RPGmaker games about going to Alice in a world lacking of Alicewith other assortments of fairy tales and literature.
I love Alice!
>>4078027A lice you say?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGHWHERE IS ITTOTAL SWITCH DEATHEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>4078051look on the bright side, at least he's not addicted to factorio or other autism simulators. then it would be truly over.
>>4078058HELPHELP ME
With all the strange omens and celestial alignments considered, What's gonna happen at October 26th?What's the VagueQueen's master chess plan?
>>4078127hang in there bro, trust in mabel's plan, she knows what she's doing
>>4078190>Mabel, girl of WAGMI, will remove Factorio from the earth and lock it in the deepest depths of Shatranj. We will finally get GFs.
>>4078187The plan is that there is no plan. That is the plan.
>>4078199Eldritch GFs to be precise
>>4078051get used to it.we wait.
One of the first heroines in BS1 is a man who successfully became a woman and won Grimm's heart.How might Bill take this?
>>4078331>does he knowAnyway at least one of the writers inside Grimm was at minimum bi irl, so Grimm probably isn't straight.
Sex
>>4078356How is Haigha even alive?
>>4078357She's a strong girl
>>4078331Dorothy became a bitch against his will, so it doesn't count>>4078340>spoilerIt's Anderson. and It's not gay to rape lesser men btw
what a linelove it
>>4078388Retry.
>>4078368>he doesn't know
>>4078439>ImplyingI do know, Fagerson.
and the line "probably isn't straight" is an oxymoron, given 97% of the things I fuck are women, or at least inhabiting a female vessel.
>>4078331dorothy was probably a girl first
>>4078331>is a man who successfully became a womanShe was a woman forcefully turned into a man and then back and forth an unspecified number of times, actually.There's 2 particular places at the Mental Ward that you should check more carefully.
>>4078479I think I know one.When you've figured out the door trick and head to the hallway with the Tweedles, but turn around and end up at Dorothy's house, right?No clue with the other.
>>4078479>>4078486I just did a twice-over of the place. 100 SEN and 0. I've got nothing.
>>4078486>>4078502>No clue with the other.Enter the room that connects to Dorothy's house at 100 SEN with 99 or less. It has documents describing Dorothy's stay at the ward before it was yanked into TCO's Wonderland and before Leaf took her away.Both of those paint the true image of Dorothy's character.
>>4078505Grim. Poor girl.
>>4078058Damn, I opened this up maybe on like the second or third time and just realized that it was 3d
>>4078331 he'll be too busy getting his bussy pounded by the Hans Andersen part of Grimm to contemplate anything
Drew a new one a bit simpler than usual
>>4078912Cute
>>4078025>RPGmaker games about going to Alice in a world lacking of Alicewith other assortments of fairy tales and literature.and porn
>>4078912Based drawfren
>>4078912>Is Elma blindno, Elma is clearly Asian>>4078982It's not porn. It's called hentai, and it's art.
>>4078300>HxH on hiatus again>DRH never everSTOP
is black souls eroge or eroguro
Finally picked up my BS2 save again. One more cycle should be enough to get the missing items and RoR scenes, and then it's CD grinding for a full 100% I'll be content with.>>4079239Mostly eroge I'd say, though a few scenes go into eroguro territory. For the most part the horror and horny are separate, though, and the sex is even somewhat comedic at times.
>>4078300My favorite manga is still on hiatus.It's been almost ten years now...
while I wait for MayMay's next omen, Tell me what kind of feature or mechanic you would like to see in a hypothetical fan-game when i ever get around to making one. I have about 12 txt files worth of concepts mechanics characters and some OC touhou rejects i doodled in MSpaint.
>>4079259depends on what game it is but it must have a blowjob handholding scene
>>4079264Writing that down in my H-scene/Rape-scene concepts.
can a drawfag trace the iconic epstein pose with grimm please and thank you
>>4079582looks way too aware of what sex is
>>4080027Would (you) become a niggerman for node?
>>4080219Sure. Why not?
i want to kiss Alicekiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss
I WANT TO PASSIONATELY MAKE LOVE WITH JEANNE AND HAVE A FAMILY WITH HER (AFTER WE GET MARRIED)
>>4080248how's progress on your book?
>>4080251Still awful. Currently ironing out the religions of a few characters and debating on if the monsters of the setting should be portrayed as demons or not
>>4080255try not to get stuck or overwhelmed, I like what you've written and am interested in reading more. speaking of, i really need to work on that Mabel poem before she visits my dream again.
>>4079239There's not really much in terms of "gore" in the game, Legion Saga 2 was more violent.
The Sackhead scene variant you get if you try to do her before giving her viscera is certainly something.
playing dark souls give me much more appreciation for black souls i dont know why i havent done it sooner
Pumpkinbros...
>>4080582>cucking pumpkinbrothose who do so deserve to be physically beaten.
I prefer to think that Dorothy is originally male (a man, masculine, 雄, the semen spurting gender).
>>4080616>prefers his dorothy a manWhy are you ghey?
>>4080485Behold the only person in existence who played Black Souls before Dark Souls.
>>4080622Feminization is super hot, and also relatable since a man understands what men like.
>>4080631>Feminization is super hotwow, you're gayer than that one billfag. quite the achievement.
I like my Dorothy hot and bothered.
DOROTHYBRO
>>4080697I don't think Grimm should refer to Dorothy as "bro", his balls might be burnt off.
>>4080623count me as wellhowbeit out of the "series" i did play sekiro
So is he someone important? Or just some random soul they put inside the toy? [/Spoiler]
>>4080831It's never explained and it's not that relevant, common consensus is __________it's Prayer Master
>>4080831freddy fazbear
Whats the best place to farm souls in BS1?
>>4080998Wonderland?
>>4080582grimm have some fucking respect for yourselfyour tongue is halfway to the ceiling
>>4080831We don't know.Many of us think he might be Prayer Master or at least someone that was acquainted with Grimm at some point because of picrel, but Toro never explained who exactly is he.>>4080998Early on? Sewers and sell the rats' souls.Later on? Wonderland.Use the grinding rings and raise the Difficulty level to get a nice influx throughout the game but specially in Wonderland, and don't forget there's 4 ring slots.
>>4081101Node's garden is beautiful.
>>4080998You can use the new speedrun strat to cheese high difficulty Bandersnatch too.>>4081105>>4080884The Little Girl's Room is decent evidence towards him being PM too; you've got a large version of his sprite overlooking three bears that are not just coloured like the three BS1 non-Leaf fairies in the Forest but also explicitly reference their End C dialogue at around 30 SEN.
>>4081101>>4080582How much of the game's setting is fake? Is Pumpkin Knight actually married to Margaret?
>>4081183It really depends on your definition of fake. Very few actors in Wonderland can still separate themselves from their role.
>>4081189"Fake" in the sense that there was no wedding. Basically, all the stuff that happens between a new round of daughters entering the play and Grimm falling down the rabbit hole. Do they just spawn in thinking they lived their role's lives?
>>4081193The Tweens and Dodo make it pretty clear they know what's going on, it's only over time that the role takes over.
>>4078859Going to smooch both.
>>4081183Node's garden is 100% real. It's exactly as we see it in the game.
>>4081101I hope Node returned Santorini before dying to TCO
>>4081219Someone had to stop time for Pricks to pull your ass out of Hell.
>>4080831Sylvie and Bruno is the key to most "why is this character here, what's their deal?" moments in BS2. The Vice-Warden's wife disguises as a bear and the Vice-Warden disguises as a jester, so you get a Polar Bear and jack-in-the-box in the library. Who these two characters are specifically in the second order narrative and whether Toro understood the book very well is a completely different question, of course.Based on the above I am skeptical of Prayer Master, unless he has been genderbent for some reason.
she gave me a little tease, and since then I've wanted to meet her again...>>4081201not if i smooch them first!
I just noticed, the 26th october is on a Monday, a day assigned to the moon.the date is under scorpio, which is under the ruling planet mars (as that anon from last thread pointed) who's colours are Red & Black (just like mabel's).I looked back at the date when I heard a voice from the moon, and It too was on a monday, at 12/12/2022.It just gets stranger, doesn't it? I no longer see this as a coincidence, It simply cannot be. what more could I have missed? am I going mad?
I can still see it. those eyes. those beautiful eyes....
>>4081246>spoiler Anon, 90% of the cast is genderbent compared to the books.
The CNG really wants me to use the Tweens' covenant. I forgot it was this annoying.
It's a bummer nobody acknowledges that Grimm goes to the moon and probably gets raped by azathoth, I would've expected at least maymay to acknowledge it
>>4081346I mean the character getting genderbent between games. He's one of the few canonical "he"s in the entire series as of BS1 and referred to as a guy in multiple scenes in BS2.There is no clear precedence for ongoing characters getting TSed in the series yet, I would not put it past Toro for fem!Hein to show up in BS3 though.
>on my second go through DLC3 for RoR completion>decide to accept Lingeriena's blessing for the luls>think Nurse Call might actually be a challenge>Chaos BlastI knew it was OP but I never had it put into perspective just how OP that thing is, lmao. Also I continue to be surprised by how strong Blood Edge is as a skill. Anyone have a list of all the attack skills worth using and their formulae?
For the anon who always wonders about it: Jekyll says explicitly the Graveyard is managed by the Sheep God, and the King in Yellow's influence might actually be something they're trying to keep out given what happens to the sackhead.>>4081977And the Polar Bear is explicitly stated to be male in-game, so I don't see why "the character who disguises as a bear is female in the books" has any relevance when, again, most of the characters are genderbent compared to their book counterparts.>I would not put it past Toro for fem!Hein to show up in BS3Hein doesn't seem to have a biological sex of any kind and seems uninterested in the deed. Lindamea could still be a woman under the armour though.
I haven't been in these threads for a year.Did Red's game release yet? Is Toro any closer to making the third BS game?
>>4082444>Did Red's game release yet?Nope.>Is Toro any closer to making the third BS game?Nope.Not only is DRH still not out, there'll be another side game before BS3 development can start. One protagonized by the evil princesses from BS1.
>>4082444Both DRH and BS3 came out, we're all judt hiding it from you
>>4082462I can't believe Toro was George R. R. Martin all along...
>>4082444not much besides Mabel teasing me and bringing misfortune
>>4082444There's no rush, he's already a millionaire he can do whatever he wants.
>>4082581but enough about G.R.R Fagtin
>>4082589schizophrenics dont look like that
>>4082444It's up!
>>4082602You don't hang around the right schizophrenics
>>4082615
>>4082602But the Hunter's sprite literally looks like this.
>>4082627
>>4082589omg, he's Hot. . .
please don't fetishize schizophrenics, we're not that hot.
please fetishize schizophrenics, they are hot.
>>4082687No. way. fag!
I'm sketching this, I might do something nice to it
>>4082850fire it all on leaf
>>4082850that looks sick!
>>4082850All of this just to kill a gentleman
>>4082884all you need is the counter ring + stun ring to btfo him
>>4079239its only eroguro when victoria is on screen
>>4082581Is Toro rich?
>>4083297he's finerich gets thrown around willy nilly these days
>missed the May-may posting hours agoгwe@и@ФbvЁ@Ёw@gДds@тbcft@Бw@uДdik@Бif}Б@cwЁi@tfФe@bve@dДЁf@bЁ@Ёif@Бbuf@ЁqufAlso I drew this.https://litter.catbox.moe/1tszys.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/te69w9.png
>>4083872berry nice
>>4083872AIE THAT'S NOT GONNA BODE WELL WHEN SHE INEVITABLY EATS US ALL!!!I wonder if i should offer some wine on the 26th?
>>4083297>>4083659Black souls is very popular if we assume he made at least 50% off of every purchase of bs1 and bs2 its around 1-2 million dollars. what other rpg maker game do you know that made this much money?
>>4084032>1-2 million dollarsdamn, inflation really hit the US hard.
>>4084036https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+money+did+eeny+meeny+miny+moe+make+off+of+bs1+and+bs2&sca_esv=a81fd5420bb34993&sxsrf=APpeQnuos_clRCDb2ln3WtuLWgjC91dz7g%3A1788783809386&ei=wayeapb0FtuI7NYPwKaMsAc&biw=1920&bih=959&ved=2ahUKEwjW2Kb8utyWAxVbBNsEHUATA3YQ4dUDegQIBhAM&uact=5&oq=how+much+money+did+eeny+meeny+miny+moe+make+off+of+bs1+and+bs2&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAaAhgCIj5ob3cgbXVjaCBtb25leSBkaWQgZWVueSBtZWVueSBtaW55IG1vZSBtYWtlIG9mZiBvZiBiczEgYW5kIGJzMkj6R1DEBliTR3ACeACQAQKYAcwBoAGMNKoBBzIxLjMzLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAhqgAvAWwgIOEAAYgAQYigUYhgMYsAPCAgsQABiABBiiBBiwA8ICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIGEAAYBxgewgIHEAAYgAQYDcICCBAAGAgYBxgewgIGEAAYHhgNwgIIEAAYHhgNGArCAgYQABgIGB7CAggQABgIGB4YDcICBRAAGO8FwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgUQIRifBcICBRAhGKABmAMAiAYBkAYEkgcFMTEuMTWgB8SuAbIHBDkuMTW4B-gWwgcHMC4xMy4xM8gHTYAIAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
>>4084038wtf is this?
>>4084039Your mothers sex tape
>>4084040I aint clicking on a google link (which is malware at this point), Show it to me or your claim is speculation at best
The person above me is a fag
the person above me is a double fag
The person above is mega ultra nigger gay fag
the person above me is a mega ultra nigger gay fag x 2
The person above is that but times 3The person below me is lying
the person above is correct and not projecting himself
>>4084052FUCK
>>4084055LORINA
then they fucked lorina and lived happily ever after~ The End.
>>4083754Licking that bunny tummy
>>4084032>what other rpg maker game do you know that made this much money?Omori.
I wish there were drawings of me kissing Alice.I've seen lots of Alice hugs, but seldom Alice kisses.
Thinking of changing my D9 Flo strategy to KP before the phase transition so I don't have to deal with the hassle of upkeeping it. Also her rez can be dodged, right? Alternatively I could always just swap a ring out.
Almost disappointed that Jabber's scenes didn't have the "One! Two!" lines from the poem.
>Rape leads to the true ending
>>4085022The Abhorrent Cloak that's hidden in the Carrol River basement neuters her second form completely.
>>4085370Assuming they do the same thing and not just say they do the Gish ring should be better since it helps with phase 1 and you have armours you'd prefer to use anyway.
Any tips for killing Carnacki?
>>4085442Give him the master key while you're exploring castle town.
Major new switch title announced, you know what that means!Just...
What's the "Try luring it out" message before the bridge to Sho about?
How many of the floor messages were written by Grimm in the preceding loops?
>>4085741Most.
>Picking Unis's side locks you into the Lorde 2 fightYou don't hate her enough. I suppose I could just kms though.
