>>4026767
couple of other general thoughts
the good:
>two new decision-making mechanics were added, first is your personality which gets shaped by your choices. Unlike in Brante where your character could make contradictory schizo choices independent of your role-playing personality, here Jerian has a personality of his own and will struggle to make choices contrary to it. a new resource, sanity, will allow you to act contrary to your personality so you`re not completely locked into a single path.
>another one is your blood tides legacy. if you please your ancestors they can lend you their strength to pass skillchecks, so no more broken runs cause you lacked 1 valour
>less one-dimensional politics. the 6 estates all have their own interests, they sometimes clash and sometimes cooperate. Its not just a simple liberal egalitarian democracy vs a conservative racialized absolutism.
>Characters are also less one dimensional. Your bitch sister from the first game is no longer a present archetype here
>Playing as Jerian is more fun than playing as Brante desu, the top down perspective is pretty cool
The Bad:
>AI, it is definitely noticeable but not super egregious. Art is actually more thematically consistent than in the first game where characters often looked like they were from different games, but if you look hard enough you`re gonna see some AI driven inconsistencies. baffled that the artists couldn`t at least look over the AI images to correct the mistakes, hopefully they get corrected
>The text was also probably proof-read and syntactically re-organized by AI. Honestly it would be barely noticeable if not for the annoying usage of the em dash
>As I mentioned the game skips over what should have been the last climactic chapter and turns it into a couple page summary. extremely disappointed
>As a result of the previous point, Jerian lacks the "Aura" moments of Brante. There is no Otton duel, no court of honor session, no siege of Anizotte

>>4026772
>two new decision-making mechanics were added
I liked these, gives you more options instead of just "didn't get this skill this high, get fucked lmao"
> the 6 estates all have their own interests, they sometimes clash and sometimes cooperate.
Yeah the way politics work was great, the fact that every specific vote you could ally with someone you used to bicker with because you agree on this one thing or vice versa.

>>4026772
>>The text was also probably proof-read and syntactically re-organized by AI. Honestly it would be barely noticeable if not for the annoying usage of the em dash
I also noticed the words "tapestry" and "kaleidoscope" mentioned a couple of times which was definitely AI. I think the devs just gave the AI their rough blueprint for dialogues and general tone of writing but left some distinctive ai-slop style in there for some reason.
>Jerian has a personality of his own and will struggle to make choices contrary to it. a new resource, sanity, will allow you to act contrary to your personality so you`re not completely locked into a single path.
the idea was genuinely quite good but the implementation is less so. The personality stats vary too much, you can go from 10 law to 10 love multiple times in a single playthough, unless Jerian is legit bipolar this makes no sense. I think limiting Jerians personality changes to just the first two chapters would be better and then you could only change your personality by communicating with your ancestors
>the game skips over what should have been the last climactic chapter
that one was just fucking bullshit, I was already suspicious when the last chapter was called the millennium council and not the civil war, what the fuck were they thinking? How can Brante have more military story-telling than Jerian

>>4026767
The childhood friends storyline was pretty touching, hoped we got more scenes with Emil and Martha

>>4026806
wtf is wrong with tapestry and kaleidoscope? tapestry fits right with the setting and kaleidoscope makes sense with the shattered mirror leitmotif and there was a literal kaleidoscope in brante and no one cried about it then
i can see the ai artifacts in many pictures but not the dialogues also they have obvious spelling and grammar mistakes ai doesn't make

>>4026810
I had to cut ties with these two idiots when they decided to team up with the crazy terrorists and bombmakers and not making them spill their names would have caused a game over. They are also just shitty people in general ever since they were kids but I'll try keeping them around on some other playthrough and see if there's anything good there.

>>4026814
Emil cannot snitch on the conspirators because he looks up to you and wants to prove that giving him a chance at nobility was the right decision.
If you do not force him to inform on them, he personally challenges the conspirators to duels. He does this both to avenge you and to avoid disgracing the noble title you gave him.
In my playthrough, he died twice while killing seven conspirators. You eventually have to persuade him to stop dueling, or he risks suffering a true death.In my ending, he became my trusted personal emissary.

>>4026812
chatgpt loves those words so they are banned from language

Did I guess right the best tactic for choosing political projects - to do things that are opposite to the side you've chosen? Sounds like a good way for protecting against political stats reaching 10, when the next radical decision shifts them by 2-3 points. Also free loyalty to hostile factions to avoid their events.

>>4026767
AI-sloppa

>>4027016
try not to go to the ideological extremes of 10 unless your unrest is already very low, cause they each give +2 unrest and it can quickly spiral out of control. The only good thing they do is unlock a couple of pretty good decisions in the very last chapter. but you still need to have your political stats 5+ to the direction of the estates that you decided to ally with to increase their strength(like progress with the commoners or jurisprudence for nobles). you`ll need it for the good ending
you`re gonna have some rebellious factions either way, but just try to limit them to two and make them weak by going further from their political stats (for example egalitarianism weakens old houses and strengthens commoners)

Brante deserve second wave of discussion much more that this aisloppa cashgrab.

>>4027016
Sort of but the best way seems to be to not really need projects at all and instead focus on stats and maybe a legacy one if your Blood isn't too high already. Then projects only when you absolutely need them to pass a check later or to patch up a relationship that's on the border of enemy/neutral. But getting Arknian/Human Rights and then being moderate about it and doing some things counter to it and inevitably pissing off your ally because you didn't have the votes to give them eveyrthing they wanted unironically worked great my first playthrough, I did something like 3 faction projects the entire game and had max points for the civil war without really trying much.

How do you make human/arknian/tempest dictatorships? I'm guessing for the last one you need to do the mother's project, but for the former two I never even met the people involved.

>>4027833
I think you need to team up with one of the characters that show up after you get Arknian or Human Rights, like Gunter or Sejanus. Never managed to make that work though, I forget what the requirements were.

>>4026767
I am sooooo glad that they removed Willpower, the current system of sanity + tempest power or whatever its called works a loooot better.

>>4027979
Yeah I like that there are more ways to interact with it. Though it's annoying as fuck when there's an article you really want to pass and it's locked behind a red lock because you're 1 off a personality trait.

I failed activating the mother's event in 2 chapter, about making an Order of Small Branch or whatever it's name on English, but i still didn't get "broken hopes" status on her. Do i still have a chance do do it in later chapters or it's over? I kinda wanted to dp Tempest tyranny route...

