How long can you subsist solely on the same 20 year old grudges and arguments, still treating Fallout 3 like the end of the world, never moving on?
Have you considered moving on? Who gives a fuck or still thinks about them? They haven’t been relevant in decades
>>4078020After their hissy fit? Nah at this point they have to keep it up, pretend it was justified, to save face, until they die. It's been a part of them
All I care about is that Roshambo got what was coming to him. Demented fucking cunt.
>>4078020I love to see that their narrative of FO3 being dogshit and New Vegas being the greatest thing of all time is finally collapsing, as zoomers embrace Fallout 3.
>>4089926>as zoomers embrace Fallout 3.Every time someone on this board says "zoomers are doing X" it's always utter nonsense.
>>4078020How long can you subsist solely on the same 20 year old grudges and arguments, still treating NMA like the end of the world, never moving on?
>>4090016nta but I have the impression that zoomers barely play games or at least aren't very engaged with them like x/millenials are.
>>4090016Cool, dude.
>>4090690this. my experience is when zoomers say they love a game what they mean is they love reading the lore wiki and watching youtube "video essays" about it
>>4091168Where did you get your experience with zoomers?
>>4089926>narrative of FO3 being dogshit and New Vegas being the greatest thing of all time is finally collapsingFO3 and NV are essentially the same game, NV is just a partial conversion mod for FO3. It’s logically inconsistent to like one but not the other.>t. disliked both
>>4078020Ask the same of the Xenogears cult
>>4091168Not even just that, I think there are just less of them in general playing games that much, and when they do they don't get as engaged. Arguably it may be also that the games made these days are less worth engaging with though.
>>4091256> It’s logically inconsistent to like one but not the other.No it isn't, because they have completely different maps, quests, and characters, you fucking retard.
>>4090690>zoomers at least aren't very engaged with them like x/millenials are.Millennials are just dramafaggots who chimped out over Bethesda buying Fallout. It was never about the games.
I had completely forgotten about them, but why would they move on? The purpose for their existence is not moving on. You'd think someone would just stop participating in that community at that point as the path of least resistance >>4093560I was never a big Fallout fan so it never meant much to me. On one hand I didn't see why they didn't just make an original post apocalyptic IP, but these days I kind of doubt their ability to make a new one, so maybe that was the right call for them.
>>4093599Very obviously buying an established IP was the correct decision in every sense.
>>4093599There is no way something as sloppy as Oblivion with Guns would've sold anywhere near enough copies without the Fallout brand name on it. Especially considering they got it for peanuts.
>>4093331>No it isn't, because they have completely different maps, quests, and charactersCope.>you fucking retardSeethe.NV fanboys are possibly the most delusional group of secondaries I can think of.
>>4093862Not a NV fanboy but by this logic Fallout 1 and 2 are the same game and if you liked one you can't hate the other. Which I honestly kinda agree with but I've seen a lot of people claim otherwise
>>4093862>verifiably objective differences>copeRetard. Post discarded.
>>4094835>by this logic Fallout 1 and 2 are the same game and if you liked one you can't hate the otherCorrect. They are, essentially, the same game, in the same way that FO3 and NV are essentially the same game.It was common in the 90s to pop out a cash grab sequel after a game came out, using the same team and the same engine (which they were familiar with, having just finished a game using it), often recycling much of the same assets. FO2 is a prime example, it came out in what, less than a year of crunch time? Everyone that played FO1 back in the day and liked it almost certainly went on to play FO2, and almost certainly liked it at the time. It was the same gameplay formula and same style of game, just with more shit added to it and a higher power level. Yes, there were tonal differences (FO2 is often berated for too many pop culture references, which is fair, but FO1 had quite a few as well, it wasn’t a dead-serious apocalypse sim played straight like revisionists now pretend it was) and the pacing was significantly less tight than FO1 (due to how much bigger the game was), but at the core it’s just “Fallout, but more”NV is the same shit. It’s an upjumped mod for FO3, recycling half of that games assets. Obsidian are hacks who got their start making cash grab sequels for games created by others. Kotor2, NWN2, NV, etc. The core of the game is the same. It plays the same. It feels the same. Hence, it’s essentially the same game. Ask yourself “what game does NV play more alike to, FO3, or FO1?” The answer is blatantly FO3 and everyone knows it, there’s just a handful of pseuds in denial that they’re playing a heavily-modded FO3. They want to pretend they’re playing the “real” Fallout, not those plebians playing Bethesda games. Don’t ask them to go play Fallout 1, though, it’s just too clunky and dated.
