Did you forget about him yet?
Reminder that Chapter 3 is one of the most important chapters for Side B. If you don't take it into account for your 7B predictions then your predictions SUCK.
Oh you've got theories, do you? Then let's hear some!
>>4083960In the future I personally become god and orchestrate Toby's life to create Deltarune so my mortal past self could have some enjoyment
>>4083960My schizo theory for Carol Knight is that she had Kris's original cyan soul in the light world and that's why the room temperature drops to zero when she enters or why she's so strong and fast even more than Undyne.
>>4083960Kris has water magic.Aqua's flower is called "water" even in Japanese
got an extended vacation for posting muffet did i miss anything interesting?
REMINDER that no non-Rudy!Knight believers have been able to explain this weird ass exchange. https://youtu.be/LEiR1qRZr24?si=NfoyiaIc7KY1qgbOWhy the fuck would he be so uncharacteristically cold and hostile to Susie? No reason for it.. unless he went through an unpleasant experience with her before.
>>4083978Cause it's weird to bring your friend to hang out in the hospital?The hand thing in chapter 4 disproves any adult Knight theory anyways
>>4083948Basically all 7B theories account for MANTLE though.
>>4083978See >>4083920Do you unironically want to argue that Rudy screams like a little girl? I will accept it.
Do (You) have any theories on what this is supposed to be?
>>4083983Not really, all the 7B predictions I'm seeing online are just Kriselle wacky horror adventures.
>>4083986Isn't there some rabbit hole about ECHIDNA? some KNOWER will more details
>>4083986This thing SEEMS to be very important yet there is no discussion of it just because of how vague it is>Has a Green/Blue motif contrasting FRIEND>Represents Jockington, in the same way that Catti represents FRIEND. With Catti and Jockington being considered a duo>Is serpentine in nature connecting it to the Rudinns, Gaster, ERAM, the Angel>From the Rudinn connection it has a connection to the forgotten man aswell.>"O, the shadow will grow, serpentine!">Has hands coming out of its face and depending on how you interpet the sprite it has gasters eye gash and smile.>Might potentially be the placeholder "ECHIDNA" enemy>>4083991ECHIDNA is the chapter 2/3 name for the mysterious placeholder enemy that appears in all chapters. It's also been called GBODY, TeruTeruBozu and WeatherDoll. It's also connected to Rudinns, and has some weird dialogue.>You've come again to this wonderful place. Now tear off the mask beneath your face!>It is known.
>>4083993>shadow*beard
Krisatti shippers: We literally don't exist.Krusiefags: Hey neither do we lolKrisatti shippers: Shut the fuck up retards, you had your chance and you blew it.
>>4084006I believe the real name is "Kratti"
>Cope skirtPeople really think Kris is trans...
I self insert as Berdly AMA
>>4083983Literally the only one that does is Hometown Massacre. Beyond that it's people thinking Mantle is actually showing a different route and not the weird route, or just straight up ignoring Mantle at all.
>>4084014Just ignore the femkrisfags. Arguing with them is a waste of time.
>>4084022This isn't about them.Its the long skirt. I hardly ever see real women use those long skirts but trans people love them for some reason.
>>4084024The point is to put Kris on a skirt to own the chuds who self insert as Kris, but it has to be long because a short skirt is too sexualizing
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
So why the fuck did Toby have one of chapter 5's main plot points be about "the incident" and many of its over arching mysteries if he also refuses to reveal anything before chapter 7? what the fuck is his plan?
>>4083948Yep, Kris and Noelle WILL be used up and Krisellefags will CRY.>>4083983No, they don't. All theories are just Kriselle metaslop and don't acknowledge what happens after we follow the white cloak through the water maze.
>>4084019>>4084054The first mantle game doesn't show anything that happens in the weird route. How is it a stretch to say that the third game doesn't either?
>>4083960Rudy's room has a bunch of roses given to him by Asgore in the previous chapters, so if Chapter 6 does take place in the hospital I think we could see a red flower interpretation, and I feel like they will end up giving us more Kris lore of THAT DAY, too. If not being small Krislings, too.
>>4084057BIG3IN THEWEIRD ROUTESFORESHADOWING WEBSITE
>>4084060And this proves... what exactly?>MANTLE is important to the weird routeYeah, we already knew that.
>>4084061If only Mantle 2 was important then the 3 would be smaller.
>>4084060No anon but it doesn't matter because, uh, it doesn't match the actual's games events one to one, clearly there is a special third route where Kris is gonna be a lumberjack and start cutting trees down with a sword to find hidden treasure chests in the forest.
>>4084062Why? Im pretty sure telling you how to do it is important enough to justify its size.>>4084063>you're saying that MANTLE is metaphorical and not a literal 1-1 reenactment of events?>that must mean you think mantle is a literal 1-1 reenactment of events.
>>4084064It would certainly be smaller if it was just that. Mantle 1 and 2 are the tutorial while 3 is the future of Side B.
>>4084057Kris and Noelle being used up happens in the second game.
>>4084066So? Why are you pointing out things that don't disprove my claim and saying it as some sort of gotcha??
>>4084065>It would certainly be smaller if it was just that.Says who?>Mantle 1 and 2 are the tutorialWhy is mantle 1 the tutorial? Tutorial for what? It doesn't show any event in the weird route nor does it explain anything.
>>4084069>Tutorial for what?Showing the whole concept of breaking out of bounds through growing stronger by killing enemies?
>>4084071Thats not what a tutorial is.
Maybe the Mantle game isn't meant to be a 1:1 depiction of events to come and the prophecy is not always a 1:1 depiction of events to come and Gerson's synopsis are not 1:1 depictions of events that happened and Dragon Blazers 2 isn't a 1:1 depiction of events that will happen
>>4084071...Also at no point in time does Kris have to go out of bounds, become stronger or kill any enemies during the weird route. Thats what Noelle does, which is already shown in the 2nd gameYou basically have to say that the 1st game is purely conceptual and doesn't represent anything that has happened nor will ever happen in this framework.
>>4084077It's showing the player that the way to break from the set path is to grow stronger, I don't know what more you want from it, do you want a big sign with "SIDE B TUTORIAL" shown in big bright lights?
