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>>4056424nice, seems you finally figured how to draw wiki's face
>>4056695Posting here in case anyone missed my post in the last thread regarding the finished requests I did.Here's the completed requests for your viewing.Valravn, aka Zenith Martlet who ended up in the pacifist timeline, and met pacifist Clover from an anon's fic.I'm not quite sure if the anon who came up with Valravn was the one who made the requests or another anon.The requests were a bit vague, so I just compiled them all, and drew something that included some of the ideas in some fashion.So here she is wearing tight appealing beach wear.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/f35g21.pngNude alt with Valravn's breasts out can be seen here:https://files.catbox.moe/0r95ve.pngBedo from Undertale Naranja about to engage in some explicit physical activity with the viewer.This is my first time ever drawing Bedo, and I enjoyed my time drawing her.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/p0k79d.pngPregnant Wiki.I got a fair amount of requests asking for this.It was nice to draw her again, and experiment a bit when drawing the image.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/ccpuey.pngI'm still working on more requests from the list I got, but feel free to send any ideas in mind my way!
>>4056718(reposting since thread died)Hello, good to see you again!Do you think it'd be possible to see you attempt an aged up version of Orange, like what you did with Kanako?Or, if you're only focusing on fangame characters, I would love to see you do Momroba with kitsune Clover. SFW family stuff, just to be clear.
>>4056712too much 2hu
>>4056718Mamadillo unbirthing Clover
>>4056733>Do you think it'd be possible to see you attempt an aged up version of Orange,Nta, but what if Orange is a grown woman, and is just really short?
>>4056718Chinese Kanako unbirthing the purple human
>>4056733>>4056742fun fact, the flowers are canonically older than deltarune asriel, and he goes to college, meaning that, yes, Orange is canonically an adult, and so is every other flower for that matter
>>4056718Martlet, Ceroba and Chujin threesome
>>4056712Irony poisoned
>>4056748how so?
>>4056749It doesn't take itself seriously, the whole 2hu thing is a massive shitpost.
>>4056718Bedo sitting on Anon's face
>>4056718Hello Drawanon, thanks for drawing Valravn on behest of other anon's requests! One small thing about this is that she only has one streak in her hair and she usually has monstrous hands (took heavy inspiration from Sig in that regard). If you wanna see what I mean, check this latest pic I drew of her https://files.catbox.moe/tw6ltd.pngBut either way drawnon, thank you so much for taking your time to draw her! I appreciate it!
Bird Val stripping: https://files.catbox.moe/w5p3la.png
>>4056718Kanako (Forma de Hyperdeath)
Thoughts on Swapfell I Hate You?
There is thr ed>>4056786I was assuming it was just skelton wank from the name since 90 percent of everything is made of bones apparently, but I guess it's not?
>>4056789It's not skeletonwank, don't worry. It already has a demo out.
>>4056718Do you think you can draw an image that has bird Val and bird Clover interacting in some way.If not that, how about Martlet being motherly towards bird Clover. It would also be interesting to see you draw Zenith Martlet being motherly to Zenith bird Clover.
>>4056790I'll take a peek next time I have time off/free time then. Looks very OFF inspired.
>>4056718Noticed a spelling error in the nude alt with Valravn's (Zenith Martlet) breasts, so fixed it. Also made it so that there's only one yellow streak in her to.You can view clothed version here:https://files.catbox.moe/x5b920.pngYou can view the nude alt here:https://files.catbox.moe/uoqop4.png>>4056758Oh I'm aware of the big wing arms, and the Sig inspiration.The hands and arms are drawn the way they are in this image, as it's something of a stylistic choice. It's just how I like to draw them, though on occasion I may draw them differently like I've done in some past images.
>>4056839>>4056758And you're welcome! I had a lot of fun drawing her!
>>4056839>Oh I'm aware of the big wing arms, and the Sig inspiration.Oh okay! Still thank you for taking your time to draw her, I appreciate it!
>>4056718Nude DRY Martlet waking up from her sleep.
>>4056777He should have abs
>>4056718Could you draw something like a megaman stage select screen with Clover in the middle, and to his left and right are icons of Martlet and Ceroba, and he has to choose which one he wants to be his mum.
oh hey, they autosaged your /v/ thread, what a shame
>>4057030there was a /v/ thread?
>>4057032The bunny one, yeah
>>4057034that explains why this thread was so dead, I thought for a moment that the fangame drought was THIS dire
>>4057032A shame the thread got autosaged, at least we got some new art and the conversations around equipment and "Undertale Zero" were interesting>>>/v/745501223
>>4057044>Undertale Zerocan you give a summary? I don't want to sift through 300+ posts for it
>>4057047It starts with these posts>>>>/v/745513104>>>>/v/745514585Basically the idea is that of a fangame in which you play as a human that enters the Underground not too long after the barrier is built, the protag is looking for his gf that got sealed with the rest of the monsters, all of this while he's being hunted down by a human that has a boss monster soul and can freely enter and exit the Underground
>>4056718Could you do the Naoya JJK meme where Zenith bird Clover is punching Bird Val?
>>4056718This version of Martlet unbirthing Clover.
>>4056718Nude Kanako Reborn would be nice to see in your style.
>>4056893He's not strong enough to have them.
>>4056743Who the heck is Chinese Kanako?
>>4057044At the very least the thread didn't get nuked out of orbit.
>>4057076mei from UT futility (formerly reflection), she was a red panda girl and main companion for the protaglike everything in that game, she went through 7 or so redesigns
>>4057084it was actually 7, I thought I was exaggerating but it was actually rightdesign doc fucking never
>>4056718I'm happy to see you draw more bird Clover in some solo or duo stuff.It can be his normal or Zenith self, I don't mind which you decide to draw.
>>4057084>>4057086She's spent more time being redesigned that actually being in a game.I'm just waiting for the inevitable next redesign.
>>4057086both peaked on the 3rd and 4th designs
>>4057090the Winter 2014 grindset
>>4057087Wait so is the normal bird Clover, and Zenith bird Clover two entirely separate characters, and not one in the same?
>>4057073Monster Val is the strongest, his power is maximumer
>>4057086>>4057091Hope's two last designs are pretty cute, but they are too detailed for UTI like Mei's final design too, but her fourth design is her cutest, no idea what the guy was thinking when he made her bald in the fifth design
>>4057095Pretty much. This image pretty much explains it.https://files.catbox.moe/huummz.pngSo you have the normal bird Clover, that's the brown coloured one. This is pacifist Clover reborn as a bird monster within Martlet, so he doesn't have to kill himself. Which still to this day was stupid writing.So all in all, everything that makes Pacifist Clover who he is, but in bird form. Then you have Zenith bird Clover, which is the blue coloured one with yellow eyes. This is Geno Clover, who was beaten by Zenith Martlet, and reborn as bird monster within her, so she can help him live a violet free life and turn things around despite what he did.Naturally he looks drastically different, because Zartlet's body isn't the same as her normal body pre transformation because of all the determination within it.That's also why his soul looks different than pacifist bird Clover.
Ponder this bug. What do you think is the cause of her suspicious behavior? For my money, I think if she is working for the Outlaw, it's under duress.
>>4057105She's plotting to have sex with Cole one on one, then have a threesome with Kanako and Cole the next day.
>>4057105she is being mind controlled by a month or a spider
>>4057111I meant moth, fucking spell check
site is about to go under maintenance, will they finally purge all UT/DR threads?
>>4057064I actually want to see this, I support this idea because it will look funny.
>>4056718DRY Cole knocking up Sadie.
We live>>4057035There is no drought.
>>4056718Something similar to this image drawn by another drawanon.Where Zenith Martlet is standing over Clover before she unbirths him.https://files.catbox.moe/qdk6px.jpg
>>4057110Hot>>4057111Lame
>>4055138wonder if this would be cultural appropriation in a world full of furry and furry-adjacent people
>>4056718Ceroba breast envy as Zartlet talks about how her enlarged breasts are a bit much.
>>4057111>>4057117>the original threadcanon name was JUNEbug before the artist posted the image with sadie in the filename
>>4057165So its not Sadie (surname: Junebug)?
>>4057171sadie junebug was after the "official" name got revealed.
>>4057171June/Junebug was the fan name before we got official confirmation it was Sadie, same with Gizmo/Byte, though he never got a real name which is why you see people on reddit calling him Byte while here we call him Gizmo (but DRY "canonized" it as "Felix 'Gizmo' Bytes" since Felix was also a name thrown around for him)
>>4057152it would be like blackface
>>4056746How would Cole or Kanako react to Martlet having threesomes with Chujin and Ceroba? Would Cole feel betrayed?
>>4057105Red herring
>>4057165>>4057171>>4057175She's come a long way, hasn't she. Our Junebug.
>>4057105>suspicious behavior She wants to make a surprise party for Cole and she keeps it secret to him so it would remain a surprise
>>4057272Gaster...
>>4057141it took me hours to realize that was decibat
>>4056786Just finished the pacifist and genocide routes, it was a weird game, I liked the MS Paint aesthetic it had going on, the fights were good, although I wasn't a fan of how technically every enemy had the same act, and the plot was as strange as OFF's but in this one I understood it even less, at least The Batter had more or less a clear goal from the start.So far this has to be the most unique fangame in terms of setting, I don't even know what "SwapFell" is supposed to be as an AU.Still a solid fangame, I have no idea what the next chapters could be about.
>>4057261what's this?
>>4057319That's SwapFell Asgore, he always has a shadow over his face for some reason
>>4057319Swapfell I Hate You Asgore. He speaks in Old English and he apparently managed to defeat humanity since they're the one trapped behind the barrier in this AU.
>>4057104I'm surprised that no one's brought up the fact, that Zenith Martlet would have essentially given birth to a monster that would undoubtedly end becoming one of, or the most powerful monster in the underground.I find it kind of funny and somehow in character for Martlet to do something with good intentions intentionally, but end up also causing something else to happen unintentionally.Heck, considering the circumstances of how he was reborn, wouldn't Zenith bird Clover be able to cross the barrier at will?
Polished it up some.https://files.catbox.moe/axqsx6.pngDo with it as you will.
>>4057363chicken cockey!
>>4057361>Heck, considering the circumstances of how he was reborn, wouldn't Zenith bird Clover be able to cross the barrier at will?Well his soul looks like what a boss monster soul looks like after it's fused with a human soul, so I would assume he can.
>>4057361>I'm surprised that no one's brought up the fact, that Zenith Martlet would have essentially given birth to a monster that would undoubtedly end becoming one of, or the most powerful monster in the undergroundIts been brought up, god knows you wont let us forget.>wouldn't Zenith bird Clover be able to cross the barrier at will?As strong as zartlet is, shes not actually a boss monster, so probably not.>>4057363Naranja characters must be your muse with how quickly they allow your ink to work.
>>4057361Zenith Martlet had Clover be reborn into a monster so she could help him live a better life, not consumed by violence.If you think about it, a redeemed Geno Clover, that's now a powerful monster would be great for those he forms bonds with, since he would stand against threats towards them.
>>4057393>Its been brought up, god knows you wont let us forget.They're either spamming intentionally, or they're just genuinely that obsessed with this dead horse.Ignore them, or report them, but don't give them the time of day.
>>4057398Ah you're right. A moment of weakness on my part.
>>4057393>As strong as zartlet is, shes not actually a boss monster, so probably not.Zartlet is stronger than a boss monster, that much is for certain, and Clover is a human turned monster that would have inherited what she has, with an altered human soul.So while Zartlet couldn't cross the barrier, there is a possibility that Clover could.
>>4057398You and I both know reporting doesn't do shit, and will just have the opposite effect. Just focus on Val cock.
>>4057402The best solution is always the simple solution. Just paying it no mind.
>>4057405>Just focus on Val cock.Quetzali...
>>4057405>Just focus on Val cock.Riley...
>>4057361>I find it kind of funny and somehow in character for Martlet to do something with good intentions intentionally, but end up also causing something else to happen unintentionally.Except in Neutral where she makes the right logical choices to get the desired end result she wanted, only to get fucked over by Flowey killing her.
>>4057405>Just focus on Val cockZartlet...
>>4057423Zartlet being fucked by Bird Clover and Bird Val!
>>4057428You ever shut the fuck up?
>>4057361Human soul + monster body + determination creates a very powerful monster. I'd imagine that's a given.
>>4057430You're replying to a different anon, that's not me or whoever you think you're replying to.
>>4057434If you thought that was directed at you, it was.
>>4056712It's the best fangame by a long shot but It would have been a masterpiece if somehow, despite all the shitposting, it ended on a serious emotional note. and it could have because I was beginning to care about the main cast by the end (I think I got the true ending but I didn't do the ignormamous route because holy shit it's hard)
>>4057430Don't let it get to you anon, just keep it in.
>>4056718Could you draw bird Val cock? It would be cool to see it in your style.
>>4057363I'm not sure what to say other than good work, he's one smug chicken, or "cocky cock" as people call him
>>4057444Now isn't that just rude.
>>4057428Why would you request the drawanon to draw something like this?
>>4057452maybe he just likes bird Val's cock that much and seeing it in one style isn't enough
>>4057452What's rude about wanted to see another artist draw it? I complemented the first Val cock drawing as well.
I wanted to thank naranja anon (i think) again on his advice on writers block a while back since the thread got jannied and all of that. I know that I want to write this, but good lord my brain is fighting me. I barely got 200 words written last night, but If I hadnt closed my eyes, I dont think I could have even done that. I started the new page thing too but Im not so sure that did anything for my brain.I think that I just let this take so long that my mind is telling me nothing I write is "good enough" to justify how long that its been. I will power through this autism and become a better writer for it. Also the anon that said perfect is the enemy of good, Im going to keep those words in mind.
>>4056718I'm just going to say I respect the fact you try to cater to as many requesters as possible, while also dealing with the tidal wave that comes your way.I'm sorry you have to deal with this each time you take requests, you have my condolences.
>>4057469Most of these are troll requests though
>>4057403I find it strange that people have trouble believing Zenith Martlet is stronger than a boss monster, when Undyne the Undying is also stronger than a boss monster.Determination really does give a monster that much of a power boost if they can utilize it.
>>4057440Ignoring people shitting on the floor doesn't make the floor any cleaner.
>>4057455I didn't request him to draw it. When someone says about zartlet focusing on val's cock the conclusions come by themselves
>>4057487They want your attention, otherwise there would be no point in shitting on the floor
>>4057462Requesting somethinf that was just fulfilled comes across as "it wasnt good enough give me more".Im not either artist but I also thought "woah rude" when I saw that. It is polite to vary your next request if you do want something similar, or space it out. This of course doesnt apply to commissions since, if youre paying the artist they generally just shove away those feelings momentarily (and rant in private instead).
>>4057471That's why it must really suck, cause it gets to a point where posts that can be legitimate requests, can also be mistaken as troll requests, and he tries to not exclude people so they don't feel left out.
>>4057495nta I don't speak for everyone, but personally I'm happy if more art of something is drawn when I know it's likely to never get drawn outside of here.And I don't think any artists should be afraid to draw similar stuff just because another artist drew it first.
>>4057483There are people out there that believe Ceroba didn't do anything wrong, when evidence says otherwise. So I'm not surprised.
>>4057420Martlet honestly should have become Zenith right then and there. Clover wouldn't have been able to do anything, and she didn't even need to kill him, to accomplish what she wanted.It would have made her job a whole lot easier.
>>4057508That doesn't really address what I said.>And I don't think any artists should be afraid to draw similar stuff just because another artist drew it firstI agree, but its still impolite to request the exact same thing right after someone delivers something. No one is forcing you to be polite of course, and not every artist is going to be bothered by the same things, but its gonna come across that way to a lot of people. Also im not the person who originally said rude. Do what thou wilt I guess
>>4057508>And I don't think any artists should be afraid to draw similar stuff just because another artist drew it first.As that anon who drew that image, the reason I personally don't like making things too similar to other artists is to avoid any kind of comparisons being made, because seeing my own work get diminished sucks.Hell, I caught some of that just for having drawn Wiki before, my own images of her on esix started getting more downvotes after the unbirthing drawanon's images of her were uploaded, and of course there was that whole "first person to draw her right" crap from that one asshole a while back.My work's always been extremely unpopular, and getting trounced so often isn't fun.
>>4057280>Sadie's parents finally get back from their business trip>Its just Gaster in a 50s business suit and NORMAL_NPC in a wig
>>4057538>oh, my REAL full name?>sadie gaster normalbug
>>4057524This may sound harsh, and I don't want it to come across that way, but art is always going to compared to other art, it's just going to happen regardless.If someone has drawn something better than another artist, it gets compared. Some comments are well meaning, others dickish, doesn't mean the art is bad, unless it genuinely is badly drawn.Everyone starts from somewhere, they all sucked when they first started out. The best thing to do is simply try to work on the things that you feel needs to be improved, and go from there.While I understand that you don't want to draw something similar to another artist so it's not compared to what you've drawn, if an artist wants to, they're free to do so.It doesn't make them wrong, and creativity shouldn't be limited because someone else will be self conscious about how their work compares to theirs.
>>4057538Honestly of all the things in ch5. I do get a kick out of the normalNPC skinwalker shit
>>4057549>This may sound harsh, and I don't want it to come across that way, but art is always going to compared to other art, it's just going to happen regardlessThere are healthy ways to do it and unhealthy. The way those two anons art has been used against eachother in this thread is not healthy, and its reasonable for him to be bothered by it.>if an artist wants to, they're free to do so.Thats on the artist, but its still rude to make requests directly on top of someone like that.>It doesn't make them wrong, and creativity shouldn't be limited because someone else will be self conscious about how their work compares to theirs.Creativity shouldn't be limited, but at the same time ettiquite is an important part of any community, and fosters the atmosphere that others interact with eachother under.In other words, something doesnt stop being rude just because its allowed.
>>4057549>If someone has drawn something better than another artist, it gets compared.I know, but if we're talking about two drawings of the same completely unknown character, that much of a gap just feels bad. Like yeah, I get it, he's the better artist far and away, but is my own work so fucking awful that I struggle to get even a dozen or so upvotes or favorites while he gets hundreds, while drawing the same character that no one knows about?Because I don't see any other real explanations here.Hell, even my first drawing of Bedo, which was *the* first nsfw drawing of her, only got two damned replies at the time, even though people asked for that drawing too.>if an artist wants to, they're free to do so.Of course he is, he can draw what he wants, I just thought it was kinda rude of that one other anon to request something so quickly like that.
>>4057483I don't know if Undyne was stronger than Asgore, but she was certainly trying harder than he was.
>>4056695Momrobahttps://files.catbox.moe/n0efj5.png
>>4057551I read him as more of a serial killer than skinwalker.
>>4057558>>4057549Ill also add that in a creative community such as ours, we go out of our way to avoid judging whether something someone is doing is good or worthwhile based on someone elses work, because WITHIN a creative community. Thats just a destructive mindset, so it goes double that the people encouraging that (intentionally, not just incidentally) are making a mistep.When an anon writes his first green or story, we avoid saying "xanon did it better than you" but rather "this is what YOU did well and what YOU can improve on".Comparison is the death of creativity as it leads to people chasing endlessly something that they are told to be instead of focusing on improving for their own sake.
>>4057565Don't open that.
>>4057563Undying the Undyne was definitely stronger than Asgore. When she was in that form she straight up surpassed him.
>>4057568The "NormalNPCmartlet" feels like a skinwalker serial killer combined
>>4057571I don't think we can really prove that. Sure her fight was harder, but Asgore's stats are higher, and he's also suicidally depressed.
>>4057565DON'T OPEN THISThis is one of the few catbox roulette that I find too disgusting to describe
>>4057570I will just have faith in your words anon
>>4057565Huh, who's the artist for this? Artstyle seems familiar.
>>4057573>I don't think we can really prove that. Sure her fight was harder, but Asgore's stats are higher, and he's also suicidally depressed.Actually, Asgore has 80 DEF and ATK while Undying has 99 in both stats, I still like to believe that a serious Asgore has higher stats and a moveset on the level of Sans, all those years of living must be worth something
>>4057576uhhh, the post image or the thing in the catbox?
>>4057577>all those years of living must be worth somethingHe makes a mean cup of tea, gives hugs like no other, and could lift a car off ofnyou in the case of a serious highway accident.He also gives great advice despite running his own life into the ground
>>4057579the catbox image
>>4057581I have no idea and I really don't want to look at that thing again just to figure out who the artist could be
>>4057559>I get it, he's the better artist far and away, but is my own work so fucking awful that I struggle to get even a dozen or so upvotes or favorites while he gets hundreds, while drawing the same character that no one knows about?>Because I don't see any other real explanations here.I will say this, art style can play a very big role in ones appeal when looking at an image. If someone has an appealing art style, and can draw well, then even if they draw an unknown character like you have, it will still be well received and get attention.That's just how it goes sometimes.Sig and the Martlet drawanon have very distinct art styles, but they also have their appeal, which is why you can almost guarantee whenever they draw a character, even if it's the same one, and it looks different from one another, both images are still going to get a lot of attention.
>>4057590So, my work just sucks.Fine, whatever, I don't care anymore.
>>4057590>I will say this, art style can play a very big role in ones appeal when looking at an image. >If someone has an appealing art style, and can draw well, then even if they draw an unknown character like you have, it will still be well received and get attention. Not particularly helpful. Just comes across as using this opportunity to plug while doing the one thing anon has expressed not wanting you to do right now."Hey man I really dont enjoy the comparisons and negative attention those are bringing me""Ok but have you tried looking at the comparisons even harder?"You're letting your autism slip out from under you.
>>4057577Sans isn't actually powerful, but what makes him so dangerous is that he literally knows how to play the game.He dodges attacks, he ignores invincible frames, and uses karma which allows him to use your own sins against you making his 1 damage more effective.He plays every trick in the book when he fights you, in a way that no other monster in the underground does.
>>4057590I don't know if it was your intention but your comparison does sound unnecessarily rude, its not like the other anon doesn't have works with over a hundred likes on esix and twitter
>>4057599I think that anon is saying "appealing" in the sense of popularity, not quality. Like, if you make something and the style isn't in vogue, it won't get as much attention as something that is, when everything else is held equal. Doesn't diminish the quality, but the popularity is another story.
>>4057594Nta there's another drawanon here that was using Sigs art as inspiration when drawing their Valravn image, why don't you do the same? It might help.
>>4057602That's why I said "moveset" and not "strength", most monsters have piss easy bullet patterns, Sans's attacks require either quick reflexes or muscle memory in order to avoid.
>>4057605It doesnt matter if thats what he's saying, its the exact wrong thing to bring up right now and it came coupled with comparitave statements.Genuinely letting the autism blind ourselves to the effect and impact of our words to an unreal extent right now rivaling twitter.>>4057594And you, stop letting someone shove you into the doom spiral when your art is enjoyable and growing in engagement. Especially when its clear that there are people lurking the threads trying to bring creators down. You're all better than this rubbish
>>4057609Every monster in the Underground has there own unique moveset, and if I'm being honest even a serious Asgore wouldn't be pulling of the bullshit that Sans was doing.
>>4057606Ok now your doing it on purpose, holy shit.>ntaId like to think most anons here have more presence of mind than that
>>4057594You could always try experimenting with different styles if you aren't happy with how popular your current drawings are. I don't think your art is bad, but if what you want is popularity, then you need to consider what other people may want, rather than purely what you like.Of course, this isn't to say that you can't draw what you want. If you want to draw exclusively what you want exclusively considering your own wants, then that's fine. But I would advise you don't pay so much attention to views and likes if you intend to do that.
>>4057594That's not what I'm saying. Look at the end of the day, draw cause you enjoy doing it.It's unavoidable that it will get compared to other stuff, but that doesn't mean nobody likes your stuff.
>>4057615Doing what exactly?
>>4057614>Every monster in the Underground has there own unique movesetYes and most of them are too basic, some monsters have soul modes but even the soul modes don't do much in increasing the difficulty of the fight.>and if I'm being honest even a serious Asgore wouldn't be pulling of the bullshit that Sans was doing.He wouldn't be pulling most of the meta stuff Sans does, but I can see him being like genocide Ceroba and just having a lot of bullshit moves, like the one that turns the walls of the bullet board into a hitbox, also I can see him doing attacks during your turn like how Sans does it, since Asgore breaks your MERCY button at the start of the fight, he clearly has some extra knowledge about the battle system.
>>4057594Anon, you've been told multiple times how much you improved ever since you started posting here, don't let this bring you down, people here enjoy your art, at least I do.
>>4057576>>4057584Securityguaryhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/users/2723268
>>4056718How about DRY Martlet giving Cole sex education so he knows what he's getting himself into.
>>4057611>And you, stop letting someone shove you into the doom spiral when your art is enjoyableI'm not convinced of that, especially when my work so frequently gets only a handful of responses here, and barely any attention on esix.I even remember that "whilk" image I did getting barely any replies at all, and people were supposedly looking forward to that one.It's hard not to feel like I'm just being egged on, but that no one actually gives a damn about what I do.>growing in engagement.And this is just blatantly incorrect. Most of my recent works have barely managed to get anything at all, on esix, twitter, and sometimes even here. Sure, there was that Ceroba drawing on twitter a few days back, but that was an anomaly, nothing else I've ever done has gotten that kind of attention before, and even the esix uploads of that one are still sitting around just 20 likes.It's all still just sitting where it was.
>>4057514>There are people out there that believe Ceroba didn't do anything wrongSeriously?
>>4057617I want to make people happy, and I want others to enjoy my work, and my "developments" have been made for the sake of that goal, but it just feels like I may as well be where I started.>>4057620It's hard to enjoy it when it feels like I'm just throwing drawings out into the void sometimes.>>4057626Endless improvement doesn't mean anything if it doesn't actually take me anywhere. I can't honestly tell myself with confidence that I should keep doing what I'm doing, when the returns never seem to match my own effort.It just feels like it doesn't even matter.
>>4057629>I'm not convinced of that, especially when my work so frequently gets only a handful of responses here, and barely any attention on esix. Everything youve been doing has been getting more replies lately, stop lying to yourself because some of your stuff got kind of skipped past>And this is just blatantly incorrect. Most of my recent works have barely managed to get anything at all, on esix, twitter, and sometimes even here.Everything youve been doing here has been getting more replies, not counting reposts because the first time you post an image is going to get the most replies. You went from getting 2-3 to 5- i believe 8.You are blinding yourself to reality. Yeah e6 and Twitter metrics are gonna be wack but I take you as a man of facts and you know that youve posted stuff lately thats gotten more traction here, despite refusing to post it at an amicable time of day, and thats saying something. Hell, even your cocky cock thing got surprising response for being something with a more niche audience. Stop making friends with your depression stop comparing yourself to the number of repeat replies someone else gets,Stop buying into trolls and people with a terminal inability to not put their foot in their mouthsAnd let yourself enjoy the growing audience youve got here. God knows youve gotten more attention for your stuff than I have for anything Ive ever done. >It's hard not to feel like I'm just being egged on, but that no one actually gives a damn about what I do. You can actively see the spam going on around you, and the people trying to cause issues in this fandom across the board. Dont give it a foothold in your mind. I like you anonymous, but you're being self defeating.
>>4056718Geno Clover soul's interacting with Zenith Martlet in her mind after she's taken in his soul.
>>4057629>It's hard not to feel like I'm just being egged on, but that no one actually gives a damn about what I do.Come on anon, I remember people that don't even frecuent these threads complimenting your drawings, the ones you did for Bedo and Luzma come to mind.>Sure, there was that Ceroba drawing on twitter a few days back, but that was an anomaly, nothing else I've ever done has gotten that kind of attention before, and even the esix uploads of that one are still sitting around just 20 likes.I checked your twitter, from what I've seen your drawings for the fangame characters don't have any hashtags while the Ceroba drawing did, you can't expect people to find your art by themselves unless you have a huge amount of followers already.
>>4057634>Endless improvement doesn't mean anything if it doesn't actually take me anywhere. I can't honestly tell myself with confidence that I should keep doing what I'm doing, when the returns never seem to match my own effort.>It just feels like it doesn't even matter.If your returns don't matter, then how do you explain that last Ceroba image you did? Anon I beg of you, stop being so harsh with yourself over your drawings, people here like what you did, you get replies, even your last drawing got a decent amount of attention despite being something that only a handful of people here can enjoy, if you are always comparing yourself with others and bringing you down you'll always be miserable.
>>4057634>I want to make people happy, and I want others to enjoy my work, and my "developments" have been made for the sake of that goal, but it just feels like I may as well be where I started.I'm happy with what you've drawn. If that isn't enough, and you think it isn't making people happy enough, and that's a problem to you, then maybe consider working towards solving that problem. Try experimenting, do something different, see if it changes things up.I thought those Rubyquest style drawings you did were pretty fun. I always save those. That seemed like a successful experiment.
>>4057627Yeah I've seen this dude's art before. Thanks for the sauce.
>>4057634>I want to make people happyYou made me happy with this. I also like your other stuff overall but I cant post much of it openly as a reaction due to well, you being primarly an nsfw artist, but I like a lot of what youve done. You artists make this world a better place so I implore you to stop beating the hell out of yourself.
>>4057634>I want to make people happy,You think the devs aren't happy with the attention you bring to their characters?
>>4057376So in essence Zenith bird Clover was born as something akin to a boss monster soul fused with a human soul.
>>4057396Clover on Aborted Genocide was prepared to go scorched earth on Flowey after he killed Martlet right in front of him, so I imagine Zenith Clover would be a lot more dangerous, since he has something to lose.
>>4057636>Everything youve been doing here has been getting more replies, not counting reposts because the first time you post an image is going to get the most replies. You went from getting 2-3 to 5- i believe 8.My recent post of that Ceroba image actually only got about four replies. Two of the six were from myself, adding addendums.>Stop making friends with your depressionI'm sorry. I know I shouldn't let it get this bad, but it's not something that ever goes away for me.>stop comparing yourself to the number of repeat replies someone else gets,It's not just the replies, it's everything. I think that Wiki one hurt the most for me, to be so completely outdone, and even start catching flak because of it. How am I supposed to not think about that? That's the most direct comparison that could ever be made, and I'm not even the one who made it at first. It just makes me feel redundant, unneeded, if everything I do gets pushed to the wayside anyway.>>4057639>the ones you did for Bedo and Luzma come to mind.Outliers. There happened to be one non-regular anon who liked them, that's all. Nothing to get excited about.>your drawings for the fangame characters don't have any hashtags while the Ceroba drawing didAn entirely untagged screenshot of Ceroba's face I posted managed to outdo the actual image it was cropped from. I don't know how it works, but there's never any consistency.>>4057640>If your returns don't matter, then how do you explain that last Ceroba image you did?The algorithm, probably. I guess it wasn't really nsfw in a typical sense, so it spread further.>>4057641>I thought those Rubyquest style drawings you did were pretty fun. I always save those. That seemed like a successful experiment.I appreciate that, but obviously that's not the solution to this, that can't be all I do.>>4057650>You artists make this world a better place so I implore you to stop beating the hell out of yourself.I don't think I have a tangible impact like others do.
>>4057651Anyone can bring attention to them, and based on my numbers, I'm not doing much. I don't get credit for that, that doesn't mean anything.They're their characters, that I just happen to like. I'm not special because of that.
>>4057629look anon I just skimmed through the rest of the posts but I just want to say that while it's nice to see "number go up", you can't let that be everything you look forward to or you'll start to hate your own art, and if that happens you'll get stuck in a spiral/negative feedback loop and it will negatively impact your art if you don't feel like quitting it altogether
I'm sorry, again. For all of this.I shouldn't let this happen as often as it does, but it just keeps eating away at me, seeing the things I do get minimized every time.Whether it's from myself, or from someone else, it always happens.Maybe I just care too much about this, these stupid drawings.I don't know. The problem is probably just me again.I'm going to go away for a bit. I don't know how long.I'm sorry.Goodbye for now.
>>4057658>I don't think I have a tangible impact like others do.You mean in these threads? Because you're certainly one of the the most active anons around here, I like it whenever you post any new art, stop acting as if no one here cared about your drawings.
>>4057662>Anyone can bring attention to them, and based on my numbers, I'm not doing much. I don't get credit for that, that doesn't mean anything.I don't know anon, I've saved all your drawings so far, it genuinely makes my day to see someone so invested into something I'm making.>They're their characters, that I just happen to like. I'm not special because of that.And you like the characters enough to dedicate them hours of your free time in the form of drawings, I do think making fanarts and fanfics for them makes you a little bit special, not anyone can make those.>>4057668Take care of yourself anon, I hope you can get over this soon, I know how hard it can be to feel like you aren't doing as well as you should, and I'm too aware of how comparing your work to others is a quick way to ruin your day.
>>4057658>My recent post of that Ceroba image actually only got about four replies. Two of the six were from myself, adding addendums.Alright then, 4 is still up from the past, and your luzma did 5 replies, and I checked and none of those look to be you.>I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't let it get this bad, but it's not something that ever goes away for me. It doesnt simply "go away" for any of us, but you need to stop making friends with it and letting it wrap you in a blanket. I promise im not just speaking from vague platitudes here. Ive been having the "I really oughta (specifics excluded)" feelings again and theres a sick comfort the mind gets entertaining those feelings, to sinking into them. I dont know why our brain does that but please dont make friends with your depression. Just because its there doesnt make it an ally.>How am I supposed to not think about that?Because you weren't outdone there. No shade to the other anon because this isnt about that, but your wiki images did more for me because of how you personify her. Hell im not a foot person but her reaction to the dick pressed against her hoof was emotional diamonds. >and even start catching flak because of itAnyone giving you flak when you dont invite drama with your art is either insecure, or a troll.Yeah arguing head to head against you is a workout (one I appreciate most times too), but you dont put any invitation to drama in your art or anything of the sort. Its not easy but your supposed to feel indignant over the simple fact that someone hates art so much they make these pathetic little jabs at your drawings, but you shouldnt feel less about your drawings because of it because they are little shits.That comment about "finally someone drew wiki right"?Clearest scummy attempt to get at you I've ever seen. These are the kinds of people that try to run creators off from any longstanding threads. It is open, blatant and insulting, but doesnt lower my appreciation of your work.At all
>>4057538>Sadie gives Cole and Kanako a look that might as well be screaming help
>>4057658>>4057683>It just makes me feel redundant, unneeded, if everything I do gets pushed to the wayside anywayI think specifically of your wiki image with her in the red bikini where shes wagging her tail rapidly pretty frequently. I like the other draw anons in these threads stuff too yeah and thats why I said Im not throwing shade to anyone else, but I like your stuff, and the way you characterize in your images, and I heavily respect that you are working hard to improve as you draw because art isnt easy.I know it goes against everything you believe in, but you desperately need to practice respecting yourself more in your own thoughts, because even if you have those beliefs we've talked about before, your actions have value and impact that you have no ability to deny me and others feeling. You just let yourself fall into people actively trying to make you feel bad, because again Look around us on this board, theres an active effort to make everything worse for all of us, and you have to fight yourself tooth and nail to not let you believe their words, because thats the goal of these people, to discourage an artist trying to be better.You cant be asked to stop being yourself and I respect that, but please PLEASE consider the value of my words
>>4057684>"sadie im going to be real with you, my soul has been screaming for the past hour about how we have to fight your parents"
>>4057658>>You artists make this world a better place so I implore you to stop beating the hell out of yourself.>I don't think I have a tangible impact like others do.you don't THINK you do because you've made too strong of friends with your depression (and I'm sorry I keep using that expression) that it becomes easier to find comfort in a painful lie than in a hard truth, and it's twisted but it's that hard truth that "yes anon, no matter how much you want to deny it, people are glad to be around you". sure, not literally everyone, but that's humanity. You literally can not win them all.I've found a lot of enjoyment arguing and discussing with you, even on things that we've found disagreement on. It's helped me with a lot of my own stuff, and with a lot of my own creativity. Hell, maybe your stuff doesn't get as much attention as it could, and honestly I'd prefer it did, but some of the really important thoughts and ideas that have come to me have been as a result of engaging with you.I mean it when I say that you are all the fucking greatest, this place is a blessing, and it's less of a blessing when any of you creators decide to stop. You don't owe us anything, but your efforts have been meaningful to at least one person. That may not be enough, but all I can give is one persons worth.Deny yourself some self hatred, honestly this goes for all of you but right now especially you anon. Even if you want to come down hard on yourself, deny yourself that.
