>c in CRPG means Computer, not ClassicalWhat the fuck?
>>4012190cRPG is a Fallout fanboy meme, think NMA tards.CRPG is old as dirt.
cRPG has always meant computer RPG,to differentiate it from (tabletop) RPG. There’s just a particular subset of early zoomer Codex retards who attempted a knowledge check and critically failed.
>>4012190lmao zoomer
>>4012190Yeah?
>classic 90s formulas>rich, branching narrativesClankers really just gonna gaslight these zoom zooms like this huh
people used to play dnd scenarios with each other, they played "rpgs" crpg is a dnd session you experience alone on your computer
>>4012190Most CRPGs even the really good one feel like homework.
Always has, retard.
>>4012201Actual answer.
>>4012190Classified role play game
>>4012190No shitWhat the fuck would "classical" even mean in that context?
>>4012435Greek or Roman RPGs from between the 8th century BC and late 5th century AD.
>>4012190Yes, video game genres are retarded
>>4012190It was always a retarded term
>>4012435>What the fuck would "classical" even mean in that context?The misnomer was “classic RPGs” and it was used by a group of secondary zoomers to refer to things like Fallout and Baldur’s Gate, despite not being old enough to play them when they came out
>>4013069>it was used by a group of secondary zoomersNo, it was gen x and millennials, people who were fanboys on the Black Isle forums.t. was there
>>4013134Yeah, it's weird to see millennials trying to rewrite everything and shift the blame on zoomers
>>4013134most gen x:ers are old enough the remember time before mmo:s.until mmo's came out most rpg fags came from pnp scene. wow brought so many new people who had never played pnp that c was dropped.
>>4013134>No, it was gen x and millennials, people who were fanboys on the Black Isle forums.I am skeptical of this. Do you have any citations or examples of the term being used at that time? By “zoomers” I meant people who are roughly 30 now, so on the cusp between early zoomers and late millennials. It was mostly an RPG codex thing, kids trying to ride the coattails of older games (in contrast with then-contemporary games) to take some of their perceived legitimacy.Gen X and millennials calling Fallout and BG in the late 90s “classic RPGs” makes no sense because at that time they were modern and new. Gen X was old enough to remember the real “classic RPGs” from the 80s, and millennials were children with no frame of reference. The entire point of the term “classic RPGs” is that it’s juxtaposing current/new things against the older perceived classics.
>>4013165Meant to add, I was on the internet at the time of the black isle forums (though I concede I was not a regular there), and I do not ever remember the term “classic RPG” for cRPG being used at that time. It was always a 2000s thing.
>>4013165>>4013166T. A flustered millennial
>>4013165>I meant people who are roughly 30 nowYeah, it wasn't those people, and I'm talking more 2006 or so, not at release but after the Black Isle forums closed. It was older FO fanboys shifting the term with the little by little, making a differentiation from all the "RPGs" of the day which really didn't play like RPGs, think Oblivion. Zoomers would've been too young to even participate in that conversation, though I'm sure they inherited the lingo and spread it. At first it was people talking about "classic cRPGs" and then it morphed into the c standing for classic.
First one to say it’s akshually the Club of Prestigious and Refined Gentlemen gets a complementary kick in the balls
cRPG might have meant computer roleplaying game, but after kickstarter revived the old school top down rpgs the c got a new meaning: that it's classic rpg and not a modern lootershooter "rpg."
>>4013184>I'm talking more 2006 or so, not at release but after the Black Isle forums closedAre you this anon? >>4013134>No, it was gen x and millennials, people who were fanboys on the Black Isle forums.Because being a 2000s+ neologism is consistent with my experience. People who were playing RPGs in the 90s knew what cRPG meant because many had tabletop experience, and then only in a newer generation of fans who didn’t have that context did the “c” shift to “classic”, as shorthand for old game good new game bad. IMO the consolification of RPGs in the mid 2000s had a lot to do with it, as well as mainstream MMOs like WoW as another anon pointed out.
>>4013205This. It is kind of funny. CRPG has a C in it because RPG used to mean P&P RPG to most people. Now RPG refers to computer games to most people. The C in CRPG has a double meaning in that sense but both brings people to the mindset before RPG got absorbed into the "omnigenre".