>>4084081Its almost this is one of the game's most important themes...Bah! You are clearly just a mindbroken shipper! You should take ERAM at face value and NOTHING ELSE.
>>4084082>You basically have to say that the 1st game is purely conceptual and doesn't represent anything that has happened nor will ever happen in this framework.It literally is that, yes. What fucking situation could bring about the events that happen in the first stage?
ERAM? BROKE Kriselle shippers.
Ntr loving poly pedo Roulx caard nearly groomed Ralsei into trooning out before Starwaker prevented it from fully happening. That's why he's a chud in chapter 5
It's always funny how some people disagree with something that does have evidence of it potentially happening and offer an alternative that relies purely on assumptions and no actual in-game evidence.
>>4084086Your theory is literally built entirely on an extremely literal reading on what MANTLE represents.
>>4084090Yeah I think Mantle stage 2 and 3 show events of the actual story while stage 1 is a more abstract introduction to the concept of becoming stronger to break free.
FUN fact! If you click on the 3 in the Weird Route foreshadowing website it will play a Mantle sound effect. If I'm not mistaken it's one ERAM uses.
>>4084087Chill, vesselfag.
>>4084092Then you're just picking and choosing what is and isn't conceptual based on what you want to be true.>Everything in MANTLE is a literal event that will happen>...except the things that could lead to my claims being contested!
>>4084087Krisellefags are crazy because unless you completely ignore or reject what Mantle shows, there is no Kriselle happy ending, not on the weird route, and not in the twisted route they claim to exist. The second stage is clearly the events of the WR, and Noelle and Kris get used up there, so no happy ending. Noelle is completely missing from Stage 3 while you go around killing everyone, so, even if you think Stage 3 is the twisted route, there is still no Kriselle happy ending.
>>4084095Ok, you don't believe in my interpretation, so what's your thought on what stage 1 of Mantle represents?
I don’t care about theorycrafting or “the mystery”. I just want a well written story with fun and interesting characters
It's kinda fun how HERO_Sword has a completely empty face, kinda like the Vessel.
>>4084067My original comment was about people dismissing what happens after the maze, which is in the second game. Your response was a non-sequitur
>>4084087My HERO.
>>4084099Mommy Frisk...
>>4084098This is very controversial to say.. But i believe its the normal route, with killing in this case being metaphorical and existing more to harken back to the idea of Undertale's genocide route.>why would killing be metaphorical?Killing is also metaphorical on the 2nd game until the Whitecloak shows up. It's not like Kris kills anybody in the weird route until Noelle shows up.>but you don't become stronger?Nomercybros...>but you don't go out of bounds?Well, first off you already go out of bounds in the egg rooms. Thats not what the trees represent, but it does prove it isn't totally impossible to go out of bounds in the NR.
>Mantle 1 is about NRWhat are we even doing here man.
I have yet to here anyone explain to me how all the vagueposting actually IMPROVES the story
A question for Twisted Route believers. If you think the Twisted Route is completely separate from the Normal Route, then what use do you think the Pure Crystal will have in the Normal Route?
>>4084107Argument?>>4084109Something that causes a noticable divergence in the plot, but not enough to create a totally new ending.
>>4084108All the vagueposting makes the impact of the reveal stronger. Or, it would, if the game wasn't slowly released over a +10 year period, with multiple year long waits between chapters, making the fans grow more and more schizophrenic.
>>4084112>Something that causes a noticable divergence in the plot, but not enough to create a totally new ending.And how it would do that? I need details, keep in mind the Pure Crystal isn't a piece of equipment, but a Key Item, how exactly is it going to achieve this?
Mike...
>>4084115Well it cant really be said with any certainty because of how hard the game vagueposts regarding the PureCrystal. But if you believe that the ShadowCrystal bosses represent the relation between Kris and the player, with the final ShadowCrystal boss (Pink) representing the reconciliation between the two than probably something to do with that. I guess.I also don't think the Evil Ass ThornRing Sword is going to lead to anything good.
>>4084117*then, not than.
>>4084115I think it will give you a sequence breaking way to access the bunker a bit earlier than intended (foreshadowed by tenna's photos)
>>4084107People REALLY don't want Noelle to be used up.
>>4084121Your argument?
>>4084122Waiting until 7B releases and you get raped.
If there was a electric party member would they use shockshock
>>4084124I've still yet to see an argument against this.
>>4084112Not that anon but the argument is that Mantle's existence is inextricably tied to the Weird Route, clicking on the big 3 in the numbers page, which is all about the Weird Route, plays the same sound that plays when Eram disappears after beating it, so it's very weird to see you pretend that only one part of Mantle has anything to do with the weird route, and stage 1 and 3 are either the normal route or the mythical twisted route.
>>4084130Because foreshadowing in this game is never 1 to 1?How many times do you have to learn your lesson about this. Gerson's inferno of jealousy wasn't literal for example and was just a reflection of the character's inner feelings.
>>4084132You keep asking for an argument but you reply with this bullshit when actually met with one. You're the one who has no fucking argument, why the fuck would Mantle be talking about the normal route, The first thing we ever saw, or heard in this case, related to Mantle, is in the fucking Weird Route page, that's our first contact with it even if we didn't know it at the time, you don't like what Mantle is foreshadowing and you're coming up with some ass backwards theory that what's showing isn't actually related to the weird route to cope with it.I'm with the other anon, I'm looking forward to see you get raped when 7B releases.
>>4084135I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but ignore my point anyway dude its fine>foreshadowing in this game is never 1 to 1will keep living rent free in your head.
>>4083986All the hands Kris has lost over the timeloops.
>>4084136>foreshadowing is not 1 to 1 therefore most of Mantle has nothing to do with the weird routeOk dude, continue shitposting if you want, I'm done arguing over this.
>>4084135That's not me...>why the fuck would Mantle be talking about the normal routeThe normal route naturally leads to the weird route. Even in your interpretation the ice key represents the beginning of the weird route, or alternatively knowledge of its existence.Also MANTLE representing more than one thing does not disregard its importance to the weird route. I don't know why you think thats the case.
>>4083984Something something ask Asgore.
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINEDOMEGA ASGORE.
