Will Gaster appear in Deltarune?
4 threads at the same time is a little egregious, don't you think?
>>4023686Stop making threads faggot. We already have one that will archive in months
check the catalog retard
>>4023693>only 4there's easily over 10 across the whole site
I hope notHe shouldnt appear until the third game in the series
There is something wrong with my OS. Sometimes, shortcut icons get replaced with other random icons. But today, it also used an image from my Deltarune folder, and some system app window.
>>4023963this is a known issue with win10/11nothing to be concerned aboutno the FRIEND is not in your computer, Spamton G. Spamton
>>4023963install DEVICE_PENGUIN
>>4023963Gaster is in your computer anon, i'm afraid there's no way to get rid of him
>The Deltarune of Despair and Nightmares 2: Happytown
>>4024706
CHADlyGODS own this board btw
I wanted to theorize about deltarune things and about what the heck means side B, but this thread is kinda dead ngl.
>>4025104the theory thread is over at >>4012558
>>4025104This thread is only for Berdlyposting. Go to the other threads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydNVZH4crHw
>>4023686Yes, (YOU) will meet Weird Deird GasterOn SideB
>>4024706>Despairhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0sDBFqRRD0>Every day is peaceful. Every day is joyful. Happy days from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep.>Wishing only for those unchanging, unending happy days, days of boredom repeating forever and ever.>No abnormalities as far as the eyes can see. Life without the tiniest speck of abnormality...>If the world were like that, I'd consider *that* pretty damn abnormal.
Say it.
Why did Toby add this dess shit and conspiracy shit into the gameI wanted the Legend of Delta Rune, not this, and I don't think dess or the shelter have anything to do with the prophecy.The Knight being around decades before the heroes is the last straw, the writers essentially took the original story of the Legend of Delta Rune and destroyed it.Worse, they expect me to like that. Don't do that, man. The original Legend Cutscene is literally what got me into the game, and now I can't enjoy it anymore
And the worst part is that Undertale played its story straight. On the neutral route it stuck to its original premise, of a human child falling into a realm of monsters where you try to get out before the monsters take your soul and invade the surface. What Toby Fox did to the sequel was done entirely out of spite for those who want a traditional story.
>>4026345this was always the plan anon, but I guess that's why the original plan was to release the entire game in one go instead of dripfeed it like thisI imagine the regular route will end badly but won't touch the meta stuff too deeply, and the other routes will be to try to unfuck the ending by messing with the game in increasingly meta ways
>>4026363I feel like the game went full meta already with stuff like flowery cheating everything and not even being the Knight's servant and stuff
The way I see it, if it isn't part of the prophecy it shouldn't be part of the main normal route>shelter code shit
>>4026338I love porn
>>4026345Ch 2 ends up being the true first chapter in terms of the kind of game deltarune is when you compare it to the later chapters developed more cohesively together. But like games like these usually aren't going to go spookzone until the last chapter anyways. Earthbound before you go to the final part with gygias didn't get that tonally nightmarish. Omori didn't really either even if Humphrey is pretty fucked up. Mother 3 (the game DR had taken considerable influence from) didn't really have it either as it was going for tragedy and sadness instead of fear or spooky zone.Fuck I don't even know if Omega Flowey qualifies despite the obvious gygias inspirations as it tonally is a frantic schizoboss rather than feeling like you're dealing with demonic, primal evil like with gygias. The titans kinda are closer to gygias than omega flowey in that regard.Also what's the deal with enchidna? Potential late game miniboss?
>>4026478>Fuck I don't even know if Omega Flowey qualifies despite the obvious gygias inspirations as it tonally is a frantic schizoboss rather than feeling like you're dealing with demonic, primal evil like with gygias.I know one blind playthrough of UT where the guy was (1) actually scared of Omega Flower and its game-breaking abilities and (2) actually thought that the only way to "defeat" it was to delete the fucking game
>>4026651I mean he is not wrong, that would get rid of it.
>>4026720>that would get rid of itisn't Flowey also in control of "true save" aka game config file that's in system documents?
If Ralsei was supposed to use fire magic, why did the game bother saying it was the prophecy and that it would be dictated exactly by the prophecy.
>>4026478Thanks doc
>>4026478>enchidnaWhat the fuck is that? just today i'm seeing a bunch of people mention that name but i have no idea what it means
>>4026836Echidna, also called weather doll (W. D) is the test enemy in the game, Gaster's team account is also called Weather Doll with the user name being G.
>>4026836Echidna, mother of all monsters, half-woman half-snake
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>>4026916Really?
>>4026929yeah they banned everyone in a thread that hit bump limit for a couple days
>>4026935How insane.
>>4026842>Echidna, also called weather doll (W. D) is the test enemy in the gamei think echidna is the name for one chapter and weather doll for another
>>4026935I checked and yeah, I got banned, too.
>>4026935Holy shitI can't believe the crazy bastards went through with it.No wonder the thread lasted so long
>>4026345Anon, that was always the plan. I also must admit that Noelle was foreshadowed since CH1, as well, and I completely missed it.>Constantly notices how Kris's behaviour is different from the usual (Kris is changing).>Is already aware of the routine/programmed nature of her reality:- Did you lose your pencil AGAIN?- Do you need help with your homework AGAIN?>And so on.
>>4026345>I wanted the Legend of Delta Rune? the meta narrative is the most important part about undertale and deltarune, why the fuck did you think you were gonna get a generic rpg
>>4026338I FUCKING HATE TV HOLY SHIT IT MAKES MY EYES STRAIN ANYTIME I LOOK AT A STUPID TUBE, HOLY SHIT TENNA I AM GLAD YOU GOT KILLED
What I LOVE about how the normies and yurifags reacted to the Weird Route, especially Chapter 5, is that they did exactly the thing Noelle accuses the world she's living in of - denying her agency and trying to put her back on the "Noelle" archetype:>No, OF COURSE she doesn't mean the things she says, she's BRAINWASHED and in psychosis.>No, OF COURSE she doesn't have actual feelings for Kris, that's how ABUSE that the player puts her through works.>No, silly, OF COURSE she doesn't ACTUALLY want to leave town, she LOVES Susie.>And don't you FUCKING DARE to think that what she reveals on the Weird Route also applies to Noelle on the Normal Route. Noelle would NEVER think those things on her own, she's HAPPY AND IN LESBIAN LOVE.>Thinking anything else is LGBTQ ERASURE and LITERAL GENOCIDE.
>>4027189>True/Happy ending>The first and only time we see Kris smiling is him holding hands with NoelleImagine the biblical level of seethe
>>>/vip/141101any passchads willing to move to /vip/? Kek
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>>4027189>YurifagsGoomy loved the Weird Route though.
>>4027203AIIIIIEEEEEE!!!! CHOTTO-MATTE TENNA-SAMA, YAMATE KUDASAIIIII
>>4027189The masses are low IQ pieces of shitThats why any true artist will ignore them eventually
>>4027189it is pretty funny to see, because there's been hints of this inner noelle throughout the story so it's not even something you can pretend is retconned in either - she's BEEN there the whole time and they've been purposefully ignorant to iti do think it's rather telling between this and how many of them only NOW realized kris isn't super supportive of suselle just how many of them aren't properly reading the story at all, and that their opinions are as two-dimensional as the ship they support
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>>4027210Link?
>>4027239there's something deeply sad that even if noelle was sure that proceeding would work, she was still perfectly fine with the alternative if it didn'twhich is why when nothing changed it was honestly worse than dying, and i swear to FUCK toby better not drop the ball with it (he will)
>>4027244There's zero fucking way, I think Noelle would honestly rather cut her throat open right then and there instead of dealing susie's escapism bullshit>Hey Noelle, look at the le hecking darkworld and darkners, isn't lancer funny!? Play pretend heroes with me!To someone who has realised the true nature of her reality, its like the ultimate insult.
>>4027231>>4027235hm i like this quite a lo->>4027239>very good stuff tho
>>4027249>>4027244toby WILL drop the ball. he has lost the plotI have 0 expectations anymore. I just want to know how the weird route ends so I can move on
>>4027244>which is why when nothing changed it was honestly worse than dyingSuselle is literally rape. Noelle doesn't want this relationship.
>>4027210Goomy is an exception. Besides, she ships FemKris/Noelle anyway.>>4027241Like, 75% of her Kriselle art is Weird Route. She also seems to have taken to Ch5 Evil Noelle like a duck to water.
>>4027253They "die" in order to truly start living and find freedom together. They aren't actually dead
>>4027259>she ships FemKris/Noelle anywayNo? She draws Kris as a straight-up boy.
>>4027267She sees Kris as a girl anon. She uses they/them but she treats Kris as if they're a girl.
>>4027272Kris looks like a boy here >>4027235
>>4027256Her saying "Nothing changed" doesn't mean nothing changed. Something massive changed.In normal route she's happy with Susie (Even if not romantically so, she's delighted to be friends with Susie and to warm up to her), but in abortion route, she's despondent, given up, because she HAS changed, she's no longer happy in her own "existence", she's effectively insane, because she almost killed herself on a bet that she could "Leave" her reality to somewhere more real than "Real", her ego died in the lake and her corporeal form was retrieved alive. Normal Route, she's happy with where she is and the development. Weird Route, she's reaching a point of mania where she risks her life on an utterly insane and manic proposition: "This world isn't real, there's a more real reality and we can break out of her and end up there" and tries to drown herself and her friend who she (rightfully) assumes is being controlled and possessed by a higher power outside of the reality she lives in, and feels like she can use that to "cross the barrier".
>>4027256I assume Noelle says "nothing changed" is because it's back to the normal route and is going to end similarly, although she's going to act differentThe lake skip is where something changes
>>4027277I want to believed aborted weird route will amount to something in chapter 6 but I just can't see toby doing anything with it, I have no expectations anymore. I don't want to get my hopes up just for them to be dashed again
>>4027277>abortion routeKek
>>4027278That would imply Suselle will be unimportant enough to the story that Noelle can be written into not caring as much about Susie without it causing any issues to the normal route, and I just don't expect that to be the case
>>4027267Anon, she draws him in dress often, and straight up has him talking about periods.
>>4027276Tomboy
>>4027278The 'true' Noelle doesn't like Susie. Her room is full of things related to Kris. She is constantly longing for Kris. Just look at this difference. Noelle started acting like actual Noelle and stopped being mindlessly obsessed with Susie only in the WR. Why? Because the WR began to subvert the prophecy as early as Chapter 2, and Noelle is already waking up and starting to think for herself and make her OWN decisions. The prophecy can influence people.
>>4027284>>4027267>>4027272>>4027276She draws Kris both as androgynous, a tomboy, but also as obviously male. In several pieces he outright has wide shoulders.
>>4027231>>4027235>>4027239this artist keeps me coming around to Kriselle like a crack addict, goddamn
>>4027281I also hope that the abortion route results in Noelle losing her shit upon seeing the Dark World is "Real">Father is dying of Terminal Plot Disease>She ends up in a magical realm where she and others have healing magic>She wishes so badly it were "real" so she could heal her father, and have more strength to maybe find Dess>She keeps being told it's all a dream and that she shouldn't cling on to it no matter how badly she wishes she could just make this real>She was given the ultimate power to be pushed far beyond her wildest dreams and is commanded to use horrible magic she couldn't fathom on her own>She wakes up to see she put her friend in a coma>The next day she's trying to deny it as just a dream as Susie put it>Kris shows up and some otherworldly power speaks to her through her best friend, and reads her mind>Stabs her with a thorn to show it's NOT a dream, it's very real>Freaks out and goes through mania because the power, the magic, the other realities, the ability to go far beyond, a higher and lower power, it's all real, it's all interested in her, she has been a vessel, a weapon, of this awe and terror inspiring being>She bets her very life on it, and chooses to push to either drown or break free and go "Higher" than reality to be able to command and reconstruct her broken reality, missing Dess, dying father, overbearing mother, the suffocatingly small town>Kris gets cold feet and drags her out>Emotional death, ego death, completely despondent and broken, tried to kill herself and her best friend in a fit of mania over a "dream" and she's back to her reality, her father's likely on his deathbed now>After a few hours Susie comes back and goes "Lol just kidding it wasn't a dream come on let's go to very real dark world land where you have magic to heal people like your father, and your wicked insane power to cast snowgrave was granted to you by an otherworldly powerNoelle should FREAK and sprint to her father and open a dark world.
>>4027189You're making a mistake of taking the opposite extreme stance against known facts. At the lake Noelle proceeds to shittalk the entire town, her own parents and also the exact same "old Kris" that she had went maximum deredere for just a day ago. The red dot is definitely the culprit for this drastic change, though it's unknown what is its actual nature (removing mental limitations previously placed upon her? forcing metaknowledge into her mind? bringing out a repressed psycho personality? actual brainwashing?).Another angle is that freedom is not necessarily a good thing. Obviously you don't want psychos and criminals running free. From a more collectivist standpoint, you don't want people to just do whatever they want without benefitting the society as a whole. This might in fact end up being the message here, depending on what Toby wants to write: the best possible ending for the vast majority of characters might require Noelle (and possibly others like Susie) to give up her dreams of freedom and accept an unsatisfying but necessary life of Noelle doing Noelle things.Also to the kriscucks replying to you, reminder that she became obsessed with You!Kris (the new one), not Kris alone (the old one) - see the shittalk.
>>4027277>>4027281You're wrong about the Aborted Weird Route.There's a reason it has its own flag. The nanosecond Susie shows her a Dark World she will immediately realize all of it was real, she and Kris have changed, and there is hope.Then she'll learn Susie is delusional fabulist and the biggest NPC of them all. What she does next essentially boils down to:>Go on a rampage and destroy Castle Town.>Leave (if Susie lets her) and immediately seek out Kris.Either way I think the end result will be Susie and Noelle duking it out.
I wonder if there’s any theory to be made regarding all the stuff you skip if you just go back to sleep each chapter to head straight it to the Dark World (or in Chapter 3’s case you go back to the couch and you’re warped to the start of the 1st board), because if you can outright skip those things then I assume they’re not very important to the plot as a whole
>>4027301>TL;DR - Noelle is brainwashed.Fuck off yurifag.
>>4027299>>Kris gets cold feet and drags her outThis one is wrong. It's YOU who gets cold feet.
>>4027283>That would imply Suselle will be unimportant enough to the story that Noelle can be written into not caring as much about Susie without it causing any issues to the normal routeWell, there's the hammer game at the festival. Bell rang with Noelle and Kris, but not Noelle and Susie, unless it's forced>>4027293So the prophecy affects BOTH Susie and Noelle? what other characters are getting affected?Someone gotta make an edit of pic related with Noelle
>>4027301I thought Noelle’s deal was that her perception of Kris operates on a reverse bell curve>Likes “old” Kris who was much more personable>Doesn’t care for the current Kris who has to do “Kris things”>Likes “changed” Kris for showing her that she can be infinitely more than she is now
>>4027307Yeah I meant from her point of view if she's trying to cope that "Kris is Kris"You get cold feet, Kris never wanted it and was internally screaming the whole time. Woke up crying while we dragged his body to the lake to drown (Because we bought it for 25 bucks and we get to see all the endings for that 25 bucks)
>>4027310And you're correct. When she refers to "old Kris" in CH4 it means the Kris before THE VAGUE INCIDENT, the one that cared for her and wanted to look out for her.And just having him for ONE EVENING is enough that the next day she's throwing herself at him.
>>4027312>Kris never wanted it and was internally screaming the whole time.Also wrong, ERAM lampshades that Kris enjoys the WR. After all, he's back with Noelle again and no longer has to follow a prophecy he clearly hates.
>>4027302I think Noelle won't crash out immediately, bur realizing she put Berdly into a coma won't be good for her. That and unless she immediately gets the down low on the prophecy and Susie's roll in it Susie will still seem like someone acting outside of the norm of hometown, even if yes we the player know Susie is indulging in the prophecy.Though I agree on a Noelle Vs. Susie fight, it seems like something like that could happen. In my eyes most of the chapter between the aborted and normal route will play out the same.>Noelle in castle town>Holiday Dark World (Mansion or hospital)But Noelle's change in character will cause her to either assist or oppose the party at the end. With her defeat in the Aborted route being her giving into despair, believing she can't change.It'll lead back into the main route but the changes will all be negative to Noelle's mental state.
>>4027239Goomy is based as usual.
>>4027315>Beats the shit out of the soul for putting the thorn ring on Noelle>In bed crying all day with his pillow full of tears while the soul has to beat him out of bed and drag his despondent body down the stairs>Doesn't even go to the festival with Noelle>Asgore, Toriel, and many others say he looks really depressed and despondent>If you try to pray for Noelle, Kris starts to kick the prayer candles to destroy them instead of letting you do anything more with NoelleI think ERAM might have been talking to the player, not Kris. Kris seems pretty fucking upset about it in almost every instance Kris has a say.
>>4027315I feel like ERAM is more like victim blaming Kris, kinda like saying a rape victim she enjoyed being raped deep down.
>>4027316>But Noelle's change in character will cause her to either assist or oppose the party at the end. With her defeat in the Aborted route being her giving into despair, believing she can't change.>It'll lead back into the main route but the changes will all be negative to Noelle's mental state.If you think she'll be in a better state on the Normal Route than on the Aborted Route, I completely disagree.On the Normal Route she's completely unprepared for what's coming. Remember that Susie wants to throw her into actual combat, as well. So she'll essentially do a speedrun of """easing her into""" fighting without YOU to actually guide her through the process, which is bound to end badly.>>4027325I would agree if not for the fact that Kris is acting up against the SOUL no matter the route. It's only that on the WR he clearly thinks he's losing.
>>4027325>In bed crying all day with his pillow full of tearsAlso, could you keep your headcanon to a minimum? He's simply SLEEPING THROUGH the festival, something you can also do on the Normal Route, because he hopes to stay away from Noelle that way.
people gloss over that ERAM said “part” of Kris, shit’s supposed to be complex and nuanced and complicated and whatnot
>>4027331That's why I think ERAM was victim blaming. They're trying everything to make Kris mad.
>>4027325NTA but I'm pretty sure Kris enjoyed the weird route UNTIL Berdley's encounter, that's where shit hit the fan since an actual person got hurt, not some inanimate object (or digital stuff for chapter 2's case)The reason why Kris beat the shit out of you in chapter 4 WR is because all his efforts to fix the damage from Berdley's injury has been undone, and Noelle is now in a much worse situation than before
Kris is trying to protect Noelle from (You). He doesn't know what the demon that has taken possession of his soul might do to her. And the unknown is the scariest thing of all. Even if it all ends well for both of them, he doesn't know that.
>>4027328She handles it pretty well with only Kris and both kris and Susie will be there helping her out. Besides combat is like Dragon Blazers, which is is familar with. What I imagine is that Susie will introduce her to castle town, cue dojo fight stuff, battle frontier...etcThis is where all the unused Noelle dialogue comes into play. It's mentioned in Dragon Blazers the fire user leaves the party but I imagine Ralsei will just be gone for this castle town segment.Then the Dark World happens with it being ambiguous if Carol, Noelle, or the Knight opened it. Noelle is seperated from the part for most of the chapter.Then we get to where the normal and aborted routes differ, Normal Noelle wants to get back to the party while Aborted Noelle will try to keep the Dark World going to save Rudy.Rudy wants the Dark World to be sealed to save everyone else, not risk roaring, something along those lines.Then Aborted Noelle will try to make her final stand at the end, trying to fight against fate to save her dad. But you beat her, hammering in the lesson a Noelle can only be a Noelle and there's no use in resisting fate.Basically you get a depressed fatalistic Noelle who's resigned to what's going on. While in the Normal Route she'll still have some hope for freedom, even if she's accepted the death of her father.
>>4027308>Bell rang with Noelle and KrisNo it didn't, it rang with Noelle and (You)Noelle said it never worked when they were kids, but there she read your input perfectlyOh but Youelle is gross by the way ERAM said so
>>4027344Too bad for him and every kriscuck in this thread because I absolutely am taking her for myself, her wishes and wellbeing be damned.
>>4027331It’s basically like how Noelle enjoyed the rush of casting Snowgrave but broke into actual tears because even for as annoying as he was she didn’t REALLY want to put Berdly in some king of Snowgrave
>>4027244>which is why when nothing changed it was honestly worse than dyingThat was so sad to me. Her utter despair that, despite her best efforts, she's still stuck.She's not powerful enough to do anything about this. She just has to accept this is how things are
>>4027344things must've gotten properly fucked sideways if they're relying on an Undertale Genocide Route player for help. Sorry kiddo, you're going to the ten hells.
