Let's talk about what you think is gonna happen in the future chapters.
>>4052264i love how it's mispelled
>>4052324Didn't notice it before, pretty funny.
I think the game will get a 60 fps updatelol
>>4052332nah, toby is too much of a lazy cuck+ he'd have to do it for all the previous chapters
>>4052332Toby Fox is retarded and won't make the game 60fps even though many people have asked for it. It's a stylistic, even if a retarded one.
>>4052333the lol implied I dont believe it for a secondI cant believe almost nobody notices teh 30fps shmup gameplay is incredibly awful and unresponsive and I gotta assume its becasue most fans are casualshits that dont know the first thing about videogames and only got in because of le funny skeletons and now le funny lesbians
>>4052335isn't there a mod for 60FPS anyway?
>>4052319That's a sexy little twink
>>4052319I wanna impregnate Loli Kris! I wanna marry loli Kris! I wanna cuddle with loli Kris!
>>4052336Not for ch5 afaik, and doesnt that just makes my point for me? its not a difficult thing to implement yet toby refuses to do soIt means he doesnt really gives a fuck about the gameplayId be so embarrassed to release such a game
>Nobody gives a single shit about Titans anymoreToby truly killed his own game.
>>4052344>nobody gives a shit about a gimmick fightyeah no shit
>>4052344Nobody ever gave a shit about them in the first place except for those Chapter 7 concepts back then.
>>4052344We had 1 and it gets killed in chapter 4, what's there to care about? Shit we don't even know if the roaring's gonna happen and we're gonna see more of them.
>>4052344defeating the titan by just dunking kris inside is just such a cop out, now we know all we have to do is craw up their assholes and let the soul do its light thing from within
>>4052341Toby actively hates his tranny fanbase and only interacts with his nippon fans
>>4052353Still going with this cope?
Guys guys hear me out I figured it out>73>7BB resembles a 3It IS the original route that ends in failureWhile normal route is 74
>>4052353Toby loves trannies and if chapter 5 didn't make you aware of this then I don't know what to tell you
>>4052353Id expect the Japanese fans to be more critical of this since they actually play shmups
what is this 74 shit even about, DR's next 67?
>>4052355so the moral of the game is to stop trying to break the story and just accept that you are fucked, the fuck?
>>4052358read the other threads
>>4052359Yeah the moral is don't play games written by hacks and go touch grass
>>4052360faggot
>>4052353>Toby actively hates his tranny fanbaseIf this was true he wouldn't make blue a gay nigger that does the ishowspeed meme face and would've kept the original concept of him being a crossdressing buzz lightyear.
>>4052362dude it takes you 10 seconds to open the other threads and make a search for "<space> 74 <space>"It gets real tiring having to spoonfeed you people every single day
>>4052355>74>7ATHE EVIDENCE KEEPS BEING GREATERGREATER, YET GREATER
>>4052355Schizophrenia?
>DRfags: "We can't use /vg/ because it's extremely low quality and is full of trannies!">Proceed to act like insufferable trannies anyway
>>4052369Transexuals out of nowhere?
>>4052369what did you expect of a fanbase filled with children?
>>4052371Those "children" can't take the fucking hint that they shouldn't spam the board with so many fucking threads. It would be one thing if it one or two threads only and then once it gets they can make another one, but they have to make several fucking threads. I've seen the responses about why they can't they move to /vg/ and they act the exact same fucking thing as those trannies anyway. Literally no difference.
>>4052365>Toby has spoiled every ending to his magnum opus in a series of j-pop tier songs sung by his waifu
>>4052369Are you trying to meme that into reality? because it hasnt happened
>>4052373take it out on the jannies, nigger
>>4052373>once it gets they can make another oneonce it gets ARCHIVED they can make another one*>>4052375>meme that into reality Listen you underage retard, you should stop acting like an insufferable faggot if you want people here to tolerate you. Your dogshit game isn't even an RPG anymore.
>>4052373the other threads are 3000 replies long already, its fint to make another one, and its really not such a big deal
>>4052344Toby is a visionary in that stuff people expected to be saved for later like the knight or titans showed up in the chapters 3-4 while everything else that was expected to be paced throughout the game is being saved for the final chapter
>>4052377Dude Im middle aged, the only one acting insufferable is you, the thread was doing great unless you had to come in and try to fuck it up>dogshit game isn't even an RPG anymore.And there it is, you just hate the game and want it gone from this board tooGo fuck yourself loser
>>4052376the jannies are useless, sooner or later this board will be like /qa/ where schizophernic retards spam the threads with their dogshit (like Deltarune) and it'll be borderline unusable.>>4052378You already have one thread that's 16 replies and one thread that's almost 300 replies. Use one of these before making a new thread.
>>4052353Explain why chapter 5 was the gayest chapter SO FAR
>>4052319This is the thread.>>4052339This but with the Undertale loli humans, too.https://litter.catbox.moe/2juodg50mn6jd5er.png
>>4052378IThere's multiple threads that aren't even close to the bump limit, but you're allergic to using them for arbitrary reasons that befit a /vg/ fag. In fact, this entire arguing about thread posting etiquette is /vg/ tier.
>>4052380seething 40 year old manlet
>>4052380>Middle aged>Acting like a kidEmbarrassing. >And there it is, you just hate the game and want it gone from this board tooDumb nigger, you spamming this tumblr game makes me hate it even more than I should. Chapter 1 and 2 are the only good parts of this game but Toby the dumb kike made it a gimmicky game with dialogue that appeals to trannies now. It genuinely isn't even an RPG anymore.
>>4052353Toby hates his chud western fanbase actually.
Question to Deltarunefags, are you going to thoerypost your shitty game for an entire fucking year and make multiple threads? This is just fucking /vg/ behavior.
>>4052373Just report the excess threads, jannies occasionally delete them.
>>4052389>are you going to thoerypost your shitty game for an entire fucking year and make multiple threads?yeah
>>4052389You can only blame the /v/ janny for this, he caused the spillover. If a game can populate multiple boards months after release banning it is just asking for it
>>4052393if they haven't done anything the hype would have naturally died down
>>4052389Yeah I'll stay here until mods make us a proper board
>>4052383That but with the Undertale Yellow human too.
Technically there could also be Deltarune threads on /mu/.
my least favorite part about deltarune theories is how much they disregard how seemingly important dragon blazers is too the narrative
>>4052355https://youtu.be/poKI_MY0Bkw
>>4052403On one hand, you're right that Dragon Blazers is important, on the other hand, when are the events we know of going to start actually appearing? The fire mage leaving the party, for example, when is that happening? Chapter 5 seemed like the perfect spot for it, but it didn't happen. Is it gonna happen in chapter 6?
>>4052406it already happened, just not in this deltarune we are playing
>>4052405This song is so good, but it's a shame there isn't a version without Toby's frat boy voice
Since I laid my eyes on YOU, Skies have been forever blue.
>>4052408it wouldn't be the same without toby being a chuuni
>>4052406>Chapter 5 seemed like the perfect spot for it, but it didn't happen.Fucking this, Chapter 5 was the perfect timing to deliver new insights, ideas or stakes.The retarded "lEt'S eNjOy 1 LaSt AdVeNtUrE tOgEtHeR!!!" ruined the pacing. I wasn't asking for a full melodramatic chapter, but not a nothingburger like that.
>>4052409Vessel kiss-draining you to steal your SOUL for themselves.
>>4052319>>4052338>>4052339>>4052383This thread will be terrible because it was made by femkrisfags. They are not here to discuss the game but to jerk off to Kris. They are coomers and don't care about the discussion.
https://youtu.be/24FEoGOa9r8I miss BIG SHOT era
>>4052414>poopdick schizo
>>4052411It was still melodramatic. None of the characters had any fun. Ralsei was assmad the whole time, Kris was just being dragged along after his cuck third wheeling and Susie was thinking of Noelle the whole time.
>>4052417Who?
>>4052411>>4052419I really think Toby's definition of fun is just completely different from ours, I don't see any other explanation.
>>4052348I mean the Roaring is in the prophecy so I sort of expect it to happen, it's kind of the climax of the game.
>>4052421toby just likes being tongue in cheek, it was fun for us gameplay wise but obviously not fun for the characters in the story and the group doubts themselves more and more
There is no point in moving threads when the image limit is filled. Talk with text like a real man instead of some zoomer faggot that needs reaction images for everythingInsert a pepe holding a sign saying "FACT" with one hand and pointing at it with the other hand
>>4052421At least I'm glad normies are somewhat getting annoyed as well. They gently mock him every time he's trying to damage control. This faggot better delivers or he will be remembered as the guy that failed a 10-years project at the very end.
>>4052421It's sad. Toby nailed fun in chapter 1.I have legit concluded that he must be a different person now.
>>4052411Sorry I was too busy enjoying the game to remember we're playing a serious grimdark visual novel.
>>4052421>>4052426>>4052425If you don't like 90% of the time that encompasses this game (which does not address the main plot and is in fact the fun adventures) you don't like the game.
this thread sucks, maybe banning the threads off /v/ was a good thing, you guys don't even fucking like the game and probably never did
>>4052412After everything they've been through my grey daughter deserves to have it.
>>4052429If you don't like chapter 1 you don't like the game. The rest of the game is inferior. You must be one of the faggots who argued it was "too old" and "needed to be remade".
>>4052430>this thread sucksBlame femkrisfags, they can't help but push their fetish everywhere.
>>4052432chapter 3 is still the best chapter btw
>>4052429>you don't like the game.Well you're not completely wrong, in spite of having put over 60 hours into the game, the more time passes the more I dislike it. There are things I like about it of course, but my opinion on the game overall is starting to sour more and more.
>>4052425>This faggot better delivers or he will be remembered as the guy that failed a 10-years project at the very end.This will be the equivalent to TADC or Homestuck finale but x10 more insane, already seeing xitterfags rioting that their theories might be wrong.
>>4052344The Roaring is fated to be stopped, who cares.
>>4052389Until we return to /v/, yes.
>>4052429We've had more time with demo deltarune than deltarune with chapter 3 and beyond. Technically speaking the truest deltarune is the one pre ch3 era. I like ch3 and ch4 even if they aren't the complete oldsoul that was promised to us during the big shot era, and ch5 was a big fat nothingburger in terms of lore. You niggers refuse to understand that we're only TWO chapters away from finalizing the game and Toby still has NOT tried to answer ANY of his fucking mysteries. People do not want a fucking loredump
>>4052419>None of the characters had any fun. Ralsei was assmad the whole time, Kris was just being dragged along after his cuck third wheeling and Susie was thinking of Noelle the whole timeIt was interesting to see the group being thrown in what's essentially Chapter 1 again and being unable to appreciate it. It's like meeting your high school best friend and being awkward all day as tentatives to recapture the easy camaraderie fail.
>>4052430>you guys don't even fucking like the game and probably never didThe game has been falling apart. So many unanswered questions and we only have two chapters left, the RPG focus has been completely abandoned for mini-games or 2D platforming. Chapter 1 and 2 are radically different than what the game turned out to be, blame Tony for turning this game into a 10 year journey.
>>4052432I like chapter 1, chapter 2, chapter 3, chapter 4 and chapter 5. You are a LARPER. You're a secondary little bitch obsessed over a game you don't like.>>4052435Then leave. Sunk cost fallacy isn't good for you, you are just stuck wasting your time over a piece of media you've already decided you're not going to enjoy
>>4052442>only 2 chapters left>as if that isn't ~20 hours of content leftyou are all fucking RETARDED
>>4052442>Chapter 1 and 2 are radically different than what the game turned out to beHow so? They're more episodic?
>>4052389Can’t do much else. Can’t have drawfags or even horny post with the image cap, and these threads are super stretched out and we need SOMETHING to talk about.
>>4052444>20 hours of content Stop dickriding Tobio too much.
The most interesting demographic here is the people who somehow convinced themselves that Deltarune was this serious dark fantasy epic game and they actively hate any humor in the game because they feel like it’s mocking them (they glaze the fuck out of Queen and Berdly)
>>4052443Sorry but I am not going to leave, I'm going to see this thing through, even if only for the weird route, which I still fully enjoy. Also I didn't decide shit, the game just took way longer than I thought it would to release and the story progressed in some ways that I didn't really like, I didn't wake up one day and just decide to start disliking the game.
>>4052449>Deltarune was this serious dark fantasy epic gameHow do you reach that conclusion when Chapter 1 has fucking Lancer?
>>40524341 and 3 are the best, yeah
>>4052449The humor is cool, I just hate suselle and unfortunately the shadow of suselle cannot be escaped which leads me to enjoy chapter 5 less than I otherwise would. Chapter 2 had a similar problem but it did not feel as bad at the time.
>>4052451there are people that have played undertale, moved onto to playing deltarune, and don't care about the meta narrative aspect of deltarune as if that isn't single handily the most important aspect of the game
>>4052451you would be surprised at the amount of people whose idea of Chapter 1 is just the visual aesthetics and>wow guys King is EVIL ugh Toby finally did it EVIL for the sake of EVIL (these stupid niggers literally do not pay attention to any dialogue in the game)
>>4052443Watch out guys we've got toby's top cocksucker right here>>4052444>ch6 is going to be a brief chapter, according to tobias>mfw ch6 is 2 hours of gastergang kahoots and ch7 is the 18 hour long promised lederdumpYou faggots think this is fun? What do you even do with the answers when they appear one hour away from the game finalizing? That's the fun thing of a storyIf Toby decided to publish the game in one release none of this would happen and he would stay known as a legendary indie dev but he decided to go the retard route and hype it endlessly while taking a year to release each chapterPlease someone just infiltrate his team and leak the whole script already like brazilian apes did with the troony digital circus movie
>>4052456if your entire complaint relies on the fact that it's a chapter release, you are free to wait until the full game is out. fucking retard.
>>4052456>If Toby decided to publish the game in one releaseit would literally be forgotten kekroflmao
>>4052457I will have a wife and kids by then no thanks>>4052458With how many people grew up with Undertale I don't think it would, it would basically be him announcing undertale 2 a decade later
>>4052456>You faggots think this is fun? What do you even do with the answers when they appear one hour away from the game finalizing?Didn't the exact same thing happen in Undertale, structure-wise? What kind of person is Asgore, how to get home, what's in Alphys's bathroom, where the fuck are Toriel's children, who's Flowey - all of that is answered in New Home at the earliest.
>>4052443>You're a secondary little bitch obsessed over a game you don't like.Why the gatekeeping? Out of all media fandoms I've been in, it's always the faggots like you who pretend to like every fucking cum drop the creator releases who have felt the most cucked in the end.
https://undertale.jadenthejaded.uk/Humanbros, show me your souls.
So if chapter 7 is going to be comically long just to properly handle all the big mysteries here’s a wild idea. Why not couldn’t Toby just pace out a lot of the reveals to happen in the EARLIER chapters that way he could flesh them out more and avoid the complaint of a lot of the chapters being filler
Have you played SOULblazers?
>>4052463No. Pervert.
>>4052446Chapter 1 had the king that was probably the closest to killing the main cast, then Queen became more nicer because Toby couldn't commit but she still wanted to rule the world. This isn't even talking about the schizo bosses which has empowered the threads to be extremely lasting for years, Jevil and Spamton were so good that people I know even know them through cultural osmosis. Tenna is not a bad guy and did not work with the knight, the sword route while cool in theory wasn't as good, Toby cucked out with not making Gerson a fucked up evil version in Susie's world which shows that making the dark fountains was a mistake (besides the titan). I've talked a lot about this before but Toby's vision was clearly different compared to chapter 1 and 2. He now has a team of producers messing with his game.>>4052451>>4052454>>4052455Lancer was a joke until Susie almost wanted to kill him, and the King almost killed the fucking team. Ralsei even at the end of chapter 1 was like "I guess we do need to fight, things can't be peacefully resolved every time" before Toby making this Undertale 2
>>4052462What makes you think your bitching and whining is going to change anything? Toby isn't re-writing the game at this point, he's not changing plans of his dream project he conceptualized over 10 years ago because anonymous is bitching about it. If you're not having fun, you should leave
>>4052464because he loves mother 3
>>4052463Yes. Pervert.
>>4052466Yeah, t'was good. The Cognitive Factory or whatever was annoying, but everything else was top notch.Also it's funny how Noelle - forma del Snowgrave - is the best character from an attack standpoint.
>>4052470>he's not changing plans of his dream project he conceptualized over 10 years ago because anonymous is bitching about it. If you're not having fun, you should leaveDumb cocksucker, he keeps showing off cut content on his blog and he only had a fever dream for the ENDING. The journey he hasn't planned properly.
>>4052469>Toby cucked out with not making Gerson a fucked up evil version in Susie's world why would this happen
>>4052474for he game he had nothing planned for besides the ending i would say he did a pretty good job
>>4052469>Tenna not work with the knight>Toby cucked out with not making Gerson a fucked up evil version in Susie's world which shows that making the dark fountains was a mistake (besides the titan).Didn't both of these literally happen?
>>4052475Because that's what the Gerson statue fight should've been like and it makes Susie think "holy shit maybe we really should stop the Dark Fountains".
>>4052475the person you are talking too is the equivalent of spanish one piece fans that wanted gear death
>>4052476You and a few others think so, but the backlash to chapter 5 and the reevaluation of the game had people change their minds.
>>4052480sure thing buddy, see you on the chapter 6 release
>>4052480Holy shit... The backlash... ohh the Horrible Backlash...
>"BRO STOP CRITICIZING OUR GOD TOBY!"How is this different than the typical anon from /vg/ now? lol
>>4052463Interesting result.
>>4052460Undertale was divided in a demo and a release, it still has sketchy pacing but atleast the game was soul, had real stakes and the writing was definitely less convoluted than Deltarune's. The real questions were gaster, the amalgamates, chara and asriel. Deltarune has like 4 times the amount of that, and up until this point only TWO characters (tenna and jackenstein, which are darkners i.e. not even real people) die if you follow ONE route of the game (violent route/no recruits) and that's if you don't count berdly as he is in a comma but not in a fully deceased state, and he MIGHT return in later chapters if you've aborted post ch2
>>4052481>>4052482>Kids can't handle the fact that their game is just a 6/10 and not 10/10 kino where everything Toby is 10-step keikakou dori or whateverThe /v/ threads were way better than this dogshit
>>4052483Hey, no one is saying you can't continue your crusade of light, but it's also not gonna stop people from making fun of you.
>>4052487>crusadeif you can't handle criticism then go to /vg/ with the other freaks.
>>4052483If you ask me personally, I think the real problem is that you guys just fucking loathe the Darkner throughline but you guys use shitting on Toby as a buffer because you want to be safe negative.
All the pacingfags demand the game to have the same cadence as a full non episodic game while at the same time every chapter must have a full fulfilling mysterybox arc for them. If you cut up undertale in 7 slices would any of them be as good as a single deltarune chapter?
>>4052485You are just ab edgy faggot that want everyone to die because that's considered good writing in your mind. I'm glad losers like you are not writing Deltarune.
>>4052486When you edge your audience for a decade it's bound to occur that expectations warranting the wait fly through the roof
>>4052463>perserverance + justice + determinationWho the fuck are you even? Some kind of cop or something?>>4052472>justice + kindness + determinationGood knight in shining armor? Have you rescued the Princess from the tower yet?>>4052484C-Chara?!
>>4052489The only darkner I truly hate is Ralsei, the others range from meh to very cool or funny characters.
>>4052469From my point of the view the bosses are relatively similar.>King: "Lightners abandonned us...yet they dare to move against our font of dark?">Queen: "World Domination Lol (And Maybe Turn Your Face Into A Robot)">Tenna: "Now don't touch that dial! We'll keep that show's going forever! All your best memories were made beneath the cathode glow! Don't you want to be happy?!">Flowery: "What's waiting for Asgore out there? A broken life? He deserves better than that."It's always about the fantasy head honcho trying to keep things as they are/under their control.The only outlier is the Titan, mostly because the Sancturies didn't have a functionning society. It's more like fighting a skeletal dragon.
>>4052490Undertale as a whole is better than DR so far, so yes probably.
>>4052491I am just demonstrating that UT cannot be compared to DR
>>4052463i guess we can use a few image slots for this
>>4052490We waited 8 fucking years, retard, every single one has the right to complain about the fucking pacing, holy shit where did you retarded niggers come from?
Imagine if we were still stuck with Chapter 1 and we didn’t have to deal with Doefags or Spamtonfags- wait holy shit that sounds amazing
>>4052414Cry about it.
>>4052500If I were to modify one thing of Deltarune it would be making Noelle stay a side character
>>4052470But I'm having fun watching you being retard. Why would I leave?
>>4052500Deltarune as a fandom would be dead for over ten years.
Hm...
>>4052500i was a doefag then so i'd still be a doefag nowsorry
>>4052463>Everything is above 60%How did you do it?>>4052484Anon, admit it, how many people have you killed?
>>4052505Asriel or Noelle, call it
>>4052430The fact we can't post images, threads last forever and 5 raped HMOFAkeks means the threads are doomed to being negative.
>>4052449eh people definitely overblow how seriously chapter 1 was bit it did have a certain level of edge to it. between how susie acted, to king's fight setting up the idea that sparing won't always work, to the game actually setting itself up as a more "earnest" rpg compared to undertale. I know that FennekinFaggot guy went on about how deltarune's comedy went from mostly revolving around simple character banter to zany "meme" humor. also this fanbase is just obsessed with the idea of these games getting even remotely serious between how popular characters like sans, chara, or gaster were to the amount of fan content genocide or the weird route gets people REALLY want these glup shittos to suffer
>>4052463There's already a /v/ thread about this so just post there
>>4052514>posting on /v/
>>4052515We're literally /v/ refugees.
>>4052510>I know that FennekinFaggot guy went on about how deltarune's comedy went from mostly revolving around simple character banter to zany "meme" humor. which is funny because Chapter 1 and especially Chapter 2 are loaded with Invader Zim type of lolrandumb humor (I fucking love it)
>>4052516and the longer you think of yourself like that the less you'll enjoy yourself
>>4052500If we were still on Chapter 1 Deltarune threads wouldn't have been kicked off of /v/, primarily because we'd get 1-2 threads a month at best and those would probably get archived before hitting 10 posts.
>>4052498>bravery 70%>perserverance 70%Why did it choose bravery over perserverance? They have the same percentage.
>>4052514Link it
>>4052521No, janny might see and delete it. Just browse the catalog.
>>4052520according to the website perseverance was 0.2 points behind, so there was barely a difference there but enough to put it overkinda wish it let you see the precise percentages on them all though, i'm kinda curious what the difference was between integrity and determination too
>>4052463>>4052514It comes from /vg/ it's the /vg/ falseflagger trying to derail our threads by bringing up his schizos and linking stupid shit
>>4052524Meds
>>4052524Schizophrenia.
cool
>>4052524The /vg/ falseflagger? Me.
Where are all the Integritybros and Patiencebros?
>>4052532On /v/.
>>4052420That's you
>>4052430Chapter 5 ruined the game, if you liked it picrel is (You)
>>4052535To be fair this is the actual audience Toby is making the game for.
>>4052535It was fun luvIf the game ain't funWhy bother?
>>4052535Average Susellefag
>>4052463Likert scale tests like that don't work for me because when it posits a question, I can recall two experiences that contradict eachother and leave me with an uncertain conclusion, and picking Neutral all the time is not going to give me a certain result. I guess I am simply too pragmatic.
https://youtu.be/LoZ4UjoGzf8What if Ramb hosted the Game Awards?
>>4052533>patiencebros WAITED for a deltarune thread on /v/ while integrityfags refuse to use these threads due to resembling generalsMakes sense
>>4052463guess i'm far more of a softie than I realize
>>4052545Anon is a cute!
>>4052505>>4052527>>4052545Why are there so many kindnessfags? The same thing is happening in the /v/ thread.
>>4052463I will WASTE an image on this thread so I can be selfish and post MY SOUL
>>4052548i will admit, I wasn't expecting the questions to end up being so goddamn heavy.>You would like to love yourself the way you are, but you rarely can. SA>You would rather be hated than having to pretend you're someone else. SA>Others would say you're close-minded, or stuck in your ways. SA>You are more critical of yourself than you are of others. SA>Being liked matters more to you than being understood. SDi'm not sure what the egg means here.>>4052549some people are just that nice.
>>4052549Green soul is the one you get for being a sissy doormat IRL too afraid to raise up your voice
>>4052463Uh oh.
>>4052549Is it surprising to you?At the 'CORE', it's people who signed for the "I hope you can be friends with everyone" schtick, who empathize maybe too much with Kris' plight and at their worst complain about not being able to fulfill their mission.Worse still, they talk about vidya.
>>4052552
>>4052544I'm an integritybro and I posted on /v/ to not waste the image limit here unlike you retards.
>>4052553December?!
>>4052556>But he refused not to waste the image limit
>>4052553>simply a cage with human partsokay so why is kris represented by a monster soul
As a determinationchad I will PROCEED to waste another image slot.
Lancer OWNS this image slot.
>>4052463Total troon death btw
>>4052561As a fellow determinationchad I agree!
https://youtu.be/1vgDb2EYhTA
>>4052565anon, did you lie on mr G's personality test...?