Even if Kris and Noelle have a tragic ending, I'll sleep like a baby knowing what they had was real, unlike normal route's Suselle whose final moments will be filled with anger and confusion from Noelle as its shallow facade finally burns to a crisp.
>>4084149This is my expectations for 7b, Noelle will die, but she will die on her own terms instead of being the prophecy's puppet.
>>4084151>Noelle will die, but she will die on her own terms instead of being the prophecy's puppet.Man cant believe Toby is ripping off SMT 4 now
Noelle will die like a little bitch in 7B.
https://x.com/whoasked420/status/2096605002273898906?s=20The entire shitshow of the doelester art on xitter has been pretty entertaining Also makes me understand more and more why the ch4 weird route rose got censored. Most of the fandom isn't mature enough to handle it
>>4084154very based
>>4084154It's hilarious. What once was a dumb 4chan joke has become this "serious" thing in the community.I really wonder what Toby thinks about it. There's no way he doesn't know about the meme by now.
>>4084163he probably just finds it funny, remember he's good friends with omocat and is a general internet oldfag from the days people would draw pregnant art of the 12 year old homestuck characters.He's no puritan.
>>4083939Well he's forgettable after all.
I finally saw someone outside of this godforsaken website posit that the weird route ending was the fever dream Toby had.They still had to surround it with disclaimers about how they know the weird route is awful.Nobody is prepared for where this story is going, are they?
>>4084174Yeah nobody is prepared for the fact Side B is canon to Undertale.
>>4084172Actually Papyrus is in the goner gang with sans.
>>4084174Nope, which is why Mantlefags are fucking tripping. Yeah sure the route that is all about going off-script will follow the path laid out by a demon dude that will culminate in uhhh *checks notes* genocide.. again!
>>4084179Yeah nigga.
>>4084179Yeah.
>>4084154Fucking based.
>>4084179Please explain why you hate the actual foreshadowing the game gave us.
>>4084180>>4084181This is just shit writing. Like firetomb and the soul posessing Noelle.
Ready to reunite with your Vessel in 7B?
>>4084186You not liking it doesn't mean it won't happen, sorry.
>>4084174Having a trippy dream about the Mother 1 breadcrumb glitch in which the characters are self-aware or somesuch sounds very much like something that could have happened.
>>4084188They said this about firetomb. The concept is about as fucking stupid too.
>>4084187Hell yeah.
>>4084186GenoKINO is good writing though.
>>4084190Can't wait to watch you seethe, gonna be even better than the people who thought Susie was gonna completely ignore Noelle in 5.
>>4084187>>4084191Traitors..
>>4084179I think ERAM was showing us specific, curated bits of the weird route to come, with minor artistic liberties taken to fit it into the format of the "real game". It's probably roughly in order but I suspect we're missing serious lengths of time.>but that means you think we'll go back to hometown and kill everyoneIt means I think ERAM wanted it to look like we'd go back to Hometown and kill everyone. That might be a goner replication of the town for all we know. I doubt anything in Mantle is complete meaningless fabrication.
>>4084194I'm no traitor i always supported my Vessel.
>>4084194Traitor? Me? I'm sorry, who was the one who forcefully took me away from my Vessel? Because I did not choose that.
>>4084186All those ignored Mantle foreshadowing, just like Kriselle date does.
>>4084190As for why its stupid, consider that the weird route is considered far more disturbing and evil than the genocide route, despite technically having less killing in it. This is because its evil is far more believable in comparison to something like "Kill 85 people then blow up the earth". Things like firegrave, hometown massacre etc. reduce the weird route to something almost cartoonish in comparison to what it really is. Genuinely try to think of anything in this hypothetical "hometown massacre" that would be even remotely as impactful as the chapter 4 and 5 weird route scenes. You can't because the idea is fucking stupid.
>>4084187Damn these have big ass boobs. Also yes, ready to reunite with sexdoll.
>>4084176Both routes need to be canon for Kriselle Knight to work
>>4083960My theory is that Dess actually created Susie.How so? Dess is stuck in the same space as Gaster and reflects on how the prophecy could be subverted. A new "girl" made to replace Noelle as the Girl of the prophecy, the one that is to be sacrificed to save the worlds from the roaring.It had to be a "girl" that looks strong and assertive enough to be part of the adventure, and naturally appealing enough to Kris so he would cling enough to her till the end of the adventure. She remembered about a drawing under her bed of a purple "dragon" that looked more like Yoshi than anything and she also remembered about THAT book that Asriel loaned and that Kris kept hidden from view not far from his bedroom.Dess managed to sneak her way through Gaster's devices and once she got her hands on the Goner Maker, she made that character and sent her to Hometown, with some of her own traits and memories in her. Thus appeared one day in Hometown this new(est new) girl, Susie, a misfit, a bully, she doesn't even know where she's from, who her parents are, what are her hobbies. She's just there, like a thorn in the side, she's not supposed to be here. Everybody in town seems to hate her, to be scared of her. And yet, Kris is not a bit afraid of her, as if he already had to endure someone like her. Finally, after months of research of a sign of life from Dess, Noelle suddenly stopped, as if she found what she was looking for. And here we are, at the beginning of chapter 1.
>>4084199Hometown Massacre isn't killing for killing's sake though, it's a sacrifice made to get stronger so that you can finally achieve some degree of freedom and change the ending, the only way to do this is to get stronger, and this requires the sacrifice of Kris, Noelle, and many more.
>>4084199Omega Asgore as implied by Mantle 3 would be very hype moments and aura.
Remember, if it doesn’t acknowledge the CRT aesthetic, it’s not a good 7B theory.
jevilamigos…
>>4084204And that ending is? What? It's very clear you aren't thinking about this with the ending in mind. At best you'd get an exact repeat of the Chara monologue in genocide.>>4084205If we're to take MANTLE literally here then asgore would only fight you when you killed all his flowers, so there wouldn't even be an omega asgore fight.
>>4084208Asgore and the flowers are fighting you the moment you enter. If you kill the flowers he goes into a rage.
Side B will end with DELTARUNE WAS USED UP
>>4084208I don't know what that ending will be, we'll discover it when the time comes, we don't even know what the normal ending will be either.
