I'm new to this genre, what RPG has the best story in the genre in your opinion and why?
>>4020334Saber has a big futa cock and emiya is her "sheathe" LOL!
>>4020340>sheathVagina.
>no serious repliesWhat a useless fucking board.
>>4020748that's gratitude for ya
>>4020334not FSN.i should play the Prisma Illya game for NDS.
>>4020748blame zoomers. everything is parody or satire; nothing is honest or genuine. nothing can be legitimately good, only ironically so-bad-it's-good.
>>4020334I gotchu senpai!XenogearsMorrowindPlanescape: TormentFinal Fantasy 7
>>4020748JRPGs don't deserve serious discussion.What is there to discuss, anyway? The same "4 niggas in a row" battle system each use? The same character levelling economy based on grinding? The same handful of archetypes used in every story? It's just the waifus left, and you have /a/ and /v/ for that.
>>4020334I can say with full confidence that Fate/stay night is garbage.
>>4020340close enough to the original pitch
>>4020334Dragon Age Origins and Final Fantasy 10
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>>4021138Based wholesome anon of the day, showing kindness to the newfriends.
>>4020334what game?
>>4021153it's a VN; Fate/Stay Night
>>4020748OP started his thread with an image from some anime semi-porn "game" that isn't even close to an RPG, of course it's going to immediately get derailed.
>>4020748I expected better from /vrpg/ too in the past but if you've browsed even RPGCodex serious threads about JRPGs are going to be derailed by ironic weebs who think that everything is a joke.
>>4020334Stranger of Paradise.
>>4021138 >>4021142ok, chatbots
RPG storylines are worthless.RPGs as a genre are about the player becoming so immersed into their character that they embrace whatever story is in the game. It was far more valuable to me getting so invested into my baulders gate bhaalspawn Character that I had to actually stand up and walk back and forth to weigh my options.Far more than some storyline that's only worth a wiki binge
>>4021698Good for you, Anon. Not what was asked for, and thus, completely irrelevant to the thread.
>>4021706I answered he question the only proper wayThe storyline is worthless, the games ability to make you invested in your own avatar is the important bit.Go read a book if you just want a story, fantasy books are massive at the moment.
>>4020334>what RPG has the best storyGeneforge 1 & Geneforge 2
>>4021698>>4021709You're looking for an RP session, not a video gameVideo games have systems that you have to use, not something you want full control in>The storyline is worthless, the games ability to make you invested in your own avatar is the important bit.Also that's not the game's storyline, you're just making your own fanfic>Go read a bookOP is asking for video game story, not a book. Video games have a more capable storytelling potential than books.>inb4 books let you exercise your imagination moreThat's why you should go write your own book. The one you think is superior than all those games you think whose stories are worthless.
>>4021720It's an RPG, the entire point is immersion and being invested enough in the story via your character eyes.It's the whole strength of the genre and video games itself.The story is just the thing that your character follows.Sorry you missed the point, and yeah if all you care about is a story.Go read a book any generic 4/5 will clear any """"masterpiece """" video game story easily in details and character depth.
>>4021721>It's an RPG, the entire point is immersion and being invested enough in the story via your character eyes.Then just say that you don't agree with the label "JRPGs". >It's the whole strength of the genre and video games itself.Wrong. Someone else finds the story of a game is enjoyable then you are still going to say their opinion is worthless because you think stories have to be told in a certain way for it to have any "worth".You think that RPGs should always be a larp session because the term originated from DnD.>Go read a book any generic 4/5 will clear any """"masterpiece """" video game story easily in details and character depth.Not really. Books don't have ludonarrative harmony
>>4021724This is by far the dumbest reply I have received all year.
>>4021725Likewise
>>4020748could've tried posting an actual rpg you fucking retard
MorrowindVtM:RFF10
>>4021698>>4021709>>4021721Agreed. Every story enthusiast needs to swallow the /lit/ truth and create their own "stories" within RPGs through gameplay. Satisfy your cravings for "good stories" through books.
>>4021810Peak midwit
>>4021817>The ones who actually read books instead of chasing mediocre stories by failed "authors" are the midwits.>The ones who are capable of turning any game into an immersive experience through the power of imagination are midwits.Nah, we're fine.
>>4021753I sorta liked Redemption, but three halves of the story is just world of darkness metaplot infodump/wank, and the love story is not enough to make up for the vampire theater melodrama.
Persona 2 and Phantasy star IV>>4021010Are you blaming zoomers for an internet culture that that's actually older than the majority of those zoomers?