>>4052569The questions were about being kind towards your LOVED ones, not strangers
>>4052463i'm the only one that got the egg itt kek.
>>4052570You can't hide, now everyone is aware you are kind. You wouldn't hurt a Darkner.
>>4052571>>4052545nevermind i am a retard.
>>4052572I don't plan on hurting Darkners to begin with. I only want to kill Susie and Ralsei.
FOOLISHNESSYOU THINK YOU ARE WASTING IMAGE SLOTS, BUT YOU ARE ACTUALLY ON PACE FOR A LONG LASTING THREAD
HERE I COME HOMETOWN MASSACREEEEE
The test seems to be biased in that some questions are obvious correct answers which are always in the "I agree" range.Also everybody is getting KINDNESS is because it seems to tie "tells the truth like it is to other people" to kindness.
>>4052344>>4052379Behold, the most poorly paced RPG of all.And simply swapping 4 and 5 would solve a lot of issues.
So if Kris can’t enter the dark world without us “presumably because he’d become a darkner what would happen if we entered a dark world without a vessel?
>>4052607Our light insta closes the dark world.
>>4052460Once again, Frisk's and Asgore's goals where clear from the start. Flowey was also established as a character from the start, explaining a lot about himself.A ton of stuff gets revealed through items, signs, NPCs and such before you reach New Home.Asriel and Chara are the only things dumped near the end, and even Asriel had more build up relative to what Dess has now.
>>4052088Chapter 4 is when Deltarune broke one of the cardinal rules of mystery fiction. Susie is the detective character, she's the one investigating and trying to solve the mystery. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE IS THE DETECTIVE ALLOWED TO HIDE EVIDENCE FROM THE PLAYER. Susie not sharing the final prophecy is indefensible bullshit and means this game isn't mystery. It's mystery box.
>>4052610Huh. Then what are we, or rather, what are Human Souls?
>>4052600>The test seems to be biased in that some questions are obvious correct answersSeems like the bias is on you for thinking these are the obvious correct answers.
>>4052604I’ll give Toby SOME leniency and assume the tonal whiplash from 4 to 5 was intentional. The game seems to be setting up Susie as getting way to complacent right before shit hits the fan and all the “cute” shit has a level of unease after what we’ve been through. Problem is that still isn’t an excuse for the chapter not paying off shit and now the tone is in shambles
>>4052613The counter-argument to this is that Deltarune is not a detective story, it might have mysteries, and an episodic format, but it's not a detective story. The counter-counter-argument is that, since it's not a detective story, then it should have not been written in this manner, specifically it shouldn't have used the episodic format with multiple years between releases since it gives people the wrong impression of what the story is gonna be.
>>4052612>Once again, Frisk's and Asgore's goals where clear from the start....We know Frisk's goal?As for Asgore, we knew he wanted to kill us and claim our soul for the barrier, and that everyone else died already. That's like saying we know the Roaring Knight wants to kidnap code holders and creates fountains/Titans.Without the reasoning behind their actions, it's murky at best.
>>4052568Toby would never use those guitars though
>>4052622but he already did?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYScugBAWQ4
>>4052621Frisk's goal is your goal. If you want to fuck around, so does Frisk. If you want to spare everyone, then so does Frisk, and that goal evolves into saving everyone as seen in the Lost Soul sequence where it's implied that's what Frisk told Toriel in the Ruins. If you want to kill everyone, so does Frisk.
>>4052619Arguing Deltarune is not a mystery story is asinine. The author actively encourages people to theorize about the truth.
>>4052624prove this is the same vst
>>4052621>...We know Frisk's goal?He's trapped in a cave and is looking for a way out. That's it. He may be a non character but that's what all monsters assume he is trying to do.Asgore wanted to free the monsters. It was obvious from the intro story. For that he needs the power of 7 human souls. That was plainly stated in Waterfall.We don't actually know what the Knight is trying to achieve. More fountains? Starting the roaring? Nope, Ralsei says out loud it could have done that long ago if that was the point. Finding Dess? Maybe, but that's just a guess so far. Same thing for whatever the fuck Kris and Ralsei are trying to achieve.
>>4052626It is a story containing important mysteries. It's not a detective story nor is it obligated to open those mysteries up at some arbitrary time.
>>4052626...And then he laughs at you for trying to figure it out because it's objectively impossible (by his own admission) as a result of missing crucial story pieces that have not been alluded to or hinted at prior, and will only be made known in the future (see: Chapter 7).The game itself doesn't care about its mysteries because if it reveals anything too soon, then Chapter 7 won't be worth the wait.
>>4052463I got justice
>>4052618It's hard to give leniency when almost every chapter transition is a tonal whiplash.1 to NR 2 goes all in on the silliness. Then 3 completely destroys the silliness in a conceptual level. 4 for once follows up what the previous chapter had established. Then 5 says "nostalgia time" and goes back to 2 silliness like nothing had happened. And 6 will once again be a complete shift to the other direction.
>>4052629>nor is it obligated to open those mysteries up at some arbitrary timeanswering mysteries central to character motivations is a basic story telling element. yes they do need to be answered. by this point people are getting frustrated because we have a mystery box plot and we've been told that chapter 6 will only answer one question which could answer more but with the way chapter 5 was presented people have a right to be skeptical especially if they paid money for this product
>>4052633And it'll be a lot of lesbian melodrama while no one actually cares about the main story except Carol, who will be framed as a delusional retard who's actually currently more upset about Noelle dating Susie.Up until the boss is defeated at least, in which Carol realizes maybe Susie's not that bad after all, and the reward for her "character arc" is being kidnapped by Knight. No one will care, because Susie and Noelle will kiss to celebrate that Noelle's bitch mom is gone.
>>4052630>story told through constant vagueposting and cryptic symbolic hints that require a schizoboard approach to understand it>same story also mocks the schizoboard approach through the Mikes and also criticizes it in a somber way through AsgoreI don't get this mindset.
>>4052463Interesting results from everyone
>>4052637You're supposed to be like Susie, the designated audience surrogate. Don't ask too many questions, just go along with the ride until the answers are given to you directly when the narrative deems you worthy. Simply gawk at the mysteries and new details, don't think too hard on them or you'll only make yourself mad or disappointed, and then discard your ability to care about those mysteries in favor of the new quirk chungus Darkner or romantic plot.
>>4052637The mikes don't mock the very idea of schizoboarding it up, they mock the bandwagons the fanbase fell into when doing so. If you're going to postulate wild shit, then have some confidence, don't just do what's popular, you can't both have and eat that particular cake.
>>4052600Kindness is just the NPC option.
>>4052637Tranny logic>Even though I don't look like a female, please address me as one!Trannies and tranny supporters see nothing wrong with contradictions, they see nothing wrong with hypocrisy
What the fuck does MAKING mean?!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FaLxhwbEk
>>4052530I kneel
>>4052640>go along with the ride until the answers are given to you directly when the narrative deems you worthyIf the amount of times people have told you "that's all games ever, you don't have actual control over the pace of the story" hasn't clued you in yet, this is part of the point. The intent is to make people who are vehemently not thinking about games start thinking. You have to be able to separate the story and gameplay in a way that's basically impossible for anyone below 100 IQ if you want to criticize this and get it right. If you can't, you end up complaining that you couldn't just get the shelter codes early and end the game sooner.
>>4052621We do, Frisk's goal is to leave the underground. There's actually a nice character she has in pacifist where she changes her mind and his willing to live with the monsters underground before Flowey does his thing. There's even an ACT in the Lost Soul fight that Frisk wanted to free everyone in the first place, or at least gained that motivation during the pacifist route https://hushbugger.github.io/dialogue/#Narrator:1796https://hushbugger.github.io/dialogue/#Narrator:1797Of course, like most Frisk related stuff you have to actually play the game and read the dialogue to see it.
>>4052646Futhermore, notice the wording "blackened knife" not "black knife" Kris's knife does get progressively less shiny and more dark every time we see it.
>>4052652>she
>>4052463
>>4052654We don't get triggered over pronouns here.
>>4052646Making Darkness, whether the literal act of creating a Dark World or creating metaphorical darkness inside someone, i.e. corrupting Noelle until she has her awakening epiphany.While your soul can create light, it can also create dark, for every light will cast a shadow. Where that shadow is cast depends on how you use it.This is why the barrier in Undertale, the greatest construct of humanity's power, pulses between both light and dark.
>>4052653kris is the prophecy knight. ralsei says the knight doesn't show up until the heroes do. multiple people can be slotted into spots into the prophecy. Vessel/player is the true first hero. and that's why everything is so screwed up
>>4052650>IQ argumentsBro, Toby Fox's 140 IQ and ADHD with opening new plots compulsive disorder doesn't mean shit if he can't be bothered to organize it into a proper story
>>4052655PATIENCE YOU HAVE EMBRACED THE WAIT
>>4052655And another one
>>4052655Can you have sex with me, Aqua?
>>4052463apparently this is what ralsei's soul is like
>>4052662What if the knight we fight against is the knight of the knight of the previous prophecy cycleIt would make Carol/Dess knight a cooler reveal
>>4052670Kris...
>>4052670Noelle…
>>4052463>80% KND>76% DET>61% JUS>50% PER>33% BRV>32% PAT>31% INTFunny how much this quiz seems sure a lot of 4chan is self-sacrificing.
>>4052658Undertale's barrier is the barrier between fiction and reality broThe characters make when they make dark fountains, because, well they create fiction.
>>4052680Undertale's barrier is only allegorically between fiction and reality, on a literal in-universe level it contains the monsters underground.
>>4052670uuu first you have to buy me dinner, and then take me to the movies, and then take me to an amusement park, and then take me to a zoo, and then take me to buy new clothes, and then take me to France, and then take me to a concert, and then get the approval of my parents, and then buy matching socks, and then come logging for Christmas
>>4052671Here's one for PapyrusWHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO SEE HIMBRAVERY88%DETERMINATION78%JUSTICE75%PERSEVERANCE74%KINDNESS40%INTEGRITY36%PATIENCE33%
>>4052679>80% KNDAnother one
>>4052683neverlmao
>>4052683>WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO SEE HIMYou've already seen him anonMaybe he's just... so... forgettable
>>4052684Call me an NPC if you like, I've known I'm a sap my whole life. I come here because I can't stand a certain type of dishonesty that's become the norm on the "polite" internet, not because the tone of this place suits me.
>>4052684Where are my justice bros at?
>>4052681Toby likes his allegories. Dark is fictional world and Light is real world.
>>4052689Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with where your point leads on a thematic level, just disputing its literal truthfulness.
>>4052653This is how KrisKnight can still win:
>>4052463>>4052688>Justice 73%>Kindness 58%>Integrity 47%>Patience 35%>Perseverance 34%>Bravery 31%>Determination 19%Also did any of you get an egg during the quiz?
>>4052692I saw one weird question that looked related to the egg, where the rightmost option had a unique answer, but I forgot what it was...
>>4052683I did one for AsgorePERSEVERANCE 77%DETERMINATION 75%PATIENCE 73%KINDNESS 73%INTEGRITY 48%BRAVERY 44%JUSTICE 33%
>>4052595>Vessel uses its bare hands and poses like Flowery when fightingWould be pretty funny
>>4052463posted it on /v/ last night but i guess i'll do it again
>>4052682you know very well most anons would turn their lives around to do all this
>>4052691krisknighters haven't given up since 2020. I can't wait for 2027...when we're proven right
>>4052696And another one
>>4052692I'm starting to nootice a pattern Why do people with a high justice tend to have a low determination?
>>4052683Chapter 7. He's going to look wildly different from his Undertale self btw.
>>4052702they are fuelled by justice instead of determination
>>4052682>and then take me to FranceWhy tho
Aqua drawing
>>4052701quit your bitchingwe are barely off 10:100 pace
>>4052709Based drawanon
>>4052686Kris has seen him WE haven't
>>4052713>screencap this>not greencapstep up senpai
nobody will screencap this^
>>4052708To get over my Paris syndrome or however the romance is tested with a week long expensive trip
>>4052706Neckbeard Brony Papyrus is coming. He's going to die horribly as the first victim of The Roaring and Earth's Expire. And then Sans will put his dust into a Dark World, reviving him into the brother he always wanted to have. Sans will then put the machine into the Dark World and use it to get outta dodge. This takes them to the Underground, which is a metaphorical counterpart to Dark Worlds.
>>4052709Based drawfren
>>4052718I'm going to metaphorically kill you.
>>4052714WTF is this real?
>>4052718>reviving him into the brother he always wanted to havedamn, that is REALLY dark
>>4052717I admire your courage, but it's not worth the travel. t. Ribbick
>>4052718>the brother he always wanted to haveA lobotomized manchild?
>>4052726He only acts like that as a front, the same way Sans uses his comedy as a front. It's just that whereas Sans uses it to mask nihilism, Papyrus uses it to mask his sheer emotional intelligence.
>>4052713You can just post your ritualpost normally here.
>>4052718No, I meant Papyrus is going to be a teen around Kris's age if not younger. That's the bit twist Toby is hiding.
>>4052729He's doing it to spite people who seethe about posting too many images too fast/posting images that don't contribute to anything aside from bringing us closer to image limit.
>>4052728>My special attack? Pretending to be a retard of course!
>>4052709Based drawpal
>>4052732Literally, yes. He knows how to social engineer Undyne into hanging out with Frisk, and he ultimately trusted Flowey when asked to bring everyone to the barrier because he earnestly believed that there would only be a good outcome since Frisk was already proving to be a miracle child.
>>4052709Uuu, based!
>Rudy dies at the beginning of Chapter 6>Asgore gets to date Carol at the end of Chapter 7How would you react
>>4052737cry for maddy
>>4052737I can't believe Toby supports NTRing the dead too...
>>4052737Why?
>>4052737VERY ANGRYthis would probably be Toby's WORST character assassination EVERAlthough that may be the play to make Suselle look good by comparison
>>4052709Based and human cunnypilled.
>>4052737i think asgore getting with alphys would be funnier if only because of the amount of seethe that would be generated by kris
>>4052709we love aqua here
Ever thought about how Undertale Asgore genuinely deserved to die?
>>4052463I got Justice. I read all the descriptions, and this mostly lines up.
>>4052747aqua canonically enjoys getting beaten however
>>4052747>toriel probably childproofed the ruins after kris fell down>even without being her kid kris still left the biggest impact on her life>only to die, cold and alone in the underground under asgore's ordersfuck, man...
>>4052751Yeah but he still killed Undertale Kris and for that HE MUST DIE.
>>4052489I've recently watched JJK, and now I need to see a drawing of Ralsei doing pic related.
>>4052747I think Asgore hates himself more than you could ever hate him
SAY IT WITH MEI LOVE YURI!!I LOVE YURIIIIIII!!!!
>>4052758I LOVE YURI (Kriselle)
>>4052618Intentional doesn't mean good or well-executed.Doing a more lighthearted chapter after ch 4 could have worked if there were narrative justification for the lighter tone, but there just wasn't. Nothing was done to resolve the points of tension that chapters 3 and 4 created, so chapter 5's lighter tone is only made possible by ignoring the events of prior chapters and robbing them of all consequence.
>>4052758but my favorite ship is ralsus…
>>4052763The game also doesn't do much to convey the dissonance beyond making the player (not the characters, who genuinely do not give a fuck, the player) think "man... we should be investigating for the codes or learning more about our enemy right now..."The characters don't care, the story doesn't care because nothing ever happens until chapter 7, so the players themselves won't care either.
So far. >JUSTICE 6>KINDNESS 6 >PERSEVERANCE 3>DETERMINATION 1>PATIENCE 1>INTEGRITY 1>BRAVERY 1The thread is full of kind and righteous people.
>>4052766I got great news for you...
>>4052769asgore still refers to ralsei as male in nipand titles have always been inconsistent when specifying gender
>>4052768>The thread is full of kind and righteous peopleHilarious
>>4052769That's just Toby queerbaiting. The JPN version (the CANON AND TRUE version, remember that Toby gives JPN more concrete information than ENG) says>専用イバラに 水やり。Likewise for Asgore, he doesn't queerbait Ralsei either>(彼自身も 自分を隠す必要などないことを わかってくれたら いいのだが)
>main threat is dealt with>kris can stop distancing himself from noelle>he briefly explains that the reason why he was so distant is because the main threat would target noelle if she was involved>noelle starts giving kris kisses>"im sorry susie but you were... never my first choice.">surprise chapter 8 is susie having a meltdown and becoming the real final boss because this one moment tore away everything that she had
>>4052768>>4052772Kindness only has to refer to what you'd do for those you care for, it does not mean extending that care ad infinitum.Justice, likewise, only has to refer to how you think about and act on your principles, it doesn't require that those principles align with or help others.
>>4052774And then Kris woke up and realized they were in super hell (forma de 7B)
>>4052772I mean here's the only place where you can find that kind of people in the community you know
>>4052709Hey drawanonI know you've made Deltarune x Umineko art before, could you also draw the Holiday family as Battler's family? I think it goes well with what we've got so far
>>4052747I like this idea honestly. I like the idea of Kris living in Toriel’s house for a long time.
>be deltachud>exiled out of /vg/ by /utg/fags>exiled out of /v/ by jannies>exiled out of xitter by trannies>exiled out of anywhere else because of being either too chuddy and redpilled or by virtue of liking THE trannypedofurfaghomoslop game>forced into desolate board and already risking retribution by flooding the catalog with deltarune boards>every other deltarune-based space in the site is on red boards and they're just gooner generalsat this point why doesn't someone buy a domain and set a fucking imageboard already? this cat and mouse game is getting exhausting
>>4052779Sadly they would leave sooner or later...
>>4052780Unironically because the same people who spite us would flood that altchan with CP, and then it'd get nuked by feds and everyone involved in its creation could be put into genuine hot water.
>>4052760>I LOVE YURI (KriselleKriselle is a hetero ship. Just read this scene.
>>4052780It is mere jealousy.There is nothing to be ashamed about.Soon, the cat will tire.
>>4052782is it even confirmed that there is a group that spites us or is it a made up boogeyman that is used to accuse anyone of doing harm to us
>>4052774>he briefly explains that the reason why he was so distant is because the main threat would target noelle if she was involved>noelle starts giving kris kisses>"im sorry susie but you were... never my first choice."Thats unironically what happens in the weird route right down to noelle completely losing interest in Susie. It is genuinely funny how both Noelle and Susie are backstabbing cunts who’ll abandon their “friends” the moment they get close to who ever they actually want to fuck
>>4052783>riding on the ridesasuga, tobyalso, explain why kris and noelle couldn't agree on who should be king or queen
>>4052780I persist to spite moderation.
>>4052783why is it better written?? why is Toby forces us to endure yuri if his straigth romance is better???
>>4052785this site is constantly monitored by glowies, my man, in fact /pol/ is an Epstein job
>>4052786>He said, ignoring how Noelle spent all her time at the festival with Susie in the Weird Route too
>>4052791Susie hated it so it's ok
>>4052760>toby’s best “yuri” ship is a parring that involves and “ebny” that the majority of the fanbase openly saw as male until they were bullied into accepting the they/them shitamazing
>>4052772It is, unlike the 99% of the tranny fanbase
>>4052793this is the second time you've misspelled enby.is that on purpose? should i call the tranny police?
>>4052790glowies have way better things to take care of than derailing a deltarune general
>>4052772Why are people taking the test by a random twitter tranny as a fact again?
>>4052791Noelle immediately tried to kill herself afterwards so it’s fine
>>4052796you'd be surprised
>>4052791because kris slept through it, carol's call at the end of 4 makes it pretty clear her first choice was kris and susie ended up essentially being the backup option
>>4052787>also, explain why kris and noelle couldn't agree on who should be king or queenNoelle is the girliest girl who ever girled. She literally only plays Smash Bros so she can pretend she's playing house with all the girl characters.Kris, prankster that he is who doesn't give a shit about gender norms and REALLY loves getting a rise out of Noelle, recognizes that Noelle would really want to be Festival Queen. So he insists that he'll be Festival Queen to fluster her and make her mad because that means she has to be Festival King if they write for each other.
>all these goonerish thirstposting in the threadremind me why you need a split from /vg/ thread again
>>4052780>exiled out of /vg/ by /utg/fags/vg/ was always just /utg/, they didn't exile us in the first place.
>>4052802Because we're not yet at the point of "I WANT TO SUCK SPAMTON'S TRANS MAN COCK WHILE TENNA SHITS ON MY FACE" ERPing.
>>4052799maybe back then they were involved in dumber shit because they were treading unknown waters but i figure they've learned to stick to /pol/ by now
>>4052319BASED!
>>4052801>Noelle is the girliest girl who ever girled. She literally only plays Smash Bros so she can pretend she's playing house with all the girl characters.That's Noelle being a lesbian, not being a girly girl. That's why Tenna mentions it when talking about Susie dating her.
>>4052801Or maybe Kris is just a girl and she's fighting with Noelle over who gets to be the Queen.
>>4052785the left-leaning herd despises us and would cheer at our death like they did charlie kirk's
>>4052791>gave susie a pity date
If it wasn’t for the weird route and blogposts Noelle’s personality would amount to lusting after Susie and being nostalgic about how kris use to rip her skin off
>>4052709draw her (sneakers off)
>>4052811>being nostalgic about how kris use to rip her skin offi love that stupid shit so much
>>4052800how the turntables. to think people expected the scene at the end of chapter 4 to be carol's HOMOPHOBIA talking
>>4052787Kris is surrounded by faggots and realized LARPing as queen was the only way he was the only way he was going to get pussy
>>4052780>>exiled out of /vg/ by /utg/fagsBold of you to assume these fags have any power to make you stop posting in their general >>exiled out of xitter by tranniesI don't think you can get "exiled" out of by xitter unless your account gets suspended thereI still use this shithole to repost cool fanarts>>exiled out of anywhere else because of being either too chuddy and redpilledThis only happens if you don't keep your mouth shut. I've been several tiny servers for years and didn't get kicked out of them. Though i can tell you for sure bigger servers can get unbearable so I just leave them>at this point why doesn't someone buy a domain and set a fucking imageboard already?Too expensive and not worth itI know for sure a TobyFox imageboard will have more activity than Uboachan>this cat and mouse game is getting exhaustingAt least we have a blue board to discuss. Homestuck have been bannes from /co/ for a decade and only allowed yearly threads
>>4052463I kinda expected to have integrity-majority as test result honestly. I guess, since one of the main determination soul characters is - Chara, you could say that it's the most "evil depressed chud"-coded soul from all seven.
>>4052807That's just comically bad advice from Tenna because he's recalling memories from when Noelle was like 9 years old. A 9 year old child is not going to know the first thing about her sexuality in a way that she recognizes it as her sexuality, she's just a girl doing girl things.And if you meant to say "actually she DID have it all figured out at that age" then you're making one hell of a self-report about what you think the legal age of consent should be.
>>4052811and yet she'd somehow STILL seem like she's longing for kris more than susie, it's honestly kind of impressive
>>4052783Writing level of a third-grader but since it's Toby it's okay
>>4052369>>4052373>>4052387>Chapter 1 and 2 are the only good parts of this game but Toby-If anyone needed proof that CoL is trying to derail the other threads to use his shit seethe thread instead.
>>4052785The janny openly hates us and prioritizes deleting deltaposts than fucking CP
>>4052811it really is insane how 90% of noelle's personality comes from the sweepstakes and the remaining 10% comes from the weird route actually what was toby thinking there? surely he knows that casuals aren't going to look up a dead arg site that the game makes zero mention of to learn more about a someone who is effectively a side character despite their implied importance
>>4052817>Bold of you to assume these fags have any power to make you stop posting in their generalThey have the favor of mods because their ritualposting schizophrenia generates site traffic on a board that isn't astroturfed, if they realize you don't belong they can just gang up on you in reports and get you 3-dayed.
>>4052808Girls don't usually prank other girls anon.They shittalk each other instead.
>>4052811>nostalgic about how kris use to rip her skin offthat’s shits funny at least and reveals something about her past with kris. Noelle being a drooling retard around Susie isn’t “cute” and it definitely doesn’t count as good chemistry
>>4052807*a transbian. Remember that she doesn't have periods.
>>4052822WHO THE FUCK IS COL
>>4052811I think Noelle is a painfully boring character in regular route. Like holy shit the game slows down when she's on screen
>>4052828Jaru…
>>4052828anon we've been over thiscervids don't menstruate
>>4052818>evil depressedSounds like your leftist friends>chudBehind every tough chud is a kind guy
>>4052817>Bold of you to assume these fags have any power to make you stop posting in their generalthe post quality gets jarring after a while, they stir shitty discussions up and then blame /v/ over it as if it weren't themselves who fall for shitty bait a lot>I don't think you can get "exiled" out of by xitter unless your account gets suspended theremaybe not but it has a lot of trannies, the few deltachuds that are there are very autistic and i don't like groypers>This only happens if you don't keep your mouth shut. I've been several tiny servers for years and didn't get kicked out of them. Though i can tell you for sure bigger servers can get unbearable so I just leave themhaven't used discord in a long time and i advice you of doing the same, but i see your point>Too expensive and not worth itthere's gotta be atleast one of us that can pay for it, we really aren't all unemployed right?>I know for sure a TobyFox imageboard will have more activity than Uboachani still don't know why out of all rpgs it was yume nikki to get its own imageboard and have an owner dedicated enough to keep it alive after so many years>At least we have a blue board to discuss. Homestuck have been bannes from /co/ for a decade and only allowed yearly threadsthat stinks
>Deltarune fans trying to pretend they're Visual Novel with occasional mini games and puzzles is an RPGLMAO
>>4052830Chapter 2 normal route was especially boring. Like I understand what Toby was going for by the room where you spell out the december name but goddamn is it awful gameplay.
