Team Avellone here, Josh Sawyer is a faggot who inserts his gay shit into everything he touches to the point where he ruined an otherwise great title in Pentiment
>>4076973my tastes include both snails and oysters
>>4076973Was there beef between Avellone and Sawyer?
>>4076973Go back, we don't need this pretentious writer worship here.
>>4076973Avellone by a wide margin, though I think his talent has been overstated considering what he has done since the golden days.
>>4076990Are you supposed to crunch up the shells and stuff?
Sawyer is a faggot
>”balanceman”>chill fog, a level 2 spell trivializes the gameSawyer is a moron.
Sawyer is ultimately a game designer, we see what happens when he gets a hold of writing. Avellone is purely a writer and nothing else, I don't think he has ever actually designed a game.
>>4077203>he doesn't know how to use the two shells
>>4076973In terms of Fallout, Avellone is good at generating new and interesting ideas for the lore. He seemingly needs other writers to improve and refine them to actually make them good in the game though. But overall I'd side with Avellone. He just has a much more impressive track record.
>>4078295yeah this is the most important thing, they need to do this as a team.
>>4077718Avellone was lead designer on Planescape Torment (while also writing over 75% of all the dialogue in the game), KOTOR II (lead writer too) and Alpha Protocol (also lead writer). He held senior designer or designer roles on: Fallout 2, Fallout New Vegas, Icewind Dale 1 & 2, Neverwinter Nights 2 & MoTB, Prey.He was project director and lead designer for: Dead Money, Old World Blues, and Lonesome Road.
>>4077043No, it's a meme stolen from rpgcodex by retards who came on here and were assmad about people cheering on Avellone's lawsuit of the women who slandered him, 'cause believe all women or some shit, so they propped up Sawyer as a counter-point to him.Of course what the retards didn't realize is that the meme was ironic in nature and came about to mock Sawyer as le "balance man", which they thought meant a balanced viewpoint, but came about because he kept ruining fun gameplay in Pillars of Eternity by nerfing fun classes to balance it like it was an mmo.
>>4076973Sawyer said that he loved the Fallout tv show so for that alone I go with Avellone.
always side with MCA
>>4078698Sawyer is a standard issue closeted corporate Californian, he will never be honest if he could benefit from brownnosing instead.Avellone is likena Frazetta tier character, he speaks his mind and corpocucks hate him for it. He even managed to defeat a #metoo attempt and got the woman to admit she lied in court, but the corpocucks wasted no time in destroying his career at Obsidian as a part owner.Avellone is now antraveling master who every ROG dev team brings in for a lookover and writing advice, he had a hand in a lot of stuff including Disco Elysium. My hope is that Avellone eventually starts his own small cRPG dev studio.
>>4078729>My hope is that Avellone eventually starts his own small cRPG dev studio.he won't. he's already rich enough to retire, he just freelances for fun and has implied he's waiting to just get called in by friends to work on stuff (as long as it's not obsidian with orcheart)
>>4076973I like Sawyer's games way more on the design side. On the writing side, there isn't really much of a contest, since Sawyer barely does writing work, despite what this board seems to think, though I also think Avellone is often overwrought and overly purple here.>>4077658That was never what he meant by this. The goal was more so to avoid the typical problem of an "optimal" attribute distribution for any given class, by making "all" attributes in some way useful to each class, so that you can choose to develop the classes in more than one way. Overpowered things being in the game was always fine, and removing it was not a goal unto itself.
>>4078735wasn't pentiment his big creative dream?
>>4078736Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wrote most of it. Like his job as narrative designer is more-so to create a setting, broad strokes narrative elements and in RPG/RPG-adjacent games, choice and consequence, it doesn't mean producing the actual text.
>>4076973You should realize that FNV is a fluke anyway, and event then, it does not escape silliness of overall Fallout setting.
>>4076973Avellone just feels more trustworthy
>>4076973No teamBut Josh is clearly better and more professional at his job than Chris is at his
>>4078735>Overpowered things being in the game was always fine, and removing it was not a goal unto itself.It wasn't just the attribute system going out of its way to be universal for classes. Specific abilities were tweaked a bunch
>>4078807The silliness in FNV comes from one of Sawyer ideas (The Caesar's Legion faction)
>>4081270The Legion was originally Avellone's idea though. While Sawyer and Gonzalez altered them from their concept in Van Buren for New Vegas.
>>4076973The guy Avellone actually hates, and would say yes I hate him if you asked in person, is Feargus Urquhart
>>4077043Newfags from RPGCodex keep an e-celeb worship General going at all times about Avellone or Sawyer, sometimes Cain.
>>4082217Do they play anything other than Fallout?
>>4076973Aveline was cancelled for raping a child or something while sawyer is gay and cool
>>4083879For me it's Aveline
>>4082917planescape: torment, arcanum, morrowind, and of course Age of Decadence
>>4083944So basically Fallout, Fallout, Everquest, and Fallout.