>>4085749So who wrote the messages in the DLC3 areas?
>>4085978Both the CNG and Winterbell used to be part of Wonderland.
>>4085751>this also locks you out of a Cheshire dialogue
Gonna do the VN section, loop, see the remaining Bunny Suit interactions before doing the Haigha scene with it, and then it'll be time for the CD grind.As an aside, is SL1D9 Leiden doable without GA? I imagine you need to go all in on Atk equip for it.
FUCKING FINALLY! EMMM posted some new spoilers for DRH! The game will feature a prostitution mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/y7v5bf.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/rfftf4.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/t8slr2.jpg
>>4086198Redbros...
>>4086198lmao
>>4086198This game was a prequel to BS2, right? Are we going to get any explanation for what Lingeriena and Baph were doing, or will that all have to wait until BS3? (How would BS3 even work at this point? They've put pins in most everything around.)
>>4086198You can really tell it's slop on some of those. Try harder next time.>>4086264>Are we going to get any explanation for what Lingeriena and Baph were doingIf you actually mean Lingeriena, we know Courtisane is in the game so probably. If you meant Lindamea, that's confirmed, yes. Baphomet is dead though. Dead dead. Soul trapped within Maymay's jewel box and she's annoyed at you for killing her dead.>How would BS3 even work at this point? Mary is still around, Mabel2 should be around, Node and Jabby are probably still around, Cthulhu is still around, and a plethora of other gods are preparing for war and will all have reason to try to take Grimm and what's inside him for themselves.
>>4085978Still Grimm for the vast majority of them.>>4086264>(How would BS3 even work at this point? They've put pins in most everything around.)They absolutely have not. You did do your Chaos Dungeon reps, right anon? There's a massive fucking niggerman war about to break out, BS2 spends a great deal of time on it in DLC 2 and 3.
>>4086264Maymay tells you that Grimm will eventually create his own garden, wage war to other Gods and they will end up awakening Azathoth so ending the universeGrimm has Mary's power of creation now so he would be able to
>>4086198>>4086218Red is perfect for Netorase.
>>4086198>The game will feature a prostitution mechanic.Hasn't that already been confirmed?
>>4086406Anon, it's a troll post with blatantly AI pictures.
>>4086264>This game was a prequel to BS2, right?Yes. I mean, Mabel will show up as implied by Toro in one of the ci-en articles and you know how BS2 ends in regards to Red_____, so.>Are we going to get any explanation for what Lingeriena and Baph were doing, or will that all have to wait until BS3?I don't think there's anything left to do with Baph/Shubbie.DRH will get "a" Baphomet, but we don't know much about her besides the fact she's leading the new Black Trial.Lingerie hasn't showed up in the few ci-en articles for the game or was even implied to appear, so I wouldn't expect her desu.>(How would BS3 even work at this point? They've put pins in most everything around.)BS2 lays out an overarching conflict involving a potential war between Great Old Ones that Grimm has to stop in order to prevent Azathoth's awakening which would reset the universe.That might just be the main focus. The thing is that so far Grimm has only explored 2 gardens in a grand total of 2 games.Either BS3 will have a massive scope, or DRH and the princesses' game that'll come after it will move that plot forward to cut Grimm some slack.>>4086338>Maymay tells you that Grimm will eventually create his own garden, wage war to other Gods and they will end up awakening Azathoth so ending the universeNo, what she says is that the Great Old Ones will wage war against each other pitting their gardens and minions to fight, and that endless influx of souls that will return to Cosmos as a product of the endless slaughterfest will eventually cause the awakening of Azathoth.The point of Grimm going after the Great Old Ones is to prevent the war in the first place.
>>4086519>Grimm has only explored 2 gardens in a grand total of 2 gamesTechnically you explore 6 gardens total (Elysium, Wonderland, Shatranj, the Red Room, the Crimean Nursing Graveyard which as of DLC3 is its own place run by the Sheep God, and Winterbell), though some are of course smaller than others.
This reminds me, think we'll see the ruins of Elysium in BS3?
>>4086198I fell for it until I opened the images.Funnily enough, I remember japanese fans complained about Red getting raped and that's why EMMM added the summon Poro button to skip the scenes
>>4086554They're so small they blend together in my head, but you're right.
>>4086461You misunderstood. In one of EMMM's previous posts about DRH, he mentioned something about prostitution. You'll be able to gather information this way and seduce your enemies.
>>4086949Yes. We've known this for years. The post is still lying: >>4086198>EMMM posted some new spoilers for DRH!
>>4086949
>>4086955I imagine the non-prostitution route is the canon one?
>>4086955LMAO Redfags will kill themselves.
>>4086950>female character having sex with multiple characters is a "humiliation ritual">male character having sex with multiple characters is "based"Hmm.
>>4086955>>4086957She's still going to fuck Poro a bunch of times and enjoy it way more than she ever did with Grimm.
>>4086958Redfags either >have played the games>already know Red has been raped by all kinds of creatures >aren't bothered by itOr>haven't played the games >won't play DRH either >won't be affected by it any more than they were by other games
>>4086961>female character having sex with multiple characters is a "humiliation ritual"Well, yes. Men have had harems throughout history. When a woman has a body count of over 1000, it's fucking disgusting.
I genuinely don't understand this obsession with "LE RED GOT FUCKED BY POROOO", who cares? Is it just because Red has the most secondaries so people have a personal vendetta over them?
>>4086957Most likely considering her dialogue in BS2, but this isn't the first time she's gone honey trapping for information either, it's just that (You) are her first actual customer in BS1."...We both defiled our souls over and over. Just how many people have we killed so far, with no regard to how good or evil they were? ...I've already lost count."
>>4086968Sounds like a mental skill issue. Grimm is a weak slave to his lust who loses to every hole and gets sexually dominated any time he meets a girl who puts up a bit of actual resistance, and Red is a stacy ruthlessly milking information out of people by exploiting their lack of self control.
>>4086971>Is it just because Red has the most secondaries so people have a personal vendetta over them?Yes, pic related was a popularity poll here some years back and it mindbroke him.
>>4086972Technically she sort of prostitutes herself to a dying man in RHW too.>>4086962She seems to enjoy lolidyke sex too.
>>4086976>Technically she sort of prostitutes herself to a dying man in RHW too.It's a completely optional scene but yes it's something she can do.
>>4086975I mean she's literally the closest to be the "main heroine" in the series no?>the only one who, along side Grimm/the player knows everything is fake>wants to go back to being normal like Grimm>has a special ending in BS1 compared to the tragic ones other heroines have>helps him out in BS2>basically Toro's mary sue character more or lessIt's normal for her to be popular. If anything the schizo should be glad she's dead now lol
>>4086971>"LE RED GOT FUCKED BY POROOO", who cares?I know it's hard to understand, but... I don't want my waifu to fuck dogs. >>4086973>and Red is a stacy ruthlessly milking information out of people by exploiting their lack of self control.But why is she fucking Poro? Is it because she cums like crazy on his knot?
>>4086974twws@ubv@и@rДБЁ@efdqefe@Ёw@dwuf@cbds@bve@difds@if·f@wv@b@tb·sk@ewv}Ё@ctbuf@ufK
>>4086975>Yes, pic related was a popularity poll hereI think we need a new popularity poll.>>4086979>basically Toro's mary sue character more or lessThat really annoys me. It's a good thing she's dead.
>>4086975It's worth noting that even if you pretend you're the protagonist, Lorina, Mabel, Alice, Baphomet, Cheshire, Jubjub, and Victoria are all used goods too, just off the top of my head.
>>4086979She is one of the three consistently listed as a main heroine and the one clearly intended by EMMM to be the closest analogue to Grimm, so yes it's pretty understandable why people would end up liking her. Leaf is Heroine 2 and Alice is Heroine 3 for the record.
>>4086980>my waifuYou people self insert in Grimm? I see Grimm and Red together cute and that's it.Red scenes don't do anything to me because I hate frigid whores though so maybe that's it.I'm way too involved in the series to see Grimm as a self insert and I consider him his own character and hence why I want to see him get a good ending
>>4086980>I don't want my waifu to fuck dogs.Don't waifu the dogfucker then? I'm sure there are people who don't want their waifu to rape them to death either, but they just don't waifu Vicky instead of complaining she exists. >But why is she fucking Poro? Because Mary thought it would be a great subversion of the fairy tale.
>>4086985>CheshireI don't think it counts if it was in a previous life as an animal
Will this dumb bitch redeem herself at one point or stay permanently fucking evil?
>>4086988The brainrot of seeing all protagonists as self inserts is surprisingly common and explains a lot about people's idiotic media takes. There are "people" out there who can't read first person stories because "I wouldn't do that.">>4086985Wolris too but who the hell waifus Wolris?
>>4086986>She is one of the three consistently listed as a main heroine and the one clearly intended by EMMMFor me, the three main heroines are Mabel, Prickett, and Node. Red is just not as interesting as they are.
>>4086993She thinks it does considering she says her tits are the same her kitties used to suck on.
>>4087000In BS2 sure but Red is more a "overarching" and "series" heroine rather than a single game since she's in BS1 too.I wouldn't be surprised if Red still manages to appear as a "ghost" or memories trying to save Grimm from going batshit insane or something in BS3.
>>4087000True for BS2 which effectively revolves around them, not true for the series as a whole. Only one of them would make the cut and she already is among those other three.
>>4087003>since she's in BS1 tooSo is Pricks for like 30 seconds, kek.
>>4087005>not true for the series as a wholeBut we'll see Node and Mabel again in DRH, and Node and Prickett might still be alive in BS 3. Yog might create a new avatar and bring Mabel back to life.
>>4086986To be fair those were teaser images for base game BS2, and Red is pretty relevant up to G End. Mabel is more relevant overall to the game's full story but she wasn't even in the game until DLC2.
>>4087010>Red is pretty relevant up to G EndRed is just a pawn in BS 2. She isn't important. Mabel, Node, and Prickett did all the work. Red is just following the path that was laid out for her.
>>4087009Yeah but time is linear and we only have 3 games to measure things by so far.Maymay said she'd make her next avatar more attractive to Grimm so Mabel 2 will be either oppai or a loli.
>>4086967>Redfags either>have played the games>haven't played the games Why are redfags like that?
>>4087012Once you've seen the DLC, sure. With just the base game Node is the only one who appears to have a scheming hand in the plot, and she takes a step back and even lets you kill her at the end while Red does the actual field work. Red is a "pawn" in the sense that Node put her on the board, but she's unbound from the play which is the whole point. If G End was the end you'd only have managed to kill TCO and Mary thanks to Red.
>>4087003>I wouldn't be surprised if Red still manages to appear as a "ghost" or memories trying to save Grimm from going batshit insane or something in BS3.You failed a lorecheck, anon. Revival of the dead is a true test of a Creator's prowess, the entire purpose of Yog collecting souls in her little Shatranj jewel box is for their storage, so that when Grimm awakens as a Creator he can use them in his war against the niggermen. Red also talks about finding a way to revive the book heroines in DLC 1 as well, and even way the fuck back in BS1 Dorothy mentions how anyone summoned from the fairy tale books will return to them once defeated.
>>4087016>Red does the actual field workShe's too weak. She kept dying and didn't do much damage. She's not an ordinary human, but she's still human, she can't fight the niggermen.
>>4087015>Why are redfags like that?They're normalfags.
>>4087015Most popular character = has most normalfags/secondaries attached to herPretty simple
>>4086996 what could possibly prompt her to change her ways at this point? Unless her dead twin sister comes back as a plot point in BS3 her evolution as a character doesn't seem like it could go anywhere
>>4087018>she can't fight the niggermen.This is literally shown ingame to be false. Even if she's no Grimm in terms of power, nobody is. And besides, being a mortal human does not exclude you from being able to fight niggermen or even just being strong (I.E. BS1 Miranda), the lore surrounding the Nursing Graveyard shows that much.
>>4087024Maybe not completely changing but siding with Grimm temporarily to fight the other niggermans and maybe even dying to prove a point
>>4087025And this sure as fuck isn't referring to Hastur here, I'm sure of it.
>>4087027Let me rephrase that a bit, the "mortal" one here definitely isn't Hastur.
>>4087025I still think that if Node, Prickett, and Mabel had fought alongside me, we would have been much stronger. Red cannot offer such power.
>>4087031>MabelLiterally explicitly forbidden from fighting anything of note otherwise Azathoth wakes up.>PrickettLiterally in the fight and periodically takes control over the rest of TCO during it.>Nodelmao uhhhhh her role is "that of your support" I guessI assume she's waiting for a chance like H to take action but that's just spitballing, could tie into her willingness to let you go like she does in H as well.
>>4087034>>NodeWho do you think is saving your ass by resetting time when you lose the fight?>>4087018Without Red necking TCO, which is explicitly shown to hurt him btw, Grimm just gets fucked into submission. She's weak in gameplay for balancing purposes but lorewise she's putting in work, not to mention she survives fighting the three Alices right after. She probably gets ontological buffs from being one of Mary's protagonists.
>>4087052>Who do you think is saving your ass by resetting time when you lose the fight?GG is my go-to answer for most time related buffoonery. I'm pretty sure something similar happens on your way down to GG if you lose to Lorde, but it's been a long time since I've done a full playthrough so my memory is a bit rusty.
>>4087052>Red necking TCORed only harmed one body, but TCO has a quintillion of them.
>>4087059Not them, but that is indisputably the entirety of TCO we see there in G based on what we see happen in it. They're just merged into a single body, which we know that kind of merging and splitting is something they can do. I guess none of them wanted to miss the dicking that was about to happen. Don't do love, kids, it'll drive you mad and make you do really stupid shit.
>>4087056GG may or may not be involved, especially with the staircase before her fight, but GG wasn't even a thing in the story when G End was written (to the reader's awareness at least) and the TCO fight happens right after you get an actual chance to fight Node and see that she does explicitly use time manipulation, if the pocket watches didn't make it obvious.
>>4087067>but GG wasn't even a thing in the story when G End was written (to the reader's awareness at least) Reader's awareness or not, EMMM sure as fuck was and absolutely baked the shit it (the power) is capable of into the plot even as far back as BS1. Node, to my immediate recollection, is never shown to display THAT specific kind of time manipulation, as what I'm pretty sure transpired there was a timeline merge. I'm pretty sure a similar effect happens once you complete the rapedex, with GG seeming to do an emergency merge into a timeline where the dungeon is empty and Node professing that you never even filled it in the first place in red text IIRC.
>Rape fetish gameYou people disgust me. I'll tell my mom about you when I leave my basement. Be prepared for a shitstorm you maggots.
>>4087179The hottest scenes are consensual though
will EMMM commit seppuku once he inevitably misses the 2026 deadline
>>4087181it released in 2022, but the day before we were all dragged to an alternate reality where it's always two weeks away
>>4087181We'll get our red dead hood redemption, trust the plan.