I used to have hopes and dreams...I used to believe Rudy Knight...Ya know, when chapter 5 first came out I was more certain given how he acts weird non stop during the game and gets special attention called to him during the weird route. I even had a very convoluted headcanon to explain how the first fountain wasnt his but he also became the Knight thereBut now im not so sure, I thought about it and keep running into dead ends...Now...Im a human Dess Vessel Knight believer...
>>4027349>>4027351(You) will never be able to replace all the memories that Noelle and Kris share. Noelle doesn't even know you exist. And if she finds out, we don't know how she'll react. She's already shown that she can defy (You) in Chapter 5. She might very well take Kris's side if a fight breaks out.
>>4027366this image is hot to me in a way that I don't fully grasp. tried to look up some straight stuff involving ralsei and even removing a lot of tags I still got exposed to some unpleasant images.
>>4027373NTA but if Noelle rebels she's 100% going to die against the Player.Noelle rebelling just makes her into Geno Flowey and that guy was absolutely fucked over by the Player.
>>4027377>NTA but if Noelle rebels she's 100% going to die against the PlayerThe Soul cannot do shit without a vessel.
>>4027381Good thing we're in Kris then!Hope she's ready to spam that X-slash!
>>4027366The only argument brought up during chapter 5 against Rudy being the knight is actually an explanation why the knight was late to arrive in chapter 5.
>>4027382Kris will resist with all his might if Noelle's life is directly threatened. Noelle is a pro at bugs and glitches, so maybe she'll come up with something.
>>4027387>Kris will resist with all his might if Noelle's life is directly threatenedThe same way she resisted during the lake section?
>>4027380Oops
>>4027394
>>4027373>>4027377>We try to wake up Noelle>Kris tries to lull her back to sleep by removing the ThornRingIf she ever puts two and two together and realizes that we exist and Kris has been trying to keep her down, Noelle's gonna immediately turn on Kris and take us for herself
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>>4027394>>4027396painfully teenage level angst wank. well, I guess art like this helps them vent
>>4027389>The same way she resisted during the lake section?Well, he wasn't fighting, he was just walking slowly. So yeah, I think he'll be able to put up enough of a resistance that you won't be able to fight properly.
>>4027400
>>4027394>>4027396>>4027400>>4027403you skipped number 2
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>>4027387>if Noelle's life is directly threatenedThe stupid kid may realize it and act too late or maybe even not at all depending on the situation. Gasterland's denizens may be too numerous and powerful to stop and could kill Noelle. We might somehow get our hands Twisted Sword there and trance Kris himself. We might persuade Noelle to kill herself or kill Kris or remove Kris's ability to resist us. Or we might get a drop on them with a dialogue box just like in CH4.
>>4027408>>4027407Nah I posted 1+2 as a single image since page 1 is just the cover. That's what the oops was.
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>>4027411Killing Noelle by dropping a dialogue box on her.
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>>4027418Final (done.)
>>4027422When will the Soul be the one doing the grooming
>>4027394Whew boy that's bringing back some bad memories hehe
>>4027422 (and the rest)very much a teenage angst fic, but dess and kris having this weird co-dependent relationship is kinda how i imagined that whole thing beingcan't tell if i'm just biased from what people have posting but i've been seeing a lot of oedipus complexes slipping out lately in kress works
Endings are the hardest thing to land for creators even though it should be the easiest since all tehy have to do is allow things to reach their natural conclusionBut for some reason tons of artists hate this, maybe they feel they no longer have control over their creation and in attempting to reassert themselves they fuck it all up
>>4027424Carol's been grooming the player since the beginning of the game since chapter 4's big red (you) is what we can go by
How do you like your mystery man?
>>4027438But I don't want to be the victim i want to groom Kris too...
>>4027308>Someone gotta make an edit of pic related with NoelleI did that when the game was out, but not the way you may expect it :^)
>>4026345You were brought in with the express meta purpose to create a new future in collaboration with WD Gaster, the king of lore bullshit, mate, I dunno what to tell you.
Gonerslop game
Test
>>4027559don't complain too loudly about those goners, you don't wanna find out what happens when HE hears about it
So when is the janny banning everyone who participated in the WoW thread?
>>4027566Like every failed shitpost, they'll just pretend it never happened
>>4027559WHATslop?
>>4027559goner board
Is Sans evil as of the events of Deltarune, or does he become so later?
>>4027559Got something against goners?
>Undertale/Deltarune >Omori>Jimmy & The Pulsating Mass>Look Outside>OFF>Space Funeral>Lisa the Painful>Hylics 1+2Any other ones I need to add to the lineup?
>>4027577I don't understand why people keep posting Omori along the rest of these games. Omori is not even a fantasy game or an adventure game, is just a melodrama. Seeing it alongside other adventure games like DR or Lisa is weird.
>>4027573Sans is already Evil in DR.He shows that he knows about the Soul by pretending not to know Kris in Chapter 1Even though the evidence of his Connections to Gaster and the Sjelter show that he has been in league with Kris.
>>4027578The dream segments are literal fantasy RPG adventures anon, even if the game itself barely takes advantage of its own systems.>>4027577SuitsZelleMothlightBad Bitch BlastersUndertale 2 (and UTDR fangames in general)
>>4027578They're RPGs with RPG battles ya dumbassI don't care about "themes"
>>4027578I mean Omori has those playtime worlds even if they're blatantly imagination based unlike DR where they come off as spirit realms that affect reality still despite being told they don't "exist" by Ralsei but ch 5 throws that idea apart if Ch 4 showing the titan having real world impact didn't hard enough. It's like saying microbial worlds don't exist because you can't see them without a microscope. The dark fountain doesnt make anything, it just amplifies what already was always there from what I understand.
>>4027583>The dream segmentsAre not real. Having a dream in your story doesn't turn it into fantasy otherwise 99% of fiction would be counted as fantasy.>>4027584>Omori>RPGSo you didn't play the game.
>>4027586
Calling it now, in Chapter 7 B side we are gonna enter something akin to the Amala Labyrinth
>>4027586Gonna add to the conversation or just fret about semantics like a disturbed autist? I bet I know what you're gonna do.
>>4027585I think even on the meta level fiction can break into reality constantly anyways and AIs building identity off fictional characters could go badDon't make any agentic AI think it's Gaster, okay?
>>4027583You can't recommend Bad Bitch Blasters without its previous game Demonpact: ClariceIt's free, got lots of party members, and it's more of an RPG than Deltarune has been in the last few chapters
>>4023686I think deltarune may end a bit like evangelion where that fever dream hijacks the narrativeMore optimistically, I suspect the aspects of that fever dream have been foreshadowed, we just wont realize it until it happens and once it does a lot of stuff will make sense. But still, im assuming that Some stuff will remain unexplained regardless.
damn, got banned from /v/
It's easy to see Kris as doing something evil now, but knowing why they work with the knight and the roaring conspiracy would recontextualize the whole game and im sure people would on a second playthrough would have what they do colored by that knowledge. We walk blind without the full normal route (and I dont know how i'd feel if post-1.0 DR we later get more alt. routes than the weird route, of which would be supplemental at best. WR's existence seems more essential for some reason).
>>4027577Are you asking for indie RPGs that are like UT/DR, or just indie RPGs in general? Well here's bothWadanohara and the Great Blue SeaThe Gray GardenHorrorValeOneshot (not RPG but has similar vibes and the dev is UT/DR fan)West Of LoathingTouhou Artificial Dream in Arcadia (SMT-like and by Udongein X dev)There's also The Desolate Hope, a free game by Scott Cawthon before FNAF. It has plenty of gimmicks just like Deltarune, and the art is gorgeous. It has a prequel called The Desolate Room, but it's extremely janky and the ending is very anticlimatic
>>4027621I dont think it even makes sense to make more alt routes over whatever the hell third game secretly exists.And yeah apparently there's a third one people are speculating on?
>>4027585Precisely because the Dark Worlds in DR are real, and not just product of Kris drugging himself up is because DR an UR can be counted as fantasy RPGs. So when people advertise Omori in the same vein when it has nothing in common it feels like false advertising.
did anyone get banned for posting in >>>/v/thread/744100841Or did Deltarune fucking win
>>4027626meant >>>/v/744100841
>>4027624It just occurred to me how "amplify" absolutely describes what dark fountains do and that the roaring is that amplification feedbacking apocalyptic degrees.
>>4027580Nah, he seems to be working against Kris, he explicitly protects Toriel from getting kidnapped by the Knight by convincing her to stay at home and party instead of going out to look for her son.
>>4027626this is what this fuckass janny is doing with the 0$ budget?
>>4027626>>4027628>banning every deltaposter tanked traffic so badly mods had to make a gimmick threadabysmally grim, that board really is a corpse held up by bots
>>4027440I know it's the only depiction we have of him, but, the "Gaster" we know, is post being scattered across time and space. I wonder what he looks like "Normally"
>>4027586Omori is still an RPG regarding whatever arbitrary criteria you have>>4027624Anon, you're autistic. When people compare to Omori and Deltarune, it's because both are RPGs where you go whimsical adventures with your friends and able to hang out with them in real world even if the friends in the dream world aren't real and are MC's old perception
>>4027642>whimsical adventuresJust call the drama story a drama story. There's just no point on lying like this
>>4027626Streisand effect is real.
I've got this crack theory of whereOriginal timeline heroes:>Cage: Vessel>Girl: Noelle>Prince: KrisBut damnit I just can't explain how Kris could be the prince considering the gender situation. Aqua stuff implies Kris is a girl and even without that, would Toby ever call Kris a prince?I know Kris is hiding magic, I'm certain of that.And if I was right about this, EVERYTHING would fall into place
Isn't it a bit schematic on if you have a spirit realm with impact on the 'more real' reality, if they're just in parallel or it is just showing their imaginations if they all fill the same role in the narrative?
>>4027652You're getting worked up over the detailsIt's as much of a drama story as Deltarune's, the difference is that Omori's story is a lot more personal
>>4027637Funniest part is that despite it being a gimmick thread, it didn't even reach 1000 replies.Deltarune threads did.
>>4027658crazyI kind of want to see how much further this goes
>>4027654Why do you want Kris to be the prince anyways, Azzy or Ralsei being the prince in a past timeline doesn't contradict anything we know now.I think you're just trying to shove the vessel into a theory that's already biased towards Kris/Noelle shipping. Just drop the vessel and everything is fine, besides W. D. Let's make a new future together Gaster is the one who made the vessel.Using that you can just say it was Gaster's failed attempt at replacing Kris in the prophecy.>Let's make
>>4027664Don't think it's gonna look good from here on. We might not even be able to talk about Chapter 6 when it comes out at all.
>>4027654The problem is it isn't just "The prince"It's "The prince *alone in deepest dark*"Not "Of the dark" or "Bringer of the dark" it's "alone in deepest dark" And Kris isn't alone, or from the dark.On a meta level I also think there's no way Toby is touching Kris's "Non binary" identity because he's cultivated a fandom that'd find him and rape him and kill him and rape his corpse if he did anything to promote "Trans or non binary erasure"
>>4027666Timeline 1 is Side BPunishment Cage B is the VesselVessel has to be The CageBut Kris has to witness something bad happening to Noelle meaning Noelle's the girl leaving Kris being the Prince, but how?Also I don't think Asriel can be the Prince since it breaks the golden rule of Deltarune: If someone was a major character in Undertale they cannot do much in DeltaruneUnless you were to theoretically say that Noelle's the cage (all she needs is a human soul, not necessarily human parts, and we're just riding with Noelle in the first timeline), Kris is The Girl (you could consider her a sword magician and it solves the problem of the girl not having antlers, but that's still confirming a gender), and the Prince could be, I dunno Ralsei, ERAM, someone. But all that's ridiculous
>>4027626that was a nice read.the janny himself seething like crazy was a nice touch.
>>4027626test
>>4027675>Timeline 1 is Side BSide B is one of the internal names for the Wires Route, which by definition can't be the OG timeline since it's happening in the current one.>Also I don't think Asriel can be the Prince since it breaks the golden rule of Deltarune: If someone was a major character in Undertale they cannot do much in DeltaruneYeah they aren't doing shit in the current timeline for largely meta reasons if there was a previous unseen timeline the only reason for Azzy not to be the prince is that he's not alone in the dark.For you last point, if you we're gonna include ERAM make him the prince, Kris the cage, and Noelle the vessel.The Cage's one requirement is that it has human parts, it can only be Kris or the Vessel. While Catty implies the prince has goat monster horns during chapter 4. Which kind of leaves Ralei, Asirel, or ERAM of you interpreted his sprite as having horns.And no Noelle and Ralsei having parallels doesn't make her the prince.
>>4027669Yup. And /vg/ will probably go into full "IF YOU AREN'T HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO FUCK TENNA OR HOW AWESOME IT IS THAT KRIS IS NONBINARY, FUCK OFF" mode just to further discourage real discussion of the game, unless said game discussion has to do with pronoun faggotry.
>>4027677It's so painfully obvious how most of the seething is one schizo. He types all his messages in the exact same way
>>4027684They'll never shake off Poopy Joe, will they?
>>4027672The prince of darkness thing is a very ralsei issueLancer in theory should fit more as they're very explicitly a prince of a dark world but they're not exactly deepest dark or alone in it in the ways Ralsei might be.ERAM might qualify but they're very much 'bringer of the dark' type of energy so it's hard to say. (not to mention the fan art likes depicting them as female)I fixate on the prince of darkness part since There are lots of potential swaps on the Monster/the girl etc. while having a more loose criteria than the Kris / Vessel caged heart.
>>4027683at least we still have this place.i jinxed it didn't I?
>>4027694I even wonder if Lancer was originally who is the third party member before Ralsei got modded in.
>>4027696>posting the cropped version
>>4027699>cropped>thought that crease was just the dressshoulda known, thanks for the warning
>>4027698(Sorta like how noelle was originally in the monster slot. So in theory there was a version of deltarune where you had kris/susie/lancer or kris/noelle/lancer for the fun gangs).Lancer maybe even had some mantle or such that bypassed the normal darkworld rules in the original version but in DR they don't have it.We know the darkner statue thing has loopholes as is.
>>4027681>Side B is one of the internal names for the Wires RouteI still think that just is the code indicator for "how you get to Side B", not calling the Weird Route Side B itselfThe achievements indicate we're getting a Side B for all the chaptersAnd if that's the case, surely we get the Punishment Cage B on Side B just as we got Cage A on Side A
>>4027686qrd?
>>4027708
>>4027703Either way, we see Side B, we see the Weird Route and it only vaguely resembles the Mantle game in Chapter 2, if you're going to take the Mantle game that literally.There is also the fact that from a meta, and naming perspective, a 'Side B' is the secondary, more experimental side in contrast to a 'Side A', which doesn't really fit the with Side B being the original game.Also I have no idea why doing the Weird Route, which meta textually causes you to leave the bounds of the games, would lead you to the og timeline. You're breaking the prophecy in it's entirety, treading a different path Ralsei doesn't know about, following an evil tempter in the form of ERAM, and presumably entering some type of Depths Dark World bullshit at the bottom of the Lake before you were supposed to be able to do t that.
>>4027708>>4027709iirc, he was called that because there was someone that commissioned scat art of undertale when it first was getting super popular on /v/ back during release in his efforts to get it banned from the board.Sometimes I wonder if he's that same person who comes to rpg threads he doesn't like and calls them sludge or very similar words either way that posters a gay retard.
>>4027709>>4027712Absolutely deranged
I didn't get called a tranny in that thread... i failed you deltabros...
If the /v/ jannies think Deltarune is such a massive problem it needs ban on sight, why don't they make a thread saying "All Deltarune discussion and threads need to go to >>>/vrpg/ or >>>/vg/ to not clog up the board"?Then people would stop making new Delatrune threads and they'd get what they want, Deltarune off /v/ and Deltarune fans would go to the appropriate board, like here.Why don't they mod the /vg/ threads and let extremely mentally ill schizos sabotage and destroy threads when people actually try to discuss the game and not just erp or talk gossip about users?
>>4027722I don't want any of that, I just want to be able to have occasional things about the thing I like on the board I used to like.
>>4027635Another reason why I'm rooting for Knight. I don't want to be on the same side with Whoriel and Sucks. Reminder that Knight>dindu nuffin>went to church>hid Undyne and Asgore in the safe place>summoned a weak Titan to teach us how to fight one>fraudchecked Flowery>kept her promise to Noelle by taking her to the city of lights>has the best bossfight in the game
>>4027711>would lead you to the og timelineBecause you're breaking through to it. You're bringing characters from Side A into Side B, and notably you're bringing yourself, where you can then reset while in 7B to start 1B as the Vessel>causes you to leave the bounds of the gamesIf you're entering something called "Side B", you haven't left, you're just on a different part of it
>>4027626the jannies are WoW cocksuckers and seethe whenever an ffxiv thread has actual discussion and isn't filled with astroturfed schizo's folder dumping the entire thread. it's insane how much /v/ mods have a bias towards specific threads. you don't see this on other boards.
>>4027726> You're bringing characters from Side A into Side B, and notably you're bringing yourself, where you can then reset while in 7B to start 1B as the VesselI sill don't see any compelling reason on why Side B would be the original timeline. Although I guess the idea of starting the game over as the Vessel is an interesting concept, but I prefer Kris, who is an actual character and not a plot device who only appears once to be thrown away.Nor am I really sure what the point of the weird route would be if you're just returning the game to it's orignal state.I guess there could be something tragic in Noelle trying to break free only to get a worse ending but the particular scenario you've laid out isn't something I find compelling.>If you're entering something called "Side B", you haven't left, you're just on a different part of itI said metatextually, it's what the whole Weird Route represents in the narrative. You're not literally breaking out of the games bounds.
>>4027698Anybody got a fanart that's like pic related but had Noelle, Lancer and the vessel? it was posted multiple times in the past few years
If the Playstation achievements and the WR CH5 ending screen are anything to go by, what are the chances we will get some sort of NG+ mode for Side B? Imagine if the WAITing continued beyond CH7's release.
>>4027733Zero.Chapter 7 Side B is still gonna be long as fuck though, especially if the third Mantle board is anything to go by.
>>4027732
>>4027733assuming that Toby is going to stick with 2029 for the full game release (11 years according to Forgotten Man), then i can see chapter 6 release early 2027, and chapter 7 with new game plus would release somewhere in 2029. it took 3 years for Undertale's full game, so new game plus in 2 years sound possible if he doesn't have to create a lot of new stuff but change up the scenario similar to weird route chapter 2
>>4027733I'm glad you asked! Here's my magnum opus!Still shaky on the details like who the heroes are in Side B, but I am very confident in it being a New Game+ where you play as the Vessel at the very least>>4027737I wouldn't be surprised if he's been working on it right along, would help to explain why the game's taken so long
>>4027736yup, that's exactly the pic i was talking aboutcrazy how a random fanart from chapter 1 era has became way more relevant almost a decade laterIf the Vessel replaced Kris' role in the original timeline, what exactly was Kris' role? just a rando?
>>4027739>Ralsei>Was told about Side B>When his reactions to the boards in Chapter 3 makes clear he doesn't know what it it, he only has bad vibes to go off of.
>>4023693false flags. some tard is trying to get the game banned from all boards or some shit
>>4027740She probably was just the Knight's helper or the love interest for the Vessel if the two cages in TV World and Mew Mew and Maddie are anything to go by.
>>4027739Also why would Susie want the every sucks and everyone dies timeline, and I don't think Ralsei is in on Kris' shit. We see what their private hangouts are like in Chapter 5.Ralsei tries to get information out of Kris while trying to find out why he's creating Dark Fountains and convince him not to do that.Also given Gersons calls his story a reinterpretation of the prophecy I don't think it's emblematic of any og timeline.
>>4027422Interesting to see a serious interpretation of the Doelester memes. Almost makes me want to see something similar in canon but knowing my man Tobert that's 100% out of the question. Rose scene, anyone?
>>4027745 (cont.)Also Kris telling Ralsei made me think of something, if the OG timeline is the case and Ralsei was invented for the new timeline and Kris wants to save everyone. Then why isn't Ralsei in on Kris's plan and what is Kris hiding?Why involve Carol, why kidnap people when that's not mentioned in any of the prophecy slide we see. And what was Dess' role in the OG timeline, what makes her so important that she needs to be let in and not Ralsei?Although I do kind of like the idea of Susie being the Knight in the OG timeline.