>>4052824Toby’s terrified that if he reveals his hand even slightly people are going somehow immediately figure out the entire plot like how people figured that toriel and Asgore had a dead son through undertale’s DEMO. the weird route meanwhile is Toby’s dream schizo kino so he kind off has to explain shit with that
>>4052835doesn't the "you got stronger" shit get reset in-between chapters?the only time it matters is CH1 because you auto-recruit everyone anyway
>>4052832Last time I checked they also don’t wear clothes or say “fahaha”
>>4052789>why is it better written??Kriselle has two characters who have known each other since childhood. Kriselle is deep as the ocean because we literally know almost nothing about Kris and Noelle's DECADE-LONG relationship. Kriselle has drama where Kris deliberately distances himself from Noelle supposedly to protect her, and they both yearn so much for each other but circumstances prevent them from fully reconnecting.>SuselleNoelle and Susie have known each other for just FOUR days, which is simply not enough time to develop a deep romance. Their relationship is superficial at best. Susie and Noelle love each other's masks, they don't fucking know each other.
>>4052838Yup. It's a completely worthless mechanic outside of Noelle in the Weird Route, which is the only time it has a lasting impact outside of "oh no!!! the darkners who aren't real are depressed/dead" or "oh no!!! berdly's arm got fucked up (laughs because he'll never be relevant again)"
>>4052840Toby likes Krusie though.
>>4052835Pipis
>>4052838Yep you don’t even get to fight most of the bosses in chapter 5. The smallest amount of depth the gameplay provided and they game threw it out for comically easy sparing minigames
>>4052837that's a shitty way of writing a storyif you story has a mystery baked into it, naturally there should be clues integrated into it so everything makes sense when it's solved while it was likely just clumsy on toby's end for revealing too much too soon with ut's demo, people being able to piece everything together before it's revealed officially is not a bad thinghim shifting hard in the opposite direction makes me worried that its not going to make sense when it is revealed, because toby failed to properly lay down the groundwork and just expects people to accept whatever bullshit he throws at them all at once with little regard for continuity with what little we actually do know
>>4052838Did getting stronger even exist in Chapter 1
>>4052841>>4052844actually impressive.and this was after undertale, which let you play literally however you liked, where you could even go all out with Genocide, but that basically makes WR feel completely pointless outside of the narrative facet.>>4052846yeah
>>4052791>ignoring how Noelle spent all her time at the festival with Susie in the Weird Route tooNoelle excitedly wrote Kris's name during the King and Queen game.
>>4052839neither do real women yet here we are
>>4052842Krusie is also a four days ship. I bet Kris didn't expect Susie to ruin his date with Mew Mew, nor for her to invite Noelle to Dark World at the end of Chapter 5.He's only starting to see the real Susie now.
>>4052802>all these goonerish thirstposting in the threadBlame femkrisfags
>>4052847I'm looking and I don't think that's true since "getting stronger" was a thing introduced with Chapter 2's recruit stuff
>>4052842>Toby likes Krusie thoughAnon...
>>4052850Krusie still beats Suselle in terms of length though, because Kris and Susie have basically been recurringly interacting ever since she first got jealous of him having a seemingly perfect doting mother, which could've been as early as her first days at Hometown school given how likely it is she would've seen Toriel smothering Kris like he's still 5 years old.She didn't even care that Noelle existed until the game started, meanwhile.Also, Kris basically popped a boner when he got locker slammed in Chapter 1, as revealed in Chapter 5. That nigga was absolutely pushing Susie's buttons on purpose so he could get physically bullied for more arousing situations like that.
if i see 'TSD' in a filename i don't even read the post anymore
>>4052855>She didn't even care that Noelle existed until the game started, meanwhileAre you sure?
>>4052853no i distinctly remember you could slightly upgrade your stats in CH1 at least to make the Jevil fight a little easier
>>4052818The red soul can do great evil and great good, it's the extreme soul of the bunch.
>>4052857>TSDWhat does it mean?
>>4052859I'm pretty sure that's not a feature beyond equipment
>>4052861i presume 'total susie death'
>>4052819Yes, it's comically bad advice because Tenna sucks at dating like all the other darkners do which is the whole point of that beginning scene. That's also why Tenna tells Susie to dump her when he hears about her only having flat-screens, it's a gag scene.
>>4052858Susie's own delusional revisionism. She can't be jealous of Kris having a good mother anymore because she found out Toriel is a drunkard whore who dances and sleeps with the new asshole who just moved into town, but she also doesn't want to say "sorry I was bullying you for literally no reason, dude" because that makes her look like a cruel asshole.She desperately needed to come up with a new reason for why she bullied Kris to justify herself, and since she's been brainwashed to think about Noelle all day long, her revisionist history of why things happened is that she's jealous that Kris was... able to have someone ask if he wanted to borrow a pencil or get help with Homework.
>>4052863>total susie deathBased?
>>4052859You can put on armor and ACT on a certain turn to lower his defense but beating enemies didn't do shit for stats until later
>>4052862>>4052867looks like i'm wrong, welpwe will 100% LOST every single recruit on CH7 by sealing the fountain so we will attain max stats then
>>4052819that and tenna literally doesn't know what a lot of the lightners are like anymore since he's been turned off for a very long time, didn't know asriel went to college for example
>>4052851Mindbroken.
>>4052868It's funny because by sealing the fountain you will start the next chapter with the max stats you could get through violence.
>>4052868Confusion is bound to happen when its been like 8 years since the start of the game
>>4052871>>4052873i legit cannot fucking tell what toby is trying to do anymore. it's one thing to be vague, but this shit is an outright Enigma cipher
>>4052874YOURCHOICESDON'TMATTER
>>4052870>MindbrokenNope. See >>4052339 >>4052383 >>4052412Who do you think makes posts like this?
>>4052875
So anons all lack integrity?
>>4052879Having integrity canonically makes you a zesty nigger, so I'm not surprised.
>>4052871>>4052874>>4052875>>4052878noelle is the only one that scales fast enough to outpace the chapter stat ups. she ends the chapter with nearly as much HP as violence susie despite starting with kris's CH1 HP.
>>4052882so what does guts do?
Why is Kris into Susie anyway?With Noelle he looks like a chadly anime protagonist while with Susie he looks like a twink fagboy that's into being stepped on, not very fitting of a knight
>>4052882do note that most of that HP doesn't matter because Noelle will be using the ThornRing which basically sets her HP to 55>>4052883nothing
>>4052883nothing, cosmetic/joke stat like fluffiness at this time
>>4052883Nothing, it's a purely cosmetic stat and a reference to Breath of Fire II.
>>4052884>Why is Kris into Susie anyway?did you ever check the drawer to the left of Kris' room?
>>4052884Kris has had a thing for scalies ever since Dess played that sexually suggestive music video on the TV, triggering a sexual awakening between him, Asriel and Noelle that the parents have been unable to contain ever since.
>>4052884kris adores her as a friend, they have similarly high gremlin energygiven the connections to 74 and susie's status as a "dragon" it's also very probably on purpose that kris would befriend a "problem element" in whatever plan that's formulated behind the scenes, which also comes with the caveat that susie is a dumbass who isn't in on anything and doesn't know what's going on while coupled with a hatred of traitors and secrets
>>4052882doelle strong
>>4052888>did you ever check the drawer to the left of Kris' room?This magazine was left by Asriel. If this magazine were under Kris's bed, then it would mean something.
>>4052884>Why is Kris into Susie anyway?Kris and Susie are just friends.
>>4052892But also, straight from narration in Chapter 5's opening, which is what's probably the most Kris-directed narration the game's had yet,>(The cover's inappropriately dressed purple dragon stares back at you.)>(... even though there was a Dark World in your house...)>(... you didn't seem to meet a Darkner based on this object.)>(...)>(You scholarly contemplated this for an overly long period of time.)
>>4052894It's just a joke.
>>4052897Is Kris confirming he popped a boner from getting locker slammed in Chapter 1 to the point he ENTHUSIASTICALLY wants Susie to locker slam him again "just a joke", too?
>>4052894I thought that was toby making fun of people that theorized that the immodest dragon would be a major NPC/boss in 3
>>4052892it was left by asriel and suspiciously never returned despite berdly bringing it up to kris (presumably) several times considering he's putting a discount on the fee and calling it a 'family debt'saying 'your brother will never return this book' is kris avoiding saying that he ain't returning it either
>>4052893What is wrong with this stupid doe anyways?Not important, my main question happens to be the glass texts.Are they what Kris truly wishes to happen, or are they small visions of an alternate timeline?
>>4052463>>4052671heres the one i got for noelle>DETERMINATION 88%>KINDNESS 74%>BRAVERY 70%>PERSEVERANCE 65%>INTEGRITY 32%>JUSTICE 32%>PATIENCE 23%
>>4052898>Is Kris confirming he popped a bonerHeadcanon. Kris loves to prank and joke. There's nothing sexual about it.
>>4052899Toby loves injecting two or more meanings into a single line of dialogue, both things can be true.
>>4052879We posted on /v/ instead.
>>4052904A prankster should not be that enthusiastic about getting locker slammed unless he got sexually aroused from it. To me it sounds like he had another sexual awakening and realized why Noelle is so turned on by fantasies of being bullied.
>>4052899"Making fun", no, it's him saying they had the right of it and by all rights it should've been a Darkner. The narration calls so much attention to it because internally Kris's actual thoughts are more like>thank fucking god TV world dominated the house>if Susie had seen whatever darkner this produced, I think I'd die
>>4052876Back on /v/ most of the lewd posts were about Susie and especially the deers. Stop being mindbroken.
>>4052909Nah, humanposting was on a significant rise thanks to Aqua for the short period /v/ had Chapter 5 threads.
>>4052907>A prankster should not be that enthusiastic about getting locker slammed unless he got sexually aroused from it.Nah. It's all about Susie's reaction. He knows what will irritate her.
>>4052910>humanposting>AquaBut she's a flower.
>>4052911...And he loved to prank and tease Noelle, who he nearly became sweethearts with until THAT HORRIBLE DAY forced him to distance himself from her so the prophecy didn't kill her.You see what's happening, anon?
>>4052882Noelle stats can actually infinitely increase, probably because she is a temporary party member.
>>4052874Unless there's a special reward for getting every single recruit at the end it won't actually mean anything. Sparing is a holdover from Deltarune, Toby felt like he had to include it so he made recruits, problem is that completely removed any value fighting might have had outside of forced battles.
>>4052901>it was left by asriel and suspiciously never returnedThere's a traced dragon drawing somewhere in Dess's room, probably related to the book, so it's probably not getting returned on account of heavy emotional ties to her.
>>4052911>ha i was just flirting with you as a joke>ha i just kissed you as a joke>ha i just came inside you as a joke>ha i married you as a jokeoh that cheeky little prankster
>>4052917technically there was a point to fight King and Tenna, as it's the fastest way to end those fights and it doesn't matter how you deal with them, hell Sword Route will massively boost Kris' damage vs Tennatitan is a gimmick fight so there's no point even talking about it, besides you will probably have BlackShard so you deal an unbelievable amount of damage from Kriscan't fight Flowery or Pink so what is even the point kek
>>4052902i think they're some kind of vision of the ideal scenario or even visions of the weird route
>>4052910Doesn't beat doeposting at all, especially Dess and Noelle. Of course people would discuss the newest character.
>>4052920we trained him wrongas a joke
>>4052923Not really, she hasn't stared at Kris with hatred from her apartment as a exampleSome other anon suggested it was a previous timeline and I think its likely>Kris and Noelle are the heroes>Susie seethes in the background and never undergoes character development
>>4052914>You see what's happening, anon?Decade-long relationship > 4 days of friendship. Everything Kris does is somehow connected to Noelle and Dess.
>>4052922>as it's the fastest way to end those fights and it doesn't matter how you deal with themActually spamming iLoveTV is the fastest way to deal with Tenna lol
>>4052913Shut up Ralsei.
>>4052928Shut up, Tenna.
>>4052920Nice headcanon bro.
>>4052924it was definitely beating dess for a bit, people kept asking if dessposting was dead entirely because no one was really posting her anymore
>>4052931thanks bro, i consider it better than canon on account of it actually having a conclusion
>>4052929>>4052930Okay, I am now convinced. NOELLE, GET OFF THE COMPUTER!
>>4052927Right, but he's also been depriving himself a relationship with Noelle because he doesn't want the prophecy to kill her, and also doesn't think he deserves to be her lover because he caused her sister to disappear and get endlessly mauled and raped by demon cats.With Susie, he isn't struggling nearly as badly with that fact because as you pointed out, they've only been friends for mere days. He's absolutely trying to gun for a relationship so Susie gets sacrificed, and if somehow fate was defied and Susie didn't have to die, then that means he has a new GF since he'll probably want to full-on exile himself out of Noelle's life due to pure shame and regret once the truth comes out for why he's been acting the way he has ever since THAT HORRIBLE DAY happened.But now that Susie's finding love with Noelle, and she makes Noelle happy, it's conflicting Kris because he doesn't want to ruin Noelle's remaining happiness, which was the literal entire point of his long term suffering.
>>4052932Kress was still popular, doelesting never died off.
>>4052882You're telling me I could have fought the knight with 186 222 166 HP all this time?
>>4052936oh don't get me wrong i'm not saying it actually died, but there definitely was a lull in activity for a bit until people decided to connect noelle saying "You can't even say "stop" like you used to" to it
https://youtu.be/poKI_MY0BkwSusie is a dragon. Susie will try to kill Kris to remain special.
>>4052938You could've, but Tenna would've stayed dead, which has currently unknown ramifications for whatever's related to "there is something more important than reaching the end."
>>4052934Shut up Kris
>>4052938doesn't make much of a difference, you just want mantle on susie and spam busters with devilskniferalsei will basically always be dead, but if he isn't, make him be the item bitch while kris generates TP, or have them both generate TP
>>4052942!!!
>>4052868If it's permanent that means these bastards are just adjusting their power levels even harder than we thought
>>4052945supposedly, closing the fountain LOSTs everyone as it increases everyone's LV by 1 for every chapter, but they'll be in CastleTown anyway, so idk what the fuck is the point
>>4052940close!>74 is includes two dragons, an obvious and hidden onesusie is the obvious dragon, ralsei is the hidden one as the ice palace's silver drake.
>>4052935Kris still has feelings for Noelle. These >>4052783 >>4052893 scenes prove it.
>>4052946pacifism and violence is just a lie
>>4052825>if they realize you don't belong they can just gang up on you in reports and get you 3-dayed.The worst part about /utg/ is the general is filled with actual tourists. We are talking about people that get pissy for not using "they/them" for Kris>>4052834>haven't used discord in a long time and i advice you of doing the same, but i see your pointI myself have mostly using it to talk with friends for years, it's just sometimes i talk i tiny servers (sub 100 members)>i still don't know why out of all rpgs it was yume nikki to get its own imageboard and have an owner dedicated enough to keep it alive after so many yearsYume Nikki is a cult classic game. Same reason why VTMB still get regular threads. Plus, the fangames helps keeping YN relevant
>>4052949I agree. But it can also be true that he's developing feelings for Susie, just as Noelle has feelings for both Susie and Kris at the same time.
>>4052817>This only happens if you don't keep your mouth shut.This is part of the problem though. They have managed to successfully silent you and you are already self-censoring yourself.
Is there a way we can request mods to make us a board? We're boosting their traffic aren't we? They should accept us right?
>>4052949These scenes are simple memories.
>>4052958why does literally fucking everyone have this idea of making a new board dedicated to one fucking video gamethis cannot be a real thought by a real person
>>4052850>susie starts going full retard and completely gives up on changing fate to go after deer pussy>ralsei is immediately on edge and drops “let’s think about Susie bit”Kek
>>4052958We can "request" mods to make a board by spamming Deltarune across the entire website like an unavoidable cancer nonstop, the same way MLP "requested" a board.
Excuse me, sir, there must be someone you've confused me forIf I could see someone who knew me or someone in uniformI go to church on Sunday, truly, usually moreScreaming at the angels while they pushed him through the doorExcuse me, sir, there must be someone you've confused me forIf I could see someone who knew me or someone in uniformI go to church on Sunday, truly, usually moreScreaming at the angels while they pushed him through the door
>>4052958>We're boosting their traffic aren't we?They'd much rather you boost their traffic in /utg/, where the rest of 4chan's undesirables are, that way /v/ can remain a clean slate for pure astroturfed threads.
Funny how within ONE chapter Toby’s completely killed all the susiefags here and even caused normies to start “ironically” shitting on her
>>4052961we do have a board dedicated to literally one cartoon, and boards dedicated to two games that pissed off I_AM_ABIB and yournamehere, /vm/ for SCP secret lab and /vrpg/ for library of ruina
>>4052958anon you do NOT want an UT/DR board.the /utg/fags would decimate it and we'd get properly GR15'd since the jannies dont like UT/DR
>>4052868>LEND ME YOUR POWERwould be kinoMaybe that was Tony's feverdream gathering every enemy in one place so that you can reach max level all at once and become strong enough to face the final boss
>>4052968MLP is utter fucking ass cancer of the highest magnitude, and a universal problem in just about every community. Deltarune's one little sector of the /v/ board at most.Also what pissed him off for /vst/?
>>4052879Integrity is more of a middle stat for most anons
>>4052968what category would deltarune even fall on?
>>4052971lol MLP is a mediocre cartoon whose fanbase was initially made up of "lol u mad" trolls that became the real deal after everybody started simultaneously believing that "furfags TWO" was now around the corner, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy
>>4052958Everyone mentioning the GR15 show in the replies is clearly forgetting about /qa/, they don't make new boards for spammers anymore they just shunt them off into the stratosphere after pretending to indulge them for a bit
>>4052977i forgot that board even existed
>>4052977You can't really make a board about a meme man, though. One look at sh*rty and you'll see exactly why it would've been a bad idea to make a dedicated wojak board.
>>4052968There was a time where Project moon games were on every single video game board that isn't pokemon, multiplayer and retroIts so insane that the moderation has a consistent history of going nuclear on specific games
>>4052977/qa/ was banned because they started organizing large raids on other boards
>>4052959>These scenes are simple memories.Yeah, right, Kris started randomly thinking about his childhood with Noelle to take his mind off Susie and Noelle riding the ferris wheel. Oh also, that scene with the romantic undertones that the shadow crystal showed means nothing at all too.
>>4052983Never mind that these are lost dreams being envisioned in a DARK WORLD, when otherwise you'd just get some generic "...you thought you saw [location that was transformed into the dark world]." unless it had to do with prophecy panels in Chapter 4, which in turn played into the prophecy's immutable nature that not even hopes and dreams and determination can change fate.
>>4052973/vrpg/ is closest because of the inherently slippery definition of "RPG">>4052977the sharty being directly traceable to 4chan's mods trying to cultivate their own army of deputized spammers and trolls is fascinating in a vacuum, but for them to have ever even thought it was a good idea beggars belief and explains a lot about the site's current state
I fucking LOVE Noelle Holiday!
>>4052987Kris...
>>4052987Noelle and her fans are fucking WEIRD
>>4052956In all honesty, I never engage in UT/DR discussions outside of this site I just post in servers for niche fan projects
>>4052987Dess…
>>4052971The Internet in general was just way more cringe the 2010's.
>>4052987noelle by having simple character motivation that the player can understand on the weird route is the best character in the game. steal notes from yourself toby. this is why noelle is well received
this is impossible just to sheer amount of work it would require but I have imagined my headcanon ending>end of 7b, >everyone but noelle and (you) is gone, swoon or frozen>noelle reached peak strength, but is at brink of total mental collapse>(you) introduce yourself to noelle, similar how chara introduced herself at end of UT, and give her option to start again>with her new power she destroys the world (save file)>new game +>at ch1 she goes with kris to get chalk instead of sussie, and over the course of story tries to reconnect with kris>kris have no idea what the fuck is going on, tries to course correct and stick to the plan, grows more terrified of story and Noelle when he realizes he can't
hol up Toby is THIS much of a hack? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9jvLz1bCQ7s
>>4052992Yeah now it’s just irony poisoned and full of bots.
>>4052995Toby has openly told you that you'll know just how unoriginal he is if you've played his favorite games.
>>4052958Deltaposting is fast by modern /v/ standards but in no way is it even as remotely invasive as the horse show. Literally the only reason any of this is a problem is due to the jannies seethe effectively fueling discussions here far past their natural lifespan and because of /v/ being a dead shithole where a thread NOT lasting for a day is considered quick
>>4052983It's so romantic for Kris to see Toriel holding someone else and Susie scowling at him I guess.>bro it HAS to mean romance or nothing, no other optionYeah totally. Can't just remember things. Can't just think about things. Never.
>>4052995Yes.
>>4052958We don't even have enough things to talk about for one single thread without repeating the same shit over and over again. There's no need to have a board dedicated entirely to that. 90% of the time we spend waiting for another chapter, it's a waste of time.
>>4052995he just really likes Breath of Fire
Remember when people thought Berdly was going to be a major character? Remember when people thought Catti was going to do anything?
>>4053009berdly is still one of the strongest lightners considering he was able to hold his own against kris/ susie/ ralsei by himself for a while
>>4053003>It's so romantic for Kris to see Toriel holding someone else and Susie scowling at him I guessAre you retarded? I was talking about this scene.
>>4053003Kris is an inherently complicated character with a lot of complicated feelings and history that we simply have to speculate about from flavor text and the words of other characters until we can finally hear him speak his own words directly in chapter 7.Yes, he loves Noelle dearly, but he also feels obligated to distance himself, presumably for her sake given what the prophecy seems to entail. But he also won't intrude upon her new love with Susie, because what remains of Noelle's happiness is precious to Kris, even if he's bitter about the fact that it means his own shot at love, which he was practically guaranteed to achieve up until the day everything went wrong, is now being completely killed.He can also, at the same time he yearns for affection, just as much yearn to not exist out of a deep suicidal self-hatred, because he's also the bastard human child who played a huge part in Dess disappearing, which has objectively ruined the lives of every member of both the Dreemurrs and the Holidays, which manifests as wishing that Toriel had a better child than himself. One who didn't cause his big brother to lose his girlfriend and have to face adulthood alone, one who didn't cause his father to go insane trying to solve an unsolvable mystery, one who didn't cause his mother to become a drunken whore, one who didn't cause the mayor to become an ice gold bitch, one who didn't cause his best friend and could-be lover to become extremely traumatized from loss.He can also yearn for Susie to hate his guts, because he believes he deserves every ounce of hate that's inevitably going to come his way when she finds out he's been using her and turning her into a sacrificial lamb this entire time, even if he has come to forge a strong friendship with her (possibly even romantic feelings as well), and it'd be "better" if she went back to looking at him like he was the scum of the earth after all was said and done, assuming she even survives the prophecy's conclusion.
>>4052969imagine the AU generals..
>>4053014AUtism
>>4052987Susie...
>>4053011Well at least you understand that Shadow crystal scenes don't necessarily have romantic undertones.
What would it take for normies to admit that Suselle is shit or at least toxic?
>>4053014Those aren't popular here, instead you would get a HMOFA general after the fangame and the trash generals merge with each other.
>>4053012He also yearns for empty classrooms and computer labs apparently. What a complicated guy.
>>4052463Determination: 89Integrity: 79Justice: 66Bravery:57Kindness: 45Perseverance: 23Patience: 16Oddly enough, my sister got basically the exact same results, only having swapped Determination and Bravery.
>>4053019>Well at least you understand that Shadow crystal scenes don't necessarily have romantic undertonesBut anon... I was talking about this >>4053011 particular scene.
>>4053023D-dess?
Kris is a fakeThe real kris died in the incident way back thenThe Kris we know now is a doppleganger with his memoriesBut a copy is forever a copy.What lies underneath hometown... no, you'll soon find outThe lightners that inhabit hometownIts almost as if they are fashioned out of somehow's memoriesA copy among copiesIf nothing else, they will find themselves at home
>>4052885>do note that most of that HP doesn't matter because Noelle will be using the ThornRing which basically sets her HP to 55No it doesn't, it sets her HP to 1/3 of her max, which will always be 55.If she could get more max HP later, it'd stop at a higher amount
>>4053020noelle crashing outsomething like this but angstier https://youtu.be/zU5sc5AZn5E?t=136
>>4053020most normies really didn't care about suselle until ch5 made it official, almost all of the support was from susellefags getting them to stop caring is likely pretty easy, just make them have a falling out and not get back together
>>4053024Which also isn't emotionally colored for Kris. It is stated exactly like it is, you see Noelle with flowers in her hands smiling. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like all the other shadow crystal scenes.