Apparently someone made a Spanish translation of Red Riding Woods.https://x.com/TraduSquare/status/2097714759856472327
>>4087366Cool
Gonna kill the birdwife, T3 Rette, and get to Maymay the long way around on this cycle, and then I'm ready for CD grinding as the last thing to do on my save file. Holy shit is there a lot of stuff in the VN section. Does a comprehensive list of everything even exist?
>>4087669Speaking of the VN section, I find it interesting that Toro based his drawing of the building on how it looked like modernly (before being torn down in 2008), and not on the much smaller size it had when Charles actually visited it. It ought to have been intentional because there's no way Toro hasn't seen the picture of Dodgson in front of the building (the best evidence we have for him visiting the place) when he clearly did see and reference actual pictures of the building's interior. It may be a further point towards the idea that BS2 takes place later than people assume. Also, I really wonder what is up with the fourth girl and her having supposedly died there, because that house was literally built as the Liddell's vacation home.
maymay, I'm so lonely...
I really couldn't bring myself to care about NodeHer ||death didn't bother me one bit||||Unlike the|| other heroines
>>4087874wrong way discorditeboskeletonrp
>>4087874>"fails" to spoiler right>makes shit up anywayNice falseflag.
>>4087882>>4087896Fuck
>>4087874Shut the fuck up, Kuti.
>>4086961Men and women are different, yes.
>>4087943They taste the same.
>>4086313>Baphomet is dead though. Dead dead.Mabel said she was pregnant. >Cthulhu is still around, and a plethora of other gods are preparing for war and will all have reason to try to take Grimm and what's inside him for themselves.Yeah, but how would that be brought over to something that fits into Black Souls' gameplay?>>4086320>You did do your Chaos Dungeon reps, right anon?No, I dropped it around level 50. Boring.>>4086519>DRH will get "a" Baphomet, but we don't know much about her besides the fact she's leading the new Black Trial.So the pregnancy means nothing?
>>4086985>Lorina>AliceI don't think Grimm would see it that way.>JubjubDoes that count?>>4086998Carpenter x Wolris is headcanon.And what kind of question is that? Meaty, idealistic women are a joy.>>4087180Agreed. Watching the characters shrink into themselves as their wills are violated is no fun. They quickly stop being themselves, so you only feel bad for them.>>4087937Node absolutely wore this expression when she banished Kuti. I was there.
>ending b>winterbell>dungeon in prickett's safe space>senMy conclusion: Sex happens as Grimm sees it, but the characters sometimes transform into demonbeasts to fight, and having low SEN in Wonderland just causes Grimm to perceive them as demonbeasts. SEN is a rule built into Wonderland, much like SIN is a feature of Elysium.Thus, all is well.
>>4088223SEN = ***nes*.Honestly, it's not particularly hard to figure out what it stands for, specially if you take Red's dialogues into account.
Does rare_cats actually know Japanese? Has anybody compared the English/Japanese scripts? I was looking at a few item descriptions and there are some very obvious mistakes in simple sentences that seem more like they stem from him not knowing Japanese rather than from him being ESL.
>>4088146>No, I dropped it around level 50. Boring.Rushing levers and abusing squirrels doesn't take very long, the Chaos Dungeon is non-negotiable lorewise as there's a fuckhuge loredump about 180 floors in. There's also the boss chalices and a library in there, but the loredump is the major one.>>4088213>Carpenter x Wolris is headcanon.I take it you've never worn Wolris's ring to the DSK fight?
>>4088415They're friends, as she said. He disappeared on her one day.
>>4088502That interaction only occurs while wearing her ring into the fight, and it causes him "deep grief" and makes him skip an action. That really doesn't really paint it as purely platonic to me, even if I doubt he ever stuck it in.
>>4088503Did he have any other friends?
>>4088508Yes, actually. Black Rabbit, AKA Prayer Master. He built a grave for him.
>>4088509Then it sounds like he's affected by the sight of a reminder of his only still-living friend.
>>4088146>Mabel said she was pregnantMabel said she had a child. Very different thing. She also says she's dead in the part of the game you skipped. Gods are widely shown to lay eggs anyway, and Node's children are born extremely quickly too. Charlotte is probably the kid.
>>4088512He's just the only other one we're shown he had. The Carpenter's friendship with Black Rabbit necessarily dates him back to the original tea party, I'd be very surprised that with how well known he is in Wonderland, how instrumental he was for its construction, how far around he got in it, and just how long he's been there that he only managed to have two fucking friends for the entire fucking time that he was active, but ultimately it doesn't really change my opinion of the matter here. That's a weird fucking reaction to have for someone that's just a platonic friend.
>>4088213>>LorinaLorina Liddell definitely had a family and all.>>AliceI'm talking about TCO here, and he was fucking Shub for a while. >>Jubjub>Does that count?Someone had to put that kid in her.
>>4088517>LorinaObviously doesn't apply to the Lorina in-game.>AliceYeah, and he/she got Shub pregnant. You can interpret it either as cosmic lesbianism, eldritch intercourse, or puppet futanari, but none of those would lead to "used goods". TCO's problems come down to being ostensibly male (something Grimm doesn't seem to mind), and being the patron saint of screeching autism.>JubjubYeah, me. (Grimm of the past cycles. Unlike Hatta, she's not iterating through daughters. She's the same person every time.)
>>4088515Wolris is a role though, not a real person.
>>4088526We were talking about the role. If you mean the actor, she's Grimm's daughter.
>>4088526>Wolris is a role though, not a real person.She's a "real" person in the sense that there's actually someone there performing the role of Wolris, not just some soulless puppet mindlessly repeating a script. IIRC I think Carpenter was aware of the play structure anyways.
>>4088525>Obviously doesn't apply to the Lorina in-game.>he doesn't know >and he/she got Shub pregnantFirst, no he fucking didn't. Second, TCO is always referred to as he when he's not Alice. Third, why does it matter anyway? Used goods are used goods, unless your argument is it's okay when the used goods in question was male before. >Grimm of the past cyclesAnd somehow she's the only character that happens to?
>>4088528>>4088531Yeah and the Carpenter's friendship with PM needs to predate Wonderland to make sense, meaning the Carpenter's actor was friends with him while whatever he has with Wolris is just a feature of his role.
>>4088525>Yeah, and he/she got Shub pregnant.That's implied to be Yog that fathered our little Mary Sue hellspawn IIRC. I don't recall anything from TCO on that matter, TCO's just the stepfather.>>4088542>Yeah and the Carpenter's friendship with PM needs to predate Wonderland to make senseWonderland is, and has always been, Wonderland insofar as we've seen TCO garden in the series. There was a reconstruction period after TCO got its hands on the Power to Change, but it's still fundamentally the same garden as the one from the original tea party. Carpenter's presence at the original tea party doesn't predate Wonderland in the sense that I think you're implying here.
>>4088539>LorinaYep, I don't know.>First, no he fucking didn't.Forgot. That was a different one. Stepfather.>Second, TCO is always referred to as he when he's not Alice. Okay, well Mabel is apparently a dad, so we're really just three guys jerking it in a noxious ERP session.>Third, why does it matter anyway? Used goods are used goods, unless your argument is it's okay when the used goods in question was male before.TCO being a guy automatically rules out being any kind of "goods", used or not. >And somehow she's the only character that happens to?She's just the only character to get called out for it. Bandersnatch is likely the same, and Jabberwock is always infertile. >>4088543Is the Wonderland of BS1 the same as the Wonderland of BS2?
>>4088543Semantics. It predates the play of Wonderland as it exists in BS2, which is entirely contingent on GG and crumbles without it. Whatever role he played there he did so willingly, and he's clearly one of the actors that persist across cycles, so he'd be aware Wolris is an ever changing actor playing a predetermined script and wouldn't have feelings for her that extend beyond what the script says he has while he's in character.
>>4088549>Is the Wonderland of BS1 the same as the Wonderland of BS2?Yesn't. From what I remember, it's the central chunk of the original tea party ripped out by Mary Sue for use in her own play, the start of BS1 itself is a partial recreation of the end of the tea party. The inhabitants there largely originate from Wonderland proper, and even vaguepost about shit that's also vagueposted in BS2 to seal the deal.
>>4088554You should add Mabel's schizobabble about the topic to the collage for maximum vagueposting.
>>4088552>Semantics.It's a pretty important distinction to make.>It predates the play of Wonderland as it exists in BS2I think what you're looking for here is the breeding program, which TCO did use to bait in other niggermen for her own use, but the setup and events of the early cycles/chronologically post-reconstruction Wonderland is a big (and intentional) hole at best.>Whatever role he played there he did so willinglyI'm not entirely sure I'd agree, at least given the description of his mental state as having started out mad before going sane at some point (presumably post-reconstuction based on his messages and TCO's neglect of Wonderland).>and he's clearly one of the actors that persist across cyclesAt least by the time that we see him in BS2, it's been quite some time since he's gone down to the depths of the ocean and put under near total mind control, our chronological cycle point doesn't disrupt that.>so he'd be aware Wolris is an ever changing actor playing a predetermined script and wouldn't have feelings for her that extend beyond what the script says he has while he's in character.He quite literally begs for god (TCO) to not expend her upon the stage like a puppet, though to your credit he does refer to her as "my friend" in that message. Still, I find it very hard to read his reaction to (You) wearing her ring as purely platonic which is the entire argument I've been making here. Rings given as gifts usually represent a deeper bond to the character in question, you can see this with Prickett's Ring, Leaf's Ring, and Baphomet's Ring in BS1 which is given post-covenant. You could make an argument that this is just a niggerman thing but then the Princesses in BS1 also do the same off the top of my head, and I believe it pops up elsewhere in the series.
>>4088590>Rings given as gifts usually represent a deeper bond to the character in question, you can see this with Prickett's Ring, Leaf's Ring, and Baphomet's Ring in BS1 which is given post-covenant.Wolris hands over the ring immediately, hoping you'll show/deliver it to the Carpenter.
>>4088590>Still, I find it very hard to read his reaction to (You) wearing her ring as purely platonicI'm not the anon you were arguing with about that. What I'm arguing for is that whether the relationship between them is love or friendship, it's a relationship that exists in BS2's Wonderland as part of the script GG manages, and not one that applies to who the Carpenter is outside of the play. It's the same as how Sislice is Grimm's sister but Jubjub is not (yes I know Jubjub is another role too, but you get the point).>Rings given as gifts usually represent a deeper bond to the character in questionYes, it's well known that Lindamea is just very tsundere for Grimm but a waifu deep down unironically.
>>4088599>Wolris hands over the ring immediately, hoping you'll show/deliver it to the Carpenter.Usually, not always, as this would be one of those exceptions for (You) specifically, but the Carpenter has no way of knowing this when he sees you wearing it in battle. Wolris giving you her ring and specifically intending it as a reminder of her feelings towards the Carpenter reinforces this all to me.>>4088604>it's a relationship that exists in BS2's Wonderland as part of the script GG manages, and not one that applies to who the Carpenter is outside of the play.We have no idea who the Carpenter is outside of the play, that's assuming that he isn't just a natural denizen of the Dreamlands in the first place.
>>4086198I don't why people cry so much when Red Hood fucks people/creatures. Grimm does the same thing, that's why they make sense together. If you self insert as Grimm, then Red Hood just makes the most sense as the main heroine...
>>4088696No, Leaf does.
>>4088696that has to be among the most retarded takes I've read here in a long while.
>>4088696Based cuckold
the planets mars venus jupiter and saturn.She talks about a war with the gods, befitting mars.She falls in love with the protagonist, befitting venus.she is affiliated with space and in a ways time, befitting saturn.and she is not very wise, but pretends otherwise. befitting jupiter.all evidence point towards Mabel with little inconsistencies, but if so, then what does she plan for exactly? i won't be able to figure out what she's hinting at, at least not with what I currently know.I have to turn the chessboard around. what would I do in Mabel's shoes? cfБqefБ@e·qvsqvho
but more importantly, does Mabel even wear proper shoes? why would an outer one even need shoes?
>>4088618>We have no idea who the Carpenter is outside of the playBut we do know he existed as far back as the Tea Party, and so it would be weird if he was truly in love with the revolving door of Node's children that happen to be assigned the fat fetish role in Wonderland.
>>4088825She seems to be wearing at least one in the DLC2 cover art.>spoilerTo step on me better.
>>4088894>spoilerYog I wish that were me...
Encountered some curiosities from the mysterious night sky worth noting.had nothing better to do, so I sat outside and watched the sky, terrible light pollution as usual. but enough to vaguely make out some stars.though there was nothing much up there, i did note a row of 4 stars that seemed perfectly distanced between which caught my brief interest.As i continued to simply observe, I think i saw another strange light fly through the sky; nothing like a plane. the light was so faint it might have been incredibly high.beyond that, nothing else. so I decided to return. a couple minutes in my journey back, (please hear me out before calling me schizo) I noticed the aged chewing gum stuck to the pavement down before my very eyes was in the EXACT POSITION as those 4 stars I was observing.taking this as a sign, I quickly returned and tried to Identify these 4 stars, and from what I discovered It was the spine for the Andromeda Constellation, with the rightmost star belonging to the Pegasus constellation.so to sum it up, maymay gave me another clue. now I must figure out if I can tie Andromeda to her puzzle.why is Mabel teasing me with such a foolish game? how unfortunate am I to be yog's idiot pawn.
i have the feeling she's trying to make me look mad on purpose, that tease...
>>4089311As a kid, I remember being able to see the stars (I live in the countryside) but maybe I'm wrong, now I can't see them anymore...
>>4088884>and so it would be weird if he was truly in love with the revolving door of Node's children that happen to be assigned the fat fetish role in Wonderland.Unless you mean Node taking personal ownership of the children, they're not all actually hers. Her children are strongly implied to be both rabbit whores, Haigha the March Hare, and Mary in Lutwidge. We also know that the Carpenter has apparently been missing for years now, that the current structure of the play is absolutely not the same as it originally was, and that the current setup is just Node jerryrigging who and what's left to keep the breeding ongoing for her own usage in the upcoming war. Despite that all, it's not like everything and everyone in Wonderland (or the gardens in general that we've seen) is fake and gay, with only what we personally see being real, these are actual places in-universe with actual history behind them and people inside of them, acting or not.Given our cycle start point being as recent as it is in the absolute chronology of Wonderland and the massive void of information we have about a lot of shit happening chronologically before our current cycle start point, making a statement like that certainly feels off to me given what we're presented about their relationship and what seems to be existing social norms in BS's universe. I'd also say that there's far weirder examples and reasons presented for love in-universe than a fatty and a guy palling around, pigging out, and being sweet on each other for an undetermined but apparently extensive amount of time. The gifting of the ring intended for the Carpenter as an explicit reminder of Wolris's feelings towards him, and Carpenter's reaction to seeing (You) wear it, seemingly briefly breaking the hold the brainwashing has on him, and being paralyzed by deep grief just doesn't paint itself as a purely platonic relationship, which is the entire basis of what I've been saying here.