>>4027739Where would the Forgotten Man fit into the theory?It's possible he was there in the original timeline, but something happened, and he got overwritten and replaced by Sans. I say Sans because Susie said in chapter 5 weird route that she can't remember what was there before Sans' house, and Kris can't remember who operated the ferris wheel in last festivalMaybe Grillby is the forgotten man and Sans replaced him by taking over his store
>>4027753The Forgotten Man is seemingly connected to the Deltarune before Gaster's arrival (Once Upon time, everywhere looked like this) but when Gaster arrived he built the Deltarune we're playing on top of it.In a way, Tenna is Gaster parallel. He takes the original game (Mantle/ManCountry) and makes it in a very straightforward experience (Your choices don't matter in this world)This all makes Tenna's death in the third Mantle board a very, very interesting foreshadowing.
>>4027755Is "Your choices don't matter" the same "voice" as Gaster?It speaks differently, in manner, tone, and caps.If Tenna is a stand in for Gaster (Which I like), does that mean the "Knight" is antagonistic and destructive towards Gaster's revisions trying to make sure "It doesn't matter/you don't get a choice"?And the sword path, killing him too, and "Mantle" seems closer to the original, but still modified from "The game that Kris knew", even Ramb comments on it.
>>4027755>This all makes Tenna's death in the third Mantle board a very, very interesting foreshadowing.I'm a firm believer that we are going to cause the shattering of Gaster in the weird route, maybe trap him in his world and break his machineWould explain how the weird route led to Undertale
>>4027740Wait a minute, something I just thought aboutSo like, obviously Susie isn't actually The Girl, right?So who's to say Side B couldn't have had the same thing happen?The team was Vessel/Noelle/Kris. None of them know the prophecy, none of them know there even IS a prophecy, they're just all in this together. Kris isn't "the prince", Kris is just also helping the team.Eventually though the real team is assembled at the world's edge in the final hour (I'm kinda thinking that ERAM is the real prince. Did you know he talks very similarly to Gaster in Japanese?), Noelle dies, Kris freaks out and also gets injured somehow, Susie panics, and eventually Kris manages to reset and try to do things right>>4027745>why would Susie want the every sucks and everyone dies timelineShe doesn't want all that, I think she's more just on a power trip in Side B. She learns that she can create dark worlds where she can finally have power and uses it to hurt others.>>4027749Kris probably just told Ralsei what he needs to know, nothing more. Tell him the world ended and not to let us get the ability to use FireShock.
>>4027761The only way I see Susie looping an everything sucks and everyone dies timeline is if it's her only option. Also I don't think Ralsei needs to be told not to murder people. I don't see how Fireshock would cause the bad timeline anyways and after that conversation with Kris is when Ralsei starts saying violence might be nessecary l.I think it's more likely that whatever the original outcome was, it was objectionably to Kris and Dess even if the world was saved. This time they plan on themselves being the sacrifices.It would explain why they want to loop and why they don't tell others, as someone else might get in the way of their plan since it involves them dying.
>>4027759I'm not saying he's that, but the game/world he created very clearly has the prophecy that forces everyone on a pre-determined path.The Knight already acts in opposition to Gaster, even just because they're connected to the second voice that takes US away from our Vessel.>>4027760Would explain why Gaster and his goners don't appear in the Genocide Route. He recognizes you as the same Soul from the Weird Route and hides away.
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>>4027763>The only way I see Susie looping an everything sucks and everyone dies timeline is if it's her only optionSusie didn't loop it. Kris did. The text where Susie says "wake up" are just the final things Kris heard before looping back>I don't see how Fireshock would cause the bad timeline anyways There's the case to be made that we screwed something up in the first timeline. Maybe The Vessel commanded Noelle or whoever the Prince is do something that screwed everything up. Kris REALLY hates us in Deltarune and doesn't trust us one bit, right down to hiding her true power level
>>40277391. Ralsei has no idea about Side B.2. Side B and "the first playthrough" are completely separate.3. Kris also doesn't know about Side B. As pointed by other anons, he only reacts to what the Vessel does on the Weird Route, while on the Normal Route he outright knows what'll happen, as evidenced by getting Berdly's feather beforehand.
>>4027766I guess the other thing more or less makes sense, but if Susie doesn't loop the timeline how does she "reset with vessel to b1"?
>>4027766Something I want to add on is, in Homestuck, a big thing is that the trolls constantly pester the human characters and hate them and never share why, constantly saying stuff like "YOU RUINED EVERYTHING FUCKASS I DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN SHIT TO YOU I JUST HATE YOU" and the characters have no idea why.Later it turns out that, in the future, the humans accidentally unleashed an omnipowerful killer that started slaughtering the trolls.They hate you for something you don't even know you've done yet
>>4027739>This nigger thinks Normal Route will have a happy ending, when the game outright says Side A will end worse than Side B.
>>4027770Susie isn't doing any resetting, sorry if I'm not being clear enoughMy thought is (You) travel with Weird Kris and Noelle into 7B, then you leave them and can inhabit the Vessel, to then reset to 1B.This does create the interesting situation where the soul in the B Side knows full well what Noelle is capable of as that was the only way to get there in the first place. Maybe you do just start breaking Noelle on Side B and that's why Kris hates you on Side A>>4027772I never said it'd have a happy ending, I said that's what Kris is hoping for, and maybe there will be some way to make that happen
>>4027775So it's a bootstrap paradox then? But if you don't do the weird route then you have the Kriselle knight problem of a time paradox>>4027771Yeah I've read Homestuck, I know Dess Knight has Bec Noir vibes
>>4027772Did it?Ralsei cried that he wanted an alternative but "Feared said alternative may be even worse" unless it implies 3 endings (Which i think is possible)
>>4027784He only says that on the Weird Route btw.
>>4027784No, it just implies he's a coward.>>4027775>>4027775Again, if you're operating under the assumption that Side B = Original Playthrough it will never make sense.If there was a "first playthrough" it was extremely similar to the Normal Route, only with Noelle instead of Susie and a third person instead of Ralsei. It's the reason why Kris can anticipate the events - because they already happened in that way.
>>4027787Kris can anticipate the events because of the prophecy.
>>4027577>>4027622Yume Nikki. some people consider it the prototype "pixel indie rpg" game. you can find its DNA in a lot of games that came after
>>4027789Anon, the prophecy is vague. It doesn't say:>the next fountain to open will be in the flower shop, also remember to get Berdly's feather you can trade in with Seth, a person you technically shouldn't even know exists,It's obvious he knows the exact order of events. Meanwhile on the Weird Route he just lashes out in inane rage and does improvised damage control, until finally giving up.
>>4027787>and a third person instead of RalseiThere's only one other person who can be called a prince from the dark...
I once saw an anon have this idea that if you ever got to play as the vessel, instead of having preset dialogue choices, it should work like those games where you can type stuff in and characters react to certain keywords.Make it seem more like you're really getting to be a character that can say whatever they want.
>>4027793Kris has been opening dark fountains where the knight wants them. >At homeSlashed the tires to get Undyne on the scene, knight wanted Toriel (Who Kris knelt and let almost happen and Susie stopped the knight), until Undyne showed up and the knight chose Undyne because of less resistance.>ChurchAttempted Toriel grab>Flower shopKris ran in and did it to distract Susie as well as get Asgore, who the knight took. Every Kris fountain has been trying to grab people that know shelter codes and/or people to get put into the shelter. It's very likely the knight is giving Kris a hitlist and might promise they'll be safe "If something happens", but also the knight wants certain targets for sacrifice. The bunker could be a "Safe" dark world if the rest of the world is flung into the roaring (Or so Kris thinks as told by the knight), whatever traumatized Kris could be holding Kris by duress unless he does what he's ordered to do, and certain people will be "Safe" when it happens, while others are going in the grinder.
>>4027794MY KING.
>>4027793Catty says that the prince of the dark has horns, which are not shown in the prophecy panel (I think she did, I might be misremembering). It's likely the prophecy is more in depth in the light world but not to the point it drops names or every single action (it probably said the three heroes will be jailed, like in every other dark world)
>>4027801Still doesn't explain the fact he knows such minutiae as Seth wanting Berdly's feather, something Kris can only know if he had already played through those events before.Again, Normal Route IS the default route, so it stands to reason, and everyone points to the fact, that the first playthrough was along the Normal Route. There is not a single instance supporting the idea that the Weird Route has already been played before.
>>4027812I will say that Gerson warned about staring too closely at details. Kris also "Struck a deal" with Seth before opening the dark world, and it wouldn't be the first time Kris "Struck a deal" to cause delays and influence dark worlds, which are shaped by the imagination and feelings/memories of the one who opens it. Seth being the nerd that Asgore would regulalry read to and leave books in front of, likely knew the "Librarian bird" which was Berdly and Kris implied to Seth "I'll get you a librarian's feather" because he had one, before opening it. It doesn't imply a loop, but a deal foreshadowed, likely because of the knight instructing him of marks.
>>4027760I want to recontextualize Sans' importance in regard to chapter 5 WR: he gives Kris the crumbs, which saves both Kris and Noelle if they drown, and allows them to glitch out of Hometown otherwise. Sans is some kind of time&space cop that is on Gaster's ass (there's a parallel with Twin Peaks here, Agent Cooper/Blue Rose task force looking for Judy, a demon that feasts on human suffering), he's not evil at all, just working undercover. Susie's antagonism with Sans is pretty telling I think, could be a clue about her true nature and function in the story.
>>4027823It's rather obvious that each route will have a different member of the Fun Gang as the final boss.
>>4027826Always bet on the fun gang being the final boss against (You) in the Weird Route.
Chapter six fountain should be the diner and ICE-E's and it focuses on Catti and Pizzapants but of course that's actually just a smokescreen for talking about the SOUL and Asriel And Catti and Susie do lesbian violence against each otherAnd it'll be HELL themed becaue it's fire and ICE
>>4027829Who would've ever thought this wasn't just a gag scene, that Noelle actually liked having power over people
>>4027829>And Catti and Susie do lesbian violence against each otherHot!
>>4027829>Have Pizzapants face the truth>Break into ICE E's to start a fountain>Pizzapants is just hanging there>Kris ignores it and opens a fountain
>>4027829Chapter 6 is Kris making a Dark World in the Dreemurr house again but this time it's the bathroom.
>>4027834>Pizzapants doesn't get the hint and blabs about more than he should when the gang runs into him proper, the same way he dared to mention something about Dess that wasn't in pure vaguepost terms that actually serves as critical character information about her (her lack of musical talent and creativity, unlike Kris)
>>4026836And also a Homestuck reference.
>>4027845Chapter 6 is (You) making Kris make a Dark World in Toriel's bedroom and Darkners are based on her vibrators, giant off-white panties and empty liquor bottles.
>>4027852>
>>4027845Chapter 6 is Kris getting fed up with Susie and stabbing her in the chest, creating a Dark World based on her internal organs
>>4027635thats how people are retconning that scene now? lol
>>4026836https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXglHbYB1Y4
>>4027857Sans is on some gigaknower shit and seems to have ulterior motives, even in what's supposed to be his origin story.He's actively teleporting around Hometown (something Susie openly acknowledges on Weird Route Chapter 5), somehow got approval to be in charge of multiple festival rides despite being a very recent newcomer to Hometown, and most damningly towards his gigaknower status, plants bread on your inventory that, while it is a Bread Crumbs glitch reference, is also an item you can't get rid of unless you "abort" the Weird Route by drowning, even though at this point Kris is so spirit broken that you can basically do whatever the hell you want, including forcing him to march to his doom to Noelle, so nothing should be stopping you from dropping the bread unless some "fuck you, player" quality was baked into the bread itself.
>>4027829Too complicated for toby, there's already so many pizzapants routes that I doubt he'll ever be involved in the main plot. Even though I like the idea of tying some of those threads together
>>4027829we dont have 10 chapters
>>4027865Silly anon, you forgot how these things work
>>4027867And don't forget Side B(eyond canon)
>>4027867Nah ch6 will be the shit goes down chapter and ch7 will be the final bossBut its fine because at this point its pretty clear we will get a third game unless toby dies
>>4027869Chapter 7 will also be the Great Leder-ing (Deltarune Edition) where you get absolutely assfucked by mountains of exposition from a seemingly irrelevant but highly mysterious character, because Toby wants to keep the core plot of Chapter 7 down to the conflict of Kris & Knight, Susie & Ralsei, Noelle, and (You).
>>4027869If he actually makes a 3rd game, I hope it won't be released chapter by chapter. Honestly, I think the fragmented release hurt the game a bit. The weird route especially would've been way better to discover if it came with a full game attached.
>>4027872>Honestly, I think the fragmented release hurt the game a bitdisagree entirely, deltarune has thrived massively off the episodic nature of its releases. A singular release would have killed it.
>>4027872I actually feel a bit nauseous whenever anyone brings up the third game.I've been waiting for Deltarune for 8 years, if I have to be jerked around like this for another game I'm gonna lose it
>>4027873I think the fragmented release hurt the narrative a bit, as the game relied heavily on vague storytelling to keep speculation alive. If it were released as a complete game, Chapter 5 would have done a much better job setting up the finale, unless Toby Fox is intentionally going for a "calm before the storm" effect.
game 3 will be an MMOToby will make trillions
>>4027876>unless Toby Fox is intentionally going for a "calm before the storm" effect.its that and 5 is more thematic setup than plot set upWithout 5 the escapist aspect would feel underwhelming. its the part of the game where it hammers home that the dark worlds are just fiction come alive, they are not 'real', real things inside them slowly die, etcAlso you fight the personification of undertale's pacifist perspective and he gets raped by fate so its not looking good for people who march down the main path.
Is chapter 6 long or short?Toby said it was going to be the fastest one to dev but chapter 4 took less time than chapter 3, and 4 was longer than 3, 3 just had so much in the way of animation/gameplay, so I don't think 6 is necessarily "Shorter" just based on that.
>>4027880ch3 had all those pesky minigames
>>4027869>at this point its pretty clear we will get a third gameUnless Toby is bullshitting everyone about his health problems, he's most likely retiring after DR. And even if he's bullshitting it might be an excuse to justify retiring to his rabid fans.
>>4027880I think it will be shorter than usual but as a result have multiple differing paths depending on when you aborted WR, your shadow crystals and the eggs.
>>4027879It's not much brighter for the Weird Route either, Punishment Cage B is only slightly better than Punishment Cage A.The theoretical Sword Route and its relation to the Twisted Sword + Aborted Weird Route is going to be just plain vile if you follow MANTLE's insistence that you NEED to kill everyone as per Level 3, and assuming Blue and Yellow's doors are yet another parallel related to Normal and Weird (with the additional Yellow door for "all punishments worse than burying" hammering in that you aren't getting a happy outcome if so) given that Kris's icon is blue and Noelle's icon is yellow, but it's possible the absolute best order of events leading to the ending will require you to learn how to use the Twisted Sword smartly rather than blindly.
>>4027882When is the last time he brought that up
>>4027886During CH4->5 wait he fucked up a tweet he made using speech-to-text.If you're using speech-to-text for tweets of all things, you must be either absolutely fucked up physically or absolutely retarded.
>>4027884Yeah the twisted sword is 100% a psyop by ERAMYou are getting tricked into following his pathIts not true freedomIn the end its like Spamton, you tried to go [[BIG]] but you just got bigger strings instead if the phone caller for spamton is ERAM then its even more kino
>>4027879>dark worlds are just fictionThe dark worlds are real. And is implied that they can destroy the light world if too many dark fountains are opened.>fight the personification of undertale's pacifist perspectiveFlowery is really not frisk. As cool as he is Frisk mostly walks alone in Undertale and ends up surviving torture and being killed 100 times by Flowey. He is cool and at all but he didn't suffered as much.
>>4027880There's not much of way to be certain. It's just that around 3+4 he got producer to tard wrangle this shit into actually coming out this lifetime.
he fucked up his wrist by masturbating to homestuck characters too much
>>4027894Wow...he really is a man of the people.
>>40278806 seems like it'll be long since it has to do a lot of narrative lifting so Chapter 7 isn't bloated with unrelated plotlines, but it also seems like Toby isn't planning anymore major gimmicks like Chapter 3's minigames + Zelda clone, Chapter 4's climbing and Chapter 5's platforming, so the most of his workload is working with pre-existing mechanics and gimmicks, coming up with even more new bullet patterns and probably the new version of the blue soul mode, and likely a whole lot of Light World shit to give every little sub-story their cliffhangers or closers, depending on whether or not we get to actually explore Hometown one last time after the worlds are saved in Chapter 7.
>>4027892That makes sense, and I'm sure a lot of things have been made that can be reused/utilized in chapter 6. All the chapters seem to have "unused" content that seem to hint at being used later, too, so it looks like they've been kinda making 6 as they go.
>>4027894yeah I'd cripple myself over aradia's fat bags too, frankly that's just art meeting reality
>>4027654To be fair in anime there's some female princes sometimes, I remember people using that to justify Dess being the prince.
Does Kris keep worrying about losing a hand because of catti's father missing an arm?Is it an early childhood fear that just runs wild in the dark world?
>>4027906>worrying abouttourist-kun we've been over this last year...
>>4027894pre-dog jade was a goldmine
>>4027857People think that what Toriel said in the morning somehow excuses her behavior, when in reality she slept with a store owner for groceries, trusted a complete stranger who said that her kid is doing fine, and then tried to pin all the blame on said kid.
>>4027928she is a horny milf
>>4027906Moishe Cattenberg obviously was in Dark World at some point, losing his mind and his arm, same way as Berdly did in the present. My theory is that there was already an attempt to enact Prophecy back in the past, and Carol went through her own Snowgrave, hence the icy personality and obsession with hearts. She was the one to lop off Mr. Catz' arm off with her sword.
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>>4027941And done!
>>4027942Creepy dess is the best IMO
idgi
>>4027748>Rose scene, anyone?I mean he changed it because people were saying Kris literally raped Noelle. But Kris not literally raping Noelle doesn't doesn't remove the whole sexual assault, forced marriage, and abuse allegories from the weird route.Honestly my only problem with Dess grooming Kris in some form on molestation allegory is that Noelle seems more important to his motivations. He starts crashing out the most when you move on her and in Chapter 5 if you have him look through a photo album he only closes it when Noelle comes up.
>>4027889It's obvious that both the Weird Route and this so-called "Sword Route" are your attempts to break the prophecy, but the cost will be higher. Everything points to Deltarune having a bittersweet or sad ending.
>asgore's tv wasn't put face down to avoid another tenna>it was to avoid THE REAL OMEGA FLOWERYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvYhz_d8RRI
>>4027956Nah I can believe Kris just fucking HATES and SEETHES at tenna so much that he would rather die than risking an another tenna rerun
>>4027956I love the waiting room.
>>4027580>He shows that he knows about the Soul by pretending not to know Kris in Chapter 1Speaking of. It's pretty obvious that Deltarune Sans is pre-Undertale Sans. Yet to us we meet him first in Undertale, and he seems to acknowledge that? Reminds of how The Doctor and River Song met in reverse order. His first encounter with her was when she died.
>>4027626Nope.
>>4027975it's a fun dynamic, it should really get used more often
>>4027654I had a thought today (or yesterday) that maybe Kris was the Knight. He had an agreement with someone (Dess, probably) to replace him in the current Deltarune. Pic related was recently posted in the /v/ thread, which reinforced my theory.
>>4027888Probably the former, I am not even sure if he makes any sprites anymore, aside from Aqua and Yellow were there anyother ones?
>>4027727I caught up with JJK anime yesterday, finally saw the origin of this animation. It's a shame that this guy just jobbed twice and died, he was pretty cool.
>>4027981That's my theory as well. OG heroes were Vessel, Noelle/Susie and Asriel while Kris was the Knight. Kris swapped himself to the cage so Dess could at least live on as the Roaring Knight, but he will have to take his original role soon.
>>4027987I have some good news for you…… no, you'll figure it out yourself.
>>4027991
I've lost hope. Toby won't let us have a decent ending. I don't want to see Suselle trash at the end. We need to start making our own mod or something...
>>4027981I think the other role is just Kris being a collaborator to the "main" villain of the game despite being the protagonist.
>thread gets autosaged and I get warned>5 minutes later it gets forcibly archived and I get bannedPretty funny to be honest.
>>4027996A collective 4chan DR mod would collapse the moment the time to decide Kris's gender arrives.
>>4027998It just keeps happening
>>4027999the femkris weirdos can make their own mod if they want
>>4027999easy solution: have professor gaster ask if you're a boy or a girl
>>4028001>>>femkris weirdos>being straight is weird now
>>4027999Just make a switch button or something.