>>4057668I didn't see this before I made my posts, but I hope that you see them at some point and I hope my words reach you. I'm not gonna give you a hard time for "again" or anything. You're dealing with a mix of well intentioned anons, and anons with all of the worst intentions all at once.Just know that even if you decided you didn't want to post again for some reason, as much as I'd hate that, I'm still glad I met you, even if it's over an anonymous mongolian basket weaving imageboard.
OK, I've played Yellow and I thought it was all right, decently charming, but it never quite reached Toby's level in terms of either humor or pathos. Is there like a list of the other definitive UTDR fangames? pls spoonfeed
>>4057724I'm fairly sure Yellow is considered the best of the bunch so that should probably say something
>>4057725Slightly disappointed but not terribly surprised
>>4057658>, that can't be all I do.Of course. I'm trying to say that if you want to attract more of an audience, maybe try branching out into new things. Since that RQ style worked out for you, maybe some other experiments in style will as well.
>>4057724There's a good number of them. Shades of justice is a mod for UTY that seeks to improve some of the failings of the game. your mileage may vary.Soulblazers is a game focusing entirely on the "SWORD" gameplay from chapter 3 Deltarune yellow is a local anon making a game with the inspiration of "I want to save Clover and also pair him with kanako". it has 3 chapters so far. It's not perfect but I like it a lot.Undertale naranja is being made by an anon here, it has a demo that's pretty good and the anon is actively working on that. if you like creepy pastas there's "lost deltarune". quality is a bit iffy but it's got something it does at one point that is really unique."a different snowgrave" is a single fight game but it's held as a pretty good single fight game.Some other anons are working on games here as well but there's nothing to play yet for several.I haven't played frostveil but it's supposed to be a pretty good DR fangame.I know there's a bunch more but that's just off the top of my head.
>>4057724If you want more Yellow, currently your best bet is Deltarune Yellow. Its made locally as sort of a game about what the UTY characters are doing in the Deltarune world. If you just want more UT and don't need it to be UTY related, there's Undertale Red, its a pretty good single fight. There's a few demos for games like Undertale Naranja and Undertale Wildfire, those are both pretty good. If you want something funny, there's Underale 2: Revenge of The Robots. Undertale Blue and Cooking With Kindness aren't as good as the ones I've listed (the latter is really gay) but they are fangames with a decent amount of content. There's also Outertale, which I don't know much about, but its probably the biggest fangame aside from UTY. There's Overtime, which is Undertale but with TF2 characters.On the Deltarune side of things there's Hallow's Eve Hack, A Different Snowgrave, The Ribbit Mod, and Deltatraveler (which has terrible writing, like comically bad in places), and The Upper Hand. Then there's a few Mantle fangames like Mantle NES (mantle ported to NES, with original content), Soulblazers, and Nightmare.exe. There's even a VN called Childhood's End.
Is there something off if a major battle has more dialogue than some overworld sections?Or is it just natural from the format of these games?
>>4057737I think it depends on how big the overworld section is and how populated it is.
>>4057737Its gonna really depend on how you pull it off. Undyne has quite a lot of dialogue in her fight, more than some single scenes involving her, but not an insane amount.Id say her segment is pretty good.Papyrus talks frequently in his fight but I dont know if Id say he actually has a lot of dialogue.Is it meant to be back and forth stuff or just an exposition thing?
>>4057737>Is there something off if a major battle has more dialogue than some overworld sections?ehh, depends? I've seen a handful of people complaining that the bosses in UTY talk way too much, but I personally never found that to be a problem and neither did most people, but they do talk a lot compared to the bosses from Undertale. I don't think most people will see that as a bad thing, unless the entire overworld section is devoid of cutscenes and the bosses just talk that much.
>>4057738>how big the overworld section is Very short, think of what New Home is.>and how populated it is.I wish to have around a dozen NPCs and checkable things, but the obligatory stuff is very short.
>>4057741>I wish to have around a dozen NPCs and checkable things,That would mean at least 24 lines of dialogue if you have the standard "2 interactions for everything" system that undertale used. Is your fight going to have more than 24 lines of dialogue?
>>4057724>is there like a list of the other definitive UTDR fangames?Besides UTY the only other "Full Length" fangame is Outertale, but most people here don't care about it since the story is mostly a reskin of Undertale even if from a gameplay standpoint the game is very different, the other anons already gave you a good list of fangames, right now the second best fangame is TS!Underswap, don't let the swap AU stuff fool you, the writing in this is pretty good and so are the battles, TS!Underswap actually respects the characters personalities and does a lot of orginal things with the settings, you should really give it a try if you liked UTY, so far it has only two chaptersThere's also "SwapFell: I Hate You" despite the name this one doesn't have anything to do with Swaps AUs, the game is very weird and has a heavy OFF influence, if you played that game and you liked it you might like Swapfell, the battles in it are pretty good too.Undertale Naranja was also recommended, right now it has only a short demo/beta, you can only find it here in this archive since it hasn't been posted outside of 4chanhttps://rentry.org/mtt-fangames
>>4057743>Is your fight going to have more than 24 lines of dialogue?It should end up with a dialogue tree of at least 30 lines (counting flavor text and speech bubbles as one since they come in pairs)
>>4057746what are you making?>It should end up with a dialogue tree of at least 30 lines (counting flavor text and speech bubbles as one since they come in pairs)Are you saying the boss has enough dialogue for 30 turns? I don't think there's anything bad with your boss having enough dialogue for every possible action, at least in this fandom people seem to like when the boss has specific reactions for stuff like using certain items during battle or acts in a special order.You also have fangames that are just a single boss fight with a lot of dialogue, a good chunk of the fandom is already used to this sort of thing.
>>4057746That's not too much more. I would just make sure the fight itself doesn't feel like its wasting too much time talking. If all those 30 lines don't feel too long or like too many, then they probably aren't too much.
>>4057745>the only other "Full Length" fangame is OutertaleOvertime is a full-length fangame with a neutral, pacifist, and genocide route and it released in 2017.
>>4057759nta but I always just assumed overtime was a scattered assortment of fights at most.
>>4057759Isn't that a mod that replaces a lot of stuff but still follows the same level design as regular Undertale? Outertale is pretty similar but from what I've seen it includes some real changes, mostly in the genocide route
>>4057761It's got a full overworld and random encounters, but >>4057763 is correct in that it's very faithful to the skeleton of Undertale structurally with the mercenaries directly taking the role of Undertale characters. It's got some neat stuff, I really like the Omega Flowey replacement and there's a very funny and dickish twist on sparing Sans but if you're not simultaneously a big Undertale fan and a big TF2 fan it's pretty meh. Just wanted to acknowledge it for being the actual first full-length Undertale fangame
>>4057766well, I'll give credit where credits due on that I guess. It's always insane to me seeing how many people are still into tf2. I mean it's a good game but I remember playing it when the orange box came out so it's surreal I guess. I might watch a playthrough at least sometime when I need some background something or another.
>>4057772Good games are timeless. If you think people being into TF2 after almost 20 years is crazy, people are still huge into Quake and DOOM 30/33 years after release respectively. People make and play mods for the vanilla game, for crazy source ports that let you expand the gameplay so far that it doesn't even resemble the original anymore, and everything in between.And look, you can even bring Ralsei and Susie into your demon slaughters!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfZNzDi6y_o As far as I know you cannot bring them into any slipgates though
>>4057783>As far as I know you cannot bring them into any slipgates thoughsomeone's probably remade Quake in Doom at some point
>>4057671>>4057677>>4057687>>4057695I've had a few hours to think, now.I don't feel any better, really, but that wasn't the point.I have a lot of specific thoughts on what you've all said, as well as for any posts I can't really fit here, but I'm not going to express most of them. It's better that way.I appreciate the things you've said, but I don't think I can ever really believe these things, things being as they are. I guess that's just my own problem. One of you said I've made friends with my depression. You're right, I have. I've been suicidally depressed since I was about twelve years old, and that's never really gone away. Naturally, that means I've got my own boatload of problems, but for the ones relevant to this particular topic, it means I'm much more inclined to think negatively than positively, since that's what my mind and worldview have been like for a pretty significant chunk of my life by now, and it's especially hard to break out of that when the evidence and information available to me seems to back that up. So, when it comes to seeing stuff like, what we were talking about before, it's almost impossible for me not to view things the way I do. When I see one guy getting all the praise and attention in the world, and myself getting hardly anything, despite drawing very similar subjects, I only have so many conclusions to turn to. And, after hearing what some of those other anons said, I find it hard not to take that as evidence too. I guess my work really does just suck. I don't know. Maybe I don't know anything.I like the various characters around here, and I like drawing them. It's a hobby, just another one of those things. But when I see my work get brushed to the wayside so often, it makes it hard not to ask myself why I even bother with it. Some days are worse than others, I guess.Don't feel a need to reiterate what you said before, it's fine. I'm no one's preference, and I just need to come to terms with that.
>>4057783>Good games are timeless. If you think people being into TF2 after almost 20 years is crazy, people are still huge into Quake and DOOM 30/33 years after release respectively. People make and play mods for the vanilla game,while you ARE right, it's a lot less common for the multiplayer games to survive the ages, and I know doom and quake are multiplayer, the majority of people still playing them are not playing the multiplayer experiences.Remembering all of the different FPS I played back when, I guess I just didn't think TF2 would have kept on going as strongly as it did. >that video that's funny, Gotta love the doom modding scene.
>>4057789To the one of you expressing concern that I may leave altogether, you don't need to worry about that for now. The thought crosses my mind still, every now and then. It has ever since that other incident, a few months back now. I meant what I said back then, about the feeling of not belonging always being with me here.That said, I don't think I'll leave, over this anyway, and likely not anytime soon. I guess I'm too attached to rip the bandaid off, so to speak.I'm going to bed now. I'll try harder not to speak of this sort of thing, though I failed at that before.I'm sorry, again.
>>4057789>no ones preferencewell, you said I don't need to reiterate but I'm still going to reiterate how some of what you've drawn and some of what we've talked about together have been some of the most meaningful things to me personally. I don't pick favorites among the devs, artists and authors here, but I hope you can at least believe the words that I've personally been made happier on some pretty hard days because of things you've done. maybe you can't believe in yourself, and maybe saying "believe in me who believes in you" is a bit too cliche, but the more you share about yourself, the more I can relate, so maybe you can one day have enough faith in my words to believe if nothing else that I'm not lying.I wish words like "the worlds most blatant trolls are trying to make you miserable" were believable, but hopefully "I thought ur wiki wuz cute" isn't too much to ask you to believe.I'll leave it be with those words as well for now. good night anon.
>>4057789>I'm no one's preference, and I just need to come to terms with that.I prefer your gag drawings over the other gag artists in the threads. That one of Susie and Roba doing the puzzle is still hilarious.
>>4057789It sucks to see how hard you're beating yourself over your art not meeting your expectations.>I'm no one's preference, and I just need to come to terms with that.I don't want to put down any of the other artists here, but I really meant it when I said that I appreciate how much thought you put in representing the characters personalities in your drawings, both in their dialogue and body language, you're quite good at it. Don't let the trolls get in your mind.
>>4057559>but is my own work so fucking awful that I struggle to get even a dozen or so upvotes or favorites while he gets hundreds, while drawing the same character that no one knows about?The art world is extremely imbalanced, even in online spaces. Art that is already popular attracts more eyes so the gulf keeps widening. If you want consolation, those random people pressing a button don't matter. The only thing that really matters is whether you enjoy making art. If you do want to get into the community side of it, here with its anonymous and equal footing is best, and we genuinely do like your art.>>4057569this>>4057668>>4057789Hope you'll be alright.
Romulus suckling on wolf monster bosom...
>>4057986is that the green kid sig made?
>>4057994I think anon meant the actual Romulus, from the 'creation myth' of Rome.
>>4057994It is the dude who founded Rome. By the legend he was rescued by a female wolf who fed them with milk
>>4057995>>4057999right, right, I forgot the kid was named sunny
>>4057789I want to avoid throwing more reassurance your way as I've come to acknowledge that it's having the opposite effect, and in some ways making you feel even more self conscious, so I'm just going to be honest with my thoughts.From all the stuff you've written, I think you've become to focused on the whole "I need validation for my art to draw more" instead of "I draw because I enjoy it regardless of what others think."There's no way around it, there other people that draw stuff better than you do, but regardless of what I, or others think, it shouldn't matter, because art should be done because you personally enjoy drawing it, not because you want lots of upvotes, favs, and replies.I'm sorry you feel like nothing matters, because people have evidently been shown to gravitate towards others art, but like another anon said that's just how it is sometimes.I draw stupid stuff and share it here because I like to draw. That's the only reason I need, and I can do that while also enjoying and appreciating others art to, even if it's better than mine.>>4057796When I see posts like this, I also feel that someone becoming so self conscious about their own stuff, that they seek validation to feel better, can cause others to unintentionally invalidate or downplay others efforts when it comes to their art.I've made some gag meme images in the past, that a lot of people here liked, and now it feels like your backpedalling and saying it's worse when compared to someone else, because someone's self conscious. That doesn't feel like a very fair thing to do.>>4057801Same here, I acknowledge that it's not your intention to invalidate other artists here. but as one of said artists, it does feel like that's what your doing to make someone else feel better.I think artists/viewers here alike should stop being so focused on the comparisons, and more on the enjoyment/appreciation. In the end we're all looking to contribute to the fun, regardless of quality.
>>4058047>I think artists/viewers here alike should stop being so focused on the comparisons, and more on the enjoyment/appreciationIf only it were that easy. How I wish it was that simple.
>>4058047I think the real problem is that some people here are to focused on what others think, and not their personal enjoyment.They should just do their thing, regardless of it's writing or drawing, without becoming so focused on whether or not it's going to get a lot of attention and approval.
>>4056718Great to see you back!I'm sure it'll be a while before you show up and take requests again, so I'll send you mine while I have the chance to.So my request is something of a wholesome scene where DRY Martlet is hugging Cole.I also don't mind if you have Zenith Martlet hugging Cole, either one will be nice to see drawn.
>>4058000need wolf wife
>>4058113Sunny...
>>4057986who???
sunny's eyes turned hyprland green and he jumped out of the screen at me
>>4058047>I've made some gag meme images in the past, that a lot of people here liked, and now it feels like your backpedalling and saying it's worse when compared to someone else, because someone's self conscious. That doesn't feel like a very fair thing to do.He said nothing of the sort, he simply stated his own preference.>Same here, I acknowledge that it's not your intention to invalidate other artists here. but as one of said artists, it does feel like that's what your doing to make someone else feel better.And with this. He said nothing about my work in comparison to other artists.>I think artists/viewers here alike should stop being so focused on the comparisons, and more on the enjoyment/appreciation.You've missed the entire point of what I was upset about.No, I'm not continuing this.
Just know that I love you autistic fucks and everything you do more than a man should be allowed to love people he's never seen.Fel roba paws.
This is my last post on the matter, just to make my feelings clear, to you few specifically. Non-hostile.>>4057795>I wish words like "the worlds most blatant trolls are trying to make you miserable" were believableI'm not just upset about trolls. Those aren't responsible for the simple lack of attention or engagement a lot of the time.Throwing something out and getting barely anything hurts worse than active trolling.>>4057796Thanks, I suppose. The gag images I do usually aren't the ones I put real effort into, but I guess that's something.>>4057801>It sucks to see how hard you're beating yourself over your art not meeting your expectations.It's more desire than expectation by now.I don't expect to be liked too much, or for my work to be, but I can't help but want it. That seems to be where things fall apart.>but I really meant it when I said that I appreciate how much thought you put in representing the characters personalities in your drawings, both in their dialogue and body language, you're quite good at it.Anyone can do that, really. If that's all I have going for my work, that's not much. My work is easily rendered irrelevant with just a few minutes of studying any given character. >>4057821>The only thing that really matters is whether you enjoy making art.Of course I enjoy making art, but the entire point of sharing what I make is for other people to enjoy it too, and for me to see that. If I only cared about just making things, I could simply draw whatever I want, and never share it at all. I can't just not care about what other people make of it.>and we genuinely do like your art.A lot of days, that'd be news to me. It seems a lot of people just tolerate my presence, more than anything.These are my final responses on this matter. This is what I think. I'm not trying to be deliberately combative, or argumentative, or anything like that, and I don't intend for this to go on any further than this post. I'll try not to respond to any others.
>>4058181Oh damn, it's you anon lmao. I've sent you a dm on one of your socials a couple days ago for a potential commission lol. Good Roba.
>>4058197Im not the artist. I just picked one of the nice images I'd saved recently to declare my anonymous love for you all with.Sorry for the confusion
>>4058203Ah, dang. Well hope the artist gets back to the message anyway.
>>4058204I hope so as well anon.
>>4058181UTDR fangame community meetup when? and what would the average anon look like?
>>4058212>UTDR fangame community meetup when?Never realistically but I'd buy you all a drink. >and what would the average anon look like?Varied greatly. Weve got anons from all over the world and from a large range of walks of life, and even in some pretty big age ranges. I dont mean that as a cop out either, it would be a varied crowd
>>4056718It would be great to see you draw more pregnancy stuff. Kanako, Martlet, Ceroba, Zartlet, Sadie etc..Go nuts.
Sometimes I forget just how good some of the moments in Undertale Yellow are, specifically the non-pacifist routes.>Flowey cockblocking us from Martlet hurt-and-comfort followed by the best fight in the game>Ludo storytelling of resetting the game trying to get revenge>The vengeance induced murder spree of the genocide route>Flowey's brutal death scene>Shoop-da-whooping asgoreUndertale never did more than make my eyes a little wet during the asriel fight, and spike my cortisol with lesbians. Yellow seemed to have accidentally created one of the best ludonarrative experiences I've ever felt, I absolutely despised Flowey after that betrayal, and killing him was the most CATHARTIC experience of my gaming career, I was so invested, I was literally howling with joy at his death, like a complete psycho. I doubt Toby is capable or willing to make anything that elicits that much feeling in me, but I'd love to be wrong. I'd also love to hear that I'm not alone on this.
>>4058212I'll be at Mare Fair. I've seen comic artists there who are both into ponies and a variety of other fandoms.
>>4058393It's pretty CATHARTIC to kill Flowey after Omega Flowey.
>>4058393I do think Deltarune has a chance to hit harder, as we've spent a lot more time with the main cast and they're quite a bit more developed compared to undertale's.
>>4058393While I liked UTY I don't think I've ever felt that strongly about it. besides the pacifist end that got me a bit teary eyed, until I reflected on what just happened and that made me feel angry instead, I can't compare it to Undertale since when I got the chance to play the game I was already spoiled on everything, one thing I will say is that in terms of emotional impact UTY didn't have something like going through Asgore's house while you learn about Asriel's/Flowey's past, not that the game needed one but to me that's one of Undertale's best moments, the neutral route feels kind of aimeless until the end, I will say that Meta Flowey was cooler than Omega Flowey, he was the last boss I fought so I had already experienced the satisfaction of gunning down Flowey in genocide, I still think beating neutral should be a requirement to unlock the pacifist ending, too many people missed the meta Flowey fight.
>>4058404>I still think beating neutral should be a requirement to unlock the pacifist ending, too many people missed the meta Flowey fight.Sometimes I feel like Neutral endings aren't even really considered real endings due to most people being spoiled on true pascifist beforehand and neutral is just a stepping stone to get pacifist. Neutral's just kinda got too many variables to account for to make it nearly as satisfying as either extreme.
>>4058406>Neutral's just kinda got too many variables to account for to make it nearly as satisfying as either extreme.It might never reach the same emotional peaks as the pacifist/genocide endings but they can still do something with them, imagine if we got something like New Vegas style ending slides based on the bosses that you left alive and how many monsters you killed in each area, with some additional special endings for things like killing all basic enemies but leaving all the bosses alive.
>>4058408That already kind of exists with the sans phonecall stuff. It's just that it's an absolute boatload of effort for stuff no one can really see because no one really cares about a phone call compared to much more definitive and impactful endings
>>4058419>That already kind of exists with the sans phonecall stuff. It's just that it's an absolute boatload of effort for stuff no one can really see because no one really cares about a phone call compared to much more definitive and impactful endingsI know about the phone calls, I just meant something a bit more detailed, I don't think its that much effort if its a text at the end, it would depend on how the game reads and stores the conditionals.
>>4058425I guess it could be an interesting way to play with fan expectations. We're so conditioned to believe that the real meat of the story is always in either extreme so having the actual plots be in the shades of gray of neutral could be an interesting subversion.
https://youtu.be/AoYd4oQxm-Mhttps://youtu.be/YczDCM9Slzkhttps://youtu.be/KsftH1MEEG8https://youtu.be/PbpAFrF2ecc
>>4058427It might even be better in general. Pacifist and genocide are such obvious things to do and are what most people go for after UT's initial reveal about them so expanding on what happens in neutral routes where anything goes would probably be more impactful and feel more personal to a playthrough, but that's a pretty big undertaking.
>>4057747The idea is to make something like 6 single battle games all connected together with some cutscenes and minimal overworld exploration. This specific battle could be done as fast as six turns if you know how to ACT properly, but could extend up to those 30 turns more or less.>>4057748Out of curiosity, I checked the Papyrus fight and he has 23 turns all with dialogue in between.
>>4058431Yeah, something like a neutral focused game could fall pretty easily into telltale tier "choices matter" tier stuff just due to the sheer amount of variables you have to consider. Might be better for something like a Visual Novel
>>4058432>The idea is to make something like 6 single battle games all connected together with some cutscenes and minimal overworld exploration.Interesting, what is this fangame about?
>>4058435It would be better as a UT/UTY/DR game but it would certainly be less laborious to make as a VN, kind of like that one by the Dangan guys.
>>4058431>>4058435I wasn't thinking on these neutral ending slides surpassing the pacifist and genocides endings, just giving them something to make them more unique.I thought about the game actually having two "main" neutral endings depending on your LV, and a bunch of extra slides based on different choices, the two main endings would differ mostly in the game's last area and they would share the same final boss (but with a change in the narrative context).
>>4058428You know, all the years of skeleton wank, and songs that are simply "the sound font but not megalovania", its easy to forget how much of a jam the song actually was
>>4058432>Papyrus fight and he has 23 turnsHe died a lot faster when I fought him
>>4058428I can't be the only one who thought Rik's (the main character) sprite was that of an angry bird monster, right? I thought the yellow pixels (which are his ears) were a pair of eyes, and that the face was a beak
>>4058445I'm more into the idea of Neutral having more fleshed out endings than the two extremes. Personal preference, maybe just for the sake of contrarianism.
>>4058448I will be honest with you, the first time I saw Rik i thought he wasn't wearing a mask. I just thought he was really fucking ugly.
>>4058450Ideally all endings should have the same level of attention, but neutral having so many variables makes that a massive task, that's why my proposed solution for expanding them is the inclusion of ending slides, I do think neutral endings in games are usually shafted, sometimes they feel like a shittier version of the "good karma" or "bad karma" ending, instead of feeling like something that you got for choosing your own path, Bioshock 2 is one of the few games I know in which the neutral ending is actually the most unique one.UTY almost got there too, but neutral in Yellow doesn't really feel like an ending.
>>4056718Geno Clover and Meta Zenith Martlet.
>>4058462Yeah I'm just talking purely hypothetical and unrealistic wishing, I don't expect most choice games to go beyond "you farmed the most good/bad boy points so here is your different colored orb"
>>4058458His overworld sprite is hard to read in general, they should remove those black pixels in the middle, I still can't read those lines as eyes even knowing what the guy actually looks like
>>4058440Post pacifist underground.
I hate how every single Undertale/Deltarune fan doesn't have a fucking clue what made Undertale so good. Every single detail in those games is included for a reason, everything is foreshadowing, a hint, a reference, or at least funny. Every character serves a higher narrative purpose, for the most part, they aren't just furry OCs included for the sake of having something to interact with. I'd guess this is impossible for the fans to understand because they have zero morals other than canceling each other for using the wrong pronouns and referencing memes from Discord and Reddit about overdosing on estrogen. The larger fandom is filled with the worst, most boring, untalented troglodytes on the internet and all they do is tear each other apart, Undertale Yellow is a miracle and it's no surprise they've all decided they hate it now, it shines so brightly it makes them jealous, no wonder the Yellow team doesn't want to work on it anymore, and i'm shocked there weren't any real sex creeps on the dev team.
>>4058470Oh yeah, that game, that's the one with the octopus monster, isn't it? You got a name for it already?
>>4058474>Undertale Yellow is a miracle and it's no surprise they've all decided they hate it nowDo they really hate it? I barely interact with the wider fandom but from what I've seen the general opinion on Yellow is positive
>>4058475I call it Undertale Rose in my notes but I don't want that as a final name.Thought about>Rose-Undertale>Rosentalebut didn't settle down on anything.
>>4058474What is your opinion on DRY?
>>4058468I heard they were reworking his sprite so hopefully he'll be less ugly now.
>>4058474>Undertale Yellow is a miracleFucking kek, look at the numbers compared to UT and DR. Yellow hasn't sold a SINGLE copy, while the other two have sold millions. Yellow is cooked.
>>4058488>Undertale RoseI thought Rose was about a human that fell into the Underground before Chara did? Anyway I think "Undertale Rose" is fine if your main character has a pink soul, it follows the same basic pattern as other soul prequel fangames, but I can understand wanting a different name if you want to differentiate your project from those.
>>4058490Literally just remove the lines on the middle and his sprite looks much closer to the cutscenes, I don't mind him being "ugly" since the entire game is filled with weird designs.
if you pirated Undertale Yellow you're part of the problem
>>4058495At some point we'll run out of colors in the rainbow'cept blackthere is no black in a rainbowBut as I was told in school, you should worry about the title for last.
>>4058496Rik after he became chill.
>>4058489When I played the original demo (I downloaded it from catbox from the first thread it was dropped in), I felt the same nostalgic warmth I got free seeing Undertale characters in Deltarune chapter 1 and I died laughing at the dinner scene, and got emotional reuniting with Martlet. While I enjoyed playing it, I couldn't shake the feeling that it was just a "I made this for fun" sort of project. I assumed the dev didn't have a solid idea of where these characters were going and that it was probably his first time doing writing and art of any sort (I don't remember if there was any original music). And I appreciated that because I used to make a ton of """games""" in my free time as a kid. But as a piece of media to be compared to other pieces of media, it really didn't have anything special going for it. The greatest compliment I can give to it is I wasn't worried that the characters were going to suddenly spring into a diatribe about gender and pronouns and discord memes. And I appreciate the bravery it takes to put a straight relationship at the center of your story.
>>4058503Exquisite bait
>>4058474>no wonder the Yellow team doesn't want to work on it anymoreIf only that were true.
>>4058488So is this or is this not the one with the cyan soul that looks like Peewee Herman?
>>4058506It's my honest thoughts, I'm not trying to be a hater. I should say that it's incredible that he created that much of a game in such a short amount of time, and I should also note that I have not gotten around to playing more recent builds, nor did I play the weird route, also the game was buggy and unfinished when I played. I think DRY has massive potential and I hope it continues development.
>>4058511yup it is
Update from Wildfire```Hi allIt's been a hard year this year. Development is slow but there is progress. Over the course of this year we've been implementing a couple of new overworld maps and cutscenes, refined the writing and storyline to better fit how it should flow. Some of the old visuals that have existed since the first couple of days of development were long due for a refresh to keep up with the times. For instance, there was a design for a church building that was drawn early on. Unfortunately it was the same size as some generic residential buildings, so a much needed redesign was made, now with onion domes. Here is a mockup of a battle that may happen in front of the church. The radio silence and the long wait is frustrating, but if we succeed at this, we hope it will be something quite impressive, both from our eyes the writers, artists, musicians, programmers and also you, the audience.Regards,Frigadae
>>4058513What happened to the prequel plot?
>>4058517What's wildfire about? I've seen it posted around (mostly doomposting) but I havent been clear on what the premise is
>>4058517Oh, its not dead, cool. You might want to make a habit of posting proof of life on your public facing accounts. Even if you have nothing to say, just a simple "we're not dead" would suffice.
>>4058517IT'S REALIT'S ALIVEIT'S NOT DEAD
>>4058519Nta, but you could just play the combat demo. It gives a pretty good explanation of the premise.
>>4058518There are hints and artifacts of it in my current plot but it's a completely different beast from what I want to do now.
>>4058522fair enough then, got a link?
>>4058524Oh yeah, you changed it to him falling into some deeper underground area, right?
>>4058525Its on their Gamejolt https://gamejolt.com/games/undertalewildfire/868658
>>4058526It's way more complicated than that.My original cyan story was quite surreal and leaning into hard metafuckery, the current one has a lot less of that and is closer to a "expand the setting" UTY style story.
>>4056718If you're up for it, maybe you can try drawing some of the characters from Undertale Wildfire.I'm sure Riley, Luna, and Anser would look great in your art style.
>>4058532Damn, the more you describe it, the more I wish I could see that cancelled version.
>>4058517Neat, you're not dead yet.
>>4058521quigley died (of broken pelvis)
>>4058544I'll share what it was and more scrapped stuff if I reach the finish line
>>4058517Why don't you (your game's team in general, not just you specifically) post stuff like this on twitter or something, so that literally anyone but just us specifically knows your project isn't completely dead?I get maybe wanting to let us know since the last guy from your team to come through here pretty much said shit's fucked, but pulling a Voldemort and only letting a handful of people know you're alive doesn't seem like the best idea right now.
>>4058512Nothing you said strikes me as bait, but you should consider giving the newer content for it a swing some time. Either way to me it feels like DRYanon has been improving.
Different wildfire dev here. Cheers, we're alive. I was thinking of like, bullshitting an AMA here since it's been a bit since the last dev appearance.
>>4058585has chapter 5 induced any changes in wildfire?
>>4058570Dude I got this from their discord
>>4058591Well that wasn't exactly easy to tell with the signature at the bottom, you know.
>>4058588It slowed us the FUCK down. If chapter 5 did not come out there wouldn't have been a guarantee for a demo this year, but the chances would have been higher. Asides from that? Not really, we all thought it was cool, thought about it, and then willingly chose to ignore it to do our own thing.
>>4058595>we all thought it was coolGrimm
>>4058585Has WildBeemo gone AWOL or something? Why are we only hearing about this from other devs?
>>4058595>If chapter 5 did not come out there wouldn't have been a guarantee for a demo this year, but the chances would have been higher.NTA, but do you have any kind of estimate for when that demo'll be done, or how far along it is?Because honestly, after hearing that that demo was supposed to be done *last* year, and that it won't even be coming out *this* year, I'm still somewhat skeptical about things.
>>4058595>, we all thought it was cool,Riley's gonna get cucked to death
>>4058585Has the content we've already seen (plot elements, character designs, music) changed substantially since the combat demo?
>>4058599The bloke is going through it, essentially. He'd like to do more but he's got a house to pay for and a job and shit like that. He's more or less taking a leap year against his own will at the mo.
>>4058604Kris 100% deserved it though and only chronic protag simps believe otherwise.
>>4058610Riley deserves it more for being a jobber
>>4058585Might as well ask this here since I can’t think of asking it anywhere else.Has the team considered applying Wildfire to UNDEREVENT this year? I heard it’s going to be the last one, and they could still be taking applications up to December.
>>4058600Yeah no, you got all the right to be skeptical. Let me put it this way; the fact that it got to august and we hadn't had it done pretty much got me nihilistic. All the regular NPC dialog has been written, all the rooms mapped out, the shopkeeps, etc. It's mostly the actual fights and important scenes taking the while. All of it is written and thought out, but we need the assets and coding and implementation, debugging, etc to be done.
>>4058614Pretty sure they already said they will
You know, I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone here (to my knowledge, I am sorry if I missed it) talk about that "doghole dungeon" mod or fangame or whatever, feels like something that would've spurred some discussion, even in development.
>>4058606Yes, but I don't know what counts as "we've already seen". A lot of plot details that we hadn't spoken about before were the main things that got changed. Anser and quigley are still there, Luna and Riley are still winding up together, if there's anything specific you want to know?
>>4058616Hm, alright.Mind if I ask what caused such a heavy delay back then?IIRC, that announcement about a demo was made pretty late into last year, which means that, at least at the time, you guys thought you were looking at just a few months worth of work, which has since ballooned into more than a year's worth. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, and I get if there was just some stuff happening behind the scenes for you guys that slowed things down, but I'm genuinely curious as to what could've caused such a massive change in the ETA for development like that.
>>4058619>doghole dungeonIt has been mentioned a few times, but there was never much discussion around it.
>>4058614The rules of UNDEREVENT pretty much tell you to not talk about underevent. Not strictly but you're not supposed to confirm if you'll be there or not. Dropping all pretenses though no one on the team wants to miss the opportunity. Don't think any fangame would, considering it's the last one.
>>4058620Have Mr Sunshine's personality and motivations been given due attention? While Wildfire could plausibly work with him being a generic dumb villain, carried entirely by Riley's own character journey, having a long-term adversary to contrast and challenge the protagonist that's also a compelling character unto his own would be a significant improvement.
>>4058616>All the regular NPC dialog has been written, all the rooms mapped out, the shopkeeps, etc. It's mostly the actual fights and important scenes taking the while. All of it is written and thought out, but we need the assets and coding and implementation, debugging, etc to be done.While it's cool that that much of it is done and taken care of, the fact that the actual programming is still left to be done makes me feel like UTW isn't quite past the great filter just yet, since actually coding everything together is the hardest part of any game development project.
>>4058616>but we need the assets and coding and implementation, debugging, etc to be done.ENTER
>>4058625>Don't think any fangame would, considering it's the last one.I'm gonna be a pedantic asshole and say that most of the fangames here probably don't care about being in the UNDEREVENT
>>4058634>claudei wouldnt trust that retard to make sure 1+1=2
>>4058636NTA, but a lot of fangames here aren't really in the state to be at something like that anyway.