>>4095474Fair enough then
>>4078020Fallout 3 WAS the end of the world. The end of the IP, in this case. Also easily the worst cRPG of the decade and one of the worst games in 2008. Do you retards really think you can pretend something didn't happen after a long time? No, you fucks, it happened, it sucks and you will be reminded of it until you die.
>>4093331That's all just set dressing. The underlying systems are the same.
>>4078020i have a few issues with NMA1) because of the fact it was established by some idiot nationalist yugoslav before the game was even released. The series has never been allowed to have a normal fan community. It was rigged from the start2) Its literally just a trolling community. They are responsible for years of nasty trolling directed towards anyone that works on the series3) all their opinions on the series are largely shit and wrong. They have also been responsible for trying to manipulate the direction and lore of the setting by passing off their complete bullshit headcanons they pulled out of their ass as factual canon for years. A whole lot of misconceptions stem from them.
>>4103522>nationalist yugoslavWat>before the game was even releasedWat>complete bullshit headcanons they pulled out of their ass as factual canonWat
>>4097940>The underlying systems are the same.Skills, perks, derived stats from SPECIAL, DR/DT, weapon mods, iron sights, VATS damage, different level scaling, deterministic skill checks, weapon strength requirements, ammo types, the companion interface, and hardcore mode's various effects are all gameplay system changes and new features in New Vegas. I'm probably forgetting quite a few. From armor to weapons to skills to level progression, just about every RPG system's mechanics were changed from Fallout 3.It was built off the previous engine, and some assets were reused. That's it.
>>4103667>It was built off the previous engine, and some assets were reused. That's it.You’re missing the forest for the trees. You are hung up on some superficial details that are ultimately trivial and meaningless. New Vegas plays just like FO3. It has the same gameplay loop. It feels the same. The mechanical differences are minor tweaks. It is, at its core, the same game. Its essence is the same.For a counter example of a mod that shares the same engine but does plays radically differently and doesn’t feel the same, compare NWN1 and Witcher 1.
>>4104622What's a gameplay loop
>>4104626>What's a gameplay loopYou know that casino when you’re taking I-5 south out of Vegas?
>>4104633What's a gameplay loop
>>4078020I like Norzan or whatever his name is. he almost always makes good posts that I agree with
Have you even read the forum recently, it's pratically dead and the people who do post there like Fallout 3.
>>4078020based forum stays based
>>4104649think about it for a few minutes and maybe your low IQ ass will figure it out.
>>4104622>New Vegas plays just like FO3It's definitely not. Repair is less restrictive, raw food can produce debuffs and it heals over time so you can't abuse it as much as in 3, the ammo type adds some consideration when entering combat, survival improves the effectiveness of food as well as allowing you to craft different utilities at campfires. And while Hardcore mode isn't that hard, it does adds a few considerations when it comes to Doctor Bags and ammo weight. Saying that they play the same is pure delusion by Bugthestards.
>>4112383so no, saying that "it's just the same" because it is the same engine has no weight. It'd be like saying that Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are the same because the later re-uses a bunch of assets from the former.
>>4104633>NV has the same gameplay loop because it has gamble, which isn't even present in Fallout 3
>>4103522>A whole lot of misconceptions stem from themI still haven't seen anyone actually prove them wrong. And almost every time they try, the only people who ends up being wrong are those defending Bethesda.
>>4078097They were justified. Bethesda did ruin fallout but anyways their hissy fit was basically not buying the slop
New Vegas hate is so strange. Its still the only first person rpg that is actually an rpg like I wish It wasn't the case but that is the reality. And its a more natural fallout 3 than fallout 3 will ever be which was just a cash grab dumbfication of a classic that didn't add anything to the universe instead just reusing fallout 1 enemies with the fallout 2 storyline barely changing
>>4113082>their hissy fit was basically not buying the slop>they good boy they dindu nuffinBethesda had to hire security guards
>>4112390Depends on the point in question, but they did seem to start the "fallout is morally grey" meme which just isn't true in the classic fallouts. It is crystal clear who the bad guys and good guys are. The games let you be a heartless prick which is fun, but the situations are not complicated. Junktown for example, or the regulators vs the blades. The Master is an interesting villain but an obviously evil one, and the Enclave even moreso. Also the notion of "post post-apocalypse" is true for New Vegas and no other game in the series.
>>4078020>Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the seriesI don't know man.