>>4028002I'm in-between Doctor.
>>4028005GO PLAYMY ORIGINAL CREATION THEN
>>4028005>NO ONE CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE IN THIS WORLD>NOW SELECT YOUR SEX, FAGGOTReally out of no where toby, what the fuck
>>4027996>We need to start making our own mod or something...Some /doe/fag has already started working on Chapter 0>>>/trash/84335941https://files.catbox.moe/12dp6e.mp4
>>4028009>chapter 0Set in their childhood? basedWould be better to wait until we get Dess canon appearance though
>>4027998>Deltarune threads get constantly deleted and its users banned>Meanwhile there's a Yellow thread up for hours even though it's mostly one anon necrobumping itDoes the janny only care about banning discussion about canon games or something?
>>4028009i like the idea of having an empty textbox with just faces, it's an interesting way of displaying the expressions without having a ton of "..." boxes
>>4028011Nevermind I made the post before watching hte trailer
>>4028011Nah, Noelle is grown up in that trailer.
>>4028011>Set in their childhood?No? I think it's a few days before the game starts. Though it would be cool to see Kris and Noelle as kids. But I think that would be difficult because you'd have to draw a lot of new sprites and stuff.
>>4028009That's a self insert Kriselle mod though. The author himself said so.
>>4028001There's already a gendered Kris mod that allows you to pick both genders. Undertale has one, too.
>>4028020young milklooker
>>4028022The Undertale one is more in depth because it allows you to decide the gender of every they/them character in the game. I hope one day Deltarune has a mod like that.
>>4028013nah they kill yellow threads sometimes too, it's just that their community is small enough they were able to organize keeping their threads mostly to weekends only in an attempt to placate the modsevidently it doesn't always work, but they've not exactly got a big enough base to be a pain in the ass like the greater UTDR base does
>>4028020Technically you could edit Aqua's sprites for Kid Kris.
>>4028025>>4028022Is there one to remove all the gay relationships?
>>4028028Yeah it's called disinstall.
>>4028026So their threads aren't targeted like ours, then? Because their thread has been up for literal hours. I don't hear anyone playing victim anymore.
>>4028025Name of the mod? I imagine it wont be in mainstream mod sites either
>>4027748>Rose scene, anyone?interestingly, I think that Chapter 5 recontextualizes what the rose meant, but Tricky Tobias miscalculated and forgot that at the time, only he knew the meaning of the shattered rose. Without Chapter 5 giving us symbolic context that Flowers = Dreams and Love, we ended up defaulting to rape. And Toby is very particular about how his work is communicated.
>>4028031It's on gamebanana like the Kris one.https://gamebanana.com/mods/604093
>>4028031I think it's gendered Frisk/Chara and it's on gamebanana. There's a pronoun mod for Clover too!
>>4028032so he wasnt a weak pansy that capitulated to the fanbase he is just autistic
>>4028035>>4028036cool cheersTime to replay undertale for the first time in years
>>4028032In the end Kris was the shattered rose and thus Asgore’s eighth red flower. That's why the red soul was the only one that didn't have a human counterpart.
>>4027997so...the squire to a knight?
>>4028020Technically Noelle has a sprite for her younger self in the 10th anniversary stream and you could potentially edit Frisk/Aqua's sprites for young Kris.
>>4027894Look we've all pulled a muscle when jorking it to Terezi's hangers
Do you think Sans works for Gaster or is against Gaster? were the Gaster Blasters made by Gaster or made to blast Gaster?
>>4027951You forgot there's also a datamined ring called "Gilded Rose" which seems to indicate there's either a "good" variant of the Thorn Ring or that it itself can be purified in some way.
>>4028048For Gaster.
>>4028048Sans has two autistic brothers its what it boils down to
>>4028052The three dimension hopping stooges
>>4028035>Papyrus and Sans' Lost SoulsWhat
>>4028049The gilded rose is what it will turn into if you carry it from an aborted route.
>>4028030one untouched thread's not entirely indicative of anything, deltarune threads have reached bump unscathed while this shit's been going on toobesides, there's much worse threads on the /v/ catalog that've been up all day, no need to start getting mad at those guys just because they didn't get unfairly smited too
>>4028013yella fellas chug along slowly enough to avoid tripping the banny janny alarm when they're not on red alert. plus their threads are rare and esoteric compared to ours
My take as of now:>"Pacifist" Route - Bad Ending>Normal Route - Neutral Ending OR "The Loop Restarts Again" Ending>Weird Route - "Leave" Ending>Twisted Sword Route - Genocide Ending>Late Aborted Weird Route - True Ending
>>4028037pretty obvious when you remember that he was stuck in Hussie's basement as a Homestuck music slave. And made Undertale.
>>4028066>>Weird Route - "Leave" EndingTo expand - I think people are mistaken about the 10th anniversary Undertale playthrough. The reindeer girl we meet in Snowdin isn't Noelle - it's her daughter.I think the Weird Route will end up with Kris and Noelle moving to Undertale's setting.
>>4028013Yellow threads are done once a week, so jannies likely can't justify it being a general, and they're basically a way for the Fangames threads here to branch out and keep talking on /v/I was there when Yellow first released, those threads lasted about 2 weeks before they started getting pruned, and didn't have nearly as much autism behind them to complain like Deltarune posters could, so they settled into this board instead. The original Fangames threads were all yellow themed before a bunch of devanons came forward with their own stuff unrelated to Yellow.So as much as I get the frustration for it, it's not quite the same.
>>4028068Youd think Kris would have come out to confront Frisk in the genocide route if that was the case
>>4028063>>4028065I'm just tired, every time one of them shows up in our threads to shit on Deltarune or "canonfags" it's always a "falseflag" and now their threads being unscathed is just them being "smart" or an "exception". I'm just not listening when someone puts us in the same class if that thread actually archives, that's all.
>>4028070Why? It's stated plainly in the Genocide Route that a bunch of people simply ran away. A theoretical Kris wouldn't risk his family's safety, especially since he abandoned one home to an apocalypse in the past.
>>4028049>>4028059Yeah, but if you were to purify it, you'd be able to also "fix" Noelle too?
>>4028070>>4028073>cont. Forgot the most important part - he would also know about the SAVE system, and thus that fighting Frisk/Chara is completely pointless.>>4028075I don't think the Gilded Rose will have anything to do with the Thorn Ring. It's stems from the same "Noelle is insane" misinterpretation.
>>4028071Calling it "our" threads is making this shit too territorial. I post in both and can tell you the yellowfags had passivity beat into them because of the jannies. They were so paranoid during the initial move to /vrpg/ that they were begging people to wait a whole day after a thread archived here. If someone is coming up to shit on Deltarune then it really is a falseflagger. I won't even be surprised if it's a janny using their extensive Deltarune knowledge to specifically cause a schism.
>>4028068any situation that involves a human living in the underground doesn't really make sense, there's far too much riding on frisk being the one human around for it to make sense that another's just kinda hanging out there too and isn't constantly having to deal with shit like a rabid undyne trying to hunt his ass down for his SOUL
>>4028076Still doesnt workAsgore would want to take his soul away as the only human living in the underworldUnless he is souless in undertale?
>>4028078Remember that the size of the Underground is a result of the game's limitations. It's supposed to be essentially an entire continent.>>4028079Asgore and Undyne would have to know he's even there in the first place.
>>4028080So what he has a family, allows his daughter to go out by herself in snowdin to be autistic about christmas trees but no one knows he is there? Does he cosplay as a monster when he leaves the house?
>>4028080well if noelle's kid is hanging around snowdin like you originally suggested, they're definitely not so far off the beaten path that they're suddenly unnoticeable by the king of the underground and his royal guard
>>4028071there's always gonna be 3 different UTDR blue board groups, but the yellowfags are usually palatable enough to be able to post in here and there unlike with /utg/oids. so someone harping about canon is more than likely trying to shitstir for the sake of it
>>4028082nta I don't agree with the theory but monsters are pretty dumb, either way I don't think it's likely. From the alarm clock dialogue Asgore implies Rudy's daughter's are pretty young, and Clam Girl also implies Suzy is around Frisk's age so I think the entire DR monster cast are just sort of young in Undertale.Besides that why and how would Kris get to the UT 10nth anniversary livetstream universe? There's no reason to think the Weird Route would end there. The only connection I see is that the bottom of the Lake in DR and the Barrier in UT are both representative of game boundaries.
>>4028070Kris was already in Undertale.In Asgore's basement.
I see undertale as an alternate universe, not a sequelIt just happens that the skeletons know how to travel between those
>>4028086>There's no reason to think the Weird Route would end there.Anon it's almost guaranteed that in the Weird Route they'll end up at Gaster's Lab in Undertale.>>4028086>>4028083>>4028082Just to reiterate - my thought about the Weird Route is that they reach Gaster's Lab in Undertale via the lake's Dark Fountain, go through all the meta and occult revelations, maybe even close said Dark Fountain from their end, and then stay in Undertale.
There's two versions of Undertale.The original one, without Sans.The one we play, with Sans.
>>4027989>OG heroes were Vessel, Noelle/Susie and AsrielI don't think Susie or Asriel were a part of this. It's probably Vessel, Noelle, and either Lancer or an alternative form of Ralsei (he looks like Asriel because of the emotional significance to Kris).
>>4027989>>4028094The original party were Kris, Noelle and Catti. They're described as "best friends", all three have an interest in the weird and the occult, plus you have that whole demon summoning ritual incident.
>>4028077Probably. Maybe I'm just miffed because of being banned for posting in a thread about video games and then seeing preferential treatment while Deltarune still gets deleted. I will take a chill pill rather then getting mad at others discussing their game.
>>4028090>it's almost guaranteedWhat are the hints towards this being the case
>>4028076The gilded Rose's description is basically a good version of the thorn ring with the thorns pointing outwards and it gives the exact same stats.
>>40280981. Entry #17, found at Gaster's Lab ends is a description of a Dark Fountain. It ends with:>WHAT DO YOU TWO THINKHe's addressing Kris and Noelle. 2. The music playing during Noelle's monologue is Gaster's Theme polarized and pitched up.
>Side B>Once upon a time starts playing, glitched outWould you clap?
>>4028098>>40281013. The "Insert Chapter 7" message is on a CRT screen and references a cassette tape. There's a CRT TV with a bunch of video tapes around at Gaster's Lab.
>>4028101>>40281074. And finally you have THIS. Whose SOUL do you think this is?
I think the Gilded Rose could have a connection with the Thorn Ring, Noelle's comment seems to imply she has seen the normal Thorn Ring, that said, it could be its own item too. It could be a "purified Thorn Ring, but in that case, how exactly was it purified? If it's through holding on to the Thorn Ring, how are we gonna craft the Twisted Sword if we lost the Thorn Ring? I suppose it could be possible to get another Thorn Ring in Chapter 6.
>>4028110Fine Ill file it under "likely"But I dont remember that image at all
>>4028110>go through all of WR>it's just to give gaster his background prop SOULsasuga, toby-sama...
>>4028106I would clap for that only if it's before Photoshop Soul/(You)
>>4028112it will likely be what the thorn ring turns into as a fuck you to people that "aborted" on chapter 2 so they have to do the proper steps for the twisted sword
>>4028120Yeah exactly, its gonna be a easter egg or special reward for stopping the weird route after getting the ring
>>4028110So much for cage B being "slightly better" huhWe just become a forgotten test subjectHow is that better than anythingJust how bad is the regular ending going to be
>>4028124Maybe Cage B just isn't connected to that? And I doubt the Weird Route will lead to that anyway.
>>4028124>Just how bad is the regular ending going to beRudy diesDess is never foundNoelle is fucking deadSusie either dies or retreats further inwards into escapism to copeKris diesRalsei diesThink the worst shit possible that would make you go>THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT>I. HAVE TO. CHANGE THIS.
>>4028090Cool I guess but I don't see a compelling argument for why the lake would lead them immediately into Gaster's lab. The feasibility of Kris hiding in the stream timeline is also weird, then again it's not like we see that universes genocide timeline so it's not like Kris, if he was in hiding, has a reason to come out.
>>4028127>everyone dies in the normal ending>everyone dies in the weird ending>fuck you everyone diesT-thanks Toby
>>4028124>Just how bad is the regular ending going to beNoelle and Susie get together and live happily ever after. Becoming a forgotten test subject is the better option
>>4028124This >>4028127.Remember - the "Default Ending" had to have been so bad that Kris, most probably, traded his own soul to a demon in order to be able to go back and try again...And what he seems to be aiming towards as an end goal is to put away as many people in the Shelter as possible + keep Noelle safe.
>>4028127the nukes will drop
>>4028106This doesn't really make sense because either side B would have to be a completely different chapter to regular Chapter 7 or Chapter 7 leads into Undertale somehow, too.
Chapter 7 Side B is gonna end with (You) shattering Gaster across time and space when he tries to take away your toys.
>>4028112It will turn if you kept the ThornRing from Chapter 2. TwistedSword is for aborting it in 5
>>4028136It's because people mix up "Side B" with the "first playthrough" as if those two are the same. They're not.There are three playthroughs:>The Original One>Side A - Kris is trying to play the prophecy straight while keeping Noelle safe and away from the events.>Side B - The Vessel wants to break the prophecy while making Noelle strong enough to survive the events.
>>4028138I don't see how that would be the case, seeing as only the CH5 Aborted Route gets its own flag.
>>4028110But the red soul there appears in both timelines, if Kris and Noelle are married(?) in the 10th anniversary stream timeline what's going on with them in the normal UT timeline?
>>4028142Again, I think that once Deltarune's complete Toby will go back and patch Undertale to fit the 10th anniversary stream.
>>4028140Doesn't that prove my point? Aborting it before 5 just snaps you back to normal, including the item that breaks the game.
>>4028146>You see, the author will vindicate my theory eventually by patching it to be correctRight... I don't buy that, and honestly even if they appeared in the stream timeline I don't think they would get married. Their relationship is a bit fucked although I guess them not having you in the picture anymore could help.
>>4028091>>The original one, without Sans.how would Snowdin even play without them? Annoying Dog as final boss of the area?
>>4028134The Russian schizotheory still makes some sense when you consider Toby's weeaboo status and Susie being Godzilla
>>4028153Probably with the Royal Guard as the final boss. Alphys would replace Sans in the judgement hall or there just wouldn't be anyone there.Everything still functions perfectly without him.
>>4028158Oops forgot to say I meant Alphys in the judgement hall in genocide.
>>4028158>Alphys would replace Sans in the judgement hall or there just wouldn't be anyone there.imagine the spaghetti kek
>>4028159>Oops forgot to say I meant Alphys in the judgement hall in genocide.oh ehin that case Mettaton Neo or heck, even Asgore with SOULs can function as the "final boss"
>>4028158speaking of sans and alphys, the machine in the back of Sans' house is 100% the Thrash Machine
>open twitter>mfw when seeing link relatedhttps://x.com/RicoSpriteArt/status/2081664496674955684
>>4028162>the machine in the back of Sans' house is 100% the Thrash Machineit's from a Dark World, which might open a can of worms of "UT is a Dark World" bullshitinb4 Roaring is Dimensional Merge type of event there both world LITERALLY mix together
>>4028164I mean there's a stone person with weird horns in waterfall right?In my opinion thats what will happen if a Lightner escapes the simulation. They are ultimately fake beings, so they will turn to stone like darkners.
>>4028163the freak grows freakier
>>4028166waitgoons are monochrome
>>4028166>stone person with weird horns in waterfall right?Wasn't that a monument made to honor Asriel and Chara that used to be in the hotel but Mettaton threw it in the trash?
>>4028166So that's what happened to Kris and Noelle in the normal UT timeline!It's sad they left an orphaned daughter in the stream one.
>>4028163>>4028167
>>4028168Goners are probably like that because of whatever happens in the Weird Route in my opinion.
>>4028170*Or was that a fanon thingForgot to type that
>>4028173>Goons fail so hard that literally turn white from fearbased?
>>4028176Yep. So scared they (and Gaster) don't even show their face around when you do a geno Route.They probably thought a Geno Player was the same Weird Route player that destroyed the Deltarune world, at least in this theory of mine.
>>4028179doesn't explain vessel being greyscale in Gooner Maker
>>4028162Nah, it's his dimensional travel machine.
>>4028181well, we don't know the full extent of the Thrash Machine either, outside of Berdly upgrading it to fight Giga Queen...
>>4028170>>4028175It's a fanon thing. Mettaton removed the statue last week while Undyne says the Waterfall statue has been around forever.
>>4028181>Gaster's going-into-games machine
>>4028180Copies are monochrome, so assuming it's literal Gaster created copies of human parts and that's why they are grey.
>>4028188>Gaster created copies of human partsall of them are teenage partshow could he "copy" them if he only has access to children?Unless...>check Goner Maker options for parts>8, 6, 5eehhh I have no clue
>>4028190Technically he has access to Kris too, by virtue of Kris being in HIS DELTARUNE.
>>4028191doesn't explain 8 heads I was thinking about a hypothesis that all other UT humans were actually teenagers, but the number of heads is just too large to make sense
>>4028195Toby will add a new human in the post-DR Undertale patch.
>Clam Girl in Switch version and NormalNPC confirmed that Goners are their "colored" counterpartshow are Ficus Licker and Donut Guy going to show their gone status? Donut being associated with Muffet, which is also (somehow) associated with Gaster via SFX makes things even weirder
>>4028190Gaster copied the humans he knew and just aged them up.
WHEREISHE
>>4028203He's already everywhere.After all, he's everyman.
>>4028203The FRIENDs got him because cats love hunting down birds.Or he was just scrapped because whatever early plans Toby had changed course, the same way he dropped the "mysterious visitor/caller" subplot with Jevil and Spamton and instead merged Spamton's story with the NEO Body Shadow Crystal Boss while retroactively giving Jevil a Shadow Crystal.
>>4028170it's fanon, but at the same time a music box version of his theme is playing when you're there so having it retroactively have fuck all to do with asriel would be a strange choice
>>4028205>the same way he dropped the "mysterious visitor/caller" subplot with Jevil and Spamton and instead merged Spamton's story with the NEO Body Shadow Crystal Boss while retroactively giving Jevil a Shadow Crystal.Huh? What are you talking about, Spamton finds the Shadow Crystal in the Neo Body and he was already crazy before it.
>>4028208Spamton used to be normal (albeit unsuccessful due to being malicious spam mail), but then he became a genuine BIG SHOT success thanks to some secret sauce methods from an unknown contact he became reliant on (one who seemingly told him about a lot of things the same way Jevil learned a lot from the mysterious visitor, given Spamton alludes to Jevil and seeks to surpass him in terms of being a freedompilled big shot), but at some point that caller bailed on him and effectively left his success to fall apart since he no longer had their guidance. THAT'S when he started going insane over freedom, reaching heaven and stealing the NEO Body.
>>4028210Yes. But what do you mean by this?>the same way he dropped the "mysterious visitor/caller" subplot with Jevil and Spamton and instead merged Spamton's story with the NEO Body Shadow Crystal Boss while retroactively giving Jevil a Shadow Crystal.Are you saying there used to be a different Shadow Crystal boss before Spamton, who he replaced during devlopment?
Can someone please explain to me why Toby hates this? Why does he want Kris to suffer and not be happy?
>>4028212Suffering builds character.
>>4028211https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/chapter2_music/His comments on Power of NEO (Unfinished) and Power of Spamton both imply Spamton had no relation to the NEO Boss fight until later into development.
>>4028216It's very clear we were supposed to just fight the actual Mettaton NEO body Pink style in Chapter 2 but then Toby created Spamton and then added it to that fight. It was always supposed to just be a "real" fight against Mettaton NEO
>>4028203
>>4028219>>4028216I mean I wouldn't say that but I agree with the general idea, he had a vague idea for a Mettaton boss and when he came up with Spamton and the Shadow Crystals he sort of merged them together.I guess the Strange Someone isn't that important anymore either so I imagine it's Dess or ERAM, although I imagine the SS being one of them might have been an idea as early as CHapter 2 given Spamton's strings are guitar strings.
>>4028219Imagine if he kept that original vision and we missed out on this KINO
>>4028225>so I imagine it's Dess or ERAMit's Gaster>but-GARBAGE NOISE
>>4028227Jevil's ramblings after he met the mysterious someone also made Seam's vision of the world become darker yet darker
>>4028227>>4028228Everyone has Gasterisms in Deltarune, even Asgore. And we only have description of Spamton's puppeteer: as a being that pulls (guitar) strings and makes them ring.Something that is exclusively related to Dess, Noelle in the Weird Route who's going all Schizo boss parallel also brings up Dess and her being curious about the same thing. Which to me signals that the WR lake scene is some form of parallel to whatever happened to Dess when she disappeared. So I think she went Schizo as well and eventually influenced Spamton and Jevil.