>>4089365I do somewhat wish more of the story had tied into the earlier loops and the steady collapse of the love story.
>>4089409I honestly expect to see more of it in BS3, even if only in passing.
Carpenter and Wolris mukbang
>>4089365>Node says she goes to Winterbell with her kids>Node is almost the only one left giving birth>we see her kids being born in B End>Wolris is in the Nightmare >Wolris is in WinterbellEven if you want to argue she's someone else's kid (literally whose?), she's canonically one of the roles that gets a new actor each cycle based on that last bit.
>>4089409Grimm was a mindless beast in the early loops. There's not much of a story. It bored Mabel, it pushed Prickett to tears, and it drove a lot of the gods to abandon the place. TCO just MKUltraed him a little too hard to make up for BS1 happening to him.Related to this, I am yet more convinced that Node was in the Tea Party. She ought to have intervened for a reason when it came to saving Mary. She was already in love with Grimm very early on, before Queensland existed at all. I find it unlikely she would have fallen for him so much so early considering the state he was in made Prickett weep. Mabel even speculates she saved Mary just so she could get to fuck Grimm to begin with.
>>4088775Great argument nigger/spic/jeet/gook/whatever third world hell hole you crawled out of
>>4089409I like how the blood messages imply an hyperrape 10 billion sen Grimm managed to get to Grand Guignol at least once.
>>4089479>Node says she goes to Winterbell with her kidsThe closest thing to this that I can ever recall her saying is when she's talking to Kuti in the rape dungeon, and Winterbell isn't mentioned at all there, she refers to it as the End of the World. Given the direct relation to the incoming war and the naming scheme, this location/event is almost certainly the one that Mabel shows you in DLC 2's loredump, and it visually matches and shares a similar naming scheme to The World's Dream that we briefly enter on our way to finishing the normal route endings before getting GG'd.>Node is almost the only one left giving birthAnon, what fucking part of Node directly telling you that you're INBREEDING WITH YOUR OWN CHILDREN did you miss? >Children born of your union would unite with you once more to produce even more children.Yes, Node is still taking part in the breeding, that is what she was originally propositioned by TCO for, along with a bunch of other niggermen that initially came for the offer of breeding with a corpse and getting an army out of it, but almost all of them eventually left once they figured out TCO's goal actually was as per the Chaos Dungeon.>The Outer Ones were cooperative in breeding at first, but with that thing's true purpose exposed, many lost their will and their numbers gradually fell.Node isn't the one birthing out more Bills, that's the fucking Bills. If you want to guess where those Bills came from in the first place, try looking to those other fucking niggermen that were present post-reconstruction and were actively taking part in the breeding, the only major exception to the invite list in regards to breeding that we know of was the Lake God, who was literally too retarded to get the fucking point of breeding and opted for spreading their fucking influence to fucking Uggugg of all fucking characters.
>>4089997>we see her kids being born in B EndYes, we see the rabbits being born. More to the point, and as I'm pretty sure I mentioned before, Node is still overseeing the breeding program still because she's making an army out of it, an army she directly puts to use if you decide to merge with GG.>WolrisYes, Wolris is in both of those locations. That does not particularly change anything.>she's canonically one of the roles that gets a new actor each cycle based on that last bit.That last bit is making a lot of assumptions that I really don't think pass muster here. Read what Node says about the breeding in the previous post, it's ONLY if the actor (Kuti in this case) successfully breeds that she'll finally be let go, that is the law of Wonderland according to Node in that scene. It's not an every cycle thing, it's ONLY if they breed that they're freed from Wonderland and their child takes their place. Despite BS2 being a porn game, you can reasonably go the entire game as we see it without ever hitting B end, let alone fucking your covenants to begin with. That is important because it means that not every cycle is going to result in a breeding session, in fact just purely by the numbers most never will.This runs into another issue I have with that assertion, which is that I don't believe that the actors as we see them in BS2 are actually getting replaced each cycle (because oops time reversal, try again). If they are, then shit like pic related becomes completely nonsensical, as it appears in a completely unrelated (and mutually exclusive) context and doesn't exist ingame prior, but accurately depicts Grimm sending girls to the safest place in Wonderland. This flat out is not a message that someone who gets changed out every fucking cycle for a fresh new actor should be making, as that kind of knowledge would be impossible for them to have.
>>4089998The only strict requirement to trigger B End is that you NEED to fuck Node to access it (and not anyone else specifically), ergo all the kids we see hatching in that scene must be hers by your own logic.
>>4089998>picWhat do you think is more likely:>each Shisha will always write that if given the chance, even if you bred the previous one so this is supposed to be a new one, because Toro is a shit writer and the game has no consistency Or>each Shisha will always write that if given the chance because almost everyone in Wonderland outside of Grimm is aware of the rules of the play, as displayed by the Tweedles' dialogue, Dodo's final scene, and a bunch of other stuff
>>4088408Lmao I was looking at the archive and saw someone mention that Jabberwocky tells you to come to her after killing the one who is pulling the strings and I was confused because I didn't remember her saying anything like that and it turns out it was also just another really obvious mistake. Maybe I should look through the script and see how common stuff like this is
>>4090005>>The only strict requirement to trigger B End is that you NEED to fuck Node to access it (and not anyone else specifically), ergo all the kids we see hatching in that scene must be hers by your own logic.Fucking Node alone isn't enough to trigger B, you need the relevant covenants at max rank otherwise it will not trigger. And again, we are literally given direct confirmation on how those fucking children are born DIRECTLY FROM NODE HERSELF, this shouldn't be up for debate because she knows how this shit works, she directly oversees the entire fucking operation. Yes, Node is still participating in the breeding. No, Node is not the one giving birth to all of the fucking children.
>>4090008>What do you think is more likely:>each Shisha will always write that if given the chance, even if you bred the previous one so this is supposed to be a new one, because Toro is a shit writer and the game has no consistency >Or>each Shisha will always write that if given the chance because almost everyone in Wonderland outside of Grimm is aware of the rules of the play, as displayed by the Tweedles' dialogue, Dodo's final scene, and a bunch of other stuffIt's not a matter of "awareness" of the rules of Wonderland, it's her viscerally describing being sent to the fucking rape dungeon by Grimm to keep her safe, in a context where actually raping her is impossible, and if you do rape her beforehand then she'll never actually write that message because she's in the fucking rape dungeon. It's an outright impossible statement to make if you take the approach of it being a fresh actor each cycle, as it requires something to directly happen to her by Grimm that cannot possibly happen in that cycle that the message appears in.
>>4090012Care to actually enlighten people with the correct translations?
>>4090015Poor ESL Anon doesn't understand what past tense is, I see.
>>4090024It is still what is happening, anon. You are continually committing incest on a level that'd make Tomaru blush. We are never made aware of any major changes to the original breeding setup that Node describes right there beyond the original Outer Ones participating in the breeding eventually fucking off, which doesn't change what Node says there about fucking your own kids and making more kids with them.
>>4090023The first two aren't really a big deal but the mirror should say something like "My beauty... even a mirror would be captivated by it" and the eye drop should say something like "Must never be used on somebody who has lost their sight" (and the effect itself would probably make more sense as darkness instead of blind)I really don't know how he ended up with the third one. He correctly translates "獣から。病から" as "From beasts. From diseases." (where から = from) but for some reason ignores the から in the last part and translates it completely incorrectly. The last part should be something like "And from the foolish church that tried to offer him as a sacrifice."And Jabberwocky is asking him if he intends to defeat the mastermind, not if he has already defeated her.
>>4090031Are you comparing the original BS1 translation to the nip, or the updated one? I remember hearing that the version of BS1 everyone here pirated was later updated, and I think that updated version is the one that's used in the Steam release. If the Steam release is still inaccurate I'd like to know.
>>4090032I checked the steam version and it looks like those are all the same. I'm guessing the translation changes were just cleaning up some of the weird grammar rather than retranslating any of the content using the original script.
Actually they did change this one (although it's still wrong and doesn't make sense in context of the game considering he was never actually sacrificed) and the blind one
>>4089557>im every minority under the sun for not taking a woman with a bodycount greater than her kill countthat turns your retarded take into a double-retarded take.
>>4089327It's no wonder, not only have (((they))) doubled down on light pollution, but have also placed dozens of satellites covering the sky acting as fake stars at every corner of the earth. starlink as one example. I can't even locate the dim light of any of the planets thanks to these sattelites.I'm surprised Francis E. Dec managed to predict this in his schizo rant when he raved about "fake phony stars".>1111
>>4090147Alice, I think your rabbit had a little too many carrots...
>>4089997>but almost all of them eventually left once they figured out TCO's goal actually was as per the Chaos Dungeon.Was his goal awakening Azathoth, or was that just a side-effect of his obsession?>If you want to guess where those Bills came from in the first place, try looking to those other fucking niggermen that were present post-reconstruction and were actively taking part in the breedingIs the Chaos dungeon a requirement here? The only connection I'm confident in is Jubjub/Dodo. The others (Jabberwock/Hatta, Mary-Ann/Shisha, and Lorina-or-TCO/Tweedles), I'm not certain about.
>>4090227Well, Bill/Serpent god is an obvious connection.
>>4090227>Was his goal awakening Azathoth, or was that just a side-effect of his obsession?Side effect, TCO's main goal is trying to understand what human love is, and to that end it sets up an endless love story to try to figure it out. >Is the Chaos dungeon a requirement here?Not particularly, given that a good number of niggermen straight up fucked off and aren't present in the play anymore and with how little information we have about the early stages of the play (I.E. just finding out in DLC 3 that there was originally a 4th Older Sister Alice that left the play on her own, and who's place Lorina seems to be filling in the plot) it's alright to say we just don't know for most of them. What I can say off the top of my head is that Jubjub seems to consider the chick in the egg as her own child based on what I recall being a post-birdening interaction, the Tweedles seem to have originally come to Wonderland proper from the Nursing Graveyard, and that Jabber is almost certainly barren based on what's currently ingame though with what I suspect as her history well before the original tea party that might end up differently. In general, just extrapolating from Node's own rabbit whores and Jubjub's interaction with the chick, I'd assume that most of the children resemble their parents in some way so there's a decent chance that Jubjub/Dodo is a thing but I can't think of anything confirming it. Lorina at least shouldn't be participating in the breeding as far as I'm aware.
>>4091205>the Tweedles seem to have originally come to Wonderland proper from the Nursing GraveyardOther way around, kinda. Dialogue in DLC3 as well as Blackwell's establishes that Florence was responsible for both the Nursing Graveyard and the Mental Ward and cared for the Tweedles all while still in Wonderland, and then at some point the CNG was taken away from Wonderland (possibly as part of the efforts to hide Winterbell from TCO) and she with it, and set onto its own altered time flow. So the CNG was just another location in Wonderland early on.
>>4091205None of the Ending B daughters are fairy tales in their own right. Golden goose shouldn't be a daughter either, especially since we know she's "birthed" by Humpty-Dumpty. There's also Griffy is we're still thinking about JubJub...
>>4092056please stop posting nodes like this, it's triggering my male instincts.
>Grand Guignol mentioned in Revolutionary Girl UtenaHuh. Is it another one of those Western things weirdly popular in Japan?
>>4092761>Is it another one of those Western things weirdly popular in Japan?weirdly popular? did you know Paris syndrome is a predominant thing in japan? so much they have suicide hotlines dedicated for it?put the dodo in the pan, and you'll see why it's not as weird as you might expect.
>>4088408>>4090012The game is absolutely full of stuff like this. These all came from the steam release:When Victoria is summoned to fight Patrasche, she says "私はご主人様の事、食べたりしません" which was translated as "I belong to Master, you can't eat me!" It should be something like "I would never eat my master!" Similary, summoning Red Hood in that fight has her say "ポロは私の事、噛まない" which was translated as "Poro is mine, you can't eat him." It should be something like "Poro doesn't bite me."Elisabeth says "貴方なんか産むんじゃなかった" when speaking to Red Hood which was translated as "I could not have given birth to you." It should be something like "I wish I had never given birth to you." During Victoria's bad ending, "[player name]を襲おうと床を蹴り、飛び掛ってくる" was translated as "Throwing you onto the floor with a kick, she takes flight." It should be something like "She kicks off the floor and lunges at you." In Red's letter she left during her bad end, "このまま奴の思い通りにはさせない" was translated as "Left as it is, I don't know what's gonna happen." It should be something like "I'm not going to let them have their way"When you kill Red Hood in her home, after she says "If there's God who gave me this fate…… I want to slit their throat." she says "けどそれは……私じゃなくてもできますC" which was translated as "But that……is not something I can do, huh." It should be something like "But that......is something someone else can do, right?" After you kill Cinderella while disguised as Izu, she says "成る程……っ 私は、嘘で固められた造物であったと……" which was translated as "I see now…… I was caught in a web of lies……" This should be something like "I see now... I was a creation built upon lies......"This isn't even 5% of the mistakes in the game like this. It doesn't seem like plot-relevant details were affected much for the most part but it makes me a bit worried about BS2 considering it contains orders of magnitudes more plot-relevant text.
https://files.catbox.moe/58wb14.jpeg
Dodo cream
>>4093509STOP TEMPTING MEEE!!!>censoredSTOP TEASING MEEEE!!!
>>4093364Well then make a patch fixing the translation.
>>4082852>>4082869>>4082884Thanks anons, appreciate it!I quite like sketching shit like this.I'M STIIIIIILLLLLLL IN A DREAAAAAAAAMBILL EATERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>4093619now draw grimmu climbing an endless ladder
Any Leaf and/or fairy enjoyers itt who can recommend me games or manga with sexy fairies? I've played like 3-4 games and read one manga with a hot fairy / fairy sex and I really need more. I have a thirst that I desperately need to quench and I haven't seen enough sexy fairies in so long that it is becoming unbearable. I've been trying to look for them but I can't seem to find anything good.
>>4093675Interspecies Reviewers
>>4093675Yea, picrel is a good one.
>>4093681pretty good but very little fairy content overall
Codefags, why do chests in the CD give double loot at Depth 6 and then stop?
>>4093763because mabel likes the number 6
184 floors and I finally have all CD chest items. Now to grind for the last two spells.
This game seems cause mental illness in a certain kind of fat white men.
>>4093868>fateveryone here can do 12 pullups
repurposed the Alice for the 3 outer ones pic im busy drawing.is the little dormouse cute?
>>4093868A woman in her 40s came up to me today and told me that I am looking very muscular and manly
>>4093868Excuse you, I was already mentally ill before the game.
>>4093878Very cute, is this a new drawing?
>>4093887well, It's a VIP drawing i quickly repurposed for today's thread. so technically a new drawing, but you'll see this Alice again when I'm done drawing the drunk and goat.
>>4093888It turned out good, looking forward to the drunk and gote one
>>4093894Alice a QT!
i think tco and her sister are cute
>>4093906>sister"Wife's prior sperm donor", is more like it.