>Hometown massacre is actually really deep! It's about uhhh..... ummm........Name one thing that would happen in hometown massacre that would not have already been explored by the genocide route thematically.
The entirety of Hometown must be purged.
How does the Vessel make people seethe so much?
>>4084208>Guy complaining about Mantle doesn't even know what actually happens in it.
>>4084221Even though it's literally the actual self-insert in the game, Kris self-inserters hate it because they got attached to Kris because we played as them first.
I've got a big problem with some of the current interpretations of Side B/Weird Route. So, a lot of them put a lot of importance on Kris and Noelle, and that's not necessarily wrong, they are very important, Noelle's desire to break free is a key part of the weird route, it's what allows you to start it and get the thorn ring, cast snowgrave, cross the lake, everything, so Noelle is extremely important. Kris is important too, it might be that he is really not all that comfortable with following whatever scheme he's involved in, and it could be that he too wants to find a way to break free, and this is what allows you to pick all the Proceed options. But, if we're only ever considering Noelle and Kris when talking about the weird route, doesn't that feel strange? Don't you get the feeling that you're forgetting about someone? Think back to the events of the weird route, don't you remember there was someone else too? In chapter 4, in Noelle's bedroom scene, there was someone else wasn't it?That's right, there was Noelle, and there was Kris, but there also was "Me.". And that's the one I often see people dismissing completely. Noelle and Kris's desires are very important to the weird route, but there is also "Me", this was clearly shown in the dialogue options during 4, "Me" is important to the weird route too, and cannot be easily ignored. "Me", the heart on a chain, that is a key player in the weird route too, and you cannot just ignore it and focus on just Kris and Noelle if you're seriously speculating on what's gonna happen in 7B.
>>4084199>Genuinely try to think of anything in this hypothetical "hometown massacre" that would be even remotely as impactful as the chapter 4 and 5 weird route scenesIf you're still controlling kris, or a Vessel that looks like kris, it can be personal. Think like Toriel's final words in genocide but cranked to 11 when she believes its her own son killing herThen again idk how you make killing Catty 5 seconds before/after this not immediately destroy the tone because either A, Catty still acts like Catty or B, Catty (who is CATTY) is suddenly dealing with the very serious topic of mortality.Thats the true problem with the massacre, its that its a FULL massacre, there are definitely kills in Hometown that could be more impactful than their deaths in Undertale, but some characters just are not written for it to work. It's like inserting a Genocide route in EarthBound, it wont fit tonally and the sudden seriousness cannot be taken seriously
>>4084225Yeah, at the end of the day Side B is both about ME and Kriselle. 7B just asks "who do you think matters more in Side B? The Soul or Kriselle?"If you answer Kriselle, you get the Kriselle metagaming date predictions everybody is doing, if you answer the Soul you naturally get Hometown Massacre.
Asriel returning from college to an empty, ash-covered ghost town makes the whole Hometown massacre idea bizarrely funny.
>>4084230He returns only to find Slenderman but smaller and with hair staring at him like he owes it money.
>>4083960You want a [GAME THEORY]?Well here is a [BIG ONE] 4UAlphys is Susie's foster parent and she's the one who brought her into town.The evidence for this, is that they are the only known characters who live at the furthest apartment building (Susie says, "let's go to your house" when you interact with the building in Chapter 4 and will not say this at any other building)Furthermore, if it is the case that Alphys is the one who brought Susie to town, then it heavily insinuates that she is working as a conspirator to the prophecy. Maybe that's why Sans assumed she was part of "the mob" when he first met her.
kris took a goner body in order to hide from the friends (maybe). Without the soul he grays out and becomes a goner as show in the image.
>>4084225I don't think anyone dismisses the importance of *Me considering people often freak out that they're "evil" and force characters to do "evil" things in that route. Now the question for 7B is, how much freedom do you actually achieve through conspiring with the player. Because in 2WR a lot of stuff was set up beforehand. For example the rings. Not even the thorn ring, how did that Addison know that Noelle is getting stronger and would want the freeze ring, just from "we're something else" answer? WR is breaking the game but the basis of that is digging up something from the game itself. So how would that work for 7B? Who materializes the choices (you) make in WR to make the impossible possible? Is it Noelle herself?
>>4084140That's looks like a lot less than 73 handsAre the rest of them off screen7A = 747B = 73
>>4084234I've had this theory before, let me add onto it>Toby has never made a monster family where the monsters were completely different species (Excluding Chara and Kris, who were Humans), and both of them are Reptiles of some kind>Susie has refused to interact with Alphys in the light world every time they were in the same area together, and most times outright avoids her, almost like she's afraid she'll have to acknowledge it>It makes Alphdyne run in the family
>>4084109I think whatever it is, the PureCrystal could give Kris hope. Rather than constantly regretting the past, it'd show something so wonderful that Kris would legitimately break down crying.Honestly I think it could let you see a (short) flashback where you see Kris, Noelle, Asriel, and Dess all happy togetherThis not only reminds Kris what she's fighting for, but finally makes her trust (You). She'll start to talk in the dialogue boxes with portraits and will actually emote.And while it'd be a bad idea to let you use her knife outside of specific circumstances since she doesn't want to actually seriously hurt anyone, she'll reveal that she can use magic and will trust you to have her use it.
>>4084236Considering all the potential signs that this whole thing has been tampered with from the start, honestly just having you get snatched away from the character creation screen is enough, but then there's Ramb's whole speech about Tenna taking the game and turning it into something else, and other stuff too, I think that it makes sense that if the player is aware of all this they would try interact with these discarded/hidden elements to force a change. It's not necessarily just turning the game back to what it was originally, but more so that the only avenue you have to try to change this is through trying to dig up and interact with whatever used to be there, otherwise the whole thing is just a straightforward adventure like Ramb says.In the end whatever freedom you do achieve will be limited to whatever you manage to get your hands on allows, Punishment Cage B is still a cage.
>>4084246>She'll start to talk in the dialogue boxes with portraits and will actually emote.Dropped, Kris' best aspect is how unexpressive she is and I will not stand for this kuudere erasure
>>4084251Don't act like your heart wouldn't melt if Kris finally cracked a smile
>>4084250when in doubt.. go with "ERAM did it"
>>4084252Ive played Deltatraveler. It wont.