>>4082917They don’t play games. They just sit around on the internet bitching and being miserable, just like us.
>>4084091>They don’t play games.I'm fairly sure they play AAA slop as soon as it comes out so they can make threads about how shit the new game is in comparison to the codex approved old gem (they didn't actually play the old gem).So yes, exactly like in here.
>>4083879>Aveline was cancelled for raping a child>or somethingHell of a "or something" when you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He won a libel lawsuit against his accusers and those bitches were forced to pay him a seven figure sum, plus admit publicly that he didn't do shit.
>>4082217>Newfags from RPGCodexThis is like a "15 year old who feels mature for his old age" calling 40 year olds "kids".
>>4076973Agree on Josh. Team Avellone forever.
>>4084663You can return to RPGCodex at any time, newfag.
>>4081270I don't find Legion that silly, beyond that fact that their inner system is nebulous and not portrayed well. But warlordism is nothing special.Silliness is people eating 200 year old food, wearing clothes that old and so on.
i didnt mind Legion but always though the Kings were super silly to the point they break my immersion.
>>4076973Avellone and it's not close. Probably the best game writer in the medium's history, a capable project lead, clearly snarky, cynical and never an asskisser so his corporate status never reflected his abilities and he was often mistreated for not playing that game, but he is good hearted, appreciates his fans and is always willing to do youtube talks with young creators and lend his name to indie projects. He isn't political but he isn't afraid of calling out the leftist aggression and wokescolding in gaming either. He is a protagonist of the developer industry and we're never going to have enough of his works for posterity.
>>4076990based and goldpilled
>>4085912Kind of true, I mean, I could see thugs trying to emulate a certain look, but not greaser type shit that needs industrial made hair gel that would probably went bad after 2 centuries. Also, Fallout setting in general can't make up their mind on if people turn into tribals or it's just drug raider bandit gangs. I think it makes sense that there are bandits, but types like Fiends are kind of over the top, while Zion tribals, I am not sure, maybe it makes sense for them to abandon pre war tech, but I think there would likely be a bigger focus for post war people to at least retain agriculture (or restore it) asap, because all the shit that needs electricity and refined carbohydrates to manufacture would need to be replaced eventually with plant and animal matter. Pre war clothes with synthetic fibers would go bad after some decades of wear and exposure to elements, for example. They would need to focus on getting some sort of wool, or cotton, linen, leathers, that sort of thing.
>>4077043There wasn't. An ex-Obsidian employee posted on RPG Codex the actual reason Avellone was fired - his alcoholism went completely off the rails and he would constantly not show up at work, show up drunk, or show up late, and then bitch and moan that his content wouldn't get enough attention.
>>4085922>a capable project leadHe was the Project Lead for one game, anon. Sawyer directed several, including coming in late and saving NWN2 from being cancelled outright.
>>4085912The original Fallout has a guy pretending to be Robin Hood because he managed to get a hold of some old movies.>>4086844People can make their own pomade with no problem.
>>4087216man they completely hid the stairs to Loxley in FO1. I'm convinced they knew it sucked but someone wrote it and they spent the money on the head and no one had the heart to cut it. Now people playing it hold down the tab targeting reveal everything key and find it instantly
>>4076973Sawyer's a faggot, but he can write very well. Basically everything good in NV is thanks to him, or John Gonzalez.
>>4086943Well, his math was that he was indispensible and Obsidian could not make a good game without him was correct, the leadership just never did that math. Obsidian games ranked are a direct correlation with how much involvement he had in them. They were janky zero playtest AA games that we played for the witty philosophical writing and they axed the writer
>>4086945>saving NWN2 from being cancelled outright.Aren't you supposed to defend Sawyer?
>>4076973Avellone was waaaaay hotter.
>>4088774He's not the only or the best writer on Earth, anon. The actual math was that Obsidian didn't want to pay for talent, and a dysfunctional alcoholic loser was willing to take whatever paycheck he could get. That same loser was too dysfunctional to read the room and understand that he was expected to be professional while working at a job in exchange for the paycheck. The insane conceit is hard to frame in any other way. Obsidian was garbage in its own way: hiring only the rotten refuse of the bargain bin is a recipe for exactly the disasters which befell them. Everyone sucked there.The things you / we / anyone values about what they've made are in spite of their flaws, not because of them.And in particular, due to the extremely robust modding ecosystem surrounding those titles.
>>4076973Both are retarded faggots and deeper in their own asses than humanity has stopped into earth
being THIS parasocial about a fucking rpg developer is tragic. At least a streamer or vtuber will pretend to laugh at your chat messages; wtf are these guys gonna do for you?
>>4091817This is just debating authors or filmmakers, but you're just one of the brainrotten worthless people who does retarded things like watch streamers in the first place, and are projecting your broken reasoning onto others.
>>4087275It's not like what's above-ground in the Hub is good anyways. Junktown-Hub is so tonally inconsistent it may as well be a different game (not that the rest is much better).