>>4012190I don't believe anyone ever thought it was classical and you can't gaslight me
>>4012342you get what you put into it
>>4012190CRPG used to mean computing, but then computer rpgs got so lame the definition changed>nerd: my dad showed me this old rpg game on our personal computer>oblivion chad: shut up nerd I don't care about your cringe roleplaying games, CRPG in short>nerd dad: hey what's going o- NOOO DON'T BEAT US UP OH GOD WHY DID I MOVE IN TO THIS AREA WITH OBLIVION CHADS IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD WHO GAPE AND TORMENT US AT EVERY TURN-BASED MOMENT>nerd mom: please husbie flee while I hold off this brutish oblivion chad by sleeping with him non-reluctantly!!But that's history and now crpg just means uncslop
>>4012333they have good prose and dialgoue, but their plots and themes are straight out of a saturday morning cartoon
OP is a shill>CRPG = chinese rpg>ARPG = american rpg>JRPG = japanese rpg
>>4014260I bow to our bugman overlords.
>>4012342>homeworkYou have to be exceedingly stupid to deem addition and subtraction homework.
>>4012341this one makes sense
>>4012190its actually hard C aka 'CUNT'
For some reason I always read it as Croatian RPG.I don’t know why, maybe because the J in JRPG stands for Japanese.For a while I assumed that there was a lively RPG scene in the balkans that kept pumping out amazing games.
>>4012190Yeah. Computer RPGs and console RPGs used to be the terminology split, WRPGs and JRPGs came later in the 2000s.
>>4016122This is an impressively wrong post, you didn’t even accidentally get any of it right.
>>4016123I'm sorry if you weren't alive back then, but it's correct. Not to say people didn't differentiate between Japanese and Western, but you weren't likely to see "JRPG" and "WRPG" used until later.
>There are few people who love a good console RPG more than I. Games like Final Fantasy, Grandia, and Skies of Arcadia set a standard of majesty and wonder and immersion that American game designers are challenged to match. And yet, as I play the latest masterpiece to come out of Japan I sometimes can't help the feeling that, somehow, I've seen it all before... WARNING! There are spoilers in here for many popular CRPGs. I mean, duh.https://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html
>>4013143>>4013139I’m a millennial and I remember the time before MMOs. Hell, I remember the time when /v/ used to have jrpg vs crpg arguments.
>>4016135>I'm sorry if you weren't alive back then, but it's correct.1. I am likely older than you.2. The “computer” in “computer RPG” was distinguishing cRPGs from tabletop RPGs (then just called RPGs) and has nothing to do with console games.3. The term “JRPG”‘ did not originate in the 2000s. It was in common usage through the 90s. Here’s a Usenet post from 1992:https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.video/c/jLez509cM6I/m/VYXXY9dPWrwJ
>>4016149>1. I am likely older than you.Congrats unc, closer to the grave.>2. The “computer” in “computer RPG” was distinguishing cRPGs from tabletop RPGs (then just called RPGs) and has nothing to do with console games.Yes, CRPG was computer RPG, never argued that. But people divided RPGS into console and PC RPGs. You can see an example here >>4016136 of someone talking about "console RPGs." While he actually does use CRPG for console RPG there, my point isn't that CRPG = console RPG, just that console RPG vs. PC RPG was a common way of talking about RPGs back then. And that JRPG vs. WRPG wasn't as commonly used.>3. The term “JRPG”‘ did not originate in the 2000s. It was in common usage through the 90s.It was not. I said "you weren't likely to see" it, not that it was never used. I'm aware of your exact example, because there are few enough examples of it being used that many people have shared that same link before.
>>4016153>>>you weren’t alive then>>i”m likely older than you>congrats, uncStopped reading here
https://archive.rpgamer.com/editor/2000/q2/042600jw.html>The debate has gone on for a long time. Dedicated console players skirmish daily with equally dedicated PC users about the RPG's they play. Console players say that PC RPG's lack character depth and compelling stories, while PC players charge console RPG's with being far too linear with repetitive gameplay and little replay value. Both camps make valid points, but they often fail to take into account the different ways in which these two types of RPGs developed. In this editorial I will discuss the elements of console and PC RPG's and why they developed as they did.>Console RPG's are mainly made by Japanese companies. The "meat" of these games is provided by character development and long convoluted plots. The games are very similar to anime, having similar plots and very similar art. Anime and Japanese RPG's are intertwined a great deal. Fans of one are generally also fans of the other. The development of plot-heavy and character-heavy content in these RPG's is easy to understand when it is examined alongside Anime.>PC RPG's are very different from the Anime-related console RPG's. They emphasize simpler plots with branching story options and complex gameplay. The reason for this disparity is easy to see when you look at the PC RPG's roots. PC RPG's developed mainly from two sources: computer strategy games, and pen and paper RPG's. One of the oldest genre of computer games is strategy games. Wargames especially have maintained the same format for many years. This gives the PC RPG its complex gameplay. The variety of encounters, the massive skill systems, and the arsenal of equipment in PC RPG's all stem from the link to strategy and war games. The emphasis on a non-linear plot that the player has control over is taken from pen and paper RPG's. Pen and paper games required the game master to have a general plot idea in mind and adapt based on player actions as the session progressed.