>>4112390its got nothing to do with bethesda. A bunch of misconceptions can be attributed to NMA.For example the transistor myth, the belief there are no transistors in Fallout comes from an NMA post from iirc a former mods headcanon. There used to be an entire wiki page debunking this but it got deleted.Theres similar wiki shenanigans, one of the people running the gamepedia wiki was a NMA mod. They attempted to pass off their headcanon as Van Buren lore. Their citation was "a Fallout dev told me it in a private phone call" in an NMA post. Levels of it came to me in a dream tier shit posting.More recently in the tv show there was an explanation of the origin of the Vault boy thumbs up. This explanation originates from NMA from a conversation that might have happened.
>>4093560it wasnt "millenials"it was gen Xers you retard
>>4114949It was millennials
>>4114956i was a kid when Fallout came out and i was excited for Fo3 i personally got trolled by gen X schizos on forums back then because i said Fo3 looked cool lol.These were married guys with kids so they had to be gen X
>>4114970Yep you got bullied by millennials, tough life
>>4113082Interplay did that themselves
>>4089926>the sky is blue>zoomers believe something retarded>grass is green
I've never visited this site, but Fallout 2 always struck me as an odd choice of game to be such a weirdo over.Don't get me wrong, I loved Fallout 2 when I was a kid, because it is a very edgy game filled with sex and violence. But it is also a half-finished game where every other character is a Family Guy tier pop culture reference and the gameplay consists of a clusterfuck of your teammates shooting each other and you in the back (unless you go solo, which then highlights how boring solo turn based rpgs are).
>>4089926But anon, Fallout 3 IS shit! Save for the jazz music (not the happy go lucky 50’s schlock) and the architecture present in game. Those are both great.
these guys are still alive? I thought they all died from old age
>>4089926Bro how did you guys lose like 10 years Zoomers are like 28, do you mean gen alpha?
>>4078020You can't but the new games are still bethesdaslop and that is always a mistake. A costly one if you are tempted to drop months of your life into itShould have made it a separate game series.
>>4113088this. Fallout 3 is a reboot, not a sequel. It took most people a really long time to understand/accept that. "why Supermutants on East Coast?" is a valid question, but the unfortunate answer is "Bethesda owns the IP and they'll be damned if they don't use all the stuff they now own"I have softened up on 3 since the early days, but it has drastic ups and downs in tone and narrative and balance>>4091256>>4097940No. yes they have similar bones, but New Vegas has a lot of things in conjunction that casts a very wide net of appeal. Let me list some aspects that would make-or-break the game for various gamers>better aiming down sights means more FPS players>leveled world instead of level scaling rewards "Morrowind loot" enjoyers; static set treasures that reward exploration and changes playthroughs much moreso than "frost axe +2%" generated slop loot>ammo type variety is a huge deal to gun nuts and prepper culture people. NV scratches that itch like no other.>more diversified roleplays and builds for RPG gamers>better plot and characters for story enjoyersthere. a bunch of reasons why various people, myself included, love replaying NV but struggle to enjoy FO3. Believe me, I want to. I wish it had the sauce NV does. With a lot of mods its ok it has its momentsoh and one more>much better integrated into old lore so it is far more welcoming to fans of Fallout. More logically coherent setting and lore for immersionsim gamers or even just lore geeks that love grand narratives that require attention to detail
>>4091256Indian intelligence.
>>4148808Why should anyone "struggle" to enjoy Fallout 3 when there's a million games you could be playing instead? I would imagine any sane person gets to the quirk chungus in the first town who sends you on fetch quests, realizes what they're in for, and then drops the game.
>>4148970>Why should anyone "struggle" to enjoy Fallout 3Maybe they’re a nu-fan who wants to enjoy the classic Fallouts, where the series began: 3 and New Vegas
>>4148808>a bunch of reasons why various people, myself included, love replaying NVYou forgot to include high estrogen
>>4148970the same reason anyone plays any divisive game in a series (plot, lore, fandom, completion). I make time for games in a series I engage with and I didn't want to be a fallout 3 hater who never made it past Megaton. I did exactly what you described, my first playthrough, got to Megaton and thought the game was insanely retarded and incoherent, but later on got so immersed in New Vegas that I played it to death. I wanted more New Vegas so I revisited 3its a weird bleak corny Oblivion with guns, and i was at peace with it. Until Mothership Zeta soured the whole game by being retard hard whilst "jumping the shark"Bethesda games have different areas written by different people so while most of the writing is juvenile you get the occasional interesting bit. Dunwich building shocked me, the ghoul problem at tenpenny towers is a poignant example of suicidal empathy. I liked some of the vaults... yea there really isn't any other cool writing in 3's base game but I love every single aspect of "Point Lookout" they knocked that one out of the park. The Pitt was ok. I consider the things I liked about 3 canon and added it to my comfy immersion headspace for New Vegas and 1. There are only two good games in the series (1 and NV) so I take what I can get from 2, 3 and 4
>>4136743Are you retarded?