>>4028438
That sounds like a bug honestly, I've read there can be issues with flags disappearing when you switch between saves or something.

>>4026820
Finally got this on a good ending, it was really nice. Not really useful mechanically but awesome roleplaying moment after the trouble I went to keep them around since childhood.

>know I'm heading for the Bloody Victory ending because I'm a couple points short
>well fuck me I wanted a complete win, ah well
>get different scene with Flavius because I treated him like shit this entire playthrough
>can now get the entire family reunion scene at the end
>well that's very nice but-
>it gets me those few extra points that let me get the Triumph ending
absolute kino
Flavius even gets a bittersweet ending that's pretty soulful, and I managed to just barely resist the Blood Tide again

>>4026767
I liked it, but I actually preferred the different lots you could have in Brante. At least you could have major ending differences.
Here, it's mostly linear, you have to be the Heir no matter what and make the Creed thing. The differences between the endings seem minor and only appear in the last chapter.

>>4029672
Brante's routes were very good but Jerian makes up for it with more atypical endings and more optional goals and how it has more ways to go about things. Both are great.

>>4026767
Just finished it. Overall I liked it, but it lacked some of the catharsis you got from Brante with character outcomes.
In particular, is Cornelius doomed to die if war breaks out and he isn't totally disillusioned with it all? I've done one ending where I named him head of my personal forces and another where he was invited back onto the council and he died both times, even with a "Triumph" outcome for the war.

>>4031108
I really liked some of those, obviously Agatha's plotline has a payoff if you go for it, Emil and Martha if you don't sever ties with them, there are special endings you can get if you follow family members' plotlines, I'm still trying to see if there's a better ending for Flavius but there's at least a somewhat decent one..
Cornelius also died for me when I made him overseer but because I kept absolute monarchy in the Creed he sided with my enemies and I let him pass through, again died in the epilogue. I'll have to try just not giving him any power and then maybe he'll be safe.

>>4026767
This title sounds like an original M/M fanfic on AO3 where it's about Jerian getting raped in various ways

>>4031323
It's kind of metaphorically true if you think about it.

Can you do something about the creed in chapter 5 if you don't satisfied with the results? I'm trying to have a centrist-reformist run but end up being railroaded into giving Arknians full invulnerability before the law because of negative relationships with pontiff that locked me out of other 2 options.

>>4031497
Nope, you're stuck with it. I had the exact same situation my first playthrough and was really mad about it at the time but then shit got real and by the end of the chapter I was just breathing a sigh of relief that it didn't end up any worse. Also I later realized Arknian privilege was gated by Passion which I had zero of and I didn't want to go full equality even if I'd had the votes. You can kinda balance it out in the sense that if you have high Jurisprudence or Equality it will show in text but basically if you pass the Creed in your own name everyone just starts acting like the Creed is this cool new reform some people fight against and there's not much talk about what is in it, one exception is Cornelius will later oppose you if you're a full on traditionalist on certain two other articles.

I like the politics in general but I realized what bothers me the most about the Creed, it's how the points you gain or lose for passing the articles are way too few. You can still get the Great Houses to support you when you want to make humans and commoners equal, and you can still get human nobility to support you even if the Creed is about removing all their rights, the penalties should be bad enough that you'd lose support from people you're completely fucking over. As it is the issue of what rights arknians/humans/nobles/commoners will have from now on counts as much as who you choose to invite to a party.

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>>4026767
i lost interest in the first game after becoming a judge, ie growing up. Did they reduce the growth stage in the second one even more?

>>4034798
Yeah, sort of. Childhood itself passes quicker but you are younger when you start getting adult responsibilities forced on you, you are basically a teenager forced to start doing your dad's job because he's mentally checked out of everything.

Played free sir Brante as judge and it was lame asf that we were cockblocked from marrying that blue Rich bitch and become race traitor because "muh we wuz ocultists, life too good". Oh and also cockblocked from nobilization because "muh family" when I murdered my Brother minute ago after kicking out sister.

>>4035131
Her issues make more sense when you play Jerian, the whole burden of nobility she's sad about is more literal than you think. Also Arknian - human marriages are forbidden by law because Arknians have a ritual that merges their Blood Tides (their ancestral memory hiveminds) that humans can't do, plus they don't have the same legal standing so they couldn't handle all the property and inheritance issues. You can try and change this in Jerian but it's banned by default.

>Oh and also cockblocked from nobilization because "muh family" when I murdered my Brother minute ago after kicking out sister.
I mean, you helped your bro kick out the sister and then decided to duel him to the death over it instead of just talking him into keeping in touch with the sister. How would this not play into how respectable you are as a family?

>>4035184
That hivemind thing is why they are so OP? It was described quite cool when Otton and overseer dueled, and later when I dueled that akkner (and won). Still lame her affair dont had better ending and she wont change in that thing only when we are priest.

>I mean, you helped your bro kick out the sister and then decided to duel him to the death over it instead of just talking him into keeping in touch with the sister. How would this not play into how respectable you are as a family?
I had reputation around 8-9, but family unity was 0. I thought it dont really matter, also I imagined we were dueling Brother just to usurp power, like we usurped talking With grandpa ghost in crypt. Was quite surprised when it was about Gloria (-5 relation With her) after clicking that option.

>>4035271
Yeah they pretty much have all their ancestors' knowledge and skills when they really need it. Like if you have a good enough pool of ancestors to draw from you could win a chess match because your ancestor was amazing at it or win a duel easily despite being a complete novice at swordplay. Hence why Brante winning that duel is a huge fucking deal (there's more to it because you can only win against him after he was already condemned by the Court of Honor and part of the ritual is that being in the wrong is supposed to make you lose, but it's complicated).
>Still lame her affair dont had better ending
Yeah it's inevitable because she's set on escaping the world. Otherwise technically it would have been possible to have a long term affair with her and even children (Arknian women can do this before having real i.e. Arknian children and the bastards are useful because they keep that small connection to the Blood Tide). I like the lore because it's fucked up but really fascinating.
>I had reputation around 8-9, but family unity was 0.
Yeah that sucks, any stat at 0 fucks you over. Getting to be sword nobility is really hard especially if you also want the Overseer's favor and to keep in touch with Gloria and keep mom alive (need 8 unity + extra rep). Really you can't even get it without metagaming, just normal sword nobility losing both mom and Gloria.