>>4016155Neither of us is going to prove who is older or not, nor does it actually matter for settling the disagreement. Hence the intentional inconsistency. The "you weren't alive then" was petty, yes, but it was also in response to>This is an impressively wrong post, you didn’t even accidentally get any of it right.So I was merely matching his insulting tone.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.final-fantasy/c/yAhWksscKuI/m/W2ILVhlMBNcJRelevant old posts talking about the same thing.Basically, JRPG was used to some extent in the 90s, but it was more common to frame the divide as console vs. PC RPGs. WRPG became a common term later on, you see here how the acronym is being proposed rather than treated as accepted terminology.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.final-fantasy/c/jCTxe-55KqQ/m/ZStgGB1k57MJYou can see people using jRPG and wRPG here and in other places though, so neither term was totally unused. I'll concede that "JRPG" at least was used commonly enough in the 90s in some places online. My broader point is just that PC/computer RPGs versus console RPGs was still the more common framing overall.
>>4016122Another useful example from 1995https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.video.nintendo/c/aur-mYn-oVg/m/S5yU81N67PoJLots of people talking about console RPGs and computer RPGs, nobody using the terms "JRPG" or "WRPG."
So JRPG was used in the 90s more than I initially gave it credit for, but the usual paired distinction was still console RPG versus PC/computer RPG back then. JRPG versus WRPG became the standard framing later.I'd also say you were far less likely to see people using "JRPG" as a genre type that people in the West could make, as opposed to literally RPGs from Japan.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/c/akezSihsyDw/m/KgOrEXFCSLwJ>MM6 is a poor example of the PC RPG genre, since it's not much more than kill all the monsters rpg with a thin plot over it (just like the previous MMs). I still bought and played it, because it is an excellent example of that genre, and I had some hopes (which failed to realize) that the plot in MM6 would be better than previously, and that the market was fairly starved of RPGs anyway.>Personally, I like both genres. My interest in PC RPGs came from Wizardry 1&2, Bard's Tale 1, and Ultima 1-3 on my Apple II, as an outgrowth of P&P RPGs. My interest in console RPGs was solely an outgrowth of my interest in Anime when I was in college... (didn't own a console until after college).>This is the reason why I think some people think the stories of JRPGs are better. Look at fantasy novels: Almost all new fantasy novel plots can be boiled down to a rip-off of Tolkien: ie band of heroes go on quest to defeat the ancient evil. So why read new fantasy books? To read the same basic plot with a different setting and different characters. Extending to RPGs, most WPCRPGs only have control over the setting and NPCs. JRPGs have control over both setting AND characters, and thus can do more with the plot.See here how he uses the awkward "WPCRPGs" instead of "WRPGs"Also, the OP is>PC vs. console RPG survey>Jun 3, 1998, 12:00:00AM>It seems like there are very few people who like both console (Final Fantasy) and PC RPGs. The usual argument by PC gamers is that console RPGs are too "childish" or too linear. I on the other hand find that the Japanese RPGs have better plots and dialogue than any PC RPG I've ever played. Who here who likes the style of a MM6 and also likes the style of the Final Fantasy series?
>>4016149Even the link here supports my point. The original post contrasts "computer RPGs" with "Japanese RPGs." Then the reply only starts using JRPG and WRPG after first spelling out "Japanese RPGs" and "Western RPGs." It proves the acronyms existed, which I concede, but not that JRPG/WRPG was already the standard paired framing.
And yes, computer RPG was also separately used as a term to distinguish games from pen and paper RPGs. Between that, and computer RPG/console RPGs sharing the acronym CRPG, there are a lot of good reasons people later moved to different terminology.
>>4016122>WRPGs and JRPGs came later in the 2000s.I guess the confusion started here. I intended this to be about the pairing "WRPGs and JRPGs," dividing RPGs with those two terms. I didn't intend to make it sound like the acronym JRPG was never used.