>>4021810Pretty weak for 4chan, looks more like a reddit text
>>4021819Yes, criticizing the artistic value of any narrative game a priori without engaging with its actual merits, treating books as an abstract, objectively superior category, again, without providing any criteria or analysis, relying purely on status, and finally, trying to look sophisticated by magnifying toys (Pokémon) that act as a mirror. Yes, I’d say that is the exact definition of a midwit attitude. What’s the point of putting effort into writing something when the consumer can just project whatever they want onto it? Is it fiction, or a Rorschach test?
>>4021825We are highly confident this text is entirely human.
>>4021827If you make a mistake you are ESL, if you don't make any and articulate with precision it's AI. But entering into the merits instead of changing the topic? It is as if the /lit/fags were allergic to honesty
>>4021824Two options are presented to you:>4chan>RedditYou can only pick one.
>>4020334Disgaea
>>4021825No story in a 'video game/RPG' can compete with a decent book, let alone a good one. >I couldn't care less if you don't read, Mr John Video Games/RPG. Keep consuming stories written by authors who are bound to be limited in their creativity and forced to deliver the same bland narratives. The 'midwit' is you.
>>4021893Now that's what I call a solid argument! Thanks for enlightening a humble plebeian like myself.
>>4021893>a decent bookPost three.
>>4021709>I answered he question the only proper wayNo, you answered the question like a tranny, with grandiose ideas of your own opinions. Either that or as a troll. Distinction without a difference, though. They both amount to the same thing: Your opinion is worthless to anyone with two braincells to cause friction.
>>4021893Ludonarrative harmony.Where is this in books? Tell me.>inb4 "books don't need it", proving dishonesty
uhhh so i personally loved the psx era of FF and i think most of them belong on a best stories list but FFX and IX as games stand out to me (i never touched 7 out of all the FF games because i dont know)my friends loved wild arms, legend of dragoon, suidoken IIlots of people like FF tactics and it seems like one of the most political FF outside of 12. chrono trigger, Xenogears, vagrant story and valkerie profile were always talked about in my era of gamingi liked parasyte eve and its made a comebackpeople mention planet torment a lot when giving suggestions post disco Elysium
>>4022205Suikodens yes, FFs no.and PE's plot was game original. nothing to do with the book or the movie plot.
>>4021893P:ST is better than most books ever made though
>>4022198desu you're just an aphantasia npc
>>4022205these are 'decen't but still cringe as fuck. this is basically the *best* games have to offer. honestly, it's pathetic. i used to be a storyfag, too.
>>4022356Define cringe, and tell me what books aren't cringe according to you
>>4022360There's a lot to complain about. You can start with arguing that the likes of JRPGs are just a string of cutscenes in between random nonsensical battles that have nothing to do with the plot. Your 'potential' as an interactive platform? Unrealized. Your game? A movie in disguise. It's laughable. A lot of those are my favorite games but I'm not going to praise the medium they're on as a superior platform for story delivery. That would be objectively false. The likes of Planescape and Disco, on the other hand, suggest a degree of interactivity that's limited. It is "cringe" when something that's supposed to function doesn't simply because the option wasn't programmed in. Not to say you can't enjoy them for what they are but it feels very disheartening to come up with ideas that can't be pursued. The world becomes shallow and 'gamey' when the illusion becomes apparent.Also, it is *always* going to be cringe when you encounter the likes of technical limitations like invisible walls and obstacles you can't climb over. The limitations of the medium are self-evident.
>>4022371Can you tell me in which movie you have control over the pacing? Where you can take your time reading the dialogue? Or in which movie you can explore a genuinely existing, dimensional world, rather than a simple background? (No, movie sets are not this, because it's only what the director chooses to show you, effectively a backdrop, not a livable world). You can talk to the inhabitants, inspect the buildings. Movies cannot replicate this kind of environmental storytelling. Gameplay consists of this too, not just combat, and even there, a character using specific moves, specific attacks, or animations can convey something that isn't said in words. Example: even before the game tells you "they are connected to you" you'll already feel it if that character shares the same attack pattern as someone else.>It is "cringe" when something that's supposed to function doesn't simply because the option wasn't programmed in.I don't understand your point, does an RPG necessarily have to have an open ended story where you can change the course of events through dialogue? If a JRPG doesn't set that as a goal, why should I consider it something it "fails" at doing, when it never aimed to do so in the first place?Anyway, maybe unrelated, but just to say: this whole realism thing makes little sense. Is it realistic for a character in a book to launch into an extremely long monologue while, plot wise, they're sitting in a tavern? Nobody in real life would ever do something like that
>>4022353>desu you're just an aphantasia npcSee you cannot provide any honest arguments.Who cares about your opinion since you cannot do anything to convince the other people about it.>aphantasiaMore like you thinking everything is worthless since you cannot imagine you having any value in it because of your simple-minded brain.
