Have you considered moving on? Who gives a fuck or still thinks about them? They haven’t been relevant in decades

>>4078020
After their hissy fit? Nah at this point they have to keep it up, pretend it was justified, to save face, until they die. It's been a part of them

All I care about is that Roshambo got what was coming to him. Demented fucking cunt.

>>4078020
I love to see that their narrative of FO3 being dogshit and New Vegas being the greatest thing of all time is finally collapsing, as zoomers embrace Fallout 3.

>>4089926
>as zoomers embrace Fallout 3.
Every time someone on this board says "zoomers are doing X" it's always utter nonsense.

>>4078020
How long can you subsist solely on the same 20 year old grudges and arguments, still treating NMA like the end of the world, never moving on?

>>4090016
nta but I have the impression that zoomers barely play games or at least aren't very engaged with them like x/millenials are.

>>4090016
Cool, dude.

>>4090690
this. my experience is when zoomers say they love a game what they mean is they love reading the lore wiki and watching youtube "video essays" about it

>>4091168
Where did you get your experience with zoomers?

>>4089926
>narrative of FO3 being dogshit and New Vegas being the greatest thing of all time is finally collapsing
FO3 and NV are essentially the same game, NV is just a partial conversion mod for FO3. It’s logically inconsistent to like one but not the other.
>t. disliked both

>>4078020
Ask the same of the Xenogears cult

>>4091168
Not even just that, I think there are just less of them in general playing games that much, and when they do they don't get as engaged. Arguably it may be also that the games made these days are less worth engaging with though.

>>4091256
> It’s logically inconsistent to like one but not the other.
No it isn't, because they have completely different maps, quests, and characters, you fucking retard.

>>4090690
>zoomers at least aren't very engaged with them like x/millenials are.
Millennials are just dramafaggots who chimped out over Bethesda buying Fallout. It was never about the games.

I had completely forgotten about them, but why would they move on? The purpose for their existence is not moving on. You'd think someone would just stop participating in that community at that point as the path of least resistance
>>4093560
I was never a big Fallout fan so it never meant much to me. On one hand I didn't see why they didn't just make an original post apocalyptic IP, but these days I kind of doubt their ability to make a new one, so maybe that was the right call for them.

>>4093599
Very obviously buying an established IP was the correct decision in every sense.

>>4093599
There is no way something as sloppy as Oblivion with Guns would've sold anywhere near enough copies without the Fallout brand name on it. Especially considering they got it for peanuts.

>>4093331
>No it isn't, because they have completely different maps, quests, and characters
Cope.
>you fucking retard
Seethe.
NV fanboys are possibly the most delusional group of secondaries I can think of.

>>4093862
Not a NV fanboy but by this logic Fallout 1 and 2 are the same game and if you liked one you can't hate the other. Which I honestly kinda agree with but I've seen a lot of people claim otherwise

>>4093862
>verifiably objective differences
>cope
Retard. Post discarded.

>>4094835
>by this logic Fallout 1 and 2 are the same game and if you liked one you can't hate the other
Correct. They are, essentially, the same game, in the same way that FO3 and NV are essentially the same game.
It was common in the 90s to pop out a cash grab sequel after a game came out, using the same team and the same engine (which they were familiar with, having just finished a game using it), often recycling much of the same assets. FO2 is a prime example, it came out in what, less than a year of crunch time? Everyone that played FO1 back in the day and liked it almost certainly went on to play FO2, and almost certainly liked it at the time. It was the same gameplay formula and same style of game, just with more shit added to it and a higher power level. Yes, there were tonal differences (FO2 is often berated for too many pop culture references, which is fair, but FO1 had quite a few as well, it wasn’t a dead-serious apocalypse sim played straight like revisionists now pretend it was) and the pacing was significantly less tight than FO1 (due to how much bigger the game was), but at the core it’s just “Fallout, but more”
NV is the same shit. It’s an upjumped mod for FO3, recycling half of that games assets. Obsidian are hacks who got their start making cash grab sequels for games created by others. Kotor2, NWN2, NV, etc. The core of the game is the same. It plays the same. It feels the same. Hence, it’s essentially the same game. Ask yourself “what game does NV play more alike to, FO3, or FO1?” The answer is blatantly FO3 and everyone knows it, there’s just a handful of pseuds in denial that they’re playing a heavily-modded FO3. They want to pretend they’re playing the “real” Fallout, not those plebians playing Bethesda games. Don’t ask them to go play Fallout 1, though, it’s just too clunky and dated.

>>4095474
Fair enough then

>>4078020
Fallout 3 WAS the end of the world. The end of the IP, in this case. Also easily the worst cRPG of the decade and one of the worst games in 2008.
Do you retards really think you can pretend something didn't happen after a long time? No, you fucks, it happened, it sucks and you will be reminded of it until you die.

>>4093331
That's all just set dressing. The underlying systems are the same.