>>4084236Im under the belief that ERAM set up the weird route as part of an elaborate scheme to overthrow Gaster. Right before you fight ERAM the game shows you killing Tenna, a character with a good amount of Gaster parallels especially in the context of MANTLE.
>>4084250That's my impression too, how Deltarune is a parallel of Tenna's games and at times feels like it might be a watered down version of the "real game" that had real danger and real consequences. But that ch2 example also got me thinking, what if there are actually supposed to be WR "triggers" in other chapters but we simply never take Noelle there so everything after ch2 only happens in the Light world. I guess it loops back into "we'll get to replay with Noelle in our party" wishful thinking. But wouldn't it be so like Noelle to find an exploit where you go back to grind some more to grow more powerful? If only Toby weren't so neutered by now...
Do you think Jevil and Spamton will materialize from the Devilsknife/Dealmaker during some climatic moment in Chapter 7?
>>4084225This, people just forget that the route is about us above all. We're the terrifying voice. Kris is just a tool. Noelle is just a tool. And tools get USED UP.
>>4084176Literally everyone is preparedYou only give Sans the punch card with 3 people on the weird routeOn the normal route the card has 4 people.What people will actually struggle accept is that UT's geno ending is the only one that's cannon to DR; you destroy the world and move on to the next. In the destroyed UT (when you're waiting for Chara's deal) the only sound is water, and when you get connected to DR the soul appears in the depths.DR isn't a parallel universe, it is the UT world recreated.
>>4084262They're not tools to me. I want them to be happy.
>>4084264Tuck your hammer into bed all you want, its still a hammer
>>4084264You weren't very happy about them being happy without (you) in the normal route. In fact you simply considered it NTR and decided that they deserve death for that.
>>4084149Imagine if Kris sacrifices Noelle to bring back Dess, as it turns out Kris was in love with Dess and not Noelle. I don't know how I would react.
>>4084262I don't think that was what he was getting at here. It's not one or the other. Infact deltarune entirely revolves around the player/playercharacter dynamic, and the weird route especially so.
>>4084263would be kino of the highest order if true and i will consider toby one of the storytellers of all time
>>4084263I always thought you heard water because the barrier worked, to be honest.There was a river flowing into the underground. Everything within the barrier was erased. So now there's just a giant empty chamber. The water still flows in.
>>4084203[cont.]But still, despite all, in the NR, this plan doesn't work as expected.Noelle is too deeply infatuated with Susie, somehow feels it's wrong, keeps it low, but Susie gets on such an ego trip being the heroine she can't help but bring Noelle back into the adventure.Kris, as expected, bonds with Susie, and being on with the plan himself, he knows Susie has to be sacrificed. But he won't be able to slay the "dragon", it would be like "losing" Dess a second time. He will sacrifice himself instead, thinking he will pass for a "girl". But everything is ultimately fucked, there's no one left to seal fountains, another girl will have to sacrifice herself, the tragedy is not adverted. Back to square one. You're put back into Kris at the beginning of chapter 1. Find another way to get out of the tragedy.
>>4084268I actually did forget about putting the terrifying voice in my original post, it is a good point which I think really shows that the weird route isn't only about Kris and Noelle when you put it alongside everything else.
>>4084266>Neither Kris nor Noelle are happy in the NR. Noelle is just a pro at masking. They needed us, anon. Even if they don't make it, I hope we can give them some joy before the end.
>>4084263This reminders we of what Jevil saidThat the whole world was locked away from him.What if by destroying the UT world, it allowed Gaster to leave the room and that's why he was able to find us?
>>4084267It's not unlikely considering how Toby loves to give things entirely different context and break character dynamics.
>>4083986Thanks doc
>>4084267how bad would this tear the fandom apart?
>>4084268The player and player character dynamic will continue with the Vessel.
>>4084263>>4084270You don't hear water, you hear wind. The barrier and the world was destroyed, not just the underground.
>>4084278>The dynamic of... not interacting with or opposing the player in any way... How is this is not just rehashing the genocide route again?
I do think the whole "no fuck you these are my tools and they will do what I want with them and I don't give a shit about what they want" reading isn't necessarily incorrect since the WR is missing Pink's fight that's just a big "You and Kris gotta work together if you wanna get through this!" message. At least I do not think it's nonsense to say that Kris's feelings are not exactly being taken into account when it comes to the WR.
>>4084280>not interacting with or opposing the player in any way..This is pure headcanon.
>>4084273>Noelle NEEDS to be put in trance by me, through Kris who is extremely upset about it, in order to be happyI think you just want to think you're important to them while Kris hates you and everything you do and Noelle only sees you as means to her ends.
>>4083960the final tragedy is about "the dragon" being slain and thats why susie seemingly doesn't care about changing it anymore while doubling down on her larp as "the girl". the normal route ends with a final confrontation against susie to close castle town's fountain with maybe ralsei siding with susie ending in them both dying with one of the incintives to do the weird route is susie surviving due to kris and noelle noclipping out of reality before shit hits the fan.
>>4084239I guess that open's the question as to whether Alphys will be even more reprehensible than she was in UT.Did she bring Susie to town knowing/thinking she would be filling the role of the "dragon"?Does/will she know that Susie ended up filling the role of the "girl"?Will Toby ever directly address this, or will he just vague post about "it"?
>flowery's set up to be the antithesis of ralsei's worldview>motivation is still entirely focused around serving his specific lightner just in a more manipulation way than ralsei would>this is never acknowledged at any point in the chapter
>Noelle-knight is something people seriously believe in-No.
>>4084283This is the purpose of the vessel.>>4084282Vesselfagging doesn't want to explore this so much as they want to ignore it by discarding Kris and Noelle completely.
>>4084288That's a lot of Rudy's.
>>4084267>Kris only visited Noelle to see Dess>Kris's obsession with piano stems from wanting to impress Dess who was also into music>Kris constantly scaring and teasing Noelle was just a ploy to get Dess to step in and pay attention to him>once Dess disappeared Kris stopped giving Noelle any attention altogetherFuck. I hope I am wrong but it is possible
>>4084253"ERAM did it" is just "Gaster did it" with extra stepsThe more things change, the more they stay the same
>>4084289That's the purpose of the vessel in your headcanon.