>>4020334Stranger of paradise
>>4021819>>4021893All books are shit. There are no cute girls in them and all the "good stories" are filled with cuck shit, cheap telenovela drama and basic high school philosophy.You don't have 130 IQ just because your high school philosophy teacher raped you in a "nuanced, deconstructive, show-don't-tell" way and forced you to read books. You're just a 90 IQ midwit who would rather kill himself than have fun, who would rather jump off a bridge than lose the performative status from all the boring books you read just to farm an intellectual image.You coming into a thread just to perform "b-books are le better" out of nowhere just shows how pathetic your life is. You've realized how much time you wasted on boring shit and are now self-inducing Stockholm syndrome to cope that it was all worth it.
>>4023247uh oh dunning kruger oh no no no no
>>4023249You forgot your argument.
>>4021698>>4021709just go play the sims bro. you can create the woman you want to be and imagine everything you want for her life without "hack writers" choosing anything for you.games for men are not made for you.
>>4023247kek this is bait but weebies really are like this.>>4020748Get fucked
>>4023293It's not bait tho
>>4023247truth nuke
>>4023267stop being illiterate, anon.
>>4023467stop being so media-illiterate, literate
>>4023791love you
>>4021817>>4021824the fact that emergent gameplay makes you seethe instead of considering that anon might have a point is really endemic as to why the writing in RPGs is so bad now. You're just theatre-kids.
>>4023862Maybe he has a point, but not on fucking Pokemon/Mario Kart, that's for sure
>>4023868You ve missed the point again. Im starting to think that its not him who's the midwit but you.
>>4023293>weebiesYou're as new as that newfag is.
>>4023887The midwit attitude is pretending that the entire medium has to work in just one way. Gameplay can be secondary in some titles, and that's totally fine. It’s a hybrid medium, developers can do whatever they want, and claiming there's a "right" way only diminishes what the medium can be
>>4023293grim
>>4022382The JRPG genre emulates movies. Of course it fails as an RPG narratively while the table top simulators can never quite reach the degree of freedom they wish they had. When someone says that Pokemen by vritue of being light in story is a better roleplaying device they mean that the choices that determine your party members in your playthrough are qualitively superior to following the dialogue-heavy cutscene-ridden plot of Underage Panty Quest XVII.
The "greatest stories" in games are the ones you experience through your own gameplay. They're memorable moments and unique to you. For everything else there's books, that's why people recommend them.
>>4022226that's Desu Sex 1. and KODP.
>>4020334>best plotchrono trigger>best themestactics ogre (psx)>best world buildingfallout
>>4023293weebs and foreveralone incels, and the overlap between them that produces troons What a joyless existence they have, oof.>>4020334If we're cheating it's anything RPG adjacent based on Lord of the Rings because that's a series of books that changed the world.If we're playing it straight it's probably Chrono Trigger or Bloodlines.>>4021340Honestly not bad in the sea of nearly illiterate modernized entries.
>>4022356its more about vibes i thinkhonestly feels like kingdom might be one of the better in retrospect>>4022402what is this?>>4022226what is this?
>>4021822i alwasy wanted to play shin megami are any of them good?
>>4027232They're solid enough Dungeon Crawlers, if that's your thing.>>>4022402 >what is this?Final Fantasy spin-off made by Team Ninja. Supposed to be FF's Soulslike. It's hilariously edgy.
>>4020334Dragon Age Veilguard
>>4027705holy based
>>4027678>Final Fantasy spin-off made by Team Ninja. Supposed to be FF's Soulslike. It's hilariously edgy.SoP is stupidly camp and doesn't care.Unlike Forspoken which is supposed to be camp but due to the marketers shoving down "WE GOT THE LEGACY OF KAIN WRITER" down our throats, people were expecting god tier writing and got Borderlands
>>4029112Honestly? I've barely played it. I remember back when it launched, people were talking about how cheesy and over-the-top it was... only for the developers to be confused, because they meant that shit with 100% sincerity. I've made it to Pravoka and it's... okay. I'm hoping it gets better if I ever put more time into it.
>>4023868>Pokemon/Mario KartPokerman Mystery Dung's plots were kino.
>>4020748go to RPGcodex and RPGhq.
>>4030869lmao
>>4030869go back there
>>4023247This is true of Dostoevsky.
>>4021010The last time teenagers tried to be genuine they got mocked endlessly and made fun of, kill yourself faggot millennials