>>4094014all the outer ones are technically siblingswhich makes mary the result of incestalso Alice molested leaf prior to bs2 in her rape basement, aussie dad style.
>>4093572Too much work
Where is Mary's sibling even mentioned beside the Black Goat's CD's description (maybe)?
>>4094016I thought he only tried to kill her, what the hell
>>4094046It's my headcannon. but i like to pretend it's true because it's hot and fuck leaf she deserves to suffer
>>4094064According to my headcanon, sex with Node is perfectly straight.
>>4094078According to my headcannon, all niggermen are made for human men.
I cheesed Mabel in my run so finally actually getting to see her summons is neat, even if LIG at depth 12 looks like it'll be a mite annoying to deal with. Currently about 430 floors deep and only missing one spell.
>>4094419Actually I may as well ask now: are there any obscure items and drops it's possible I'm missing? I think I have everything in the game, but I'll check the wiki to make sure too.
>>4093763>Codefags, why do chests in the CD give double loot at Depth 6 and then stop?Common Event 279 (used by the CD chests that give weapons and equipment) performs a check for depth == 6 twice, meaning the script runs two times on the Depth 6 layers giving you 2 items instead of 1 as a result.
>>4095062>>4093763Well, rather than just "performing a check" there's 2 copies of the Depth 6-related code in that script.If I had to guess, I'd say Toro copy-pasted it once by accident before copy-pasting it again and then modifying it for Depth 7.Very easy to miss given the absolute mess the CD chests/books scripts are (picrel).
playing black souls 1 for the first time and i have somehow bugged the game because every time i try to level myself up at the black rabbit it levels red hood up instead. I have no idea how to fix this.
>>4095064lmaoif he hasnt he should just start using AI for all of his coding to save time
https://files.catbox.moe/17zjvs.jpeg
https://xcancel.com/KaroshiMyriad/status/2099174181787386299
>>4095064When the CD returns in BS3 this should be made a feature past a certain depth.
What was the point of that hidden room in the Slaughterhouse (near the bonfire)?
>>4095310It's where you find the Crestfallen's body. You did do it right and not stop halfway, right?
>>4095314I entered a room, saw nothing, and left.
>>4095331You have to change your sen in the room once you entered it
>>4094419Wasn't as hard as I feared. Bless Florence's Gunblade and its hidden properties.
>>4095333I swear doing that hasn't ever worked. I swear it's never worked before.
>>4095082>devoted beyond reason>constantly available for sex>gives birth to an unending horde of your children>gets flustered at the thought of exchanging ringsThis woman is an enigma.
>the Bunny Suit is also an armour so I need to do DLC3 a third time for true 100%Hmph. Though not as bad as being 600 floors deep in the CD. Treacle Ring is cut content, right?
>>4095429yes, but the child support will be brutal!
>>4095440>even in the most generous waifu fantasy, anon can't imagine a marriage not ending in divorce
>>4095483And the Didn't Finish the Game award goes to: (You)
>>4095484Marriage?
>>4095488You get a ring so I say it counts.
Has anyone tried Elderfield? Is it any good?
How seriously should I take the quotes from the LGN?
>>4095713As in what the characters say in it? Very.
Fucking finally. That took a while. At least I learned that grimoire spawn points are fixed relative to each map, which speeds things up a bit. It'll be a while before I attempt this again.Now to reach the end of DLC3 a third time I suppose.
>>4095779Pumpkin bro...
>>4095781All will make sense in due time.
>>4095789I'm one throwaway run away from GGing GG. If GG has Pumpkin lore, I'm breeding Sho.
>>4078025Why is this game so epsteiny? I think it needs to get banned.
can i trust the oyster? shes smug and rude and i wanna beat her up
>>4096371Those are both options.
>>4096772>lovecraft was scared shitless of this
>>4096874If you take Carter as Lovecraft's self insert then no, he wasn't. He hung around ghouls and night-gaunts and only got scared of the actual scary stuff.
>>4096903fair enough, but I know he wouldn't. Would he?
I've subconsciously yelled "PRICKY!" in public.my mental health has become a little concerning...
Grimm aura farming in front of Gerda.
>>4097996Hunter Grimm should've been the default design and I'll die on this hill
>>4099238Even with all these loose clothes, these rabbit mountains cannot be hidden
I know I'm late to the meme period but eh, why the hell not? I made this shitpost.Had to delete the previous one to change a few things.
>>4099373Based drawfren
>>4099373my libido is not the only thing that's massive...
DRHbros, any news?
>>4093675Well, there's this manga..
>>4099929>DRHbros, any news? See >>4086198
>>4099929I still believe in the 2026 release, he would have informed us if it was going to be delayed otherwise
>>>/v/747904373I know it's unlikely, but I hope she reappears in the next game and has a bigger role somehow. Either way, I'm gonna miss Wonderland. Makes me wonder what the setting for BS3 will be when it comes out in 2045
>>>/v/747904373>which means she just got fucking trapped in thereLorina is the one bitch who actually asked to be there and I have no sympathy for her.
Because it's like the most confusing part of the game, here's something I noticed about the VN section:>the library interaction in Lorde's cell states GG is hosting "dinner show">the first note you can find via Inspect by the staircase at the start states "dinner show" is the performance you're going through So at least it can be inferred it is created and managed by GG, and it is probably deliberate.
>>4099929ain't happening
Drew a new one
>>4100841Beautiful!
>>4100841Pricky is the secret to enlightenment
>>4100841desire for Alice is the root of all suffering. The path to nirvanalice lies in the 8 Alice path.I really need to step up my drawing game if i'm going to make my own. maybe after I'm done with the outer ones drawing I will learn to do a proper artstyle.
>>4100921nodebutt......
>>4100043Thanks for the reply but I'm not really into stuff that involves animals... I'm a human man after all
>>4100923Well you just have to draw a lot neither do I have a proper art style I only emulate the ones based on the references I use while taking bits and pieces that I like
>>4100981well, I'm more referring to changing my style to something that's not as difficult to draw "right".though one can consider my crappy MSpaint drawings to be cheap, getting the pixels right so it doesn't look off is quite tedious and sometimes difficult.I'll need to switch my style to something more manageable with less room for error while still looking more passable than something made in paint.and I seriously doubt anyone would want an RPGmaker game made in my current style.
>>4101081I am not really familiar with your work may I see an example ?
>>4099929How long were the development cycles for bs1 and bs2? Why did the development for this become so long? And the fact that he still plans to make the princess side game before bs3 kills me.
>>4101222here and similar looking art in the thread >>4093878
Ded Red doko?
>>4101081this alice has 6 fingers or a really flexible thumb
my frustration is immeasurable>>4102448that's 1 extra finger for handholding
I just wanna draw silly shit involving fighter aircraft. Have this bros.
>>4102482AliCE combat
Any tips for ashes? I am currently stuck on the onimusha fight.
>>4102486All her damage is lightning damage so you can spec accordingly if you can afford to. I think she's definitely one of if not the boss that most influences what your setup needs to be.Also as a general tip a lot of the earlier waves eat shit to Stun effects, if you have trouble nuking them quickly.
>>4102493Thank you. After some tries I managed to get her.
>>4100425That explains Lorde.
Fascinated by TCO's obsession with substituting itself as the book Alice to the irl Alice, to the point where VN Alice is blonde, her name is censored in the RoR, and remembering her name is what triggers the Nightmare. It's clear that BS Lewis was an actual pedo and in love with her and TCO is trying to supplant her in his mind.
>>4100425After thinking about it for a bit, the "dinner show" building is probably where Prickett's Red Room existed before being moved through time to Queensland.I also took far too long to realize the slave-king/slave-empress live in a rabbit-shaped throne room.
>>4102569>the "dinner show" building That could make sense, yeah.The one within the VN is Alice's irl vacation home btw. Toro referenced actual pictures of it: https://historypoints.org/index.php?page=site-of-alice-liddell-s-holiday-home-west-shore
I want to uncover the mysteries of the night sky
i love redhood
>>4102646Cuck
>>4102666>jewtube comment screencap>>>>>666Double Faggot!
>>4102672Cuck
>>4102646>>4102672Redbros...
>>4101362Oh now I remember you, well the only advice I can give you is change software that feels best to you in my case its Photoshop, doesn't matter how you get them just get them, and to never give up and looks some tutorials or analyze other drawing or media more on how and why its done that way, and patience too this one is almost 3 years old since I did it and look where I am now
>>4102675not a redfag, btw I hope mabel eats you first on oct 26th fagget.
>>4102678heheh, I've been drawing for 4 years... but yes, I intend to finally look some sources and tutorials so i can reprogram myself into drawing properly.
>>4102628
>>4102713uoooooohhhhhh maymayyyyyyyyy
now i wish to eat her out on the 26th......
EMMM posted a new trailer for BS on Bilibilihttps://youtu.be/jyp92R8mOWw
>>4102819Could use some black bars...
I don't remember if Utena is on the meme picture of required media for BS, but if it's somehow not then it should be.
>>4102819Is this what the new Bill and Node pics were for?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YAe16qEC7/https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1249706894007730182https://x.com/toro_yori_ebi/status/2101302120834277764TORO AKA EMMM JUST MADE A BILIBILI ACCOUNT TO UPLOAD A NEW TRAILER (CHINESE) FOR BS2 (yes, the one from 8 years ago originally)HOWEVERWE ARE LESS THAN A WEEK AWAY FROM THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF RED HOOD'S WOODS (25/SEP/16)SPREAD THE WORD SOMETHING BIG IS COMING 2 MORE WEEKSYES I KNOW SOMEONE'S POSTED IT BEFORE BUT I WANT TO ADD MORE LINKS AND CONTEXT
>>4103155Nothing ever happens.
>>4103155DRH on Halloween. Trust the plan.
>>4102482>local drawfag is an Ace Combat fagI kneel
>>4103155>TORO AKA EMMM JUST MADE A BILIBILI ACCOUNT TO UPLOAD A NEW TRAILER (CHINESE) FOR BS2 (yes, the one from 8 years ago originally)But why?The chinese already make up like a quarter of the fan base.
>>4103155>https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YAe16qEC7/Does EMMM make these himself? Why is there so many spoilers, I need my black bars...
>>4103654who's the pussywhipped nigga
>>4103658Hunter Grimm.
>>4103527EMMM doesn't care that much. Before DLC3 came out, I recall he had teased plenty of pics from the vn segment on his social media, whereas if that were up to me, it would have been a complete and total surprise.
>>4103475>why would he create an official advertising channel to directly reach the people that make up a huge slice of his audience
>>4103654that's my haircut in a few months
>>4103903i always wondered if blue trashchive ripped off l*af with that design.
>>4104136Nah, and Toro's designs (mainly BS1's) are far from original.
>>4104486>he doesn't knowIf you really dig deep, Nothing is wholly "original", as everything is a derivative of some primordial source that predates even the oldest of written accountsbut that's a schizo rabbit hole for another time. I'm sleepy.Tell Alice I love her, and Tell Mabel I wish her goodnight.
>>4103475He "recently" bought a Red Hood and a Mabel figure from a chink ebay seller.
i got word that some brazillian made a video of my alice website and now I have an audience of monkeys...what the hell do i do????
>>4105755which alice website?
>>4106063the one that lies... BEYOND THE RABBIT HOLE!
>>4106076You sound like someone who deserves to be swarmed by monkeys, so enjoy yourselves.
>>4106591maymay noooooo don't send me to brazil! I don't want to eat sopa de macaco (uma delicia)!!!
https://files.catbox.moe/wzdii1.jpeg
anyone got that Jub Jub "My speed is superior to yours" comic
>buy food>notice an unusually high amount of goat cheese in stock>check out my wares>66.6Can someone tell the powers that be to stop toying with me? they're trying to make me look crazy. and tell them to stop fucking with the economy while you're at it.
>>4106697you can't post that, It's not mating season.
>>4106798>rabbit>seasonbro?
>>4106799>aisloppa response for an answer so obviousDorothy?
>>4106845You don't get a choice now.
>>4106908>You don't get a choice nowI doubt it, It's not like search engines are hiding all the information from us outside select sources and their definitely not biased ai models as to encourage behavioral sink and information control.Surely they wouldn't hide anything about the rabbits. especially rabbits on the moon.
I can't make sense of it. the Andromeda constellation is where I'm stuck at with my bizarre endeavors. the only thing i can theorize is the possibility of the chained woman being something related to Mary. >Perseus slew the monster with his diamond swordhow original of Mabel. a minecraft reference of all things was the least of my expectations.
DrH soon
>>4107048LMAO sure, bro.
>>4103658Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
>>4103155Two days left, I hope you right anon
>>4095064I tried last years to check what going on and I couldn't fucking debug that shit because the code is almost unreadable (+ indentation is all over the place)VX Ace's scripting is barebone (no array) but why couldn't he just change the RNG range for each depth instead of copypasting everything 7-8 times.
>>4107509>VX Ace's scripting is barebone (no array)Scripts do have access to arrays.Common Events do not.>but why couldn't he just change the RNG range for each depth instead of copypasting everything 7-8 times.Because a random range of numbers would only work for blocks of consecutive item IDs, and many of the item IDs Toro worked with here are not consecutive.For example, they go from Weapon 101 to Weapon 112.Still, they could have written 1 or multiple Ruby scripts to handle this more cleanly and comfortably with arrays to hold the item IDs (picrel) instead of this nasty travesty.https://pastes.io/bT299VTz
>>4107656>linkSovl>picSovlless
500 for Alice!I think I do have a hypothesis for Andromeda!It's the Chained lady, right? and Saturn is associated with Chains. Cronus specifically, given he's the titan that represents Saturn, the very the personification of time bound to its Chains. Almost like Yog in a ways.and It does fit neatly into the chronology I've been making. Saturn is Present in the 4th and 22nd stellar events, with both adding up to the full moon of the 26th. and I've seen some instances where Saturn and the moon are depicted together across media, but I'll verify if it's anything important first.It's all coming together, Isn't it? I might be uncovering something grand. Please tell me I'm not mad!and Chains? Alice? chained lady? Alice in Chains!
>notice the saturn ad in opposition of the sun at the advertisementS at the bottom after i just made my postIT CANT BE A COINCIDENCE, IT JUST CAAANT AIEEEEE MY SEEEEEEN
FOR REFERENCE https://spaceandtelescope.com/saturn-at-opposition-2026/TELL ME IM NOT MAD SOMEONE ASSURE ME IM NOT DREAMING
fuck what do I play now
>>4107656>Common Events do not.Common events is still scripting even if it's very barebone compared to ruby>Because a random range of numbers would only work for blocks of consecutive item IDs, and many of the item IDs Toro worked with here are not consecutive.For example, they go from Weapon 101 to Weapon 112.I talk about that random range (pic related)Just take depth >= 8 code, fix the indentation and just modify that range depending of the depth. It's will still be not a clean code but it's infinitely mode readable and do the same shit outside of the depth 6 bug.
can meryphillia even get pregnant or is it another jabber situation
>>4108668I haven't read the book she's taken from (Throne of Bones IIRC) but as far as Lovecraft's stuff is concerned ghouls are just another species and they reproduce normally.
https://x.com/toro_yori_ebi/status/2103076670655832099Progress report tomorrow.Only 1000000 CGs more.