>>4053027the flying aces confirm kris isn't a copy
>>4053022No, that's just what the Shadow Crystal does normally in the Dark World, or it's the "default" vision in the Dark World because the game can't tell what (You)r lost/broken dream is as your mind and will exist beyond the game's confines, and since (You) seem to have much stronger influence over Kris in Dark Worlds compared to Light Worlds, it prioritizes (You) over Kris..In the Dark Sanctuaries, there's exceptions because Toby wants to make a point that the prophecy is ABSOLUTELY immutable that not even in a fantasy reflecting Kris's lost/broken dreams can the prophecy be subverted or averted, it's THAT absolute that you can't even have a "what-if" hypothetical about it.In Flower Kingdom, he's still running high on emotional complexity over the Suselle faggotry, so that ends up putting his will over yours which causes the Shadow Crystal to show the Noelle vision, even inside of a Dark World, when normally you only get those visions in the Light World where Kris is more in control of himself in terms of dialogue and actions.
>>4052940Don't you decide the girl's name in Skies Forever Blue?>When you made my name/the same just as/the one you love/then i knewHmm, I wonder who's the only character who we decide the name of in Deltarune...
>>4053022>He also yearns for empty classrooms and computer labs apparentlyHoly fucking retard. Take a look at this pic. Using the shadow crystal in the dark world makes Kris see something related to the theme of that chapter's dark world. But in Chapter 5, the shadow crystal behaves abnormally for some reason, giving us a vision just like in the light world. This has never happened before in the game. Kris sees a lost dream in his own dark world = he sees his own lost dream.
>>4053032>you see Noelle with flowers in her hands smiling. Nothing moreSo this isn't romantic at all? Are you stupid or just autistic?
>>4053035The pregnant cage...
>>4053029susellefags would just cry about "queer erasure" but most people wouldn't give a fuck really (and some would even be glad it happened)but you know that if they ever break up, they will get up together for real in the true ending, I already gave up hope
>>4053040Gaster forcefully made your Vessel a girl because he's WOKE.
>>4053041True Ending is gonna be the Threesome Ending, that way all angst over the unlucky cucky doesn't have to exist (aside from Berdly, but he's a happy cuck as long as his maidens are happy too.)
>>4053028Hey, you know what's funny?74 is a third of 222.Which is Susie's maximum possible HP in chapter 3.I don't know if this is me seeing shit where it isn't there, but it's more numerology connecting Susie and Noelle to 74. Possibly.
>>4053039We don't know. The image is presented without any context. It could be romantic, it could be romantic but unrelated to Kris at all, it could be completely non-romantic. Everything beyond that is headcanon.
Which song is supposed to apply to 7B>Skies Forever BlueNoelle takes control of our choices and forces herself on usThe 7B website and SFB site are essentially identicalEnds with her getting the best end>Greatest Living ShowA girl goes to a puppet masterShe gets used up just like ERAM said she wouldEnds with her dying ingloriouslyWhich is true? They both contradict themselves
>>4053041They'll break up but then make up and get together again.
>>4053044Sorry chuddie Kris is only gonna be allowed to watch
>>4053044>True Ending is gonna be the Threesome EndingRules straight up clowns on this ideaIn a weird way I think it was foreshadowing Susie bringing Kris along everywhere on her date with Noelle, there is this weird forced emotional throuple going on even if Susie herself may not fully realise itShe doesn't want Kris going on his own dates or dating other people.Her greed is endless.
>>4053048It's gonna be Greatest Living Show since there's no sign of Noelle in the last mantle stage.
Toby needs to read up on the rules for mystery writing.
>>4053054Chapter 5 castle town did damage control for threesomes. It's going to happen.
>>4053034>>4053036You don't get to magically just change what Shadow crystals do to suit your fantasies. It either follows one established rule or can mean whatever the fuck you want, including romance, future, past, alternate universes, whatever. But if that's the case there's no point in even discussing it because everyone just interprets it so it suits their bias. In my opinion for example, Toby simply forgot what Shadow crystals are or relegated writing these scenes to someone else who isn't aware what they do, that's why we have completely different results in ch5 compared to other chapters.
>>4053055Kris is "used up" to and is still there in the last stageAnd it's hard to deny the connections between SFB and 7B
>>4053054Rouxls clowns on it, but Starwalker shows it's still possible.
>>4053057He's not writing a mystery story>but it reads like a mystery storyYes, I know, but it's not a mystery story.
>>4053048Both.7B can only happen because the Device is at its breaking point, just as SFB only happens because one file was allowed to run to nearly the limits of the battery.It shows us the "how" and perhaps even the "why", but it doesn't show us what the true results will be.
>>4053054Also I dont get how Susie is allowed to take the castle town for herself its MY castle town I the player NAMED it.
>>4052355What if7A will be the 74th time Kris dies and everything loopsBut in 7B things will be different, Kris won't die this time
>>4052463Funnily enough I mostly agree with my results.
>>4053060>Kris is "used up" to and is still there in the last stageOf course, that's the Vessel, which is stuck in the depths, we're getting it back, that's the "Kris" of the last stage.
>>4053060The HERO_SWORD of Board 3 is meant to parallel the Vessel, especially once it walks outside of the game and allows you to act independently of Kris while Kris can act of his own volition, even if the two of you are still loosely linked together based on dialogue boxes and choice prompts.
>>4053048If you interpret the Vessel as the girl from SFB then both can apply.Otherwise it's the greatest living show for me.
>>4053048In gls the girl is Kris not Noelle
>>4053055Only way I'd accept Noelle dying is if its in the ending sequenceThere's just too much kino potential there for her post 5 character arc to go7b being a genocide retread of you killing everything again by yourself is the worst case scenario.
>>4053064Dragons are famously greedy and steal things, this is just par for the course for someone like her.
>>4053064No one refers to Castle Town as (You)town except for a singular schizo Rudinn who no one gives a flying fuck about in-universe. It's Ralsei's kingdom, not the Rudinn's kingdom, and Ralsei is a subservient bitch boy to what Susie wants since Kris doesn't want anything from Castle Town because he recognizes that it's not healthy to use Castle Town as a surrogate home.
>>4053057I think he's never followed more than maybe a quarter of this list. Why in the world did you ever get the impression he was trying to write a detective story?
>>4053071>7b being a genocide retread of you killing everything again by yourself is the worst case scenario.Maybe worst case scenario for you, I would be happy with killing Susie, Ralsei, the rest of Hometown and finally getting to do something else other than just unwillingly following whatever plan Kris had going on in the background.
>>4053069>If you interpret the Vessel as the girl from SFB then both can apply.But Kris gets used up too. We can't date the person we used up to get hereThe only way that could work is if we reset the game in 7B after getting our Vessel not for the Hometown massacre, but so that finally we could smooch Kris
>>4053047>it could be romantic but unrelated to Kris at all,Nah-uh. Shadow Crystals work based on the location where they're used. Using the shadow crystal makes Kris see something related to the theme of that chapter's dark world. But in Chapter 5, the shadow crystal behaves abnormally for some reason, giving us a vision just like in the light world. We see a lost dream, and not just some random lost dream as we see it in the light world, we see specifically Kris's lost dream. Why? It is Kris's dark world, he opened it. The dark world is created entirely based on the knowledge and imagination of the one who opens the fountain. So if we somehow see a lost dream while looking into a shadow crystal in the dark world, then that dream belongs to the one who has opened the dark fountain of this dark world - Kris.
>>4053076>my happiness with a story is determined by whether I can make these pixels """feel""" the way I want them toPathetic.
Hometown Massacre would be GenoKino and be the source of a thousands of AUs.
>>4053076That'd be fun to do in a Twisted Sword route, but it'd be a waste to turn the weird route into that
>>4053079Not pathetic, Toby literally encourages the creation of fan media where you make the pixels and and feel how you want them to. He gave his blessing to create 500 more skeletons during the 10th anniversary stream.
>>4053059>You don't get to magically just change what Shadow crystals do to suit your fantasiesTell that to Toby, because that's exactly what he did in Chapter 5.
>>4053077I mean, doesn't the girl in SFB fall in love with the Player? The Vessel could simply fall in love with the Player too, so we wouldn't need Kris in the equation.
>>4053064It's her worldHer friendsHer storyAnd (You) will be hers as well.
>>4053042Actually it's because he wants to fuck it but he's straight.
>>4053085>pixels and and feelPixels move and feel, rather.
>>4053079Ok.>>4053082I don't think there's gonna be a twisted route, I think it's just gonna be an item you can get so long as you get all the shadow crystals, if you don't have a thorn ring by the time you start chapter 6 you'll be able to get one during the chapter, don't ask me how, I have no idea how that will work, but I don't think the aborted weird route will be required to get the twisted sword.
>>4053059Then blame Toby for not setting up a clear ruleset if he was going to explain what Shadow Crystals are prior to chapter 7, don't blame me for interpreting the given material based on what we currently know.
>>4053020normies genuinely didn't give a shit about all the cuckelle memes, suselle isn't even the most popular deltaship on sites like TUMBLR and most people can barely be asked to draw art of it now. if toby revealed that suselle was actually "hecking problematic" i guarantee you most people outside of suselle troons would care its a complete nothing ship popular only because toby declared it canon
>>4053081Deltarune finishing in general will probably create a million AUs.
>>4053087The girl falls in love with the blue-haired protagonist, the player isn't involved whatsoever. Also I doubt the Vessel can feel much of anything without us
>>405304674 is 1/9 of 666
>>4053095I'm pretty sure the blue haired protagonist is supposed to be the player there, no?
>>4053091>I'm an expert on this matter>Also I have no idea how it'd work lmaoThere is no reason to discount the existence of a Twisted Route just yet, no clue why everyone gave up on it
>>4053094It's already creating AUs galore, they're just underground in the pits of Soundcloud, Tumblr and Discord cliques, and most of them are focused on Spamtenna in settings completely disconnected from Deltarune.
You know, I understand you want to fuck the Vessel and all that, I get it, but, I don't think there's enough time to have an entire VesselxPlayer romance in just one chapter.
>>4053095Guess i'll have to search up the interpretation where it says she's in love with the Player because I remember it being a real thing.Also the Vessel can feel as it has a mind of it's own separate from us. I posted the dialogue from Gaster that implies it earlier in the thread.
>>4053102what do you think 7B's for
>>4053102There are other pairings in this game working off of literal scraps you do not need much
>>4053099Cool that you're quoting something I never said. Anyway, my main reason for not believing in the twisted route is that I just don't really see how Chapter 6 could be considered short and straightforward, and only answering just one big thing, which are all things Toby said, and at the same time have an entirely different route that diverges significantly from the main route. I just don't see it happening. I do have some aborted weird route saves ready, but I'm keeping my expectations low, just like Toby said.
>>4053093>Tumblr >normiesMore like dykes
>>4053102Nah it's gonna end with The Vessel suddenly saying "I love you." before the credits roll and Skies Forever Blue start playing.This in turn will spark a debate regardless if the Vessel meant it in a romantic way or not.
>>4053057Deltarune isn’t a mystery story it’s a mystery box bonanza an like most plots that rely on mystery boxes it’s likely going to crash and burn near the end
>>4053102With the way things are going the vessel will never be mentioned and the ending is gonna focus on suselle
>>4053105Well I don't think it's for the Player and Vessel having sex, that much I am sure of. I guess we'll see though, I don't think I'll be making out with my monitor by the end of it though.
Would (You) reciprocate your Vessel's feelings if it said it loved you?
>>4053109If dyke prefer Krusie to Suselle what does that say about how the normals likely feel?
I like how pretty much all the arguments for suselle happening here basically amount to “what if Toby is actually a dogshit writer and nothing happens for the next two chapters?”
oh come one surely there has to be SOMEONE who earnestly likes and can defend suselle without pulling the “muh lesbians card”
>>4053096Interdasting
>>4053118But what if Toby is actually a dogshit writer and nothing happens for the next two chapters?
>>4053078>Shadow Crystals work based on the location where they're used.That's still true in ch5. Noelle is holding flowers from the flower shop. That's it. You can give that whatever interpretation you want and it won't be false because there are no facts attached to that scene that could disprove any take, any at all.
>>4053115i'd shit my pants and run the other way, gaster promised that lil' nigga wasn't gonna hear
Toby clubs you over the head that suselle is unnatural and will collapse, why is it still a conversation?
>>4053115Why the fuck would it love me I called it disgusting
It's a safe assumption that you'll be the Vessel in Side B based off punishment cage B, meaning there's no way it'd be a separate entity from usMaybe this is wishful thinking, but I could see Skies Forever Blue being that You go in the Vessel, Noelle resets everything, and Kris+Noelle+Vessel go on adventures together.Also they all marry each other and everyone's happy
>>4053121what if Noelle crawled out of your computer screen to rape you?
>>4053118Toby spitefully hates his fans and will end the game on a wet fart as a fuck you
>>4053126It knows you're just a tsun-tsun.
>>4053122>That's still true in ch5. Noelle is holding flowers from the flower shop. That's it.It's great that you ignored the rest of the post, anon.
>>4053118This entire fucking game has been "actually nothing is allowed to happen until chapter 7", he outright confirmed it in the newsletter.
>>4053118i mean he made it happen and we got a dogshit chapter as a result all we need to know is if ch6 is shit too, and given his words in the copeletter, i think he's scared that people might think ch6 also sucks
>>4053130Thats KRISKRIS IS THE CACTUS
>>4053127>you will leave to see noelle get double-penetrated by humans
>>4053133>all we need to know is if ch6 is shit too>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/summer26/>Chapter 6 is a shorter, straightforward chapter that focuses on one aspect of the story. Because of that, many things are still not touched on here – in fact, it may surprise you what was missing! But one thing will be clarified, whether you’re ready or not.>Some of you may say “Wait! You need to make the chapters longer, not shorter!” That’s an extremely reasonable concern, but... by the end of Chapter 7 I’m 100% sure you’ll understand why I feel confident about the way I’m telling this story. Don’t worry about the pacing until it’s over!That's basically a confirmation from Toby that Chapter 6 will not actually have much happen, what more do you want?
>>4053137chapter 6 will be filler where susie and noelle spend a day together in castle town, the ending of ch5 literally shows us this
>>4053131The rest of your post was fanfiction. There's no reason to address it.
>>4053066Same.
>>4053125Because everytime this game seemingly sets up something interesting happening it always finds the most boring route possible. Toriel slept through ch3, Asgore vagueposted, Catti’s done fuck all, the festival solely function to push suselle, Ralsei used his fire magic to burn a shuriken. Sure it’d make sense for Suselle to crash and burn but how do I know tricky Tony won’t “misdirect” his car into a ditch and have suselle actually be perfectly valid?
>>4053137>don't worry about the pacing until it's over!that's not how it fucking works, toby
>>4053140Yup, Chapter 7 will be a giga marathon with at least three Dark Worlds (Holiday Manor for Dess Guitar, ??? for Final Code, The Shelter) and it'll be so long that it totally eclipses both Undertale and all of Deltarune prior combined, just like Mother 3.
>>4052355>>4052365Honestly it would be a hilarious twist for the metanarrative about a character trying to change the fate of his world if in the end all he did was make everything even worse.He traded his SOUL and every earthly connection for less than nothing.
>>4053137idk he should just say its outright dogshit if it's gonna be dogshit
>>4053137The fact that he explicitly says to not worry about the pacing makes it clear that he thinks people are gonna be complaining about pacing issues over Chapter 6 too.
>>405312074 is one ninth of a demon's powerLet's suppose we defeat a demon's minion, like say, a cat (FRIEND???)You know how many lives cats have? NINE!!
>>4053145I mean, what if chapter 7 is 20 hours long or something insaneThe pacing argument would be a bit redundant then
>>4053144Also, "setting up a party only for it to go horribly wrong" is the most common writing trope in existence. Toby WILL subvert this, and Castle Town will be pure wholesome chungus yuri times.
>>4053142>The rest of your post was fanfictionNo, it was all based on facts about how shadow crystals work.
>>4053152based heckin toby affirming my sexuality in his vidya gaem
>>4053151that would still suck ch7 in mother 3 is very long and it still has fucked pacing that necessitated the infamous leder lore dump that toby is no doubt going to emulate, because he doesn't understand that the difference between the good things and the bad things in mother 3
>>4053151>I mean, what if chapter 7 is 20 hours long or something insaneThat would still be shit because having everything be developed and resolves in a final mega chapter instead of doing it more naturally through all the chapters is weird. Would be better than nothing though.
>>4053150I like this chain of logic How far does it go?
>>4053102It will just have a generic speech towards you like Chara had at the end of genocide.
>>4053151Also not to defend toby but its totally in RPG tradition for the final act of the game to be a schizo lore dumpXenogears is a good example (Fuck you can even tell toby stole a whole twist there with how one of the main characters tricks the cast into eating people)
>>4053151You guys' new gigacope is that chapter 7 is 20 hours because Mother 3 did it too.Why do we have to rely on copes to expect anything good from this game though?
>>4053163Because the only other option is the game's last 2 chapters being nothingburgers and most mysteries being left unsolved.
>>4053161Doesnt matter if its tradition or not, its bad writing desu
>>4053144>>4053152I don't see the narrative purpose of a wholesome chungus castle town party, it goes against every theme the game has presented so far, it goes against the "things get serious" spiel from the newsletter and finally it is completely illogical in all routes. The absurdity of it is meant to illustrate how far gone Susie is and is required to set up her turning into the antagonist
>>4053159It means you have to play Deltarune's normal route nine times to get the secret Gaster endingRemember FUN events in Undertale? Get ready for UNFUN events.
>>4053163 we're already assuming he'd loredump because Mother 3 did it
>>4053160>*Wow [PLAYER_name] you were so hot when you told me to kill all the men, women and children in Hometown.>*Can we do that again? Pleaseeeee?
>>4052958I think the mods should live stream their suicides as all of 4chan cheers. That sounds like a better idea
>>4053161Well, yes and no, a final loredump is certainly a staple, but I think what Deltarune is setting up is way worse than that if Chapter 6 ends up being very inconsequential. It's not gonna be so much a loredump with the resolution of all the mysteries and plot points, but rather a chapter that's gonna have all the development still missing, and then the resolution.
>>4053169I hoped Susie would be the good guy not the bad guy, something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTIQYxmZIg
>>4053165I mean, this is totally something Toby could do.Just make Dess the knight and explain That Day in 2 minutes or less, bingo.Gaster shit obviously left unadressed so he can bait for a third game.Don't need 20 hours of gameplay, 7A could be the same length as 6, something like 4 hours.And have a boss rush in 7B so like 5-6 hours but of worthless content since it's le evil route.
>>4053176>Not linking the superior song that will obviously be usedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLXAnx8YXiU
>>4053177Yes, but, since we don't know what Toby is actually gonna do, people would rather choose the optimistic option, rather than the other one.
>>4053177what the fuck is wrong with tobyhe makes mysteries that lead to nowherefuck your stupid gameand he has the audacity to complain about dataminers
>>4053177>And have a boss rush in 7B so like 5-6 hours but of worthless content since it's le evil route.
>>4053175Toby will copy from VN staplesThe normal route will be character drama focused, with a ending that leaves more questions than answers that will be later explored in other routes or side contentIn the same way the normal undertale ending leads you on to relaunch a play-through to further explore the game. Is there a happy ending in here somewhere...? A world where violence isn't the option.
>>4053180>and he has the audacity to complain about dataminersConsidering all the secret pieces of info that's restricted to datamining, I think he has gotten over that by now at least.
>>4053176i'm conflicted on whether toby will include megalovania for the nostalgiabait or specifically avoid using it because it's 'too undertale' nowpersonally i think he should to keep it a toby fox thing instead of a sans thing
>>4053181I really want 7B to be mandatory and 7A will end in a softlock unless you did it, mainly just so the people that post that kind of stuff eat shit
>>4053181Some people on xitter and /utg/ really think like this
>>4053185probably use it though i'm personally not sure *where*megalovania's been associated with characters that are psychics in some way, dr. andonuts has PSI after going loopy and vriska is a mind-controller and sans has telekinesis (apparently) and can read people very well
Always bet on the final fight against the Fun Gang to have Megalovania (renamed MEGALOMANIA)
>>4053181we now need a nayuta saying the exact opposite
>>4053181Okay but it'd be fun though
imagine if the backlash from chapter 5 was strong enough that Toby ends up delaying chapter 6 just to rewrite it into revealing more shit?
>>4053192i don't think toby honestly gives much of a fuck of what the fanbase wants out of the story
>>4053191Me killing you will also be fun.
>>4053192Imagine if Toby was a good writer
>>4053195but he certainly seems to care about his reputation, given the cope patch and him telling people to be ready for disappointment with ch6
>>4053195Also WHAT backlash nigger 5 has been pretty positiveVagueposting memes are just that, memes
>>4053151Here’s a bold idea Tony how about you have shit happen IN THE PRIOR chapter that way you don’t need to make chapter 7 50 hours long and avoid most of the game beforehand being literal filler
>>4053201It brought down the 98% positive reviews to 97%
>>4053179I know, but the idea of 6 and 7 being shorter than 5 still terrifies me (I hated 5 if you couldn't tell)
>>4053154There are contradictions there. Kris made the TV world yet the Shadow Crystal there doesn't behave any differently than ch1 or 2 - which we don't even know who made in the first place, though we do know Kris had a save in ch1. Nowhere is it stated that the crystal reflects Kris' dream specifically (judging by Seam's explanation it's implied to be the original holder's dream and that it's useless for Kris) and it doesn't line up with what is actually shown by the crystal at any other point in the game, in both dark and light world.You could argue that ch1 and 2 world origins are still unknown and maybe even ch3 world wasn't the original one to appear in Kris' house, so that actually makes THOSE worlds the anomaly in terms of Shadow crystal results and it's supposed to do what it does in ch4 and 5. But that's neither here or there for now since that's probably ch6/7 material, if at all. Honestly I kinda doubt we're gonna go in depth about that unless it's directly related to the plot. Even if the whole "the dark world reflects its creator" thing is a really interesting topic that could potentially change how we view all the previous chapters.
>>4053200>cope patchwrong
So will deltarune likely better than undertale as a whole when it’s all said and done?
>>4053208Yeah.
>>4053208Nope, with the way things are going it makes me think Undertale was accidentally a good game.
>>4053201discourse on it has been mixed compared to past chapters, which is why toby addressed that in the newsletter (and thus it reads as damage control)
>>4053181Someone edit Susie saying this
>>4053208To me Deltarune was already better than Undertale by the time chapter 2 ended.
>>4053208I don't know it isn't fucking done yet
>>4053214
>>4053188It might be Kris. He's not a psychic but he technically was in a deep mental connection with us
>>4053202>avoid most of the game beforehand being literal fillerDo theoryfags not understand character development or themesERM TRICKY TOBY YOU DID NOT CONFIRM MY FEMKRIS GROOMED BY DESS THEORY, THEREFORE NOTHING HAPPENED!I don't understand how you could play through chapters 1 to 5 and not see toby's priorities>>4053211I saw the exact same shit back in the day when people talked about chapter 3 or 4 being filler or the worst out of the batch on here
>inb4 deltarune is finished and some autists make some snoot game tier mod that genuinely ends up being better received than the actual ending
>>4053137>>4053151It feels like a not-so-subtle hint that we're getting a complete Side B with all the chaptersThat's the only way the pacing would really work out
>>4053221noelle's been getting equipment and item use text additions since ch. 3 for loads of shit she can't use because she's not available, between covering both ralsei and susie's bases as a damage dealer and group pacifier i do think we're getting a full B-side with her
>>4053220Deltarune yellow will be better than deltarune
>>4053220As much as I don't like where the game is going, mods are just reworks at the end. It will not matter as long as the canon deltarune exists
>>4053218>I saw the exact same shit back in the day when people talked about chapter 3 or 4 being filler or the worst out of the batch on heremaybe for 3 but 4 advanced the plot enough and had a good cliffhanger, and people understood toby not wanting to release 3 by itself because it would truly then feel like filler (even though we got the knight appearance and the shelter being brought to the foreground)5's plot barely advanced and is more or less in the same spot as 4 was at the end, see all the predictions people were making for chapter 5, sure toby said "one last fun adventure" (which is an annoying excuse people use to just brush away all the issues) but it could easily fit some more concrete reveals instead of just vagueposting and kris being third wheeled. asgore knowing about dark worlds and the festival were too hyped for years and it amounted to nothing, imagine being edged for literally years only to be blue balled at the very end
>>4053218>anyone who complains about the pacing is actually a theorytardNIGGER THEORYTARDS ARE THE ONLY ONES BENEFITING FROM THIS PURELY BECAUSE IT MEANS NON OF THEIR CRACK THEORIES CAN ACTUALLY BE DISPROVEN
>>4053220/sus/ is already working on that
>>4053224>by the end of chapter 1 kanako’s already figured how dark worlds work and set the main goal of sealing all the fountains and capturing the outlawDRY already won purely for not having reactive drooling retards as it’s protagonists
>>4053218people who were calling 3 or 4 filler were genuinely either baiting or retarded, if we start using obvious bait or retardation as a genuine way of attempting to make arguments we'll end up in a fucking ouroboros spiral of eating our own shit
>>4053220A game made by the eternally seething schizophrenics here could be fun to play for a while i suppose.