>>4149729>you get the occasional interesting bit."occasional"Interesting bits are everywhere in Fallout 3, drones are just conditioned for criticizing. Just as well, no one ever came here for smart opinions.
>>4149781>heh, you just don’t have high enough IQ to appreciate the subtle nuances of Fallout 3It took 20 years, but here we are. Are these the “man-made horrors beyond my comprehension”?
>>4149783Sorry if that wounded you, but notice that I didn't say it was a matter of intelligence.
>>4078020>laughs in Duck and Cover
I have at least a 1000 hours in the first two. There was just something uniqely immersive about the gameplay that hasnt been recreated yet like the exitement of exploring a place tha tlooks truly abandoned by human life and starving to death in a random encounter right after.>3rd one fucked up the perk system and the whole game was a stale peice of bread>NV was a step in the right direction but was just another layer of jank slapped ontop of the already obsolete engine and ran like dogshit untill modders forced it to run well>FO4 was more like the concept of a fallout game with the illusion of RPG mechanics
>>4150214I think the 2D graphics really leaned into the grittiness of the game's aesthetics.
>>4150230fully agree. the art direction sold everything so much better. The metal felt heavy, the plutonium was radioactive and the iguana bits looked crunchy. The 3d ones look good at times but the individual elements are so lifeless. The 4th one gets the closest IMO
>>4150239I hate the aesthetics of 4 and 76. They're so ugly and go too far into the raygun gothic aesthetic. The post-apocalyptic aesthetic should be completely different than the pre-war style. That's the point, but even the post-apocalyptic stuff in 4 and 76 look like it's 50's inspired. It should be Mad Max or A Boy and His Dog plopped on top of 50's ruins. 4 has no grittiness to it.
One time, in /v/, like two decades ago, I posted a real-world map with Fallout 2 locations marked on it. The natural map, as it appeared in whatever military survey report, had a real-life Modoc which was roughly "one square" west of where it appeared in the game. So I naturally put the dot there.The only reply was somebody moving it back to where it would have been in the game and calling me a slur.Though this happened on /v/, I always think of it as NMA interaction.
>>4150313Honestly that may have been me. I used to be a real fallout diehard sperg. I've calmed down a lot over the years, and Dead Money was basically my moment of clarity. "Let go" was to the old fans, so I did. It's not a series for me anymore. That's fine, I still have the old games.
>>4150242yea, I agree. What I meant was FO4 looks good in refrence to the fidelity of the objects in the world. The total design direction of everything else is very sterile.
>>4150313thats hilarious
>>4150344>sterileThat's my biggest gripe with Fallout now. No swearing, and I mean like, hard swearing. The old games never shied away from foul language, and the violence was meant to be gory and off-putting, not just for a joke. It was post-apocalyptic. Rape, murder, arson, and rape. The older games had that shit in spades. The series is missing its old edge, and I'm being completely serious here. I hate how PG-13 the games have become. Fallout needs to stay a hard R or even be an NC-17. People aren't even really mean in the games anymore. They're just dicks. Snarky dicks, not like, malevolent assholes that want to scoop eyeballs out with a spoon and skullfuck the wound. Call me an edgelord, but I always played the good guy, and man I sure liked putting sick bastards like that down and they really aren't in the games anymore. Fallout 76 has gender affirming raiders now. You think in an actual post-apocalyptic setting people would give a fuck about that when they wouldn't know where their next meal was coming from?
>>4150348yes! the first two were all the top tier, goriest scifi and horror from the 800s and 90s. What inspires the new games?
>>4150354>What inspires the new games?Itself. The games are too self-referential now. It's fallen into a spiral of being nothing but references to past games and including things that "are fallout" which means the Enclave, Super Mutants, Brotherhood, Deathclaws, ghouls, all have to be in every game. No matter where it takes place, with a big 50's aesthetic dumped over the whole thing. Originality is secondary to nostalgia.