>>4058634What is this?
>>4058638>NTA, but a lot of fangames here aren't really in the state to be at something like that anyway.DRY1 unironically has more content that the vast majority of fangames and Naranja has an actual demo even if its a short one, I'm just saying that even if they were in a more advanced state they still wouldn't participate in UNDEREVENT, I think we talked about it before
What's UNDEREVENT, by the way? Haven't really been in the undertale fan space ever so I haven't heard of it.
>>4058643>DRY1 unironically has more content that the vast majority of fangames and Naranja has an actual demo even if its a short oneI said "a lot", not all.Anyway, DRY1 could feasibly be there if DRY1anon wanted it, but UTN is still using a lot of placeholder music from UT and UTY, so I'm not sure I'd say it's in as much of a presentable state, which I believe is why Naranjadev has chosen to keep it local to here for now.
>>4058610Nobody deserves that. And more importantly, I'm not going to tolerate it while I'm playing as him. Not because the protag makes him more deserving of happiness, but because I don't want to experience that shit, even vicariously.
>>4058644A community event where various UTDR fanworks are shown off in some big presentation thing, like the Playstation plate of spray or whatever.The final one's this year.
>>4058620Have any of the designs present in the combat demo been replaced or majorly changed?
>>4058644>>4058652I never watched it, but from I'm seeing its also got some kind of plot going on with OCs and fangame characters?
>>4058655Yeah, I dunno, I never really paid attention to that stuff, I only saw specific bits of it here and there.
>>4058616Hm, is something going on with the programming team? I thought that, based on the combat demo, the system was mostly fine. Was it redone for some reason?
>>4058619Anons here seem to be predominantly focused on the plot of fangames, while Doghole Dungeon is focused almost exclusively on gameplay.
>>4058658looks like they got their own tumblr sexyman bait as an announcer for the show and everything
>>4058671Isn't this straight up just that one hazbin hotel character
>>4058671That kinda just looks like a legally distinct version of that guy from that one cartoon Markiplier's in.
>>4058625>Don't think any fangame would, considering it's the last one.Eh, I'm not too eager to go, even if I did have more to show off. The culture there seems a bit too far removed from what I'm comfortable with. It seems like none of the other devs here have made any attempts towards it either. Plus that "don't talk about Underevent" thing is a bit of a turnoff.
>>4058672Do you have any idea of how little that narrows it down?
>>4058638Don't a lot of the fangames at Underevent have literally no content beyond a trailer?
>>4058678Okay fair, I meant that one tv guy with the top hat, vox I think.
>>4058679Maybe? I haven't really kept up with it recently.But really though, just because they might all suck doesn't mean you should stoop to their level.
>>4058644Its like E3 but for Undertale fangames. Has this weird AU crossover plot going on between the tailers. Apparently this year's is going to be the last.
>>4058619If you got a gamejolt link I'll add it to my watch list so I can post updates here like I usually do with most games >>4058679It's funny that most of the things announced there are almost all dead/abandoned
>>4058673Markiplies is in a cartoon?
>>4058681The more blatant the bait is, the more similar the tumblr sexymen look to each other, he's just a very generic design of "twink with sharp teeth and a suit"
>>4058685Actually, it has a neocities page.Yeah, I dunno.https://dog-hole-dungeon.neocities.org/
>>4058679You know, Undertale Yellow had a trailer there once, but it was only 30 seconds and it all amounted to a “we’re working on it”
>>4058690Damn not even a RSS feed? This will be annoying to get updates for, but thanks anyway
>>4058679>>4058683Its not like the event has some super high barrier of entry or anything, Undertale Red and Yellow was featured there.
>>4058686This cartoon.He played the bear.Anyway, that purple guy with the hat and the one eye reminds me of the not purple guy with the hat in this.
>>4058623There's STILL a likely chance for a demo this year, do not get me wrong. I don't actually think there's one big reason as to WHY, there's multiple parts I guess. Some people had to go off to college so they couldn't work as much (most of us are americans so it was pretty in sync). some people had other irl stuff like jobs or moving. the reality of "we are making a whole ass videogame" hit us hard with coding. I will add that I feel like it's my own individual fault too since I bitched at the other writers over their takes on scenes I wanted to write, but then took an unscheduled vacation. I got my shit together eventually, thankfully enough, and I'm grateful that the team doesn't hold it against me.
>>4058699man I really am starting to realize how common of a character design "thin guy with suit, top hat, and shark teeth" is
>>4058700>There's STILL a likely chance for a demo this year, do not get me wrong.Well, I'll keep an eye out, but the last guy to come through here giving information on UTW said we shouldn't even necessarily be expecting it *next* year, and with programming not exactly being a small hurdle to get over, I'm still just a bit skeptical about how all this is gonna shake out, no offense.>I will add that I feel like it's my own individual fault too since I bitched at the other writers over their takes on scenes I wanted to write, but then took an unscheduled vacation. I got my shit together eventually, thankfully enough, and I'm grateful that the team doesn't hold it against me.Glad there wasn't any major drama or anything behind the scenes then.I think I'm out of questions for now, so I'll just say that I wish you and your team luck with the project.
>>4058628>Do you plan on having the main villain suck shit or be good.
>>4058709NTA, but given the track record of a lot of UTDR fanstuff, that is technically a valid question.Don't want Mr.Sunshine talking about how CATHARTIC it'll feel to beat the shit out of Riley, do we?
>>4058696>Undertale Red and Yellow was featured there.Look, like it or not, UTR&Y was technically a polished mod for what it is, it's just a case of "awful taste, good execution".
>>4058711>Don't want Mr.Sunshine talking about how CATHARTIC it'll feel to beat the shit out of Riley, do we?But that would be funny
>>4058701Just now?I remember people making "humanized" versions of Bill Cipher from way back in the day, and those all pretty much ticked off all those boxes.Except for the official one, of course.
>>4058717I've largely not been too deep into the tumblr side of the internet most of my life so a lot of this stuff is novel to me.
>>4058720Understandable, though I'm surprised it hasn't apparently made its way to you instead. That stuff has a tendency to get around.
>>4058716Maybe so, but is that all you want from what's presumably the game's main antagonist?
>>4058723I mean it kind of has, It's just that it mostly manifests in my perusal of fanfiction so i'm mostly just bewildered as to why there's so much call of duty yaoi fanfiction(I genuinely don't know why the tumblr side of the internet latched onto call of duty it's so weird) as opposed to looking at sharp toothed tumblr sexymen
Do you guys think the new version of Deltatraveler or whatever it's called now is gonna be at Underevent, presented like it's some brand new thing and not like half a decade old?
>>4058731Didn't they only just announce the rebrand? I don't think they'd even have anything to show
>>4058730>I mean it kind of has, It's just that it mostly manifests in my perusal of fanfiction so i'm mostly just bewildered as to why there's so much call of duty yaoi fanfictionAh, that makes sense.Wait, why are you looking for COD fanfiction?>(I genuinely don't know why the tumblr side of the internet latched onto call of duty it's so weird)I once had to see a tweet that said (paraphrasing here) "imagine training to be a combat medic for multiple years and being assigned to task force 141 only to end up having to perform Soap's abortions every other week".If I had to see and think about that, so do you.>as opposed to looking at sharp toothed tumblr sexymenAt least they're varying their tastes a little, can't knock that. Too much, anyway.
>>4058727>Maybe so, but is that all you want from what's presumably the game's main antagonist?Yes, if he's funny enough
>>4058734Correct, but based on how they've been handling themselves so far, do you really think it's out of the question entirely?
>>4058738>Wait, why are you looking for COD fanfiction?I'm not, that's the thing. There's just so much of it that it'll leak into entirely unrelated tag combinations and I'm forced to reckon with its existence. I just don't get it, why is there SO MUCH of it
>>4058711Last 'That other wildfire dev who isn't beemo' post before I make dinner; Sunshine is 100% his own character. We made damn well sure to have several conversations over how Sunshine's brain works both with Riley and Luna and without them. He is NOT a "Big bad man murders because he enjoys that", but also he is very much explicitly evil. As I type this I realize he isn't very much like any other undertale villain I've seen in fangames or officially. Comparing him to OG flowey is the most apt, but only because it's the closest. He's very much his own guy (Not sucking my own dick, I am not saying he's better than any other bad guy just different). How about this; He DOES show up in the demo, at some point, and I'd say it'd only take about two seconds to form a really good first impression. It's up to you guys if you wind up liking him, but i'm sure you will.
>>4058742Well, it is an extremely popular franchise, so I guess it's just a given past a certain point.Plus, big beefy guys in combat gear does things for people, so you know. Not me, not like that, but you know.
>>4058749It's an extremely popular franchise but it's not one of those franchises that I would expect to have a lot of people making fanfiction of. Given the average playerbase is of the kind of people who would call you a fag for admitting you read fanfiction(as well as the fanbase being majority male). As you said I can absolutely see why women would latch onto it, but not to the massive degree it is where it's competing with actual yaoi bait anime franchises
>>4058749>spoilerI thought tumblerinas were allergic to masculine men?
>>4058743Confident, huh?Well, hopefully that's not misplaced, it'd certainly be nice to see this turn out well.
>>4058671>>4058699Its a pretty easy trope to fall back on. Even I had plans for a character like that in my game. Though I eventually changed him to be more goofy, since I felt it fit the role of the character better.
>>4058753have you not seen the cover of the average shitty romance novel?
>>4058753This kind of thing isn't just limited to tumblr you know, it's not 2013 anymore.World's a big place, and there are a lot of people who like big sweaty muscular guys in combat gear.
>>4058758>have you not seen the cover of the average shitty romance novel?Yeah but, aren't those two demographics different? like the women who read romance novels and the ones that write mpreg fanfics are different people, or so I thought
>>4058751Well, I'd say the women latching onto it like that are definitely still a minority compared to the series' overall audience, it's just that that audience is so big that even a minority of it still seems like a lot in general.One percent of one million is ten thousand, which isn't as much comparatively, but by itself is still a pretty big number, you see?
>>4058756I have a character that is pretty close to those tropes too, he just lacks the shark teeth and the hat to fit the bill perfectly
>>4058762Obviously not all of the people who read shitty romance novels are going to write omegaverse fanfiction, but the middle section of that venn diagram is becoming larger and larger these days as online spaces become more accepted and crowded. that nearly 1million kpop fanfiction had to come from somewhere
>>4058756Yeah, but there's definitely getting to be a bit of fatigue over that kind of design in recent years.I'm sure your design's fine if you differentiated it enough, I don't mean to get into that.
>>4058762I once saw someone on twitter promoting a "romance novel" in which a woman falls into indentured servitude on a "farm" where all she does is jack off big anthro cow and horse men all day until she falls in love with one of them.The modern standards for what constitutes a romance novel, or even romance itself, are so completely insane that they really just don't mean anything anymore.No I didn't commit the name of the book to memory, don't ask.
>>4058783some shit makes the "anthro girl obsessed with humans" shit seem quaint in comparissonand like, why not call it an erotic novel instead?
>>4058787I'd say "because a lot of women can't differentiate between love and lust", but that would be a generalization I don't feel confident in adhering to.I don't have any real alternatives though.
>>4058788Many men are like that too.I think it's just the book publishing industry sucking with labels, they're the ones who use young adult to mean teens and not 18-25 adults.
>>4058787>>4058788Probably because calling it a romance novel makes it easier to advertise and pass as some form of higher literature, I know I know, a story about a woman milking anthro bulls shouldn't be easier to sell just because it has the "romance" label, but I don't write the rules.
>>4058731>presented like it's some brand new thing and not like half a decade old?Why not, that's essentially what it is. It has almost nothing to do with Deltatraveler, it doesn't even share a name. Of course RynoGG (or Vylet or whatever he's calling himself now) will probably act like its a continuation to try and ride on the coattails of his previous success.
>>4058517The Russian Orthodox design you went with is cool. We'll be patient if you persevere.>>4058607I wish him the best. Balancing real life with your passions is tough.>>4058619That excited me when I first saw it but everything else occupied my mind. How has it improved?>>4058675Is it that cancer? Also the "don't talk about it" seems designed for surprises in mind like the way Nintendo Direct is.>>4058787Because women want to look educated and brag about how many books they read (I saw one video where she bragged about a pile of books she read, and EVERY SINGLE ONE was smut) and mentioning they read smut would make them look bad in comparison. Guys tend to keep this sort of thing to themselves, and those who don't (like talking about being a VN aficionado when all the ones they play are hentai) are considered weirdos.
>>4058738>Wait, why are you looking for COD fanfiction?I could see wanting to read stuff about the zombies plot, its got some cool sci fi and paranormal stuff going on. I guess the campaigns had some fun military sci fi stuff with the nova gas or the invasion of America. Hell, if he's a weird, maybe he wants a book about the exo suits or the space wars in Infinite Warfare.I'm 40 chapters deep in a Star Wars AU fanfic right now, so its not that unheard of.
>>4058742I'm sure they'd be similarly confused why we like Undertale. COD is (or at least was) a pretty good series that a lot of people have exposure to.
>>4058801>How has it improved?No clue, but it's around.
>>4058766He's not even really sexyman material anymore, at least not in the conventional sense. I can't read the minds of tumblrinas, so if he gets Sans'd then I can't predict that.
>>4058813>He's not even really sexyman material anymoreTo (loosely) quote an expert on the matter, "In a world where there are hundreds of entries on sexypedia and at most five real tumblr sexymen, asking if Big Jack Horner counts as a tumblr sexyman is like asking if there's a god".Anyway, who's to say.
>>4058783>I didn't commit the name of the novel to memoryMorning Glory Milking Farm, I believe. Saw some anons shitposting about it in /v/ earlier today. Anyways, I'm pretty sure its classed as erotica. Though I have heard of it before when hearing about anthro x human stuff becoming more mainstream.I can't hate on it though. I've read my fair share of low brow hmofa erotica. And of course its not that far removed from anons here wanting to fuck monsters, even if it is a lot more high effort and long form than most of our outright smut.
>>4058764What does he have of the traits then?
>>4058818>Morning Glory Milking FarmGee, thanks, you, really shouldn't have.>Saw some anons shitposting about it in /v/ earlier today.Guess you can't beat timing like that, huh?
>>4058787Romance often became used as shorthand to refer to erotica back when that term was considered improper to use in public. These kinds of highly pornographic "romance" novels have been a thing for decades, going all the way back to the days of the dime novel.
>>4058801>Is it that cancer?The last one I saw featured a Dustrust game with the only notable colors in its trailer being a trans flag flapping in the wind. It had some cool stuff, but it is very much a product of the wider fandom.>Also the "don't talk about it" seems designed for surprises in mind like the way Nintendo Direct isI know, I just wouldn't want to limit myself like that.
>>4058819He's tall, thin, wears a suit and a he's snarky, among a few other lesser traits.
>>4058831NTA, but I think the age of the Onceler has mostly passed, so you probably don't have to worry about getting that same kind of treatment today.Probably.
>>4058832Didn't Tenna get that treatment when Chapter 3 released?
>>4058834Not like back in the old days.People still wanna fuck him, don't get me wrong, but it's not quite the same thing.
>>4058834>>4058837People want Tenna to fuck Spamton instead
>>4058841Yeah, exactly.Reminds me of when someone on tumblr was talking about how people outside of tumblr call Spamton a tumblr sexyman, despite almost nobody on tumblr actually being that horny for him, and someone called him a "tumblr happy meal toy" instead.
>>4058842I see people comparing Spamton to Sans, but I don't think he ever generated the same kind of autism the skeletonfags had.Like, you don't see 500 addisons in the same way we had 500 skeleton, somehow it seems the pippinses got that sort of attention instead but to a much lesser degree.
>>4058634>LLM codeIf a skilled programmer who already knows how to do it by hand uses it then I'm willing to trust it until proven wrong (proven wrong in this case seeing a lot of major bugs). Most Undertale fangames have amateur coders if not novices learning to code via the project, so introducing vibe code seems like a disaster waiting to happen.>LLM assetsHell no
>>4058634>>4058853Using AI to make a fangame is an easy way to get teared limb by limb by the fandom, it would kill your fangame before it gets born
>>4058857I mean the bigger issue is you'd get basically nothing done beyond what can be stolen from codebases that have already been scraped and basically every actual measurement done on coding productivity shows that people incorrectly believe they're being more productive when both code quality is worse and actual productivity is lost wrangling AI code.
>>4058853>>LLM assets>on the game that has mspaint artwork>on the game that has thousands of musicians out there making fan tracks for no chargecan't understand the mentality there
>>4058865I know the problems that come with vibe coding, I was talking about how using AI at all for a fangame would be suicide, people would actively avoid it if that became a well known fact
>>4058585Are there any cats in the game?
>>4058871NTA, there's another Orange fangame with a cat girl as one of the main monsters
>Listen to Deltarune Vision Crew chapter OSTs and thinking it's pretty good for a fan concept album>It wasn't a fan album concept>It was an alternate chapter 3+4 take and it was cancelled>Find out they're making fucking a fanmade chapter 6 conceptWhat the fuck?
>>4058970So?That doesn't sound so bad, speculative fanmade chapters can be cool.
>>4058970Yeah we talked about that here, those guys were pretty retarded for scrapping everything they had, it would be funny if chapter 6 releases before they can release their take so they scrap that too
>>4058970they canceled it because toby beat them to the punch and they seethed about it, so they jumped up to CH6 while CH5 was still in dev and it looks like they're going to be beat with that too.
>>4058976nta, they are cool, the problem is that they cancelled their fan take after years of working on it just because the official chapter 3+4 released
>>4058976>>4058977I was surprised they put all that effort into making fanchapters and cancelling them that's all. Music is at least good I guess.>it would be funny if chapter 6 releases before they can release their take so they scrap that tooThat'd be sad, tbqh.
>>4058970bgm signalfield goes so hard i love it, i wish i could explore that suburban dark world
>>4058981What a cowardly thing to do. Shows they had no faith in their work, or any real loyalty to it. They thought its only niche and in turn the only purpose of it was to meet a demand Toby couldn't meet, and when that demand was filled, they just gave up.
>>4058995Yeah, it's a pretty shitty thing to do, even if they thought CH3+4 was better than their work they shouldn't have cancelled it, did they think their take was only valuable because they were going to release it before the official chapters?
deltatraveler was a memorable name, why rename it to deltarune interdream? it doesnt even have anything to do with dreams or being inside of them!
>>4058999>it doesnt even have anything to do with dreams or being inside of them!How do you know that? Maybe the game ends with Kris waking up in an hospital bed and with his legs amputated
>>4058995damn, at least lambdarune wasn't so spineless, they knew it wasn't canon and they still chose to keep working on their own stuff
>>4059001technically foreshadowed with the concussion thing from section 2! technically they didnt wake up without legs, but i cant imagine coding an entire mechanic like that and just use it once for 30 minutes in a game with 8 sections, imagine the knight deciding to swoop in during section 4 as you PROCEED to massacre everything with kris and schizo noelle, and since kris is a fucking traitor they bend the knee and let themselves get light world SWOONed
>>4059002Which one was that?
>>4059007it was one where Undyne joined your party and Alvin is the knight
>>4058998>did they think their take was only valuable because they were going to release it before the official chapters?Apparently so. Makes me wonder if they only worked on it specifically because they wanted to say they beat Toby to the punch.>>4059001Damn, they cucked his legs off>>4058999Because it has nothing to do with Deltatraveler, its a different fangame that's trying to inherit the fanbase of Deltatraveler.
>>4059010Is it that collection of single fights, or a full chapter?
>>4059013full chapter, actually, it has all of chapter 3 released already and they released a demo of chapter 4
>>4059012>Apparently so. Makes me wonder if they only worked on it specifically because they wanted to say they beat Toby to the punch.Didn't the Deltatraveler team said they already had figured Deltarune's story or something like that? Surpassing Toby seems to be a constant among devs, only some are more delusional than others.>its a different fangame that's trying to inherit the fanbase of Deltatraveler.So Deltatraveler is fucking dead then?
>>4058970Link to this thing?
>>4059013>>4059014wasn't it just some segments of the chapter? or did they update it to be an actual full thing?
>>4058999>deltatraveler was a memorable nameI mean, not really. "That game where you kill Ness & Paula" or "the level with the hilariously edgy Underfell level" brought more to my mind before I realized it was the same game.>why rename it to deltarune interdream? it doesnt even have anything to do with dreams or being inside of them!Supposedly, the different worlds are supposed to be dreams of different universes?But honestly, I think they just really latched on to the dream symbology from the end of Chapter 5.
>>4059015Interdream is mostly the same people, the lead dev just changed their name (again).But yeah, Deltatraveler as it was cancelled, and they're retooling the idea, most likely to get away from the memes the old game got. Wouldn't be surprised if they still kept the Eathbound stuff, but something tells me that they're gonna stick in their lane with mostly UT/Mother related levels, and not try to do the Legend of Zelda or Toontown stuff again.
>>4059024>most likely to get away from the memes the old game gotReally? Are they going to drop a project they have been working on for years just because people mocked them? They should have kept pushing forward if that was the case
>>4059027As >>4059015 said, the team arrogantly went "haha tobias I am onto you! I know how deltarune will end!" just to be completely wrong after chapter 3 and 4 dropped, and chapter 5 dealing the killing blow, so their ego got shattered and after all the CATHARTIC memes, they are just going to try again by changing some thingsHonestly I would rather they just make their own unique DR take like DRY or Broken Destiny, I think that rynoGG or whatever name they go by now has talent as a programmer and sprite artist, they just need a fucking better writer to keep them in check
>>4059020https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_sXFbaP261i3Y_3q0sARx47Hk0TR5EyR&si=grAT-DzuTaq3bEge
>>4059022>Supposedly, the different worlds are supposed to be dreams of different universes?so now the characters are gonna be like "lol you didnt actually kill shit teehee" while still being super bitchy about FIGHTing the enemies?
>>4059028i checked out the deltatraveler rebranded interdream thing, and damn, that snake is pretty sexo, they wouldve benefited from doing a deltarune fangame filled with OCs instead of deltarune in some games and AUs>like DRYnever let rynogg anywhere close to clover and kanako, we were lucky to avoid clover x kanako being destroyed over people being like "theyre sibling coded ree" due to a popular clover & kanako take making them siblings thanks to deltatraveler yellow getting cancelled, i wouldnt want them to ruin cole and kanako either
>>4059035>that snake is pretty sexoShe would be more sexo if her body wasn't 3 inches long
>>4059037you dont know ball, snake chicks are hot
>>4059035>Check page for characters>Pic related>Pronouns: he/him...?The damage chapter 5 did to Ralsei won't be healed even long after Deltarune ends
>>4059035>they wouldve benefited from doing a deltarune fangame filled with OCs instead of deltarune in some games and AUsThat's what I meant, I don't want them to touch UTY or DRY (although that last amalgamate series they made was alright all things considered), just make an original cast set in a DR-like world with the gameplay and everything, no need to reuse Kris and Susie and Noelle when we don't know everything about their characters yet (and not even Toby seems to know what he is doing since he "bastardized" those characters so much compared to their early game versions)
>>4059041She's pretty, but the long body is one of the main appeals of snakes, she can't coil around anything with her lenght
>>4059015>So Deltatraveler is fucking dead then?Its dead and "inter dream" is wearing its corpse as a skinsuit.
>>4059022>I mean, not really.nta, but it rolls off the tongue a lot better than Inter Dream
>>4059043>UTY or DRYRemember when they announced that "Deltatraveler Yellow" thing? Imagine if it actually released, Kanako and Clover as sibblings would be seen as the default in the fandom
>>4059042>the princess gag was a bit about how he's struggling between his own wants/desires and how he's supposed to have a doormat personality>fandom: "OH MY HECKIN GOSH HE'S A TRANNY!!!"i really, really hate these people.
>>4059044idk why but i find both short snake characters and long snake characters hot so, eh.>>4059042hopefully deltarune deconfirms transei so that other fangamers dont do this>>4059043the last amalgamate thing was ok i just dont want my cole x kanako stuff to get in the crossfire of the utdr fandom, i would prefer a deltarune cyan or deltarune green instead
Stop deadnaming it, the game transitioned and goes by "Inter Dream" now, and its more happy than ever thanks to it
>>4059041She's built like a leech.
>>4059048You're pretty optimistic about how well liked it would've been. This is RynoGG we're talking about. It would've been CATHARTIC.
>>4059050>i really, really hate these people.Blame Toby, he's even doing it in the latest chapter.
>>4059059>You're pretty optimistic about how well liked it would've been.Anon, Deltatraveler is beloved outside of here, its often cited as a fangame with good writing, I'm serious, people joked about Sans saying that line, but a lot of people thoughthe was unironically well written and that the update made him a worse character
>>4059053deltarune interdream yellow isnt a thing yet so
>>4059054You think Quetzali makes her feel insecure about her lenght? Being a snakelet must be hard
>>4059052>hopefully deltarune deconfirms transei so that other fangamers dont do thisI doubt they will confirm it, but I'm sure they will play with the idea even more in the next chapters
Man it's deceptively hard to draw poorly in mspaint while having it still look, appealing.
>>4059072Whoever are the artists working on SwapFell they are pretty good at it, most of the stuff on the overworld looks like shitty mspaint scribbles, but you can tell they are pretty skilled artists during the cutscenes.
>honey mizzlesimagine...
>>4059076honilk...
>>4059076a sickly sweet, thick miss mizzle that feels sugary no matter where you kiss her... nggh...
>>4059063People to this day still say the original DRY weird route is better than the current one, I assume they are mostly kids that just want to genoslide the darkners
>>4058980That is very childish and a massive waste of time for everyone involved, but the team seems to be comprised of literal children so I'm not surprised.
>>4059084>but the team seems to be comprised of literal children so I'm not surprised.Anon, I'm pretty sure the lead dev is in their mid to late twenties, and it's most likely the same for the rest of the team.In this fandom you can never be too sure, Shufag is a grown adult and so is the artist that made Delta gold
>>4059082Who are these people? What is the source of these claims?
>>4059102They sometimes post on gamejolt and reddit
>>4059109>GamejoltOh so they're retarted.Well they can just wait for 7B to give them GENOKINO.
>>4059082imagine a DRY twisted route
>>4059073Yeah I was trying to makehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2suj6q_gMEBut it's completely beyond my ability to like, do that in a manner that is aesthetically pleasing to meYou can have some concept art I did to try and iron out ideas for itMaybe I'll come back to it if I'm not totally exhausted.
>>4059076We had this discussion before. Her name is Miss Drizzle. She's on the "thicker" side, but she still knows she's the definition of feminine beauty.
Envision the CH5B lake scene but with Cole pounding some heavy JUANDICE into Sadie.
>>4059139>there's nothing sexual going on>its just cole explaining law to sadie after she was caught being the outlaw
>>4059127Everyone is here!>do that in a manner that is aesthetically pleasing to meWell to me it looks very aesthetically pleasing.>>4059129Take care anon, don't become Toby Fox.
>>4059127Oh shit Reynault
>>4059127Would Bradley have a truck?
>>4059136oh yeah i remember that conversation now.i memoryholed it because i like the regular mizzles more and think "miss drizzle" isnt too good of a name for a honey miss mizzle.
>>4059149would you prefer miss jizzle instead? be comfortable with the fact UTY's miss mizzle is potentially hot as fuck as is
>>4059151alright then. using a restaurant dark world as the base, >honey mizzle > hun>shrine spirits. appearing short and pump, they simply tend to the dark world's shrines (the shrines are the condiment racks on tables)>while normally docile, they attack the party on the assumption that they are there to disgrace the shrines>honey miss mizzle > hunee>an overgrown hun that believes herself to be the leader, as is CLEARLY evident by her taller and more shapely body. (in reality she's just forcing a different shape using her power as a strong darkner)>opposite to miss mizzle, she starts outside of her container and then retreats into it when her focus falters enough that she might lose control of her shape and revert into a taller hun>hates being ignored, so everyone listens to her begrudgingly.>cuptain > buzzlite>bee-hoplite themed darkners formed off of coasters, they take it upon themselves to assist huns tempted to use this for DRY2 actually, but it'd probably just be huns to not be too much of a retread of CH4's situation.
>>4058181A post made just for me
>>4059161They could be H(oney)izzles and Miss Hizzle could be a DJ, since the resort is a music venue.It could be a way to tie back into them being singers but they rap instead.Miss Hizzle could have her attack on a record she scratches back and forth to rotate the bullets
https://youtu.be/04vovU4xpMA
>>4059092I know of the lead being an adult but I swear I read some profiles of people who contributed being underaged, my mistake then. Still, even 20 something year olds online these days seem to be just as idiotic and petty; its not a good attitude to have when it comes to creative endeavors like these IMO
>>4059042This shit is going to splinter the Deltarune fandom harder than what Strive Bridget did to the Guilty Gear fandom if it becomes canon. There are going to be actual, almost physical walls separating parts of the fandom and you won't be allowed to cross them without being ostracized. At least with Guilty Gear you can just play the game without having to talk to the other person, but any fan product, whether art or games etc., would have to pick a side.
>>4059173It appeals to both transsexuals and feminists - the vast majority of the fandom outside here* - so you're wrong. The seethe will be completely limited to 4chan, like every other leftist thing about Toby Fox and his fans.Unless you're thinking of the opposite case where trans Ralsei gets canonically deconfirmed later, but then you're also wrong because the fans* will just suck it up in a "guess we can't have everything we want" way.*-the vocal fans, that is. There are plenty of non-vocal non-leftists, but they'll either conform or leave without a single complaint.
>>4059127That's a pretty cute drawing anon nice job
>>4059127The motherfuckin Bradwagon can fit everyone, hell yeah.
Damn, I wish the characters in the pic were related to UT or DR stuff in any way cause this is the best breast squish I've drawn to date I think. But since I finished it, might be able to squeeze the Valravn idea I had in before my trip. hmm...
Not an rpg
>>4059186These are role playing fangames. So they are RPG.
>>4059177I'm afraid to mention this in any capacity at the risk of causing a political derail but feminists don't automatically like trans stuff, and even if trans allies label them "TERFs" to try and make them sound nonstandard it doesn't make support trans people the default feminist positions. There's a LOT more "drop the T" leftists than you might think, they're just silent because doing something as innocuous as playing the new Harry Potter game risks getting you doxxed
>>4059205It's a matter of a sliding scale of a work being pro-feminist. If it turns out that Kris is a nonbinary woman and Ralsei will transition into a woman then that's a lot more pro-feminist than Kris being biologically and Ralsei both biologically and mentally male - all four "good guys that will save the world (assuming Noelle will be on their side and the world will be saved) being fully or mostly female is a very strong feminist message and also retroactively turns the entire Deltarune into a full yuri work. Even women and their simps that are annoyed by trans folks' privileged protected status would consider that a big win.
>>4059186technically the fangames have actual stats and RPG elements compared to the source material, thus making them more RPG like than UT/DR proper
I am once again asking if anyone has pictures of martlet's talons please and thank you.
Finally got around to playing wildfire's combat demo. It was pretty neat even if I do still suck ass at bullet hell gameplay to the point where I died like three times to assumedly the first fight in the game
>>4059259Here's several images of Martlet and Zenith Martlet's talons.I put them in litterbox as I'm assuming you'll only be using the images temporarily.https://litter.catbox.moe/8e6g2jmu2mo6jjdk.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/2di1rhcu2fv6m21h.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/ub87k58xdazqnug6.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/fwerfkla5s2sjfmb.png
>>4059318Here's the third litterbox image again, as the link expired. Didn't realize I misclicked the duration.Other links are fine.https://litter.catbox.moe/eod5le5lulpljbw2.png
Spent some more time trying to learn that milky tracker thing last night and it feels like trying to pull a wire through my brain matter. Every time I learn something and go to do a thing I think I can do, it doesnt work the way I expect. I may be retarded. Im gonna pull up more guides tonight or tomorrow but I want to scream at god.
>>4058679Fuck it, put a DRY1 trailer together and then put "Chapters 1 and 2 available to play now" at the end
>>4059127I think it looks pretty good. You could always just do part of it if the whole thing is too much.
>>4059161I don't think the retread is a problem if its clever. Maybe split the difference and just have the hun and hunee enemies.
>>4059142Boring
>>4059173>>4059177Tralsei is actually rather controversial in other parts of the fanbase. Even on reddit.
>>4059173>This shit is going to splinter the Deltarune fandom harder than what Strive Bridget did to the Guilty Gear fandom if it becomes canon.I for one welcome the Deltarune fangame warlord period
>>4059177I've even seen people in the wider fandom hating on tansei. My current guess is its fags and non-trannie cross dressers who are opposed to it, since they want a guy and not a "girl".
>>4059447Anyone here with video editing skills could do it. Does anyone have those?
>>4059477If Galsei ever becomes a thing, criticizing it would be the quickest way to get black listed from the fandom wider fandom
>>4059415>I may be retarded.Don't let those thoughts win, anon everyone feels like that once in a while, or at least I think they do, because I had to deal with that more than once while practicing writing.
>>4059477I could definitely see that. I've known a few gay people who were outspoken about things like that.
>>4059524you're right, sorry. I'm gonna keep at it, I just hate this impenetrable wall feeling. Every time I learn something that seems like it's going to help me, only to find none of it makes the sounds I'm expecting I just want to bang my head on the desk. I hit up a friend for advice and got reccomended to look up videos, which is fair but man fuck.I do think I learned some things, I'm just caught up in my frustration. I'll get there.
>>4059500If the blacklist gets big enough, it stops being a blacklist and becomes a schism.
I'm really not interested in like, this pretend war going on between fangames and deltarune proper, or like, hypothetical ways deltarune will fumble (the pornography that currently does and will exist after being "decanonized" or whatever).Like if we're going to talk about something related to Deltarune potentially messing anything up there could be something remotely related to the actual game, like, the fact that Noelle might genoslide Castletown in chapter 6 means the shadow crystals will not get used.
>>4059621Wouldn't something like that only happen on a hypothetical aborted weird route? It'd be extremely bizzare for a normal route noelle to just go full on postal
>>4059627Not really? The culmination of the weird route is revealing that Noelle is and has always been like that, she just puts up a facade that she isn't.Like the inverse of Susie being mean.
>>4059621While I don't really care about him, I think most of the fanbase will consider it a fumble if Gaster isn't the big boss of the last chapter or 7b. For me, I'll be content with a short blurb akin to a Gman monologue, especially since that seems to be his role in all of this.
>>4059645I really don't think the revelation we're supposed to take from weird route is that Noelle is actually just a turbo schizo under a thin veneer of normalcy like it's american psycho. The read I took is that she absolutely has the capacity and want for this under her nice girl veneer but she's ultimately still a normal person and isn't just going to snap with no buildup.
>>4059659>but she's ultimately still a normal personnoelle literally confirms in the weird run that she's just going through the motions atp, that's why she seems "normal", did you not read the dialogue??