>>4053233I want to play CoL's Deltarune
>>4053225man toby can tell us a million times "man i sure do love fan content even when it contradicts what i've thought up" and people will STILL be like "ugh this fan content isn't good because canon exists... ugh...."
we’re five chapters in. What are Kris’s motivations?
>>4053221>>4053223Skies forever blue new game+ stocks are to the moon
>>4053240Maybe to protect noelle to avoid the tragedy of the prophecy, MAYBE
>>4053221>It feels like a not-so-subtle hint that we're getting a complete Side B with all the chaptersThis is a mega cope since Toby's team is simply incapable of doing such a thing without the game taking until the 2030s to finish. That said, if it did happen, I would kneel forever.
>>4053238Yeah I bet it would be fun to see just how soulless his Deltarune would be.
>>4053238who the hell is CoL?
>>4053240Nostalgia for being doelested
>>4053246Lurk more.
>>4053231 really it's just Susie who's the idiot.Kris is antagonistic and Ralsei just doesn't get to exist half the time
>>4053239>>4053246same guy?
>>4053207>Thing they'll be scared about for a yearAnd yet discussion died down after a week because what is there even to talk about regarding FRIEND other than that Kris is gonna be in a world of trouble when chapter 6 comes out a year from now! (assuming thats not pushed back to chapter 7)
>>4053251no??
>>4053240He wants to pedo groom dess who’s been in time stasis for the past decade (she’s 13)
>>4052463>>4052768Update>KINDNESS 7 >JUSTICE 6>PERSEVERANCE 3>DETERMINATION 3>PATIENCE 3>INTEGRITY 1>BRAVERY 1Anons are so kind! And fair! The patient and determined anons have decided to stop waiting and start voting too!
>>4053245His favorite games are Paper Mario 64 and TTYD I trust him
>>4053253you type like a tourist.
>>4053257i like putting two question marks because i know it makes you think this, it amuses me
>>4053242Oiginal timeline?
>>4053260why is the faggoat there though aren't we supposed to kill him?
>>4053260Yes but replace Kris with the vessel
>>4053263The Vessel has no connection to Noelle. It would ruin it all.
>>4053262>>4053263Replace Ralsei with the Vessel
>>4053208Depends on 6 and 7.
>>4053265Have you played the start of the game?
>>4053266Okay, now I'm sold
>>4053256>TTYDYou mean the game that deliberately hides the fact that the "treasure" everyone's looking for is actually an ancient demon?That's what the "no mysteries" guy likes?
>>4053266>noelle sandwiched between two kris' (one is gray)bet she had a fun time until everything went horribly wrong
>>4053272>You mean the game that deliberately hides the fact that the "treasure" everyone's looking for is actually an ancient demon?isn't that revealed halfway through the game?
>>4053263replace noelle with kris and kris with the vessel
>>4053274A twisted revealed halfway through is still a twist dude.
>>4053260Replace Ralsei with ERAM and Kris with the Vessel and you get the OG fountain Seal Squad.(Just kidding the original Fun Gang was the Vessel with Susie and Ralsei).
>>4053276halfway is still better than deltarune where we are in the final act of the story and still don't know shit
>>4053181>>4053212
>>4053279AIEEEEEE SUSIE-SAMA IM SORRY FOR DOING THE WEIRD ROUTES...
>>4053220You're saying this like it's some sort of gotcha moment. This is like saying "inb4 yume nikki is never finished so some autist makes a fan game with more content"
>>4053278whats there to know anyway its just a wacky random funny adventure game
>>4053279Kek
>>4052319Why is she so angry?
>>4053278Sure but that dude argues more about shit being "straightforward" despite said game wasting your time with shit like General White or Chapter 6 where you're just fucking around until Smorg shows up
>>4053279The seethe when doing WR will actually be required to get a proper resolution will be great
>>4053279Kinda bad edit ngl
>>4053137>>Chapter 6 is a shorter, straightforward chapter that focuses on one aspect of the storyIf that aspect of the story is THAT DAY, then I will be pissed, because that should have been clarified in chapter 5. I KNOW Toby withholding a fuckton of information to prolong theoryfagging
>>4053279so you're telling me that it's susie who's saying noelle is going to immediately die when we start 7b?
Oh Kris... that horrible day Kris...
>>4053289>theoryfaggingGotta get those remaining Undertale fans who didn't watch a trillion theory videos yet invested!
>>4053287that's the only thing I've been hoping since chapter 2
>>4053289i think he's just another one of those paranoid gen x/ millennial authors who thinks their story will be 'ruined' if people figure it out before the story reveals it it's a really nasty trap that more often that not ruins a story and makes the author start spitefully changing things
If you dont like Tobys story make a better one yourself
>>4053296Okay toby but your story isn't out yet
>>4053296Kris is a girl and she has sex with my grey daughter.
>>4052463i think a lot of these kindness results are a bit too bound to other aspects>you believe that sugarcoating something is harmful in the long run>[strongly disagree]>you put your own needs before others if you have to>[agree]>other questions like these get similar results>... 74% kindness?like im sorry but i just cant take this seriously.
>>4053300most of the attributes are vague and can be easily taken for one or the other, something the test does also note
Does anyone really think at this point that the weird route WASN'T the ending Toby saw in his fever dream? The main route will be important, but as setup for the weird route's ending. Where the FUCK do you think the main route is going to justify its ending as the fever dream over what we're already going through in the weird route?
>>4053291Yes, because Susie's ego and self-importance is so vast that she believe Noelle genuinely deserves to die immediately for betraying her.
>>4053303the 74 song seems to be a prototype of deltarune's actual premise while undertale was teaching himself vidya production on top of being a prototype of its characters
>>4053255>still the only guy who got braveryyou're all chibis
>>4053310Shut up rat
>>4053295>i think he's just another one of those paranoid gen x/ millennial authors who thinks their story will be 'ruined' if people figure it out before the story reveals itToby should not be allowed to make something with episodic releases again if that's the case, because he's not doing a good job at it.He should learn from manga authors and how they handles chapter releases. Something like JoJo makes it clear on what is the goal of the MC at the start, and people get to see how we reach that point.Meanwhile, we are like past 60% of the story, and we have no idea what is Kris' goal. Hell, we already know what is Frisk's goal in Undertale even from the demo
>>4053297Its the story about how suselle will save the world
>>4053137>>4053289The Incident could have been explained by now, and now knowing Chapter 6 won't reveal that much makes me consider:If Toby is so confident but also so stingy about revealing the plot, this has to mean The Incident, Dess, the Knight, the Eggs, the Crystals, the Final Prophecy, the Shelter... It MUST be a story where knowing a crucial piece of the puzzle makes every other piece fall in place, so revealing one will massively hint what the others are about. I'm scared of this scenario because whatever Toby is cooking has to be exceptionally good or the whole story will fall apart.
>>4053313>we already know what is Frisk's goal in Undertale even from the demoHave hot goat mommy sex
>>4053314how much does he get paid by the lgbts
>>4053317his goal was to molest (consensual) alphys because she won't say no, in fairness we could not have possibly divined this goal from the demo
>>4053318Paid?
>>4053318my brotha from anutha motha THAT BITCH ASS NIGGA DOES IT FOR FREE
>>4052628I mean we already know Ralsei wants to save the world, that's not a mystery.
Krusiebros...https://youtube.com/shorts/IqtxwTBdKKY
>>4053207Toby will never be able to patch out the fact that Normal NPC is way cooler and creepier than FRIEND
>shorts
>>4053215kek
>>4053324Kris' bootyhole
>>4053326NormalNPC even has IRL feats just like his master, you can't patch those out either.
>>4053323But we don't know why exactly he can't use his super duper powers to try avoiding the prophecy's bad thing.
>>4053326Normal NPC KILLED one of the lightner, cooked his corpe, and serve it to the clueless locals FRIEND cannot top this. I know the most It's gonna do is kill some darkners and bite Kris' hand
>>4053324SHE WANTS HIM IN HER HOLE
>>4053208I don't think it will. It's way too unfocused while Undertale was a much tighter experience
>>4053208Depends on how good 6 and, more importantly, 7, are.
>>4053298That's Toby's story except they're genderless instead.
>>4053331Doesn't he already explicitly state why he doesn't try to solo shit in the WR? Because he thinks trying to break the prophecy will lead to something worse. And in the main route he makes a point about how he's trying to do this for Kris and Susie's sake, to help them, and even volunteers to do the whole adventure himself.Only for the plot to make it clear going solo isn't going to solve anything. That what the Titan fight was about, like story-wise. He can't invalidate Kris and Susie's struggle since they won't grow into who they need to be, they were only able to succeed through Susie's idea, even if it was fated to happen.But yeah he's really passive, he method of trying to help is being nice and hoping things go well. Which is part of Chapter 5s conflict, he won't even try to break the prophecy or go against fate directly in contrast to Flowery who goes against it brazenly.Which ends on the story going:>Yeah you may not be able to break fate but you should at least try for a better outcomeWith his attempts to save Flowery. In short, kind of like Noelle, he lacks self efficacy, it's a character flaw. Except unlike with her, he knows for a fact that fate is predetermined.
>>4053332monsters apparently still dust regardless of susie making a blood euphemism once but unironically it would be scary as fuck if normalNPC somehow got around that and produced a monster corpse or otherwise made use of his body while "fallen down"
>>4053310Can I have sex with you, Orange?
>>4053341chibis need to keep their chibis in their pants
>>4053317One of the few things that is clear about Frisk is that she REALLY wants to leave the ruins.
Man you can’t miss a single day in here or else you miss hundreds of posts
>>4053350This is why we need our own board
>>4053350Last thread was mostly gender faggotry so you didn't miss much
>>4053351what would the thread topics be besides the general discussion thread?
>>4053339>Yeah you may not be able to break fate but you should at least try for a better outcomeI kind of see this too, but for a different purpose. Fate can't be changed, and there is just one ending, after all. But by attempting to change is how Ralsei can fulfill his character arc because trying anyway is how he enacts his freedom, his own desires. Kind of in a sense, if you know the destination of your journey, isn't it better to follow the path you chose yourself to get there?At least that's what I get. I know the game gasses up Susie to grab the pen of hope and change the world to write a new outcome but I kinda wish Deltarune is truly a story that lives by a fatalistic theme where there's something more important than trying to change your inevitable fate.
>>4053355NTA but I imagine most threads will focus on the fan content Some AUs would have a dedicated generals, others focuses on certain characters, and there will be focus on certain types of fangames
>>4053355/doe/, /sus/, /kri/ etc.
>>4053351It would get flooded by utgfags and become as unusable as their threads
>>4053358does /kri/ exist?
>>4053355Thread for each UT/DR character.
>>4053360/doe/ and /sus/ are secretly both /kri/, but they get upset when you point this out
>>4053360There was a trash human thread once but it died sadly.
>>4053363kriselle and krusie are both bad
>>4053366suselle is the best and intended by Toby
>>4053360/kri/ would just be anons lusting after Kris, with some Kress posting too.Actually maybe /kri/ should exist after all.
>>4053367it's...... it's going to fail anon...
Deltarune powerscaling
>>4053371Me > everyone else
>>4053360if it did, it'd be dealing with schizos fighting over whether there's a dick or a puss the whole damn time
>>4053371unironically omega flowery would neg the knight if he stayed outside of cutscenes, he already holds a degree of meta knowledgeif not by pink then we would've obtained the last shard thanks to him
>>4053375Rouxls vs Omega Flowey Who would win?
>>4053377Rouxls is the most powerful character by fat but he is also an absolute retard
>>4053371gaster = (you) > noelle > kris > ralsei > everyone else in the game except for susie > susiethis shit's easy
>>4053377rouxls' rule manipulation is busted but that is technically nullified with omega flowey's access to the save file
>>4053377Rouxls kinda has to use his gimmicks cause he's shown he's really fucking bad at fighting
>>4053381>everyone else in the game except for susie > susieLMAO
>>4053296I'm trying Tobert
>>4053377Flowey. He doesn't follow turn rules
>>4053245It wouldn't be that bad, surely?
whats the least gay ship in this game
>>4053277that doesnt even make sense, doesnt the shadow mantle creature want to spread darkness everywhere
>>4053389carol/rudy
Why is Rouxls like this?
>>4053389either carol/ rudy, catti/ jockington, or ralsus
>>4053389Burgerpants and Catty
>>4053389Pizzapants and Catty
>>4053392Absolute master of NTR
>>4053389Kriselle
>>4053392NTR chapter please understand
>>4053399You sold this to children?
>>4053392Netori BVLL
>>4053392>Kris is a teen>Assumes the Mizzle is Kris' girlfriend >Proceeds to make out with her Rouxls is canonically a pedophile
DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR FATHER
>>4053402he thought kris, susie, and ralsei were having threesomes why are you surprised
>>4053385>Kris is sandbagging>Ralsei is sandbagging>Noelle has an insta-kill spell>Berdly has the highest raw stats by farSusie has to at least be the weakest of the main characters
>>4053392This fucking slut!
>>4052463Stand aside losers
>>4053407>screen photoSOUL
>>4053406This was supposed to be the unanimously loved rpg to blow the world away? Sounds like shit.
>>4053403i will need the source for that cover
>>4053408HOLY CHAD
>>4053407cup niggas deserve better than these WHORES
>>4053406>susie has never seen noelle in combat>still tells kris that they need her strength to deal with the knight fucking berdly would've been the smarter call from her perspective, but i guess susie's idea of a second date is fighting the guy who's proficient in nabbing cops
>>4053403I tried downloading a few of these but when I post them I can never get them to work, can a niggy get spoonfed
>>4053415she's probably the floor level slut mizzle the cups were ignoring they know what valuable maidens look like
>>4053417Unfortunately Berdly's annoying, so that's the biggest sin of all time in Susie's eyes. Also because that'd require Toby to make the consequences of Berdly's arm getting fucked up or not actually mean something aside from alternate dialogue in the Light World.
>>4053418make sure the syntax isn't broken"files.catbox.moe/e4vm4z.mp3" should be rendered as it is in that image's name, "[sound=files.catbox.moe%2Fe4vm4z.mp3]"some browsers or apps like kuroba might fuck up the filename if downloaded
>>4053408FRISK!?!
>>4053423
>>4053423>>4053425based thanks dad
>>4053389Dessriel?
>>4053398Kris is a they/them so no.
>>4053429kris from boston: dey/dem
>>4053424Frisk is patient enough to wait for the noodles to cook so nah.
>>4053429>Kris is a they/them so no.You either have a penis or a vagina. Non-binary is a made-up concept that doesn't exist in reality.
>>4053433>gif relatedI don't get it
>>4053433>>4053434AMOGUS
>>4053266>>4053260>>4053270>>4053273I'm not great at this sort of thing, but I wanted to make an edit of my personal favorite crack shipI really hope we get to play this out at some point
>>4053434
>>4053439noelle is a ho ho hoe
>>4053441LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A CAT BITE
>>4053439Spitroasting Noelle?
>>4053441AAAAIIIEEEEEE
>>4053439>Vessel doing Luigi's Racist Chinese Cowboy impression against KingKEK
>>4053439I don't think Kris would let us anywhere near Noelle.
>>4053441No fucking way
>>4053451vessel only gets butt and mouth stuff, the other one's for kris
>>4053439i see you removed milklooker, which i get but at the same time kris still has his goofy grin while lancer's getting choked outtrying to make a high effort shitpost less shitposty with those random small details can be a pain in the ass though so i get it
>>4053439Insane power stance on the vessel. That's how you stand if you know how to FUCK
wait, at the end of chapter 4, did Susie not go back to her home, but went and slept inside the closet at the school?Did she also sleep at Kris' bed instead of her own? What are the implications of that?
>>4053462>What are the implications of that?She is a mentally ill dragon who relies too much on escapism.
>>4053433Okay but Kris is still a they/them in the actual game
Im still really mad about the suselle lake scene
>>4053465Because he's gender ambiguous. If he or anyone else said "This is Kris Dreemurr they are nonbinary and their pronouns are they/them" then it would be an open and shut case.But it's not. No one alludes to Kris's gender identity, and constant "they/them" on its own does not make a conclusive answer beyond "deliberate ambiguity to help serve the metanarrative of the player inserting into Kris despite the fact the player is not Kris."
>>4052463I got kindness and around 50% of everything.These sorts of tests never work for me because I'm unsure about everything.
>>4053466Me too anon.
>>4053462How the final Prophecy panel BROKE me
>>4053465Not really
what do you want 7B to be gameplay-wise? seems like lots of people want genocide 2.0.as long as i murk susie and ralsei it's all good.
>>4053467So, if Kris is gender ambiguous, then do you think this ambiguity is ever going to be cleared up in the game?
>>4053469I just replayed it, it only gets worse with time
>>4053466I wish it wasn't that kind of game either anon but what do I know, I don't even like yuri
>>4053473No, because unless the answer is nonbinary, Toby and everyone who ever worked on Deltarune would be doxxed and lynched by the snowflake mob.
>>4053472Killing Susie and Ralsei would be very nice. After that, I don't know, depends on which way the story goes. If Kris and Noelle are dead or otherwise abandoned, then I think the Hometown massacre makes sense.
>>4053464I meant the implications of Susie sleeping on Kris' bed instead of hersCall it copium, but this can work of another evidence of Susie liking Kris. Maybe she really likes him, that sleeps on his bed because it smells like him>>4053470Maybe the tragedy has to do with Kris?
>>4053473no because the entire point of making a character's gender ambiguous is to leave it to audience interpretation and not really have it be essential to the plot. it'd be like if undertale randomly revealed that frisk was actually black and the yellow skin was actually to prevent chuds from yelling racial slurs at the pixels on screen
>>4053476>>4053483Ok, so you accept that they/them Kris is a valid interpretation then.
>>4053482>SPECIALLY ralsei wont let it happenIs what susie said, so it has to do with ralsei or with the castle town directly imo
>>4053483>the entire point of making a character's gender ambiguous is to leave it to audience interpretation and not really have it be essential to the plot.Unfortunately didn't work with Deltarune because not only did you make it ambiguous as to whether our heroes are actually the heroes, not only did you assign gender roles, but you also implied a tragedy will befall one of our heroes, specifically the girl, so it brings Kris's gender ambiguity into question and whether or not that's actually plot-relevant, especially now that we know this kid is planning suicide if everything doesn't go absolutely perfectly.
>>4053472>>4053477still find it funny how toby managed to get this site to be completely sick of these two and actively want them to die horrible with just one chapter. i mean come on they're not THAT bad i mean they kind of are but still
>>4053486sure as long as you let me call kris a guy and let me post my chara tity porn in peace
>>4053488Can someone refresh my memory on that? i know the prophecy says "love finds its way to the girl" but i forgot if it was confirmed if that has anything to do with the last panel
>>4053489You know I was really going to say they're not actually that bad and that I'm kind of exaggerating because I'm frustrated at how long the game is taking, and while that is a factor, after thinking about the game's events, particularly chapter 5, I think I'm not exaggerating, at least not that much, they really are that bad.
>>4053465>Okay but Kris is still a they/them in the actual game Doesn't matter. Kris has a penis, and he's not gay.
Remind me, how many other characters besides Spamton show an interest in taking your/Kris’s soul?
>>4053489>This siteLet's be real it's ritual shitposters and/or jannies dissatisfied with the fact that getting it banned as a topic off of /v/ had no impact on whether or not the game is popular, they never liked them in the first place.
>>4053489I believe only 4chan understand the meaning of this game(It could be that even toby doesnt understand it either, it happens, see watchmen comic)
>>4053490Ok, that's all I wanted to know.
>>4053495Do we have a definitive answer for hyperlink blocked?One of the things in chapter 4 says>Have you heard of hyperlinked blocked?another one of them goes>The answer... was love?so I kind of thought "Love" could fit in what Spamton was saying, too
>>4053489honestly I don't really have anything against Ralsei considering his biggest crime was just growing a backbone and wanting try and fight inevitable his way now.
>>4053491Very heavily implied to be something horrible happening to The Girl with the knowledge we currently have.>Kris is trying VERY hard to keep Noelle away from danger (minus Cyber World, which seemed deliberate for the sake of giving her an outlet to build up confidence since Rudy's dying soon and she needs to be able to stand up for herself once it's JUST her and her mother), including distancing himself and denying his own love life with his childhood sweetheart; especially with how he SEETHES and starts thrashing the soul in Weird Route Chapter 4, he's VERY protective of her>prophecy is so bad that Ralsei didn't want anyone to see it, Susie goes into full-on denial mode and dismisses it with weak excuses like "it's not gonna happen" after embracing the prophecy because she previously took it as validation that she's actually someone special, even Kris is bothered by the prophecy if you try using the Shadow Crystal after Susie shatters the glass as he desperately tries to make it change to no avail
>>4053488>STILL unironically pushing kris being the girlall i'm going to say is this. how the fuck could toby reasonably fit in THAT twist when the game only has two chapter's left and already has fifty billion pre established twists and mysteries that won't nuke this fanbase. like is kris going to just turn to the camera and go "no you stupid troons i'm not actually non-binary I'M THE GIRL and susie's just a retarded larper" before the game proceeds to schizo dump about how catti is actually FRIEND's mom and how the bunker is actually Carol's sex dungeon
>>4053499I think the strongest candidate might be "hope" since he can say "freedom" in other contexts and does say "beloved" in another context, which isn't exactly "love" as a concept but is close
>>4053500Yeah I was about to ask what does everybody have against Ralsei lolHe's becoming his own man.. slowly but surely. If the Dragon games are actual foreshadowing devices then he might just leave the party.
was susie seeing the last prophecy part of the plan?
>>4053499Does Spamton say the word "love" at all? because i always assumed [HYPERLINK BLOCKED] had to be something Spamton can't say otherwise
>>4053495it is genuinely hilarious how this fucker is still the most important character to this game. i'm pretty only gerson came close to rivaling him and he's pretty much an anti-spamton
>>4053502I see
>>4053508https://github.com/supercat3point0/the-spamton-quote-databaseSpamton says "beloved" once, facetiously, but not "love"
>>4053503I'm not saying I'm a FemKris believer, but I AM saying that Toby dug his own grave if the intent was to let Kris's gender ambiguity be irrelevant to the plot while specifically gendering the roles of the second and third heroes.
>>4053506He keeps things from us, he is pretending to be useless, he is a hypocrite
>>4053500>>4053506If anything i liked Ralsei in chapter 1, hated him in chapters 2 and 3 and then went back to liking him in chapters 4 and 5
>>4053499I'm sure it's LOVEIt goes well with Spamton getting mad at Kris at the weird routeIt also adds another meaning, since Spamton is also accusing of Kris and Noelle fucking, which fits someone vulgar like him, and the allegory of these two getting married with the thorn ring
>>4053500>>4053506people hate him for just blindly supporting all the retarded shit susie pulls his this chapter despite that being a known trait of his, that he's slowly starting to subvert, and even then susie going full retard is likely part of the reason he's fucking livid this chapter
>>4053516It also lines up with what happens later in chapter 4, which is quite literally a sex allegory to the point it used literal defloration imagery before being patched.
Kris got DEFLOWERED but ENJOYED it because he’s a WHORE
>>4053502>Cyber Worldwasn't that to grant her wish of seeing a big city? the creation of the computer lab fountain has always been confusing to me. it's the one thing that makes me consider noelle knight
>>4053389I can't think of a single couple that neatly fits a 1950's stereotypical american couple dynamic. By that I mean a masculine and leading male and a feminine and subservient female, and neither of them being a single ounce of queer.The Cattenheimer parents are close but they don't really show the specific husband and wife hierarchy.King and Queen are also close but Queen is too bossy, King gets softened and mocked in the jail and he calls RK a "lesser dad".Carol and Toriel are obviously the dominant ones and Rudy and Asgore have a little too much bromance. Same for Dess and Asriel. A little bit for Catti and Jockington too.Pizzapants is too much of a dork and Catty and Bratty aren't too soft either.The weather couple is bissexual.Susie ships don't fit, neither Ralsei ships. Berdly thinks he is hot shit but doesn't commit. Pink is soft on her Mew Mew side but bossy on the Mad Dummy side.Kriselle fits at first but Noelle gets bossier than Kris later on the weird route.The ONLY pairing that is the closest to a traditional straight couple is Cap'n and the happy head from Clover. But even that gets a little warped since he is also dating the angry head at the same time.