So Jerian seems to have way more replayability than I expected, I'm trying a Blood focused playthrough and it's insanely different with so many of my usual options blocked off. Also there seem to be multiple ways to do chapter 5 without even passing the Creed but they all require specific events from much earlier.

>>4035276
>Yeah they pretty much have all their ancestors' knowledge and skills when they really need it.
That gives me feelings that this bitch Otton was "cheating" for entire time lmao. But it also made that trial of arknians meaningful and gave me impression there is some truth in their claims About being better. And made the duel With that blue bitch aura maxed asf.
I also guess the worst romance outcome for blue skin, Rich, other race, and mentally unstable woman was quite based (or maybe im talking from my ass I dont played others routs yet).
>Really you can't even get it without metagaming, just normal sword nobility losing both mom and Gloria.
Brante game was annoying when you couldnt made decision suitable for your character because lack of willpower or other bullshit. Like, my character who was backstabbing, kinslaying noblemaxer cried "le family is over, I dont want be el brante anymore!".
I remember I also get strike of bad events because family was divided lmao.
Lore and game was fine i guess, but after cockblocking With octavia/ nobilization i was left feeling telltelised lol. Maybe pirate Jarien later.

Hope when 3rd game in universum will be released it be human supremacism revolution on full scale. And arknners end in camps

>>4035334
>this bitch Otton was "cheating" for entire time lmao
It's hard to say, I think he genuinely is very good at it himself based on how people describe him. Also that scene in the Lotless path where he catches you breaking into his house and he almost kills you by immediately grabbing a sword off the wall and lunging at you, there's no delay there like there seems to be in a formal duel when people call on their ancestors. Also note Gaius challenges him knowing he autowins this as he's from the Imperial family which is full of amazing swordsmen. Then there's the idea that the duel are a way for ancestors to pass judgment on their own descendants by refusing to support them if they see them as in the wrong. Otton dies to you after Gaius publically disgraces him and proves he was acting against the Empire (said proof being also dependant on Gaius' Blood Tide, as said). So there's a good bit of ambiguity there, from "Otton is not just a horrible person but a complete fraud and a traitor so of course he loses, his own family probably hates him" to "Otton is a great duelist and despite being a shitty person had some logic to what he was doing if we argue that his loyalty to the Milanidas was valid but he still loses for being in any way opposed to the ruling dynasty also Brante is possibly not just a normal human so tough shit".
Speaking of which there's a moment in Jerian where a very skilled human tries to kill you and you just, easily btfo him even if you're a nerd who never fought a real duel before. Being a Tempest is OP.

>Brante game was annoying when you couldnt made decision suitable for your character because lack of willpower or other bullshit
Yeah it's really less of a roleplaying game and more of a stat managing game. Some outcomes you kinda have to plan and do the math for beforehand. Jerian is much better as you have ways to influence stats and skills more and have two currencies to spend on unlocking blocked options.

>>4035335
Literally the world would end first because (SPOILERS). The most you can get is the Human Protectorate in Jerian which you can only do if you as the future ruler get the human not-really-supremacists to murder most of the Arknian houses for you but still obey you personally.

>>4035356
So the blueskins dont made entirely up their awesomess ? Dont played 2nd game or much of 1st desu beside judge yet

>>4035352
Heh, then it seems the overseer was just doing what Otton did With humans: easy overkill. Would explain why he was actually scared when the plot of combat trial came out lol. This help explain why these arknners like Otton are so full of themselves- they also live longer so I can guess he could btfo us or Tomas when he had body of young man but unnaturally more experience. Quite nice things in lore, no wonder they lost their shit When guns were imvented geg. Also it feels like arknians will loose in long run, since they have disdain for industrialisation, and capital/arknian native regions prohibited factories if I remember correctly.
Also that bitch Octavia was perverted asf with that ancestor thing in throne room, if the ghosts CAN see and judge their descendats lmao, no wonder they let her became some weird thing and not helped her if she asked it offscreen (she ended at stake btw, dont liked new portrait+ easy inquisition opinion).

>AI art and janky gifs which don't loop correctly
>Calculator gameplay that's even worse than in brante
>Story is abysmal, characters are one dimensional
>Plot is a nothinburger, I don't recall anything interesting happening
>A completely linear story that's even worse than brante.
As a steam review said if brante is 9 then jerian is a solid 6. It's a complete downgrade in every aspect. There's no incentive to replay with different decisions because I get the exact same scenario no matter what I do.

Is there a Shadow of the Will ending just like in Brante?

>>4035789
Guns were banned precisely because of that, yeah. Makes sense why the revolt starts in Anizotte because gunpowder was allowed in Magra for its use in mines.
> Also it feels like arknians will loose in long run, since they have disdain for industrialisation, and capital/arknian native regions prohibited factories if I remember correctly.
Well not quite, even at the very top there are a bunch of different factions from strict traditionalists to incremental progress supporters to reckless modernizers. Jerian is all about the politicking and eventual civil war over this. In fact you can easily win the war and keep the absolute monarchy and Arknian superiority while also having the bomb throwing commoners support you doing it.
>if the ghosts CAN see and judge their descendats lmao, no wonder they let her became some weird thing
On the contrary her ancestors would HATE that, they're the ones who massacred the La Tari who were just some peaceful telepathic race minding their own business in a valley. They wouldn't care all that much about her fucking Brante because a lot of them did this kind of thing and even spawned bastard lineages which are mildly useful. They WOULD care about her spurning her legacy but there's more to it, she was meant to marry the next crown prince (as in, the mc in Jerian) but her family got cucked out of it because of Char Milanidas' shenanigans so she couldn't even do that.

>>4035850
This is just completely wrong, I've done like 5 playthroughs that were very different. Maybe if you skip the text you miss out on everything, I can't imagine thinking the characters are one dimensional if you actually read things.

>>4036264
The best you can have is getting raped by your shadow/split personality and die, that you get because of Cornelius giving you schizophrenia by letting you explore the world before getting consumed by the Blood Tide.

>>4036264
pretty sure there is but you need specific stats/flags, I'll try and go for it next playthrough

>>4035280
>I'm trying a Blood focused playthrough and it's insanely different with so many of my usual options blocked off
This is literally the most fakest and gayest form of nonlinearity. It's like if they would've lock liberal/conservative route split in each of 3 Brante routes under additional stat check and made you adhere to one of this 2 playstyles, instead of just letting you choose whatever.