>>4084285The fact the game calls side b slightly better than the main route implies that the normal ending is so fucking bleak that you mindraping Noelle into becoming video game truman and being a general edgy fuck is somehow a better alternative than letting the prophecy happen naturally.
>>4084293ALL MY NIGGAS GONERS
As compromise with vesselfags and krisellefags i propose that the "Twisted route" and "Chapter 6 vessel appearance" be merged into the "Twisted Route will let you possess the vessel, who appears in chapter 6". It probably wouldn't be that hard to find reasoning for if you analyzed the holiday house dark world hard enough.
Why does Ponman make people seethe so much?
>>4084282>Pink's fight that's just a big "You and Kris gotta work together if you wanna get through this!" messageI find the angle they take this message retarded because while it does imply a two way street they put focus on Us listening to Kris more than the other way around with a line like "Doesnt your body deserve a say too?"We TRIED, and have BEEN TRYING to listen to "our body", did Toby just not see everyone trying to find the "Kris Approved" options in the ch1-2 days? Its the body that doesnt want to work with its soul in our case, the body would rather align itself with the villain of the story and work against not only it's soul but it's own friends. Surely the game wouldnt say "No trust me bro, just trust me let me do this heinous shit I promise there's a good reason stop trying to out me to the people im working behind"I fucking have to consider that as a possiblity because I have seen it before, this wouldnt be the first time I've played a game that did that, and it did it worse because it was telling me to trust an unironic terrorist and then called ME the bad guy when I didnt
>>4084288WHAT DO YOU MEAN [lostgirl.ogg]?SHE'S RIGHT THERE!THERE'S NOTHING TO [find her]is someone there?
>>4084300It's simply the other way around for Kris and (you). What (you) want is stupid and so Kris wants to be in control and only allows you in for non-essential shit while all his real business is done soulless. But if he doesn't accept you as part of the team he will suffer greatly when it counts, so it's a cautionary tale for him to not discard your goals altogether.
>>4084300>Surely the game wouldnt say "No trust me bro, just trust me let me do this heinous shit I promise there's a good reason stop trying to out me to the people im working behind"... I don't see why it wouldn't? What's so bad about this from a meta standpoint? Yeah Susie and Ralsei would be betrayed, why does that mean the intent has to be bad and you have to be in the right for putting a stop to it?
>>4084295I've been betting on this for a while now, NR (I guess "Side A" now) will not have an actual ending. It's just Mother 3's blank room with npcs you can talk to at best, you have to trust that everything went well because the series of events in Side A involved taking (You) out of the story as an active force or observer. That's why Side B is "Better, but not by much", because it has an ending we can see that will actually offer true closure, its just a bad end
>>4084289>Vesselfagging doesn't want to explore this so much as they want to ignore it by discarding Kris and Noelle completely.To me this does feel like the natural conclusion of this line of thought, just discarding Kris for a vessel that does what you want, as is built the way you want. That being said, I want to offer an alternative, that is similar but slightly different. What, if, instead of discarding Kris, you just stick him into the goner maker, and you overwrite Kris with the parameters that you chose for the Vessel? I think it could be more interesting than simply ditching Kris, though I do admit I am not sure about the possibilities of this happening.
>>4084295>letting the prophecy happen naturally.It's not happening naturally though.Kris has been stacking the deck from the very beginning.
>>4084300>Surely the game wouldnt say "No trust me bro, just trust me let me do this heinous shit I promise there's a good reason stop trying to out me to the people im working behind"It's 100% gonna say this, I would bet on it.
>>4084013*KrismasCatterine
>>4084300>it was telling me to trust an unironic terrorist and then called ME the bad guy when I didntWhat game? I have a feeling you're playing the "terrorist" part up to try and justify writing them off.
>>4084309That is basically just ditching Kris, no real difference from just killing Kris and jumping into the Vessel.
>>4084316In practical terms, yes, but to me it feels more visceral than simply ditching Kris, just, removing everything that makes Kris, Kris, and replacing it with something you chose, it's the ultimate rejection of Kris as an actual character and instead transforming it into just a puppet for the player to control, that's why I feel it's more interesting.
>>4084083Yeah, actually. Literally everyone talking about Mantle as a Weird tutorial does so from a position of already knowing what Weird is and how to do it, you don't actually know what it would be like to play this for a first time without knowing everything about Weird already.
>>4084315Pokemon Rejuvenation>I have a feeling you're playing the "terrorist" part up to try and justify writing them off.Flora, the terrorist, wants to blow up a bridge. Not just any bridge, the regions equivalent to the golden gate bridge, as its the entrance to THE major city of the region. Her reasons are "Working a job sucks" and "My dad is dead". Siding AGAINST her is required for the EVIL route where you decide the world should burn.Also, her arc features a segment where the MC shapeshifts into Kris Deltarune, and you have the option to use her brother's newly found ability that allows him to instantly kill people to skip battles, make them more violent, and try to kill the terrorist.Also the terrorist literally has an escape pod crash into the court where she is put on trial, injures an officer, and escapes right after being told she is getting the death penalty herself and manages to convince the court to give it to her brother instead. Later on they try BLOWING UP THE CITY because they couldnt blow up the bridge
>>4084098It's just showing you get stronger by defeating enemies.
>>4084112Toby said there's only one ending.
>>4084145Chapter 5 was vehemently unfunny.
>>4084154Stella mentionedStella mentioned
>>4084319What? Are you leaving out some reasons the player would have to agree with the terrorists' cause or motives? Do you perhaps end up stopping the terrorists without killing them on the good route? Because the death penalty sounds like ridiculous fucking overkill for one disenfranchised Poke-terrorist and that alone makes me think the intent was to show the city was corrupt as hell and waiting for any excuse to remove those who didn't play by the "rules".
>>4084199>the weird route is considered far more disturbing and evil than the genocide routeHuh?