>>4053512*YOU THINK MAKING [Frozen Chicken] WITH YOUR [Side Chick]*IS GONNA LET YOU DRINK UP THAT [Sweet, Sweet] [Freedom Sauce]?*WELL, YOU'RE [$!$!] RIGHT! BUT DON'T BLAME ME*WHEN YOU'RE [Crying] IN A [Broken Home] WISHING YOU LET YOUR OLD PAL SPAMTON [Kill You]Still the most kino dialogue in the game
>>4053513i mean the simple answer is that toby likely didn't think his fans were dense enough to try to argue that random characters were randomly trans or that kris's genitals were suddenly going to impact the plot out of no where. the non-binarytards naturally chimp out at the idea and malekris and most femkrisfags tend to have enough self awareness that toby isn't going to confirm kris's gender this late into the game
>>4053519>chapter 2 is where the marriage happens>chapter 4 is where the consummation happens
>>4053522It's multi-purpose, really.>lets Kris and Noelle reconnect>gives her the character development she needs to start standing up for himself>humbles Berdly enough that she can actually deal with him and establish real boundaries in their friendship>lets Noelle see a big city, and it's akin enough to the one Dess said she'd take her to before disappearing
>>4053523unironically you're going to have a very difficult time finding a "trad" couple in any game, let alone one enormously flavored by earthbound like undertale/deltarune
>>4053514>He keeps things from usHe was keeping things from everyone, that's why Chapter 4 called him out on it.>he is pretending to be uselessKinda fair but also in his defense not only did he think trying was pointless but assumed throwing caution to the wind like Flowery would just make things worse
>>4053500For me the last straw was him refusing to fight Flowery, I really cannot stand his bullshit anymore after that.
>>4053530get jashit on, nerdy boy
>>4053526>chapter 5 is where the bride rapes the groom
>>4053528Which is ironic, because every game in the Mother trilogy have trad couples Toby is just too subversive and think going the opposite of gender norms makes the characters more interesting
>>4053530eh, if I wanted to complain about characters ignoring me I would've shitted on Susie since the very beginning.
>>4053528>flavored by earthboundNess/Paula and Ninten/Ana can be quite trad, though I guess the pan attack might take a little from the tradness.I'm really having a hard time remembering any 100% trad couple in fiction besides some historical dramas I barely paid attention to.
>>4053534every game has trad couples as either a background element or a critical plot-point in mother, hell first couple seen in the same household together in earthbound is the minches who are not functional
>>4053538it mostly comes down to that trad couples aren't realistic even in a grounded setting and they're not interesting in a grounded or fantasy context
>>4053527>but Noelle gets bossier than Kris later on the weird route.she still depends on (You) to achieve anything, and wishes for your command. she's mental, but still.
>>4053535It's mostly just people being upset that Toby can't make up his damn mind on whether or not the mercy system is a vestigial mechanic he has to hold onto out of obligation or if it was ALWAYS supposed to be here and he was just blatantly lying earlier, seeing as how Chapter 5 is full of mercy-only fights, chapter boss and shadow crystal boss included, compared to basically every other chapter only having one or two mercy-only minibosses that drag on.
>>4053542she becomes a true-to-life submissive (unhinged fantasies she is forcing upon her dom)
>>4053542woops meant to reply to >>4053523
>>4053535To be fair I considered Susie to be a lost cause from the start, but I expected better from Ralsei. In the end, I was wrong. I don't particularly like Susie either it's just I did not expect this from Ralsei, maybe I should have seen this coming, but I didn't.Having said that, I hope the game doesn't expect me to feel sad about anything that happens to these two dumb fucks, because I really do not give a shit about whatever tragedy they're gonna be involved in.
>>4053547>but I expected better from Ralsei.better in what sense?
>>4053543I think there's some interviews where he more or less says he was kind of forced to add ACTs and sparing in because of Undertale, and he himself wasn't sure on how exactly to make it work well with Fight also being an option. It's clear that in the end he did not figure out a good way to make it work and just ended up favoring ACTing the vast majority of the time.
>>4053539Flint and Hinawa fall in the critical plot-point couples, and they're the most trad. Married couples who have two sons, with the mother being the caretaker at home while father does all the work outside. With how much Toby is copying the Mother 3, odd he didn't copy that too.Now that I think about it, Asgore has accomplished less than Flint did during his entire screentime, which is pretty sad
>>4053550Better in the sense that he would actually do what I tell him to instead of straight up refusing commands in battle. I said it already but I suppose I should have seen this coming, him starting to become his own person should have warned me that he was eventually gonna become a little shit who doesn't listen to what I tell him to, so I'm willing to blame myself for ignoring this.
>>4053551If only Ralsei didn't beg us to please ACT in chapter 1 and then there was this whole thing where we couldn't control Susie's actions and we had to plan around her FIGHTingIt doesn't feel that vestigal, especially when Ralsei says not ACTing may not result in the ending we want
>>4053489I don't get why 5 was the breaking point for you guys.They were both awful in 3 and 4.In 5, Ralsei finally wasn't a complete faggot, it's the best he has been since chapter 1. Susie didn't hog the spotlight, neither she had all other characters revolve around her and her issues.The darkners (the flowers) finally were allowed to be the stars once again. Flowery may have been used to develop Ralsei but that wasn't his whole deal, unlike Gerson.
>>4053494The point is that Kris being they/them means any ship with them automatically can't be the straightest unless Toby actually makes him a man in game
>>4053542>>4053546I think the fact she was the one pushing anything at all makes the couple not trad.>>4053541To be fair I don't think even most conservative couples I know IRL are too trad, they're usually closer to what Carol and Rudy are.
>>4053538Jonathan x Erina from Part 1 of Jojo is very trad.
>>4053551I feel like the pacify mechanic was supposed to be a way to make violence work, but honestly he should've just had it work the same way it did in Undertale where you could simply spare someone once they were below half.Needing 16% TP to have Ralsei pacify them one at a time is just horrible, and that's ignoring the problems of accidentally knocking someone out
>>4053560Nah. Kris is a boy and Noelle is a girl. Their relationship is completely heterosexual.
>>4053490This but add Frisk tity porn in there too.
>>4053539>>4053555There is also Maria and George. THOUGH, both George and Flint are a little flawed, which goes beyond the oldschool familly man father figure who is supposed to be always firm and all. I get it's pedantic but I'm just analysing things here.>odd he didn't copy that too.Toby straight up said he didn't like Hinawa as a character and Toriel was created as a response to that. It was in the 10th anniversary stream, he said something in the lines of wanting a mother character who wasn't just a mother.>Asgore has accomplished less than FlintHe accomplished less than Berdly lmao.
>>4053566Cool headcanon.
>>4053543I can let Flowery and Pink slide for different reasons but I can agree with the rest of the Flowers.I think Green/Orange could definitely just work as a regular encounter with some adjustments but Blue/Yellow definitely feel like the sort of encounter on par with like Jackenstein or Rouxls or the bots where you kind of have to put up with the shenanigans regardless.
The fuck does it mean to have determination but low perseverance?
>>4053562when the wine is running low and the marriage starts to foldand the trad life that you knew seems like faaaantasy
>>4053551Tying Deltarune to Undertale is a decision which consistently brings DR down because of how hard it is to conciliate both and also truly fulfill UT expectations.
>>4053566hmofa headcanons are the only valid onesnow watch this masterpiece (no seriously why is noelle va so fucking good) https://youtu.be/No1ScxAWrGA
>>4053576I meant more in the sense of the wife being as much of a matriarch as the father is a patriarch despite being otherwise traditionally minded.
>>4053571See >>4052783Tell that to Toby because he literally writes Kris as a boy.
>>4053575You're driven, but in a way that leans toward going big or going home rather than pushing until at least some of what you tried has been accomplished.
Many threads ago, someone pointed out that - because Tenna board games could be analogous to the current timeline being modified, Tenna could be a stand-in to Gaster, though I realize that isn't accurate. The current timeline we are playing goes against the prophecy, and because the way these prophecies are written like how Gaster writes, it wouldn't make sense that Tenna is a stand-in for Gaster since Gaster is pro-prophecy.I think it's more accurate that Tenna is a stand-in for the Roaring Knight. Someone who is trying to go against the prophecy and have been secretly working with Kris. This would also explain why Gaster was cheering you up against the Knight's fight. The Roaring Knight is anti-prophecy, and Gaster is pro-prophecy.The Sword Route shows us that we kill Tenna there, though I think this may foreshadow that Kris betrays the Knight in the Side B timeline. Though makes me wonder who ERAM is a stand-in for. Maybe it's Gaster because it attacks you with FRIEND? I do wonder if it also foreshadows Side B ending, with Kris getting out of the TV may mean the game ends with Kris getting out of Deltarune, but turning off the machine kills Kris.
>>4052783>Kris sees Noelle and Susie riding the Ferris wheel together>Kris closes his eyes and that's the first thing he remembersThis shit is too depressing, manChapter 5 have been misery porn for Kris
>>4053558>unlike Gerson.Gerson DID have the side motive of wanting to apologize to his son through Susie. Though it isn't as forefront as the shit Flowery's got going on
>>4053584is gaster pro prophecy? he seems to want (you) to create a new ending
>>4053584Ralsei knows of ERAM's existence and doesn't want us to go thereEven when we are in the Sword route, there are trees constantly blocking us.Add in the fact that Ralsei gets really into a game while we're busy with this and ERAM uses fire magic, I think they're connected somehow.
>>4053588At the end of the day, even that was more of a Susie moment than anything else.My main issue is how Gerson was the mentor for Susie ONLY despite Kris and Ralsei being as troubled as her if not more.Kris only got a tap on the shoulder, Ralsei was entirely ignored and (You) got somewhat encouraged to go forward with the weird route despite the same guy calling you out for doing the genocide in Undertale.
>>4053587>Chapter 5 have been misery porn for KrisWe haven't seen chapter 6 yet...
>>4053582That is literally me.I either full ass it and break myself or I just don't try.
>>4053590Assuming Gaster's the Angel, he'd absolutely be Pro-Prophecy because fulfilling it means his greatest desire is met, which is to grant a future to a world with only one ending, even if he has to be banished and can't see it for himself.
>>4053590I mean, isn't it implied that Gaster is the one who wrote the prophecies?>>4053592If ERAM is a stand-in for Ralsei, then this would explain how he is the second dragon who is in disguise. He literally says in chapter 3 weird route that it's a bad choice to go with festival with Noellealso>picthe trees could reference Forgotten Man. He doesn't appear in chapter 2 weird route
>>4052319>That OPSo the /utg/ troons are finally here
>>4053584The Knight is already killed in another room in Mantle, the black deer room.
>>4053603>troonsbit of a sore thumb u are m8
>>4053603Stop being mindbroken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYFSpDbYY2c
>>4053603nah the utgfags would be roleplaying here. I feel like these are particularly annoying /v/ refugees
>>4053603No, it's just FemKris fuckers, who were /v/ regulars. You don't get those from /utg/ because they'd be crying about pronouns, since for some godforsaken reason they're just as bad as Reddit, Twitter, Tumblr, Discord, etc. about it.
why are we seething about the femkris op 980 posts into the threadfeels a bit late for that
>>4053613Nothing much else to argue about for the next few days
>>4053614>next few daysTry "until we get Chapter 6's release date."
>>4053613We should talk about how cool and awesome Susie is instead
>chapter 7>kris is revealed to be a vessel>vessels are revealed to be nulls without any genitals>but kris deep down feels like having a gender anyway>text overtly says kris "transitions" to a femalehow would /v/ react?
>>4053613FemKris always triggers schizos for some reason.
>>4053619It's the ultimate "fuck you" to just about everyone.>causes normies to seethe>causes self-insert fags to seethe>causes insecure fags to seethe because "I-I-I-I'M PLAYING AS A G-G-G-G-GIRL!?!?!??!!? NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOW THEY'RE GONNA CALL ME A TRANNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY">causes lorefags to seethe because that means Jaru was right all along
>>4053617>susie learns she was never the girl hero from the prophecy>everything is falling apart>she has the worst mental breakdown possible>this starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYScugBAWQ4
>>4053618id book a flight to japan and hunt that poodle down
>>4053620jaru doesn't take femkris seriouslyit's just a silly headcanon for him
>>4053594It's so awkward that Gerson indirectly encourages you to do the Weird route I have to assume he's such a happy go lucky old man you're not meant to think he's all that wise
>>4053624Even the wisest make mistakes
>1k posts in less than 24 hours from thread creation Deltarune, is strong...
Why are there almost no theories regarding the bond of the Holiday family with Christmas
>>4053624It pisses me off that UT Gerson was a much more layered character. He showed all his very cynical side on his geno dialogue. I always loved his bit about him and Asgore there.Then Toby comes in 10 years later in that stream and uses him to retcon what the human-monster war was in the usual Deltarune-esque sappiness. God dammit.
>>4053631It's just the usual quirkiness from the setting and Noelle might end up having some relevant christian allegory thing going on at some point.
>>4053631Because Christianity doesn't actually exist in Deltarune.
>>4053632>It pisses me off that UT Gerson was a much more layered character.Is he? People started paying attention to him after his Deltarune appearance >He showed all his very cynical side on his geno dialogue.Yeah, and it was great. I do wonder if he will act the same way if he learned what Kris has done in the weird route
>>4053635The part where Asgore said "God" and not "Angel" wasn't lost on me
>>4053638And it is just a figure of speech. I'm serious, the closest sign to Christianity is the Angel religion which superficially resembles it, and that's it. Christmas is treated in a completely secular way in the gal so it's not even worth talking about.
>>4053632>>4053636Remember Old Man is just dustner Gerson, it's not actually him but just a nice little doppleganger memento thing that incarnates a memory of who he was, but not all of him. The real Gerson would've had a wider range of thoughts.
Asgore and Monster Kid confiding in each other as the only Christians in Hometown
>>4053624He doesn't encourage you to do it, he says that going the wrong way and sticking it out when things look bad can turn out alright.Seems to point more towards the fact that he know's the prophecy's been broken since day 1 and even if you try to run the weird route through things out of your and Noelle's control are going to run on their own, things are ultimately going to work themselves out.
>>4053613>weIt's the same one guy.
Fact: FemKris theory has exactly one counterargument (Asriel and Kris shared a bedroom). However, that itself can be countered by Toriel being canonically poor and the house only having two bedrooms. They had no choice but to share.
>>4053645Pizzapants' dialogue with Kris is the most boys be boys talk ever and doesn't make much sense if Kris was a teenage girl
>>4053647Pizzapants talks to Kris as an Asriel proxy, not as their own person. He even says to pass the info on to Asriel.
>>4053649>talking to a girl so you pass info about girls to the big brother
>>4053651Yes. Pizzapants is a weird ass guy.
>>4053489I just think it would be cool to kill them, although I wouldn't mind the opposite and us never seeing them again. Honestly I think either killing them or not meeting them again could work, depending on which angle Toby goes for.I'd like to see Ralsei again the most since unlike Susie he doesn't have a tragic send off the in the W.
>>4053652How many hoops do you have jump to make sense of this theory?
Is Kris was a girl, pizzapants would he hitting on her instead
>>4053649Not necessarily. Pizzapants acknowledges Kris has real talent as a singer compared to Dess and Asriel in Chapter 5, directly addressing Kris' individuality.
>>4053635There's been stories where characters celebrate christmas even though christianty can not exist with in it's world
>>4053509He's unironically so good that he makes the rest of the game look bad by comparison. I remember when chapter 5 just released most of the complaints about Pink were "Spamton did it better" which i have to agree with
>>4053507No because Ralsei seemed to REALLY not want her to see it
I hate Mew Mew because her being a secret boss makes no sense. Why is she on the same power level as Jevil et al.? It's so random.
>>4053584>>4053600>I mean, isn't it implied that Gaster is the one who wrote the prophecies?Yeah if we're going with Mantle parellels, Ramb says that the old game had freedom (no Prophecy), but Tenna made the journey an a-to-b adventure (imposed the prophecy). I already said this a bit ago, but my idea is that the original world was doomed to failure and in the failure a deal was made with Gaster to reset the world and impose the propechy.So now the world will be saved at the cost of the final tragedy, but consequently the prophecy itself has become a point of tension people struggle against.Or as another Anon said, it's the Troll's Sburb session in Homestuck.I have some other thoughts, like I think ERAM is his own guy. He doesn't use Gaster's speech quirk and even their manner of speaking is different, besides with Gaster running the save system I think he could just force an outcome if he wanted it.Rather I think he just wants to see the culmination of his Deltarune, whatever that is, and the new future he wants to create is the future where the world is saved.Then again that's if you wanna take Gaster and Tenna as 1:1 as possible, but personally I don't think there's a strong case for the current timeline deviating from the prophecy. I just think people are struggling against it and trying to manipulate it, but no one, at least not yet, has broken it.
>>4053662Because Toby likes the funny catgirl and chapter 5 is meant to be a fun adventure where you turn your brain off and just enjoy the ride, by Toby's own admission.
>>4053660I echo that sentiment for Undyne and Green, and Mettaton and Yellow. The UT takes on altnerate Green and Yellow souls, cruelty to be kind and self serving justice are more interesting than what DR has done with them by a mile.It's not even close, and it's no wonder alongside Blue that they're the flowers I dislike.
>>4053655>Everyone calls me Pedopants now.
>>4053662That action figurine is limited edition nigga
>>4053662Because Toby wanted her in the japan level but had no way to work her into the main story so he just made her secret boss and called it a dayThe game very much lampshades how silly it is with ralsei's dialogue before entering the room and the shadow crystal just being given even though there's no reason for mew mew to have it
>>4053669you say that but Jevil is funnily enough the only character we have zero clue on where his Shadow Crystal came from. he didn't even have one to begin with
>>4053669>The game very much lampshades how silly it is with ralsei's dialogue before entering the roomI wanted to crush that faggot goat's skull do hard at that time.
>>4053669watch as the game makes it mandatory to interact with that bitch to finish the game
>>4053670Which confirms how Toby did not have this game figured out a decade ago let alone when he first dreamed it
>>4053673The Queen's design change is the biggest evidence of that
>>4053670>>4053673The Shadow Crystals weren't planned and the MANTLE game wasn't plannedInteresting how the former is required for the Twisted Sword
>>4053673>let alone when he first dreamed itOf course not he already said the dream was mostly about the ending
>>4053676The Weird route was also not planned
>>4053673Well yeah. You think someone can just come up with the entirety of a 40 hour game in the span of one single fever dream? Obviously the dream was only the broad strokes of a story, or even just the ending to a story.
>>4053678Why do you think that?
I honestly can't think of a single ending in fiction so good that would retroactively justify writing a story around. Can you think of one?
>>4053683Many authors/writers work backwards if you weren't aware anon
>>4053662I used to entertain the idea of Mew Mew being a chapter 3 secret boss (anime airs on TV and all) back in those innocent days we thought there would be seven schizos across the game.Pink and chapter 5 as a whole is just proof Toby has no damn clue on how to pace tonal shifts. We started with the novelty of Jevil and the Gaster references, then Spamton hinting at really bad things going on under the surface, the double gut punch of ERAM and Knight, Gerson being an uplifting surprise, and the journey ends on a Mike tier joke fight.>>4053669The whole fight isn't shy about nonsensical it is. Pink soul mode! Except she bought purple dye by accident. Then she starts rambling about her "feline web" despite the fact she isn't a spider at all. The dating HUD comes back and so on.
>>4053683One where you save a princess.
>>4053683To be fair what qualifies as "good" isn't outright objective and like all ideas can be fleshed out and change overtime
>>4053682No indication it exists in Chapter 1. The notion he made Deltarune inspired in the dream of a single ending. A general uncertainty on where does it fit because it seems so disconnected from the Normal route.
>>4053683It's mostly the final battle rather than the literal last thing you do, but Giygas in Earthbound.
>>4053683In all honesty?Undertale's neutral route. Omega Flowey is an amazing concept, and he needed that entire game to set up the context for it.Not as much for the pacifist or genocide endings.
Undertale sold a perfectly servicable game with its neutral route.There was no excuse to make deltarune force you to subvert the prophecy, or force you to get the shadow crystals just to get to the last chapter.
>>4053693damn you stole my answer. im not sure if i trust toby enough to top this. everything about neutral's final sequence is so perfect.https://youtu.be/ftOve7asyF0https://youtu.be/TDZ1eHLPuEU
>>4053697the Weird Route and Shadow Crystal Quest aren't mandatory, neither are the Egg Rooms.
The closest I can think of is Madoka Rebellion. The entire movie (and arguably TV show) existed to set up the ending twist.
>>4053683What a weird question. Why does the act of writing a story require justification, and why is an ending any less of a valid starting point for a story idea than a character or a theme or anything else?
>>4053697>to make deltarune force you to [shit we might not even actually stop]>force you to [shit we have no proof on]?
>>4053689>No indication it exists in Chapter 1. Didn’t that bloody red mist kill animation exist since Chapter 1
>>4053700>Weird Routewe don't know that for sure yet..
>>4053703I'm just trying to imagine what kind of ending Toby could have dreamed. Are there any other endings so majestic that would retroactively justify writing a story around?
>>4053700Don't believe you. I get this funny feeling it will be, a worse situation that having the Asriel fight and the True Lab attached to pure pacifism.>>4053704picrel was all the proof i need. The prophecy was warped and forced from the moment I saw the early Titan in chapter 4. And judging from what Ralsei turned into in chapter 5, I'm convinced that the game will force you to change the prophecy.
>>4053709Chapter 5 literally ends with the power of hope and friendship not being enough to avert fate. But you bless your soul Ralsei is going to try his hardest to save everyone.
>>4053708And I'm just telling you, "retroactively justify" completely misunderstands the act of creation. It's not something that seeks justification. You might as well ask "what child could you possibly conceive that would justify you having sex with your wife?"
>>4053698Asgore was an amazing character in the neutral route. And I say this from the angle of it being a more traditional fantasy story.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MW-xF1KecThe two most hard hitting chords ever.Flowey was also an amazing pay off to what the Demo had set up.I really don't think Pacifist or Genocide hit as hard. One is too saccharine and the other is too edgelord.
>>4053715>what child could you possibly conceive that would justify you having sex with your wife?Sounds like a valid question to me.
>>4053709I still don't feel why the one ending thing has mindbroke most fans so hard since 2018.I was a little disappointed with the prospect but my main wish was to just see where this whole thing was going.
>>4053714I don't care about hope and friendship, let me attack flowery and have fun with the game.the game already averted fate by forcing you to not attack flowery and making his not serve the knight
>>4053714Even GOD HIMSELF wasn't enough to avert the prophecy, Toby might have stopped the Queen's Chariot (her car) with a traffic jam but that just meant GIGA Queen became her new unstoppable chariot.Everyone's fucked as fucked, simple as.
>>4053719I dont play adventure games to "see where things are going"You cant structure an adventure like that.
>>4053698God Undertale was so kino
>>4053724>never watched a single adventure movie
>>4053714>power of hope and friendship not being enoughThis isn't exactly the messaging I was getting. Sure, the flowers had some spirit, but in the end, they are neither lightners or darkners. They can't have DETERMINATION. At least, not them.What Kris, Ralsei and Susie have isn't exactly what the flowers had, either. Kris, Ralsei and Susie are stumbling through their fate, all three of them, and the only one who is able to catch them when they fall is (You).Kris can either eat shit if you miss the input or fight off Flowery by just himself and (You), and that's not small.Besides, the Knight didn't beat omega Flowery. We did. Or I mean, Asgore intervened, I guess.
>>4053728movies aren't my primary source of entertainment.
>>4053720Look, you can Crusaderpost all you want but that's some funny headcanon.
>>4053731what other interpretation do you get from your party members actively preventing you from attacking the most recent enemy
>>4053729Technically speaking, (You) don't do shit for anyone throughout the whole of the game up until Chapter 7, because you'll get to load straight into it once it's released, no completion data required, and the Shit Squad will have handled everything by themselves.You're quite literally only necessary for the last 5% of the game and all of this beforehand minus the eggs and Shadow Crystals was just wasting your time, especially since the plot doesn't want to move until Chapter 7 anyway.
>>4053734>Technically speaking, (You) don't do shit for anyone throughout the whole of the game up until Chapter 7And yet, in Chapter 4, when they needed (You)
CoL should be a schizoboss for /vrpg/rune
>>4053735I didn't do that, the game did it automatically. Kris's soul doesn't need me to operate, as evidenced by the fact I can start any chapter without prior completion data.It's ONLY Chapter 7 where I'll be necessary, as there is no Chapter 8 or Epilogue to load into.
>>4053734This is one of the things that makes me enjoy the weird route more. On the normal route I'm a nobody, I don't do shit, I'm just a tool to be used for Kris and the rest of the gang whenever its convenient, nothing more, as soon as I am not useful anymore I bet I will be thrown away. At least in the weird route I feel like I am actually doing something, like I have some actual agency.
>>4053729I mean in Deltarune Determination is more about the ability to create Dark World/Fiction. Even the save system is kind of removed from Determination since it's all handled by Gaster.Besides with the focus on Making Noelle Stronger I have a feeling in the normal route she won't be strong enough to do something.
>>4053739Remember, this was sold as the game that you're expected to unanimously love as toby fox's masterpiece.Also there arent even battles anymore weird route is worthless.
>>4053738I dunno, it fits the context of the situation. Our power is to close the fountains too, and it's not like that ISN'T us doing that.