>>4059711I did, Noelle feels trapped in feeling like Noelle and wants an escape, I don't think this means she's just 100% ready to go postal at the absolute drop of a hat no matter what the situation is, though. She simply wants out of the monotony of her life
>>4059713>I don't think this means she's just 100% ready to go postal at the absolute drop of a hat no matter what the situation iswell, duh, she's trapped in feeling like noelle, if she could snap at any moment like that then she wouldn't still be trapped
>>4059721Hence, I do not really think she's going to genocide castle town
>>4059621I can't wait for 7B to give us the Toby approved Omega ASGORE fight (instead of souls it's six flowers)
>>4059761I personally cant wait for last breath toriel on 7C
>>4059657I think some of the fans are entering a coping phase where they are starting to pre-emptively state that he's not going to be in to soften the blow for him not being in.
>>4056718More DRY Cole and Sadie sexy times please.
>>4059621Just because its not schizo lore related doesn't mean it isn't a real issue that people care about. Characters are half the appeal of this game.
The furry illuminati has struck again, this time with that one lynx girl from that HMOFA anime.
>>4059886What does that have to do with fangames?
finally got to program this, as I said I've had most of these ideas before chapters 3 and 4 released but many people will still call this chapter derivative in many aspects, will still truck along with my original ideas anyway (though chapter 5 did shape a bit how some of things will be presented like the floating text box)anyway the first few rooms of the dark world are done, finally can start making the first miniboss and the main part of the first half of this dark world (I haven't programmed the regular enemies yet but I've set up their encounter spots)(this clip has some cut elements to not show spoilers)also I've decided to make the main diag font remain as it is but turn on MSDF for the menu fonts so they will look smoother but dialogue will remain pixely
>>4059621>I'm really not interested in like, this pretend war going on between fangames and deltarune proper, or like, hypothetical ways deltarune will fumbleWhat you don't the ten billion posts about how toby victimized whoever the hell in this thread?>>4059799I think a lot of the fans really lost sight of the fact that in the game, gaster is effectively an easter egg. He's not the mystery that the game is focusing on.
>>4059897Oh cool
>>4059890Nothing, but I know there are some people here who wish to keep an eye on such secret societies, when the time comes round again.
>>4059897neat, I like how it's different from both Naranja, and chapter 5. I'm assuming that it's contra inspired with the jumps, the rocks, and assuming where this all takes place.I also was watching and wondering if kanako would comment on you falling to the bottom.>will still truck along with my original ideas anywayglad to hear that anon. I'm looking forward to it.
>>4059897We got platforming in DRY too now? Nice
>>4059897I've become pretty tired of platforming segments. I think the gimmick has thoroughly worn out its welcome. My feelings aside, that platforming looks a little floaty. I've have to play it to know for sure, but it seems like it would be from the footage.
>>4056718draw chujin giving starlo cbt
>>4059899Fans didn't lose sight of anything. You've lost sight of how every little thing in chapter 1 (and I do mean *every* *little* *thing*) was related to him in some way. It was hyping the hell out of him, and it never directly mentioning him only served to hype him more since not being mentioned by name is his whole gimmick. Every song has his motif in it, the intro is all him, the tree, darkness, everyman, all caps DEVICE stuff, 666 showing up in the installer program, a lot of the song titles. It'd be easier to point to parts that weren't in some way connected to Gaster.
>>4059957Gaster sent sans to fuck kris' mom
>>4059960Unironically he might have.
>>4059621the more I think about it, no one was really talking about >I'm really not interested in like, this pretend war going on between fangames and deltarune proper, or like, hypothetical ways deltarune will fumbleuntil you brought it up>>4059899>What you don't the ten billion posts about how toby victimized whoever the hell in this thread?and no one was really doing this.Feels more like you just wanted to start that kind of conversation since it wasn't already going on.
>>4059960And he created DRY so Clover and Kanako can be together as a coupleHe giveth and he taketh
>>4059975He's going to put clover and kanako in the new deltatraveler thing too
>>4059950>I think the gimmick has thoroughly worn out its welcomehas it really been in anything other than ch 5 and naranja? I guess paper mario but that games platforming hardly feels like actual platforming, if that makes any sense.
>>4059980>has it really been in anything other than ch 5 and naranja? I was referring to those. It was fine in Naranja, tolerable in DR, but I never want to see it again in a fangame. I might go so far as to say I'm tired of gameplay gimmicks as a concept entirely, and never want to see one again at all. At least gameplay gimmicks that aren't related to the normal bullet dodging.
>>4059978>deltartravellerIts Dess's edgy fanfiction, not Gaster's
>>4059985you say it like she currently isn't under the payroll of the funny hands man
>>4059987But he made her scrap it because it was too CATHARTIC. It called interdream now (she inter dreemurs if you what I mean)
>>4059984>I might go so far as to say I'm tired of gameplay gimmicks as a concept entirely, and never want to see one again at all. At least gameplay gimmicks that aren't related to the normal bullet dodging.I see, strikes me as a personal hangup. undertale and deltarune have always been somewhat gimmicky with minigames and various shenanigans.
>>4059984>I might go so far as to say I'm tired of gameplay gimmicks as a concept entirelyThat sounds too extreme, I thought the platforming in Deltarune overstayed its welcome but I didn't mind the climbing from Chapter 4, I think its fine if the fangames want to try their hand at different gameplay mechanics, otherwise you would be left with only puzzles for the overworld.
Watch DR chapter 6 be an RTS
>>4059994I think it can be balanced out if the actual normal rpg part of it feels more relevant. The lack of relavence of actual fighting in Deltarune makes the gimmicks carrry more of the weight so I can see why anon would be a bit more annoyed
>>4060002>I thought the platforming in Deltarune overstayed its welcome but I didn't mind the climbing from Chapter 4I didn't much care for the climbing either. >otherwise you would be left with only puzzles for the overworld.I think I would prefer that.>>4059994Yeah, they've had it, but I think Deltarune has gone too far with them, and fangames have copied them. Fangames need to (or rather I think they should) correct by moving in the opposite direction and having less new gameplay styles with less development. Maybe a fun minigame here or there, but not a whole chapter dominated by an entirely different gameplay style like chapter 4 or chapter 5.
>>4060007Watch it be an FPS.Jokes aside, I think the highest likelihood is it being a dungeon crawler. Would work for scares, probably wouldn't be fun for people who liked the regular gameplay unless it was really dumbed down, and is an idea multiple fangame devs have had here.
>>4060007No, make it a CRPG we need something slower after going through two types of platforming
>>4060012I think a Dungeon RPG could fit the style unironically
>>4060015Make it a diablo-like dungeon crawler with tons of irrelevant loot so the experience can be as shitty as possible
>>4060009>Yeah, they've had it, but I think Deltarune has gone too far with themI think ch5 implemented it's poorly, and I personally disagree on the climbing, I felt that was nailed properly. You're by all means, entitled to your opinion but I feel like it's an overcorrection.As far as you mentioning the floatiness, I'm still assuming its contra inspired which had a bit floatier jumping.
>>4060017diablo like games are action rpgs(the old signifier for it, at least), aren't they? A dungeon RPG is something closer to like might and magic, early persona games, etrian odddesy, etc.
>>4060011for DRY2 i actually do intend to make a few chapters more dungeon like in layout.after DRY2, i want to make a zeldalike featuring a fox girl (the monster girl kind, not the furry kind)
>>4060007That would be more fit for DRYIt would be like starcraft>Xenomorph Queen Sadiestica - zergs>Baron Coalcho - humans>Flash Gorgon Gizmo - protoss
>>4060019I know diablo-likes are a different subgenre from regular dungeon crawlers.Anyway, I think a good chunk of the fandom would see the dungeon crawler gameplay as a "step down" compared to the climbing and platforming, since that's a more niche genre
>>4060022Kanako's Tenna...
>>4060025You say it like the fandom wouldn't eat up whatever toby throws at them as long as it has cool presentation
>>4060024DRY definitely should have a gameplay section based on classic Doom, give Cole a super shotgun and let him rip and tear titan spawns
>>4060022I had a similar idea for that hypothetical Oldentale sequel idea I toyed with. I don't have any plans to use, but the fact that multiple fangame devs here had the same idea makes me think Toby likely also had the idea.
>>4060022>spoilerCoward.Anyway, I would be interested in seeing your project, it looks like all the devs here already have plans for other games once they finish making their respective fangames.
>>4060024It seems to me the factions split would probably be different and draw from multiple RTS's. Gauncho's forces would probably be a cross between the Imperium from 40k and the Empire from Star Wars. Sadie's forces would be Zerg. And Gizmo's would be very retro sci fi themed, though maybe they'd still play like Protoss. Or more likely they'd all play the same and just look different, since this is just a gameplay gimmick in a different genre of game.
>>4060035surely you cant do an rts spoof without an age of empires repp
>>4060012Chapter 7 will be an eroge
>>4060038this, but you play as the annoying dog and force all the girls in DR to have lesbian sex with each other
>>4060038chapter 5 already had a dating sim moment.
>>4060035>>4060036How do you implement a RTS minigame/gimmick stage? Platformers are one of the easiest game genres to make so adding a platforming section isn't *that* hard, but a RTS? even a basic one?
DRN Quetzali chapter will be factorio
>>4060032Nta, but I've had ideas for games for years and still get them frequently. Just yesterday, I had the idea for some space warship RPG where you play a captain in some evil space empire just as it collapses into a warlord period. Of course, it would include the ability to romance alien nobility so you can have justification to declare them a "legitimate successor state".
>>4060045What's even the connection between those two? Besides the autism of course.Anyway an hypothetical Deltarune Naraja should have a beat 'em up section somewhere.
>>4060045Seems like Metroidvanias would be more her speed, with all the exploration.
>>4060049>a new game idea>immediately devolves into fucking monstersHmofabros...
>>40600523D platformers too, because of all the weird glitches and OOB stuff that goes in Mario 64 speedruns and the like
>>4060045Slender segment where you have to collect 8 pages
>>4060049>but I've had ideas for games for years and still get them frequently.Me too, I've been writing down ideas for potential games for almost a decade now, with some luck a few of them will see the light of day, those ideas still can be implemented in some other project even if the main game never gets made.>Of course, it would include the ability to romance alien nobility so you can have justification to declare them a "legitimate successor state".Never miss the chance to add some hmofa heh? I can't blame you, sometimes I do the same.
>>4060053>devolvesI think you mean "evolves". There's no higher improvement a work can have than going from including monsters to fucking monsters. Besides, imperialism isn't complete without partaking in the local delicacies.
>>4060053We're all monsterfuckers here, anon. We may have shat on women for wanting their cock milking farm novellas but that's really just to hide that we all want to milk minotaur tits ourselves
>>4060050She probably excels at physics and is a fan of NASA (nice anthro space agency) due to her exploration interest. Her dark world would have a celestial object (based on a lamp in LW) where the main villain is located and is only accessible by building a rocket to it.
>>4060057>Never miss the chance to add some hmofa heh?What can I say? I'm a man of specific tastes.
>>4060052she'd probably absolutely love the kind of sequence breaking that super metroid had. That shit is like crack but to someone who's obsessed with exploration? fugettaboutit
>>4060052Platforming gimmick is already like a Metroidvania though. Toby even compared it to hollow knight
>>4060061>NASA (nice anthro space agency)Does the agency discriminate against ferals?
>>4060066Make it a 3d platformer metroidvania like Pseudoregalia then
>>4060066Well then she gets the normal gameplay gimmick, but with large open ended levels.
>>4060069Would val be pantless because it's pseudoregalia?
>>4060032were i a coward, instead of sticking with what i like i'd pander to furries since they're the biggest group.
>>4060074Quetzali would cover for both because she doesn't wear clothes in her snake form, either that or Val's dark world design is already pantless because he has a gladiator skirt or something like that.
>>4060067That's what Quetzali thinks it deciphers as...
>>4060078I'd actually argue people who like monster girls are the biggest group, it's just that monster girl dedicated spaces aren't as much of a thing. Less autistic because it's more of a normal thing to like
>>4060081>Val has a skirtToby...
>>4060078You're a coward because anime girls with accessories are lame compared to actual anthros.>i'd pander to furries since they're the biggest group.Weebs are a bigger group than furries, just look at Umamusme, their designs are basic anime girls with horse ears and they are super popular.
>>4060074Funny you would bring that game up. My next pic with zenmart will feature one of the outfits from it.
>>4060078How does a monster girl differ from a furry one aside from lore?Is it just a human with fox ears strapped to them?
Honestly i'm fine with monster girls as long as it's not literally just some ears and maybe a tail. At least give em paws or something
>>4060085>>4060089a coward would kneel before you, i shall still stick with my tastes.>>4060091>bothfluffy tails and fox ears>foxgirl (furry)skin is fur, has a snout>foxgirl (monster)skin is flesh, human facetails are fluffier and bigger than furry fox tails in most cases.
>>4060094To me, the head is the most important part, her body can be that of a feral animal, but if her face is too humanoid then that's an instant turn off for me
>>4060097Cole...>>4060101Kris...
>>4060097>tails are fluffier and bigger than furry fox tails in most cases.I mean that's generally because they're supposed to be Kitsune as opposed to just an anthropromorphic fox. I've seen plenty of anthro kitsune that have large tails
>>4060081>Dark World Val
>>4060104Fake, Cole loves Kanako's tail and would never downplay its fluffiness.
>>4060106Thinking about this a bit and designwise I think you're forced to make the tails huge when you're designing a kitsune. If you don't, like half of the tails will just be covered by her back and it'll look weird. A bunch of normal sized tails in general would look really goofy as opposed to the imposing or reagal look multiple tails give, so it really is just a "what is this thing based on" as opposed to furry or nonfurry. I've seen a few fox girls in gacha and the like and their tails are pretty normal sized when there's only one(assuming they even have one, with a lot of monster girls even having a tail is considered optional and it's infuriating)
>>4060097I just can't with human faces, even IRL human faces I find disgusting to look at. Just wish artists actually drew fur and not painted skin in 90% of the cases (those Catty images some anon was posting at the end of the DR threads lately comes to mind, she looks like like a obese pig with greasy skin than an actual fluffy anthro)
>>4060127Chara...
>>4059950>>4059984>>4060009DRY was always planned to have short sidescrolling segments like the clip, I even mentioned it when naranja first shared the first sidescrolling clips therethe difference is that in DRY those are just like the overworld bullet dodging segments, pretty short and not multi room segments like DR ch 5 did. there is a reason they work the way they are it is due to the influence of the integrity soul
>>4060131That doesn't really change my position.
>>4060131Glad to hear that you're sticking to your guns on the idea, I think we just had a conversation about devs abandoning their ideas because toby got done first
>>4060097I do not think you are a coward. I just think that you are weaker than me if you are not omnivorous I will fuck the syreen yes, but also the yehat, and even the supox. Especially the Supox.not the Umgah though, not because they are balls of flesh, but because they are annoying.
>>4060156I have no idea what any of those things are
>>4060156A man who wants to bang Star Control aliens is a bold man indeed.
>>4060158alien races from star control. I referred to that because it has everything from blatant "space babes" (Syreen), furries (shofixti) and "some manner of creature lady" (supox), and everything in between. also great reference material for some very varied characters in how the races are depicted. lets hope the devs actually finish that sequel now that they have the rights.
>>4060158They're aliens from Star Control. The Syreen are basically just Star Trek blue people. The Yehat are feral pterodactyls. And the Supox are green masses of tentacles with a face. Star Control has a lot of out there alien designs.
>>4060163fair enough then I can respect wanting to fuck actually alien aliens. I personally tire of the space babes finding romance content with alien girls who aren't just space babes is stupidly hard(when people aren't just reccomending Snekguy's stuff for the 15th time, at least)
>>4060160Where no man has gone before. I will not be stopped. The slave shields shall not stop me, just as the barrier would not stop me in undertale.
>>4060175To be fair I don't think the barrier seems to stop you from entering, does it?
>>4060172sadly there isn't romance with the stranger races (game came out in 92 to be fair), though the syreen do say some saucy things to you iirc. It has never dawned on me until this very moment to look and see if there are star control fanfictions righting this wrong. looks like there are exactly 52 fics. I will perform some research.But yeah, I like normal stuff, but the common mans imagination has limits.Yehat are the best race for the recordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOE-vVuBXKEI can't reccomend it enough from the perspective of off the wall character writing that remains endearing. >>4060183That is a good point. I guess the risk of never seeing my home again is there but, I do what I must.for romance.
>>4060188on the one hand, you could try the theory of you and your monster wife attempting to go through the barrier hand in hand, given that's technically a human and a monster soulOn the other hand, asgore's sitting right in front of the barrier exit, so good luck with that
>>4060191>On the other hand, asgore's sitting right in front of the barrier exit, so good luck with thatAsgore's a weenie, he won't try shit, much less if anon is holding hands with his monster gf at the moment
>>4060191>on the one hand, you could try the theory of you and your monster wife attempting to go through the barrier hand in hand, given that's technically a human and a monster soulit would be hilarious, if all of this time they were simply assuming that the soul had to be absorbed and that would work all along>On the other hand, asgore's sitting right in front of the barrier exit, so good luck with thatI'd at least ask him to let me give it a try before I tried forcing the point, assuming he didn't just let me live in peace with my monster wife/if my monster wife wanted to try it.>>4060200I think there's a sprite for asgore with his eyes bulging out of his head that would be perfect for his expression as we simply leave the underground hand in hand.
>>4060204To be fair I don't think the issue is the exact logistics of how human and monster soul interaction works to bypass the barrier as opposed to the fact that Asgore's kind of promised war to keep up the spirits of the people of the underground so he kind of HAS to kill you. I'm sure he's considered the possibility that that's a thing, but he kind of cant give up by this point after so many kids have died by his hand
>>4060209true, but he also wants out of that situation REALLY badly I think, so maybe if it was proposed there was another way like"hey man, there are so many people that would love to get with a monster on the surface now. if this works there's literally going to be a person that wants to come down here for every monsteryes, even the moldsmalls."From there it's a roll of the dice. good chance he just sticks to his guns sure but, I mean if he's being presented "secret third option" then hey we got this.Also one last note on the star control thing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZ75L36m74the spathi of all aliens really feel like they'd be at home in undertale.
>>4060209This is an opportunity for peace being presented to him. One presented by a monster and a human no less. He'd be a fool to refuse.
>>4060214I like the Spathi because they're the only reasonable ones in the setting. Being confined to one planet is perfectly fine. Kinda like my views on the underground, actually.
What if Martlet spoke exactly like a Yehat?
>>4060234I think it's just a perspective thing for the monsters. They've been corraled and imprisoned in here, no matter how nice the prison is going to be it's always going to seem worse than the outside.
>>4060236still would, though we know there are girl yehats so I'm going to picture her voice being higher pitch.>>4060234are you forgetting about the species wide paranoia that afflicts the spathi? All it would take is one umgah trick during a ur quan visit to convince them that "THE ULTIMATE EVIL" got locked in the barrier with them and they'd be just as fucked mentally as ever before.
>>4060237You at least have to see my point on the planet thing though, right? Being trapped on Earth is pretty nice. A lot nicer than being "free" in space.
>>4060241nta but honestly no. The thought of space travel has appealed to me since i was a child. Even if nothing's out there, it's so very beautiful. even if the technology to go far enough to meet something can't exist, it's still something I dream of.Then there's the issue with condemning a whole species to your choice because you feel that way when you could have just stayed home.
>>4060241being forcibly trapped anywhere would suck. People generally dislike being forced into a place even if it's nice. People generally like freedom of movement
>>4060244>Then there's the issue with condemning a whole species to your choice because you feel that way when you could have just stayed home.The issue with that is that there is no "just stay home" if they go out. Not only because of indirect things like involvement in galactic politics and the open border between space and Earth. But also because of the very direct issue of the Ur-Quan ultimatum. Either you become their slaves, and abandon Earth, or you stay on Earth exclusively.There's also the issue that space really really sucks to be in. Its about as un-free of an environment as you can get, because you aren't designed to exist in it. I treat being an astronaut like being a war hero, its a fun fantasy, but something I would never want to actually be. >>4060246You're forcibly trapped on Earth right now. Basically every law of nature, physics, and economics has conspired to make it impossible for you to leave here. And even if you did leave, you would just be trapped in a much more restrictive space colony or space ship, solely at the mercy of whoever runs it, with nowhere to escape to and no way to leave.
All this platformer/alternate genre minigame talk made me think, have we ever had an actual scrolling shmup section besides Mettaton's cooking minigame in Undertale (or Omega/Meta Flowey if you want to stretch it)? Like, a full multi-minute-long stage section followed by a boss? It would probably be the smallest departure from normal gameplay but it would be structured so differently from a standard battle that I think it could offer novelty as a recurring chapter gimmick. Would probably work best in a DRY take where Cole doesn't need any explanation to go into Justice Soul mode but you could find a justification in any game I'm sure
>>4060249There's still a possibility that I can go to space, though. I'm not 100% objectively forcibly locked to earth forevermore in the same way that the monsters inside of the barrier are 100% locked inside of there and they cant even really realistically dream of leaving
>>4060253A monster getting a human soul or Asgore getting the last one is more likely than you either being rich enough to buy your way into space permanently or in good enough mental and physical shape to be an astronaut.
>>4056718An anon with a crushed pelvis after thinking they could have sex with Zenith Martlet without having to worry about getting any injuries.
>>4060249>But also because of the very direct issue of the Ur-Quan ultimatum. Either you become their slaves, and abandon Earth, or you stay on Earth exclusively.alright but if you're dealing with the Ur Quan then there's the issue of having absolutely no hand in your fate if the Kzer-za lose. that's just handing your fate over, and we KNOW how that ends up. the Kor-ah win eventually, and honestly they'd probably have won in one of the cycles eventually even without the shofixti because either eventually something like that was going to happen, or eventually they'd manage to outplay their bretheren. Remember, the slave shielded races die too because the Kohr-ah have the tech to break the shields (which also poses the question, does someone else in the galaxy have that tech?)>either you become their slaves, and abandon Earth, or you stay on Earth exclusively.there's a misunderstanding Anon. You become Slaves in either choice. The fallow slaves have to provide resources. I don't remember where exactly it's mentioned. It's 2 shitty options but one nearly guarantees your death/extinction eventually.>There's also the issue that space really really sucks to be in. Its about as un-free of an environment as you can get, because you aren't designed to exist in it. I treat being an astronaut like being a war hero, its a fun fantasy, but something I would never want to actually be. I would love it. It's fine that you wouldn't, but genuinely it's one of the scariest things I think I'd be willing to face. I love the planet I'm on (well, it's got it's positive points) but I also want to see the stars.Honestly you have a more convincing point without the Ur quan involved because then you don't have the guillotine hanging over your head that we all know is coming.
>>4060251>All this platformer/alternate genre minigame talk made me think, have we ever had an actual scrolling shmup section besides Mettaton's cooking minigame in Undertalegood question anon, actually I'd love to know because it feels like it should be obvious but I've never seen something like that made.Maybe because typically that involves killing the enemies which more than half of this series fans are allergic to.
>>4060251MewMew Love Blaster?
>>4060254I can still realistically send satellites to space or participate in a lot of space adjacent things even if i'm not physically going to space. Monsters really don't even get that, they at best get whatever washes down into the underground and that's it. It's a matter of perspective as opposed to realistic limits. I haven't been forcibly trapped here by some other species to never reach space it's just limits of tech
>>4060260nta but I guess I skipped that in my head since it's a game within a game.
>>4060251I think it might be too similar to the regular game which is why no one seems that interested in implementing it. MewMew Love Blaster is the closest we have to that.
>>4060261>I haven't been forcibly trapped here by some other species to never reach space...as far as you know
>>4060266FUCK, truly we have been the undertales this whole time. Also as a side note, the glow of that fucking slave shield sucks. would ruin hobby astronomy.
>>4060266I mean if that was true they sure haven't done much to stop us sending stuff (and people) to space so maybe they forgot about us
>>4060256also, something easy to forget. when you agree to become a fallow slave to the ur quan, they also nuke like half of your planet.Honestly drawing the monster comparison its fitting because of how much history monsterkind probably lost having to leave everything behind.
>>4060269Maybe they just forgor to keep an eye on us, or they won't take action until we leave the solar system
>>4060273>>4060269>earth is actually the size of the solar system, and t he earth we know is just a mini earth inside of the hollow earth. when we get outside the solar system it will be like exiting a cave...story
>>4060275The solar system is actually surrounded by a barrier that can only be broken with the power of 7 alien souls
>>4060277>out there somewhere is an alien who wishes humans were real>and then even further out there's anti spirals that wish aliens were real and so on.
>>4060278>Its a cosmic horror novel, look inside?>Inside is an alien romance novel>Inside is a cosmic horror novel>Inside is an alien romance novel>You decide to stop
>>4060279Fuck, I can see that kind of thing showing up in a game.
>>4060279whats the point of making cosmic horror beyond comprehension if you cant fuck them, after all. Everyone who goes insane trying to comprehend them is a pussy, I can comprehend my intent to bang them just fine
>>4060282This anon is a *happy camper*
Wiki on yonder Nozhttps://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#21994
>>4060314Yes, we see the fit Wiki
>>4060314This looks like a shot from the Oldentale anime opening
>>4060314chunni as fuck also i see someone else there.
someone off-site hath graced us with Sadie art.the corset is a nice touch.
>>4060343Sadie doesn't get too much art. nice to see.
>>4060345She'll get more once she becomes more relevant in the story
>>4060348Probably yeah. Will be neat seeing this character that was once a one off one moment character have her actual role.
>>4060321hoooooooh, u-rac-cha deska...
>>4060343very 2000s deviantart, I like it
>>4059968You are talking to two different people. Please put the fucking victim complex down.
>>4060426Subtitles? I don't speak rice language.
>>4060428I didn't say it wasn't two different people. Either post I was replying to was being nonsensical acting like something was going on that really wasn't.weird response.
>>4060428>victim complex
>>4060430"My dearest comrade Racter Oldentale, a ningen child wandered into base camp and wiped out half of our troops with a spoon. Get that tall goat lady you've been cracking and get the hell out of dodge"
>>4060438Arigato, anon-san (thank you very much, anon, my esteemed comrade)
>>4060314Does Wiki like to think she's cool?
>>4060453No, she just is
>>4060097What if the fox girl has a snoot but human flesh or a fur covered body but a flat face and human nose
>>4060462>snoot but human fleshabomination>fur covered body but a flat face and human nosekemono (japanese style furry)
>>4060462>What if the fox girl has a snoot but human fleshLike a hairless cat or dog breed. Still anthro, I've seen anthros of those.>a fur covered body but a flat face and human noseIn an anime art style, its kemono, which is still anthro. In a realistic style, its the Cats musical.
My college campus was giving out free stress balls that are just little red heart things, and the actual shape of it only occurred to me once I already brought it home.
>>4060496they just hand out [heart shaped objects] these days huh? with how popular ut/dr got, I wonder if just maybe they picked that on purpose.
>>4060498>they just hand out [heart shaped objects] these days huh?They had a full table of them, free for the taking. Bet Asgore could've used that.>spoilerEh, I wouldn't bet on it, probably just a coincidence.
>>4060505Wow, it has the ominous glow and everything.
>>4060505>Bet Asgore could've used that.>asgore just breaking down because they literally hand out souls for free on the surface. the moral question was nullified because the humans just dont give a shit. you want 20? sure!>Eh, I wouldn't bet on it, probably just a coincidence.ah yeah probably. I just imagine a lot of people who grew up with undertale must be college age now.
>>4060512It is weirdly bright to look at, despite not being luminescent, obviously.I'm gonna go put it in a box and forget about it probably.
>>4060519>I'm gonna go put it in a box and forget about it probably.put it on a jar or a cage, you don't wanna have that thing moving around when you can't see it
>>4060505can't believe you facedoxxed me
>>4060519Put it in a jar.
>>4060525No, anon, that's clearly a picture of (me).
im tired but first, have this bit idea i had for DRY2 that im not using>Rosa: "this reminds me of that time [some nonsensical bullshit]">...>Cole: "was... something supposed to happen?">R: "a cutaway gag.">C + Mylo: "what.">R: "y'know. you say something like that and everyone suddenly has a flashback to it." >...>R: "i swear im not crazy. i dont know why it didnt work this time">M: "dont worry, our opinion of you cant get any lower"the punchline would be that she actually does execute a cutaway gag later in the dark world and nobody comments on it.
>>4060537>the punchline would be that she actually does execute a cutaway gag later in the dark world and nobody comments on it.heh, I was wondering if it might go this way. maybe she'd bring it up later and everyone would act like nothing happened.
>>4060537That was kind of funny.>the punchline would be that she actually does execute a cutaway gag later in the dark world and nobody comments on it.A dark world centered around cartoon shows? Or just Family Guy?
>>4060541its just rosa's nonsense.
>>4060537Any reason why you decided against using it? That sounds pretty funny.I know I had one joke that I decided not to use in my game>At some point a character puts on a hat that has a magical effect similar to ralsei's hat, inverting his palette to hide from some other characters, one of which is a strawman who strawmans people>He runs into said other characters>Cue character nervously trying to act like he's never met them before>"Wait a minute, doesn't this guy kinda look that guy from earlier?">"I don't see it.">"He looks exactly the same, except he's black.">"Oh, so we should rob him because he's black?">*vine boom*>"No, I don't think we should rob him because he's black">"Oh, so you think we shouldn't rob him.">Third guy cuts in : "I think we shouldn't rob him. Just look at him, he doesn't look like the type of guy that would be carrying anything valuable.">"Oh, so you think he's poor because he's black!">*vine boom*>"No! I- just look at his clothes! They're rags.">"We're getting off topic, he looks the exact same as the guy from earlier. It is obviously the same guy.">"Oh, so they look the same to you">*vine boom*>"No! I mean he looks like he literally just turned his face black">*vine boom*>the characters all stop and look to the left with an annoyed expression>camera pans over>there's a monster with a comically large drum>*vine boom* (is him hitting the drum)>"Do you mind?">"Oh, sorry. Just trying to get my practice in.">the drum guys rolls his comically large drum awayI still think its funny, but its a bit too ironic and racey for Undertale.
>>4060551well, the whole idea with this chapter is that rosa and mylo are one incident away from trying to kill each other, and cole is barely keeping the party together.wouldnt be too good for the pacing to put a cutaway gag in this chapter.as for moving it to another dark world,>rosa's first dark world. mandatory for it to be this one>rosa's other dark worlds are too serious for a cutaway gagi COULD turn it into a light world gag between two chapters, rosa's nonsense is simply her own and not derives from dark world magic.
>>4060551It might work if the character is any other color, like maybe he's blue while the other characters are red, the punchinline with the offscreen drum made me chuckle.Also this reminded me that Lisa The Painful has an actual cutaway gag in the middle of a gameplay section, so this wouldn't be the first time a quirky RPG does something like this.
>>4060555You could make the "cutaway" be a serious flashback. So in the moment its not read as a joke, but later down the line, players will realize that its a cutaway. A little in joke between you and the player that the characters aren't privy to.
>>4060556>It might work if the character is any other color, like maybe he's blue while the other characters are red, the punchinline with the offscreen drum made me chuckle.The joke hinges on it sounding racist.
>>4060557i think it'd work better if its a non-serious cutaway gag with similar setup to the failed one so that more people can get the joke.ontop of that i want the serious flashbacks to stay a justice soul ability, off of that being the gimmick for UTY's final bosses.meanwhile rosa's an smug cunt that doesnt care about the rules, societal or game.
I've got a pretty small update on Naranja, I finally added that overworld shield I talked about, it's meant to give the players more margin of error during the platforming sections and make it so the damage taken in the overworld doesn't affect you as much during the battles. I'll probably add an option to break/transform the shield item, in case you want the extra challenge of having less hp in the overworld, not sure what to give to the players that do that though, other than bragging rights.I'm also in the process of making adjustments to most of the rooms that appeared in the demo, changing the layout of some of them and reworking/replacing others, hopefully it won't take that long, I've already covered half of them, but the ones that are left need the biggest of changes.
>>4060314Very cool stuff anon, nicely done!
>>4060567Cool update, nice to see more progress.Not entirely sure what to make of this shield item, I have some small concerns that it might make taking damage in the overworld less of a problem too effectively, but if the max shield it gives you is 9, and a lot of the obstacles do 4 damage, then it really only protects you from two hits before you start taking real damage to your hp, so it's probably fine. I also appreciate it being specific to the overworld too, that's good.Hope the work isn't being too hard on you.
>>4060567really nice, I just think the number blends too much with the bar so its a bit hard to see
Small update, for anyone who gives a damn.The sketch for this is effectively done, as of tonight, but it won't be done for a while.I'll be gone for a bit too. Funeral to attend.You know how it is.See you later.
>>4060590My condolences anon. The Roba looks nice though.
>>4060343Face and body way too sticc and not wide enough. Tail way too small. 1/10
>>4060427Really has that spirit doesn't it?
>>4056718Patiently going to wait for the Zenith Martlet unbirth game over gif, with Clover's soul in her womb and Flowey giving commentary like you did here with normal Martlet.https://files.catbox.moe/l7v5j9.gif
>>4059318>>4059384Good art, thanks for sharing.>>4059897This is awesome! Doesn't look derivative to me since platforming is sufficiently different from climbing.>>4060127What the heck happened that you hate all human faces?>>4060279I kek'd
>>4060653>What the heck happened that you hate all human faces?He's probably just Ur-Quan
>>4060590I think that you should erase a portion of the line connecting the jaw to the neck, only a small part towards the back, so it gives a better idea that these parts are connected instead of separated.Also sorry for your loss.>>4060653>What the heck happened that you hate all human faces?I was just born damaged.
>>4060590The Roba is looking good, and sorry to hear that.
what is y'all's opinion on Morningstar
>>4060733https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRk5VJydmtw>This game takes inspiration from Halo's Dusttale by Haloboi3.Ehh, I might give it a try just because I'm in a fangames binge, but I'm not into skeletonwank, even if this one seems to be doing something beyond giving you an excuse to fight Sans again.
>>4060733>>4060738I have "horror" fangame fatigue
>>4060590Nice, big hair doesnt want you to know this but roba's robas are free.Also sorry for your loss anon>>4060567Neat. I do have my concerns about how powerful such a shield might be, but its by and far probably for the best to err on the side of really good since most undertale players are pretty shit at vidya
>>4060738>the midnight crew draws nearHomestuck jumpscare
>>4060738Since i'm still relatively new to this whole fandom. Is skelewank really that common in full fangames? I'm not denying the skeletonwank is real, I've seen the fanfic numbers. I just don't see it that often in fangames, but that might just be a perspective thing because I mostly get my fangame news from here
>>4060761>Is skelewank really that common in full fangames?Define "full fangames", if you mean fangames like UTY, no, as far as I know there aren't that many of those, but if you mean single fight fangames that got finished, then those make up like 90% of all Undertale fangames, which is why people here are so tired of skeletonwank.I think there's also the added frustration of Skletonwank being boring on a conceptual level, so seeing it get fangames when other ideas die early is a bit disheartening.