>>4036534
No it's more like how the revolt in Brante works where you can technically see the options from the other paths but your real options are the ones from your path. Except in Jerian you can pick those at the cost of sanity or change the stats by merging with ancestors.

>>4036553
Stop throwing bullshit at me anon. Revolt chapter is essentially nothing - a really small part of the game, while JerAIn cockblock you with red locks through the whole game.

>Except in Jerian you can pick those at the cost of sanity or change the stats by merging with ancestors
Game punishing you severally for using your sanity points past the first one. And sure, you can change personality stats through the game, still doesn't change a fact that it's a artificial-nonlinearity that don't even actually affect anything in the long run besides gaining/losing loyalty points with factions.

>>4036561
It's an example, anon, if you want a literal comparison it's like how there are always blocked options in Brante because you can't have max skills from the start. You don't have access to all the red options in Jerian because you literally can't have all the personality traits at once. And at least in Jerian you can spend points to unlock them, in Brante if something is locked it's locked and that's it even if you're one point off.
>Game punishing you severally for using your sanity points past the first one.
That's the point though, you're supposed to avoid that unless it's something you really really care about.
>artificial-nonlinearity
Again that's like saying Brante is artifically nonlinear because you can't do priest things in the noble route. Their nonlinearity is different but both have good and bad points.
>don't even actually affect anything in the long run besides gaining/losing loyalty points
>don't even actually affect anything except what you can do, what storylines you have access to, how characters react, who lives and dies and what endings you can get
I mean sure I guess.

>>4036573
>Again that's like saying Brante is artifically nonlinear because you can't do priest things in the noble route
It's not, cause Brante have actual routes with it's own characters and story, Jerian have nothing like that.

>anything except what you can do
Choices matter even less than in Deltarune
>what storylines you have access to
You have like 4 of these, without counting tyranny variations. With your childhood friends, dad, mom and bastard-brother, all of them are like 6 events total, besides the brother one that have 3, none of them have any radical changes for your playthrough in a long run, all you get is losing loyalty points and/or get rebellion points in return of unlocking some abrupt epilogues, if you not choose to prematurely finish them.
>how characters react
None of the characters have any alternative dialogues based on your relationship with them. Damn, they couldn't even bother to make alternative events(or remove them altogether) for your bride if you refuse to marry her, it's have few changed dialogue lines but that's it.
>who lives and dies and what endings you can get
That's like bare minimum you expect from rpg/cyoa.

>>4036335
I love lying online

>>4036595
the same shit can be said about brante
nothing matters it's just words

>>4036333
Huh, Jerian seems interesting from lore point of view then but i Heard its full of AI slop. Dont actually mind much pics (i like make funny shit With it) but actual text 100% AI always seem off at best.
>her ancestors would HATE that, they're the ones who massacred the La Tari who were just some peaceful telepathic race minding their own business in a valley.
Dare I said: arkkners were based With this one, La Tari thing was weird to me, octavia indeed was lame bitch then, geg.
>They WOULD care about her spurning her legacy but there's more to it, she was meant to marry the next crown prince (as in, the mc in Jerian) but her family got cucked out of it because of Char Milanidas' shenanigans so she couldn't even do that.
Is she THAT old, or everyone Would seethe that blood of CHADmanidas gets royal marriage even if its centuries after rebelion. Shame CHAD milanidas after auramaxing With nobolization of humans destroyed fertility of soil,lmao.
Also during first lore reading I mistook his rebelion for some human indenpendence urprising lulz

>>4037650
Some pics might be, main characters look fine but very possibly extrapolating crowd scenes and the like, I can't tell clearly. Text is 100% legit in my opinion, AI spits out text that looks ok but is full of incoherency if you pay attention, Jerian text has lots and lots of characters that have nuances and subtle quirks and don't neatly fit into a prompt that AI would always mess up. Like Monrogue, Gaius, Marcius, Servilia and Orgrif could all be described as Arknian traditionalists but their actual personalities, goals, actions, political positions and way of speaking are wildly different from each other and this is consistent in every scene throughout the entire game. A lot of characters know secret things or are running a long term plot, their actions and dialogue are always consistent in retrospect. And so on.
>La Tari thing was weird to me
The La Tari may well be right about how the world works, they do some weird stuff. You can run into them in Jerian too.
>Is she THAT
They all live for centuries, also Arknians have their entire ancestral memory in them, they can seethe over things 1000 years ago if they really want. You can actually end up finding the real story behind the Char rebellion through one of your own ancestors' memories. Lore in general is great.

>>4038171
Guess I try Jerian as well, sounds good.
>Lore in general is great.
I like it, but I wouldnt buy Brante at full price for that stat management shit. Tried pro lowborn nobleman and I forget how buzzkiller it was. Also I was scammed With that valor stuff, I maxxed it hoping for more duels but apparently 20 is needed only to defeat Otton during rebellion, and duels With him before are death even With 20 fight. Decent idea but implement was mediocre asf.

>>4036264
>>4036400
found it, the Usurper ending is basically it except you save the entire world from the Twins instead of just yourself

>>4026767
Game felt like a cashgrab since the first one got popular in it's niche

>same time period
>only one plotline
>formulaic conflicts
>no intrigues
>same calculator in the final chapters
>ooohhh here's a reference to the first game. remember the first game?

Can playing calculator in the sequel be called jerianmandering?

>>4041077
I liked it more than Brante, hope they keep making these

I wish you could marry Octavia. You can even side with her and her dad and break off your engagement but can't ever follow up on that. Maybe even as an alternate route to pay off the debt. I mean I get that the mom doesn't want that and she wants to force you to marry Lucretia but why not a choice to go against that? Is it just because it contradicts Brante even though a bunch of things already do?

>>4043772
Sorry arkcels, but Octavia was made for sir Brante and his sword

>>4043844
You mean for La Tari shepherds.

>>4043846
Octavia belongs to sir Brante
Abomination she turned herself into belongs to the stake
Simple as

>>4043849
actual incel logic

>>4043849
Based and correct.