>>4028212something something heteronormative relationship bad something something
>>4028212Because Kris brought all of this upon himself by causing THAT DAY to happen in the first place. For as much as he loves Noelle, he can't act on his feelings or he risks letting her die because the nigh-immutable prophecy (only possible to subvert by God himself, I.E. Annoying Dog causing the Queen's unstoppable chariot to be stopped), of which he allowed to put into motion by virtue of THAT DAY, demands a final tragedy that seems invariably related to the role of The Girl.
>>4028241I want to believe that it's due to circumstances, but I also think that Toby is largely driven by his political views and ideas. I think this anon >>4028238 is right.
>>4028238Yeah it's sad how Noelle is the husband and Kris is the wife.
>janny deleted the janny worship thread because it had deltarune in the OPmy fucking sides
>>4028249Surprisingly, jannies can detect sarcasm.
>>4028249Link?
>>4028249after looking through the archive for it, i can only imagine what's going through the head of the guy who made that edit>made OP with it twice>killed both timesah who am i kidding he was probably happy about it, knew it'd end up on /j/ and everything
>>4028259do note jannies have both public and private reasons for any bans/warnings
if I was toby foxI would go on somewhere and upload a short deltarune "fangame" under a different aliasI would make it a bit shitty on purpose, but add crucial details to the story that people might just miss out on because it's a fangame
>>4028280He kinda did that with the smile ARG.
>>4028258yeah where's the link i want to read it
>>4028281yeah, but that was something more official, people already expected something from itnobody expects some dogshit on gamejolt to hold secrets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ52G8T1xrEKino
>>4028212>Why does he want Kris to suffer and not be happy?Gee, I wonder. (In case you don't know, search for what the filename of pic related means)
>>4028292Deltaheads aren't ready for Twin Peaks yet. Earthbound was partly inspired by David Lynch.As a side note I think people have overlooked the Creepypasta Godzilla NES, it's the one Creepypasta Toby has referenced as being an inspiration by name.
By the way, here's an easily misable conversation where Flowery unintentionally says to Susie she's living in a world of delusions.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KzWemHs5TLwSorry for linking to a short, can't exactly record my own footage.
>>4028296I believe I got this in my playthrough.
>>4028294The Weird Route is Godzilla NES.The Player is Red btw.
>>4028296Replace "shorts/" in the url with "watch?v=" and it will share as a regular video instead of a shitty shorthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWemHs5TLw
>>4028294Nah I think a good number of people watched the return in these places.I think both twin peaks and deltarune are works that make people draw insane conclusions
New comic
>>4028296>>4028301>Remember what were you WILLING to do?What the fuck does he mean?
>>4028307Cute, good job
>>4028307noelle's back at the molesting again i see
>>4028294I dont watch TV shows and I watched twinpeaks recently because of deltaruneIt was pretty good overall Ill admit, but Im still not going to watch any other tv showsIve never heard of this godzilla creepypasta until right now so I now have something else to doLuckily I do like reading
>>4028303Good. I want Deltarune's story and ending to confuse people as much as Twin Peaks.
>>4028317I don't know if that will be achievedMaybe by virtue of having just 2 fucking chapters left and a lot of threads unconnectedFor now we have more questions than answers, which is what makes at least 70 different theory videos a day
>>4028296>Flowery unintentionally says to Susie she's living in a world of delusions.What? I didnt get that at all from the dialogue
>>4028307She has big... eyes.
>>4028307Cute.
>>4028320>Susie says Asgore is crazy.>Flowery points out "do you remember what you were willing to do before Kris and Ralsei became your friends?">Susie is stunned, then claims she's changed.Then the important part is what Ralsei says:>Susie, you're good. EVEN IF HIS WORDS ARE CORRECT Flowery is just delusional.So, by a circle logic, both Flowery and Ralsei admit that Susie is crazy.Plus, as >>4028312 asked, what the fuck did Susie do prior to the game's start?
>>4028327I still dont get it. This is too high IQ for me.
>>4028331OK, putting that aside, I really do wonder what exactly did Susie do that was so horrible. Would somewhat contradict what a lot of people think - that her bully persona was just a LARP.
>>4028009>Some /doe/fag has already started working on Chapter 0Anon decided to post the trailer on YouTube. Like half the comments are just whining about le pronouns troon bullshit. God, I hate these "people"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZMHT7WW1g
>>4028338This fandom is so fucking insufferable holy shitHope anon learns his lesson and just turns comments off, but then again maybe the algorithm will leave him alone so its just /doe/ fags seeing his video.Placing noelle's expressions in the middle works way too well for some reason
spent a little too much time on this but wanted to share it.
and here's my interpretation of everything for my playthrough
>>4028347>>4028350Take your meds
>>4028338if the shippers cant get the yuri from suselle they'll change kris to femkris to get it even in a kriselle timeline
>>4028345>Placing noelle's expressions in the middle works way too well for some reasonIt's as if she's become the dialogue herselfHer face is all she needs to express her words
>>4028350I know it's been done in other comics but I'm reminded of this
>>4028358>INTERESTING. . . THE YURI IS BROKEN>BUT I HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT>Side B turns Kris female
>>4028360>Her face is all she needs to express her wordsBingo.
>>4028338sometimes i wonder if they even realize that acting so whiny over it only has the exact opposite effect of what they're trying to do
>>4028374They see that as a good thing as it furthers the purity spiral
>>4028345what the fuck is a /doe/ and a /sus/
>>4028338the worst part about this is that they're not even making it about his pronouns but his gender lmaooooooo
>>4028378Two kriscuck generals on /trash/, one shipping him with Noelle and the other with Susie.
>>4028338hey i just got reccomended this lmaothe expressions being used without dialogue is a great touch
>>4028347Where’s berdly
>>4028384what do you expect, kids don't understand ambiguous pronouns anymore and just assume 'they' means non-binary nowfunny to think, considering back when undertale came out the kids at the time had no issue understanding that
>>4028338That anon is retarted for doing his self insert mod shit but pronounfags are also a pain in the ass.
>>4028391>Where's IRRELEVANTlyOff-screen.
>>4028327> what the fuck did Susie do prior to the game's start?She was an angry bully loner dinosaur with no friends who lashed out violentlyLike it’s not always that deep anon you can see the things the game shows you
>>4028378they're generals on /trash/ about noelle (along with the rest of her family, despite the general's name there's a fair few dess works that've spawned from there) and susiecontrary to what the other guy said, they're not specifically requiring kris to be involved - /sus/ has spawned an entirely separate VN project that doesn't even involve susie never mind kris
>>4028387>kriscuckNoelle will never love (You). You're gross!
I feel like Carol and Susie parallel each other in some way but the only thing i can think of right now is that people mostly know them for their mean side (while a select group of people insist they're actually nice if you get to know them) and that they're both obsessed with keeping things the same (Susie wants her adventures to never end and Carol keeps everything preserved, especially Dess's room).
>>4028396>Where's [SAVIOR OF THE LANCER FAN CLUB]Yup
>>4028400Why would the Knight say this?
>>4028350Is gaster for (me)?
>>4028338See, I had this in my recommendations and ignored it until I saw this link. It's pretty nice what he did with the faces.It's pretty predictable that a bunch of imbeciles would flood his comment section about the pronoun thing. We're in mentally ill freak territory.
>>4028399>contrary to what the other guy said, they're not specifically requiring kris to be involvedHow have you missed all the hysterical simps that constitute the majority there?https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83666063/#83667695
>>4028408SELECT THE HEAD THAT (You) PREFER
>>4028412that post doesn't even say anything about kris, anon
>>4028412Kill all Kris self inserters
* (Susie's smile, which seemed to defeat everything)* (Shined on in front of you, and for a moment)* (It was as if all the darkness had been blown away.)* (As if in imitation, your SOUL began to glow...)
>>4028412I've seen way worse said on veeDon't understand the doomposting when its the same who went out of his to write this into the game.
>>4028412Suselle broke some people.
>>4028420Can't wait to obliterate this cute lizard in Chapter 7 (B Side)
>>4028418>Kris self insertersI'm not a self-insert as Kris. I just want Kris to be happy with Noelle.
>>4028396i put the blank chart up there if anyone wanted to add people or had different feelings on how everyone interacts. have fun with it!
>>4028427Would you still support/enjoy Kriselle if Kris was confirmed to be a girl?
>>4028434nta but I'd just impregnate them both.
>>4028397I don't think that's it, anon. How would Flowery know how Susie behaved at school?
>>4028434Yeah, but I'd definitely love kriselle less because I hate dykeshit.
>>4028427That's infinitely more pathetic. Video games exist to be mastered, conquered and eventually molded to your liking, and so do their denizens. Gifting a 100/10 vessel of destruction with the hottest personality in the history of video game characters to a mentally ill kid who has spent five chapters seething and sabotaging you is the single most cucked thing a person in your position could ever do.
Oh, this is it, the Weird Route exclusive conversation with Gerson.
>>4028439VesselCHAD...
>>4028447What a fucking Chad Gerson is
>>4028447>is it, the Weird Route exclusive conversation with Gerson.Isn't nowhere tied to the forgotten man?There's so many little plotlines in this game you have to pay attention to
>>4028447>Confirms that Kris has feelings for Noelle.>Urges him not to give up on her.>Confirms that WR is the way to go for things to end up all right.Is this the most blatant confirmation that Weird Route is not just Genocide 2.0?
>>4028446Anon, I'm sorry, I can't help but feel empathy for people. I'm not a sociopath. Kris acts this way for a reason, not just for the sake of it.
>>4028447If things go... cold, huh
>>4028441Alphys talks to AsgoreAsgore talks to flowersFlowery is a flower
>>4028455No, I am 100% certain this specific dialogue from Gerson occurs only on the Weird Route. This one I checked myself.>>4028459Funnily enough this might also be taken as reference to Noelle distancing herself due to Susie in the Normal Route, though I think it's more of an allusion to the fact we're skipping an entire chapter.
>>4028439Based and true.
>>4028294You know what else was inspired by David Lynch? My reaction to chapter 5.
>>4028461>No, I am 100% certain this specific dialogue from Gerson occurs only on the Weird Route. This one I checked myself.Oh I'm not saying it doesn't, just that nowhere is strongly connected to EGG MAN from the chapter 3 egg side questSo the fact you get this dialogue from saying nowhereis strange.
>>4028457>Kris acts this way for a reasonYes, he is both unfamothably stupid and mentally ill, which is why his first instinct upon being implanted with an extradimensional being of power is to refuse to talk to it at all and occasionally actively piss it off. There is "victim of circumstances" and then there's "does his best to win Darwin's award". Fuck this retard.>I can't help but feel empathy for people. I'm not a sociopath.What the fuck are you doing on this website?
>>4028445Amazing, Kriselle is so good that if it is Yuri it would still have fans among the yurihaters.
>>4028447I'm glad things are going to be all right in the end
>Thinking the Weird Route will end good for Kris or Noelle or for literally anyone else that isn't a cartoony red Heart
>Thinking any route will end good for anyone but gass ter
Alternative thread to talk about Deltarune on /vg/ that is NOT /utg/:>>>/vg/575501724
>Thinking any route will end good
I'm not kidding when I say this is probably the best place I found in this god forsaken website to discuss bullshit like theories about this game.
CattiKris and CattiElle are both better ships
>Thinking any route will end
>>4028480Susan...
>>4028472I don't see people talk about this but a huge part of deltarune is playing around with undertale's concepts and subverting themso having the fucked up route resulting in a slightly better ending than normal would fit that.>>4028475No offence but I would rather just vrpg at this ratevg is too fast and cancerousattracts way too many schizos.
>>4028480Yeah. Wouldn't it be best if they all just went on forever?
>>4028483>The gimmick for Chapter 7 is AI generated content so that every route can go on ForeverBravo Tobias
>>4028465It's a reference to the lake in CH5. Kris and Noelle are going out of bounds, so "nowhere."
>>4028486Chapter 7 content is every single youtube video that gets uploaded about deltarune from now on until the end of time
>>4028486Touhou already did that
>>4028475That's just extremely retarded and I'm not using it.
>>4028486Flowery intro definitely looked AI-generated to me. Tenna's backgrounds from chapter 3 also looked rather sussy.
>>4028455Yeah, it is. Could emphasize eggs make it "Alright" even through the weird route. Egg man is "Nowhere" and you're "Going Nowhere" in 3 and 5. To find the egg in 3 you "Go nowhere", and in 5, you're going "Nowhere" because there's nothing there.
>>4028499You can't get the egg on CH5 of the Weird Route.
>>4028500That could emphasize the abortion route, need those eggs.
>>4028502As pointed out by a different anon, it's about entering the lake and crossing the game's boundaries with Noelle. They're literally going nowhere (on the map).
Reminder December Holiday has shoes in her closet. Reindeer don't wear shoes. Which means she's a human.
Reminder December Holiday is a NERD.
>>4028506they can wear shoes thoughkris wore horns, think about it
>>4028497How so?
>>4028463For me, it lasted for about a week. A "thanks I hated it" moment. Though the Saturday after chapter 5 released... I was outside, alone, beneath lavender fields, for the first time in years, like watching an forgotten friend alive and well. I felt very emotional for the time being. Thanks for reading my blog.
>>4028506"shoes fit for hooves"
>>4028300It gives off those vibes, Toby has only specifically mentioned Flowey being inspired by Face but The Angel, as you say Red, and recently Acacius have reminded be of some things in Deltarune.
>>4028475lole, it's already full of fetish shityou just cannot salvage /vg/
>>4028520It's the 1st thread, /utg/troons will get bored and leave for their own shithole eventually.
>>4028475>>4028520I found /trash/ threads surprisingly decent, aside from their ridiculous feud between each other. But then again, even /pol/ was a better place to discuss Deltarune than /v/ and /vg/
>>4028530there won't be a second thread
>>4028520OF COURSE OF COURSE. OF COURSE THEY ARE THE SAME.
Finally I've finished my third save. Now I never have to play chapter 5 ever again. Fuck Mew Mew's bomb attack btw
>>4028546At least it becomes infinitely easier in phase 3
>>4028546That's the fun move thoughever
>someone complaining on /v/ about us getting kicked off again>within the first 20 posts someone has unironically said twitter threads are more vidya relatedi don't know why you guys are even arguing with them anymore, they clearly enjoy the sewage they bathe in
>>4028560just stop going there and stay here
>>4028441The same way Flowery knows about Ralsei's room in Castle Town being completely barren if you've never entered it in Chapter 4 or 5, he's a cheating bastard who's figured out a lot of things through his intuition of how Dark Worlds work.
>>4028546They're gonna add an option to nerf the bomb attack next update, I wonder what it will be.
>>4028573Some combination of damage scaling, added delay before bombs explode, and proper highlights to show where the danger zones are like there is for the big bombs.
>>4028575I'm honestly looking forward to it because I'm gonna replay Chapter 5 several times and I do not want to go through the same pain again.
>>4028573It’s called playing the normal-non-crystal route
real talk when in 2027 do you think chapter 6 will drop? will it be an early release? or are we slogging until next summer?i want REAL PLOT god dammitthis vagueposting cocktease shit has got to STOP
>>4028642People are very optimistic but I still expect a Q2 2027 release. Probably earlier that June though.
>>4027743I don't think its false flags I just think Deltarune posters don't use /vprg/ for anything else so we're not used to the concept of a board where you don't make a new thread when the old one is at bump limitmods don't seem to care here anyways its not like they're deleting them. But I'd discourage spamming threads regardless.
I wish Dragon Blazers was real
>>4028642>this vagueposting cocktease shit has got to STOPdamn straight. I'm hoping all the ways the game has set up the next two chapters are going to make for a much more interesting experience.
>>4028669https://drmelon.itch.io/mantlehttps://gamejolt.com/games/soulblazers/1069233https://store.steampowered.com/app/1160690/Dragon_Blazers/
>>4028420>"as if in imitation"This poor fucking kid has the hots for the dinosaur BADDDDD
>>4028675we already know this in a aborted weird route exclusive convokris, for all his flirting expertise, can only blurt out "Susie good" after all of his spaghetti
>>4028642I wonder if 6 and 7 will drop together.If 6 is "Short", they might be paired and be a Christmas release.If it's not short, it'll probably be spring. Toby's said it's one of the shortest they've had to dev, and it was 11 months between 3+4 and 5, so, sub 11 months for 6. Maybe 7 months.I mostly just want Toby in the annoying dog costume to do the 6 7 motion announcing Deltarune's finale and for it to be relevant to the plot with Gaster.
>>4028681if 7 is huge I could see it taking 2 years since we know the "11 years" thing that egg man said
>>4028678Irrelevant since this is a NTR game now, Toby said.
>>4028684i mean if you're enough of a faggot, this can be anything ig
>>4028685I'm not the one forcing Suselle down your throat. It's a canon event.
Eggs-husband
>>4028686well then you should at least be happy because the knight always slays the dragon
>>4028534There's a feud? I thought they got along with each other just fine since they all stick to their turf./doe/ is comfy but it's basically a self-indulgent HMOFA general with a DR coat of paint and I love it.
>>4028686>canon eventNot in Side B, doomfag.
>>4028692WR is not the canon route.
So what's the consensus on Susie going from clueless about Noelle liking her on Ch4 to full yuri mode in Ch5. Is it Toby being a filthy hack fraud or him making a brilliant point about the "prophecy" and how it affects the heroes' free will?
>>4028698It ranges from Prophecy psy-op to Susie's true self being revealed - as foreshadowed by the Second Sanctuary spamming said love part - and trying to focus on love and delusion.
>>4028698Toby really doesn't give a shit that Deltarune canonically takes place over the course of like five days, it's the same accelerated character progression as Susie going from her closed-off bitch self in Chapter 1 who was only just barely starting to open up, to suddenly being an abrasive goofy fuck with a heart of gold in Chapter 2.
>>4028698it's not like noelle is exactly subtleYou're not really giving susie enough credit here - she's poorly socialized, that doesn't mean she can't figure out things eventually
>>4028700>Susie going from her closed-off bitch self in Chapter 1 who was only just barely starting to open up, to suddenly being an abrasive goofy fuck with a heart of gold in Chapter 2.To be fair Susie is weirdly written. Kris, Noelle and Ralsei keep the same personality in most chapters. Sure, they get bolder or more sarcastic, but the core is unchanged.Susie is a bully in Chapter 1, then the abrasive goof in Chapter 2 and 3, a shonen student in Chapter 5 and now a lovestruck idiot.I guess her "true" personality is being attention-starved?
>>4028338Ok but I hope he also makes a version where Kris is a girl
>>4028703Susie experiences "development" because she is the protagonist
>>4028703Are you kidding, Ralsei might be worse written than Susie>Chapter 1: Goes from being super duper nice to realizing he might have to be serious>In 2 and 3 he goes back to being uwu cute because that's what people want to see>In 4 he gets serious>Then suddenly in 5 he's weirdly cruel (what is his beef with orange?)
>>4028708His "evolution" made sense to me.>already coping in C1, only conceding that pure pacifism isn't an option when King betrays him>ultra doormat in 2 & 3 to cozy up to Kris and keep Susie content>frantic in 4 because the panels expose his chronic lying tendencies and he wants Susie & Kris to think it's lighthearted adventures forever>pissed off in 5 because he built his whole nice guy persona around "this is how it ought to be" and the flower world clash with that worldview
>>4028708>What's her name, Marigold the Giant Rat? Asshole Ralsei had his moments
>>4028708>>4028711He's also projecting his own self-loathing onto the flowers because he's seeing things pretending to be something they aren't with none of his baggage, even in spite of the fact Plantners are among some of the biggest knowers in Deltarune's world and should be crushed with similar or greater knowledge than what Ralsei's been born with. Instead these niggas started dreaming, suddenly had minds to know a lot, and proceeded to not give a shit so they could LARP as humans.
Ralsei is pretty shit in chapter 2. He's just sorta there for the ride up until he has his one line about the Roaring. Like the swan boat bit is nothing, he's there but there's no value to it.
>>4028715He wants to keep things as boring and inoffensive as possible.