>>4060761Im not sure about "full fangames" because theres such a vanishingly low number of those, but there are probably hundreds if not more single fight to single area games focusing on sans or some version of sans. Its genuinely overwhelming to the point its hard to tell them apart by name alone sometimes.
>>4060761a lot of single battle fangames are just sans battle rehashes where he gets 12983190231 forms and is really edgy with kaizo tier patternsif you mean actual full length games there are none because besides UTY and arguably outertale and overtime, they don't exist since most die in alpha/beta stages
>>4060766Yeah I meant specifically opposed to "game where you fight sans and do literally nothing else" since that would be kind of self evident. More stuff like underfell sans in deltatraveler
>>4060761https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTKKv_aG8ec here is a video showing some of them btw
>>4060771While almost no games have been finished as stated, sans still features heavily a lot in many of the games that go beyond single fight. There are several dusttale adjacent games that attempt to do a whole area with varying degrees of completion, including the one I can never find quickly where theres an alternate mode for playing as the monsters sans is trying to kill.Proportionally in any segment of the ut fandom, theres more overall sans/skelton wank than anything else except maybe dr since its got other things going for it. And even then theres plenty of single fight sans autism ive seen for that.Sure there's nothing wrong with liking the skelton but people do get sick of it being absolutely everywhere
my beautiful monster-hating wife
I believe it's time for DRY1 to have a gamejolt update.
>>4060795update what? the last status update on gamejolt was posted 8 days ago
>>4060801well shit I didn't see that.
>>4060773You know he does make a kind of good point in that people really just slap a lot of undyne the undying's themes onto sans and just kind of forget she exists. Sucks to be her, I guess. Exists to be yuri woman in pacifist, exists to be second fiddle to sans in genocide, and exists to instantly job to the Knight in Deltarune. Being fish is suffering.
>>4060794Holy based.
>>4060794don't you have some high scores to be trying for?
I just downloaded TS!Underswap. What am in for?
>>4060833a pretty high quality fangame with good ideas that unfortunately is incomplete and will likely remain dead forever due to dev drama
>>4060836dev drama? give me a rundown
>>4060815>people really just slap a lot of undyne the undying's themes onto sans and just kind of forget she existsThey do the same with Flowey and Sans, Flowey actually remembers your genoslides and has a proper understanding of the save/load mechanics, he's also an edgy asshole, Fandom!Sans is like a composite of Sans, Flowey and Undyne.
>>4060846>Fandom!Sans is like a composite of Sans, Flowey and Undyne.The Captain Planet of Genoslide...
>>4060839first some weirdos tried to cancel the team with some false allegations, then the lead dev had a mental breakdown on his bluesky that's still going to this daysome other anon can probably explain it in better detail
>>4060854not just being cancelled with false allegations, they spammed his discord account with reports until he got autobanned, and apparently a lot of the stuff for the game was stored in servers with that discord account, so a lot of it got nuked
>>4060854>>4060865Didn't some sharties get their dev server banned?
>>4060879It was the sharties from what I recall, I can understand the dev feeling devastated over this, but storing everything on discord was a bad idea from the start
>>4060889why were the sharties just bullying some random ass undertale dev? I thought their beef is largely with us
I think I found some gold.
>>4060892Sharteens in general just pick targets that they find acceptable to pursue(bully) becausethey are the flipside to the twitter mob effectively in how they are aimless people looking for something to make themselves feel good. They just picked a different banner, but their playbook is the same like how that sharteen tried to "cancel" pizza tower early on
>>4060892They wanted to get rid of "tranny games" or something like that, they probably chose TS!Underswap because it was an easy target, which is retarded, if they wanted to target a gay fangame CWK was right there.Jokes aside, I have the feeling there's something more to this story and one of the sharties might have done this because he had personal beef with the lead dev.
>>4060911Youll get her one day gizmo...
>>4060911Excellent find anon
New sprite anim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0DAvG0npTU>changed to kanako injecting herselfThat's literally how most people would do that scene and idk why the devs themselves didn't do that
>>4060961There are people who fervently defend ceroba being the one to do the injecting. Maybe the devs really think it was a good idea
>>4060980I think that is just attachment to the story as it was told, some people don’t like it when a story they have come to love is changed in any way good or bad.
>>4060892their beef is with everyone, because they're sharteens
>>4060567>Shi Crystalhehehehfunny Looking good by the way I like the segment
Was getting things ready to start up on a new Valravn pic and decided to check just how much of a size difference there would be. Turns out, there goes my original idea of being a thigh up pic. If the pic is thigh up only for Valravn, the other character would only have her head in the pic
>>4061169it's that fucking image of the amazoness holding the other chick against the wall.The weak shall fear the strong.
>>4061210Lmao, with the context of the picture it wouldn't work but that's not a bad idea.
>>4060911Wow, this is so Gold!
>>4061169Scale is for pussies, just draw what looks cool.
>>4061221This isn't really about cool or not, tho rule of cool is #1. I'm just tryin' to be faithful to my love for size diff, even if the pic isn't 'nsfw'.
I hope whoever designed the Geno fight for TS!Underswap Sans gets cancer.And the worst part is you don't even get to kill him at the end!!
>>4061245well dont keep us in suspense, anon. What happens?
>>4061245I thought that fight was cool, not getting to kill him is kind of lame, but only because it reminds me of all those single battle fangames that cockblock you by killing you at the end no matter what.Since that Sans is already almost as hard as regular Sans from UT I wonder how hard the genocide final boss will be, I can imagine it being harder than Zartlet.
>>4061245>And the worst part is you don't even get to kill him at the end!!oh I hate the fangame obsession with making the fight end in a forced loss. Oh I hate it so very much.
>>4061249Somehow he doesn't get tired like UT Sans despite being attacked at every because he switches places with a carboard cut of himself, so you also get 0 XP.>>4061251I heard that the Ruthless Sans fight will be the hardest fight in the game, which I think is very retarted because you can't expect me to fight the second boss in Geno with only 48 HP while making his fight extremely long, with the KARMA gimmick and also with a shitty dash ability. I know these developers have the "GENO SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL HORRIBLE FOR PLAYING IT" but come on now man.
>>4061261>I heard that the Ruthless Sans fight will be the hardest fight in the gameWait, really? That's retarded and a new level of skeletonwankery, why should the second boss be the hardest?>"GENO SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL HORRIBLE FOR PLAYING IT"To me it didn't feel like that, I think they are just trying to give the players more challenging fights since Undertale was so easy, they might have gone too far with Sans but I still like it.
>>4061275Underswap Sans feels unfair even in it's first attacks, while UT Sans is unfair but you can at least get much better at it, and it's also not overtly long if you don't get stuck healing.
have fangames(aside from yellow, as that's mainly its own thing) ever done anything very interesting with genocide route? Seems kind of hard to.
>>4061281I mean, you can't do much with the concept apart from having another character do it instead of you, which is why Deltarune's Geno is the Weird Route.
>>4061281>and it's also not overtly long if you don't get stuck healing.I'm pretty sure the Sans fight in TS!Underswap takes a few less turns than Sans, both fights don't progress unless you hit the FIGHT button, Underswap Sans is also easier since he always repeats the same attack if you don't hit him, which makes learning his attacks all the more simple.>>4061281The only other full length fangame is Outertale and I have no idea how the genocide route goes in there, besides having different bosses.TS!Underswap at the very least has a variant of the genocide route called "evacuation route" which features many changes from the regular genocide, including a different final boss on the demo, it happens when you abort a genocide route in Snowdin,
>>4061245>>4061251>>4061260>forced losswhat if its for an insufferable character that you're supposed to hate?
>>4061289Still sucks ass.
>>4061289would make me more upset if anything, and not in the fun "I'm enjoying my anger" way. I think back to those versions of sans fights where he just slowly kills you with a single bone descending into the shrunken arena. If you want an insufferable character, there's probably other ways about it than making the player sit there and watch an unavoidable death after a hard fight.
>>4061290>>4061291i mean, that'd be the point.a truly annoying character thats a pain in the ass from start to finish, and as a final fuck you doesnt even give you the satisfaction of killing them.im not talking about a game over screen either, but they simply fakeout to end the battle and flee.and as long as they're not the last proper geno boss, of course.
>>4061289No its still shitty. Now if its normally a forced loss, but there's a secret way to win, then it becomes based. In Undertale it can be even better, because you have the character be a smug bastard because he knows you can't kill him, then you get to wipe that smirk off his face by killing him anyway.
>>4061292>i mean, that'd be the point.things being the point doesn't make it fun or a good game design.>a truly annoying character thats a pain in the ass from start to finish, and as a final fuck you doesnt even give you the satisfaction of killing them.would be better if it's one or the other, but not both. you combine both together and it's just gonna be "wow I regret spending time on that."If he's not a pain in the ass to fight then he pulls that, you may be able to get away with it, but if you jerk the player around for a miserable fight then he just fucks off it leaves you with blue balls.there's a whole discussion out there on games with "bad design" that are still good "to the right people" don't get me wrong. I remember there's this very little known platformer the name of which is escaping me, and at the end you die anyways but this is counterbalanced by the souls that you were saving getting to go free at least .Without a counterbalance even the die hard will just go "why did I do this."
>>4061294my idea here isnt really about the game over screen, but the character simply running away so that you cant get the final hit in.
>>4061292>i mean, that'd be the point.Being intentionally bad doesn't make something good.
>>4056718Here's hoping you decide to draw more Valravn, you did a great job drawing her.I can see you made an effort to try and make her different from how Zenith Martlet normally looks, even though she technically is just Zenith Martlet.I'm sure the anon who created her must be really happy to see her drawn in your style.
>>4061295It might be ok if while he's running away and laughing about how he got one over on you, something else kills him.
>>4061295That's literally what TS!Underswap Sans does, he runs away once he realizes he can't win
>>4061295yeah I get that, but the scale is so drastically tipped to one side that even your playtesters are going to look at you like "why are you doing this to me." yes nothing is stopping you from making an artsy "it's supposed to not be fun", but almost universally those things are going to be not fun, by nature, and it really REALLY needs to carry it's own weight in having a message or feeling the player can, and may want to chew on or else it's just going to be "oh yeah this game is annoying lol"You need some balance or the experience will suck.
>Underswap>Somehow the geno final boss is still gonna be SansMake it make sense.
>>4061294>I remember there's this very little known platformer the name of which is escaping mePony Island? I remember that one revealed in its various secrets that the "good ending" is actually you releasing a demon even worse than the main villain from hell, since that friendly lost soul that helps you is actually just him pretending to be someone else.
>>4061295The character sounds like they are going to be the most hated in the fanbase like that, people despise characters that get away from everything and that feel protected by the author, especially in games where you are usually allowed to kill everyone.
>>4061303People don't seem to have a problem with Deltarune doing it. There are people who are unironically excited for a Knight rematch as the final boss.
>>4061304I forgot about pony island, but sorry it's not that. I'll link it if I can find it. it's a really really obtuse game with almost no reviews but the guy who I saw play it talked about how despite so much of the game having terrible design from a normal standpoint, he still liked it. I'll post it if I find it.
>>4061297I'm all for seeing more Valravn tiddies. Who wouldn't be?
>>4061307Sans isn't the knight, at least as far as I know.
>>4061306>, people despise characters that get away from everything and that feel protected by the author,This is unironically made me hold genuine malice towards the flowers for a while.
>>4061310Anon, come on. Its the same concept operating on the same principle in the same series. Its the exact same thing. The specific character its being applied to really isn't relevant at all to my point or even your question.
>>4061312Not really? The Knight isn't a character you already fought in another game and that is also going to be final boss again.It's like if UTY's geno final boss was just Sans again.
>>4061307Deltarune provided me with a fun and challenging fight before the knight cheaped us out. Now I consider the knight a punk bitch but because ingredient A was high quality, I can accept the game putting me through "you don't actually get to beat this here".A fight being miserably unfun and then the thing getting away would be just "well fuck me I guess"
>>4061309People who don't like big bird breasts, and prefer small fox breasts.
I think this idea of the asshole running away can work, but only if you eventually get to kill them and it's the most CATHARTIC kill ever in the game, something like killing Flowey at the end of UTY's genocide route but even better, like you actually get to aim and fire those shots
>>4061313Oh, you meant about fighting Sans again as in Undertale being the first time, rather than referring to you fighting him twice in TS!Underswap.
>>4061317there's definitely ways it can work, but it needs some kind of payoff to not be "that part I hate in a game I like"
>>4061298>>4061302>>4061317>>4061319my problem is that if the character gets killed, it creates a plot thread that the game cant resolve before it ends
>>4061320then consider making a way to make the frustration fun in an "oh this motherfucker" way instead of miserable in a "oh this motherfucker" way (said with different intonations).
>>4061307Why not? The Knight has been final boss material since the start, and the only fight being the unfulfilling one in the middle of the game would be really lame.
>>4061320Can we at least beat the shit out of the character until they are wheelchair bound for the rest of their life and can't go around being an asshole anymore?
>>4061320How? Killing him is the resolution. He's dead, the end.
>>4061317Maybe they run away, then you could have some Flowey analogue who's completely on board with the slaughter, and he kills him for you. Then he says something like "Don't worry, buddy. I took care of that loose for you."
>>4061322The final boss being something I've seen and beaten before would be lame. The final boss needs to be something new and interesting, not 5 year old left overs.
>>4061325I don't like the idea of the asshole dying offscreen after getting away
>>4061327>The final boss being something I've seen and beaten before would be lame. The final boss needs to be something new and interesting, not 5 year old left overs.What if the Knight gets a new final form? Or if we get to fight Dess/Rudy/Kriselle/Papyrus as a second phase? I don't see the real problem of the final boss being a character we already saw, technically even Undertale does this with Flowey/Asriel being the final boss in two routes
>>4061327Again, the Knight battle feels incomplete.A transformation for it, like a Titan Knight would be fine.
>>4061321NTA, but that's much easier said than done, I don't think most writer make asshole characters that get away with the intention of you being miserable every time they show up, they just fail at making them entertaining characters.
>>4061328Not off screen, preferably you'd get to see it happen, or at least hear it happen in the next room, and see the immediate aftermath. Maybe you get to hear him beg for his life as he's mercilessly cut down.
>>4061332But at that point why not just let the player do it? I thought the point of it being offscreen was that the player couldn't reach this character
>>4061321>>4061323>>4061324well, i have an idea for a satisfying resolution even if the asshole character doesnt die. but where's the fun in spoilers?
>>4061329>What if the Knight gets a new final form? Or if we get to fight Dess/Rudy/Kriselle/Papyrus as a second phase?Eh, still kinda lame. Maybe if I didn't have to wait five years and trudge through 20 more hours of game to get to it. But it being at the end of a game with a ten year hype train makes and the game being 30+ hours long makes it super ultra mega lame.> technically even Undertale does this with Flowey/Asriel being the final boss in two routesYou only fight him once in each route, and both routes are really short, and they came out all at once as part of one game. Plus Asriel just collecting a bunch of souls and fighting you again was kinda lame, even if the fight itself made up for it. Even back then I thought it was lame and my reaction was "Really? Again?"
>>4061330That would fall under the leftovers I described earlier, and be a retread of HyperDeath Asriel.
>>4061336We have this character getting hyped as a major antagonist the entire game, and we only get to fight it once in the middle for a scripted loss?And a retread of something good isn't as bad as frustrated expectations.
>>4061333>But at that point why not just let the player do it? To complete the fake out. Make the player think this guy is gonna get away, then kill him right as he escapes.> I thought the point of it being offscreen was that the player couldn't reach this characterThe point is the fake out. As for how, just invent a justification. That's the fundamental basics of writing, you have an idea for a moment or scene, so you invent a justification for it. Maybe the guy locks himself in a room, then not!Flowey unlocks it for you. Or maybe he's in an unreachable area, but one you can still see.
>>4061334well, I'll be interested in seeing the resolution you came to. I definitely don't want to be completely spoiled, but I gave the best feedback on the idea as I could at least
>>4061336>>4061337I don't think the knight must be the final boss, I wouldn't mind if it happened, but we should definitely get a rematch with the knight at some point, probably just before the real final boss
>>4061334Well if you have faith in your bomb making skills, then I won't ask to inspect the fuse. Just don't be surprised when it blows up in your face.
>>4061334>even if the asshole character doesnt dieNot even in genocide route? That would still be lame unless your resolution is that good
In terms of not being able to kill someone super annoying, there's always things like them being into a position worse than death, IE: the absolutely safe capsule
>>4061304>>4061294found it, the game is called "marrow"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO6veXSfeXwvideo is a bit long but it may be worth watching on the topic of "what makes good and bad game design". I don't know if this guy can be called an authority or anything, but he stomachs through some strange games. obviously the video will have spoilers if you're into hyper obscure games.
>>4061335To me the wait time doesn't affect the quality of the rematch, to some people it even improves it.>Even back then I thought it was lame and my reaction was "Really? Again?This is my first time seeing this opinion, its like UT had any other antagonist that could take that role.Also I just remembered that UTY does this too with the genocide route, you fight Martlet in Snowdin, she runs away, and then you have a rematch against Zenith Martlet, I thought that was actually cool when I first played that part.
>>4061337>We have this character getting hyped as a major antagonist the entire game,That's why it shouldn't be the final boss. Its too familiar and has become boring via exposure. It could be a fine penultimate boss, but the final boss needs to be something new and unexpected. >and we only get to fight it once in the middle for a scripted loss?There can be a knight rematch, but it shouldn't happened already. The Knight has worn out its welcome. Shown all its cards and become boring. Just look at how its appearance in chapter 5 was a carbon copy of its appearance in chapter 3.Deltarune as a whole should be half the length it is. A lot of it is one trick ponies being forced to trot for too long.>>4061340Yeah, but as I said it should've happened already.Thought I wouldn't be opposed to a fake out on that. Like say if its Rudy Knight, then his cancer aids gets so bad that he can't even put up a proper fight in the rematch and goes down in a few swings, then the whole thing becomes a powerful character moment instead. Or if there's a dramatic switch up of the teams and you end up on the Knight's side. Or if the Knight simply just shuts down once its role in the prophecy is complete. I think all of the narrative interest from those would outweigh some longer knight battle with a second phase.
>>4061347NTA but the difference between Geno Marltet in Snowdin and TS!Sans is that the first isn't already UT Sans level of difficulty despite being the second boss.
>>4061351Man, you sound like you're the one guy who will enjoy the ending of this train wreck.
>>4061351>but the final boss needs to be something new and unexpected.You want DR's final boss to be a "Giant Space Flea from Nowhere", is that it?>The Knight has worn out its welcome. Shown all its cards and become boring.You seem way too confident about this, we didn't even get to take most of the Knights HP during the fight. I think getting a reveal on the Knight's identity would be good enough to make the fight and character more special.>I think all of the narrative interest from those would outweigh some longer knight battle with a second phase.That would be lame to me because I actually enjoyed fighting the knight.
>>4061347>To me the wait time doesn't affect the quality of the rematch, to some people it even improves itI think the whole game's narrative is ruined by the wait. Its serialized fiction that's written by an author deluding himself into thinking its a single work. Even when it is all finished, which is not the way the vast majority of people will experience it or remember it, it will still be 7 individual games made years apart by different peoplel. Even Toby himself is fundamentally a different person from who he was when he started Deltarune (literally, there's not an atom of 2018 Toby left. Your body changes out all the matter in it around every 7 years)The knight is just another casualty of this.>This is my first time seeing this opinion, its like UT had any other antagonist that could take that role.I don't think any other character could have or should have taken Asriel's role, I just think that fight starting as narrative retread of Flowey's fight is lame. Its like the crust on a pizza, its bad, but its necessary for the good part to exist.Martlet is different because you don't fight Martlet again, you fight Zartlet. The difference between HyperDeath Asriel and Omega Flowey is comparatively small and has the same setup.
>>4061351>it shouldn't*should've
>>4061353I'm already thoroughly checked out of Deltarune's narrative. Its got very little to say and has got cement shoes tied around its pacing because Toby needed the game's number of chapters to be 7 for thematic purposes.>>4061354>You seem way too confident about this, It doesn't matter what it does. All it can be is more of the same thing. I already know what it is and what it does. >I think getting a reveal on the Knight's identity would be good enough to make the fight and character more special.I already know every possibilty for the knight's identity back to front because of how long I've had to go over everything. The only option left is for it to be no one or something completely out of left field, neither of which sound all that interesting.>You want DR's final boss to be a "Giant Space Flea from Nowhere", is that it?I don't know what that is.
>>4061356I think the wait does hurt some aspects of the game, but that mostly comes from the chapter 2 era, Toby really should have released individual chapter and gotten his mindset into making the game. The wait for the knight rematch isn't something that I mind.>I just think that fight starting as narrative retread of Flowey's fight is lame.Eh, I only noticed that recently, I thought Hyperdeath Asriel was different enough from Flowey to count them as separate entities, same for everything else in that scene, this time you aren't alone facing Flowey, you have all your friends, who also become part of the final boss.>its like the crust on a pizza, its bad, but its necessary for the good part to exist.Looks like we disagree on a fundamental level on what makes something good.>The difference between HyperDeath Asriel and Omega Flowey is comparatively small and has the same setup.Fair enough
>giant space flea from nowheretoby knows ball
>>4061359>It doesn't matter what it does. All it can be is more of the same thing. I already know what it is and what it does.We don't even know what the true goal of the Knight is.>I already know every possibilty for the knight's identity back to front because of how long I've had to go over everything. The only option left is for it to be no one or something completely out of left field, neither of which sound all that interesting.So a plot stops being interesting to you the moment you can figure out something thanks to evidence and foreshadowing? I don't understand this viewpoint.>I don't know what that is.TvTropes name for an asspull boss that has little to no relevance to the main plot.
>>4060575>Not entirely sure what to make of this shield item, I have some small concerns that it might make taking damage in the overworld less of a problem too effectively, but if the max shield it gives you is 9, and a lot of the obstacles do 4 damage, then it really only protects you from two hits before you start taking real damage to your hp, so it's probably fine. I also appreciate it being specific to the overworld too, that's good.The shield exists as a crutch to make the platforming easier, at least in the beginning, this combined with the rework of some of the rooms should fix the extreme difficulty curve, which was one of the main complaints about the platforming. Being exclusive to the overworld also avoids the problem of the item being too powerful during bosses.I also thought about forcefully removing the item during the genocide route, since that route is meant to be harder in every aspect.>Hope the work isn't being too hard on you.Thanks, but don't worry about it.>>4060577>really nice, I just think the number blends too much with the bar so its a bit hard to seeI added a shadow to the number, is that better?>>4060752>Neat. I do have my concerns about how powerful such a shield might be, but its by and far probably for the best to err on the side of really good since most undertale players are pretty shit at vidyaThe shield takes two equipment slots so I believe later on most people will chose to not use, unless they really need the extra overworld hp.
>>4060738Looks cool>>4061345Thanks for sharing. Dosh's vids seem decent.>>4061368>I don't understand this viewpoint.It's like the opposite of fans who're worried about Toby changing DR's plot to something stupid because one of the hundreds of fan theories accidentally predicted what would happen, rather than keep a good plot that could be predicted.
>>4061387>I added a shadow to the number, is that better?yep much better now
>>4061388>Dosh's vids seem decentI don't normally watch a lot of youtubers but he covers some older/more obscure stuff, and doesn't do that annoying thing (to my knowledge) where the youtuber just shows footage of their face instead of the game. Hope you enjoy.
>>4061392I also like how it feels like he genuinely has something to say about a lot of the games he plays and it isn't just a pure summary of what's going on. He still does this, as he understands that no one is going to play these hyper obscure kusoges, but it's nice nonetheless.
>>4061397yeah I can see what you mean. his marrow video is where he first caught my attention, and him actually going over the thoughts and opinions he had on what made a game bad or good left a strong impression in my memory.it's funny actually, after star control came up yesterday, I saw that he's made a video for it since the last time I was on his channel.Maybe he has some insight that a dev around here might like in some way I dont know
>>4061364>but that mostly comes from the chapter 2 era,Its still going on to this day. Just look at how much the festival bombed or how horrible the "romance" in the game is. Neither of those would've been nearly as bad without that one year gap between chapters.
>>4061400>Its still going on to this day. Just look at how much the festival bombedAlright the festival being shit was made worse by the wait I'll give you that.>or how horrible the "romance" in the game is. Neither of those would've been nearly as bad without that one year gap between chapters.I already knew that Toby can't write romances and that he has a yuri fetish, so this didn't affect me as much, I know it was going to be shit from the start and the wait didn't change that.
>>4061368>We don't even know what the true goal of the Knight is.We probably do. We just also have a dozen other incorrect theories to go along with it. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And even then, I doubt the motivation will be all that interesting based on how disappointing the rest of the reveals in Deltarune were.>So a plot stops being interesting to you the moment you can figure out something thanks to evidence and foreshadowing?It stops being interesting when I'm given years to figure out the ending. Either I'm right and the plot loses all its suspense and intrigue because I, for all practical purposes, have already seen it. Or its disappointing because its not what I wanted. The wait turns it into a no win scenario. That said, if something that based a lot of its plot of mystery and surprise becomes super predictable, it does really just become boring. A mystery plot where you can guess the killer in the first five minutes is boring.>TvTropesI haven't been able to use it since they started forcing you to disable adblock to browse there.>an asspull boss that has little to no relevance to the main plot.I'd like it to be relevant, but relevant in a way that isn't obvious until I replay the game. That's the kind of thing a mystery plot like Deltarune needs. I'm sure there are a lot of "giant mystery fleas" that actually are really well connected but people simply don't see it because they don't pay attention. A lot of media critique is just people hating something because they didn't bother to pay attention.
>>4061388>It's like the opposite of fans who're worried about Toby changing DR's plot to something stupid because one of the hundreds of fan theories accidentally predicted what would happen, rather than keep a good plot that could be predictedI'm not bothered by it being predictable, I'm bothered by it being a predictable plot released over the course of 8+ years. I don't want him to change things just to keep stuff fresh. Really, I just thing he screwed himself and the game by trying to make it in an episodic form when the story isn't built for it and he can't write it. Even changing things would just be damage control, rather than actually fixing it.
>>4061406>I already knew that Toby can't write romances and that he has a yuri fetish, so this didn't affect me as much,But look at how many people it did affect. The game tries its hardest to make you care about its romance, so when it does achieve what it set out to do, the wait turns that achievement into a nightmare.
>>4061387>The shield exists as a crutch to make the platforming easier, at least in the beginning, this combined with the rework of some of the rooms should fix the extreme difficulty curve, which was one of the main complaints about the platforming.I didn't think the platforming was that punishing, but I guess the option is nice for the people who want it.>Being exclusive to the overworld also avoids the problem of the item being too powerful during bosses.Wasn't there an item that gave you a shield during actual combat too though? I think if you can wear both of those at the same time, might make things a bit too easy.>I also thought about forcefully removing the item during the genocide route, since that route is meant to be harder in every aspect.Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe you could have an in-universe explanation for it, like a monster grabbed it while running from you or something, so it's not there anymore for you to take.
just saying when chapter 7 drops we should all drop our projects and learn gms2 to work on a kerdlyrune mod. there will be a payroll
>>4061433You know if you want gay porn and/or romance novels just ask.I won't make it for you because I don't like drawing or writing pornography, but someone will be willing to do it for you.
>>4061387>I also thought about forcefully removing the item during the genocide route,Instead of forcefully removing it, which feels cheap and arbitrary, maybe you could make it required to kill a certain enemy. Or simply just make the overworld hard enough to still be more challenging with it.
>>4061437guess ur not eager for that 9.50 an hour
>>4061433>KerdlyIf you held a gun to my head and told me to work on that mod, I'd tell you to shoot.
>We probably do. Do we? I don't think we have anything to figure it out yet, none of the knight's actions seem to make any sense right now, they are taking people ot the bunker and that's it.>We just also have a dozen other incorrect theories to go along with it. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I wouldn't call it "predicting" when all you do is throwing shit at a wall and seeing what it sticks, anyone can predict anything like that.>based on how disappointing the rest of the reveals in Deltarune were.Now you're just being pessimistic, I know the last three chapters killed your interest in the game but I don't think everything in Deltarune has been bad, I still see the first encounter with the knight as a pretty memorable moment, even I think they should have showed up in chapter 4.>I, for all practical purposes, have already seen it. Or its disappointing because its not what I wanted. Saying that you've already seen it feels arrogant you think anyone had figured out how chapter 4 would play out back then? I don't think the ending will be great or anything I actually have lower expectations on Deltarune, but I highly doubt it will be predictable.>The wait turns it into a no win scenario. That said, if something that based a lot of its plot of mystery and surprise becomes super predictableYeah, it becomes boring but you are acting as if we knew exactly how everything will play out in Deltarune.
>>4061445meant for >>4061410>I haven't been able to use it since they started forcing you to disable adblock to browse there.Sometimes it the warning goes away if you refresh the site a few times, but it might be different in your browser.>That's the kind of thing a mystery plot like Deltarune needs.I don't see why the the big mystery *has* to be the final boss in all of this, for all we know the knight could just be a dragon to another character who isn't as strong at the knight, that being said I don't care if the knight is the final boss or not, I just want a rematch.>I'm sure there are a lot of "giant mystery fleas" that actually are really well connected but people simply don't see it because they don't pay attentionFrom what I've seen in the page, not really, most of them seem to be entities that literally came out of nowhere or were mentioned once in the entire story.
>>4061442at least it somehow has more sauce to it than suselle, the bar is in hell but it clears it. Still the worst ship ever since it basically reduces Kris to being a joke
>>4061439>which feels cheap and arbitraryIt's not cheap or arbitrary, you're playing the game's hard mode and you could explain it just fine. It's like not being able to get the Temmie armor or the burnt pan in UT's genocide route, you're basically playing the game on hard mode and it actually explains why those items are unavailable.
>>4061433>there will be a payrollThe people here are doing this for pure passion and autism, besides, nothing is stopping the devs here from adding romance with a nerd bird if that's what they want
>>4061450I don't like how it puts Berdly in the "safe yaoi" ship. The ship exists to safely dispose of Berdly in a way that doesn't bother any women and to tie up the loose end of Kris. And it does the tired yaoi thing of turning all male friendships into sex.
>>4061458I'll bump it up to 8.50 an hour
>>4061455>It's not cheap or arbitrary, you're playing the game's hard mode and you could explain it just fine. It's like not being able to get the Temmie armor or the burnt pan in UT's genocide routeHe said forcefully remove. That implies taking it away from the player after they already have it. That would be very forced and very arbitrary. The item not being there in the first place would be a different thing.
>>4061462No, his exact wording was "forcefully removing the item during the genocide route", which says nothing about taking it away from the player after they already obtain it. He could just mean having the item despawn once you've passed a certain point in the game where it considers you to be on the genocide route, which could easily be well before you'd run across that item.Don't be so quick to put words in his mouth.
>>4061459>And it does the tired yaoi thing of turning all male friendships into sex.while this does get exhausting, I have to assume that some people shipping it just have a hopeless attraction to "annoying bird nerd". Actually this brings up something. people have lost all sense of how engaging with fiction works, and say that you can't self insert as kris because you aren't him in the game, which yeah sure, except the character in other games doesn't have to explicitly be you to self insert. Where did this mindset come from? I assume some kerdly fans are self inserting but if you just openly admit self inserting in this fandom, someone has an aneurysm
>>4061433>when chapter 7 dropsI wonder what will be left after that.A golden age of fangames and stuff? Or will the fandom die outside of diehards? The ending is pretty much guaranted to split the fanbase in half at this point.
>>4061427>I didn't think the platforming was that punishingMe neither, but I'm biased since coded it and I had more time to practice than anyone, I imagine the average anon has better gaming skills than the average UT fan so this might become a bigger problem if I don't address it soon, I want UTN to be harder than UT but that's no excuse for the difficulty curve being so extreme at the start.>Wasn't there an item that gave you a shield during actual combat too though?There is, and the utility of that item is pretty short lived too, since at the end of the day is just +3 def on your first attack, the enemies in the game still have pretty high damage numbers, and there would be other items for a more attack focused build.>Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe you could have an in-universe explanation for it, like a monster grabbed it while running from you or something, so it's not there anymore for you to take.Obviously I want to include an in universe explanation, another idea I had is that instead you get the chance to break the item in exchange for another that might be more useful in combat, either way I want the overworld shield to feel like something you want to replace as soon as possible, kind of like the wayward compass from Hollow Knight.
>>4061445>none of the knight's actions seem to make any sense right now, they are taking people ot the bunker and that's it.They make sense to me. Its acting out a script. Either intentionally or out of instinct. It a creature of the prophecy, and if not, its a creature of someone attempting to manipulate the prophecy.>I wouldn't call it "predicting" when all you do is throwing shit at a wall and seeing what it sticksI would>anyone can predict anything like that.Theoretically, yes. It helps to have a good eye for plot and writing or for the story to be more predictable but you can just get lucky. >Now you're just being pessimisticThe pessimists were right about everything. At this point its foolish to have hopes for Deltarune.> I know the last three chapters killed your interest The last two, I liked chapter 3>I don't think everything in Deltarune has been bad, I think Deltarune was good too. Its just that with the going trend being everything getting worse, the game is the following chapters are obviously going to be even worse than the genuinely bad chapter 5. Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.>I still see the first encounter with the knight as a pretty memorable momentI thought it was pretty good too, even if I disagreed with the reveal of what the Knight is or how early it was included>Saying that you've already seen it feels arrogant you think anyone had figured out how chapter 4 would play out back then?Deltarune flip flops between shit that I considered as possibility, but disregarded for being tired and boring, and random bullshit that's somehow worse than anything I could have imagined. Its only possible now for Deltarune to exist in one of two states. Either something it already telegraphed years ago, or something stupid that disappoints me. Its lost the chance to have that third "pleasantly surprised" state. Its not me thinking I know everything, its me seeing the lack of-(post limit)
>>4061439>Instead of forcefully removing it, which feels cheap and arbitrary, maybe you could make it required to kill a certain enemy. Or simply just make the overworld hard enough to still be more challenging with it.I'm still figuring it out what to do with it, its not like the item is overpowered or anything but I do want to do something to increase the difficulty of the platfoming sections in Genocide, probably taking the item away won't be necessary since you already have more HP in the genocide route so I don't see that many players equipping it.>>4061455>>4061462>>4061470Actually, you find the item pretty early, its literally on the second room after the tutorial fight, so I can't really make the item despawn during geno, the next areas will probably include some changes to the platfoming sections once you're in a genocide route, otherwise the increased hp would make them too easy.
>>4061445(cont)-options the game has left itself via its tropey writing and episodic release.>Yeah, it becomes boring but you are acting as if we knew exactly how everything will play out in Deltarune.I know enough and have enough expectations to have thoroughly ruined the mystique and surprise of the story. Either its something I don't want, or its something I saw coming. Its entirely possible the rest of the game sits entirely within that first category, but that still makes it nothing good.