>>4043853
Not my fault she ALWAYS kill herself in that ritual+ free inquisition point during rebelion

If you love Octavia you form a spiritual bond with her and let her transcend the world. If you don't love Octavia but just wanted to fuck her you agree to be her boytoy and later turn her over to her father for the rep points. If you hand her over to some nutcases to torture her to death you are just a psycho. Simple as.

>>4043866
>you love Octavia you form a spiritual bond
Nah, the real love Would be telling her to not assiocate With ocultism weirdos and flee away together or something if she thinks her life is too good. I Would even spend that stupid willpower stat for this
>If you hand her over to some nutcases to torture her to death you are just a psycho.
Why ratting her shell out to milanidas for points is valid but to inquisition is not?

>>4043881
They're not even weirdos they're actually right about everything.
>Why ratting her shell out to milanidas for points is valid
He at least is not trying to hurt her and will try and give her a comfy life even if she fades out of the world anyway.

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>side With empire
>not enough points for heroic death and capturing rebelion leader
>Dark times
>everyone is equally (heh) fucked
>Otton was BRUTALLY mutilated, broken in every way and murdered
>body on public display
>worth it

>>4043888
How do you not duel Otton way before that?

>>4043886
>not even weirdos
Idk, twins are pretty legit but blueskins cant even be happy With being OP beings and needs abuse power/run cults
>He at least is not trying to hurt her and will try and give her a comfy life
He constantly tries to return his daughter normal self and locked her in tower, lmao

>>4043889
I was trying every option on Noble route and apparently siding With milanidas and old guy block the trial of honour, so no duel With Otton

>>4043881
>>4043886
Also you don't actually give her to Tarquinius when you rat her out, you just tell him about it. She still appears during the revolt. Now there's this one path where you can hand her over to her family (via Otton lmao) and at least your motivation is that she's in danger in the middle of all that chaos and she'd be safer at her family estate, so morally that's clearly better than giving her to the torture happy zealots.

>>4043892
Oh right, the Night of the Serpents thing. Yeah that one's pretty hard to win, I think you absolutely need to be ennobled by the Sword to even stand a chance. The most amazing (fucked up) thing on that path is that if you have max Diplomacy you can get Otton and El Borne to reconcile and team up. Otton will even give you troops in the final choice if you need any.

Actually you can win after Night of the Serpents if you die to kill Sophia. It's pretty kino even, they execute you right as the gates open to let the army through and you die knowing you won and seeing the light of the Shining Pillar.

>>4043896
Night of Serpent sounded kino asf but that blueskin and old Man just started peasant rebelion without achieving their goals, and their archduke runnned away like a bitch lmao

>>4043893
>motivation
We have good motivation as well while giving her away to inquisition. Its the ending that tell us she was burned because there was no way back from that ritual
> clearly better than giving her to the torture happy zealots.
I maybe would care About outcome if I wasnt lack-of-willpower/stat slapped several times before. And giving away shell of lover was basically free point.
She also dont even informed her affair partner about her intention of becoming ancient creature so fuck her

>>4043930
All the revolt variants get railroaded into the same scenario, really sucks that there isn't more variety. You do get a somewhat different ending if you sided with the Milanidas though, they eventually get the province back.

>>4043942
>No ending where milanidas rally his le epic blueskin beasts warriors to retake capital instead running like a bitch
Do arkkners REALLY ?
This one couldnt even Control his own daughter geg

>>4043942
Stopping the revolt before it truly starts by siding with Felipe and skipping the last chapter was pretty kino though.

lol I tried a Passion run in Jerian, shit was hilarious
all the sensible options blocked off and so much YOLO dumbassery

It's amazing how much worse Jerian's family is than Brante's. Ferdinand is an even bigger millstone around your neck than Tommas, at least Tommas was useful sometimes. The childhood friends are even worse.
Cornelius lies to you about letting you out early so you could be your own person, he just wants you to internalize what he's saying so he can use you later. To actually keep your old self you need to save your friends who are only in danger because he sends them away and he expects you to ditch them and keep doing what you're told. Then later he keeps important things secret and expects you to mindlessly vote with him and be his proxy in everything. He seethes if you take leadership of the family because then you're less of a pawn.
Servilia is also trying to use you as a pawn and if you go along with her pet project you realize she was always, from the very beginning, grooming you so that you would sacrifice yourself to the Tide.
Uther is the absolute worst. Tries to push all his problems on you when you're a teenager that's completely new to this. Has the gall to be disappointed if you only take on half his job instead of all of it. Looks at you like you're garbage if you do what he asks and that fucks you over because you can't do everything perfectly on your own. Also treats you like shit if you don't volunteer to take on all responsibility for the family. Hides important things like the Creed from you then puts his boyfriend on the Council under false pretenses where he constantly mocks you and tries to sabotage you and push you off the throne while claiming it's for your own good. And if you somehow do submit to this you end up carrying an even greater burden and break down into a miserable wreck worse than Uther himself. Oh and if you enable Uther completely you end up destroying yourself and the entire world for him. But hey it makes him happy!

Anyway I'm not surprised Jerian always names his firstborn after Gaius.

Also there's Flavius. Just... everything involving Flavius was sad, horrifying, frustrating or a tragicomedy. If there's an actual good ending instead of at best a bittersweet one I haven't found it.

I hate serville the WHORE

>AIsloppa
cringe
I regret having ever said good things about Brante

>>4052098
Gaius is the most KINO and only actually decent member of the family, with also best views about the future of the Empire as well btw, it's a shame that he's mostly a chill guy who doesn't really try to get himself more enrolled into the running of the Empire and infact gets forced into it when they de facto exile him to Magra, but even then unlike certain someone he pick up the slack for the Empire and the dynasty and tries his absolute best to fuck over Tarquinius

this game sucks ass compared to brante
there's no good romance like Jeanne in this game

>>4053006
I got the same feeling after seeing the new "art", couldnt even continue past chapter 2, it's just so unpleasant to look at.

did I misread or is my father a fucking faggot

>>4054273
They are very good friends.