>>4150354>the first two were all the top tier, goriest scifi and horror from the 800s and 90s. What inspires the new games?For example the Institute took inspiration from the 1970s sci-fi movie Logan's Run.
>>4150348>That's my biggest gripe with Fallout now. No swearing>Emil Pagliarulo: That's right. There's a rawness there. Being Fallout, we needed some level of profanity. Boy, you've got to be careful. Later on in the editing pass, I did a profanity pass, cutting out half the profanity in the game.>Unless it's written well and voice acted well, it comes across so cheesy. You know, you play games where you hear it, and it's just, "Ugh." Even the most innocuous swear word has to be done just right for it to sound well. That was one of the challenges too.
Fallout 3 is still dogshit and still loved by human garbage.
>>4078020>F1 was good enough to finish>F2 felt like another, longer FO1. Good game, finished it>F3 was the first venture into an fps rpg which other games like borderlands could only imitate. We'd all just got over oblivion and this was oblivion with guns. Good game, finished it>FNV was also good, finished that one tooThe only difference is that with FNV, I can finish it a whole bunch of different ways. One of the most fun quests where you take out kimball can pretty much only be done in a legion playthrough for example. Then, I can mod the FUCK out of it and play a few dozen more big quest lines, a few total conversion mods, create a whole new experience. It was F3 with much more AND mods change the whole game
>>4149781dude I've played it I'm not a drone I like the Ant-agonizer and the t-45 armor has grown on me a lot. But be real, FO3 has a very large map and a demanding time investment to play so the burden of proof is on you. List these supposed interesting bits plsI already talked about Tenpenny and Dunwich. What are you gonna say is interesting? the girl who collects nuka cola?to be fair Fallout fans need to try Point lookout sometime, there is a really cool quest, might be unmarked, where you follow the trail of a dead Chinese spy through a hotel all the way to a nuclear submarine. Theres that Ghoul guy that sounds like a Vvardenfel Dark Elf, he's fun. It felt like FO3 era Bethesda hitting their stride
>>4078020>How long can you subsist solely on the same 20 year old grudges and arguments, still treating Fallout 3 like the end of the world, never moving on?Why would they when everything they say about Fallout 3 is true? Also, they ARE the Fallout fanbase, tourists like you aren't welcome. >>4089926Nothing is "collapsing" aside from Bethesda themselves. New Vegas will always be the most beloved game in the franchise by a country mile, both by fans and casuals alike, where as Fallout 3 fanbase will always be a meme, a joke, your game is now just DLC for Fallout New Vegas as of TTW, nothing more, LMFAO!
>>4091256>The games are the sameOne is an actual RPG written by the same people who made the original two titles, the other is a fever dream made by morons. They are nothing alike>BUT THEY WORK ON THE SAME ENGINE!Fallout 3 is a crappy first person shooter, Fallout New Vegas is an actual RPG with some action elements. They couldn't be less alike, Fallout 3 is nothing more than a tech demo for New Vegas and is now completely and utterly irrelevant.
>>4113124Umm, based? Fuck Bethesda, they deserve the bullying.
>>4149783You're unironcally talking to pic related, you're wasting your time arguing logic with him.
>>4150462>What are you gonna say is interesting? the girl who collects nuka cola?Give her the colas, or help a guy get laid? Tough choice. Sorry guys, but I need the quantum colas to craft grenades.One I liked was the one where you need to find a violin for a nice old lady, who will then play it for you, or you can listen to it on the radio during your travels. That's a beautiful quest for a post apocalyptic setting.
>>4150542You can also sell the fucking thing to a collector in Rivet City more geared toward American history but he'll take it anyway, it completes the quest but you can buy it back from him later and give it to the lady for a cool 200-300 caps. She gets fucking pissed if you tell her about it.
>>4149783I have never once seen you niggers even mention the unmarked quests, you know the thing that uses cRPG mechanics, really more immersive sim like something from the 90's, to give you a quest with no markers and you have to figure out by your own wits how to complete it
>>4150705>really more immersive sim like something from the 90'sBait used to be believable
>>4150721Are you retarded trolling or trying to reinvent the definition of a word with reddit memetics
>>4150703I didn't know that. There was one guy in the ghoul city who also had a dialogue option regarding it, but I remembered from before that the old lady is looking for that particular instrument.Another cool thing about the quest was the tip to check the Vault Tec HQ for vault locations.
>>4078020Anyone else hyped for Mutants rising? The dev is pushing for a 2026 release date.