>>4084297Actually this is pretty easy to make shit up for, so long as you take for granted the vessel being in carol's basement. We can also add in "MANTLE's third game represents the twisted route" for good measure.>The purifiedcrystal, from the shadowcrystal atleast partially represents reconciliation between kris and the player>The TwistedSwd literally "twists" this into a weapon of [Evil]>The TwistedSwd gives Trance down, the compete opposite of the ThornRing's Trance.>Trance imparts Noelle with forbidden knowledge, allowing her to naturally intuit elements of the world that would normally be impossible to discover.>Therefore, Trance down would do the opposite. Dulling Kris' senses to make them fully controlled by the player.>Any suggestion of switching to the vessel would immediately be forcefully shut down by Kris... but with Trance down....
>vesselfagsThey're completely schizophrenic. How can you believe in a ""character"" we saw in the intro, who might not even exist? It was just an intro, and you were always meant to end up in Kris.
>>4084203Susie is an amalgam of Noelle and Dess
>>4084219It's about killing versions of loved ones but Kris doesn't do it out of malice and the experience pains him somewhat
>>4084327Vessel choices are saved in the game data and carry over Chapters.
>>4084324>Are you leaving out some reasons the player would have to agree with the terrorists' cause or motives?I told you. "Working a job sucks, and my dad is dead". Thats the reason>Do you perhaps end up stopping the terrorists without killing them on the good route?No, you let her do exactly what she wants as far as I'm aware, because the route split comes from whether or not you tell the others what her plan is (Only the MC knows at first because her being a terrorist is a secret). By the way, she's completely willing to leave her brother imprisoned somewhere for over 2 months with no food or water in a place where Giratina resides if you reveal her plan to him, and like I said pins the terrorist plan on him when she realizes shes going to get the death penalty>Because the death penalty sounds like ridiculous fucking overkill for one disenfranchised Poke-terrorist She was going to kill dozens, if not hundreds of innocents. She had no plans to close the bridge off, evacuate anyone from it, just blow the fucker up in broad daylight and not care about who's caught in it. And again, when this fails, her terrorist organization Bladestar tries blowing up THE CITY, and forcefully kidnap its residentsI'd say play the game if you dont believe me, but I wouldnt wish a playthrough of this game on my worst enemy it is over 200 hours long, not finished, and the entire game is about as well written as this example
>>4084326You can also logically intuit chapter 5 aborted WR will diverge the game from carol's basement being included in the dark world.>In the normal route Susie and Noelle go into the basement together, knocking over a tree and causing an angel doll to fall over and the Soul to temporarily pilot it around. It then gets taken out of the basement and dumped into the living room.>In the weird route this never happens.The angel doll is probably going to be the Spamton to the vessel's [WORKOUT READY BODY]. So i guess we can work them into this too somehow. Maybe they can guide you to it to parallel the ice palace maze or something.
>>4084287>in a more manipulation way than ralsei wouldNot entirely since Ralsei knows everything and manipulates Susie
>>4084330That's still not enough. It could still turn out to be nothing.
>>4084174Im looking forward to the reaction from normalfags more than to the ending itself
Chapter 0 Side B where you give little Krissy the ThornRing.
>>4084267This is literally exactly what I want so dont worry it wont happen because I never get what I want
>>4084288That poll's ancient to be fair from just a week after chapter 5 released, NoelleKnight wasn't really a thing back then
>>4084288103 votes
>>4084343It was on reddit.
>>4084306>But if he doesn't accept you as part of the team he will suffer greatly when it countsI'm convinced what's going to happen is>Susie either becomes a villain and goes crazy from escapism or finds out Kris is a traitor>Noelle goes crazy>Ralsei is either unable or unwilling to help Kris (we still don't know his angle)And Kris will be completely aloneCompletely alone, except for us, there for her in her darkest momentAnd she'll have to finally trust usThen Chapter 6 ends with her walking to the shelter by herself, holding her hand on her chest to feel our warmth, and then opening the door to go resolve the shelter once and for all
>Dessriel gets hints dropped in Chapter 5>despite this Doelester-posting and art multiplied by tenfold and even started to leak outside of 4chanhow did this fucking happen
>>4084347Very Krisoulpilled.
>>4084348Dessriel is boring
>>4084332BTW, because now I'm thinking about the game again, it has a moment where one of the main characters says "I dont really believe in a God"This same character worked with Dialga and Palkia directly, who have human goddess forms now, and took her through time as part of her mission. This isnt a secret, by this point everyone in the room has been put into that same mission. Do not try to play ball for this game, it's not worth it
>>4084348Kress was super popular on /v/, jannies went nuclear on any deltathreads there, some of those delta posters just gave up and left, you do the math.
>>4084332>"Working a job sucksFrom the screenshot alone it looks a lot more like "the system is rigged to make jobs suck for most people". Which isn't exactly a revolutionary point, but isn't offensive either.>and my dad is dead"Was her dad killed by someone or something blatantly representative of the state of the city, by any chance?>you let her do exactly what she wantsI'm sorry, did she "try" to blow up the bridge, or did she blow up the bridge? You say you let her do what she wants and then you say she failed to blow up the bridge. Which is it? Does it fail without you doing anything on the good route, but succeed if you do the evil route?>she's completely willing to leave her brother imprisonedNow THAT I can agree is actual evil behavior. Might be contextually different if telling her brother implies he'll try to kill her or something when he next sees her, but on its face that does sound less excusable.>And again, when this fails, her terrorist organization Bladestar tries blowing up THE CITYSo she fails to blow up the bridge and her organization "tries" (and also fails?) to blow up the city? That's what I'm supposed to be so mad about not being able to stop? It's sounding more and more like you're trying to not talk about some big element of the story.
>>4084348It made the fucking twitter newsToby must be aware of it, he is going to go so out of his way to make clear its not real in ch6 lol
>>4084353Now that's dumb writing. I'm not going to ball for the game, here. I just inherently distrust any story information I get from people who talk like this about stories and characters, and the way you talk about how this girl deserves to be killed on the good route reminds me of how people talk about, like, Undyne in Undertale. It just reeks of wanting to "punish" characters for being an antagonist and not because it'd make the story any better.