>>4054273
Monrogue propaganda

>>4052098
Yeah it's generally best to tell your family to fuck off. Otherwise they just cause trouble and drain your resources. Mother forces you and Ferdinand into her cult shit. Helping father will make you exile Servilia and ruin family unity.. Flavius turns into a monster if you enable him. Ferdinand has arguably a good idea but in the end he never returns and inspires others to abandon the Empire. Cornelius can be useful at the end but only if you pursue liberal reforms - otherwise he's a thorn in your side. Gaius really is the MVP of this family.
Personally I don't mind your childhood friends - they are your pet project that you can always stop if you want or you can work to give them a good ending. I would also like to mention the romance options: Lucretia gives you a lot of useful resources but in the last chapter demands you avenge her which ruins all Tyranny playthroughs.. Camilla is really not worth pursuing - it ruins your relationship with Gaius, she can help you resist the Blood Tide but there are like 4 other ways to do it, and she always leaves you at the end. Pursuing Agatha costs you but offers imo the most interesting dilemma where you can stay with her or let her leave to teach Gods about love.
Since I talked about everyone else, I guess I can briefly mention the council members. They aren't very interesting but they serve their role. You got two liberals, a conservative priest who cries after every progressive change, a guy who wants the arknian republic, a useless hedonist guy, and a glowie who just doesn't want the empire to explode after the reforms (imo the best member).

>>4054683
Milanidas really is the most sensible guy on that council, also Pontifex Orgrif is ok as well unless you're doing a liberal playthrough, literally everyone else are a bunch of schizo reformers who want to liberalize the Empire too quickly or bring it down to larp some old republic

At the start of my first playthrough I was like "family first no matter what I keep them united" Now that I reached chapter 5 my dad is an actual faggot, I even let him go on pilgrimage and he's still a useless pile of shit, my mom is sleeping with Cornelius because of course she is and she breaks the family apart harder than anyone else, Ferdinand despite getting everything he wants being the top 0.001% of people in the empire and having good relationships with everyone becomes a mega doomer and sails off to nowhere to escape his miserable life. I got whiplash from him being the happy go lucky boy in all our conversations and then he's suicidally depressed in the same conversation. Cornelius really expected to sleep with Monrogues daughter/empress while antagonizing her father. Flavius is a ticking timebomb and I regret making him a mage, he will usurp me or join the lotless or any number of things can go wrong. Gaius is the only one I still respect, I fixed his gf and he does his job and occasionally beats his cheating wife. All in all I want to kill half of my family. Especially the dad.

>>4054683
Yeah the council is generally a pain, Marcius was the only guy spending most of his time solving problems instead of causing them. At first I expected the worst that comes with the archetype especially as a Milanidas but no, he's genuinely 100% loyal to the Empire (I'll argue that his vote on the last issue is actually a bad idea but at least I get where he's coming from). Sure he manipulates you but in a very amiable "I know that you know that I know" way that I can never be mad about. He switches his vote strategically to whatever is the least terrible option that has a chance. He's basically always just trying to save you and the entire Empire from everyone's stupidity. That part where if you try and go for human tyranny he offers you a way out, lets you save face by blaming everything on himself and tells you it's not your fault and you're brave for even being able to back out of it is one of the nicest things anyone ever does for you in the entire game. I wish he was a romance option he is truly best boy.

My first game I hated Orgrif so much for fucking up an early vote for me that I sided against him on everything up until he saved me on the last two votes and it turned out he was actually completely right about Junius and the reason he was so obsessed with dogma was entirely different from what I expected. The Usurper route was kino.

>>4055073
I was hoping Ferdinand would come back and help but lol nope he's completely useless and just loses you rep for conscripting crew for his probably doomed plan.

>>4053365
Definitely, incremental reforms were actually working and could have kept working if Cornelius hadn't forced the Creed on everybody which is what causes the civil war. It makes sense narratively to have him away because he was there in Brante and Jerian needs to handle the Council issues himself but yeah, would have been nice to have him around longer. Looking at the bigger picture Tarquinius wasn't even that big of a problem compared to the rebellion or most of the Council guys' egos especially Monrogue. Hell, Tarquinius is an asshole but most of his complaints are fairly reasonable ("pay me back or forfeit the collateral", "hey these inquisitor fuckers are ransacking my crypts destroying works of art because muh snake picture", "breaking tradition and not marrying my daughter was fucking rude"). But you're stuck with the Gaius having to watch Tarquinius plotline because of Brante, which even there the revolt overshadowed all of it.

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>>4055176
Maybe he was supposed to be the extreme progressive guy like Ogrif who is an extreme dogma guy. And to show the bad sides of extreme progress. You get depressed and die. That's quite the story from the guy named after Magellan. I expected him to circumnavigate the world. Find a new continent, spices anything. Instead he just leaves because he's depressed. What's the point of even having him be this dark horse child in the family if he doesn't even speak up about any opression or desire or anything.

>>4055178
tbf i wish there was an option in which we marry Octavia, seems like it would solve at least half of the problems we would have with Milanidas and it would take them off from our table leaving only Monrogues and other rebels to deal with, also they could make fine allies, it's just Tarquinius is a bit untrustworthy for that too happen, it wasn't even Chars rebellion which caused Tempests to rebuff Octavia as a marraige candidate that was probably just a convenient reason, it was most likely just how Tarquinius behaved when he was a Chancellor

did this crappy vn with little kid writing really need a general for half a decade

>>4055299
Same, you can even side with them and annul your betrothal, it's annoying that you can't follow up on that. I think the point is they'd rather be your opposition, that way they don't have to get into a serious conflict with you or the Orgrifs over the marriage but get to keep winning points from anyone who disagrees with you. It's also why they never start a real rebellion in Magra like Char did, they just want to put pressure on you and cement their own authority. You can actually get along with Tarquinius pretty well on a moderate path and his brother is your best asset, the whole thing is more about noble politicking than actual enmity.
>it wasn't even Chars rebellion which caused Tempests to rebuff Octavia as a marraige candidate that was probably just a convenient reason
Yeah and aside from Tarquinius' antics as Chancellor, Octavia argues that it's about Tarquinius asking for his money back and Servilia wanting the empress to be easier to control (and for both of them to control you as well). Which is biased but there's probably something to it. But there's also the simple fact that the Orgrifs have a history of being more loyal to the Tempests and Char was too great a pretext to not use.

>>4045852
Best route in the game and it's not even close.
Also was that Felipe having a cameo in the first chapter of Jerian?