>>4108746I can't wait. I'm going to laugh so hard at the redfags.
>>4108746>the announcement of the announcement
>redfags are the only ones who will get new content >I'm going to laugh so hard at the redfags???
>>4108755>redfags are the only ones who will get new contentI'm talking about the H-scenes where they'll see Red cumming her brains out while Poro fucks her. She never came like that with Grimm.
>>4108755>redfags are the only ones who will get new contentAnd Mabelfags.And Nodefags.And probably Lindameafags.And Lorefags.
>>4108636Astlibra
>>4108665>I talk about that random range (pic related)Me too.>fix the indentationCan't do that. The spaces are added by the database interface, you can't do anything about them.>just modify that range depending of the depth.That wouldn't do anything besides breaking the whole thing.Each number generated by that rng command corresponds to a weapon or piece of equipment manually assigned by Toro, and they don't use 1 same list of items for all the Depths.For example, you won't find Hans' Machine Gun in the pool for Depth 0, but Toro did add it to the pool for Depth 1/2.They wrote a basic template and then added or removed whatever weapons or pieces of gear based on the Depth.I don't think you can make this cleaner without writing a Ruby script, or maybe using multiple Common Events to delegate work and call them from a main central Common Event based on conditions desu.
>>4108790>And Nodefags.very doubtful
I've decided the following is canon:Hein met the Tweedles at least twice.
>>4108831>does he know>>4108929Why?
>>4108746>>4103155ANON WAS RIGHT HOLY SHIT
>>4108831Red literally said that the White Rabbit had constantly helped her throughout her journey until she reached Wonderland.
>>4108746>DRH tomorrowGoodnight bros, I’m hoping for the best and not a delay announcement
>>4108831He already showed she... Shows up
>>4108746That's less than 6 hours from now btw.
BSbros, our hopes?Our expectations?Our fears?
>>4109193From worst to best:>game is delayed Unlikely because it would be weird to make an announcement in advance and for the anniversary of the game if that was what you had to say.>trailer + release date Most likely option and lines up with him opening the new channel. >the game is finished and outHe could but I really doubt it.
>>4108940Scratch that. The transfer would've happened when Node and Prickett transformed Winterbell, and the Nameless Forest is past Hanover, so that never would've happened.
2 hours.
1 hourRedBros, I’m scare
Soon
drinking dog cum in anticipation
>CG Hell is over
where will we be able to see the news?
>https://x.com/toro_yori_ebi/status/2103318585674183088【DEAD RED HOOD 進捗!】CG...完成済(基本CG600枚以上。差分含めず)シナリオ...完成済羽虫...腹パン済後はゲーム部分っ! 50%は超えました! 尻に火がついて火だるま状態だけどがんばりますっ!ようやく終わりが見えてきました待たせてごめんね(◞‸◟)
It's fucking nothingEmbrace nihility
>>4109360More scissors loli art is always good.
>50%WHAT THE FUCK
>>4109359So he finished the CG’s? awesome
THE FUCK THIS MEAN, IS IT DELAYED OR NOT?
>>4109363Assets and writing are all done though, that's just cooding.
>>4109369isn't that the longest part?
>>4109359>600 CGsit's not just porn right600 porn CGs of red seem fucking insanethat pic counts right?
>>4109373I believe there are fight CGs too.
>>4109373red is going to be raped a lotby all theses beautiful peoples, and dogshttps://fgguides.com/blacksouls/dead-red-hood/#All_Characters_in_DEAD_RED_HOOD
>>4109375ok thats pretty cool, really looking forward to it
>>4109377how will redFags feel when HE make Red cum
>>4109377WTF is that castis 40% of the porn going to be guro and other inane schizoshit?thats what happens when grimm is not around???
>>4109382it based on Arabian night
>>4109377>>4109380>how will redFags feel when HE make Red cum>red is going to be raped a lotLMAO I can't wait. I'm going to make so many screencaps.
>>4109377>and dogsI think she'll fuck Poro willingly.
>>4109380he looks like a kind man
i don't know how the game plays, it's kinda like a spy game right? I imagine lots of the porn will be bad endings, some canon and some optional?
>>4109377https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHNJB1TPcdw
>>4109373>it's not just porn rightHalf of it, if not more, is porn. Redfags need to be ready.
so, it still releasing this year?also i hope my wife get one or two CG, not porn ones, as she only have sex with grimm
>>4109411>Redfags need to be readyThey're all cucks anyway. They'll probably jerk off to these scenes.
>>4109411Virgin runs are a thing
>>4109377Sister Esmeralda is 100% Leaf's twin sister
>>4109423>Red>VirginLMAO GOOD ONE
>tribalfaggingokay but why?red is a whore she was born to be one by mary sue ofcourse she is going to do that anons dont act smug or shockedplus the only baby she wants to have with is grimmy grimmson
>>4109427She's Grimm's and Grimm's only.
>>4109428>tribalfaggingNah, I just hate redfags >>4087015
>>4109429>She's Grimm's and Grimm's only.Anon...
well, i suppose it time he replay theses games
Release the game already sushi please I need this....
>>4109432>Entire game full of sex scenes with Grimm>Poro is fucking deadDeal with it.
>Redfags never played her gameOh no no no
>>4109377I guess Baphomet isn't going for sex appeal when Grimm isn't around
>>4109359i see, maybe 2027 will be the year
That girl isn't clinging onto my Grimm arm...
It's 2020+6 and people still believe in leaf's twin
>>4109428>okay but why?SchizophreniaDude literally answered your question with some 4-year-old screenshot from Twitter and still spams this picture to this day
>>4109457Wait, the reason Red can feel pleasure from sex with Poro is because Leaf's curse is limited to males, human males? Now I wonder if it also works on women or notCan a Red Hood Woods scholar back this up? My first dismissal was the futa girl, but that thing has a penis, so maybe it counted. This could be really fucking funny if true
>>4109377I just want to see her dieOver and over and over and over
>>4109457>>4109465She doesn't look very thrilled.
>>4109457>>4109465In what horrible way will Charlotte die?
>>4109465Red Hood doesn't seem very thrilled with the thought of having sex with another girlAlso she seems younger than Red too, can't believe she became a pedophile, truly Proto-Grimm
>>4109480She'll be impaled by Lindamea's big black spear
>>4109370I fucked with RPGM for a bit when making a short game and drawing assets was by far the longest and most tedious thing about it. Since Toro is pretty experienced with making games I'm confident he could finish it it in about a month.
How long do you bargain the translation will take?
>>4109489Day one translation by dazed.
>"Redfags are going to seethe so much">"I can't wait for the Redfag melties">"Redfags on suicide watch">"Just wait until the Redfags play the game lmao"What causes this level of delirious obsession?
Every girl is better than Red, even Leaf.
>>4108709thats good to know
>>4109527Mary...
>>4109359>CG600That's over 4 times as many as all of BS2 btw.
>>4109527Isn't it ironic that Red is more of a Mary Sue than Leaf herself? Redwhore is literally the creator's pet. >>4109566>All that time and effort was wasted on a whore who fucks dogsGrim
>>4109503She is the biggest secondary magnet along with Bill.
>>4109503people hate red secondaries so they attach their hate to the characteronly non-schizo way to hate her is calling a mary sue (actual one unlike the fairy) because she kinda is but thats it. she helps grimm a lot and well yeah shell probably get giga raped so im not even sure if she qualifies as one
>>4109377EMMM is a man of great taste. Are there any other references?
>But, in the middle of the night, he recalled a thing which he had left forgotten at the palace. Returning and entering, he found his wife stretched on her bed and being embraced by a black slave. At this sight, the world darkened before his face and he said within his soul: ‘If such a thing has come to pass when I have hardly left the city, what would the conduct of this wanton be if I were absent for long at my brother’s house?’ So he drew his sword and with one stroke killed them upon the carpets of the bed. Then he returned and, ordering his camp to move forward, journeyed through the night till he came to his brother’s city.>Now there were in the King’s palace certain windows that looked on to the garden, and, as King Shahzamān leaned there and looked out, the door of the palace opened and twenty women slaves with twenty men slaves came from it; and the wife of the King, his brother, was among them and walked there in all her bright beauty. When they came to the pool of a fountain they all undressed and mingled one with another. Suddenly, on the King’s wife crying: ‘O Masud! Yā Masud!’, a gigantic negro ran towards her, embraced her, and, turning her upon her back, enjoyed her. At this signal, all the other men slaves did the same with the women and they continued thus a long while, not ceasing their kisses and embraces and goings in and the like until the approach of dawn.>At this sight the King’s brother said within himself: ‘By Alāh, mine is even a lighter misfortune than his.’ So he let his grief and discontent slip from him, saying to himself: ‘Truly, this is more terrible than all which happened to me.’ And from that moment he began to drink again and to eat without pause.1001 nights sure is an experience. And this is just the first chapter...
>>4109645>When the Jinnī had looked long at the beauty of the girl, he said to her: ‘O Queen of every silky thing! O you whom I ravished away upon your bridal night! I would sleep a little.’ And the Jinnī, resting his head upon the knees of the young girl, went to sleep.>Then the child raised her head and saw the two kings hidden in the tree-top. [...] Then she said: ‘Why do I see you working your eyes in this way? If you do not come forward and do it to me at once, I will wake the Ifrīt. So, in their fear of the Jinnī, they both did to her as she had commanded, and when they were well wearied, she said: ‘You are indeed experienced riders!’ Then, drawing from her pocket a little bag, she took from it a necklace of five hundred and seventy seal-rings, saying: ‘Know you what these are?’ And they answered: ‘We do not know.’ Then she said: ‘The givers of these seal-rings have all coupled with me on the unwitting horns of this Ifrīt. So now, O brothers, give me yours!’ Then they gave her their seal-Drings, taking them off their hands. Whereon she said: ‘Know that this Ifrīt carried me off on the night of my marriage, prisoned me in a coffer and placed that coffer in a box and fastened about the box seven chains, yes, and then laid me at the bottom of the moaning sea that wars and dashes with its waves. But he did not know that whenever any one of us women desires a thing, nothing can prevent her from it.>At these words the brothers marvelled even to the limits of marvelling and said to each other: ‘If this be a Jinnī and in spite of his power much more terrible things have happened to him than to us, it is an adventure which ought to console us!’
>After almost 6 full years in the oven (https://ch.dlsite.com/matome/91660) DRH is just now over 50% completeIt's not coming out this year, is it?
>>4109651>reading comprehensionIt's closer to like 80% done or more.
>>4109645What the fuck am I reading lmao>the plot is cuckolding! yeah!
>>4109722It's the setup for why the sultan keeps killing women after just 1 night with them, causing Scheherazade to step in.I didn't expect a world classic often told to children to be this explicit desu. I can see why EMMM chose to include it in DRH.
>>4109380https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhyK8yCcjBU
>>4109725It sounds super extremely exaggerated, which is funny, many times we complain about authors exaggerating with some characters' motives or flashbacks but it seems like it's something humanity has done since forever
>>4109788Strange, that in a work of amusement, this severe fidelity to real life should be exacted by any one, who, by taking up such a work, sufficiently shows that he is not unwilling to drop real life, and turn, for a time, to something different. Yes, it is, indeed, strange that any one should clamor for the thing he is weary of; that any one, who, for any cause, finds real life dull, should yet demand of him who is to divert his attention from it, that he should be true to that dullness.There is another class, and with this class we side, who sit down to a work of amusement tolerantly as they sit at a play, and with much the same expectations and feelings. They look that fancy shall evoke scenes different from those of the same old crowd round the custom-house counter, and same old dishes on the boardinghouse table, with characters unlike those of the same old acquaintances they meet in the same old way every day in the same old street. And as, in real life, the proprieties will not allow people to act out themselves with that unreserve permitted to the stage; so, in books of fiction, they look not only for more entertainment, but, at bottom, even for more reality, than real life itself can show. Thus, though they want novelty, they want nature, too; but nature unfettered, exhilarated, in effect transformed. In this way of thinking, the people in a fiction, like the people in a play, must dress as nobody exactly dresses, talk as nobody exactly talks, act as nobody exactly acts. It is with fiction as with religion: it should present another world, and yet one to which we feel the tie.If, then, something is to be pardoned to well-meant endeavor, surely a little is to be allowed to that writer who, in all his scenes, does but seek to minister to what, as he understands it, is the implied wish of the more indulgent lovers of entertainment, before whom harlequin can never appear in a coat too parti-colored, or cut capers too fantastic.
>>4109794you lost me at "Strange,"
>>4109797TL;DR: Fun things are fun.
>>4109722The reason East African slaves in Arabia were castrated.>>4109788"My wife had sex with a slave while I was gone, and while at my brother's house, I saw 40 slaves having an orgy."Seems believable.>>4109797Realism defeats the point of escapism.
>>4109788If anything, our obsession with 'realism' is a new phenomenon that came to us with the 19th century novel. Do you think Prometheus Bound is realistic? Or Hamlet? Sure, some authors' characters felt more realistic than others (Euripides and Aeschylus feel very different), but this was not by any means the expectation; you had chronicles and memoirs for that. Medieval romances had people slaying giants, going to the moon, holding back entire armies, and nobody had any problem with that. Except Cervantes, but even that was half in jest, it's clear he was an avid reader of those and DQ was meant to be amusing.
>ivara's prime details nerf her ass>wisp's prime details nerf her ass>mirage's prime details nerf her asswhy do they keep doing this
>>4109527>even LeafThat's because Leaf is better than every girl.
>>4109837Escapism is for cucks.
>>4109874Wrong thread?
>>4109794Saved
>>4110249No need. Chapter XXXIII: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/21816/pg21816-images.html
How many yuri scenes do you think Red will have? There's a fuckton of girls in the cast this time around.
I think DRH may be closest to the VN section in terms of structure (if not strictly gameplay). Technically not too long, but very dense and very very rich with different possible variations and alternatives. The way Toro has talked about it before mostly makes it sound akin to an immersive sim type of game, like your Thief (we don't talk about 4) or Dishonored or Dayof Sex.
>>4109566That's 0 times as many as all of BS2 btw because that game actually exists
My wife in the center
>>4102483>>4103415Thanks bros, I'll finish it before October 2 comes.