>>4061484>Actually, you find the item pretty early, its literally on the second room after the tutorial fight, so I can't really make the item despawn during genoWell, fair enough I guess, can't do much that early on.
>>4061449>I don't see why the the big mystery *has* to be the final boss in all of this, for all we know the knight could just be a dragon to another character who isn't as strong at the knight,This whole discussion was predicated on the idea of the knight being the final boss.>From what I've seen in the page, not really, most of them seem to be entities that literally came out of nowhere or were mentioned once in the entire story.Those pages could be written by said people who didn't pay attention, in which case the page and its information would be inaccurate and biased, ignoring evidence to the contrary of its position.
>>4061459I do think Kerdly true belivers exist, I've seen fics specifically about it. It's also true that it's very much so a "pair the spares' ship. Especially since Berdly hasn't been relevant since chapter 2.
>>4061470>"forcefully removing the item during the genocide route", which says nothing about taking it away from the player after they already obtain it.Yes it does. Forcefully does anything short of outright stating that directly. If you forcefully remove something, you are taking it with physical force. That's not making it inaccessible or hiding it. That's snatching it out of someone's hands.And this is especially when I've played the game and know where that room in the video he posted is.
>>4061471The fandom is composed of mental teenagers who lack critical thinking skills.
>>4061481>The ending is pretty much guaranted to split the fanbase in half at this point.I'm still betting on complete fragmentation by the end. Undertale fandom warlord period.
>>4061471People do get weirdly particular about their self inserts at times. I've seen quite a lot of people who NEED the self insert to be as bland as possible to properly self insert
>>4061496It's a game, he's the dev, anything he does that might be implemented as a non-circumventable decision on his part would be "forceful".The burnt pan being inaccessible in UT's genocide route is Toby "forcefully" preventing you from having it in that route, he's changing the game's circumstances so that you can't have it anymore.
>>4061492My perception of Kerdly is that its 60% done to turn the "toxic incel gamer bro" into a "wholesome neurodivergent queer" with the other 40% being pair the spares who are also male friends.>Especially since Berdly hasn't been relevant since chapter 2And the game is worse for it.
>>4061481>I wonder what will be left after that.Remember that time period one year after the release of Undertale and before the release of Deltarune? Probably something like that, but on a bigger scale>A golden age of fangames and stuff?Hopefully, now that the evils of skeletonwank can't centralize the entire fandom into a single character we might get some original stuff.>Or will the fandom die outside of diehards?The ending has to be insanely bad for that to happen, which is not outside the realm of possibility, I've seen fandom dies because the ending of their show was just that bad.
>>4061508>It's a game, he's the dev, anything he does that might be implemented as a non-circumventable decision on his part would be "forceful".You would use different terms. "Forcefully remove" (the whole phrase) only means the one thing. Make inaccessible is a different term with a different meaning. They are not interchangeable.
>>4061512You forgot the percentage of people who are unironically into Berdly, they exist, I've seen them in this place.
>>4061514>Remember that time period one year after the release of Undertale and before the release of Deltarune? Probably something like that, but on a bigger scaleThat's assuming people part with Deltarune on favorable terms, which we already know they have not universally. There's a lot more hatred towards Deltarune from fans than there was Undertale.
>>4061517Define "into Berdly"?
>>4061517I still think there's some degree of "male friends" and "pair the spares" to the anons here, on a individual basis.
>>4061516> "Forcefully remove" (the whole phrase) only means the one thing.Except that's not the whole phrase, because he said "forcefully removing the item during the genocide route", not "forcefully removing the item from the player's inventory during the genocide route" or something to a similar effect, which could easily just mean making it inaccessible during that route in particular, as opposed to just making it vanish from your inventory after passing a certain flag that says you're on the genocide route.Think of it like how Deus Ex forcefully despawns Tracer Tong and some of the other NPCs in the triad compound if you force your way in instead of getting the code, since it's running leftover scripts from the cut UNATCO route of the game.If we're talking about language and meaning here, you're just wrong, "forcefully" can mean more than one thing.
>>4061522They want to fuck him, that's what I meant, just like the Krisellefags and the Krusiefags, they all use Kris as a self insert, which isn't inherently wrong mind you, but you get my point.>>4061524That's mostly a fujoshi thing, and all of them are on /utg/ I'm talking about the anons who want to personally fuck Berdly.
>>4061527I mean, I like those ships and don't self insert. Especially Kriselle, that really only works with Kris specifically
>>4061526Yeah, but it didn't here. And I had more than enough context from having played the game and seen where the item is to know it can only mean the one thing, which it did.
>>4061521>There's a lot more hatred towards Deltarune from fans than there was Undertale.Sadly, people who dislike chapter 5 are a minority and are seen as evil fake fans that must be destroyed, even the Wildfire devs liked the chapter and you'd think they would have something to say about the gameplay and story elements on it, I have a feeling this part of the fandom will only become even more attached to Deltarune no matter how good or bad the next chapters are.
>>4061531Sure, it turned out to mean something else, but you were arguing about *possible* meanings, not *actual*.So, you're still wrong on a language front.
>>4061527>, just like the Krisellefags and the Krusiefags,I actually think Kris and Susie make a good couple, as do Kris and Noelle. Of course I also want to fuck both of them, but those are two separate things that I believe in working towards the same conclusion. Nta, btw> I'm talking about the anons who want to personally fuck Berdly.I know, and I'm saying that they want to fuck Berdly, in part, because Berdly acting friendly towards them through Kris, because he's Kris's friend, gives them romantic thoughts. And also that since Kris isn't paired with anyone, their mind just naturally drifts towards that.
>>4061534No, I'm not.
>>4061536>And also that since Kris isn't paired with anyone, their mind just naturally drifts towards that.Isn't this just kind of by the book pair the spares, tho.
>>4061531Also, no it fucking didn't, because he literally just said he can't make the item despawn during the genocide route after all due to how early it is, so at best, we're both wrong about what he actually meant, since the item is neither being made inaccessible nor being taken away from you.
>>4061538No, you are.
>>4061531>>4061534>>4061538>>4061540>>4061542This has to be the most retarded heated argument people here had so far
>>4061540just make the crystal resonate with the holder's heart or something so it becomes brittle on geno, idk
>>4061545Nah, that would set off the other anon's arbitrary-senses, can't risk that.
>>4061499That's true, but it feels like a concerning issue with how big the fandom is and the presence it has in general.>>4061503>I've seen quite a lot of people who NEED the self insert to be as bland as possible to properly self insertit depends on the game and what we're getting into. Like when playing max payne I just kind of sink into the feeling of "we're max payne" or I'm riding over the shoulders of Maxim in lufia 2, but then there's games like baldurs gate or FTL that I want to imagine that the character or the captain have motives and goals I've dreamed up that shape how I pick my decisions.
>>4061539Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They subconsciously pair the spares. Its not just that, but that's a part of it.
>>4061545Brittle would be lame, it should turn evil like sith crystals in star wars and become a weapon that boosts attack or TP gain.
>>4061549To be fair I think that's almost always the case with pair the spares. I don't think people do it intentionally, it just kind of tends to happen with the leftovers and you don't notice it until someone on the outside points it out
>>4061548>That's true, but it feels like a concerning issue with how big the fandom is and the presence it has in general.There are a lot of teenagers and a lot of people who never mentally matured past their teen years in the world. The internet allows them to congregate, and Deltarune is naturally appealing to them, being a game made for adults about teenagers.
>>4061545The funnier option would be for geno Val to suddenly decide that having an overshield is lame and just spontaneously chuck it out of his inventory with no input from the player.He wants a challenge, extra shields are for pussies.
Alright, just to make it clear, I don't think I will be taking away the item from the player's inventory, I could increase the equipment slot cost so it becomes something you use only if you're really struggling with the platforming, or go with the idea of exchanging the item for something that has a more direct use in combat, maybe a decently strong healing item or another equippable item.The overworld shield will fall off in the genocide route anyway, since it doesn't scale properly, +9 overworld hp won't be significant enough for the later parts of the game.
>>4061503>>4061548I self insert as characters even outside of games. I think its the mark of a well written protagonist when you naturally start seeing the world from their eyes and putting yourself in their shoes.
>>4061554in a cutscene you get hit and the crystal breaks and you can equip the shards to cut up enemies with your punches
>>4061553that seems like the best idea
>>4061553I think that would be lame too. In general taking useful items away from the player without good justification feels lame.
>>4061556something I noticed when I played chapter 5 was that whenever I was given a choice I tried to make the choice that would upset Kris the least
>>4061553While I think that's funny, I think that falls under the "arbitrary" category the other anon mentioned.
>>4061556No I generally agree and that's how I operate too. It's just that I've seen people who NEED a MC to be bland enough to self insert and cant self insert into someone who's enough of an actual character. I'm not even talking about CRPGs where you make your own dudes like the other anon implied, i've seen full ass normal linear stories where people need their everyman goodboy hero or they cant self insert
>>4061554Make exchanging the shield optional and I'll be cool with it. I'll gladly take my nickel and dime protection if it means I get just a little bit more leeway in the overworld dodging.
>>4061556>I think its the mark of a well written protagonist when you naturally start seeing the world from their eyes and putting yourself in their shoes.Isn't that different from self inserting? I thought self inserting was about what would YOU do if you were in the shoes of the character, and not what you think the character would do in a given situation.
>>4061559The justification is "power armor is for pussies", deal with it.
>>4061560I think I mainly just did things to spite all the characters, because I'd developed a personal grudge against basically every one of them by that point. That's still self insertion to a point, but self inserting as the soul, since I hated Kris too, and would stick his hand in garbage disposal if given the chance. I just also hated everyone else for hurting (me) through him.I think I spent ten minutes getting individual dollars from that chest specifically because Ralsei said not to. If I could've, I would've looked him straight in the eye while doing it. Then I spent ten minutes trying to leave the dark world early because Susie told me I couldn't.
>>4061554Make exchanging the shield completely non-optional, the genocide route is supposed to be tough.Also to fuck with that anon in particular.
>>4061565>I thought self inserting was about what would YOU do if you were in the shoes of the character, and not what you think the character would do in a given situation.A well written character will convince you to think like them. You start to think as they would, and naturally come to the same conclusions they do.
>>4061557heh, that's kind of a neat idea.
>>4061567Sometimes I think i'm glad I can't muster this amount of spite towards a piece of fictional media
>>4061566go fuck yourself
>>4061574I was quoting Duke Nukem, anon.Calm your tits.
>>4061565self inserting into an established character is about getting into their head. FULL SYNCHRO mode like in battle network.
>>4061568Imagine making a game just to fuck with one anon in particular, conceptually it would be funny, but we both know the anon is not going to play the entire thing so you would just be wasting your time
>>4061573The lows are low, but the highs are very high. You don't know how great it is to see the characters trumph when you're this invested in a work of fiction.
>>4061579I mean i'm certainly invested in deltarune, but like not to the point where I want to personally seethe over the existence of characters. If I get to that kind of dislike I just stop engaging with said piece of media
>>4061575It was the "deal with it" that gets the fuck you
>>4061570>>4061576I was thinking of all those fanfics for things like Naruto/Dragon Ball where the author clearly doesn't give a fuck about the main character's personality and is just doing what he would do if he were in their shoes, you know those fanfics were the protag never loses a fight and has a harem of all the waifus in the show.
>>4061581Hail to the king, baby.
>>4061500The possibilities are>fragmentation and in-fighting like Star Wars after TLJ>universally hated to the point it kills it's own relevance like GoT>so bland people immediately tune out and move on like TADC>>4061514UT had a mild WAIT period for the demo fans and was very well liked after the release. Deltarune has had a much rougher reception on it's middle releases in comparison.And I fear shipping faggotry might lead to something far worse than skeletonwank.>>4061521>>4061533I feel like the animosity has been much harder to ignore this time. The UTDR fandom outside of here has a culture of constant positivity for the games, sometimes you see some of them trying to criticize it but almost feeling afraid of doing so.
>>4061583I haven't read fanfics for those but I think there's enough sans POV fics that do exactly what you're saying that I get what you're saying. that's self inserting too I guess, but I think the problem I was thinking on earlier was that so many people think that self inserting is only something like that I guess? or it's only when you are supplanting a characters role in something? but yeah what you're describing is definitely some kind of wish fulfillment self inserting.
>>4061577I don't think anyone would intentionally play a game that was made specifically to piss them off. Not to completion anyway.
>>4061564That's my plan for the neutral/pacifist route, I guess it should be the same for genocide, the idea is for it to be like the demon bell from Sekiro, something you can turn on for an increased challenge in exchange of a reward, but in this case it would a permanent change for the playthrough and not something you can turn off at will.>>4061568I have to agree that removing an item from the player's inventory just like that is kind of lame, if I had placed it somewhere later I could have gone with the idea of Val smashing the item in the genocide route after seeing its effect.
>>4061584blow it out your ass
>>4061590>I have to agree that removing an item from the player's inventory just like that is kind of lame, if I had placed it somewhere later I could have gone with the idea of Val smashing the item in the genocide route after seeing its effect.Technically you still could, if the item was a little further into the game, after the first obstacle course instead of closer to the start of it, something like that.
>>4061580>but like not to the point where I want to personally seethe over the existence of characters.I don't hate their existence, I hate them because they continue to be assholes towards me (or rather the character of (you) which i am playing, which may or may not canonically be an avatar of me). I probably wouldn't even hate them if I wasn't forced to sit there and take it. I would've just told them to fuck off. But because I can't, it ends up building this long standing grudge which grows into genuine malice.>If I get to that kind of dislike I just stop engaging with said piece of mediaThere's a reason I have no intention of ever playing chapters 6 or 7. Well, there's more than one, but that is one of them.
>>4061554I don't actually understand the controversy with removing an item from the inventory. I feel like RPGs are no strangers to having moments where something like that changes, or something breaks etc. either way I think the shield item is neat and I'll probably not be using it because I want to embrace the challenge of the hardest platforming sections you can hit me with.
>>4061583That's not really what we were discussing though. We were talking about self inserting into existing stories, not creating self insert stories.
>>4061586>>fragmentation and in-fighting like Star Wars after TLJThis is what I hope for>universally hated to the point it kills it's own relevance like GoT>so bland people immediately tune out and move on like TADCAren't those just varying degrees of the same thing?>UT had a mild WAIT period for the demo fans UT didn't have a mystery plot or theory bait, and it largely lived up to the expectations people had, which were much lower, due to it being a fly by night indie title made by one of the Homestuck people.>The UTDR fandom outside of here has a culture of constant positivity for the games, sometimes you see some of them trying to criticize it but almost feeling afraid of doing so.I'm starting to see even the normies become discontent. I was one video of one of those voiced Deltarune comics on yt shorts that was a guy genuinely seething at Transei through the character of Ralsei. And of course there's all the images of the soul or Kris brutally murdering Susie. Even the yuri, it seems like most people only like it because they're supposed to and not because they actually like it.
>>4061561Val strikes me as someone who would do weird and arbitrary things for the sake of a challenge, I could see him chucking that crystal over a cliff if he knew what it did.Or hell, maybe he'd toss it to an enemy he wants more of a fight out of, giving *them* the advantage so they'll last longer against him.Now there's an idea.
>>4061590>I guess it should be the same for genocide,It really should.> if I had placed it somewhere later I could have gone with the idea of Val smashing the item in the genocide route after seeing its effect.I think that would be worse than just quietly removing it because it flaunts in the player's face that its taking away something they wanted and were going to use. Just makes me want to hate Val and the person who implemented the scene. Not saying I do hate you, but that kind of thing just feels shitty and insulting.
>>4061595>I feel like RPGs are no strangers to having moments where something like that changes, or something breaks etc.Its super lame when they do it too. RPGs are absolutely full of obnoxious bullshit. Undertale is one of the rare exceptions that largely does away with all the arbitrary bullshit. The only instance I can think of off the top of my head is forcing the player to pick the tea in true pacifist.
>>4061602>Or hell, maybe he'd toss it to an enemy he wants more of a fight out of, giving *them* the advantage so they'll last longer against him.I would drop the game right there if he did that.I'd probably be fine with it if it were optional though. Like if you had the item on you and used from the ITEM menu during a fight. That could work as a gag. But just having the player character countermand me and take away a useful item specifically to make my life harder would piss me off to no end.
>>4061608huh, I feel like arbitrary is kind of an easy word to throw around, and also it only feels arbitrary because you are privy to the background. For instance if it was in the items description that it seems to destabilize as someone gets stronger, then it wouldn't be arbitrary. It would be the nature of the item established in advance.
>>4061601>This is what I hope forI really don't wanna have to argue even more than we already do when trying to discuss the game.>Aren't those just varying degrees of the same thing?One is more about being turned into a source of mockery and the other is just about fading from public counciousness.>UT didn't have a mystery plot or theory bait, It had Flowey and Asgore. admitedly much less than DR.>and it largely lived up to the expectations people hadI've seen some veterans say they got disappointed with how the full game handled things like Flowey or the deja-vu mechanics compared to the demo. But the truth is that most UT fans are post-release, unlike how most current DR fans have been around since at least ch2.>I'm starting to see even the normies become discontent. I was thinking about that video of the "elephants in the room" where the guy clearly isn't satisfied but downplays it by saying how amazing the game is.
>>4061610>For instance if it was in the items description that it seems to destabilize as someone gets stronger, then it wouldn't be arbitrary.No, it would still be arbitrary because that is obviously just an excuse by the dev to take it away from me.If you say that's just "seeing the background" then my counter is that it is so arbitrary that it makes me see the background and drags down the experience.
>>4061609>I would drop the game right there if he did that.I think it would make a good tradeoff, you get to keep your shield, but every so often Val might just chuck it over to the enemy at the start of a battle to make them just a bit tankier than normal.The kid wants a challenge, can't fault him for that, can you?>I'd probably be fine with it if it were optional though. Like if you had the item on you and used from the ITEM menu during a fight. That could work as a gag.I think that could work as an actual mechanic like that, yeah.>But just having the player character countermand me and take away a useful item specifically to make my life harder would piss me off to no end.Which is part of what makes it so funny, knowing that somewhere out there, you in particular are mad about video games.It would probably piss other people off too, if it just happened out of the blue or something, and collateral's always fun.
>>4061611>I really don't wanna have to argue even more than we already do when trying to discuss the game.My ideal world is one in which the most people hate chaper 5 as much as I do, because that means more good fan content, and less stuff in the style of chapter 5. I don't count Toby fixing the game as ideal because that would "redeem" chapter 5 and make more people like it, causing more of stuff like it to be made.>dmitedly much less than DR.By an order of magnitude.>where the guy clearly isn't satisfied but downplays it by saying how amazing the game is.See, that blind faith can only convince them to ignore their lying eyes for so long. If things continue to get worse, then even they will reach their limit.
>>4061612>If you say that's just "seeing the background" then my counter is that it is so arbitrary that it makes me see the background and drags down the experience.no you are seeing the background as in you are privy to the game mid development and watching as the decisions are made. It's ironically an arbitrary line you've drawn in the sand because you have pre-existing knowledge of the game as it's being developed, but if the dev wants to balance something then he has to come up with something as a reason as to why it's different. it being a lore reason for the item is completely valid. If I missed it (since I came into this conversation a bit late and am catching up), have you posed a non arbitrary reason that it would be gone if the devs motivation was balance? I feel like Val getting cocky and refusing to use it after a certain point for instance is extremely viable because val strikes me as the kind of person that would do that as he becomes more and more of a shit.
>>4061616>My ideal world is one in which the most people hate chaper 5 as much as I doTough luck man, because even a jerk like me thought 5 was okay.But I feel you, I wish there was more people to share my hatred of 3+4.The main divide for DR is between people who want a serious story and a daring metanarrative and people who want comedy and adventures.
>>4061592>Technically you still could, if the item was a little further into the game, after the first obstacle course instead of closer to the start of it, something like that.I might use the idea of Val breaking an item in the genocide route, but it will have to be with something else, the entire point of the shield is to give you an option that reduces the difficulty of the platforming, the only other place I could add it (once the genocide route starts) is after half of the platforming challenges anons complained about.>>4061595>I feel like RPGs are no strangers to having moments where something like that changes, or something breaks etc. I do believe it can be justified, but sometimes it feels artificial like you can see the devs removing something because it was too convenient, at this point in the game coming with a justification is much harder.>>4061602He definitely would, but I don't think he would do it this early into the genocide route.>Or hell, maybe he'd toss it to an enemy he wants more of a fight out of, giving *them* the advantage so they'll last longer against him.Same for this, that's a very Val thing to do.>>4061609>I would drop the game right there if he did that.If you are who I believe you are, I was expecting this response, I have the feeling most people would either hate geno Val or vibe with him, the genocide route in UTN is made with a specific type of player in mind, most of the stuff Val does in it is made for the "benefit" of those players>I'd probably be fine with it if it were optional though. Like if you had the item on you and used from the ITEM menu during a fight.That could be funny.>But just having the player character countermand me and take away a useful item specifically to make my life harder would piss me off to no end.>make my life harderhahaha, yeah I don't think you'll like the genocide route much
>>4061613>The kid wants a challenge, can't fault him for that, can you?Yes. He does things that make my life harder and he instantly gets put at the top of my shitlist. I feel a genuine hatred for player characters that countermand me like that. Better to never include the item at all than to taunt me with it like that.>Which is part of what makes it so funny, knowing that somewhere out there, you in particular are mad about video games.Going full Hussie isn't a good look.As a side note, Jim really should've gotten punched for most of the stuff he did. So anything he says automatically becomes wrong because Jim is saying it.
>>4061620>Yes. He does things that make my life harder and he instantly gets put at the top of my shitlist. I feel a genuine hatred for player characters that countermand me like that. Better to never include the item at all than to taunt me with it like that.Man.I bet that ball artifact in UT really got you going, huh?>Going full Hussie isn't a good look.Depends which era of Hussie we're talking about.>As a side note, Jim really should've gotten punched for most of the stuff he did. So anything he says automatically becomes wrong because Jim is saying it.Who?
>>4061619>I do believe it can be justified, but sometimes it feels artificial like you can see the devs removing something because it was too convenient, at this point in the game coming with a justification is much harder.this feels like the same thing one encounters running tabletop. Everyone technically knows the game moves at the whim of the DM or the dev or what have you, but the goal is to make it FEEL like it's happening naturally enough so that the players in either setting are willing to set aside that knowledge and pretend that it's the worlds natural stuff.A good example of this being failed is honestly a lot of delta traveler in how it actually goes about hindering you on the obliteration route. yeah there's the things that the one anon mentioned it does well, but then there's literally "the devs toby sona blocks you from committing more genoslide". The player feels and notices this immediately, as badly as a table top player can see the "teleporting ogre" which is a dire sin (it's not a teleporting ogre though if it teleported before the players saw it)
>>4061617Anon, this would've been obviously arbitrary to me even I hadn't known anything about the game until full release. This kind of shit always bothers me.Anyways, the non-arbitrary thing to do is to just let the player keep it. Or to make the area you would get it inaccessible in geno route, which would require moving the item to a later area, and removing the overworld bullet sections up to the area you moved it to.The easiest choice is to just let the player keep it if they want to.
>>4061619>the only other place I could add it (once the genocide route starts) is after half of the platforming challenges anons complained about.The difficulty will forge weak players into becoming strong, or they will simply perish.>He definitely would, but I don't think he would do it this early into the genocide route.Maybe it could happen somewhere later on, after the player's gotten to have their training wheels for a bit.>Same for this, that's a very Val thing to do.For the love of god make there be a random chance for him to do that with some enemies, it would be so fucking funny.And also kinda legitimately cool.
>>4061618>thought chapter 5 was okay>hated chapter 3 and 4How does that work? I dislike chapter 4 because of how early it took the story in that direction and how dismal and characterless it is, and I dislike it and elements of 3 because of how lame most of the "big reveals" were. Chapter 5, to me, felt like a monkey's paw wish. It was a twisted skinwalker of the things I liked about Deltarune.>The main divide for DR is between people who want a serious story and a daring metanarrative and people who want comedy and adventures.I wanted both, but chapter 5 gave me a flanderized parody of the latter and did nothing but tease the former. The last time I was truly happy with a chapter was 2. Chapter 3 was mostly good apart from how small it was and how much was cut from it, and of course how early it introduced the knight, and what it showed the knight to be.
>>4061616>My ideal world is one in which the most people hate chaper 5 as much as I do,I don't think most people have that much hatred for it, even I just thought the chapter was mediocre and wanted it to end sooner, I didn't leave the chapter hating it with my very soul I was just disappointed
>>4061624like I said, that's an arbitrary line in the sand. It makes perfect sense from a design perspective to change what the player can do in certain instances, for better or worse.> Or to make the area you would get it inaccessible in geno route, which would require moving the item to a later area, and removing the overworld bullet sections up to the area you moved it to.this would cause far more problems than it solve, shifting the design so that a main element of the gameplay doesn't happen until later, and doesn't account for partial/aborted genocide very well if it was tied to "the geno route". It's "the game can't take items from be because" which is a personal hangup that prevents the game actually reacting because it would be "arbitrary". It's far too easy of a word to throw around because everything is arbitrary if I don't think the reason passes a bar that again, gets set arbitrarily.
>>4061628nta but I hated it on a mechanical level. The fights and bullet patterns were just so disappointing to prior chapters that I simply didn't expect to get let down in that way specifically. I went on a whole rant about all the mechanical things that bothered me and forgot about the chapter itself just being kind of boring.
>>4061622>I bet that ball artifact in UT really got you going, huh?Eh, this stuff didn't piss me off as much back then. Besides, I didn't even find it when I played the game back then. My first knowledge of it came from a video on easter eggs in Undertale. Though that kind of Toby writing is probably what has made me hate it so much. Deltarune is the main reason I despise this kind of thing so much. I always disliked it, but Deltarune made me hate it.>Depends which era of Hussie we're talking about.Doing stuff specifically to spite the audience is late stage Hussie behavior.>Who?You know, the guy in the image macro you posted.
>>4061633>Deltarune is the main reason I despise this kind of thing so much. I always disliked it, but Deltarune made me hate it.I didn't think DR did much of stuff like that specifically.>Doing stuff specifically to spite the audience is late stage Hussie behavior.Eh, he always did a little bit of that here and there.>You know, the guy in the image macro you posted.Oh, right.Yeah, I never watched that show, I just think the meme is funny.
>>4061625>The difficulty will forge weak players into becoming strong, or they will simply perish.Yeah but at that point the shield would make you go "this would have been really useful 5 minutes ago">Maybe it could happen somewhere later on, after the player's gotten to have their training wheels for a bit.I can see that happening, but it would have to be with something else.>For the love of god make there be a random chance for him to do that with some enemies, it would be so fucking funny.It could be a random chance or just a disrespectful ACT, like Val giving the shield to a very prideful enemy because he knows the enemy would interpret it as an insult.
>>4061641>I can see that happening, but it would have to be with something else.Ah, fair enough.Perhaps someday easymode players will be made to suffer like they deserve.>It could be a random chance or just a disrespectful ACT, like Val giving the shield to a very prideful enemy because he knows the enemy would interpret it as an insult.Oh, yeah, I could see that working pretty decently.Maybe the characters you do it with would have alternate dialogue for being given the shield and still being beaten anyway, could be some fun extra characterization as a reward for a harder fight against them.
>>4061619>SpoilerAm I really that obvious? And that predictable? Well, thanks for the warning, I guess. I probably won't be playing the genocide route then. I hope you will at least refrain from that stuff during the neutral or pacifist runs.Although, since I've been found out, I might as well share an idea this discussion gave me this discussion and the idea of Val fucking me over like that got me feeling genuinely angry at Val (silly, I know), which in turn made me imagine how I could punish him to get even. That eventually lead me to imagining doing something similar with Racter. Say he at some point refuses an item or assistance out of politeness or pride, an item that you wanted, and he didn't consult you. So since you can't just stop and tell him your issue, you decide to tell him another way. You walk him over to a rock and make him punch it, really hard, breaking his wing. Then make him walk all the way to the save point to fix it. Then optionally, you can make him attack enemies with his bad wing, hurting him even worse. If you keep this up, he starts begging for you to stop, spitting out apologies for whatever it was he did, but you keep going, even freaking out the enemies. He keeps swinging, mangling his wing worse with every attack. The enemies are so psyched out. Eventually he guesses what you were mad about and finally promises to never do it again, begging you to forgive him. The enemies avoid you until you heal at a save point. I don't intend to do anything with this, just a rather edgy scenario I thought up because of the discussion.
A little birdie told me you might find this game interesting...https://litter.catbox.moe/x1zxq5ud9rxv2kgk.zipIt's an UTY fangame/mod, though it's a demo, with the demo content being separate from the game.(Consider scanning it if you think something's off, but it should be a modified UTY.)
>>4061645>Am I really that obvious? And that predictable? NTA, but yes.Especially with how you described certain things back there, practically gave yourself away from the get-go.>spoilerDamn, little sadist, you are.I like it.
>>4061623I think the term is quantum ogre
>>4061630Its not arbitrary because the connatation is fundamentally different. Its not just changing it, its specifically taking away something the player already has to make the game harder. That's going to piss the player off. Maybe not masochists like you, but that's going to piss everyone else off.
>>4061628>I don't think most people have that much hatred for it,I know, in my ideal world, people would.
>>4061651I dunno anon, Genocide route's always had the social contract in this fandom of being "the hardest route" changing things to make it the hardest route would be pretty normal. It's not like you're forced into genocide to beat the game after all you're doing this specifically for the challenge and hype moments and aura
>>4061646So is this the project you've been working on? I've been looking for an excuse to replay Yellow, so I might give this a try soon.
>>4061635>I didn't think DR did much of stuff like that specifically.Everything deltarune does is some form of cocktease, blueball, countermand, taunt, or trick. You just don't see it because that stuff doesn't bother you.
>>4061646Oh hoo?
>>4061641>It could be a random chance or just a disrespectful ACTOk, even I would like that. If you turn it from fucking with the player to letting the player power trip (even if doing so requires more skill) then its based. It should still be optional though.
>>4061659>Everything deltarune does is some form of cocktease, blueball, countermand, taunt, or trick.Sometimes, but that's not always a bad thing.Spamton NEO was technically a trick, putting the disc in only for nothing to happen at first, but then it surprises you shortly after. That's not the biggest thing in the world, but I did see a few people get genuinely caught off guard by that.I also thought the Knight suddenly barging into chapter 3 was pretty good, and that was a pretty hard counter to the direction the chapter seemed to be going in after beating Tenna.
>>4061645>Am I really that obvious? And that predictable?not always, but in this conversation yeah.
>>4061645>Am I really that obvious? And that predictable?I only know one anon that dislikes it that much when the player character doesn't follow the player's orders.>I probably won't be playing the genocide route then.Hey don't encourage bad behaviors if you don't want the kid to act like an asshole at all times>hope you will at least refrain from that stuff during the neutral or pacifist runs.Val won't be breaking any useful items or stuff like that in the other routes, don't worry about it.>spoilerDamn anon, I know you can come up with edgy stuff but I didn't think you would go for the "abuse Racter" route, that bird shouldn't pay for the crimes of Val.
>>4061648>Damn, little sadist, you are.>I like it.Its a shame you can't see the stuff I don't share. I'm sure naranjanon could attest to the turbo edgy shit I write for fun involving my characters. I don't know what about this brings it out in me, since I don't normally like this kind of them. But Deltarune as a series seems to just make me get genuinely hateful at times.I guess I can blame tricky Tony for giving me such a long standing love hate relationship with a game.
>>4061646Does this use the new or old sprites?
>>4061646I am excited to check this out, my thanks to the "little birdie">>4061658 my assumption about the way he's been posting about this is he wants to keep plausible deniability going.
>>4061655Its not the changing things that's the issue, its the snatching the item out of my inventory and flaunting it in my face that's the issue.
>>4061670>Its a shame you can't see the stuff I don't share. I'm sure naranjanon could attest to the turbo edgy shit I write for fun involving my characters.Huh, writing stuff behind closed doors?Alright, keep your secrets.>I don't know what about this brings it out in me, since I don't normally like this kind of them. But Deltarune as a series seems to just make me get genuinely hateful at times.You're effectively using them like a stress ball.
>>4061650I've always called it teleporting ogre because it warps from one location to another conveniently, but looking it up, apparently it's supposed to be quantum ogre. The meaning is probably clear either way but you're right.
>>4061675I dunno anon I just genuinely cannot fathom why you get so tilted by this. The whole point of genocide is kicking the shit out of the game anyway what's the matter if it takes a tiny victory
>>4061666It is good sometimes, but it can also be bad, very bad. And *everything* being a trick or blueball all the time *is* bad.
>>4061665If I go with the random chance idea it will be exclusive to the genocide route and only to a generic enemy, the last thing I'd want to add is an element of randomness to a difficult boss.
>>4061679Yeah, but I wouldn't say everything in the game has been a trick so far.Hell, chapter 2 was pretty straightforward outside of the weird route and Spamton NEO, and chapter 1 was almost entirely simple and clean, basically no real twists at all, except for the very end with Kris.
Well, it appears that a demo has been released.In other news, my own demo is complete, so it's time for another monthly update and a plan on what to do next.Now my demo as it stands is fairly short, and doesn't exactly have what I would consider "much content". But as with all of these demos there is more planned ahead. If I want to be honest now, trying to get everything right for the demo has left me burnt out, and I think I'll be taking a short break to focus on things other than game development.Though what I can say is that, even prior to the demo's release, most content past the demo has been written and planned out, just without assets and such. For what to expect in the full game, I believe that the total runtime will amount to about ninety minutes. That might sound short if you were expecting an Undertale-length fangame, but I can promise you that there will be plenty of content to be had in that time (possibly more, but go at your own pace).Last but not least, I'll probably spend a day or two fixing bugs and testing the game. But I actually want to get back to the more creative parts, like writing or even drawing, since that's part of what made development appealing for me to begin with.
>>4061686Are you talking about that thing that was posted a little earlier?
>>4061686I'm glad you've made progress you silly cryptid.
>>4061668>I only know one anon that dislikes it that much when the player character doesn't follow the player's orders.Well, rather than be ashamed, I will stand by it. I'm the player and I'm in charge, good player characters should understand that. Bad player characters will be made to understand.>spoilerI probably won't anyways, I'm kind of a wuss when it comes to these games. Contrary to what my edgelord stories might tell you, I actually don't like hurting the cute little scrimblo characters.>but I didn't think you would go for the "abuse Racter" route, that bird shouldn't pay for the crimes of Val.Not just Val's crimes. Kris's too, and Susie's, and Ralsei's, and most of all Toby's. Not that he wouldn't have been abused anyways, its his lot in life.>picfucking lmao
>>4061678The matter is that it makes the player character my enemy, and makes those victories no longer mine, but the victories of my enemy. He's stolen not only my item, but all of my victories.
>>4061698I'm not even particularly sure how to respond to that
>>4061677He's not teleporting. He was just "always" there, because that was the way you went. So before that, he was always in both places at once. Effectively being in a quantum state.