>>4058105
Yea we see a letter sent by him, >!in which he explains how Sophia works for him and entire march organized by her in the capital was a false flag carried out by the Secret Chancelery!<

>>4058105
Yes, one ending in Jerian even references how Felipe eventually succeeds Milanidas as the leader of Secret Chancellery.
There are also other cameos in obscure endings where Ulrich becomes Flavius' mentor, Ferdinand joins Octavia's ritual and turns into La-Tari, Emil starts working for judge El Borne or Camilla dies fighting Sophia after Gaius' death.

>>4059482
>first ever human on the Imperial Council
Very based. This seems to only happen when you or Uther go through the Unification Mystery and then Marcius becomes Great Chancellor after Gaius rejects it but realistically it should probably happen in most endings when Marcius becomes Archduke and Overseer of Magra. I can't tell if the point is he keeps doing all those jobs along with handling the Secret Chancellery (to be fair he's the most competent dude on the Council he could probably handle it) or if he only has a say in who gets to lead it after him if he's also Chancellor (figured Gaius would be cool with Felipe if Marcius nominated him) or if it's just not mentioned because the history is focused on the immediate events (the Marcius - Chancellor, Felipe - Privy Councilor thing happens right after the end of the game but the Marcius Archduke thing happens further along in the future after the war on gunpowder).

>obscure endings
Wow, nice, I hadn't even gotten some of those. I like how there are so many weird variations you can keep finding new ones.

OK so what are all the ways you can prevent the Twins destroying the world? I'm counting
1. Renegade (Ignorance) - not guaranteed since it just means they check things out for themselves, remember the options you had in Brante
2. Renegade (Agatha) - most likely. Though it's not clear how they'd change the Law exactly.
3. Renegade and just sacrifice yourself for it - technically works but fuck that, besides I doubt it would work forever
4. Either you or your dad sacrifice yourselves to the Tide - works great but what happens when you die? Are you just immortal after that?
5. The Primate + kill Uther whether you pick the Usurper choice or not - same but again what happens later? Still this is the most foolproof way of stopping them and I don't get why you can't just do the same thing on other routes if you have high Will or why it doesn't count if you let Uther live since he's dead at the time the Twins haven't yet entered the world so why is Orgrif mad
What annoys me about Renegade is you have to metagame to get it, without knowing what effect those choices have it's silly that your character knows that keeping silent at first won't get you killed but explaining what you mean will, and that explaining what you mean the second time will actually work that specific time. And then what annoys me about Primate is that you have to kill Junius to get it instead of doing the same thing on any of the other times the Twins try to do something through you.

>>4052098
Cornelius, Uther, and especially Ferdinand are fucking small potatos in comparison to Servilia and Flavius. Cornelius clearly is grooming you to accept his ideals, but treats you decently so long as you aren't a full on traditionalist. Uther is just a depressed gay fuck-up who was forced into a job he was not fit for by his stupid fucking father and his stupid and evil fiance, the worst of his crimes are moping about. I also think painting him placing his lover on the council as anything more than an obvious counter-balance to Monrogue's power play is stupid. Ferdinand's biggest crime is...what? Not wanting to deal with his crazy relative's bullshit? Hard to fault him for that.

Gaius is a real bro, though, for sure. I'll always make sure he makes up with his lady.

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>>4061092
You can simply ignore everything Servilia and Flavius do and tell them no, the worst is if you're a full on progressive and are mad at losing Cornelius. But Uther and Cornelius are the ones causing the entire mess by forcing the Creed through instead of allowing for slower reforms that don't immediately trigger civil war, and they don't even bother to tell you about it beforehand. More importantly everything Uther does hurts you directly, from pressuring you into doing his job for him but blaming you when you can't do it perfectly to trying to make you abdicate on behalf of all the Tempests, putting Gnaeus on the Council is to try and make this happen not just to vote on generic reforms. And if we're counting the absolute worst if you listen to a family member, Servilia's plot is terrible but Uther's, which Gnaeus insists on, kills literally everyone in the world.
Ferdinand is just annoying and spoiled though, and at least you can ignore most of it so he's not as bad.

>>4061349
She was obviously going to be terrible from the start and I refused to do that to Gaius. Tried a Cam playthrough later to see just how bad it could get and yeah, horrible trainwreck with no upside for anyone. I'd feel bad for Gaius in the normal endings but at least they do love each other and the Tide mostly fixes her. That one ending where everything goes to hell and she raises an army and goes on a bloody crusade to avenge him is one of her few good moments.

>>4061349
Lucretia really is the best girl, but that's not really a high bar desu, that revenge part at the end could really fuck you up or just straight up ruin her relationship with her to the point that she refuses to put out tho, she's also a bit cold and formal. there are legit zero romance options in this game who actually love you unlike in Brante in which you could have had genuine unbreakable bond with every love interest, but i suppose that the the route that they chose for Jerian is intended to be opposite since he's the prince and all

>>4061901
**I remember that i enabled Uther in my first playthrough made him go on the pilgrimage, became pater familias so he wasn't dissapointed in me, protected him from Servilia, then i also allowed him to wear the mask and the world just ended lmao, after that i replayed the chapter except i didn't allow him to wear the mask (causing me to lose a sanity point btw) and continued to indulge him otherwise, i speared Gnaeus from Orgrif so that he wouldn't be pissed and then blam when i confronted him about facing the twins he refused, saying that the bloodtide would consume him and that he would effectively die and he doesn't want that even tho he was totally ok with dying by the mask that way, at that moment i just snapped and rebuked him.** tbf i honestly pity him since he was thrusted into ruling the Empire which he didn't want plus he's mcs father and seeing him in such tired state constantly is a bit sad but everything has it's limits, i denied him a pilgrimage after that, apart from when i did a liberal playthrough

>>4061991
Yeah I was very sympathetic because of his backstory but he pulls so much bullshit on you if you keep enabling him. The fact that he's arguing that he can't sacrifice himself because he loves you too much seems nice and sad at first but then you realize he damn fucking well knows it's either you or him having to do it or the world dies and he's just relieved that you won't make him do it instead of horrified that this shifts the burden on you to sacrifice yourself in his stead like you've basically had to do the whole game.
There's a lot of this in the game actually, characters who seem sympathetic and well-meaning but if you go along with them you realize they don't actually understand how things work and you just get fucked over if you mindlessly follow them. Funniest example is Junius, yeah the Gods will sure change their minds if you send yourself to hell, trust me bro.