>this was sold as the game that you're expected to unanimously love as toby fox's masterpiece.PfftTry some better bait.
>>4053745>Our power is to close the fountains tooIs it? Because the one in 3 got closed while I wasn't even present for it.
>>4053736/vrpg/rune?
>>4053747The "thank you for watching my dream" shit is guilt-tripping done to make you feel bad if you dont like it"oooo the poor little uwu millionaire made his little indie game sucking off nintendo's tit, please like it guys or i might kill myself"
>>4053693>>4053698One of my favorite scenes in Undertale is neutral exclusive. https://youtu.be/tpR_mvYUI8U?t=331I was fortunate enough to get to play Undertale completely blind and had to just bear with the deaths of Toriel and Undyne because I didn't think there was a way around itBut the fandom ruined it by yelling at people they had to play pacifist.Whenever a new chapter of Deltarune comes out, I always try to play it neutral first and it makes things more interesting. To be forced to run away from the angry mob in chapter 1, to watch Queen be depressed about the lack of recruits in chapter 2, to see Tenna and Jackenstein die and stay dead in chapters 3 and 4.To uh, not be allowed to talk to anyone in the cafe in chapter 5. This recent one wasn't very interesting
>>4053748Contrivances of a narrative and time skipping, I suppose. Well anyway, lastly the song that plays during the scene is>A Dark Placehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG177cepVfkand there's also the lyrics to Raise Up Your Bat which also fit this situation. I think it fits and it's more fun this way, at least if that's the intention from Toby.
>>4053752>To uh, not be allowed to talk to anyone in the cafe in chapter 5. This recent one wasn't very interestingSometimes I get the feeling that this is just Toby's way of saying "either be a complete pacifist and recruit everyone or do the weird route, anything that is in the middle between those is not worth doing"
>>4053756Stupid moron shouldnt have given you weapons then
>>4053755Right, and because Toby didn't think of how that might look to the narrative, alongside the ability to start from any chapter you want, it affirms that (You) aren't actually very necessary to the plot, and your true purpose won't be until Chapter 7, which can't be skipped over, aside from the fact Kris will not go out of his way to get the Shadow Crystals (which he's canonically interested in) unless you do, nor will he pursue the eggs for obvious trauma reasons.
>>4053750>The "thank you for watching my dream" shit is guilt-tripping done to make you feel bad if you dont like itHoly moly
>>4053752>weirdo who actually likes violence having consequencesEwww
>>4053760I hate Toby Fox's guts, I really do, this is the same guy who refuses to give vital information in the game taking 8 years, the same guy who spits on you for using the weapons he put in your hands, the same spiteful piece of shit who dedicated his career into destroying my favorite things.
>>4053759>Use my heart as an ark? As if tobert, nice tryUsually you have to lean into fiction a little bit if you want to enjoy itWhat did you do during Undertale when you can't be mean for the true route? Just do neutral, see credits and think "Oh yeah, that was a video game"
>>4053758The weapons are for the mandatory fights, of which there will be, probably like, 5 or 6 at most by the time the game is finished.
>>4053763I ignored the pacifist route, i hated the amalgamates you couldnt attack and the Asriel you couldnt attack or even lose toNeutral was the better game.
>>4053763Not that anon but I just did pacifist then genocide to finally indulge into my urges to be mean to the characters.
>>4053752Damn. I recall playing no mercy neutral but I had memory holed Undyne's death besides the melting bit.Also, a lot of people think Queen's neutral dialogue is a weird route thing as well, and I only found out about Jack's death online because I didn't even bother to play 4 again after I learned there was almost no weird route content after the bedroom scene.Again, shoving UT mechanics in this game for no reason was a mistake.
>>4053766>he really did just do neutralThis isn't very HOPES and DREAMS of you, anon>>4053769This is actually the optimal way to experience Undertale's narrative if you didn't knowthe game actually assumes you do this and it changes the prophecy they tell you when you know>The angel, who has seen the surface, will return to empty the undergroundit's kino manI just hate Suselle!! I hate yuri, Morty, I hate lesbians!!
>>4053772I have a sword, I want to use it, don't care. Asgore should have been the only boss if you fulfilled some kind of condition and the game would have been fine.
>>4053772I hope Deltarune gives us something similar. I'll be playing the normal route too but God do I wish I could just cave in Susie and Ralsei's skulls. Hopefully the weird route can deliver.
>>4053772>reset my game right after killing sans so it remains untaintedyep, i win
>>4053770>shoving UT mechanics in this game for no reason was a mistake.Not NO reason.Very high chance we would've had them or something like them anyway considering Undertale's existence is thanks to the ideas he had for Deltarune
>>4053776>not making it all the way to Flowey begging for mercy and only resetting right then and there
>>4053756>anything that is in the middle between those is not worth doingfucker shouldn't have made Gerson said to do just that then
>>4053736Who the fuck is CoL and why is he named that?
>>4053782Gerson meant something completely different with that and this is just a common misunderstanding. I have full faith in this.
>>4053783He named himself that after the whole "sealing the fountains" thing he kept going on about
What do you anons think about recent fan made chapter concepts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em6J-sRuoHohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOHoq7K0RVAI've only seem stuff for 7b lately.
>>4053774To be fair, Toby doesn't seem to mind if you violence and then pacify. You can even do this in Undertale.There's even flower gear to make the cost of Ralsei's pacify 0 TP plus we have access to Scythemare, I assume, moving forwardBut that's also the fucking issue is that you're getting these fucking items in chapterFIVE????How long is chapter 6 and chapter 7 going to be???This is why, to me, there has to be a time loop or something. Make the NG+ playthrough just a bit easier.
>>4053783Crusader of Light. He's the guy who made the post that goes>why am i still playing as kris if he is willingly sabotaging the mission>i came to deltarune to complete the mission. seal the fountains, kill the knight, stop the roaring. that is what i care about, nothing else, amd i can't even have that. i have no allies in the game who will actually take orders the way they're supposed to
>>4053689I think what is now the normal route's ending is the one that wasn't Toby's dream. I think his dream was about breaking a game, but he realized when trying to plan it for real rather than just on vibes that it just wouldn't work if he didn't have a "real game" for you to bypass. This realization may have partly been driven by making Undertale.My reasoning is that the writing and pacing have suffered more the less relevant to the weird route the chapter is.
>>4053779He explicitly said years ago he saw it as an artifact from UT.
>>4053789Why is he roleplaying as the fucking Batter of all people
>>4053789Ah yeah he's a complete schizo
>>4053790>Chapter 1 is great because it's the foundation of the whole game>Chapter 2 is great because it's the first instance of Weird Route>Chapter 3 is hit-or-miss but Mantle is spectacular, and it's Weird Route-related>Chapter 4 is great in general because the story's finally taking itself seriously>Chapter 5 nosedives severely because it's supposed to be completely skipped in Weird Route>Chapter 6 is probably going to be even worse about this because you don't even play it in Weird Route to begin with>Chapter 7 is probably going to be necessary to play first in order to gather full appreciation of 7B regardless of 7's overall quality, since 7 and 7B are being treated as completely different chaptersI'd believe it, honestly.
>>4053787I'm still under the belief that Normal NPC will be some kind of a boss in 7B. There is has to be a reason why he is the only Gaster follower that has no normal counterpart like the other two
>>4053793Because that is how he processes all fiction. He has an OBJECTIVE and the game is obligated to provide him with token resistance in a perfectly rigid format on the way to that objective. The objective should be a physical thing in the world, at most he can have a task to accomplish that is as good as done the moment he reaches the object required.And he needs the game to make it clear that he is a very special boy for doing all of this. No doubts from the party. No complaints from enemies that aren't clearly being pathetic. No NPCs being rude or withholding what he thinks they should give him. Because anything else is "taking away his fun", and the point of games is to be "fun".
>>4053800he’s quite literally the kind of guy you could basically use as solid ground to write some kind of antagonist for a hit new indie game
>>4053798dude I'm scared of even speculating about this sort of stuff and spawning something awful into reality again
>>4053790>>4053797how much would people seethe if toby made the weird route mandatory? imagine if the normal route concluded with a non-ending you can't progress from unless you have a wr save. correct me if im wrong but completing chapter 5 wr sets a flag that affects all saves.
>>4053804Can't get worse than straight up poisoning people with takoyaki during a fan event.
>>4053803When is the CoL character coming to deltarune
>>4053806that was amazingby awful I mean underwhelming like Onionsan turning out to be fine all along
>>4053805I guess it would suck having to play 3+4 again but uh, more content woohoo.
>>4053808battat is gonna enter his don quixote arc soon
>>4053808If we make him viral enough, maybe Andy will convince Toby to put him into the game just like he did the Mikes.
>>4053805>imagine if the normal route concluded with a non-ending you can't progress from unless you have a wr save.Normal route is where the timeloop will happen and you will go back to chapter 1. We already got Susie's dialogue for ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXeftLB9UTo
>>4053805At this point i think 6 and 7A are going to be straight cheeks. No payoff, 7A is going to be MGS2 levels of expositions. Kris will learn about the evil conspiracy of the Sons of Gaster and their plan to artificially profit off of the lightner-darkner wars as part of the hero industrial complex.
>>4053812someone do it, the seethe would be monumental
>>4053813We've also had the "only one ending" since Chapter 1 as well. It's when you give up and let the world fall to darkness. The only difference is that when you reach the end of 7A, instead of "Continue" you'll get "Retry".
>>4053815It wouldn't be the first time either, Aberrant in the 10th anniversary stream literally existed to satirize whiny faggots who worship Toby (while making shit up about him to vindicate their own zealotry about how they perceive the game) while policing you on how to play the game.
>>4053817I'll be honest, I wasn't sure if the "wahhhhh you're supposed to play pacifist!!!!" fags really needed to be spanked again after ch1's whole thing, but it was gratifying to see anyway
>the game only has one ending>as in it has no ending. It just loops.Bravo, Nolan.
>>4053820The "one ending" is the world falling to darkness. You can either accept that all of your efforts in the end were futile, or loop to try and find another ending, even if that too is futile.
You guys are expecting too much. The game will have a good and bad ending. You'll get the good ending by getting full recruits. That's it.
>>4053822>You'll get the good ending by getting full recruits. That's it.>he thinks the normal route is where you're going to get the good ending
>>4053683like >>4053684 said a lot of stories start with the ending in mind first and work backwards to get thereunfortunately, toby seems adamant on keeping the ending super secret and special and nobody is allowed to even get a whiff of it until he personally allows them to see it in ch7, which effectively means he's writing the story with little to no regard for the ending because it's going to be a huge surprise and twist when we get to it, making this entire ordeal very confusing and potentially pointless because there's a high chance it isn't going to actually matter
>>4053822It's not gonna be that simple. At most you'll get a slightly better trajectory, but you'll still lose.You need the Pure Crystal to manifest your own hopes, dreams and determination into DELTARUNE to compensate for all these punk ass faggots who can't do the bare minimum and briefly elevate the Shit Squad to True Pacifist Frisk-tier power.
>>4053822chapter 5 suggests that will lead to the worst ending though. the power of friendship lost, literally.it would certainly be a dramatic rugpull for those who somehow still believe this is undertale 2
>>4053220>deltarune comes out>worst ending in the history of art>his entire team gets crusified >everyone every single month makes a deltatune fan game , just to have a better ending>becomes a unrelenting tradition for rest of human history.>all part of tobys plan.
>>4053826Power of friendship only lost because friendship alone isn't enough, you need genuine determination, which Flowery lacks because he still doubted himself, his self-awareness damning him with the constant reminder that he's just a worthless flower.Kris whooped Flowery's ass because of our determination, which is also why he's completely immune to his acts of mercy that DID affect Susie and Ralsei, because our resolve is too true and too beyond Flowery's scope to sway us.
>>4053827would it be worth having his reputation dragged though the mud and forever tarnished to achieve it though?i've heard toby was quite the attention whore before he made undertale, and seems to care quite a bit about his image in the eyes of the fandom at large, if the cope patch and newsletter are any indication
>>4053813The only way I can see the timeloop working is if it involves Noelle actually being in the party.Anything else wouldn't vary enough
>>4053821The "one ending" is the game finishing and You leaving. No matter the route, this WILL happen(You) are effectively a character now. Kris will grow to care about you. But one day, you'll have to leave, because you can't stay here
>>4053833Right. And in doing so, the world falls to darkness, except instead of literal darkness, it's the meta darkness of the game never being turned on again.
>>4053829he is just following his idol.
>>4053833>>4053835hol up isn't this just that music video he worked on a few years ago?
>>4053837if his hussification is truly terminal, then we have to hope that temmie will be able to salvage this
>>4053838Yeah turns out those music videos completely spoil Deltarune's plotThe main issue is whether the Weird Route is the Greatest Living Show or Skies Forever Blue
>>4053837*his landlord
>>4053840mmmm not sure if I buy it. remember dr is his passion project, born out of the simple desire of putting whatever ending he dreamed of in a real game. seems very unlikely to me that he would throw it in an unrelated non-vidya project first
>>4053842>The game keeps hammering in 73>Skies Forever Blue has Kris and Noelle jump in the lake>Also the site for SFB and 7B are identicalThere's definitely some connection
>>4053833a character that gets nothing and does nothing?
>>4053846You already saved everyone's life in chapter 4.I feel like Chapter 6 is when Kris will start to have to respect you more, after all, everyone else is drifting away. We'll be the only friend left
>>4053847>You already saved everyone's life in chapter 4.No, the game made the soul do that on its own. By account of the fact that I can start chapter 5 with no prior save data, this only validates the notion that the game itself saved the gang, and I was ultimately unnecessary for that sequence. That wasn't "my" moment, that was the game pretending it was my moment."My" moment won't be until chapter 7, in which there will be no more chapters to skip.
>>4053847how about getting those stinking shelter codes
>>4053849That won't be necessary.I feel like Kris is going to get revealed as the traitor and be left all alone. Also something bad likely happens to Noelle.At that moment, Kris just decides "screw the deal" and opens the shelter herself for You and her to go raid it
>>4053851You're putting a little too much trust in this little shit
>>4053851>herhttps://youtu.be/Mi8za2kTJDs
>>4053851Stupid piece of shit video game, then. Then the last 5 years have been a complete waste of a time, and a long con. I don't like getting conned in my main source of entertainment.
>>4053854We don't complain about pronouns here
Oops! I dropped my dice on this board.It landed on a SIX. For WINGDING GASTER.
>>4053854FemKris... is real!!!
>>4053857https://youtu.be/lw5yg6BbQVU
>>4053839>Temmie will make another game of her after Deltarune >it will follow the same trends Deltarune had>thus the cycle of Hussification repeats
>>4053859and of course it's a woman
>>4053489>>4053500>>4053506The biggest reasons to hate Ralsei:1. Despite promising Susie he would be honest with her, he is still lying to her about the two most important things of all: that Kris is working for the Knight and that he stole (you)r soul.2. Despite repeatedly claiming he wants to change the Prophecy, he refuses to actually challenge fate in any way.He has the most meta awareness and the ability to break the game's rules and yet chooses to do nothing but whine about the ending.3. He is one of the very few people aware of (you), knows (you) have the power to SAVE and LOAD, wants to defy fate, knows Kris works for the Knight, AND YET decides to put all of his faith and loyalty into the backstabbing traitor holding (you) captive.This effectively makes him an accomplice to Kris and the Knight and makes him equally guilty of their crimes.
>>4053864Thankts, ChatJeetPT.
>>4053866Fuck off I was just being clear and concise.
>>4053864This is why I trust Ramb over that faggy goat Ralsei. He led us to the shadow mantle and showed us what the weird route/Side B timeline looks like through the mantle gameThat's more what Ralsei has done in any chapter
>>4053864>that Kris is working for the Knight and that he stole (you)r soulWait, he knows? When is it implied?
>>4053871During the bath scene in Chapter 5 if you choose to talk about Dark Fountains. Also he saw Kris slash Susie after the Knight fight.
>>4053872he's not talking about the slash, despite the autism the game has always insisted that the knight did that he's talking about making fountains, since it's pretty obvious when kris makes them considering both of them are about nostalgia and family issues
>>4053872That bath scene quote would sound completely natural coming from Yes Man's mouth from Fallout
>>4053489Ralsei is my favourite darkner but I'm fully expecting him to have a spamton moment where he finally grows some balls before the strings of fate cut him down because he dared to help his friends
>>4053879Isn't he prophecy depict him with fire? There is literally no excuse for him not to use it.
>>4053880He's likely only allowed to use fire on a specific enemy or person. for example: the angelAlso he seems to be somewhat aware of the weird route's potential even if you don't do it so you can't blame the guy for keepings his cards close to his chest.
>>4053880ralsei's fireshock is a fire themed copy of ice shock.given how much he knows he's probably scared shitless of you using it against any lightners that end up in the dark worlds.
>>4053880>There is literally no excuse for him not to use it.I think despite the capability of fate-breaking I think he's just super fucking scared of what could go wrong like he tells Flowery and gleams from the Weird Route
>>4053885What next, you gonna tell me that you shouldn't be using Frizz spells on Trolls because it might hurt their fee-fees? Fuck right off with that, this is still a video game.
>>4053890its not fate breaking if the prophecy depicts him using fire. USE IT.>>4053890Boo hoo, a dead computer virus that was literally created by a lightner to be as malicious as possible. I think I can get over it in a second.
>>4053879the final prophecy might be something with the prince killing the girl or something so that might be why susie goes that "specially YOU wouldn't let it happen" and why he hides his magic (and tries to go full pacifist to suppress his urges)
>>4053893>USE IT.Lit Up>I think I can get over it in a second.What
>>4053898I don't care about killing enemies like the viroviros or spamton and others. I want fire attacks in the rpg that showed that the character has them after 8 years.
>>4053800I think he's just picky.
How do you extract sprites from Deltarune? I need the Milklooker sprite, but it's not on the sprite sheet website.
>>4053915undertalemodtool
>>4053662don't worry guys it'll all make sense in the chapter 7 schizo dump trust the plan
>>4053669>Because Toby wanted her in the japan level but had no way to work her into the main story so he just made her secret boss and called it a dayliterally all toby had to do was make her some berdly tier antagonist whos trying to fit in with the other flowers and have an actually serious character for the schizo boss. boom problem solved
Do you hope we'll get to kill/shatter Gaster in 7B?
>>4053662The mew foreshadowing has been slept on>Existed in Undertale>Got a whole unique console port gimmick to her>Associated with Alphys who is Gaster's successor and continues his workPerhaps there is a bigger reason as to why Kris fucking hates Alphys with a passion...Also like that other anon said, Jevil is the odd one out funnily enoughI fully believe Mew existed in toby's 2012 draft, even if it probably only included mew herself and not maddie.
chapter 5 was such a let down that im genunienly only excited for how the weird route is going end. you've done it toby i no longer care for the journey since he obviously doesn't, i barely care about most of the characters when there personalities flip flop all over the place, i just want to make it to the end, let kris and noelle die together and LEAVE.
>>4053922if we ever get a gaster fight it should be him understanding that we simply want a good battle and a few answers.
>>4053926But I wanna kill him.
>>4053872>kris slash is real>the knight is genuinely so much of a faggot that her one intimidating moment was actualy KRIS'S doingKWAB
>>4053922>picrelnigga still OWES ME actual tv parodies
so where the hell are the vague parallels between susie and ralsei and dess and asriel going?
>>4053931Toby just loves Pseudo-incest man.He's Pseudo-incest man.
>>4053929>didn't make jevil go crazy>wasn't the voice behind spamton's phone>didn't goad kris into violence in the mantle game>isn't the tail of hell>didn't do anything to gerson or pink>bumped into a wall at mach speed like a fucking goober>basically anything interesting in the backstory is credited to either eram or gaster>nobody knows exactly what she wants or what she's even doing>might be an original characterman what a lame-o of a main antagonist. she's dangerously close to metal sonic levels of wasted cool looks. at least she hasn't lost a fight yet. for me the correct interpretation of the kris slash is that she was about lose her shit and kill off susie and ralsei for real, so kris intervened.
>>4053937he is only there to look cool and be distractingkris is the real threat
>>4053931toby thought the idea of kralsei and suselle having incestious (the two gayest ships) undertones was really fucking funny. what did you think this was setting up susie and ralsei fucking don't be ridiculous susie doesn't deserve that
>>4053937funny how toby's completely killed and suspense the knight or titans could've possibly had. pretty much the only real possible antagonists people have to talk about are the future horde of friends and fucking john shadow mantle what the fuck is toby doing
>>4053917Thank you. I present...Milkgoner
>>4053939But Kralsei isn't a gay ship.
>>4053439KINOOOOOOI love you anon
>>4053402Well yeah he grooms Ralsei what else could he be?
>>4053402he sets up the rulesincluding the age of consent
Your reaction if the 7B credits song is Over the Rainbow just like in OFF?
>>4053952To cringe
>>4053506Bro the whole fandom is meming that he's a woman now and you say that he become more of a man?
>>4053952Maroon 5's Pure Imagination used in HOME is more fitting.https://youtu.be/mglkv_g-Mxo
>>4053952It will be Toby rapping about how he is pregnant and the baby is you
>>4053944Wow
>>4053635That's what the Delta Rune masonic cult wants you to think. Why do you think Toriel knows of sin?
>>4053635No wonder the game only has bad endings
>>4053736How about we make CoLrune and make the bosses you idiots who keep insisting we need mysteryslop and shipping in our adventure game?
>>4053662>Why is she on the same power level as Jevil et al.? It's so random.What?
>>4053955Maroon 5? Why not Ed Sheeran while we're at it
>>4053961Unironically Undertale is the West at its best (Christian message) while Deltarune is the West at its worst (Postmodern bullshit)
>>4053970ironic considering how toby seems still be some flavor of rainbow Christianity and how the game surprisingly has a pro church message
>>4053636It's so weird Deltarune Gerson never uses "wah ha" even though that was his signature laugh in Undertale.
>>4053971As a catholic European I read into the church toby went to as a kid as I dont know much bout all these denominations, and holy shit it explains a lot, America treats christianity like its a book club
>>4053971Rainbow christianity is not Christianity obviously it's postmodern cultismDeltarune is not that pro church it just accepts the church as part of the setting, has Susie doing the "church bad" bit and then for the actual Delta Rune religion as described by Catty it's just a collection of Christian blasphemies
>>4053972he does use it if you buy something from him. quite a few of his shop lines are just ripped from UT
>>4053772>the game actually assumes you do this and it changes the prophecy they tell you when you know>>The angel, who has seen the surface, will return to empty the underground>it's kino manBut this isn't about (you) at all, it's about Chara/Asriel. River Person says to your face that the Angel is coming, not that you're it. I think some people like Undertale because of their headcanons and simply that.
>>4053854Tumblr is down the hall and to the left.
>>4053922That's the only way Sans can be surpassed.
>>4053952I hope there's no credits like in genocide.
>>4053854Kris is a man with a penis
>>4053922Nah because Gaster is meant to be Toby
>>4053977Who says the prophecy can't be about you as well? It already fits for Chara and Asriel, why not the player who's 1/3rd of the entities piloting Frisk.
>>4053973>>4053974look man by burger standards treating Christianity like a "book club" might as well make you gods strongest solider when the alternatives are McChristianity helmed by people who blatantly don't give a shit or literal LARPING. also where the hell was Catti (the chick obsessed with the occult) in the church themed occult chapter?
>>4053978but tumblr loves yuri?
>>4053937But Dess is Spamton's benefactor, which probably makes her Jevil's as well. Or the latter could be Kris I guess.
>>4053985Anon if you are Catholic European you cannot be criticizing American flavor of Protestantism I mean yeah most suck but some are okay, and in any case current day Catholic Church corruption is worse
How important is Mike if his true identity still hasn't been revealed? We know he was a real guy from what Battat and Tenna tell us but what did he know about Spamton's contract and benefactor?
>>4053820Box of nails.
>>4053990That wasnt meBut yeah the current pope is a piece of shit and humans are indeed corrupt but thats part of the deal so to speakI was just surprised at what americans call Christianity, but you do you
>>4053987Tumblr is the one who gets triggered over pronouns.
>>4053991Mike is the Kris of the previous cycle, much like how Tenna is Susie and Spamton is Noelle
>>4053984Because like I said in my post, River Person literally says to (you) that the Angel is coming, if you were the Angel you would already be there.
>>4053991Watch out for Toby's next game to know the answer, RUDE LANTERN
>>4053997Toby needs to make a Berdly spin-off
>>4053848Autism award
berdly being rejected over and over was supposed to be making fun of himInstead it just made him look great
>>4054001Is he wrong though? It can't be an oversight in the gigameta game that you can start any chapter without needing prior chapter completion
>>4053993>the current pope is a piece of shitHe has been in "power" for only like a year, what did he do?
>>4054006Basically every time he opens his mouth communist bullshit comes out, and thats the last Ill reply about this as that was enough off topic
>>4053993Yeah because the previous pope was so great right?
>>4053872>>4053872>Also he saw Kris slash Susie after the Knight fight....Kris slashed her from behind and then she was somehow pushed back? What? This makes no sense.