>>4028698love will find its way to the girl however that ends up happening, i think even if the girl was noelle or something it still would with krisi think susie dying is gonna be the final tragedy anyway so kris isnt gonna like date her
>>4028708Ralsei is the one character where I put my hands on the fire for Toby's writing. I'm 100% sure all of this is intentional. You're supposed to pick up that he knows a hell of a lot more than he lets on and he's trying his hardest to keep you knowing only as much as you need to complete each step of the mission
>>4028703>I guess her "true" personality is being attention-starved?I would say affection-starved.
>>4028698The progression from>Kris who should come with us to the festival: Noelle or Ralsei?>Hey Noelle wanna hang out tomorrow? Oh yeah guess it's the festival haha>Kris this is my super serious date with Noelle who is my girlfriend now, please third wheel for usIs really confusing. I was definitely on the side of Susie being friendshippilled and not caring about dating anyone before chapter 5.
>>4028550The big bombs are easy but if you cannot TP MAX fast enough, stay high HP and have all your members UP which you need for Mega and GigaFlirt then the normal bomb attack can absolutely wipe your team
>>4028726I think a big part of why she's suddenly pivoting to Noelle is because she had her fantasy of Kris's enviable home life shattered by the end of Chapter 4, walking him home to find out Toriel's completely wasted and dicking around with that skeleton bastard she can't stand.Sure, Carol sucks ass in Susie's eyes, but she's usually so busy with work that Noelle basically has the whole manor to herself most the time since Rudy's busy slowly dying in the hospital, and dodging Carol probably seems like a worthy endeavor since that's straightforward compared to figuring out how to reason with a drunkard.
>>4028698Susie merely pretended to be clueless around Kris out of embarassment. This is the version Toby is going to go with and if you don't see it coming with the clues that's your fault.
>>4028703>Ralsei keeps the same personality across chaptersKek
>>4028713There's a fine line between character development and character assasination and I think they went for character assassination here. Am I supposed to believe these facesets are expressions of the same Ralsei as Chapter 1-2?
>>4028566I love how Flowery sneakily points out to the player that he wishes there was a Pacifist Route. Which means there is no Pacifist Route in the game.Which in turn means the "Pacifist" flag in the game's files is fake and serves some other purpose.>>4028690>tfw you discover that the one and only porn scenario that's as good IRL as advertised by fiction is an oyakodon
>>4028700>>4028703>>4028706>>4028723No, anon, the one thing you have to realize is that she's been a delusional LARPer since Day 1.Aside from her shifting personalities so quickly, my #1 evidence is that we're 5 chapters deep and know literally nothing about her life.Everyone and their mother anticipates either "her parents are dead/left" or "she's from an abusive family." If that were the case Toby wouldn't be hiding it for so long.I think it will turn out she has a normal, boring family and lead a normal, boring life, and has been play-acting as this rebel bully at school. She's always been a schizo.
>>4028731It's not even that - with Noelle she switched tactics and intends for her to live with Susie in their little fantasy world.
>>4027478Contrarily to popular belief a lot of people here like doomed yuri or just yuri in general
>>4028738Anon, when we talk to Asgore in CH5 he outright said that Ralsei's appearance is fake. We actually don't know what he looks like.Which means those facial expressions might be his real appearance surfacing.
>>4028748Honestly the fact Toby greenlighted a gazillion Ralsei facesets is worrying for two reasons. First, he has no spine and cannot tell his team no because some of those sprites are fugly. Second, he is not going to do a redo of Flowey isn't he? Inb4 the anomaly is Asriel dust yet again.
>>4028749I think it's no accident that so many of his new faces are so uncanny, especially in connection with Asgore's and Flowery's comments on Ralsei.
>>4028692>>4028686Suselle isn't a thing on 2 out of 3 routes.
Let's face it: We're never going back to /v/.
>>4028752you're gonna have to learn to not post aislop or respond to bait in /utg/
>>4028749>>4028750I'm wholly convinced Ralsei's exact "impossibility" is that he's of the same pure darkness as Titans and Titan Spawn (fear itself made manifest without a physical object tied to it, maybe it'd be some technicality like "fear of the prophecy" to make his existence the ultimate cruel irony), but he somehow gained sapience, compassion and restraint. That'd explain why he's able to exist in all Dark Worlds without issue, and also addresses the "if he's a small object, why doesn't Kris just put him in his pocket and take him out so he can experience the festival by technicality?" question because pure darkness doesn't have a real Light World form.
>>4028752We will once the next newsletter comes out.
>>4028750Look I get it that you want everything about Deltarune to be perfect but by that logic Susie is brainwashed by the prophecy, Toby is a God among humans, and so on. That Ralsei being literally multifaceted is no accident I agree but nothing will make me forgive the awful mockery of the chapter 1 facesets or a few other stinkers like the question mark ones, on top of changing artstyles. If a new chapter makes me second guess whether I am in fact playing the same game as before then it's no good.
>>4028761After what happened to the janny shitpost thread? Severely doubt it, it's gonna be on-sight no matter what the circumstances are.
did you guys really think the new ralsei faces were ugly
>>4028764Ralsei has been ugly since the moment he took off his hat. so yes
>>4028763I will keep making threads no matter what.
>>4028764Ralsei was always ugly
>>4028764They’re fine toby, now get back to work
>>4028762>Susie is brainwashed by the prophecyNo, I think >>4028742, that Susie has been delusional since the game started.
>>4028774She's half-delusional because that's who she is at her core, half-delusional because she broke out of her script and became the second hero, when originally she was supposed to be the Berdly of Chapter 1 (minor antagonist who gets major character development, then in all chapters after becomes a minor Light World character who never does anything else).That's also why she's so wildly different between Chapter 1, Chapters 2-3, Chapter 4 and Chapter 5, because it's basically having to create a brand new Susie from the ground up each time and bullshit a character progression for a character who was supposed to peak at Chapter 1 and then be relegated to gags and flavor text for the entire rest of the game.
Susie is the original second hero. The only hero that doesn't belong is Kris (for obvious reasons)
>>4028775I think it's even simpler, that she's an actual schizo who's been LARPing in her own life before the events of the game ever began.That's why her personality is so inconsistent between chapters - because she's literally playing one.
>delusionalShe is a female teenager. These are different things
>>4028781I would agree, but Toby has been hiding her real-life information for too long. There's an obvious twist waiting there.And since EVERYONE expects her real life to be shitty, the only twist that makes sense is that no, she has a normal life, normal home, normal parents.
>>4028787The twist is that her adoptive father is the Forgotten Man.
>>4028787Look no further than her whole "There's nothing that pisses me off more... than people who don't tell you the whole deal." line in Chapter 3, she's an utter hypocrite who lives on "standards for thee, but not for me" because if she were honest about her situation, it would completely destroy her image.
>>4028789The twist is that her adoptive father is Papyrus
>>4028791Based?
>>4028789>>4028791That would change absolutely nothing about how players view her.Meanwhile >>4028787 >>4028779 would paint her either as a gigantic hypocrite and further cement she won't let go of the Dark Worlds or, more likely, would reveal she's insane.
>>4028741>>tfw you discover that the one and only porn scenario that's as good IRL as advertised by fiction is an oyakodonWhat?
>>4028794Well it would change something because it reveals she's somewhat connected to Gaster bullshit.
>>4028794Everyone already knows she's a hypocrite, it's just that until the truth comes out they're pitying her because they're currently imagining her homelife is dealing with two Marty Armstrongs because she hasn't made any implications of what it's like aside from "urghhhhh i barely get food".
>>4028796Ehh... I don't think so. We already have two characters who clearly know more about what's going on than they let on.
>>4028798It also fully takes away from the fact Susie's meant to be the audience surrogate, she's just as clueless as we are and is the main vehicle by which we're going to learn about Dess, THAT DAY and other backstory things since everyone else in Hometown already knows that it doesn't bear repeating otherwise given how much of a dark stain it is on the town's history and the psyches of many of its residents.
>>4028794Would Toby truly make her that unlikable? You don't see a lot of Susiefags these days..
>>4028795This anon is saying that they had sexual intercourse with a mother and her daughter (or daughters) at the same time. The implication is that it's as pleasurable an activity as it seems to be from fictional works with this dynamic.
>>4028800Probably not. He likes Susie too.
>>4028796Susie's dad was gaster but then he disappeared and then she didn't remember him any more and that's why she lashes out because her mind's a mess and her brain's filled with holes
>>4028800To me it's blindingly obvious that Susie is a villain in the making.After all, at the end of the day ALL Dark Fountains will need to be closed. You really think she will want to let go of Castle Town? She literally moved in there permanently, and now wants to drag her "girlfriend" there as well... after a single day.
>>4028801Daughter, singular. The most insane, depraved, toxic and unhealthy relationship I've ever had. Ruined my next two relationships in the aftermath. My penis misses it dearly.
>>4028800Everyone likes susie, she's the best characterexcept the trannies who like krisand the furries who like noelleand the gay furries who like ralseiand based berdly chadsand
>>4028803*My full name?*Oh it's...uhm...*Damn. I must have forgotten, man.
Reminder that Susie is the only character so far who drastically changed from what he originally envisioned in 2014-2015, at least from what he's shown us so far.Her not being fully honest about herself is going to be crucial character drama and complete the fact that no one in the Shit Squad is actually being honest with each other.Kris is literally colluding with Knight and refuses to let Susie know about (You) despite the fact you're the most important part of this whole operation, Ralsei is still hiding shit about himself and what he does and doesn't know, and Susie's entire presentation is one big lie.
>>4028642If they're actually skipping weird route 6 I believe it could be early next year, the prophecy has a bad ending, Noelle's dad is dying or dead, she's an unhinged seething mass shooter in the making that hates her shitty hometown, the game encourages you to not attack anything and 5 ends with inviting the person with proclivities towards violence to the free XP world. Normal chapter 7 could end very shortly. Game done by 2028.
>>4028809>Susie's entire presentation is one big lieAhhhhTrans Susie. The tail was a penis all along
>>4028810I unironically think that every chapter will have a Side B and that we're going to be playing through them in reverse order starting from CH7. The achievement names are a big hint this will be the case.
>>4028812>The achievement names are a big hint this will be the case.qrd?
>>4028809i meankris and ralsei kinda had their designs as freebies following undertale. Susie's the original character and not a rip-off.
>>4028800I wouldn't really say she's unlikeableImagine if you go from the local shithead to being the chosen one who's fated to fall in love. But also you're destined to have a terrible tragic fateThere's a cocktail of mixed emotions she's going through right now and it reflects in how erratic she can be.
>>4028812Technically after Chapter 2 every Chapter has a variation when doing the Weird Route. Chapter 3 has the ERAM dialogue that's added.
>>4028813https://deltarune.wiki/w/AchievementPAIN 1-ACONSUMER 1-AARMOR 3-AAnd so on.>>4028817I know, but only CH7 so far has an official "Side B."
>>4028795Apologies for this, but here's some visual aid of what that anon basically did.https://files.catbox.moe/xrjorb.png
>>4028818They all are official Side B, it's the code name for the Weird Route.The only Chapters that don't have a B side are Chapter 1 (where you could tecnically count the violence ending as a different Side) and Chapter 6 (who we skip in the Weird Route).
>>4028810Chapter 6's main conceit is that it has to juggle at least three major diversions when it comes to Weird Route fuckery. Aborted Weird (Chapter 2), Aborted Weird (Chapter 4), and "Aborted" Weird (Chapter 5).2 will probably be the one that lets you get the Twisted Sword and Noelle actually handles things stably and maturely because you helped push her character development even further than the normal route without taking her over the event horizon of Snowgraving Berdly, 4 is where Noelle has a bad breakdown because she has to contend with the reality that she put Berdly in a coma (either an early end or a "we're so fucked" variation of things to come), and 5 is where she starts icing motherfuckers in a desperate bid for the freedom you denied her, practically guaranteeing an early ending.
>>4028816Nah, she's a parasite.The nanosecond she thinks a given person can't give her what she wants, she cuts them off.As soon as she found out Toriel is a drunken whore she stopped coming over to Kris's house and seems to have lost a lot of interest in him, as well.Literally the very next chapter she's suddenly "always had a crush" on Noelle. Only now she's not trying to become part of her home, but instead wants to drag her into her own Dark World.And by the end of CH5 on the Normal/Aborted route she's literally closing the door in Kris's face.
>>4028818Isn't side b what the weird route is specified as in the code?
>>4028642So far previous two release dates were revealed to me in dreams with startling accuracy (the error was less than a month in both cases). I'm pretty sure I'll predict chapter 6 release this way.
>>4028819The biggest nut of my life was when she whispered into my ear to "give her a little brother."
>unused noelle dialog shows that she doesn't know who flowery isEven in a world where Noelle is the second hero she doesn't go to the Flower King dark world. Maybe it's just Ralsei and Kris
>>4028822I think it's the exact opposite.Aborted (CH2) is the opening for the Twisted Sword Route, which will be the actual Genocide Route of the game.Aborted (CH4) is where Noelle has the biggest meltdown, because she has all the baggage of the Weird Route without any of the hope and knowledge that comes with it.Aborted (CH5) is what I think will lead to the True End of the game. For Noelle it will be a simple realization of "Oh, so it WAS real." After which she leaves to find Kris. The question being will Susie LET her leave.
Ralsei is being possessed by ERAMERAM's true identity is Dess who somehow managed to turn into this form that lets her "live" in Dark Worlds foreverERAM possesses Ralsei and is the voice in his head telling him to FireShock everyone and he's desperately trying not to lose his temper and be nice to people as to not feed into it. It's like the Pink fight, but if Maddie and Mew Mew were completely incompatible. If he were to let go, he could lose control forever. ERAM is the Chara in Asriel's mind telling him to kill everyoneDuring the sword route stuff ERAM temporarily left Ralsei to go mess with KrisI don't know if it's related, but according to cheese theory, Kris can be likened to being a mouse. And Ralsei will not stop insulting Orange, just as how Dess always abused KrisOf course that does make Kralsei a little interesting. And if the Kriselle Knight is true, then Noelle swoons her older sister
I don't want to have 7 different fucking saves, so I'm going to lie to myself and believe that all aborted routes lead to the same path
>>4028830Possibly, I think it all depends on whether or not we can use the Twisted Sword for good rather than purely for evil. Gerson seems to imply the best outcome requires us to be unconventional rather than purely following any paths, and Punishment Cage B is said to be only slightly better than Punishment Cage A.
>>4028821>>4028824We can't just be relying on variable names for this stuff, for all we know its just labelled that because that's how you get to Side BWhat we do know is that the achievements show there should be a B side to everything, even chapter 1
>>4028833Yeah, but Gerson also says pic related to Kris on the Weird Route - and you have to be on the Weird Route, Aborted doesn't count
>>4028834I don't doubt there may be some shenanigans related to older chapters, but I highly doubt there will be enough effort put into adding content to them afterwards. If it's already taking as much as it does to just push some chapters out, at best you'd get some 20 minute shit like chapter 5 weird route. I think you're setting your expectations a little bit high.
>>4028832It's all conjecture anyway so you don't have to think of it as a lie
>>4028832you're going to need 3 saves for each route just based on the Pizzapants factor
>>4028835If things go cold, that is noelle freezes the whole fucking town, you might think your whole world is ending indeed.But things go on, just keep living.
>>4028840No, I think Noelle, on some route, will freeze Castle Town. She has no interest in Hometown, though, one way or another.
>>4028835>>4028840>>4028842The way I see it, Gerson's recognizing that even if the world itself is fucked, Kris and Noelle still have a way to find their own happiness, (You) just have to fully commit to the path you've chosen even if Kris doesn't yet see it.That's why it's "slightly better", you're guaranteeing the utmost happiness for two at the expense of two entire worlds, whereas the worlds will be saved on the normal route but everyone is likely to be miserable due to the fated tragedy and whatever suicidal boner Kris pulls with the buttercup seeds when he inevitably does not get his perfect outcome.
>Vessel comes back>kicks (You) in aorta >does not responds to any commands or button presses>does whatever he wantsthen Kris ambushes him, snatches (You) back and gives you (You) a warm hug
>>4028843>whatever suicidal boner Kris pulls with the buttercup seedsYou'd think after chapter 1's ending people would recognize red herrings when they see themIt'll just make a bunch of mini flowerys in castle town
>>4028844And why would he do that?
>>4028844Get off the computer Kris.
>>4028846Flowers can't survive in darkness, it'd be stupid to try and grow new flowers in an environment. that all but guarantees their death.Meanwhile we already know Kris has been eaten up by guilt and self-loathing ever since THAT DAY to the point he's denying himself his own love for Noelle in order to keep her safe from the prophecy's final tragedy, and is so desperate he's also put all his stakes into this whole "work with the Knight and undergo the burden of letting a being from a plane of existence beyond comprehension hijack my body and life to achieve ????" gambit in hopes that it'll create the perfect ending, somehow.
>>4028847because kris is a tsundere little cactus
>>4028843Whatever it is I don't grow tired of people telling me that there's no way the recruiting everyone route doesn't end in happy shit just because too much effort was put on developing it.
>>4028846
>>4028851Flowery outright tells you:>there is no pacifist route>this is a story where your own happiness will be at the cost of someone else's>also says the hearts of the fun gang are made of stoneSo no, I don't think RECRUITing everyone will end well.The most interesting theory I've read is that Susie will throw their much harder versions at you when Kris will attempt to delete Castle Town. So you're setting yourself up for more difficult battles at the end.
>>4028850I don't think you would want a hug from a cactus...
>>4028831So in this theory, Dess was always just a psycho..?I like the troubled girl take better. Not the best person, but also not a total monster.
>>4028855But I'm not Kris. Just put the soul in Susie and I have the tactical advantage
>>4028855>getting stronger outside of Weird Route is a pointless endeavor because your stats keep resetting to their new baselines every chapter>if you have to seal Castle Town, then you'll be able to make yourself as powerful as possible for Vs. Susie (Reprise) by LOSTing all of your recruits across all of the chapters prior
>>4028859Finally a good fucking theory
I dont feel like the game should have forced the meta shit on you during the normal gameplay the way it did in ch5. it would be like if the game expected you to fight genocide sans on the neutral route of undertale
>>4028855>>4028859Kino beyond comprehension, and I have a good feeling that's more or less what we're going to get.
My weird route save is all fucked up, I have ch1 and ch3 recruits (lanino and elnina)
>>4028865Based. That way when you come back from the depths you'll have far more darkners to beat up on your way to seal the Grand Fountain.
>>4028855Aint that the same chapter that didnt even let you attack flowery?
>>4028867Yes, because Susie and Ralsei wanted to prove Flowery wrong that they WERE friends and a real team, just like him and the other flowers, and could beat him "their way".Presumably in this "Castle Town must be sealed" scenario there won't be any snags like that aside from "don't kill anyone", and Ralsei will inevitably follow Kris no matter what while ensuring that one condition of someone dying can never happen because he won't let you use FireShock.
>>4028856when did you start being yourself?
>>4028855>trusted Flowey againYou didn't learn anything from Undertale, didn't you?
>>4028868doubt it. i think forced pacifism is here to stay.I must say, from the bottom of my heart...FUCK THAT SHIT.Undertale did not force me to play pacifist once. It did not force me to engage with the meta cheating Sans or the shit dating sim sections or the unhittable amalgamates to see the credits.
The final prophecy is all three heroes dying to stop the Roaring.
>>4028872Of course Undertale didn't do that, your choices actually mattered there.
>>4028872>Chapter 1 lets you beat Jevil and King however you want (it's actually FASTER to deplete King's HP if you're good at resource management and have the Devilsknife) with no consequence>Chapter 2 lets you beat Spamton NEO however you want and fight to break Queen's acid shields faster, and you have no choice BUT to fight GIGA Queen>Chapter 3 lets you kill characters in MANTLE with no consequence and you can beat Tenna however you want (even makes it so fighting is hilariously optimal if you did Sword Route since Kris is doing insane damage), fighting is the ONLY way to get Knight's crystal>Gerson encourages you to fight instead of defending to spam Rude Buster/Heal since he's dodging everything anyway, Titan can ONLY be defeated by fightingChapter 5's just an outlier because Flowery directly challenged everything the heroes stand for, making Susie and Ralsei want to prove themselves for the sake of looking like the better team with nobler goals, and Pink's another outlier because she's supposed to show how ungodly powerful (You) and Kris will become when you finally start getting along and get in full sync, just like how you literally can't damage or kill Pink.