>>4061985
Definitely the best choice overall, the revenge isn't that bad if you're not doing a Tyranny playthrough (note Usurper doesn't count as one), you can just pick the kill randos option. She doesn't love you but she's upfront about it and she's right that in the position you're in absolute loyalty and trust are worth much more. Now Agatha does genuinely love you, she is just a terrible choice for your wife mechanically. She doesn't want to leave you to be a prophet, she is simply one of the very few people in the game who can realize that what they personally want is not the best choice for the world and she will still only do it if you make the choice for her, what she wants emotionally is to just be with you and love you forever even if it ends badly for the both of you. Still wish you could marry Octavia instead even if it couldn't last.

>>4061901
>And if we're counting the absolute worst if you listen to a family member, Servilia's plot is terrible but Uther's, which Gnaeus insists on, kills literally everyone in the world.
Counter-point: Uther listens to you when you say no and doesn't even get that upset about it, from memory, Servilia's actively hostile. To me it's just the difference in intention.Uther isn't naturally malicious, just self-absorbed in a way a lot of people with mental health issues are, but I do think he clearly cares about his family I speak from the experience having a father similarly depressed 24/7, though, so I'll admit I'm biased. I think the same is true of Cornelius - not naturally malicious, just an ideologue who can't see the bigger picture.

>>4062003
Uther gets upset at some of those too, try not getting the ring at the end of that chapter. Servilia is pissed in the moment but then fucks off out of the capital and doesn't cause any more trouble meanwhile the entire game is Uther causing trouble for you. I agree that Uther and Cornelius think they're doing the right thing but Servilia thinks that too and she only gets really bad after they take her maiden mask away so on that point they're all pretty similar.

>>4062000
Bruh don't get me started on Junius lmao, he was like "yea i know that god made the lots and they are 100% legit, however...i personally don't like them so im going to try to guiltrip and gaslight them into changing their law, even tho it's literally impossible until some miracle happens and the elder revives himself' literal retard, i agree as much as the next guy that gods need to learn forgiveness and love but that's not the way to do it.
also speaking of enabling people and then telling them to fuck off, i also did the same with Flavius on my first playthrough as well, trained him to be a mage and literally gave him everything and then that retard started to hunt people into forest, safe to say i destroyed him as the younger both literally and figuratively. also Emil and Martha, i made the mistake and made them noblemen of the sword, turns out they are massive degens, i tried to talk some sense into martha but it changed jack shit they still continued to be degens, after that i still pitied them and gave to Flavius for patronage but you know how it ends, at that point of the story my Jerian was on his cold hearted nothing the empire matters arc, went from being a love and will filled prince to law and blood filled one, one of the reasons was that people who i gave my trust to used and abused it in bad faith not once or twice but constantly. Martha and Emil were buried in some shallow grave in the forest.

>>4062001
True marrying Octavia would have fixed so many things literally, maybe we could have gotten our debt reduced or even canceled as the dowry for marriage, but nah Octavia can't be manipulated by Servilia as easily as Lucretia and Tarquinius has to be a massive dick as well and ruin his image and relationships with the imperial family when he served as the great chancellor

>>4026767
Ost was alright, but nothing beats hearing this at the credits, it's calm, serene, and bittersweet, even if you failed it will still make you fill alright since you're finally with the twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwhAWJKHQs

>>4062020
>Flavius
Lol same, had to burn a sanity too, I had tried to balance supporting and scolding him but I apparently had too good a relationship with him and got the crazy hunt version.
>Emil and Martha
You can get them a better ending but it's a pain. My first try I got them to clean up their act but then they got friendly with the gunpowder rebels and Emil decided snitching on them was against his honor. At that point I had really high rebellion and was all out of fucks to give so I sided with Marcius and told them to cough up the names and fuck off. But yeah these plotlines can make for great character arcs for Jerian.

>>4055167
Usurper ending is cool though it is annoying how it's liberal/red leaning. I had to sacrifice all 4 mental locks to get it on my traditionalist playthrough lol. It was funny how I united the whole family at dinner only to stab Uther two scenes later.

>>4062039
Have managed it on moderate and traditionalist playthroughs while at full sanity but yeah those locks need advance knowledge and micromanaging. I prefer going through listening to Junius and then telling people the truth at the trial rather than handing him to the Inquisition but then you have to be very careful to not burn your bridges with both faiths. It's also funny how the outcast plotline starts with saving Dion because family is more important than principles and it ends with you killing your family because the ends justify the means, Julia was based though and ironically killing him keeps him alive in the Blood Tide instead of one of you being consumed. Should have have had an option to get him to abdicate because you can handle the Gods but maybe they would always have broken through him if he was alive?.

>lol got you with a fail state because you didnt adequately budget revolution points two chapters ahead

Dogshit games that encourage meta.

These kinds of Rpgs are always the fucking worst because playing them naturally leads you to throwing stats all over the place.

Oh wait you didn’t antagonise your and sister two chapters ago for points with mommy because you didn't like the options? Sorry, she has to die!

>>4062051
That's an issue with some things but lol revolution is a skill issue. You should be budgeting revolution all the time. Don't completely piss off more than one estate. Don't get pinnacle of anything or at least don't get more than one. Pick options that reduce revolution whenever you have them, if you're constantly ignoring all the warnings you get and picking "nice" options every time you will suffer for it later, that's a feature not a bug.

I wanna be an absolutist autocrat who pragmatically values competency and loyalty over blood and rejects the gods (puts himself as the only god)
what do I need to do to achieve this

>>4062081
you can write the creed to have absolute monarchy and give humans some rights, just read what council members you need the support of and work on that
you can do the usurper path for absolute control but that's harder and best left for later playthroughs
you can't openly reject the gods but you can do a thing to stop them from enacting their will on you and the world, read the primate description in chapter 4

>you can ban human nobility in the Creed
lmao I can image Stephan and Grandfather seething

>>4036264

Sort of? If you somehow manage to die during the rebellion without also being a complete fuck up your hedonist wizard brother Flavius takes the throne. Among other unsavoury things that he does as an emperor he declares himself to be an equal to the twins and orders so that no statue to the twins can be made without a statue of himself. It's explicitly stated that Cult of Flavius is a Willist heresy of that timeline. "Just as the Elder is a conduit meant to bring divine Love into the world and the Younger is a conduit to bring divine Law into the world so too the Emperor is a conduit of the divine Will to impose itself upon the world and therefore His Majesty is equal to the gods."