>>4078020
i have a few issues with NMA

1) because of the fact it was established by some idiot nationalist yugoslav before the game was even released. The series has never been allowed to have a normal fan community. It was rigged from the start
2) Its literally just a trolling community. They are responsible for years of nasty trolling directed towards anyone that works on the series
3) all their opinions on the series are largely shit and wrong. They have also been responsible for trying to manipulate the direction and lore of the setting by passing off their complete bullshit headcanons they pulled out of their ass as factual canon for years. A whole lot of misconceptions stem from them.

>>4103522
>nationalist yugoslav
Wat
>before the game was even released
Wat
>complete bullshit headcanons they pulled out of their ass as factual canon
Wat

>>4097940
>The underlying systems are the same.
Skills, perks, derived stats from SPECIAL, DR/DT, weapon mods, iron sights, VATS damage, different level scaling, deterministic skill checks, weapon strength requirements, ammo types, the companion interface, and hardcore mode's various effects are all gameplay system changes and new features in New Vegas. I'm probably forgetting quite a few. From armor to weapons to skills to level progression, just about every RPG system's mechanics were changed from Fallout 3.
It was built off the previous engine, and some assets were reused. That's it.

>>4103667
>It was built off the previous engine, and some assets were reused. That's it.
You’re missing the forest for the trees. You are hung up on some superficial details that are ultimately trivial and meaningless. New Vegas plays just like FO3. It has the same gameplay loop. It feels the same. The mechanical differences are minor tweaks. It is, at its core, the same game. Its essence is the same.
For a counter example of a mod that shares the same engine but does plays radically differently and doesn’t feel the same, compare NWN1 and Witcher 1.

>>4104622
What's a gameplay loop

>>4104626
>What's a gameplay loop
You know that casino when you’re taking I-5 south out of Vegas?

>>4104633
What's a gameplay loop

>>4078020
I like Norzan or whatever his name is. he almost always makes good posts that I agree with

Have you even read the forum recently, it's pratically dead and the people who do post there like Fallout 3.

>>4078020
based forum stays based

>>4104649
think about it for a few minutes and maybe your low IQ ass will figure it out.

>>4104622
>New Vegas plays just like FO3
It's definitely not. Repair is less restrictive, raw food can produce debuffs and it heals over time so you can't abuse it as much as in 3, the ammo type adds some consideration when entering combat, survival improves the effectiveness of food as well as allowing you to craft different utilities at campfires. And while Hardcore mode isn't that hard, it does adds a few considerations when it comes to Doctor Bags and ammo weight. Saying that they play the same is pure delusion by Bugthestards.

>>4112383
so no, saying that "it's just the same" because it is the same engine has no weight. It'd be like saying that Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are the same because the later re-uses a bunch of assets from the former.

>>4104633
>NV has the same gameplay loop because it has gamble, which isn't even present in Fallout 3

>>4103522
>A whole lot of misconceptions stem from them

I still haven't seen anyone actually prove them wrong. And almost every time they try, the only people who ends up being wrong are those defending Bethesda.

>>4078097
They were justified.
Bethesda did ruin fallout but anyways their hissy fit was basically not buying the slop

New Vegas hate is so strange. Its still the only first person rpg that is actually an rpg like I wish It wasn't the case but that is the reality. And its a more natural fallout 3 than fallout 3 will ever be which was just a cash grab dumbfication of a classic that didn't add anything to the universe instead just reusing fallout 1 enemies with the fallout 2 storyline barely changing

>>4113082
>their hissy fit was basically not buying the slop
>they good boy they dindu nuffin
Bethesda had to hire security guards

>>4112390
Depends on the point in question, but they did seem to start the "fallout is morally grey" meme which just isn't true in the classic fallouts. It is crystal clear who the bad guys and good guys are. The games let you be a heartless prick which is fun, but the situations are not complicated. Junktown for example, or the regulators vs the blades. The Master is an interesting villain but an obviously evil one, and the Enclave even moreso.

Also the notion of "post post-apocalypse" is true for New Vegas and no other game in the series.

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>>4078020
>Fallout 3 wasn't the end of the series
I don't know man.

>>4112390
its got nothing to do with bethesda. A bunch of misconceptions can be attributed to NMA.
For example the transistor myth, the belief there are no transistors in Fallout comes from an NMA post from iirc a former mods headcanon. There used to be an entire wiki page debunking this but it got deleted.
Theres similar wiki shenanigans, one of the people running the gamepedia wiki was a NMA mod. They attempted to pass off their headcanon as Van Buren lore. Their citation was "a Fallout dev told me it in a private phone call" in an NMA post. Levels of it came to me in a dream tier shit posting.

More recently in the tv show there was an explanation of the origin of the Vault boy thumbs up. This explanation originates from NMA from a conversation that might have happened.

>>4093560
it wasnt "millenials"it was gen Xers you retard

>>4114949
It was millennials

>>4114956
i was a kid when Fallout came out and i was excited for Fo3 i personally got trolled by gen X schizos on forums back then because i said Fo3 looked cool lol.
These were married guys with kids so they had to be gen X

>>4114970
Yep you got bullied by millennials, tough life