>>4028875and alongside that, Weird Route has some of the highest damage possible in the game through SnowGrave and IceShock
>>4028872>doubt it. i think forced pacifism is here to stay.Honestly, on what grounds?Even from the get go there's shit that cannot be solved.Dess is still missing or dead. There's a whole bunch of weird shit in Kris's/Noelle's past no one knows about.Noelle wants out. The game is directly telling you this. She wouldn't be just "happy" in her "happy town" eating dragon pussy.Weird shit is happening around the festival without you doing anything about it.Kris's dad gets absolutely cucked.Kris can barely function without a SOUL. There's a lot of fractured shit that cannot just be taken back. It's all about "moving on".Preventing the roaring is sealing the fountains.At best you're getting bittersweet bullshit.In both Undertale and Deltarune, you're supposed to prove an initial statement wrong.In Undertale, "In this world, it's kill or be killed". You prove that wrong through pacifism.In Deltarune, "No one can choose who they are in this world. Your choices don't matter". The only ways you've ever been able to prove this wrong, were by getting away from what's deemed as "pacifism". You have a different goal.
>>4028877>Kris's dad gets absolutely cucked.well i mean he kinda has to suck it up, that's a bit where things are at. Go fuck a ghost already
I know it's sort of a foregone conclusion considering you retards have been doing this for years now.But don't you ever get tired of making autistic ritual posts blathering about how the only good ending Toby could make for Deltarune being making the people that actually like the game murder all the characters they care about and then pretending to be other people agreeing that's totally a good idea?
>>4028877And even then, ALL of that you just laid out is irrelevant to Gaster. All he wants is for (You) to help him create a new future for HIS DELTARUNE, and he doesn't seem to particularly care what that looks like. In fact, he openly encourages trying to do impossible things, like beating Knight in Chapter 3 to try and avert the apocalypse with a definitive extremely early victory.
>>4028876You mean the Iceshock that was taken away for 5 literal years and deliberately skimped out on it for chapter 5?>>4028875Yeah, chapter 5 should not have done that. It broke the pace of the last fight to an unreal degree.>>4028877On the grounds that Toby Fox made it so Jack died if you killed the Titan Spawn.If people defended that, he can get away with anything.
>>4028881So what?If I wanted you to walk and I could challenge you by telling you you won't fucking have the cojones to do it. That would be a motivator to get you unstuck from being a docile little fucking rat that behaves always the same uninteresting way.I am gaster and I'm telling you to entertain me and prove me wrong instead of giving a fuck about a dragon.
>>4028881The game kind of forgot about all of that when it brought you to the actual game and expected you to play it like a game.
>>4028883>On the grounds that Toby Fox made it so Jack died if you killed the Titan Spawn.If people defended that, he can get away with anything.That was a genuine oversight that got fixed not too long ago, anyone who argued that was intentional was baiting for engagement. It just takes Toby awhile to fix these things for whatever reason, Chapter 3+4 had Closet Kris who took way too long to get fixed so everyone was wondering if it was a deliberate hint towards the mystery of what happened to our vessel, or if Kris Knight was still possible somehow.
Imagine if that ghost decided to possess Tenna, and all the characters thought it was normal. That's what happened with a last shadow crystal fight, and its just fucking gross.
>>4028886This was never fixed either. One simple '%' where it didn't belong. I fixed in in 30 seconds, Toby Fox and all his men couldn't do it in 5 years.
>>4028800She's only disliked by self inserters and shippers
>>4028890Cant imagine why a normal ass person wouldn't like the cuck chairdont sell that shit to kids
>>4028800He made Noelle unlikeable so I wouldn't exclude it for Susie
>>4028885Because the game doesn't know that, since (You) and Gaster exist on a layer above the game. But Gaster's still there, always observing, helping you manage your save files, offering a shortcut on the Knight fight, and giving you that whole MY DELTARUNE monologue at the end of Chapter 4.
>>4028799I really hate how everything has to be all SUSIE SUSIE SUSIESome fucking adventure, eh?
>>4028893She's only unlikable on the normal route though, she's wife material on the weird route when you allow her to start rekindling her connection with Kris and do all the things she's only dreamed of doing.
>>4028892You're self inserting so you feel like a cuck
>>4028894I didnt fight the knight. I just want to finish the game, without the shite attached
>>4028897I'm still not gay, I'm not attracted to homosexuality, don't make me watch just to see the credits.
>>4028812That would justify 1 and 2 being a demo, because a quarter of a game is not a demo, a eight however... Or maybe I'm just coping.
>>4028900Then you won't create a new future, because there's something more important than reaching the end.
>>4028875If the Soul and a Vessel being in synch makes them so powerful they can't take damage does that mean everyone in the Weird Route is super uber fucked the Moment we get the Vessel made for us?
>>4028828Anon the LARP threads are over there on >>/b/ and >>/trash/
>>4028903When you are killing your players in the time it takes to make a finished product, there actually isn't anything more important that reaching the end. I have beaten every game I bought, I got each one for the express purpose of beating them, and I am within my legal rights to do that with my real money.
>>4028904Assuming the vessel hasn't developed into its own character, yes, it'll be just like if we got to play Deltarune as Frisk.
>>4028907so it would shove you into a first eprson perspective with worse graphics and combat?
>>4028907I mean Gaster says the Vessel has a mind of it's own, but it is shaped by us. Kinda like Frisk has a mind of their own but is very glad to do Geno.
I dont even like frisks design as much im not attached to the squat yellow guy because you dont even look at him half the time because the battles are all first person
>>4028857No, she just went insane from clinging onto fantasy too much. ERAM talks about everything as if it were a game>Kris... oh... Kris...>Is it fun, Kris?>Playing around like this...She's the perfect example of what Susie could become
>>4028895susie is the main character? It's like watching a 007 film and complaining about it having a lot of james bond
>>4028895What I find interesting is that here, Kris is tearing it as slowly as possible deliberately, since he just saw his dad get stolen by the very being he has to work with.He's questioning his loyalty.
>>4028915Why isnt Kris the main character. Hes the cool blue knight guy and i prefer his design and you actually get to play as himi play zelda to play as link and go on links adventure, not someone elses
>>4028839You just remembered me I forgot to trigger the Burgerpants scene in my Aborted 2 save file and pair him with Nice Cream guy
>>4028916Doesn't matter, if i mod this game, this is one of the first things to go, i hate this conspiracy shit with a passion and is not what i signed up for when i saw the original legend cutsceneI wanted an adventure, what is in that picture is tha exact opposite of an adventure.
You know, it is kind of fucked up to think about how many people can't tell what Noelle truly wants. It's grim
>>4028916>He's questioning his loyalty.That's what I figured the end of Chapter 4 was showing too. Whether those doubts remain after Chapter 5 itself though is hard to tell
>>4028919I dunno about you, but having someone else earn gym badges for you is unacceptable. Having Pokemon gyms just turn up out of the blue to stall for time is unacceptable.
>>4028919I CAME TO DELTARUNE WITH A MISSIONSEAL THE FOUNTAINS, KILL THE KNIGHT
>>4028919>gets invested in a game that spawned from a literal fever dream>gets mad when the fever dream is not consistent
>>4028916To me what's most interesting is the narration itself. As in the fucking textbox.
>>4028862That part was obviously ghostwritten
>>4028923It is a fucking video game, and I am exhausted with the bullshit. I was promised an adventure, and the game lied.>>4028924He sold the Legend of Delta Rune, I expected the Legend of Delta Rune. The game that is shown on the title screen when you boot up a chapter.
I don't know who would give a fuck about deltarune if you removed everything that wasn't the basic adventure.
>>4028925It's a complete tonal shift from how fiercely he attempts to defend the guitar in CH4, compared to the paper here in CH5. He's sniping you in Noelle's house, but suddenly he doesn't just immediately turn the paper into mush?>>4028921There's also that moment in CH3 where the Knight tried to steal Toriel, then AGAIN in CH4 (only to be thwarted by Toriel cancelling choir practice because of the rain, so she literally isn't in the Dark World). Kris was on board for Undyne, but likely wasn't all-in when it came to Toriel and Asgore, especially that he's had 5 whole chapters to become friends with Susie and Ralsei.
>>4028928I would. That original legend cutscene is what convinced me to get the game.
Is the real Crusader of Light in the thread with us?
>>4028873>the three lying pieces of shit get to dieGood
>>4028929>It's a complete tonal shift from how fiercely he attempts to defend the guitar in CH4, compared to the paper here in CH5. He's sniping you in Noelle's house, but suddenly he doesn't just immediately turn the paper into mush?No, not only that.I mean it's like the narration is trying to make him do that but slows down.
>>4028932This, the apocalypse is literally Kris's fault anyway because he's the reason Dess got raped in the dark and gave birth to the Knight.
>>4028930Dunno what to tell you anon. Go play Dragon Quest if you want something straightforward.
>>4028933>I mean it's like the narration is trying to make him do that but slows down.Pretty sure Kris is the one giving you the narration here, you have no control over this scene. Hell, the dude literally lets you read the entire code (0915199X), knowing you'll commit it to memory.After all, in Weird5, he doesn't give you ANY flavor text AT ALL. The slow narration is intentional on his part. They told him to tear the paper... but not how fast.
>>4028887Tenna and Mew Mew aren't THAT comparable when the former has years of experience with the Dreemurr and Holiday family while the latter was a recent gift to Asgore. If they WERE to (and honestly should've) question Pink it'd be for other reasons. Like the fact it's another Lightner who knows about the Dark Worlds, was this something Kris or Flowery factored in while doing their shit, what it has to say about our relationship with the little shit, or who even IS this ghost person.The possession itself isn't the biggest deal as its not like Mew Mew was unhappy with that arrangement. She didn't give a shit until she fell in love with Kris, and the FRIEND dialogue shows she can take control if she deems it necessary anyway.
>>4028880Bro I wouldn't even care about the game if Snowgrave and Sword route didn't exist, why are you blaming us for Toby's false advertising?
>>4028917what are you, an 8 year old guatemalan
>>4028935There has not been a new Dragon Quest in almost 10 years.
>>4028937So like some captured soldier being reeducated by the enemy and forced to write shit they don't agree with on principle
>>4028937why couldntt it, i dunno, just let you read the code yourselfit just feels like its just a moment to shock you
>>4028919Can you mod Ralsei's new faces out? Thanks.
>>4028944Moreso that he never truly agreed to this bargain. He doesn't have his original SOUL anymore, and depends on (You) for survival, just as we've seen at the start of Chapter 5 where he genuinely looks like a goddamn crawling zombie in the intro sequence. He's only following orders because he's got basically no other choice.>>4028946You specifically get to see the code in its entirety, before Susie sees it. Kris didn't let you see the guitar code to completion.
>>4028948what are you talking about, the thing almost gets destroyed before you see a single number
>>4028935>Go play a well-written game about traditional valuesBest advice in this thread sadly
>>4028948Your memory's not right at all. You only get to see "SHELTER" before Kris starts to slowly rip it up. Susie's the one who says the code for us.https://youtu.be/GnB9ONOp2Bw?si=RIZ9vdbUrwupyO3g&t=508
>>4028937Are you suggesting Kris is a paid actor for the theater of Deltarune or something?
>>4028951Coulda fuckin' sworn it was like that. Goddamn it.>>4028952Yes.
The Deltarune fanbase would unironically defend some other character winning gym badges for you.
>>4028953Can't wait for Dess' death to be explained and then Dess showing up at the curtain call at the end
>>4028955>she brings a finger to her mouth as if to tell the Player to keep quietTHIS DAMN BRAT
>>4028954>Finally, a strong rival character>This Pokémon entry is so good because its story was le subvertedIronically this is the kind of story Game Freak has been gravitating towards in recent Pokémon games and we all know how shit those are compared to the first entries
>>4028957Pokemon Emerald gave me more joy than anything in chapter 5. That's an adventure.
>>4028958>Probably THE most well regarded entry from one of the biggest money making video game franchises was more fun than single chapter of DeltaruneNo shit?????
>>4028958Maybe Toby Fox should retire from writing and become a full time Pokémon composer
BWAAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>4028958Yeah but Brendan/May are shitty rivals
Reminder that it needs to be Noelle's thing too.
>>4028951>before Kris starts to slowly rip it upWas it Kris ripping it up, with the SOUL intentionally slowing him down, or the opposite?
>>4028971>Look at Susie>Noelle, it looks like another enemy>Huh? Isn't that Susie?>Proceed>Huh?>Proceed*sound_ominous.ogg*
>>4028973I can't justify the opposite
>>4028973Kris being three entities theory is still alive
It's weird how the credits and especially battle music get reused for some chapters2 has the glitchy "don't forget" which fits the cyber world but not really the tv world. Every other chapter has a unique credits themeAnd 1, 2, and 3 all use Rude Buster while 4 and 5 have unique ones and I'm sure they'll be unique per chapter moving forward.3 should've just had Ruder Buster the whole way through at the very least
>>4028915>susie is the main character?Kill yourself. She stole that role. She's literally a nobody. Her true fate is to watch with bitter envy as Kris and Noelle's lives get better, as the Shadow Crystals show.
Reminder that Kris likes playing as Susie better anyway
>>4028980susie was the main character since the game came out. Chapter 1 was entirely susie focused with the exception of the stinger at the end of it
>>4028980I think you might be too mad at Susie.
>>4028984He's a shipper, anon. He's deranged
>>4028980>>4028983>>4028984I can practically bet money that the big reveal about Susie is that she's been a schizo LARPer from the start and that she's from a completely normal family with a normal life.
>>4028986that's not what a schizo is anon
>>4028986>>4028980>>4028983>>4028984>>4028987>cont.I think this is more or less her. Only she doesn't realize she's being herded as a replacement sacrifice.
>>4028986So basically a normal god fearing family with a dyke daughter
>>4028986>I can practically bet money that the big reveal about Susie is that she's been a schizo LARPer from the start and that she's from a completely normal family with a normal life.
>>4028971Hey I remember the rooms looking different Who moved the doors
>>4028989Or even just a family that doesn't pay much attention to her, but aren't some abusive monsters.My point is that she's constantly playing a character. Would also explain why she's so jealous of Kris - he leads a mysterious, adventurous life in a literal fantasy world. Notice that her losing herself in the Dark World is more than just "I need friends/validation." If that were the case, Kris and Noelle would've been enough for her in the real world. But the truth is she wants to live in a fantasy land where she can be a hero and go on colorful adventures. It's the perfect stage for someone like her.Ironically I think that seeing Toriel's real nature is what truly broke her connection to the real world completely.
>>4028990I ship Susie with the Larper theory anon.
>>4028992Ch4 end was truly a breaking point for her
>>4028881>ALL of that you just laid out is irrelevant to Gaster.lolSo you think that the character that has basically all the signs of the Devil is there to help you benevolently? He's a cruel scientist that uses his experiments to selfishly satisfy his desire, without consideration for the characters trapped in his experiments, the only person he cares about is (YOU), because he needs you. But if you care about the characters, with the right mindset, your goal is to rebel and find a way to banish him from existence and history. The way to this might be very convoluted, but I will find it, because Deltarune must be put to an end.
>>4029000Yeah, I really think this was the final straw for her fantasies about having a loving family and a warm home.Notice that it's also immediate after she "always had a crush on Noelle." Up until that moment I am 100% convinced she wanted to be together with Kris.
>>4028927>>4028930Looks like you forgot your first playthrough. You will never to get to live it again. Unless it's the second playthrough you wanted all along, then, as I said before, the fun begins after the first playthrough.
>>4028797She could just be an ultra poorfag, honestly. Poverty changes you for the worse, and sometimes it isn't even the parent's fault for it happening
>>4028809I think Toby just wanted to make her a more conflict prone character.>>4028800I'm not gonna say people can't find her unlikable but I like her flaws, they make her interesting.
>>4028979I hate Rude Buster so even remixed versions of it do nothing for me.From Now On is so much better.
>>4028960off-topic tangent but I'm still in awe at how tightly designed the GBA era is. I love HGSS to death but Emerald doesn't have THAT PART that makes playthroughs a chore. Feels like when GF made FRLG they got the closest to making a "pure" pokemon game.
>>4028752The janny will allow a thread once there's news.
>>4028913You just have bad taste in cute lolis, that's all.
So now YouTube theories are written with AI aren't they? They have no soul at all. I blame it on Toby mocking Mikefags.
>>4028929>There's also that moment in CH3 where the Knight tried to steal TorielIf Knight wanted to steal Toriel, she would've stolen Toriel. It's obvious she was just stalling for time waiting for Undyne's arrival. As for chapter 4, the real target was obviously Noelle, just like in chapter 2 - or the goal was something completely different, like getting Fun Gang to consult with Gerson, showing them the Prophecy or teaching them how to fight Titans.Don't forget that even Ralsei denies that Knight is the bad guy, and that whole "police... sacrifice..." is not a smoking gun either - if you really think that fragments of conversation taken out of context from evil-sounding phone call mean exactly what you first think they did, you have no idea how storytelling works.
>>4029029>>4028929Did people seriously not figured out yet the Knight is taking people per Kris's request and placing them in the Shelter to keep them safe ?
>>4029028>So now YouTube theories are written with AI aren't they?Most likely. Even if they aren't, they might as well be. To these people, Deltarune exists as a vehicle for pumping out endless FNAF-tier theory videos whilst being completely incapable of going beyond surface level observations or delving into its themes. The vast majority of youtube is normie cattle making slop for other normie cattle, so there's no reason for this to be any different.
>>4029038So I've watched another one and it's just a tranny seething at the fact that weird route exists at all. So these are your choices for YouTube video essays on Deltarune now, AI slop or tranny slop.
>>4029037I don't think it's necessarily by Kris' request, but it's pretty obvious there's no malicious intent, even Ralsei says as much. They are just put in time-out corner, maybe to prevent them from leaking the codes, maybe to keep the strongest fighters of Hometown safe and ready for whatever is coming up. In any case, Carol is the most obvious next target, as she is both the code holder and the strongest warrior.
>>4029037Let me guess, he is going to help shelter Toriel next, and then Alphys, and then, oh, I know, Sans and Papyrus??
>>4029041>So I've watched another one and it's just a tranny seething at the fact that weird route exists at all.Grim. This is the caliber of people who make up the mainstream fanbase. There was a video in the other DR thread of a woman having a full blown breakdown over the Ch. 5 lake scene and complained about it being "queer erasure" (ironically giving away that she subconsciously views Kris as male). I really have no idea how these "people" can look at the most interesting part of the game (WR) and hate it so much.
>>4029043>Kris>Wanting to keep Toriel or Sans safeAnon...
>>4029043There might be no need to, because at that point Carol may call for total evacuation to the shelter, despite it being engulfed by darkness.
>>4029041Link?
>>4029045But I would assume Kris cares about Toriel, I mean it's his mom>>4029046Carol isn't in Undertale, does that mean she couldn't make it?
>>4029044>There was a video in the other DR thread of a woman having a full blown breakdown over the Ch. 5 lake scene and complained about it being "queer erasure" (ironically giving away that she subconsciously views Kris as male).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-kqw2LmOUStart around 08:00.
>>4029044>I really have no idea how these "people" can look at the most interesting part of the game (WR) and hate it so muchbecause despite being the same group that would disparage you for getting invested in the characters (because it makes you a pedo somehow i guess), they are SO fucking invested themselves that even seeing them act the 'wrong' way is enough to give them conniptionskeep in mind the 'wrong' way is apparently liking characters they're not 'supposed' to, and acting closer to an actual person than a generic yuri stereotype
>>4029049There are several of those. Just look up any tranny talking about Weird Route or Kriselle Amalgam theory and their points amount to "Weird Route can't lead to anything cool it's supposed to be le super evil Route".
How much of a potekim village is hometown really? Is it just being isolated for a test or is it full sim? The former seems to be likelier to me but no one seems to be struggling with trying to leave hometown outside a couple schizos.
>>4029037>>4029046>Why would Carol not call for a general evacuationIs kind of my problem with the theory as well, if Kris is acting just to protect people why cna't he convince them to stay out of the way, or be honest.You only really hide things from people if you have something to hide, while both Carol and Asgore seem like they're investigating what happened to Dess, Asgore would want to protect Kris, and if Dess is the Knight Carol would want to protect her as well. The way I see it the Knight has to have some alternative motive somwhere that isn't just helping people or ending the world. Although it could always be something like the prophect requires a sacrifice and Kris and/or the Knight plan on being that sacrifice so then they wouldn't be telling others since the people they'd bring in on the plan would then try to sacrifice themselves in turn to spare Kris and the Knight.And honestly I just don't feel like the Knight and Kris are moving in lockstep, even if Kris mostly concede to the Knight's demands. Not to mention they have let Carol in on some stuff, given she knows about the soul, but the fact that she doesn't know the truth probably means she's being manipulated.>>4029052Why would they be evacuating to Undertale, there's a Dark World inside the shelter. They'd be moving there.