>>4061701it still works because he just teleports the moment he's out of sight.
>>4061698Anon, I know we've all got the tism here but this is making me dizzy.
>>4061676>You're effectively using them like a stress ball.No, because I don't normally feel this kind of hatered, nor the need to act it out on things. I think these games inspire those feelings. >Alright, keep your secrets.You're not missing much. Its cathartiic genoslides tier edgy and isn't much more than a few scenes.
>>4061701>>4061703The quantum ogre sounds like an enemy type for a science based area in Undertale, maybe he used to be one of the most respected scientists at the steamworks.
>>4061686Seriously though, which sprites does it use? New or old?
>>4061708>No, because I don't normally feel this kind of hatered, nor the need to act it out on things. I think these games inspire those feelings. So, game-inspired stress, then.>You're not missing much. Its cathartiic genoslides tier edgy and isn't much more than a few scenes.Even small scraps like that can be interesting, but if you insist.We've all got our secrets.
>>4061646alright, I've scanned this and don't personally see anything. Which means surely I'm already undone.Anyways you've got my attention out the gate
Check out these UTY sprite redesigns I found on DeviantArt.
>>4061712good news
>>4061714
>>4061686One more thing I wanted to say regarding my writing:Maybe I've said this before, but putting all my effort into writing was quite honestly, frustrating at the time, and there's a reason why it took me a full year to get through dialogue. For me, the dialogue is never really "good enough" and while I hope that it's close to how characters in UT/UTY spoke, I always see room for improvement.So, that leaves me with having to rewrite the same lines over again, and even now I can't say I'm completely satisfied. I always thought it was more fun to be an ideas guy, and I think that most other fangame devs think the same.In the future, I'd like to get back to brainstorming again, but as for the current game I've likely already had everything planned out.>>4061689Well, a demo was posted recently, so I'm taking that into account.
>>4061711Sounds more like a gag enemy to me. You're presented with a choice of paths, one of which has an enemy while the other has an item. Only you'll always pick the path with the enemy first, and said enemy is the quantum ogre.
>>4061716holy fuck that martletthat starlo.Wait is that supposed to be el bailador? I know he's standing right next to it but what in the absolute?
>>4061716Well, I...At least they gave Martlet bigger tits?
>>4061700>>4061706So what you're saying is that my tism is simply stronger than yours?
>>4061726I think what i'm saying is you need to realize that these are not real people and that it comes off like you're getting mad over fairly basic things happening in a narrative
>>4061721it more comes from DM's that dispell the illusion of choice because the players go down the path, see the ogre and say "woah fuck that I'm not dealing with THAT" and they try to go another way and oh dang would you look at that, it's the ogre! Looks like you're gonna have to fight him anyways player.Could be used for a good gag in a game but in tabletop which is really good about "bear in mind, anything can be attempted" it's really frustrating.>>4061726Anon, I've been aware that your autism is stronger than mine for a while, but usually I can stand in the presence of "spiritual pressure" that would kill the common man. Hell I play tabletop, I've met all kinds but this? I'm light headed.
>>4061713>So, game-inspired stress, then.Sounds about right. These games have become a major source of stress for me. >we've all got our secretsYeah, but don't worry. I'll give you some high quality edgekino in the game proper.
>>4061722>>4061723What do you think of this Dalv?
>>4061693>Well, rather than be ashamed, I will stand by it. I'm the player and I'm in charge, good player characters should understand that. Bad player characters will be made to understand.I don't see player characters like that, but I won't argue with you on this.>I probably won't anyways, I'm kind of a wuss when it comes to these games. Contrary to what my edgelord stories might tell you, I actually don't like hurting the cute little scrimblo characters.I believe you said that you never played the genocide route in Undertale either, so I wasn't worried you wouldn't like the approach I'm taking the genocide route in UTN.>Not just Val's crimes. Kris's too, and Susie's, and Ralsei's, and most of all Toby's. Not that he wouldn't have been abused anyways, its his lot in life.Poor bird is carrying the sins of the entire UT/DR verse and now some of the sins from the fangames too.
>>4061720>the dialogue is never really "good enough" and while I hope that it's close to how characters in UT/UTY spokevery relatable anon. I've been in hell over that very issue lately.>So, that leaves me with having to rewrite the same lines over againhe just like me (except making way more progress on things of course)
>>4061733You know what this one isn't nearly as bad I can see the vision. Still goofy, but I can see it.
>>4061732>Sounds about right. These games have become a major source of stress for me. Yeah, see, stress ball.>Yeah, but don't worry. I'll give you some high quality edgekino in the game proper.I assume that means we'll never see any of those behind the scenes bits then, huh?Shame.
>>4061716This will be UTY after the next artist gets cancelled.
>>4061733he's a fucking mamoth or something?Also seeing dalvs new sprites side by side I really just liked his old design better. He should be thin.
>>4061716I don't mind that El Bailador design that much, its a bad redesign, but I can see it as an overworld npc.That starlo is so shitty, but also hilarious.The mixels on that Martlet are damaging my soul.
>>4061737Alright, now how about these other ones, from the same guy?Brace yourself for these ones, these might be the most extreme ones I've seen so far.
>>4061733I wonder if these were intentionally made as a parody of the new sprites.
>>4061743Instead of giving clover juandice they made him albino, my guy's a fucking vampire
>>4061733The hood having the exact shape as the horns is goofy but kind of cool too, this is just a weird redesign in general, at least its not generic.
>>4061743>well nothing seems all that bad other than some unnecessary pix- OH fuckClover became even more pale due to the hate strangling the sunlight.
>>4061729I know they aren't actually real. But they make me mad like they are all the same.
>>4061745Here's a description of the post on DA.This was made 12 hours ago, by the by.
>>4061753>yellow has a lot of furries>redesigns have exactly as many furrieso I am havin a laff.
>>4061733What's he supposed to be holding?
>>4061752you can tell me all you want that you know they aren't real but you getting mad like they are tells me a different story, anon.
>>4061742>That starlo is so shitty, but also hilarious.Name even one single thing wrong with the immaculate arrangement of pixels you see before you, I'll wait.>The mixels on that Martlet are damaging my soul.I see nothing wrong here.
>>4061731>Bear in mindFirst quantum ogres, now psychic bears?> but usually I can stand in the presence of "spiritual pressure" that would kill the common man. Hell I play tabletop, I've met all kinds but this? I'm light headed.I will gladly take the title of Autism Aizen
>>4061756I think it's like a really messed up walking cane.
>>4061758nta but I feel like they added goggles to piss me off specifically. A tactical nuke directly on my psyche>>4061719I almost said "do your worst" but I remembered what happened last time I typed that assortment of letters.
>>4061743>kanako help i've been PALEd>ooough im sorry clover i cant my BIG FLUFFY $$$$ING TAIL needs maintenance
>>4061720>>4061720>Maybe I've said this before, but putting all my effort into writing was quite honestly, frustrating at the time, and there's a reason why it took me a full year to get through dialogue. Yeah, dialogue for me is one of the hardest parts of game dev, I've put an embarrasing amount of time in dialogue that I consider to be mid at best.>For me, the dialogue is never really "good enough" This as well, I kind of give up after rewriting the dialogue and just go with the last thing I wrote, I never feel satisfied with the lines I write.>So, that leaves me with having to rewrite the same lines over again, and even now I can't say I'm completely satisfied. I always thought it was more fun to be an ideas guy, and I think that most other fangame devs think the same.Being an ideas guy is fun and all, but there are still parts of the development that I actually enjoy, coding can be frustrating at times but its really satisfying when you can get that mechanic to work as you intended.
>>4061738>I assume that means we'll never see any of those behind the scenes bits then, huh?>Shame.Maybe I'll post them later after there's no longer a risk of spoilers, if I still have them by then.>yeah, see, stress ballOh, as in a ball that causes stress. A stressful ball.
>>4061762>nta but I feel like they added goggles to piss me off specifically. A tactical nuke directly on my psycheI was gonna bring that up, but I feel like the design has so much else wrong with it that the goggles themselves are really just a side issue at that point, they're the least of our concerns.>I almost said "do your worst" but I remembered what happened last time I typed that assortment of letters.Oh, sorry, I'm not actually the dev, I can't use my MJ12 resources to ruin your life remotely.I am the person you last said "do your worst" to though.
>>4061716cognitohazardus starlo, every time I see that sprite I go into an uncontrollable fit of laughter no matter how many times I look at it. Hazardous material ass image
>>4061765>Maybe I'll post them later after there's no longer a risk of spoilers, if I still have them by then.Hope you keep track of them.>Oh, as in a ball that causes stress. A stressful ball.Or a stress-ball, as in a ball of stress. Maybe that's a better description for you specifically though.
>>4061734>nd now some of the sins from the fangames too.Oh its been like that for a while. UTY's pacifist ending and my thoughts on it were a big inspiration behind the entire world wanting him dead for the soul.
>>4061646I wonder how the "little birdie" feels about people outside of here getting this demo or if it's like how some people want their demons less spread around.I liked the tree covered in snow indoors>>4061766>Oh, sorry, I'm not actually the devI didn't think you were since I have a feeling he's not going to openly respond to anyone, but>am the person you last said "do your worst" to though.now there's some coincidence. My fucking danger senses kept me from saying it.>they're the least of our concerns.they are but it's like, they're just fucking there tacked on. Its on purpose, it's the fucking MJ12
>>4061768I posted it here like less than 20 minutes ago, how many times could there have been by now?
>>4061743>sidemouth barefoot roba with a tailWell, I guess we know what he likes>chujinHe looks like he's on acid>Cloveris that vitiligo?
>>4061772>now there's some coincidence. My fucking danger senses kept me from saying it.Frankly I'm surprised you don't sense that more often.>they are but it's like, they're just fucking there tacked on. Its on purpose, it's the fucking MJ12"You take another step, and here I am again. Like your own reflection repeating in a hall of mirrors." - (the concept of birds wearing goggles apparently)
>>4061733These kind of remind me of swapfell
>>4061774about seven times at least. I keep mousing over it to look at marlet more, glance at starlo, and immediately start laughing again
>>4061778>- (the concept of birds wearing goggles apparently)I'm fucking seizing up with laughter at that I don't know how it's this funny to me.
>>4061753You made this to fuck with us.
>>4061776>Well, I guess we know what he likesNah, I think she's wearing those japanese sandal things, with the things sticking out of the bottoms.I have seen a decent amount of barefoot Ceroba redesigns though.>He looks like he's on acidYeah, I dunno what the hell they did to him.>is that vitiligo?It's impressive that they managed to whitewash a white guy, you've gotta give them that.
>>4061782Anon, I wish I was half the comedic genius that random DA user is, I couldn't have come up with these designs if I had a million years to.The radically redesigned Starlo, Martlet, and Dalv, compared to the barely changed Ceroba, Chujin, and Kanako, it's all just endlessly perfect, utter comedy gold.
speaking of funny images, someone did a "last breath" clover and something about Chujin being the gaster ghost behind him just fucking kills me every time I see it. Just look at him fighting side by side with a ningen.
>>4061781Your arch-nemesis is the very concept of a bird with goggles, it simply clashes with who you are on a fundamental level.
>>4061786why is chujin the man behind the slaughter
>>4061779They aren't white/black enough to be in swapfell
>>4061786>clobber you must KILLs the filfthy ningeneral FRISP>yes, k.d. chudster.
>>4061716>that starloThey turned him into a sprue marine
>>4061772>or if it's like how some people want their demons less spread around.>demonsI don't know why I find this typo to be so funny
>>4061787fantastic. When I look deep within the void of forever to see who I am and who I am not, I will witness it, wearing those DAMN goggles>>4061788look at him, he's just having a good time.>>4061646ran into a small issue. I accidentally unplugged my headphones, and now when I plugged them back in I've just got no sound forever. I don't know if this is something the originally uty had since I don't try to trip over my fucking cords.
>>4061793this is a problem with quite a few games.i dont know what causes it but you can fix it by simply rebooting. happens with minecraft too (at least older versions)
>>4061789Clover seems pretty white
>>4061783>Yeah, I dunno what the hell they did to him.Gave him a bunch of drugs
>>4061795Clover was able to successfully Genoslide all of the underground because he was so blindingly white that no one could look at him
>>4061753its pretty funny how the guy complained about there being too many furries with similar proportions, yet the Ketsukanes which are the biggest perpetrators of this barely got changes to their shapes
>>4061786Why does Clover look like Gaster though?>>4061788He likes killing kids and making robots, it was only a matter of time before he combined the two.
>>4061793>fantastic. When I look deep within the void of forever to see who I am and who I am not, I will witness it, wearing those DAMN gogglesIn some alternate universe, perhaps your own personal hell, the UTY sprite update did nothing but give Martlet goggles to fuck with you specifically, and everyone immediately started drawing her with goggles and no one else but you has a problem with it.Anyway I'm Rod Serli-
>>4061760>First quantum ogres, now psychic bears?next comes the mind goblins unfortunately>I will gladly take the title of Autism Aizenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyi5xHtkb0the music racter hears 40 percent of the time you think of him.
>>4061783>Yeah, I dunno what the hell they did to him.>>4061796I think the idea is that he has the shiny glasses he had during the tapes, but the way they are drawn makes Chujin look like a crackhead
>>4061793>I accidentally unplugged my headphones, and now when I plugged them back in I've just got no sound forever.Never heard of this before in any GameMaker game. I don't think UTY is even supposed to account for having headphones on or not. Maybe it's an issue with your computer's audio?
>>4061801>next comes the mind goblins unfortunatelyNTA, but you mind gobblin' deez nuts?
>>4061800fuck, this actually made me feel a moment of, not quite fear but something deep within. I've already seen some artists change the way they've drawn martlet because of all of all this, while roba has just been getting tons of new art that most of which could have been made at any point since the games release.My poor beautiful bird.
>>4061790>k.d. chudsternew au swap just dropped
>>4061794yeah I rebooted, I just am sad to redo the very little I'd already done. >>4061803I mean it could be caused locally, but I tried it on UTY and it doesn't do that to it, and DRY doesn't do it. I don't know which engines each runs off of but I just know some games do it some dont.
>>4061801Not entirely inaccurate, that is one of the songs I've listened to while writing. I use Number One while thinking of Racter though.
>>4061809If you're having a problem with the demo you can probably just exit and restart. There shouldn't be anything that affects the demo in a new session since it doesn't use saves. If there's still an issue it could be something that goes beyond the game itself.
>>4061816Oh yeah it reboots and plays just fine, just mentioning it because it forced a restart in the first place. >>4061812>Number OneI want the best for Racter. I wouldn't be mad at him if he didn't do everything I wanted if we worked under a rule of compromise. I'm thinking of that Racter comfort discussion from a while back and now I feel sad.
>>4061806>Anon tosses and turns as sleeps, his unconscious mind clearly troubled by something deep within>his spasms become more frantic as the night goes on, until he suddenly wakes with a scream>he sits up in bed, panting as he catches his breath, his demons having exhausted him from within his own mind>his wife, Martlet, sits up next to him, having been stirred from her own slumber by Anon's cry of terror >"Anon? What's wrong, it's the middle of the night?", she asked, seeing the look of dread not quite cleared from her husband's face>Anon let out a deep breath as he turned to face her, still trying to calm himself from the horror his mind had conjured for him>"Oh, i-it's nothing sweetie, just another bad dream." he said, his voice not entirely convincing her, or himself>Martlet sighed, and raised one of her wings to caress his cheek, as a look of concern and care grew on her face>"Oh, Anon... why don't you lay your head down again, tell me all about it?" she suggested, patting her lap with her other wing>Anon's expression lit up, before softening at his wife's offer, before he shifted to take her up on it>he laid his head in his wife's lap, feeling his head warmed by her feathers, as she cradled his head in her wings>Anon relaxed for a moment, before he began to confess the contents of his weary mind to his beloved bird>"A-alright, just, bear with me on this, okay?" he said, a bit of nervousness creeping back into his speech>"Of course honey, I'm all ears!", Martlet said, as she looked down at him>but as she tilted her head down, Anon saw something he didn't notice before, a small twinkle of light on her head>Anon's heart skipped a beat, as a sudden flash of lighting outside their bedroom window gave him a brief glimpse at what it was that rested on his wife's head>a pair of aviation goggles>once again, Anon's screams filled the dark houseHope you enjoy your trip to the Twilight Zone, anon.
cute GOD, I WANT TO DATE MARTLET
>>4061825What happens if anon takes off Martlet's goggles?
>>4061825>>"Of course honey, I'm all ears!", Martlet said, as she looked down at himsee it was cute and comforting up to this point but I knew that things were about to take a turn>A sudden flash of lightning God I'm in a horror moviefunny stuff if it wasn't so terrifying.
>>4061646>I remember that fateful day>wait, that was a few hours agoalright I liked that line.
>>4061829it would be extremely painful
>>4061821How does that relate to Number One though?
>>4061829Perhaps he'll wake up again.Or perhaps he'll find that this is one nightmare he can't wake up from at all...
>>4061834good song and it stirred those feelings of "I want racter to be happy" within my heart.
>>4061830>see it was cute and comforting up to this point but I knew that things were about to take a turnYou get a little bit of nice stuff, before I send you straight to hell.Hope you liked it.>God I'm in a horror movie>funny stuffYou're welcome.>spoilerDon't be silly, anon.Horror movies have endings.
>>4061839>Hope you liked it.it was entertaining, and the idea of her letting me lay my head on her lap was very nice, even if I had to get torn through the outer dimension from event horizon (seeing martlet wearing goggles) to experience it.>Horror movies have endings.oh fuck, oh god. She's gonna say she likes wearing the goggles oh no.
>>4061837I wonder if you'll be able to tell which scenes I wrote to it when it comes out.
>>4061844I'll remember that you said this, and at least make an attempt to guess.
>>4061843>it was entertaining, and the idea of her letting me lay my head on her lap was very nice, even if I had to get torn through the outer dimension from event horizon (seeing martlet wearing goggles) to experience it.I aim to cause more harm each day.>oh fuck, oh god. She's gonna say she likes wearing the goggles oh no.Not only that, she's gonna be really hurt when she realizes how much you hate her goggles, and she'll start feeling like she has to hide them from you for your sake, feeling like she's hiding a part of herself from someone she thought she could be open with.For shame, anon.For shame.
>>4061846>Not only that, she's gonna be really hurt when she realizes how much you hate her goggles, and she'll start feeling like she has to hide them from you for your sake, feeling like she's hiding a part of herself from someone she thought she could be open with.if I had a nickel for every bird I felt bad about right now.
>>4061848This wouldn't have happened if you simply accepted her goggles.Next Racter's gonna find a pair of goggles he likes, and then he's gonna be upset at how much you hate them too.You are responsible for all this pain.
>>4061849
>>4061849it's gonna be like that jrpg belt trend and monsters will wear half a dozen goggles simultaneously on various parts of their body
Every time someone finds or notices me based on these threads, I feel like a supervillain being tracked to his lair.It's only happened like maybe three times, I believe, unless you count that one time in the other place with my other account, but it still somewhat amuses me.Anyway, here's the full sketch preview for my current project, if anyone cares to see it: https://litter.catbox.moe/v261oa0y9iiheob7.pngIt's not much, but it never really is, is it?I'll be out of town for a day or two, due to the thing I mentioned before.Business, and all.
>>4061856>https://litter.catbox.moe/v261oa0y9iiheob7.pnglooking good so far anon, when time permits of course after everything you've got going on, I look forward to seeing it done.>imageNTA but it's not common that I see anons out in the wild, however it's a strange feeling seeing it when it happens. it's also endlessly amusing seeing people admitting to lurking here while being scornful about it. makes me wonder how many people truly visit our threads since the number who engage in posts is generally a fraction.
>>4061856>CerobaYou're awfully chill for a man getting a foxwife in his DMs
>>4061856Roba's robas got bigger since the last time? Anyway your drawing is looking pretty good>let Ceroba message youWhat?
>>4061858>looking good so far anon, when time permits of course after everything you've got going on, I look forward to seeing it done.In time, yes. I just regret being disrupted by this, of all things, though obviously for grander reasons than just not being able to work on a drawing for a bit.
>>4061859The implications of this suggest that Ceroba has seen my work, and likes it.Including [that one].An amusing mental image, I suppose.
>>4061860>Roba's robas got bigger since the last time?Actually I think they're a bit smaller, but maybe my perspective's off.>Anyway your drawing is looking pretty goodThank you for saying that.>What?Yeah, I did a double-take too.
>>4061863Also that Ceroba uses the phrase "cool beans" in casual conversation.
>>4061856I'd kind of prefer if people didn't bother people off site, in any sort of like, random accosting sort of way.Yet accounting guys incidentally showing heartwarming unusuality that don't post here at all that especially shouldn't be bothered, but if it's on good terms I guess there's no harm in it.It's an honor system.
>>4061646alright, I played through it, I'll say that I'm interested. there's a post ending thing if you sit on the ending screen long enough so that's got me especially curious Most of the writing was cute, I'll admit the wind thing probably needs a bit of smoothing out visually, maybe with some effects or lines around martlet to sell what's going on. I wonder what THE MAIN MAN MO has in store thanks for sharing.
>>4061861understandable. take it easy anon, or as best you can accounting for the situation>>4061869>Yet accounting guys incidentally showing heartwarming unusuality that don't post here at all that especially shouldn't be botheredmaybe I'm just tired but this sentence is confusing me.
>>4061879Don't think about it too hard.You know, don't bug people that don't want to be bugged, that's faggoty behavior.
>>4061875> post ending thing if you sit on the ending screen long enough What? How did you figure that out?
>>4061884 my gamer instincts simply told me that If I left the game running that something would happen, and it did. I'm curious who could be receiving the phone call from THE MAIN MAN
>>4061646I think it would have been cool if Martlet comented on some of the objects you can interact with in her house, that being said the writing here wasn't bad at all, its cool to see that we have a proper Martlet date, even if its unoficial.
>>4061875>Most of the writing was cuteYeah I guess that's to be expected, when most of it is with Martlet
>>4061868>>4061863>>4061856Can you do one of those MS-paint drawings of Roba saying "cool beans"?
>>4061869As the person who was messaged, I don't particularly mind it. It's not like they were harassing me to draw something, or generally being a prick, so they're fine. I've gotten both of those while staying right here before, so as far I'm concerned, the site itself has no bearing on anything.
oh yeah, I saw someone draw Ceroba as a centaur. Alright goodnight.
>>4061902I mean it's better than drawing her as an actual horse like it used to happen
>>4061896I'll think about it, but someone will likely beat me to it before I could.
>>4061858I lurk here everyday and I would participate in discussions if not for having nothing to say.Also unrelated, but do you all accept all fics or just the smut ones?
>>4061908maybe, but I want to see your rendition of it
>>4061902i remember hearing a fox centaur be called a foxtrot before
>>4061911Hm.I suppose we'll see.
>>4061905She deserved it, the retard
>>4061909I dont have an issue with lurkers themselves. Theres just some people who admit to lurking here on other places with a certain amount of disdain like they are too good for it (despite still in fact coming here). >Also unrelated, but do you all accept all fics or just the smut ones?We have anons who have written tons of non lewd greens and fics. More than we have actual lewd content made. If youre wanting to contribute by all means its welcome.
>>4061909>Also unrelated, but do you all accept all fics or just the smut ones?Did you take a look at the librarby? There's only a few smut fics, unless you want to count greentexts as part of the fics https://rentry.org/The-Librarby
I'm going to bed now, relatively early. Not early enough to get any real rest, of course.I may try and pop in every now and then whenever I can while I'm away from home, but for the next few days, consider me gone.You all have fun without me.
Did this thread suddenly stop posting for some reason?
>>4061937usually at this time most anons go to sleep, that's normal. it will pick up again when they wake up
>>4061937There's really not that much to discuss right now, Naranja has a shield mechanic, and there was some stuff about the jumping mechanic in one of the DRYs, but as for actual stuff to talk about there really isn't that much to say aside from waiting for someone to make something new.Which you know, isn't weird, that's kind of how threads are supposed to go.
>>4061938It's weird, the thread was going active for a while and then there was suddenly no activity.>>4061939Though what about that other fangame that came out today?
>>4061941The little epilogue thing for Undertale Yellow?It alright.
>>4061942Was gonna ask you more about what that meant, but honestly it is pretty late for most, so I'd rather ask for everyone's opinions in a few hours from now
you ever run into a bug and just wonder...
>>4061949"why?"this is a default 2d project. the Z axis should be doing absolutely nothing, and is only there for if i decide to break the default 2d settings. ordering should be handled by the sorting layer.and yet, lo and behold.an asshole thats kept me up for 20 more minutes than i want to be up.
>>4061879That sentence is all fucked because the fag writing it put a secret message at the start of it.
>>4061949>>4061950Not sure what you mean, but I see Scale Z highlighted and changed from 0 to 1. That seems normal and you should leave it at 1. 3D engines do matrix math on the scaling vector to render stuff and there can be unwanted side effects if you try to render with dimensions of size 0. Just set it to 1 like X and Y.1 = 1.0 = 100% size = good default value
>>4061959i just realized that its Z scale and not Z position (it is 4AM). which yeah rendering with a dimension of 0 would just pop it out of existence.anyways, i never set it to 0 myself.i had moved the canvas component to an always active parent so that i could rescale the canvas whenever, and for some reason it set the rect transform scales of this component to 0.
>>4061957>Yet Accounting Guys IncidentallyYAGI>Showing Heartwarming UnusualitySHUDamn, I didn't notice that. The post is still written very weirdly though, or did I miss any other hidden things?
>>4061949>>4061950It's probably not too interesting to most people, but "2D games weren't really "a thing".Admittedly in most scenarios you couldn't use the z axis all that much in a lot of games and so it was crushed down to maybe a range of like maybe 3 "real" layers of depth and in those keeping track of a draw order for some more depth in those layers.But with engines like Godot, game maker I'm pretty sure, and Unity it's a little more blatant that there are 3 Dimensions, even in ostensibly 2D applications.If I had to guess, setting the Z scaling to Zero probably either culls the asset or squishes it behind the rest of the game's assets.
>>4061964Seems like it's just saying extra don't bug people that don't post here.
>>4061968>It's probably not too interesting to most people, but "2D games weren't really "a thing"What the fuck is this post? Godot and Game Maker have full 2D support where you don't have to worry about the Z-axis or coordinates. It's really just Unity and god forbid, UE that are awkward for 2D
>>4061972I kinda get it, maybe like godot and game maker don't expose the z axis for 2D but it's still there like when you put shit in there's still like a front to back arrangement of stuff.
>>4061973>there's still like a front to back arrangement of stuffHow the fuck else would you draw things?I'm guessing you're trying to say all modern game engines pass textures, transforms, and shaders to the GPU because it beats the shit out of software rendering (true), but I've written my own rendering code and you don't waste space in the graphics pipeline for useless Z-coordinates when 2D rendering anymore. So there's really nothing 3D about it
>>4061975I'm not the dude who made the original post lol
>>4061976I'm trying to interpret>maybe like godot and game maker don't expose the z axis for 2D but it's still there like when you put shit in there's still like a front to back arrangement of stuff
>>4061978I don't know like even if it isn't a real axis it's still there if you're making stuffSo like stuff breaks even if there isn't a z layer to what you're making
>>4061968>>4061972>>4061975for unity 2d the camera is set to orthographic by default and a few editor tools are changed to use 2d, so for the dev and end user 3d functionally doesnt exist outside of the Z axis still being there for rotation and scale (which both do have their own effects)but the important thing is that its still there, which means that if you want to you could pretty easily pop the camera into perspective and start messing around.honestly, it could be pretty fun to create a 3d testing room, but i'd need to do a bit of tinkering to make it work right so if im including that in the demo it'd be the last thing i make. realistically...>separate movement system for 3d rooms that uses Z instead of Y (i think thats the only change movement itself would need? since the movement is still fundamentally 2d, i shouldnt need to make any changes to bounding boxes)>cole's shooting ability would need a different graphic, since the current one is dependent on 2d UI (im thinking about doing this anyways since it'll be a proper raycast once i update it)>sadie's pray ability would need a slight graphics adjustment (just splitting the glow into a separate sprite so that it can appear on the floor properly)>a room designed for it, a given.>3d battle transitions should actually work properly, if a bit weird looking.honestly im just amazed that the UI is intact in 3d mode.
>>4061981No, you can just render stuff sequentially with no depth buffer or Z-axis. Unity has that problem but that's because it wasn't designed for 2D.It's also not a serious issue. Plenty of solid 2D games have been made in Unity. You can just Google all the problems you need to sidestep and remember never to set Z-scale to 0 or something
>>4061869>yagipedo
>>4061949>>4061950most engines will freak out with 0 scale, it's why when games want to hide meshes sometimes they will go with making it really small like 0.001 scale since that isn't 0 but its small enough to hide from the player
I'm still miffed about Mooch's sprites.
>>4062110The latest ones aren't as bad (eye shadow sexo) but what were they thinking with the first try, it took everyone complaining about them to just base them on the ogs but slightly altered.
>>4061941>Though what about that other fangame that came out today?It was neat. I posted about it until I went to bed. I doubt jannies will let us have threads in peace but I plan on bringing it up this weekend.When it was posted some people seemed to think it was something to replay uty on and so put off booting it up. Thinking about it more, like I said its pretty neat, most of the dialogue works well though theres a couple moments where it was awkward and could use polishing (the flight for instance) but overall I could imagine her saying most of what she said. Her bringing up chujin felt off because shes learned at least part of chujins dark secret but she talks in a way like shes not having to process that conflicting information. I dont ecpect her to hate him now but rather I feel like when she said "I wish you could have met him", I see her freezing and remembering the tapes and adding something like, "then again, I dont know if I ever really got to know him..." before shaking it off and continuing (which is how the demo handled other times she hit a roadbump).I posted a few of the lines I liked last night but there's a bunch of good ones. I have a feeling a lot of people will miss the secret dialogue thing at the end.
>>4062112they changed them again?what do they look like now?
>>4062195>I feel like when she said "I wish you could have met him"I'd chalk it up to her wanting to see the best in people and hoping that Chujin would change his mind about humans once he meets Clover.Keep in mind that this is well after his whole "humans are dangerous" rant, so that's the most reasonable explanation for her attitude.
>>4062329>I'd chalk it up to her wanting to see the best in people and hoping that Chujin would change his mind about humans once he meets Clover.I think this is very on character for her but>Keep in mind that this is well after his whole "humans are dangerous" rant, so that's the most reasonable explanation for her attitude.Also keep in mind this is hours after she saw the tapes chujin left behind (the demo mentions its only been hours since she first met clover).It feels like something that would make her stumble over her words more in that moment with how recent the new revelations are.
>>4062333Did she see Chujin's secret tape? Based on the (original) tape, he never actually went into *how* he acquired the serum. And there wasn't exactly anything new regarding his opinion on humans.Personally, I would expect Martlet to try to have all her friends get along, unless if it was like, Undyne or something
>>4062341>Did she see Chujin's secret tape? Based on the (original) tape, he never actually went into *how* he acquired the serum.Correct but she does learn of his plans to secure a pure soul and continue the experimentation from there.>And there wasn't exactly anything new regarding his opinion on humans.No but experimenting on the culmination of someones being as indicated by his plans is a big deal. I wouldnt doubt that martlet might not put together that he had integritys soul, she strikes me as the type to miss that on first read so to speak, but its even addressed in the pacifist ending wigh everyone present that basically chujin was doing terrible things but thats not his legacy >Personally, I would expect Martlet to try to have all her friends get along, unless if it was like, Undyne or somethingYes again I agree, but I think she'd stumble over this when bringing chujin up so soon. She was clearly seriously shocked when you finish watching the original tapes, this was a surprise to her even if she knew he didnt like humans. It would make more sense for her to add something after pausing like"I-I know what he did was wrong Clover but he had a good heart... Im sure if he'd just gotten to meet you he wouldnt have done...Im sorry, I shouldn't be dwelling on this right now."Her reaction should take into account what has just happened, and how her mentors words are almost what led to clover getting killed.
Huh, I was expecting this thread to become more active, but instead there's hardly anything at all
>>4062385then start a conversation anon, ask a question and if people are interested they will reply
>>4062385It was super active yesterday, like really really active. The /vrpg/ varies a lot in activity. Anyways its mid day for much of the posting population, and college has started back up so workan and learnan anons are more busy.
>>4062387No, I think it's probably just you who's also in the thread now, weren't you the one replying about Chujin?Are these threads finally winding down to pre-2025 levels?
>>4062393>weren't you the one replying about Chujin?no, I didn't read that conversation at all, I usually just glaze over when there are big paragraphs because there are some anons that are fond on going on 100+ post back and forth about inane things so I just mentally filter them out, but I'm still lurking and reply to smaller posts
>>4062385Some days are slower than others, these threads were never made to have non stop discussion either, if there's nothing to discuss then there's no point to keep posting, unless someone has a dev update, a fic or fanart to post
>>4062394I think my theory of these threads being the same ten or so anons going back and forth might be close to the truth. That seems to explain how these get to 3k replies on average, it's the same points being spewed back for hundreds of posts.
>>4062394>discussion about a fangame demo that dropped last night is inane thingsIts really tragic how the years of phone posters actually made people think teeny posts were the ideal. It doesnt matter if (you) are a phone poster, youve been blighted by their tainted spirit.
>>406239910 people can make pretty varied discussions, but we already know we have more than that around here. >it's the same points being spewed back for hundreds of postsWell yes, generally a discussion focuses on the points relevant to that discussion.
>>4062399>it's the same points being spewed back for hundreds of posts.You're acting as if all the long discussions from these threads are always the same topics
>>4062399dude half of those conversations involve>haha are you who i think you are?>aw man am i that obvious?its literally just the same two autists going on and on and on.
>>4062400honestly after waddling through multiple of those convos were it were just autism beam clashes about dumb shit, you kinda just mentally filter it out and miss when the convos are actually relevant to the thread
>>4062406>>haha are you who i think you are? >>aw man am i that obvious? Youre pointing at something thats happened a couple times in the last few weeks, and ignoring all of the on topic discussion and game updates that have happened in that time. Your shitposting is obvious, and sad.
>>4062406Some of those autists are devs you know
>>4062413Careful anon, you're implying that things can end up buried.
>>4062413Not really. The majority of the discussions lately haven't even been autism beam clashes.Hell, the one yesterday about the shield thing was only even partially beam clashes, and there were other conversations going on side by side.This is just a weird flavor of doom posting. Youre taking something that happened within the scope of tons of on topic discussion, and playing dumb as if it was across the whole thing."Oh no two anons disagreed and explained their points to eachother, thread has... fallen."Get real
>>4062415well then maybe the dev should get back to his custom made UT/DR engine instead of adding 1k posts to the thread before it archives.
>>4062422Or maybe you should get over yourself instead of exaggerating intensely because you have some weird grudge
Unrelated, but is there a completed version of Sig's RtF drawing that I missed? The sketch was posted here a few threads back (a few weeks ago by now) and I'm not sure if he posted a colored one later.