Riding the endless skyWith the sunrise caught on his wingsNo one touches him in the airHe commands every roaring stormThere's freedom in hearts that dreamAnd a trust that's bestowed in himHe takes care of the ones that callLike a wind flowing far and wideFar and wideCerte, per caelum volaEsto liber, oh, esto liberVota relicta in posterum seritoFi ventusCerte, aethera domaUbique, oh, ubiqueVota relicta in posterum seritoCerte, per caelum volaEsto liber, oh, esto liberVota relicta in posterum seritoFi ventusCerte, aethera domaUbique, oh, ubiqueVota relicta in posterum serito
I drew
>>4111215Based drawfren
>>4111215Me on the right
>There's a fun one called something like "The Annotated Alice" by Martin Gardner (who did a mathematical / puzzle column in Scientific American for a long time). He discusses everything with insane autistic footnotes. See pic attached for an example.Sharing it here with all you Aliceheads.
>>4111779Way ahead of you: https://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/annotated-alice.pdf
>50%How long did that faggot spend scratching his ass instead of finishing the game? I can't even imagine how long it'll take him to release BS3
>>41121772060
>>4112177600 CG plus all the other sprites is a solid work for the time he took. It's more a problem of feature creep than pace of work. Toro either needs someone to rein him in or someone to handle the coding.
>>4112263>play DRH>interact with random ass box in the city>has a nigger inside kidnapping Red and a CG sex scene>stand still for 500 frames in a specific post>sex scene CG triggers
>>4112266Unironically kino (however a lot of CGs aren't sex).
>>4112483I dont particularly give a shit about sexing Red so I don't mind and would rather see her behead someone or something
>>4112177if you read that post and thought it meant drh is 50% done you are mentally impaired
>>4112653Many such cases.
Think RHW will be bundled with DRH on Steam?
>>4112944Dual cultivation with this jade beauty rabbit librarian.
>>4112978I do not want xianxia grim. He's already too powerful, any stronger and he might break out of the game to rape the player.
>>4112870>SteamYou think steam is gonna willingly host DRH with the current payment processor war on any porn that isn't gay furshit?
>>4113136Steam is hosting BS1 and BS2 right now.
>>4113136Pretty sure the problem sites are patreon and itchio, not steam.
>>4113135I can take him.
>>4113136>>4113148Dorothy and Bill are saving this franchise.
>>4113136>You think steam is gonna willingly host DRHNTA, but...https://store.steampowered.com/app/3755860/BLACK_SOULS/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3855540/BLACK_SOULS_II/Of course, it'll likely be handled in the same way where you'll get a barebones folder with a game that boots up but is missing the vast majority of its content and a patch obtained outside of Steam that introduces the rest of the data.
EMMM didn't mention any delays, he actually said>Finally, the end is in sightBut the official translation/Steam release will probably take about a year, so yeah
>>4113207>I can take him.In a fight... right?
>>4113230The real trans rep is Mabel.
>>4113651Mabel is LARPING and (s)he knows it. TCO has a better claim.
>>4113651They're spaceniggers anon, "trans" doesn't really apply because their genders are incomprehensible to us.
>>4113785TCO is just mindraped. Prickett, on the other hand...
>>4113807>TCODid it to himself for his Alice RP.>PrickettI have no clue with this one. Wasn't she created to be the first "Alice" vessel, back in Pre-MS Wonderland?
>>4113821You don't stop being a cripple just because you're the one who broke your own legs.
>>4113852Then that just leaves Node.
Can anyone sell me on this game?Is it actually fappable or is it just using the sex and rape as a cheap plot device to shock teenagers into thinking its deep?Is the gameplay any good or is it standard rpgmaker slop?Is the writing any good or is it just covered in dark souls easter eggs and references to make (You) feel smart for finding it, despite them being littered everywhere?Why is the art so bad but the character designs decent?Have any of you played Night of Revenge and can compare the two at all?
>>4114235>Is it actually fappable or is it just using the sex and rape as a cheap plot device to shock teenagers into thinking its deep?Yes and Yes>Is the gameplay any good or is it standard rpgmaker slop?Both>Is the writing any good or is it just covered in dark souls easter eggs and references to make (You) feel smart for finding it, despite them being littered everywhere?DittoAnon, Black Souls is one of those rare edgy camp games that knows how and when to take things seriously and when to make fun of itself. It's not going to either extremes of taking itself too seriously nor undercutting it's own emotional moments with unnecessary humor like modern marvel.
>>4114235>Is it actually fappable or is it just using the sex and rape as a cheap plot device to shock teenagers into thinking its deep?Both. Pic rel>Is the gameplay any good or is it standard rpgmaker slop?BS1 sucks, but BS2 is actually enjoyable. Think Bravely Default's multi-action economy, but with only a single protagonist, plus a weapon-swapping mechanic. Your gear matters more than your level, so there's a huge emphasis put on strategy - you can eat shit even at max level, but the game is beatable SL1.Also, the exploration is very nonlinear and interconnected, you're free to go wherever the fuck you want, even if it's a high level area. >Is the writing any good or is it just covered in dark souls easter eggs and references to make (You) feel smart for finding it, despite them being littered everywhere?You'll have to come to the conclusion on your own; all I can tell you is that there's a reason why the story is so littered with references. I think BS2 is very well written, but it also expects (you) to put it together in your head, it doesn't handhold you. Picture 13 Sentinels - heavily nonlinear, multiple perspectives etc. - but without the final few chapters that spoonfeed you what's going on in the story. BS1 only really takes off when you get ending C+D, the rest of the story is generic "fairy tales but edgy + dark souls references". >Why is the art so bad but the character designs decent?The dev got better at drawing over time, BS2 looks much better than BS1.
>need to make a poptracker for the game>Extract BSII map with an hacky ruby script>check infinite food maps>notice that most IF map are based on organs>the pregnant cake area is a fucking womb>>4108806After actually re-checking it I refuse to believe that this event code isn't automatically generated from a spreadsheet.There is no reason why an item like the ring of fragile life suddenly jump from item id ~50 to ~80 and then ~170 for late depths
>>4114235Just play the games blind.>>4114266lmao da boz is in da peen-peen
>>4114266That was painfully obvious when you were playing the game though.
>>4113802Still change. Embracing human genders from the initial state of inhuman gender is transgendered.
>>4114600Not if the inhuman gender included all human genders simultaiously as well as many non-human genders.It's lovecraft shit anon, your mental constructs of how the universe works don't apply. If you think they apply, then the spacenigger will defy them even harder to prove you wrong.
Bros, if you woke up one day and were laying on some grass, and looked around, spotted some familiar fairies, and realized that you had spawned in the Holy Forest, what would you do?
>>4114906We didn't spawn in the cage?Meaning we didn't incarnate as Grimm?What exactly are you asking for anon? Your options are "Die Horribly" or "Put on a dress so you can be raped first, and then Die Horribly"(second option unavailable to most 4channers). You don't even have long enough to do anything else, because the lifespan of any given "Not Grimm" averages around 5 seconds.
>>4114906A self-insert fanfiction with this premise has the potential to be really interesting since so much of the series hinges on you being an amnesiac Grimm.You could build the premise out of PM not inviting MS to wonderland and TCO giving her a decoy (You).
>>4114995The clock shows when its breeding time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ5GQpRqCg8Alice Darkest Dungeon H-game
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=14987666&tags=mizumizuni+
>>4116155>H-gameAnon, the H-game version isn't even out yet. That's the sfw release.
>My soul was torn out by these women and this is how low I fell.This refers to Mabel and Node, right? This line doesn't make sense otherwise.
https://x.com/toro_yori_ebi/status/2105945891857113558
>>4117205What is this dialogue? Who said that?
>>4117353Holy
>>4117353I want a leaf punching bag and Hatta's hat.
>>4117358Prickett's date talk.
>>4117435Maybe she's talking about Leaf?
>>4117205This line is about Jabberwock, Jubjub and Bandersatch, because now they are the ones playing the role of Alice instead of her. I don't understand how do you think it made sense with Mabel and Node.
>>4117353How do pop up stores work? Is it an actual store selling black souls merch that's gonna be open for a month or some collaboration?
>>4117512I don't see a place in the monologue where Leaf could possibly fit.>>4117516Mabel and Node are recorded conspiring against the TCO in the Winterbell bears. If they're the ones being discussed, then the reason the TCO has gone insane is because its soul (now Prickett) was ripped out back in the earlier cycles, and Node had to be talked back into allowing the project to end.If it were the guest actors, the one speaking would be Alice Hargreaves, right? I can't square that with the maze line:>When you and Alice will finally be connected, what will happen to me? The answer is obvious. An eternity of solitude awaits me. I'd rather play a villain to be defeated than take this.Alice isn't an eternal entity. It's easier to explain Prickett's words if she's TCO's soul, removed by the two people who'd actually want the play to end. (Unnamed Ending 2 (Grand Guignol))
>>4117516>>4117530Also, if it wasn't her, then Node really has nothing to apologize for in the Little Girl's Nightmare.
>The TCO>The The Crawling One>Tfw when
>>4117651I even reminded myself not to do that before posting...
So Black Souls 2 has two fan translations. Does the Steam version use the second fan translation, or did they make a new official translation?
>>4117530>>4117533>Mabel and Node are recorded conspiring against the TCOYeah, together with Prickett>then the reason the TCO has gone insaneLeaf stealing Carroll is what drove TCO to its current state>its soul (now Prickett) was ripped outShe's not literally talking about her soul, if they did that she would be fucking dead. By soul she means the essence of her being, her raison d'être. TCO split itself so that one part of it (Prickett) could play the role of Alice, now because of her failure she was denied her purpose and degraded to the role of a side character.>If it were the guest actors, the one speaking would be Alice Hargreaves, right?I don't get what you mean, you don't need someone's soul to pretend to be them.>When you and Alice will finally be connected, what will happen to me? The answer is obvious. An eternity of solitude awaits me. I'd rather play a villain to be defeated than take this.She was afraid that eventaully TCO would develop a better understanding of love than running in circles forever. Basically what would happen in ending G if Red wasn't there. Prickett stays separate while TCO keeps fucking Grimm for the rest of time. To prevent it, she's willing to conspire against TCO to either crash the play or die trying.>removed by the two people who'd actually want the play to endThe one who actually wants the play to end (again, but this time out of her own volition) the most is Prickett. Mabel just needs Grimm to be out of there and Node, while she eventually became as selfless as Prickett, she initially didn't have an issue with the play and wasn't in hurry to enact the plan. What she really wanted was to be together with Grimm. >>4117533>Node really has nothing to apologize for in the Little Girl's NightmareShe is clearly sorry for not telling you the truth sooner, but she doesn't exactly apologize there.
>>4117760It has an MTL and Rare Cats' official translation, I didn't hear about any fan translations unless you're talking about translations to other languages. And yeah they retranslated it for the Steam version.
>>4117780Oh, okay. Thanks.
>>4117772>Leaf stealing Carroll is what drove TCO to its current stateThen how did he get everyone together for the breeding project?>TCO split itself so that one part of it (Prickett) could play the role of Alice, now because of her failure she was denied her purpose and degraded to the role of a side character.What failure? As TCO says, the intention was for Alice never to actually consummate her love with Grimm. She'd also bear no responsibility for anything that happened.>I don't get what you mean, you don't need someone's soul to pretend to be them.I meant Prickett's identity.>The one who actually wants the play to end (again, but this time out of her own volition) the most is Prickett. Mabel just needs Grimm to be out of there and Node, while she eventually became as selfless as Prickett, she initially didn't have an issue with the play and wasn't in hurry to enact the plan. What she really wanted was to be together with Grimm.Okay, so only Prickett wanted the play to end. Mabel just wanted to take the lead actor out of the show, Node just wanted to replace the director as the lead heroine, and Germany just wanted a little bit of living room.Anyway, what's the plot supposed to be in this case? Loop 5 or so, Node and Mabel just figure TCO is going to lose its mind, so they sit in Queensland with Prickett, waiting for Grimm to kill Alice, come back, take a door to a separate graveyard, then destroy the stage and leave? And the "these women" who ripped out "my" soul are just the nightmares? The only one to actually try to jack the performance was Jabberwock. TCO eliminates her the second she makes the attempt. Your interpretation is hard to see in the natural language of the text.Separately, shouldn't Cheshire have intervened in End G? It's her entire job.
>>4117878>Then how did he get everyone together for the breeding project?The other anon is obsessed with the idea that it's in no way possible GG is specifically the thing that drives TCO insane. But whether it is or it's just playing the role independently of that, TCO was fairly sane at the start and only went insane over the cycles of BS2's Wonderland. He speaks perfectly fine in End D of BS1. Also TCO and Prickett were still kind of one being at the end of BS1, since Prickett is explicitly the part of TCO that fought Mary and created GG together with Node.>what's the plot supposed to be in this case?From the Winterbell bears we see that a few cycles in Winterbell itself is still part of Wonderland, Mabel is getting bored, and Prickett almost kills herself before Node stops her. Once Node actually decides she wants Grimm out more than she wants to keep fucking him the plan they settle on is G End; giving Grimm back some of his sanity (clearly something happens before the first cycle of the game that makes him wake up), pull in Red and other ways to interfere with the play (Dinah is technically the second Cheshire for example), and hope that Grimm regains enough of his memories and sanity to break free of the illusion and confront TCO, at which point both Node and Prickett assist in the fight in their own ways. Presumably Winterbell is removed from Wonderland so TCO can no longer directly alter the play. G End doesn't work because it turns out GG has become sapient in the meantime, so they decide you have to go to Winterbell and end it all.>shouldn't Cheshire have intervened in End G?The Little Girl's Nightmare has the actor-daughters before they've taken on their roles, so it may exist in a state where Dinah can't exist as Cheshire yet. Alternatively Node thought you'd be fine with just Red and Poro. Alternatively Dinah is lazy. Alternatively she knows it doesn't matter, considering her post-G End dialogue.
>>4117760>Does the Steam version use the second fan translation, or did they make a new official translation?The Steam version uses a polished version of Rare_Cats' translation, which is the one that's sold in DLSite.
>Just realized EOPs will need to wait for Dead Red Hood's translation
>>4117997Is it time?
>>4117892>The other anon is obsessed with the idea that it's in no way possible GG is specifically the thing that drives TCO insane.I'm NTA, and I don't follow the thread closely anymore, so maybe I'm missing some context. But why would it be GG driving TCO insane? Mabel is a reliable narrator who mentions sinking into the role, and it's also a big driving factor for the Outer Ones leaving the play.There's also the section where Node speaks to Leaf, and they talk about Grimm being a bad influence. So even if sinking into the role doesn't make you insane, the Nightmares seem fairly sane but stuck in their role, it's probably to do with Grimm and love. With the whole Outer Ones can't understand emotions stuff, my understanding is that TCO is going nuts from looking for love in the Alice role and not finding it; especially if we consider the fact that this mirrors the Lewis and Alice narrative.
>design love story scenario where you play as the lead heroine>aggressively cuck yourself out of the actual romance to get an unending army>lose your shit and drive off all of your friendsSasuga, Nyarly.