Do you think we'll get a knight rematch in chapter 6?This is my take>You are still meant to lose, but they're beatable this time>Win or lose the plot still doesn't change (typical fox bullshit) but you shatter the knight's helmet and get a good look at who they are as a reward for winning
>>4029037Yeah bro, just ignore the police sacrifice part.
>>4029059Kriselle Amalgam knight is dumb, but what do you mean by:>"Weird Route can't lead to anything cool it's supposed to be le super evil Route".This? Obviously since it's the super evil route nothing good is going to happen, but at the same time nothing good happening isn't the same thing as nothing cool happening. The genocide ending is pretty cool. Honestly these youtubers sound pretty stupid.
>>4029059I don't get why people think this when the Genocide route gave insight into flowey's character that recontextualizes them along with everything to do with Sans on that route. Leaning an upsetting truth about what happened to Dess that isn't necessary to know on the normal route is what I think will be part of it for that reason.
>>4029061I’m under the impression that it’s been metaphysically isolated because Alvin said that letters for Lord of the Hammer stopped coming in recently
Consider this:>Only those who fit the prophecy cannot leave Hometown normally>Asriel does not fit the prophecy, so he was able to leave for college just fine>Dess however fits into it somehow, so she wasn't able to leave - whether that's as THE KNIGHT WITH BLACKENED KNIFE or as one of the main roles that forced someone to send her to the code dimension so she couldn't fill it>Kris and Noelle obviously do, so their only option of leaving is going through the lake>Susie wouldn't be able to leave either, but she's not really interested in leaving
>>4029068>Obviously since it's the super evil route nothing good is going to happenThe game literally says that Ending B will be better than Ending A.Gerson also says to keep going and it "will be all right."
>>4029068It's a non-argument because Amalgam Knight theory could be true AND Weird Route where you play the game in reverse as the Knight could still scold you for being evil. These aren't mutually exclusive, but trannies wish it is because they seethe at the idea that weird route players will be able to experience anything cool.
>>4029052>Carol isn't in Undertale, does that mean she couldn't make it?Asgore talks about attending Rudy's marriage in the Alarm Clock dialogue. So Carol must be there, they just don't refer to her by name. We didn't even get to know her first name until chapter 4.Also, there's nothing yet that tells that the shelter would somehow wormhole everyone to the UT's Underground. I'm talking about Carol evacuating the town because, according to Rudy while he was putting on the lights, she was supposedly busy "investigating" down south, likely the shelter.
>>4029053she is pretending to have a panic attack for views
Do you think there'll be any ending where the fun gang comes out ok?
>>4029079I kind of get Left 4 Dead vibes where I feel like no matter what, only 3 out of 4 will survive at best
>>4029074I mean I kind of expect to get context, story beats, and characterization like we got in the Genocide route where it contextualizes somethings and reveals answers and new mysteries.But I don't think entering into an abusive relationship with Noelle and making her into a schizo is going to end up with anything good. And for one thing I think Gerson doesn't know what's happening in the WR, like Ralsei he only has bad vibes to go off of so he's trying to cheer Kris up.>>4029075>Weird Route where you play the game in reverse as the KnightI still think Amalgam Knight is stupid even outside of the weird route boviosuly not ending with anything good, for one thing becoming the Knight is clearly a bad ending. Although a rather mid pokemon romhack inspired by the Weird Route, FRLG.ips, did something similar.I removed the scold you for being evil part because that's stupid.>>4029077He also says that Rufy's daughters will grow up on the surface despite his death, implying they're rather young, or at least not fully grown.
>>4029068Why do retards still think that Weird Route = Evil/Genocide Route? We haven't so much as kill a single person and we're 5 chapters in.
>>4029084You put Berdly in a coma
>>4029082>But I don't think entering into an abusive relationship with Noelle and making her into a schizoHow? How can you fucking think anything in the relationship is abusive? She LITERALLY SAYS SHE WANTED IT.>SchizoShe's the only person in Hometown who figured out the nature of her reality, all without some supernatural aid.
>>4029085And you lobotomize 7 sentient creatures permanently on the Normal Route.
>>4029082>I removed the scold you for being evil because that's stupid.You do know that Toby will have to do that in one way or another though. It's the only way he can keep his rabid tranny fanbase in check.
>>4029084Because it's clearly roughly analogous as some sort of evil route, also you don't have to literally commit mass murder for your actions to be evil. In general everything just seems so ominous and Noelle is going off the deep end. Not to mention the whole drowning in the evil hell lake full of demonic chanting.Also Berdly is in a coma and I like him.>>4029087Flowery does mention that was going to happen anyways, their dreams was always destined to end. Either on their own terms withering to death in the Dark Worlds or in defeat against the Lancer fan Club.>>4029086>How? How can you fucking think anything in the relationship is abusive? She LITERALLY SAYS SHE WANTED IT.>She's the only person in Hometown who figured out the nature of her reality, all without some supernatural aid.Anon...
>>4029087The flowers would have died in the dark world and they all knew it. Also, it was Asgore's decision to close the fountain, and they conceded that he was right to do itYour comparison is wrong and gay
>>4029089>Because it's clearly roughly analogous as some sort of evil routeNo, it's not. Literally the only actual reason people give is "the music is ominous." It's a DARKER route, that's without question, but funnily enough has much less red flags ahead than the Normal Route.>>4029090>You lobotomized 7 sentient creatures but it's OK because their dad said so.>The flowers would have died in the dark world and they all knew itAnd that's what they wanted. Flowery literally says you have "hearts set in stone." What you're doing to him is not being the good guys.
>>4029091>No, it's not.Based retard
>>4029091>And that's what they wanted.They wanted to make Asgore happy. He was happy to go back to the light world and tend to the flowers. This is not in any way comparable to snowgraving Berdly because he knew you were up to no good
>>4029088Making you know how you fucked over everyone in hometown is what I think will happen.
Twisted Route will be the best route but you will have to dwell on sacrificing Virovirokun to get there
>>4029094Funny how people saying "MUH BERDLY" forget to mention he's the one attacking you.
>>4029096>had to skip nubert for itThe price is too high...
>>4029095It's already lgbtqia+ postmodern town, how can it be even more fucked up
I think Light World's Sun is not a star. It's someone's SOUL shining with HOPE. It actively banishes all Darkness into inside's Earth's CORE. But it's waning due to repeated openings of Dark Fountains. So when it's completely extinguished, a new sacrifice is required. Someone's SOUL, who will keep shining with HOPE, forever.Bad Ending 1: Sacrifice is Susie. She is repeatedly described as shining with hopeBad Ending 2: Sacrifice is YOU. This is bad because: 1) Kris dies without YOU, 2) Your SOUL won't shine forever. Eventually someone will try to unleash darkness yet again.True Ending: somehow breaking this cycle of sacrifice. I dunno how.
>>4029097>He attacked me, so it's just self-defense to kill him!Based retard
>>4029101Nobody killed him. More and more headcanon.
>>4029097Berdly is the hero in this scenario
>>4029091True, there can't be any red flags anymore if all of them paid off in the Chapter 5 WR.
>>4029061My take is that it used to be a real place until gaster separated it from reality and turned it into his own pocket dimension... his... DELTARUNE...As for when this happened, I dunno. It could have been a gradual thing in all honestly, slowly isolating itWe likely won't ever see Asriel because its IMPOSSIBLE for a outsider to enter now hometown is disconnected from regular time and space.
>>4029102>Nobody killed him.Do I need to say it again?
>>4029089>In general everything just seems so ominous and Noelle is going off the deep end. Not to mention the whole drowning in the evil hell lake full of demonic chanting.Well, how do you defeat evil? Just by doing good deeds? When evil is fucking with you, you go to their lair and destroy them. That's the only way you can solve this, going to the source of evil. Even if it means going through literal hell.
>>4029102Not for lack of trying. The spell is said to be fatal
>>4029100Forgot to give it a snappy title. Let's see, I'll name it a NEW SUN THEORY.
>>4029099To translate this to you, imagine saying "woke capitalism is already terrible, how can it get any worse?" right before American Maoism violently takes over.So uhh, imagine Hometown as like the centrist liberal suburb compared to the kind of hells the dark worlds have brewing in them that the roaring will have flood out.
>>4029103>Noelle says nobody notices how interesting Kris is now because nobody wants to>She’s technically right because the one guy that did acknowledge it got put in a coma for it
>>4029109Berdly have determination. All lightners have that. And ch5 proved that determination can be used as de-termination, just like in Undertale. So there's a chance that he's still holding on, on the last legs. He'll likely die in ch6 if we don't help him, tho
>>4029108Yeah, but that isn't what Kris and Noelle are trying to do. Not to mention how Rlasei says deviating from the prophecy entirely might lead to an even worse outcome.Also nuDoom is lame and gay.
>>4029103>Noelle didn't ask for help.>Kris didn't ask for help.>Literally nobody said he should intervene.>I'MMA ASSAULT THEM AND BE THE REAL HERO.He's literally white-knighting.
>>4029113>Guys Noelle isn't a schizo, she just finally saw the truth!!>Oh just ignore the part about how she gets off on being the one to put Berdly in the hospital
>>4029115>Not for lack of trying.
>>4029115I'm really just holding on for an aborted route rematch against him. He deserves another chance to shine
>>4029118At this point it would be more respectable for this faggots to just say they don't care for berdly, because all cope is just funny as fuck
>>4029109That it hurts in the light world too was not something you would think would happen if you assumed it's all imaginary. People on a first play through got really caught off guard by it putting berdly in a coma in real life IIRC
>>4029117>He's literally white-knighting.The irony
>>4029105>We likely won't ever see Asriel because its IMPOSSIBLE for a outsider to enter now hometown is disconnected from regular time and spaceThen why is there police tape around the town's entrance?
>>4029116None of the characters in Deltarune really know what they're doing, but are players even knowing themselves? I know I'm doing the WR for this - fighting evil at the source - but as of now, I fear Kris and Noelle are not well equipped for that. Of course, as it stands, Side B is not how you make the game end in a completely satisfying way. But it might be a bit less catastrophic than in Side A.
>>4029126>but as of now, I fear Kris and Noelle are not well equipped for thatOn the Normal Route Noelle is about to be brought into the Dark Worlds and she has ZERO combat abilities.
>>4029127>Chapter 2
>>4029125Anyone who tries to escape gets WHACKED by the goner mobits for their own safety.
>>4029127Iceshock has quite good base stats. This is could be sufficient for her to fend through Castle Town's darkners. The depths may not be so easy.
>>4029127You can count on Ralsei for replacing Iceshock with a more "friendly" spell.
>>4029126>I'm fighting evil and totally not being the evil one hahaAre you really that scared of a video game? These are video game characters we are talking about no actual hurt is involved.
>>4029134I don't know how you came to the idea that I'm scared of the game. I'm only anxious about the potential outcomes of a story that's yet to be published. You know. Anticipation. It often happens with works of fiction, especially when they're episodic.
>>4029139>Anticipationhttps://youtu.be/kft3ZUYNiwE?si=1saReFx5SnlKfE0K
>>4028916I assumed that was because kris was acting on his own through abusing the textbox description instead of "organically"/under us
>>4029140The waiting room for the fights to come.
>>4029141that would assume (You) don't want to see the shelter code, which doesn't make any sense because that entire CH4 sequence was for a shelter code
So the codes are:>1225>0915199X>2202What does 2202 even mean?
>>40291472202 was the code for the church door, browe still don't have the police badge code
>>4029144no, we want to see the code but kris doesn't, as shown in the mantle game kris really doesn't want us to see the inside of the sjelterremember kris doesn't have full control when we are inside of him, to play the piano the textbox had to go "it was as if your hands were moving on your own" and he had to slow down text and rip you out in chapter 4 tooso in chapter 5 it makes sense that instead of taking the code which is the normal action for interacting, kris would try to hijack the box again to rip it against your wishes, but susie interrupted>>4029147I think the december code had more digits, it's just that kris didn't let us see it
>>4028698Literally impossible to know with the information we have. It could go either way.
>>4029148Why was the church door locked with that code to begin with? Why wasn't it just free to open like other dark worlds? And how would the knight know about it? The knight is familiar to the shelter so he knows the code, and only Alvin should know about it. To me it's clear that Alvin is complicit, if not the chapter 4 fountain opener and a fountain opener in general.
>>4029148The police badge code was Asgore's code. The pine code must be the one at the Holiday Manor, which leaves the Delta Rune code. If it's not the code on the fire extinguisher then Toby is gonna have to pull some shit in order for the gang to get two codes in the same chapter.
>>4029154toriel cancelled choir practice and went homeit's pretty common for churches to lock their main chapel if they're not open>>4029155thought that was just some random piece of paper but I guess it does make sensethe guitar code can easily be brute forced, we already know 3 digits so it's just a matter of trying 10 different digits unless the panel has a max limit of attempts
>>4029154Because the plot needed an excuse for Susie to make Second Sanctuary in order to bring up the fact Ralsei knows what happens when you use Dark Worlds to bring back dead monsters in order to fuel theories about who the Knight is, as now even more characters are viable Knight candidates.
>>4029147We don't know if the code is just 1225 or if there's something more to it.
>>4029158I was asking in the context of the whodunnit but I guess this works too.
>>4029159Why would there be more? Does the story needs this much padding?
>>4029161It's pretty obvious we're going to revisit Holiday Manor, Carol still needs to do nothing except vaguely disapprove of Suselle, then have Noelle finally stand up for herself against the one person she's struggled most with in her entire life, and then Carol realizes she was wrong for getting in the way of twoo wuv just in time for her to be kidnapped by the Knight and Susie FINALLY clocks that "hey... wh-why the hell does the Knight have ANTLERS!?" which leads into a cliffhanger stinger for chapter 7.
>>4028832You're probably right because of the game having 3 save slots in the first place.
>>4029161We still need to actually get that code so Toby could still make the number bigger.
>>4029163>Noelle finally stand up for herself against the one person she's struggled most with in her entire lifeUgh... do people with mommy issues really...>Carol realizes she was wrong for getting in the way of twoo wuv just in time for her to be kidnapped by the Knight and Susie FINALLY clocks that "hey... wh-why the hell does the Knight have ANTLERS!?" which leads into a cliffhanger stinger for chapter 7I can't deny the possibility that the plot could be that bad and it bothers me
>>4029163Since you can see the future can you tell me the winning numbers for this friday's EuroMillions?
>>4029157>>4029154remember the door was open in the dark world before, it was the knight that closed it
>>4029167>>4029163reminder of what will happen
>>4029165Yes I understand, thank you, I was told this multiple times. But let's agree it'd be the worst. And the only thing it could be after 1225 is a year, which Toby usually writes like 199X 200X 201X, so what would be the point?
>>4029171>* I'M RIGHT FUCKING HERE MOM, IS THE DEMENTIA THAT BAD?
>>4029171UNUSED calling themselves "a collection of memory" really makes me wonder about Undertale's Memoryhead all over again, mysterious bastards they are that only show up once and then never again, especially since they're an Amalgamate that primarily communicates via phone just like Knight presumably does.
>>4029171Why would Rudy not tell Carol he's the Knight? Is he retarted?
>>4029178and lose handjob priviledges?
>>4029178Because Hometown's core problem is that no one, literally NO ONE, can just be fucking honest with each other, as without dishonesty, there can't be a conflict.
>>4029172Maybe Toby wants to reveal Dess's birth year.
>>4028984>>4028985 I thought Susie was just a good friend to Kris, but after Chapter 5, I think she's a terrible fucking friend. Noelle would never have said to Kris, "Hey, Kris... Let's not go into that room together... That room is just for me and Susie now" or some other bullshit like that. She's always been a jerk, but saying something like that to a friend is a terrible thing to do. She's literally exclude Kris from places they could go together. Susie doesn't deserve Kris's friendship, and she certainly doesn't deserve Noelle's love. Susie just used Kris to get to know Noelle better. Susie would never have even dared to talk to Noelle if it weren't for Kris, and this is how she treats him? Nah, Susie deserves all the hatred she gets.
Do you guys think Dess was part of Toby's fever dream? She seems so unimportant to the main plot beats but at the same time somewhat important.
>>4029187Watch her be the key to everything
>>4029187supposedly she wasn't mentioned in the original draft of the UT alarm clock dialogue, it was updated to mention her later, so it is possible that she wasn't in the original DR script
>>4029186And the only reason she's doing all this? She found out Toriel isn't the paragon of motherhood and has flaws just as much as literally anyone else, so she completely gave up on reality and now wants to drag Noelle into the Dark World, because some part of her knows how pathetic it would be if she was the sole constant Lightner resident of Castle Town and sees a crucial vulnerability in Noelle that reality sucks dick for her too, so obviously the perfect fix is fantasy land now and forever.
>>4029189i know people give this as a reason why she won't be important, but to me adding her into some dialogue from something that didn't even release when not even existing in undertale would work with her disappearance in deltarune implies the exact opposite
>People still coping about WR being good>Literally is going to skip CH6Bros...
>>4029186Noelle prefers to talk behind Kris' back, after all!
>>4029186To be fair to Susie she's only been friends with Kris for a few days, so it's not really comparable to Noelle
beat susie with a batdess helpsask asgore for help with the corpsenobody cares in town, who cares about susie darkners? just close that fountain real quick it's like it never happenednoelle already got her sister back she'll be distracted by that
>>4029163I more or less agree, but I don't think the angle they're go for is Carol disapproving of Suselle. There's been a lot of foreshadowing about Carol wanting to save December and how she psychotically preserves things like bronzing paper snowflakes so she never loose them so if Susie does bring up Suselle it'll be.>I don't care if you disapprove of my relationship with your daughter.>You think that is what this is about!>Ever since THAT DAY, when my eldest daughter December went missing... yada yada>Then I see you, having stolen her belongings>Susie feels guilty>They fight anyways since Carol is probably gonna pull a Flowery and want her own permanent Dark World, but this time sealing it means Rudy will have to die.When you talk to Rudy during Chapter 5, Noelle even connect Carol's dislike of Susie to the guitar incident. That and Carol making a Dark World to save Rudy kind of connects the previous plot threads together in a dramatic way that causes tension among the group.>>4029171Even as a Dess Knighter I think it'll happen. If Dess is the Knight, even if she's working woth Carol, she hasn't told Carol her identity.She'll be kidnapped just in time to not explain what her and Kris were doing together, although Susie still might learn Kris is working with the Knight and Carol.
>>4029187Dess is only relevant because of her sisterly connection to Noelle, who's the most important character in Deltarune's narrative by far, as quite literally everything revolves around her in some shape or form.It's the same way Undertale has Chara's relevancy even though we don't see the kid outside of Genocide, because of the Asriel connection and how that particular tragedy helped shape Flowey as an antagonist.
>>4029194Literally EVERYONE talks about each other behind their backs. What Susie does is in a league of its own.
>>4029186>>4029190I know Susie is flawed but I don't get the seething hatred for her.
>>4029198I'd say she also fits the "missing older sibling" archetype for Kris to some degree.
>>4029202She betrayed the bro code. For some, that's a death sentence.
Dess is NessShe is important as fuck
>>4029186I think you're too mad.
>>4029202She unironically said hoes before bros. That's how you know a friendship is forever fucked.
>>4029205in the end, deltarune really is just toby's mother fanfic or halloween hack 2.0
>>4029202I don't like greedy dragons that steal everything.
>>4029198>as quite literally everything revolves around herPeople say this same shit about Susie.I'm honestly getting kinda sick about the whole game now spinning around one of the two dykes. I honestly just wanted to had a fun adventure with friends, but Susie in CH5 is not a friend. Noelle was just a friend during CH2. People need to stop this unhealthy obsession.
>>4029205>real end>Kris was doing everything just to save Dess he doesnt even like Noelle that muchLet me headcannon in peace
>>4029198>Noelle is only relevant because of her sisterly connection to Dess, who's the most important character in Deltarune's narrative by far, as quite literally everything revolves around her in some shape or form.ftfy
I think the Titan being a mother that consumes her children to sustain herself is something that should be talked about more.
>>4029210>I honestly just wanted to had a fun adventure with friendsI'm pretty sure that's the whole purpose of the Flower World - Kris wanting to go back to the fun adventures.It doesn't work because everyone else changed.
>>4029214Titans don't have genders.