>>4062434I don't think he ever finished it
>>4062438Should it be archived at this point? I don't even know if he ever planned for there to be a colored version... Unless if he posts the colored version in this thread later
Im curious if that person who mentioned asking how we feel about fics might pop up and add some content of his own. Im excited for the stuff in progress from existing write anons, but it would be really cool to see someone else throw their hat in the ring too.The idea of new writers, artists and maybe even devs showing up with the recent surge is nice.>>4062444Which image in particular are you talking about. Laat image I saw him post was the roba/martlet butt image, but I've had to miss out on the majority of the weekend threads lately
>>4062447I didn't even save the sketch because I was expecting a finished one to be posted later, well let's just say that it's been a few weeks and I'm still waiting.Incase you were wondering though, it was another RtF character sheet with designs for Mooch, Mo, Gizmo, and Red.
>>4062427nta but maybe you should stop getting defensive when anons occasionally bitch about thread quality
>>4062455Ah that one! Yeah I dont think any follow up has been done, sometimes he doesnt go back and color them. I know he took some requests the other day though.
>>4062459Maybe you need to get real since the threads are filled with on topic discussion, and the things being bitched about, and treated as if they are everpresent, are actually tiny pieces of various conversations.Gross exagerration just makes the point sound foolish.
>>4062460>I know he took some requests the other day though.Anon that was like two weeks ago. I don't think he's drawing them now.
>>4062466Eh, he did a request of mine like a week or two after I originally requested it one time. I dont know what his schedule is like so I just assume he gets to things when he feels the ink flowing through him or something.
>>4062472Never thought I'd bring this up, but admittedly there have been times where he simply didn't draw anyone's requests, and I think this happened a few times with mine.(though one time it might've been someone pretending to be him.)
>>4062463We had some similar complaints and doomposting before the UTN demo and DRY Chapter 2 released, but its weird to still see them when just yesterday someone posted a new demo.Also to the /mtt/ archive guy, Undertale Yellow Reloaded should be added to it.
>>4062476*And I should be clear that this isn't some kind of rant against him. I enjoy all the drawings he makes and I've been keeping up with his art for years now. Maybe there are times where he's busy or simply forgets, but I wouldn't know.
>>4062476Just like any other creator here, the drawfags don't really owe us anything, so when requests go out I dont really hold them to any expectations. Maybe they do it and it takes a while, or maybe they dont. Either way I was just recounting what I remember him saying. I look forward to whatever he does next though.
>>4061627>How does that work?Have you ever played or watched anything that felt as if the author had carefully designed almost every single detail to personally piss you off? The Last Jedi was like that for me but at the very least I had an idea of what goes on before watching. Deltarune chapter 3 (and some of 4) was also like that too, but I jumped into it genuinely expecting to have a good time.And I'm not talking only about the usual suspects, I'm talking about shit as simple as not being able to get another spin cake. And the game fucking boasts about how I'm wrong for feeling like that multiple times. Shut the fuck up Susie, I went through fucking MANTLE because I need the item to stand a chance on one of the few worthwhile things in this chapter.As for 4, it's pretty much what you said.I liked 5 because it was finally another taste of what I actually enjoy in these games, as tongue-in-cheek and half assed as it was.
throw a stone into a pack of dogs and the one that yelps is the one you hit.
>>4062481It doesnt help that we just had a lot of on topic development discussions, as well as some light hearted stuff like "the big bed" discussion. There was also that neat undertale zero discussion. Things have been lively lately in a lot of good ways, and we've had updates for the various games back to back
>>4062111Kanarizon
I presume there's ~30-50 people here give or take some allowance for certain individuals that samefag across multiple devices and lurkers given every time a Noz gets posted, about 30 ips show up to there for about 15 minutes and it doesn't really take that long to view the posted image and some wiggle room for browsing the gallery.Yes, I am aware that there is the issue of samefagging that is present in this thread, and the issue that the data is necessarily "contaminated" because Noz has its own community.But I think it's a fairly safe ballpark.
>>4062485>Have you ever played or watched anything that felt as if the author had carefully designed almost every single detail to personally piss you off?Yes, I have played chapter 5.>The Last JediOh, yeah. That too.>. Shut the fuck up SusieChapters 3 and 4 really made me dislike Susie, so I get the feeling.>And the game fucking boasts about how I'm wrong for feeling like that multiple times.I remember being pissed off about the backhanded remarks involving the hat, but I'd be curious to know what your specific instances were. Anyways, funnily enough, most of the things you say about 3 and 4 are why I hate chapter 5. The whole chapter felt meanspirited and irony poisoned, while also being a nostalgia ouroboros devouring its own tail for member berries.
>>4062493>I presume there's ~30-50 people here give or takeThe results of the popularity poll gave us something like 25+ users, granted that was months ago and I know more people have joined the threads ever since, so 30+ seems consistent with the results.
>>4062493Thats the ballbark ive always figured since we get around 30 responses to polls, and a good percentage of people dont post or respond to poll (some overlap logically but not all) I didn't know noz tracks IPs like that but I only access it from my desktop when I look at the art being shared.You've done gone internet hackered me
So, does anyone have that RtF drawing saved?I figure there wasn't going to be a colored version, and maybe it is better if the current one is archived somewhere
>>4062509I mean it does and it doesn't every website (network connection under the usual Internet Protocol, but lets keep this simple) technically gets "Your" IP whenever you connect to it, but the only thing Noz does with it is a rolling record unique connected IPs stored as unrelated hashes and if you've submitted a picture or not that are purged after 5 minutes.
>>4062522That makes sense. I figured it wasnt actually any concern, no more so than when 4chan had an ip count for instance (we could actually use that on several of the boards that get rampant shitposters)
>>4062519I normally save everything he posts but I feel terrible saying that I cant find it in my folders. If no one else posts it I'll go looking for the link in the archive after work.
>>4062519I have it but not on this machine, if no one has uploaded it by then I will upload once I get to it
>>4062531Thanks anon
I still really don't understand why chapter 5 was so insistent on referencing stuff from chapter 1, since the Flower King shop doesn't have any real connection to the card kingdom, and also because the nostalgia-bait angle only really works for people who played the game when it first came out, which means it really won't work as well (if it worked at all to begin with) once the game is all said and done.
>>4062551The nostalgia bait already didn't work for me because I replayed chapter 1 not too long ago
>>4062507>I'd be curious to know what your specific instances were.The bit in MANTLE I already mentioned.Susie talking about how Tenna's shit will get old.All the Ralsei hat stuff. (including chapter 5 but at least I get to live vicariously through Flowery and Orange in those moments)The spin cake dialogue after the patch.Noelle talking about Catti's movie tastes.A certain archangel I shall not name.Three from chapter 5 as well, the two remarks about leitmotifs in castle town and Ralsei talking about meeting someone new and whatever before the Pink room.There are the ones on my head now. There might be more but you can bet I won't replay just to experience this all over again.>The whole chapter felt meanspirited and irony poisonedPlease don't use the Mr. Enter catchphrase. The difference for me is that 3+4 felt like "taking your toys and crushing them" while 5 felt more like "giving you your toys and being smug about it" which I see as an improvement.>a nostalgia ouroboros devouring its own tail for member berries.I didn't like the JJ Abrams mentality in this chapter either, but it did have a few actually good new things in it for me.
>>4062551Isn't there a Deltarune thread on the catalog already?
>>4062557Saw some other people talking about DR here, felt like tossing my own unrelated two cents at no one in particular.
>>4062557Theres several I think.>>4062551Honestly I have hopes the nostalgia baiting wont be relevant to fangames since the production speed is a bit better than dr.
>>4062551I can kind of see the vision Toby possibly had for it.>"the game needs some breathing room and comic relief after how intense chapters 3 and 4 were">"I wanna let the characters be happy one last time before the end">"I wanna let people know I still love the silly stuff from the early game and I don't think having fun with that is bad"If that was well done or not it's a whole different question.I do like to point out it failed in bringing back chapter 1 in every way except some out of place assets and designs. The tone and writing was much closer to what chapter 2 was instead. And the ONE FUCKING THING I wanted to be retreaded which was another Jevil type secret boss never happened, and never will again.
It has in fact been 30 minutes and that one anon hasn't uploaded the RtF sketch.Maybe a different anon has it?
>>4062567Isn't there still going to be one last secret boss at least? I'm pretty sure the game said something about being able to get all the shadow crystals even if you didn't beat the knight, so I feel like there's gotta be one last secret boss to round things off.
>>4062579I haven't read all of Seam's dialogue to be honest. I don't think more secret bosses are out of reach but I wouldn't count on it after Pink, and regardless the window for another schizo is gone. Likely we would get something in the lines of Eram or Roaring Knight again.>>4062557Alright, alright, let's make it more on topic:UTY wasn't perfect with the member berries, but at a fundamental level they're better than the sort of shit Deltarune pulls because they come from a place of genuine appreciation for the games instead of feeling like "throwing a bone to the fans".
>>4062586>Alright, alright, let's make it more on topic: >UTY wasn't perfect with the member berries, but at a fundamental level they're better than the sort of shit Deltarune pullsNta, but during that demo last night, the average npcs dialogue was still its UTY dialogue I think, and a lot of it just felt right to the world. Not perfectly but I felt like its callbacks mostly take the form of trying to be like, jokes and references that would fit, and so it feels more natural, while being more enjoyable too.During flower man when it used lietmotifs from ut I felt nothing, but in uty whether you believe hopes and dreams was deserved in cerobas song, it felt like a loving addition from real sincere fans, and came at an impactful moment.
>>4062572I probably got it somewhere in my files, I'll have to check.
>>4062572I'm working anon, it'll still be 2 hours before I can send
>>4062589>that demo last nightthe what?>During flower man when it used lietmotifs from ut I felt nothingInterestingly enough, the Flowey leitmotif there was added by the guest composer, Toby's demo didn't have it.I've grown to enjoy Flower Man even if I still think it's the second weakest chapter boss song so far. The main issue is the weak instrumentation for me, it should have been something like Finale or Hopes and Dreams instead, or just an Anamanaguchi type song in general.On another note, I must admit I got shills when I realized Petal Dance referenced Once Upon a Time in a bit of the song.>hopes and dreams was deserved in cerobas songSome people disagree but I don't. The pacifist final boss being more popular than the genocide one is a surprise, but it definitely deserves the spot.
>>4062597NTA, but this was posted yesterday, its meant to be a post-pacifist epilogue for UTY, so far it contains a date with Martlet >>4061646
>>4062600Nta, but do you mean like, a *date* date with Martlet? As Clover or something?
>>4062597>the what? Someone posted a demo last night for picking up after the pacifist ending with clover still alive>>4061646It's not important that it came from the demo but that was kind of me tracing my thoughts from experiencing it last night >Interestingly enough, the Flowey leitmotif there was added by the guest composer, Toby's demo didn't have it. Thats unexpected honestly>I've grown to enjoy Flower Man even if I still think it's the second weakest chapter boss song so farIt comes in explosively strong and just falls off and feels like it relies on lietmotifs to carry it rather than being a strong song that incorporates lietmotifs. For instance a mothers love is a great tune thats timed very well to cerobas scream, and also has hopes and dreams in it.>Some people disagree but I don't. The pacifist final boss being more popular than the genocide one is a surprise, but it definitely deserves the spot.Honestly retribution is a fantastic song too though, and it has several lietmotifs worked in I believe, like "enemy retreating". It feels like a lot of thought was put into both endings musically.
>>4062601Nta but yes and no. It uses the word date, pulls up the date interface, martlet gets super confused about this and just says "lets just end this and go on a tour".Its even less "risky" than papyrus's date.
>>4062604Ah, I see.Am I wrong to be just a bit dissappointed?
>>4062613Well, I can relate to your strong desire to date Martlet Anon.
>>4062613>Am I wrong to be just a bit dissappointed?Martlet actually dating Clover would be weird, but I can't judge for wanting a date with Martlet
>>4062615Oh, no, you've got the wrong guy for that, I just thought it may have been the first demo to do something as bold as Clovelet like that. That would have been quite unique, if nothing else.
>>4062622Eh, I've seen some nice aged up clovelet fics, but generally I see clover as "kid I want to protect and also I want to marry Martlet and help clover" etc etc.Im not really shocked seeing someone want /ss/ since ive been around the block a time or two, but well, see above.
>>4062627I don't actually want /ss/, I just thought it'd be surprising to see in a mod like that, but that's not what it is.
>>4062595Look, if you can't post it just say you can't post it.I'm just looking for Sig's RtF drawing if any anon has it, and it shouldn't be that hard to post if they do.
>>4062704dude chill, he's probably still driving home from work.
>>4062705That anon betrayed our trust, he couldn't keep his promise, we must tear him limb by limb
>>4062704Anon stop being weird about this. Rushing someone over a courtesy they are providing makes them less likely to follow through.
>>4062531>>4062704here anon, I hope this is the one you were talking about
UT Broken Oaths (Formerly Mast of Bravery) update (Orange and Yellow souls)https://gamejolt.com/p/huge-announcement-and-why-this-took-so-long-zcnsypwa
>>4062711Alright, thanksThough actually, I used this image to search through the archives, and apparently it was posted nearly 2 months ago. So almost definitely abandoned by now
>>4062712>new version of the projectwords like that always bode well.
>>4062712Is this a reboot of an existing project? Are we seeing a repeat of Undertale Purple/Reflection/Futility?
>>4062716Seems like it
I'm not happy with the Deltarune thread spam in this board, and I say this as someone who uses them.The fangame threads can be a little rough but we always had the politeness of a single thread at once.If only mr morris wasn't such a fag.
>>4062771I find that spam to be unpleasant, and strangely, one of the people doing it seems to want to act as if it's the "utyfags" alone that dislike it. I'm not sure what causes that level of obsessive mental illness.
been thinking of that "dash the avalanche" thing from a ways back, and I kind of want to write something autistic as hell involving clover meeting my "wild west sheriff" tabletop character. Lawbringer that lost his childhood seeing a kid that wants to give up his very soul.
>>4062551Its stupid, but it really is just nostalgia bait. Toby even said so in the newsletter.>>4062563There's still the possibility of people nostalgia baiting for Undertale or Deltarune in their fangames.>>4062567Don't insult chapter 2 like that.
>>4062555>Susie talking about how Tenna's shit will get old.The irony of her saying that 2 chapters before 5 is rich.>The spin cake dialogue after the patch.I missed that one, what did it say?>Noelle talking about Catti's movie tastes.What was bad about that?>A certain archangel I shall not name.Huh?>Please don't use the Mr. Enter catchphrase.I don't know who that is.>. The difference for me is that 3+4 felt like "taking your toys and crushing them" while 5 felt more like "giving you your toys and being smug about it" which I see as an improvement.To each their own, to me the latter is worse.>but it did have a few actually good new things in it for me.I liked Netskie. That's about it.
>>4062579Seam said that the next one was the last one back in chapter 4.
>>4062788>Don't insult chapter 2 like that.I was insulting chapter 2 even before the new ones, though I do regret it a bit now.>>4062791>The irony of her saying that 2 chapters before 5 is rich.Her entire character arc is a nonsensical rollercoaster. "Susie is obsessed with the dark" came almost out of nowhere in 5.>I missed that one, what did it say?* Lightners only want one thing and it's disgusting. I mean delicious.>What was bad about that?Indirectly calling a huge portion of your fanbase annoying.
>>4062597>I've grown to enjoy Flower ManI've come to dislike it more the more I listen to it.
>>4062602>and feels like it relies on lietmotifs to carry it rather than being a strong song that incorporates lietmotifs.This is the problem most fan songs have. Further adds to the whole thing feeling like a fangame than an official one.
>>4062771I'm pretty sure the spam is someone trying to get Deltarune kicked off the board. If I were more conspiratorially minded, I'd accuse the mod of trying to drum a cassus belli to act on.
>>4062796>I was insulting chapter 2 even before the new ones, though I do regret it a bit now.If you have problems with chapter 2, then fair enough, but chapter 5 is a very different thing and is much worse.>Her entire character arc is a nonsensical rollercoaster. "Susie is obsessed with the dark" came almost out of nowhere in 5.It took me a while to organize my thoughts on this, but I think I've got it. It feels like the writing in a Disney plus show. You know that accursed service has mostly garbage, but every once in a while it makes something good, then immediately everyone there jumps on it and ruins it, derailing the plot in the process. It felt like the kind of schizophrenic writing non sequitur that you'd see in one of those, like the Mandalorian s3 compared to the first two seasons. Even that montage at the end is something straight out of a modern Disney owned property.>Indirectly calling a huge portion of your fanbase annoying.What was the line? I don't remember that one either.
>>4062785>and I kind of want to write something autistic as hell involving clover meeting my "wild west sheriff" tabletop character.What's stopping you from writting that?
>>4062821well, when you put it like that.Guess I'll think about how something like that could go while still making it fun to do.
>>4062812>What was the line? I don't remember that one either.https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/?chap=4#en:4:obj_homealone_basement_convo_slash_Create_0_gml_48_0
>>4062832Eh, I think its a reach. Anyways, the Board James reference redeems it.
>>4061307Late but it's called "Underswap," anon, and the premise is that the characters swap places with each other. Usually Sans and Papyrus swap places, so with that logic Sans should be the Snowdin boss and die early in a geno route while Papyrus is the final boss of genocide. You could also change things up further to be less 1:1 with Undertale, but making Sans the final boss even though he's supposed to play a different role fails the concept as much as making Asgore and Flowey the final boss of the neutral route would be; if they serve different roles, they shouldn't be in the same role.
i've lost count of how many times i've bullied this floradinn just to check specifics of the battle system.
>>4063081what are you trying to figure out?
>>4063082really just checking stuff to copy specifics of things as i get to making them for DRY2.this time it was when character icons on the hp/button bar should be set back to normal over the action icon.
>>4063081he's your personal fargoth. He'll remember this, he'll break free one day
swishes my big fluffy FUCKING tail
>>4063085>FUCKING tailTails can't be used for that
>>4063071What if it turns out, after its all said and done, that Undertale was actually just Toby's swap AU of Deltarune?
>>4063088 Cole would disagree.
>>4063091rug burns aren't fun
I am still very far away from home, and will be for a while, but I had an idea for a Ceroba/Anon paw fetish story that I quickly wrote down like a horror game note before I left. I'll have to get to that soon.
>>4063097it's like finding notes on someone in a horror game where they some how described as they were getting killed, except in this one it's getting roba'd
>>4063085Netskie Kanako boasting that her fluffy $$$$ing tail is longer then Kanako's! Kon kon~ *switshes*
>>4061260its actually a tie, neither one wins
>>4063100>cue kanako cutting the light world netskie objects' equivalents of a tail
>>4063097Slenderman, except the notes you collect represent different fetishes each
>>4063091>>4063092>10 years after cole and kanako got married>cole simply has a broken expression>C: "well, kanako wanted to try something new last night.">S: "oh?">C: "yeah she uh... really has strange ideas...">...>C: "i dont know what i was thinking, i knew it was a bad idea. but it involved her tail so i just couldnt say no">S: "aw cole, its ok. everyone makes mistakes in the heat of the moment.">S: "if you dont mind, what did she do to you?">S: "and why arent you sitting dow- o-oh my."
>>4063101Technically Sans wins since he managed to stall you, which gave the monsters more time to evacuate, meanwhile you don't get a single EXP and most likely used all your healing items during the fight
>>4063106oh god jesus no.
>>4063099Instead of this note being scrawled in blood, it's written in cum that was viciously milked out by her soft, skilled paws.Man, shame I'm not alone right now.
>>4063092It wouldn't give you rug burns.
>>4063109truly her predatory instincts have been unleashed.
>>4063114Why not? Repeated contanct of fur on skin leads to friction
>>4063106>S: "and why arent you sitting dow- o-oh my."I don't get this part, what does sitting down got to do with it.
>>4063107>and most likely used all your healing items during the fighti can always get better items later on, if anything, having a reason to use up my shitty items is good because i can fill my inventory with the game's equivalent of legendary heroes and mettaton steak later on
>>4063117just think about why a man might refuse to sit down after a night where his wife had an "interesting" idea anon.
>>4063115The idea of her also being weird and freaky about her paws is very hot, yes.God I wanna huff her boots so bad.
>>4063116Not enough to cause rug burn. Besides, if he's uncircumcised it could have more friction than a rug and still not cause rug burn.
>>4063119Oh, I misread "aren't" as "are"
>>4063088The things I've seen would beg to differ.
>>4063119Did she peg him with her tail???My hero Cole would never
>try looking for UTY covers/remixes>suggested feed off of any track: ALL skeleton slopgod i hate that bony bastard.
>>4063130https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BJrVsF6k-sthis one is pretty neat, but yeah the algorithm refuses to give me the songs I want most of the time.
It seems as though the threads have been winding down in activity lately.Except this time there's no /v/ threads to back them up (at least non-stealth threads).What's gonna happen to this fandom?
>>4063167by winding down you mean "go back to pre-2026 speeds"?these threads getting a bajillion posts a week is something that only started this year.
>>4063167Wasn't this exact question asked yesterday as well?
>>4063169I don't know what caused it in the first place, or why it stopped. But I'll try waiting for the next weekend thread to see if anything changes.>>4063173Kinda, but I'm pointing out that the /v/ threads aren't active either (moreso due to the janny) and again, I'm wondering if there's just that little to discuss
>>4063174I dunno, I just draw and write and sometimes join conversations
>>4063167>>4063174will you knock it off. if anything this is a return to pre-2026 threads
Guys there is something wrong with my Kanako
>>4063130Odd, I never get skeletonslop. Here's an Afterlife remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7bvfs6eWk
>>4063229This artist has va talent for making all monsters bald
>>4063227My fellow fangamers, we should all start doomposting and pressuring the devs into releasing updates, its the only logical conclusion, otherwise these threads won't survive the release of chapter 6
Partners chapter 17: https://rentry.co/zx92vur3Long overdue, and I can't help but feel like this one is slightly "lame" because I didn't reach Axis like I planned to, but what can you do. It took me a while to make myself sit down and edit, so I hope everything is up to standard.Also, I was thinking... should I post updates with an image, so that it's easier for people to see new chapters? I figured I could use the fanart that Sig made for the story.Minor Chapter Spoiler:Also, to the one anon that I discussed Starlo vs. North Star with some time ago: I thought more about the topic and how it relates to the themes of the story as I see them, and ended up changing my mind on the value of North Star as a persona. Not sure why I'm pointing this out. Maybe I just don't want to seem like I was being deceptive or something, I dunno.
>>4063227Will you shut the fuck up? Not every drop in activity is a "return to pre-2026", the threads have been like this for longer than they haven't by now, they aren't just gonna snap into being something else just because you keep bitching about it.Things change, get over it.
>>4063167Strangely aggressive, Yet transparent doomposting
>>4063319Oh fuck, what a thing to wake up to. As far as posting with an image, yeah probably. Its a major fic update, and weve been much better about image usage lately
>>4063319Posting an image with your fic is fair, its new fancontent after all.
What monster would Integrity be?
>>4063365sig made her a giant moth monster, which is funny since blue is associated with butterflies
>>4063366Hmm, but wasn't she corrupting Kanako and without an actual physical body? I didn't read the story myself, just saw the art of it
>>4063374it is due to the fragment of the integrity soul that chujin used for the serum (actual UTY canon event), it comes back later on in the storythis is also why a lot of artists draw kanako with blue streaks
>>4063375Yeah, I know. So in RtF there's both the Moth 'tegrity and Soul Aids 'tegrity?
>>4063380kinda, just read the story and it will be explained
>>4063365Flower monster like the flower girls
>>4063387make her like that one fan take before chapter 5 then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Y3l8HinY0>15:26 - Deltarune Yellow by Toastemperor>he doesn't know
New Ribbit updatehttps://gamejolt.com/p/ribbit-3-0-catharsis-mode-preview-dtzjjndc
>>4063399Well, toasteremperor is the name on the gamejolt page. Most people don't bother to look further.
>>4063320I wasn't saying it as a bad thing, anonymous.
Mel
>>4063413>Have to dedicate a whole video to prime people for a gameplay changelooking bleak
>>4063319Good to see you again Anon. I wont have time to read this until tomorrow due to personal obligations, but I'm looking forward to it.>Also, I was thinking... should I post updates with an image, so that it's easier for people to see new chapters? I figured I could use the fanart that Sig made for the story.Absolutely, that's a good idea.>spoileryou're good anon, I enjoy our occasional conversations. You can plan and discuss things all you want, but we never really know for sure how we're going to write something until it's on the page right? Sometimes those discussions don't seem like they result in anything, but I think it's all a part of ending up at your final conclusion in some way or another.
Have another music remix: https://youtu.be/HVhFy1nu_fo
>>4063431may or may not be at risk of snorting Shadow Crystals
you know, kind of a shift from the doomposting, but still commenting the way things have been on this site lately. I went to look up an archived flash for some nostalgia since I spent like, 15 years nearly every day with /f/ as my landing page since it had the strongest "dna" of what made 4chan, 4chan. The site was down this morning, and since it wasn't even pulling up a proper error or anything, I thought for a moment that this piece of the "cultures history' was just gone without fanfare or any kind of ripple made to cause the news to get back to me. it's autistic as hell but it made me tear up a little. It made me think about this place here, how what you anons are doing is one of the purest expressions of what was good about old 4chan. from the humblest idea post to the greatest and grandest projects, thank you all for making this place what it is, despite how the site wants to make discussing the vidya harder than it should be.I tried to find that old "/v/idya love" image but I can't find it anywhere, and search engines are designed to fail to give information apparently. This only made me feel more strongly about this, and how terrible it is that these traces of fandom history are being erased across the web. Sorry for the autism but you're all the greatest.Also the flash in question was https://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=1612&n=VIRGIN+SEA+LOL.swfI remember being in my 20s getting drunk and clicking on random stuff on /f/ and just being in wonder at what I might see next. I don't know if this particular one originated on /f/ or some other site but maybe it goes to show that someones efforts, even if it doesn't feel like it's all that important at the time, can mean a lot to someone all these years later.
>>4063514thanks for sharing anon. It's frustrating knowing that I've actively searched for uty remixes in the past and there's several things that the searches just refuse to show me.
>>4063527I hope the 4chan archives never stop working, it would suck to lose everything that has happened in these threads, even if sometimes we get in autistic beam clashes there's a lot of history here and you can see through the posts how things like the fangames began to take shape
>>4063562>there's a lot of history here and you can see through the posts how things like the fangames began to take shapeit was honestly somewhat inspiring watching things slowly come into being starting with the first thread of "everyone is just kind of playing this new game and seeing what it's all about" to "this guy's doing art, this guy's making fics, and this guy wants to make a whole ass game!"
>>4063565It's a shame I missed those times by quite a large margin, but at least I'm hoping I can contribute meaningfully to these threads so anons can find enjoyment in more things.
Found this while browsing YouTube so now you have to see it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXuUsA4uNhU
>>4063578if you're trying even a little to contribute, then you're part of not only what makes these threads great, but what made this site as a whole great.
>>4063584I told you guys Deltatraveler is beloved outside of here, the people who dislike its writing are an extreme minority, which is pretty dire all things considered
>>4063584>incredible toby fox level writinghonestly amazing that someone could say that about delta traveler.
>>4063588I try, anon. Thanks for that tho.
>>4063589Comments are overwhelmingly disagreeing with the video.
>>4063600makes me wonder if there's a problem then with the vocal people having either shit taste, or suffering from toxic positivity. Or both I don't know. I feel like some people that would praise delta traveler would shit on another work.
>>4063600For that video, the reception is usually positive in others
>>4063584how did Sans not croak on the spot after getting stabbed in the neck?
Is it ethical to write smut if you're a virgin?
>>4063620I don't know, is it ethical to write about murder if you've never killed before?
>>4063620yeah, just keep yourself open to feedback, learn from other writing what people like about written smut, and most importantly, have fun.
>>4063620By what standard of ethics would it be unethical?
I hope the little birdy who is handling that "undertale yellow reloaded" thing realizes that he needs to upload the demo to his page instead of just telling us that it's been updated.
>>4063628>By what standard of ethicsif a skeleton killed him how cathartic would it be
>>4063637nice, I will play through the update when I have time.
Are we content with just bunkering down and posting here the whole weekend, or will there be a new thread?
>>4063664never hurts to at least try a thread.
>>4063664didn't an anon say something about trying a new thread with the "Undertale Yellow Reloaded" stuff?
>>4063668make it stealthy, the jandroid just autosaged a DR thread.
>>4063668Sorry I let time get away from me. I cant partake much myself, but Clover is always ready for some on topic discussion
>>4063669They are still seething two months later? They weren't this focused on killing threads during the release of chapter 3+4
>>4063672Dude, like I don't know what to tell you but they've closed off basically most of /v/ with their antics for years straight, they don't even have the option of getting bored and doing something else, or getting someone else to talk about something else with.All they have is seething about Deltarune (and associated things, like fangames) because for one reason or another the people that like that haven't left yet.
>>4063167They haven't, but they probably could do to slow down a bit. Its really hard to keep up this pace.
>>4063366Do you have any pictures of Mothtegrity?
>>4063698he never drew it, all we have is the text description on the ficmaybe ask him to draw it next time he shows up
>>4063698NTA but I don't think Sig has drawn that yet. I could be wrong and could have completely missed it somehow before.
>>4063698nta but I'm not actually sure if he's drawn her yet, that's how she's described though (as well as being mostly legs)
>>4063413Why?
>>4063620I don't see why not. Virgins are the main consumers of smut. Besides, its not like they'd be able to fact check you.
>>4063706Harsh but true.
>>4063706You're not a virgin if you've seen a vagina on the internet.
>>4063712I don't think that's how that works.
>>4056718Draw faster. You draw to slow.
>>4063725the person behind this post:
>>4063725To be the faster drawer you gotta like the Him
>>4063699Which chapter was that?
>>4063789chapter 28, though the description still isn't enough at least for me to fully visualize her
reposting now that the /v/ thread hit bump limit>getting the battle system put together has been more effort than expected, so im not as far as i'd like>menuing is done, the menuing for each button/menu works as expected.>but the actions dont do anything yet. (technically defends do, but since there's no enemy attacks...>the turn loop is done, just need to populate the stepsnext week will be the "you can now thrash the cube (or spare it)" update with a webmim also reposting the request for a sadie spritesheet, would like to have her in the demo's battle stuff.https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/search/image/udvyxomtfRJdwng6oyA9PA/
Was looking through Wildfire's code and... Seriously, WTF?EVERY interaction and line of dialogue in battle happens in a single script. Not only that, but the (decompiled) code sometimes feels like a mess to read through when every new action seems to run an "ev" script.The scripts also heavily rely on structs. Now, I'm not exactly an expert on structs or constructors when I'm more used to reading "old school" GameMaker, but the way that (decompiled) overworld cutscenes work is sort of odd, having to redefine the portrait, sound effect, and speaker for each line of dialogue.I sincerely hope that the source code isn't nearly as convoluted, and if it is, then it raises another concern of the direction the programming is going in.I'll try looking through the game's object code to see if it's any different.
To the guy who wanted me to draw that thing, to the point of directly asking for it twice:Maybe later.Once I'm out of D*troit.And can masturbate again.
Kind of messy thread in places, but it was overall a good one I think. I meant to post more images.>>4063936Nice, youve been really motivated lately >>4063962I'm nta, but it does sound like a nice idea. Good luck escaping detroit>>4063961On the combat demo?
>>4063962I'm not asking
>>4063961Okay, so I'm looking through different objects and I see this "fsm" variable mentioned often, apparently it's linked to this library named "SnowState" where you can declare everything in a create event for an object. Not sure on why this is necessary, but maybe it looks better in GMS than through decompiled code.Otherwise the non-SnowState objects are mostly fine code wise, with a few questionable decisions, but it really raises the question of what exactly is going on with the script code and why it's necessary to code them that way.>>4063964Yes, it's decompiled code but it gives somewhat of an idea on how the source code functions.
>>4063964>Good luck escaping detroitTrying. Later.>>4063971Well, you're gonna have to be patient.Seriously, I have not beaten off in days, that comes first. When I get home, anyway.
>>4063974Its fine. I just felt I was obligated to request the drawing the Detroit way, since you were in the neighborhood.
>>4063976Oh christ, don't tell me I'm actually in the physical vicinity of someone here.
>>4063977Heavens no. You're in the neighborhood, not me. I wouldn't go within a hundred miles of Detroit.Besides, if I were a resident of Detroit, I would've asked in person. Likely in much the same way as in the image.
>>4063981>Heavens no. You're in the neighborhood, not me. I wouldn't go within a hundred miles of Detroit.Oh, well "you're in the neighborhood" sounded like I'd entered your territory or something.Anyway, I wouldn't have ever come here if it wasn't for these concerts, so eh.>Besides, if I were a resident of Detroit, I would've asked in person. Likely in much the same way as in the image.I'm not sure I'd be in much of a drawing mood, being held at gunpoint like that.
>>4063986>I'm not sure I'd be in much of a drawing mood, being held at gunpoint like that.I would assume you also wouldn't be in a getting shot mood. Or at least, your average Detroit resident would.
>>4063994>I would assume you also wouldn't be in a getting shot mood.You have a very generous mental image of me, it would seem.>Or at least, your average Detroit resident would.Well, I am no resident, merely a guest.
>>4063996>Well, I am no resident, merely a guest.I meant that the average Detroit resident would assume you didn't want to get shot.
>>4064008And that is perhaps a generous statement regarding the average resident of Detroit.
>>4064013Think about it, they live in Detroit and have a gun, but only choose to use it on others. They must have incredibly strong will to live. And natural biases would mean that they would automatically assume everyone does
>>4064017Maybe, but I'm not sure why they'd want me draw that thing in particular though.
>>4064020What did they even want you to draw? I haven't yet gone through the entire thread.
>>4063725Telling the drawanon to draw faster, isn't going to make him draw faster. Art takes time.
So how strong is LV20 Clover? Is she as strong as LV20 Frisk or weaker?
>>4064031Frisk is far, far, far stronger. She would kick his ass at LV 10 is not lower.
>>4064026Another one of those MSPaint doodles, of Ceroba this time.I'll see about it later, I'm leaving this city soon.Thinking about drawing Racter before I go though.
>>4064031It's hard to answer this question, because LV20 Frisk, isn't really Frisk, it's Chara, and in many ways the Player, a higher entity, whereas in Clover's case it's made very clear his actions are all him.Also at LV20 I would assume Clover would be able to do similar stuff to Frisk at LV20 but simply just decides not to. We don't really know what LV20 Clover is fully capable of, since he was only interested in leaving the Underground with the fallen human souls, and not killing everyone.
>>4064034Take care out there anon. Those doodles are cute too.
Well, I said I'd try and draw Racter before I left the city.So, here's a Racter drawn in Detroit.Yeah, I think I prefer having a full setup for drawing.I do have an idea for a more "fleshed out" doodle of him later though, based on a somewhat funny experience I had here.
>>4064071Racter experienced what it means to become human amd he immediately started to melt. Have a safe trip home.