>>4117878 >Then how did he get everyone together for the breeding project?I see we had slightly different things in mind. First of all TCO has always been autistic by Niggerman standards. Losing Carroll is what made TCO think that the perpetual chase after the one you love is love in its purest form, while beforehand during the Tea Party she was clearly content with Carroll and Alice mingling with each other while she only observed. Her becoming even more autistic later is simply the result of actor psychosis that we see Great Ones go through when they pretend to be human for too long.>What failure?Letting Carroll be taken>Loop 5 or soI think it took more loops than that>Node and Mabel just figure TCO is going to lose its mindFrom the teddy bears I think Prickett first went asking for Node's help in freeing Grimm and returning him to reality, but Node didn't agree until she realised her feelings later. I think all 3 of them and especially Mabel knew that going to Winterbell would be necessary, but ending G was just to make sure of that, at least that's what I think the answer is lorewise, from game design perspective the player just needed to see that ending before the DLC.>And the "these women" who ripped out "my" soul are just the nightmares?She's probably talking about TCO here as well. I should've mentioned it before.>The only one to actually try to jack the performance was JabberwockAnd? What does that have to do with anything.>Your interpretation is hard to see in the natural language of the text.And yours doesn't make logical sense.>shouldn't Cheshire have intervened in End G? It's her entire job.Cheshire works for Node.
>>4117892>Also TCO and Prickett were still kind of one being at the end of BS1, since Prickett is explicitly the part of TCO that fought Mary and created GG together with Node.So Prickett/Baphomet is a real ship?
>>4117892>(Dinah is technically the second Cheshire for example)Under the assumption that someone had to play the of Cheshire before Dinah or there something in the game pointing towards that? I mean Node was already with TCO at the time of ending D of BS1, she was the one who saved Mary's life, she could have already had Dinah's soul by then.
>>4118243>Her becoming even more autistic later is simply the result of actor psychosis that we see Great Ones go through when they pretend to be human for too long.Then TCO was still (relatively) sane during the creation of Grand Guignol.>Letting Carroll be takenThat's considered to be Alice's fault?>From the teddy bears I think Prickett first went asking for Node's help in freeing Grimm and returning him to reality, but Node didn't agree until she realised her feelings later. I think all 3 of them and especially Mabel knew that going to Winterbell would be necessary, but ending G was just to make sure of that, at least that's what I think the answer is lorewise, from game design perspective the player just needed to see that ending before the DLC.Alright, but that means the three eldritch heroines did absolutely nothing the entire time, making all of that moot.>She's probably talking about TCO here as well. I should've mentioned it before.I think there's a strong reason to distinguish between "these women" (literally anyone else) causing her fall and her own creator banishing her from her role and identity. That's a rough fit.>And? What does that have to do with anything.Your interpretation leaves every single background actor as a series of do-nothing non-entities with no agency or real importance. I'm using the comparison with Jabberwock to show how unimportant these characters all are.>And yours doesn't make logical sense.TCO gets shunted from his body by Mabel and Node, realizes love means setting Grimm free, and works with them to end the show. Node creates a win/win scenario around the final boss fight and then uses GG to kill Mabel.>CheshireYeah, that's my point. She's useless.
>>4118249>That's considered to be Alice's fault?Yes, it was her wish that let Mary invade Wonderland. >but that means the three eldritch heroines did absolutely nothing the entire timePrickett started this entire conspiracy, created a safe space out of TCO's sight where the three could meet and risked breaking character to tell you about the past. And aren't you fucking forgetting she was the one who pulled Grimm's ass out when he gave up? Node brought Red to Wonderland, strenghtened Grimm's soul, possibly helped with regaining his memories (If we assume naming our character happens when she wasn't in on the plan yet) and stalled TCO. Mabel told Grimm what his goal is and promised to help in the future when his vessel shatters, opened the way to the past and saved us in the VN section, if that mysterious girl was her. It feels like you're the type of person who'd unironically ask why didn't Gandalf just fly on eagles to Mordor. This was a conspiracy, if they tried doing things more directly and TCO found out it would be fucking over.>these women" (literally anyone else) causing her fallAlright, how did Mabel and Node cause Prickett's fall and what that fall even was? Earlier you said you think Prickett was TCO's soul, ignoring how the larger body can function without a soul, they separated way before the cycles even began, it was just prior to the Tea Party, in addition Mary turned her into a wet stain on the library floor, if she was the soul TCO would be dead. Secondly, Mabel tells us that she wants to add TCO's soul to her collection in Shatranj, well why didn't she do just that when she supposedly already ripped it out? How did they even do that in the first place and if they did how did Node keep her job after?
>>4118249>Your interpretation leaves every single background actor as a series of do-nothing non-entitiesHow? Where did that come from when we only talked about Prickett, Node, Mabel and now Jabberwock? And what do you think they were even doing besides playing their roles? Most of them were Grimm's daughters who actually did not have agency and really didn't do much of actual importance.>Yeah, that's my point. She's uselessDon't go crying for her when the moon rapes you.
Flying high, knowing it will surely help someoneMoving on, to survive the chaos in this worldI believe, a single light is seen from miles awayBut my heart knows, somewhere is a free skySome people may speak down to youSome people accuse you of being a liarBut if there is nothing we can believeCould it be the wings to fly are my imagination?So we will rise abovein a world where evil is replaced by loveand we won’t regret itAnd even if we lose this fightWe will emerge into the light againRising up againAnd when we rise aboveno beginning and never endsInfinite blue skyFrom the dark into the lightAgainst the odds we’ll do what's right againWe have the wings to riseNow we know, In a moment that we can’t denyWe can show, what we need to help us touch the skyI believe, the light of hope out there will show the wayWe’ve always knownthat light burns for freedomSome people deceive us with liesDivide us, deride us, and feed our confusionBut all we believe in is on the lineThere’s a light that leads us all into the futureSo we will rise aboveit may feel like we will loseBut after fighting, we won’t regret itVoices joined in unitystanding for the truth we will defendUntil the endAnd when we rise aboveno beginning and never endsInfinite blue skyFrom the dark into the lightAgainst the odds we’ll do what's right againWe have the wings to rise
>>4118072Mabel also says the regular occurrence is Great Ones breaking out of their roles, not sinking into them.
>>4118245In the books the Cheshire Cat belongs to the Duchess. In game you find a painting showing Margaret, Pumpkin, and a different looking Cheshire. If you talk to Margaret while wearing Cheshire's ring, she will recognise the smell, but then note that her cat's was actually different. So at some point there was a different Cheshire living there with her. I also believe Dinah's role as the one who tears Alice from Grimm came later as part of Node's attempts to wake Grimm up.
>>4118360>Yes, it was her wish that let Mary invade WonderlandNo it fucking wasn't. Watch the Tea Party movie again. Prayer Master is the one who wished for her.
>>4118689>Mabel also says the regular occurrence is Great Ones breaking out of their rolesNo, she doesn't? Are you thinking of the stairway dialogue where she talks about it being hard for Great Ones to hold themselves in human skin? Because every time she talks about the 'role', she's very implicit in her meaning and what it does. We see this through TCO losing his mind and only appearing as Alice and never his true form, we see this through the Nightmares during ending H.
>>4118360>Yes, it was her wish that let Mary invade Wonderland.Every character in the game 100% blames the Prayer Master for that one. It's why he's named that.>Prickett started this entire conspiracy, created a safe space out of TCO's sight where the three could meet and risked breaking character to tell you about the past. And aren't you fucking forgetting she was the one who pulled Grimm's ass out when he gave up? Node brought Red to Wonderland, strenghtened Grimm's soul, possibly helped with regaining his memories (If we assume naming our character happens when she wasn't in on the plan yet) and stalled TCO. Mabel told Grimm what his goal is and promised to help in the future when his vessel shatters, opened the way to the past and saved us in the VN section, if that mysterious girl was her. 65+ cycles and the conspiracy amounts to, "Mabel opening a door to patched-out content and the other two holding TCO off if Grimm stumbles on the way out of Wonderland.">It feels like you're the type of person who'd unironically ask why didn't Gandalf just fly on eagles to Mordor. This was a conspiracy, if they tried doing things more directly and TCO found out it would be fucking over.Ignoring the fact that TCO finds you in the VN, I think two Great Ones (his nemesis and the oldest one of all) disappearing, handing off a garden to his appendage, and then whisking Grimm off to the beta levels, would be a rather blatant move. How does TCO not freak out when Grimm keeps disappearing from Wonderland every other moment?>Secondly, Mabel tells us that she wants to add TCO's soul to her collection in Shatranj, well why didn't she do just that when she supposedly already ripped it out?Side objective complete. Main objective: Get Grimm.cont'd
>>4118360>>4118741>ignoring how the larger body can function without a soul, they separated way before the cycles even began, it was just prior to the Tea Party, in addition Mary turned her into a wet stain on the library floor, if she was the soul TCO would be dead.The Alice you meet at the start and in End D of BS1 is TCO-Prickett in the "role" of Alice. That's why Leaf freaks out. (Node notes that "The Crawling One" would've killed her, not Prickett/Alice.) The First-generation Red Queen (whoever that is) worked with Node to make Grand Guignol, then later left the play. That left a vacancy to be filled, so Mabel robbed TCO of its soul and jammed it into Prickett, inadvertently saving it from its own maddened condition by forcing it away from its prior role.>How did they even do that in the first place and if they did how did Node keep her job after?One of the participants in this conspiracy is someone who made it her stated goal to take TCO's soul home. I wouldn't be surprised if she managed to airgap it. Everything after was just keeping the lumbering, infatuated body from seeing the obvious.>>4118361>How? Where did that come from when we only talked about Prickett, Node, Mabel and now Jabberwock? And what do you think they were even doing besides playing their roles?Jabberwock was looking for a chance to lock Grimm in a cage. Her plan just failed because she doesn't know how to hide things from TCO. Everything after was her just lashing out to prevent him from leaving entirely.>Don't go crying for her when the moon rapes you.She doesn't help us then either.That aside, how did TCO not notice the cycles getting hijacked? Everything of importance happens in or around the Library Dream. Crucial infrastructure for the play is all hidden from him using the magic of conspiracy.
>>4118760>The First-generation Red Queen (whoever that is) worked with Node to make Grand GuignolMassively incorrect. Prickett/TCO is the Red that makes GG together with Node. The original Red Queen died in the Tea Party and is now in the CD (stated in BS1, BS2, and DLC2). The game very cleverly tells you "Prickett is the second Red Queen" and "Queensland was built where the previous Queen's domain was" to make you think it's talking about the same thing, hiding between the lines the fact that the "previous Queen" is Node and Queensland was built where Winterbell used to be before they hid it away. >how did TCO not notice the cycles getting hijacked?Because he's already retarded by then.
>>4118741I feel like you're both missing a central piece of info: during the Tea Party TCO was both playing Alice and observing the whole thing, because Alice 01 / Prickett is only a fraction of TCO, because having individual avatars that incarnate a facet of him but exist contemporarily is kind of Nya's whole deal in the Mythos. But even without the Mythos the game makes it pretty clear. There's a reason TCO is consistently portrayed as a crowd of Alices, and in H End we see Prickett is one among them. Each individual Alice is a piece of TCO; Prickett was the one that took part in the Tea Party and because she actually developed feelings for Grimm she gained a degree of independence from the rest of TCO. TCO only put a piece of himself in the Tea Party and then remained an external observer to it (how would Mary have stolen Grimm otherwise if Alice had been all of TCO, which we see she's terrified of in End D?).
>>4118803>>4118810Why doesn't Prickett just rejoin TCO for her happy ending then? She seems to have a better idea how love works than the rest. She couldn't instruct it on how to make a better love story or cure its retardation?Also, it's no wonder Mabel's plan sucks. A huge portion of it depends on her enemy knowingly helping her.
Does Black Souls 2 have any references to Miranda? She was best girl in the original.
>>4118829Check the beach of grief. Stick to the right side.
>>4118834Thank you, anon-kun.
>>4118695>>4118741Read these lines again then ask yourself how a regular actor who's not even a Great One would be capable of letting anyone into a Garden. The lines about Kuti and Oyster's mother show that you need to have an invitation from the Garden's creator to enter it. In BS1 when Rafflesia talks about Prayer Master she says: "Yes indeed, it was him who brought Alice. And Alice brought him." Him making that wish alone wouldn't do jack shit by itself, it only worked because Prickett, a fragment of Wonderland's creator, was secretly wishing for it at that moment too. >Every character in the game 100% blames the Prayer Master for that one. It's why he's named that.From what I remember there are only 4 instances of the game acknowledging of what he did. The movie in Queensland, presumably put there by Prickett like the rest of that area, Vernai talking about how his father's sin and how he was used and discarded, Mary naming him Prayer Master and a traitor, but the only one who actually 100% blames him is Prayer Master himself. Ask yourself, if he could do that back in Wonderland why the fuck didn't he let TCO into Elysium? He was arguably more important there, being the protector of the Holy Forest, keeping Shub-Niggurath from entering it. It's not like he was afraid of punishment, he wanted to be punished. Mary only gave him the role of Prayer Master to mock and torment him, so that it would always remind him of his guilt, and he accepted it, for him it was a form of repentance, that and helping Grimm become stronger so that eventually, possibly he would be able to break out of there. Think why Baphomet's prayers always fell on deaf ears until she was able to ruin Elysium from within in ending D. It's because Gardens need to have some kind of defenses against shit like this, otherwise any Great One could just send a succubus or someone riding a hound of tindalos into another's Garden and make them summon them in to easily invade it.
>>4118741>How does TCO not freak out when Grimm keeps disappearing from Wonderland?Mabel manipulating time if I were to guess.>Side objective complete.Well she's not fucking there so it's hardly complete.>The Alice you meet at the start and in End D of BS1 is TCO-Prickett in the "role" of Alice.The Alice you meet at the start and in End D of BS1 is TCO that's why Node notes that "The Crawling One" would've killed Mary, not Prickett/Alice. Prickett is either a stain in Wonderland or held captive in Elysium depending on whether you believe Mary took her too or left her there. >The First-generation Red Queenlived in Old Wonderland, during the Tea Party, before the cycles, before Node and Mabel got involved.>Everything after was just keeping the lumbering, infatuated body from seeing the obvious.It is stated by Mabel that vessels without souls cannot act, at best they are puppets only capable of repeating instructions, likewise souls without bodies are said to only be memories playing on repeat. Did whatever happened during ending G and H seem like repetition to you? Who was puppeteering TCO then?>Crucial infrastructure for the play is all hidden from him using the magic of conspiracy.On the outside on low Sen you can see TCO's eye cameras, there aren't any in the Library. While I don't think it means she doesn't look there, Node must have a way of sensing when they are and aren't being observed. If you have better ideas I'm all ears.>>4118819>Why doesn't Prickett just rejoin TCO for her happy ending then? Oh for fuck sake, she doesn't care about TCO's happy ending, she only wants a happy ending for Grimm and staying with TCO isn't it.>She seems to have a better idea how love works than the rest. She couldn't instruct it on how to make a better love story or cure its retardation?No, because she knows the opposite would happen, she would become more like TCO, not the other way around.>>4118810That's what I've been saying