>>4053977I don't know the term for it but Toby's prophecies are more "roles" that need to be fulfilled over genuine predictionsThere can be multiple sources of the angel in the prophecy since every time one's events are different in ut
>>4054011>There are STILL brainlets unable to comprehend Kris slashThis is who are in these threads?Fuuuuuck nigga
>>4054014I don't think any theory from anons in the past 5 years has been correct in anything. I think some of you are just too dumb.
Kris Slash is why Kriselle Knight can’t happen >fuse with the strongest monster>get weaker
>>4053985>Cattihttps://youtube.com/shorts/pCJXRAJhZm4
>>4054016But Kris is a zombie cage of human parts anon
we need to merge /vrpg/ + /utg/
>>4054015We had theories come true but /v/ is just too creative so we overshoot :^)
>>4054020>/utg/EWWW FUCK NO
>>4054023>We had theories come truesuch as?
Is Hometown Massacre a /v/ theory or is it just a child of Roots theory.
Just to let you know, we're still gonna be discussing Kris Slash after chapter 6 releases because it will not give us any new information on this topic.
>>4054020this is pretty much a /utg/ thread tho
Why do trannytubers repeat this thumbnail + title ad nauseam
>>4054031Wheres the ERPing then
>>4054030What is there to discuss? Its canon and if you disagree you are a midwit
>>4054032remember, these people never played or consumed much media outside of DR, so they don't know what true "horror/psychological" content is. to them, this is worse than UT geno (which was a joke)
>>4054030but we just saw the Knight do a different instakill slash
>>4054012>There can be multiple sources of the angel in the prophecy since every time one's events are different in utYeah, Asriel is the one in pacifist and Chara is the one in genocide.
Knight!!! How could you!!! says RalseiRalsei knows the knight theory???
>>4054030>Chapter 3 event>Two entire chapters later>NothingThis isn't exactly how I saw deltarune going, reallyAt the end of chapter 3 I thought we were in for kino and HAPPENING and all I got was Jarona
>>4054035>these people never played or consumed much media outside of DR, so they don't know what true "horror/psychological" content is. to them, this is worse than UT geno (which was a jokewhy are you in a deltarune thread if you clearly hate it so much.
>>4054040It's crazy how Toby set up our expectations this high with the Knight to Chapter 3 only to let them down like a wet fartHe didn't even need to do this, he did this to himself
>>4054032>There are 229k retards out there that would actually watch 2 hours of ranting about heteronormative oppression
>>4054042people were calling the Knight the fraud since the start so it's whatever
For all of Deltarune's faults, I don't think there is a single video game that's better in the OST, intrigue and presentation for me. Gameplay is whatever, but every other game feels soulless.
>>4054045Weird you say that because gameplay is the only thing I enjoyed last chapter.Say what you want about UT battles being bootleg Touhou, I still had a lot of fun.
>>4054041never said I hated it but I am a bit peeved because of the direction tobias is taking things, and of course how people just glaze him up because it feels like those people can't think criticallyspecially after watching this video recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rfabOikJSs
>>4054029It definitely was discussed on /v/ first:https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/711711823/#711721294
>>4054047>Weird you say that because gameplay is the only thing I enjoyed last chapter.There are far better platformers tbqh. It's okay, but it's not what I'm here for.
>>4054048youtube slop videos are always like this, besides that faggot fox that sharteens love to regurgitate their opinions from.
>>4054050Yeah well I still don't understand why this game HAD to turn into le indie platformerI guess you gotta profit from having ten people in the team, but still
>>4054052>besides that faggot fox that sharteens love to regurgitate their opinions from.What was the sharty connection again, I know the thumbnail for that chapter 3&4 vid feels extremely soijak-esque
>>4054053>Yeah well I still don't understand why this game HAD to turn into le indie platformerBecause Toby wanted a platformer section in his game and he doesn't give a shit how long it will take to add it.
>>4054049I'm glad other anons came to that conclusion too when it first came out.
>>4054055>What was the sharty connection againSharteens shilled his videos and made threads about it to own "le deltatroons".
>>4054056Toby is basically a spoiled narcissistic manchild, this is the person the rest of the fandom looks up to
>>4054052Are you talking about the george floyd thumbnail guy
>>4054048is it worth watching? are you sharing it to mock it or to mock the comments?please tell me i don't want to waste 30 minutes of my life
>>4054060no, this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEBK3RGD3Ithe issue is that he's right in a lot of places but he says it in an insufferable way that i don't agree with him out of spite.
heres how berdly can still winhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsmDayPysX4
>>4054062in summary, it is just a guy glazing the fuck out of toby, and if you are angry that deltarune isn't meeting your expectations you are "entitled"
>>4054065>it is just a guy glazing the fuck out of toby, and if you are angry that deltarune isn't meeting your expectations you are "entitled"this is every "fandom" in recent years.
>>4054065oh yeah, so it isn't worth watchingthanks man, you saved me there
>>4054064instructions unclear, i just cummed to this troon's dragonsona instead
All of you are wrong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOMaDXOSzss
>>4054063This guy is proof of what I was saying earlier >>4053218More blatantly since its the most obvious /v/ contrarian reposting terrible takes from here, but hey if pissing off underage kids with bait is your passion good for youNot like you're getting (you)s in modern /v/
>>4054063It really is the repulsive as fuck wojak type of thumbnail that stops me from watching this
>>4054071these people are the embodiment of the Skinner meme I swear
is there any game i should play besides deltarune, nothing looks good as this.
>>4054076https://store.steampowered.com/app/459080/YIIK_A_Postmodern_RPG
>>4054078funny. i think if that running shine video didn't come out no one would even make memes about this game.
>>4054079WANNA SEE ME JERK OFF?
>>4054080alright, i'll rewatch the video...
Any thoughts on the Cheese Theory?
>>4054082No, I don't have any thoughts about it.
>>4054082No, I don't have any thoughts
>>4054082HOLY SHIThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer_cheese
>>4054082Notice how the "mouse" in chapter 4 power cut scene is the SOUL.How cucked can Kris be, he is even cucked by his own SOUL...
>>4052463>>4053255Update>KINDNESS 8>JUSTICE 7>DETERMINATION 4 >PERSEVERANCE 3>PATIENCE 3>INTEGRITY 1>BRAVERY 1Total:27Kind anons are still at the top. Where are all the brave and integrous souls?
>>4054052The fact that guy is an unironic yellowtard that hates Deltarune made me completely discard his opinion as trash.
>>4054083>>4054084Okay. Any thoughts on this poor dog?>>4054085Very interesting
>>4054082Too schizophrenic for me
>>4054092>Any thoughts on this poor dog?No.
>>4054071>"y-your just made that nothing happened"yes I AM MAD that nothing happened. this entire god forsaken game is built around pandering to theory and shippingtards and maybe that wouldn't be so much of a problem IF THERE WAS A REAL PLOT TO THE GAME
>>4054093>Too schizophrenicWhat's schizophrenic about it? It's just a bunch of parallels.
>>4053872>the knight's slash was a different color AGAIN>this is somehow proof of Kris slashDo you people never learn?
>>4054085>22% butterfat and 10% PROTEINNo fucking way
>>4054097Why is Ralsei also eating Noelle's pusspuss?
>>4054107We'll find out in Chapter 6.
>>4054097>>4054107I think Toby is just mocking Kris like that. It's as if he's saying that anyone can eat cheese except Kris.
>>4053392Rouxls is a parallel to Susie. If she doesn't see you with your partner in 5 chapters she takes your partner.Its also quite obvious how Rouxls intruding in Lanina and Elnino romance is a parallel to how Susie takes over their romance on both sides (both Kris and Susie hang out, making Noelle jealous, and Susie and Noelle have romantic moments together, making Kris jealous) and then forces both of them to go together in the festival as a throuple.It utmostly goes wrong and they get back together (or Mr. Optional Content makes the throuple work, Starwalker is a player stand-in, as in, a throuple would work if its the player, Kris and Noelle)
>>4054063the intro pic and Tenna's BDSM sex dungeon were the funniest parts
>>4053519>since Spamton is also accusing of Kris and Noelle fuckingAnd also implying Kris used to fuck Spamton
>>4054118Wrong quote, it was meant for >>4053519Adding to that, I think it isn't love because it doesn't make sense for Spamton to have a supply of LOVE that Kris had access to or something.The only thing that Spamton has a supply is Pipis. And after the Thorn Ring Kris can make his own Pipis in one of his ACTs.Pipis is just an egg, but what is an egg? Spamton calls the white egg another man's treasure, and its evidence for something. Are the Pipis evidence too?
>>4054063This guy is a retard.
The knight who makes love with blackened knife
>>4054063>opens with the claim that ch1 mocked beliefs Undertale itself pushedHow can anyone take this shit seriously? No, he is nowhere near right. His opinion is rooted entirely in seethe that Toby Fox does NOT consider Undertale "morally bizarre" and Deltarune was NOT an attempt to walk it back like he misunderstood it to be in ch1.
>>4054030i fully expect the "one reveal" in CH6 to not mean anything for all the other mysteries.i just want toby to tell us what the deal is with monster/human differences because all we've had since CH1 is a bunch of vague implications that go in different directions.
>They autosaged the /v/ thread
so apparently trump used deltarune music in a random tweet because of course he did and all i can say is. funnie
>>4054133will toby make an statement against it? even nintendo learned it is no use
>>4054133my brother, that is not how you are going to defeat Iran please share the post
>>4054125People agree with him out of contrarianism, or as you say, stupidity. Either way it's not surprising that he dislikes every other chapter if he had such a severe misunderstanding of Chapter 1 and hated Undertale.Either way there comes a point where you just have to admit your reading of the game is wrong, and I have no idea how he can dig his heels in so deeply about something so stupid.It reminds me of the GreedyKeeblerElf blog post from awhile back, even if there were individual, usually mechanical points I agreed with the author showed such disregard and misunderstanding of the actual story of the game it's hard to take seriously.Not to mention the annoying culture war thumbnails and baiting. People only use that shit if they're trying to get others to uncritically agree with them.
>>4054049What a nice time portalI wonder what the anons that thought Noelle didn't have any feelings for Kris think of the Flower King/Queen dialogue and her ride with Kris after
>>4054135>that is not how you are going to defeat IranDidn't he give iran a bunch of money and let them have their nuclear arms back even though he said they were gonna get wiped off the map?
>>4054138that was back in February, in the meantime Trump gained the Kindness soul
>>4054133I hate Trump but I also hate Toby so I'm glad he did that becuase Toby is probably seething about it.
Everyone hates this trio but its quite obvious they're stand-ins for the Azzy Kris Dess band and their dialog shows their relationship with Carol.Sweet is sweet (Asriel), the queen always gives him candy for being a good boy. Cap'n never gets any candy because he's a bad boy that always calls her hot mama (hochi mama, Kris parallels together with spamton) and is good with the ladies (flirts). And K_K is obviously Dess, since she even has a green boombox in her room.I haven't gone through all their dialog yet but its obvious they're talking about how Carol was oppressive and didn't let they play the songs they like, only stuff she likes (Dess was obviously rebellious), about how Carol got obsessed with the knight and dark fountains (the conspiracy corkboard). There's a part about how they got a request from a "real high class client" that "had a way with words" and they "couldn't even understand him", and got blueprints from him to follow. That's certainly related to Gaster in some way.Sorry if it sounds entirely as just some rambling because I haven't collected my thoughts about this yet, but I'm certain these shit characters are foreshadowing something and aren't simply some useless unfunny retards.
>>4054136this reply sums up why it’s hard to really see any of these videos as actually being made in good faith, because it ends up being some faggot acting like a 4chan poser. these games absolutely deserve to be criticized, but it feels rare to actually get some good critiques
>>4054139>Trump gained the Kindness soulWhat a horrible timeLook I get it but when you're gonna start a war, don't have the end result be you giving the enemy money and weapons
>>4054142Yeah. Nobody is allergic to criticism here. What we're allergic to is the fact that every time someone tries to go in depth with their criticism they always tip their hand and reveal themselves as a complete fucking hater whose complaints boil down to bitching about the fundamental and obvious premise of the work. Like Undertale "critiques" that go after the game for taking a negative tone on killing bosses. Why did you play The Friendly RPG Where No-One Has to Die if you think it's a moral imperative that the bosses DO die?
>>4054133It's not Trump unless I'm mistaken.Check dow_cto on instagram, then there's a post with an edited Trump with 'No games' written.The intern used fucking Susie's music.
>>4054146>uses the best track in the gameBased
>>4054063It's a huge disservice to genuine criticism of Deltarune when the most notable videos approaching it are contrarian bullshit like this and automatic disqualification like the george floyd thumbnail
>>4054141I think you're ready too deep into it because originally these three were a single music character, toby just made it 3 because he liked all the concept art that nerral made
>>4054141Nice theory. Stealing it for my next hit video, "How Sweet Cap'n Cakes solves Deltarune's BIGGEST SECRET".
>>4054150It could be a simple matter of "as above, so below"No explicit intended connection, just a matter of a "neutral" story element winding up reflecting another story element once it was subdivided the same way because it was written by the same person.
post some good porn im horny
>>4054063Unmistakable autistic monotone voice
>/v/ thread gets autosaged>still reaches bump limitVery nice.
"Raise your bat" refers to little boys getting their first erection by the way
>thread archived on Gerson after reaching bump limitKino...
>/v/ thread reached bump limit despite being auto-sagedDAMN!
>>4054133Sebastian said he was going to look into it btw.
>Over a month after release>Autosaged at 300 posts>Still the most active thread on the board and reaches bump limitLMAO!
>>4054158>Gerson Oldgraves Spamton and the thread
>>4054153Go to trash.
>>4054156>>4054158>>4054159deltarune website
>>4054162suppressing discussion only makes it explode later when they let it slip for a bit
>>4054162Is that not proof at how fucking dead /v/ is btwThat it took that long for the autosage to archive the threadWhat happened man...
>>4054164All I found was a weird jigsaw puppet trying to sell me something
>>4054167videogames are shit nowIm actually going to go and create stories of my own
>>4054160These are the people we gave 25$ tohttps://xcancel.com/MateriaMusic/status/2088365075229004140#mHypocritical shitters who pretend to hate conflict but who started a culture war of their own
>>4054167Mods chimping out at any game that gets too popular happenedExcept for games they like of course. Peak and Palworld.They use the "generals go on /vg/" rule as a crutch but they've warped the definition of what a general actually is. Palworld threads on /v/ actually ARE generals, they literally are general threads about the game. Deltarune threads usually at least have unique topics each time.
>>4054133super basednot because I care about politics but because it will make troons mald
>>4054158>>4054159>>4054162She won again too.
>>4054167You're preaching to the choir, here. We of all threads know that this site is damaged and the way the moderation is behaving reflects that.>But what HAPPENED?The internet is overrun.It's impossible to have a conversation in good faith unless you're in a completely enclosed system, and the majority of the enclosed systems are under the control of feds or people who deliberately make themselves another website's "undesirables".
>>4054167I called it that vg would kill v years ago
>>4054170Ignoring your culture war retardation, you do know legal stuff takes AGES to happen right?Lawyers aren't cheap nor are they fast.
>>4054168buy. Buy! BUY!!!
>>4054157hot
>>4054177Yes, this is why the mere fact that they care enough to look into actual legal action is them fueling the culture war
that /v/ thread was so goodso many ideas and actual discussionit was better than the threads here I hate to say it
>>4054173>I hate that purple cat
>>4054176You were rightI think it would have been fine if it existed exclusively for multiplayer games, but there is not a single valid reason for a singleplayer game to be sent to the vg dungeonsIts called /v/. Its for VIDYA GAEMS. You shouldn't be deleting threads about video gamesAnd now we all have left is twitter screenshots, approved generals that can stay on 24/7 and erp threads lol
>>4054170It's obvious Toby and his friends are leftist that would dislike Trump using his music.
>>4054181>I hate to say itdon't worry cause most of us would rather be on /v/ for one reason or another anyway. We're refugees after all
>>4054146Everyone on the comments saying it's a song from a lesbian furry transqueer game like Trump will delete it and issue a national apology over itGood lord normies are so fucking dumb and annoying
>>4054183What people miss about the original general ban rule is that generals, yes exactly as they exist on /vg/ right now with format OPs that link to the previous thread, were what they wanted off of /v/.It was never about banning threads because that game had threads too long.
>>4054167Sorry dood, you need to STOP talking about VIDEO GAMES right the fuck NOOOWWWWW!!!
>>4054180>not letting the government use your copyright is fueling the culture warso the culture war is slack-jawed bullies who get mad when you fight back and get mad when you don't fight back
>>4054186I wonder if toby wanted this for his gameThe way he writes makes me think he would want people to engage with the themes a bit moreBut he will never learn than adding gay shit to your game will simply make it the gayshit game to everyone and every other theme will be ignored and your efforts wasted
>>4054191>adding gay shit to your game will simply make it the gayshit game to everyone and every other theme will be ignoredNot to us...
>>4054192Yeah but to the larger publicAnd the troons will never get anything out of the kris soul relationship never see into what it means other than HE IS NON BINARY BCAUSE I SAY SOAny writer would be frustrated as fuckSo Toby is either retarded or he doesnt care
>>4054190But copyright is oppression anon. Content creators should be able to use Undertale music however they want.
>>4054189Snoot game is the most ergorious of these, imagine katawa shoujo getting booted on sight back in the dayIts so absurd that you have to laugh.
>>4054195government: not letting me use your music for war is oppressing me
>>4054196They want to kill the site
>>4054197Music is meant to be used and listened. What's wrong with that?
>>4054199this is some "so guys aren't allowed to have fun on a friday night huh" after smashing mailboxes shit you're doing to me
>>4054200It's your president. So he used the song to promote killing Islamic terrorists, big whoop. I hate Islamic terrorI hate terrorists.
>>4054191It's my new headcanon but:Toby doesn't believe in the themes he portrayed in Undertale.Toby irl is closer to Chara and he used the game to confess his sins.
>>4054200Using a song on a video is now... bad?
>>4054203Toby probably didn't portray the themes you think he did in Undertale
>>4054141>Everyone hates this trio but its quite obvious they're stand-ins for the Azzy Kris Dess bandWhy does every Deltaruner insist on every character being a stand-in for some other character? Can't characters just be themselves?
Chapter 7B battle theme will be Iceshock
I just hope we will witness this again https://youtu.be/hJv0clKGaR0
if it was kamala using deltarune music materia would say nothing
>>4054207Undertale was accidentally Christian. I think it's the game of a Masonic Occult confessing his sins.
>>4054191This is why I'm having trouble taking Ralsei seriously. He is such a blatant gaybait character. You'd think his relationship with Kris would be like two brothers since he obviously meant to be like Asriel, but nope, his interactions and moments comes off as really gay. It's like Toby is incapable of going a chapter without reminding us that Ralsei is the designated femboy character >>4054194They also don't see how Noelle and Susie's attraction are based on their masks, unlike Kris and Noelle who are based on their true selves >So Toby is either retarded or he doesnt careBoth can be trueHe thinks fans are going to get something thematically from the stuff he puts, but he doesn't seem to care that putting all the gay stuff undermines the game
>>4054211Kamala got a whole game dedicated to her and Materia was nowhere to be seenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waF3z9gvkOo
>>4054212Any masonic symbolism present is purely accidental. Toby is as much of a hylic as it gets
>>4054212Explain how.
>>4054214>They also don't see how Noelle and Susie's attraction are based on their masks, unlike Kris and Noelle who are based on their true selvesThese days I wonder if even Toby knows this, or if he just stumbled upon it on accident
>>4054215idk if this is it but i remember playing some trump rpg maker shitpost that someone posted on /v/ not too long ago
>>4054215>Check Materia>"As an LGBTQ+ owned and operated company, we know how important it is to show visibility and support to our community. Be proud, be loud. Be you."Dude shut up the fuck you're hosting fucking music. We're in 2026, you can write a song about furry or vore as long as people like it no one's going to hunt you down.
>>4054216>>4054218Just basing myself off of Kris being his autobiographic self-insert and he was mentioned invoking the occult with Catti
>>4054222>Kris being his autobiographic self-insertWhy did he make himself a cuckold in his own game?
>>4054223>He doesn't knowDid you not hear about him being cucked by lesbians?
>>4054223NTA but didn't Toby said his first GF turned out to be a lesbo and she went other girl?Toby is enacting his past onto the players
>>4054223susie was based on his high school bully
>>4054223as therapy
>>4053709You're missing the point. By trying to change the so called prophecy, you might end up with an even worse result. These are all just hints, along with tons of other dialogue in the game, that baits you into exploring and taking the Weird Route, collecting all the eggs, aborting the route, etc. They're all baits because we don't know the full ending yet. I'm pretty sure that once the full ending is revealed, those easter eggs and the Weird Route itself will make a bit more sense regarding why you'd try to change it. Ultimately, though, you'll always get the same ending, just with a worse outcome in cases like the Weird Route.
>>4054189>game literal made on /v/ had its threads nuked for “not being /v/ culture”God somethings I forget how much the jannys hate that board
>>4054224wasn't that the She-Ra remake lady
>>4054162People would rather bitch about Toby’s vagueposting than engage in whatever slop threads the jannys pushing and I think that beautiful
>>4054222"Occult" as in the standard normalfag meaning, edgy teens trying to summon demons and stuff
>>4053709>>4054228what I don't see anyone bring up is how the weird could have a better ending than regular route, or at least be necessary to reach the best outcome. sure ralsei says "it could be worse!!" but he doesn't know, since that falls outside the prophecy, he is scared of what he doesn't know, and would be a nice subversion from tobias master of subversion by making the supposed "evil route" have or lead to a better outcome
>>4054229silly anon, /v/ doesn't have culture. not anymore
>>4054225>your magnum opus is a reenactment of how you were rejected by a girl that started dating your bullyWhat level of cuckoldry and self degradation is this?
>>4054167Shockingly “intentionally making your board shit” is a pretty good away to kill most traffic>>4054176Don’t forget the 50 other niche video game boards. Why the fuck do we need a multiplayer board, or an rpg board, or a fucking retro board beyond giving the jannies an excuse to let /v/ devolve into off topic shitflinging. Jesus how long until they make an indie board to banish any game that isn’t AAA slop?
>>4054203People already say Kris is his self-insert and Kris is Chara so...
>>4054225i never saw anything like that?
>>4054233Well, there's creepy music attached to it and an overall creepy vibe. The fact that you're basically manipulating and corrupting a shy girl... gee, I wonder why everyone thinks it might lead to a worse outcome. The game itself doesn't hide the fact that it's a bad idea, surrounding the entire route with an unsettling atmosphere.Pointing back to the original post, Ralsei's reaction is another hint that even if the prophecy is fulfilled, it will still come with tragedy. There's no winning no matter what you do.
>>4054228The only one who talks about weird being worse is Ralsei. Considering Ralsei is speculated to be the final boss of WR, that'd make sense.But don't take the lying faggot at his word.
What is the Pure Crystal going to be used for?Eram implies that Kris is collecting the crystals in order to do something, but what could that something be?
>>4054191Ironically this shithole is probably the only site that earnestly engages with this game. Outside here it just people jerking off about “KRIS IS NON-BINARY” or going on about how it’s homophobic to dare criticize suselle (despite krusie and kriselle supposedly being yuri) it makes the old undertale fanbase look like a bastion of intellectual discourse
>>4054214>It's like Toby is incapable of going a chapter without reminding us that Ralsei is the designated femboy characterIt’s even funnier now that people are unironically arguing that ralsei is going to troon out. God the faggot pandering is going to backfire horribly if ralsei ends up a girl
>>4054247eram taunts kris by saying "do you think they will give you what you want?" which could mean they don't actually lead to a better outcome and is a long shot try
>>4054248i still see a lot of earnest engagement outside of here but the nonbinary worshipping is really getting out of hand
>>4054248The modern fanbase deems sans x frisk problematic when it was the most popular thing to them 10 years ago
>>4054245It's obvious that Ralsei knows everything and is upset because "'saving the world" will require a sacrifice he doesn't want to see through to the end. That's the whole point.It's also obvious that Kris knows stuff as well, otherwise, he wouldn't try to stop you, the player, from attempting to corrupt Noelle and the like.
>>4054219>hammer game is meant to symbolize one’s connection to their partner>kris and Noelle are in sync no matter what>susie is completely out of sync with Noelle and just brute forces the result she wantsThere is no way Toby is so dense that he didn’t realize the implications
>>4054255To be fair most of the fanbase actively hated frans back then it’s just that tumblr is tumblr and so moralizing about frans or fontcest did shit
>>4054231The game is interesting to talk about. It can skew a bit too hard into talking about Toby himself but usually it's in reference to the game
>>4054259>There is no way Toby is so dense that he didn’t realize the implicationsone word: deflowering
>>4054259people are already twisting the meaning of that to say susie will make it work no matter what (which ironically tramples over noelle's desires)
>>4054255Frans was popular among casuals, the side that hated it always hated it, but as the years passed the fangirls moved on while the moralfags became the vocal part of the fandom.