>>4084358in many ways Deltarune truly is a cultural phenomenon
>>4084317I think us having Kris be erased and ditching him for the Vessel is cooler, plus Kris could still show up warped beyond belief since as a human that would leave a corpse which could become fucked up in darkness.
>>4084357>Which isn't exactly a revolutionary point, but isn't offensive either.Its also not a valid reason to put hundreds of innocents lives at risk>Was her dad killed by someone or something blatantly representative of the state of the city, by any chance?iirc, she literally doesnt even say. He was just killed (I have to work off the old screenshots I have because this is past the 100 hour mark)>I'm sorry, did she "try" to blow up the bridge, or did she blow up the bridge?She DID blow it up by the time you can expose her for it. I was foggy about it because this game does mental damage to me, she has already succeeded in that plan by the time you expose her. The reason the city gets blown up is because you put Flora in jail for exposing her before her actual trial happens
>>4084327Man some of you people really don't understand Toby's games, huh?
>>4084348Dessriel is just really boring, both Asriel and Dess have more interesting ships.
>>4084365Dessriel is boring particularly because Dess is currently a memeshit non character that’s just used as a Susie upgrade in fanon
>>4084362>Its also not a valid reason to put hundreds of innocents lives at riskIf the prosperity of this city is a part of what supports the system keeping jobs shit for the common man, then it kind of is. You risk whoever was on the bridge that day for the wellbeing of literally everyone else. If the terrorists believe what they say, it's not much of a leap. I don't agree with it, but I can't call it "just plain evil".>iirc, she literally doesnt even say. Might be a case of the author knowing something about a character so well they forget to actually explain it, but if the game is poorly written then yeah this one's just childish. Lack of a father figure helps explain poor emotional regulation but isn't an excuse.>she has already succeeded in that plan by the time you expose her.Okay, making sense now, mostly. Secondhand, it still sounds to me like the good route will end with the terrorists being stopped. It's not bad to want to stop terrorism, it's bad to think the fix for terrorism is murdering terrorists.
I dont see how he is going to make asriel likeable this time>look at me I get perfect grades and dont give a shit about my younger adopted broher!
>>4084338>I only care about reactslopLegitimately petty mindset
>>4084347>holding her hand on her chest to feel our warmthFucking kek, Kris will never feel this gushy happy nonsense toward the soul, get a clue.
>>4084343the poll is disingenuous because noelle isn't even an option on it and noelle knight has had a niche following since ch2, but it didn't pick up steam until november 2025 when people actually started making coherent theories about it and then in april of this year an anon noticed that the song that opens a door implied to have been locked by the knight in ch4 is the same one noelle has on her blog talking about kris there is no explanation for this, other than the knight being noelle
>>4084359>wanting to "punish" characters for being an antagonistWhich makes the story better because of cause and effect
IRREFUTABLE FACT: There will be only one new dojo fight in Chapter 6, and it will be a purposefully boring fight making fun of and scolding people who want the dojo to not suck!
Patience Soul Amalgamate Knight FemKris.
>>4084348janny's exiling us from /v/ caused us to scatter across the internet doelester technically already broke containment before ch5 came out, but now that we don't have /v/ to go back to some people have taken to xitter to shitpost
>>4084368>If the terrorists believe what they say, it's not much of a leap. I don't agree with it, but I can't call it "just plain evil".I have no words for you, so here's how she reacts to her brother trying to stop her
>>4084376Amalgamated with whom though.
>>4084376patience soul femkris + noelle knight we called it: utenarune
>>4084300>I've played a game that did that, and it did it worse because it was telling me to trust an unironic terrorist and then called ME the bad guy when I didntSounds like something lefties would do. Dunno what you expected.
>>4084360Not on vox's website, it isn't.
>>4084379keep in mind, this is 5 minutes after she tried abandoning him like I mentioned earlier
>>4084380All the Krises from the previous timeloops
>>4084369>adoptedYou fucking take that back
I think both Kriselle fucked up date and Hometown genocide can coexist because we have evidence for bothThe ThornRing is a marriage ring and the Addison selling the first ring thinks Kris and Noelle are dating, and of course the town massacre with the Mantle game, just an evil ending, Kris and Noelle dies at the end or some shit like that
>>4084379What, why? I said I don't agree with it. It looks like she's being unreasonable here, I don't understand how this could be read as "it's evil to try to stop her". From the way you've described the game, the polarity of the issue seems to be stopping her with personal violence or trying to do it "right".
>>4084379Also, holy shit, I wasn't sure how literal you were being when you said the MC shapeshifted into Kris Deltarune. That's kind of hilarious.
>>4084385Holy sex.
>>4084376Asriel’s dust special edition (featuring Dess the molester)
Dess, stop posting in Amino!
>>4084388>What, why?You sound like one of those "Objective evil doesnt exist" types with how much leeway you are trying to give a terrorist and there's no sense in trying to debate that anymore. If you cant agree that a terrorist is evil, then we're done with 90% of this conversation>>4084391This is the other 10%, yeah I was being literal, the game is ripping off Deltarune completely in this section, down to having a weird route where you have Florin use his mind rape power on grunts so you arent being held back by trainer battles and can actually catch up to the terrorist before she escapes. Later they rip off the player protag split as well, thats why youre suddenly Kris Deltarune
>>4084401also, for a laugh, they ripped off Waterfall as a setpiece prior to this
>>4084348Gotta sayThis is Toby's fault for vagueposting too much, even if you hinted at Asriel and Dess being a thing, we still have almost nothing to work with Dess, because Kris relationship and loyalty to the Knight is suspicious as fuck
>>4084401I'm not part of this conversation but you don’t need to add an image of this unrelated game to your every post. It's just wasting image limit.
>>4084401Objective evil is harm to others. But I can give leeway to someone acting on true belief in false premises that minimize the harm they do. I can agree that a terrorist is being evil, I cannot agree that this means they are ontologically evil. In order to be an evil person, you have to fully understand what you are doing, with a clear idea of who it harms and how badly. This is why I can give leeway to all the monsters in Undertale. None of them really "get" humans, or the human experience, the harm they do to Frisk is distant and thus minimized in their perspective until Frisk makes friends with them. The three who do have a pre-existing understanding of humans are the three with even better reasons to behave as they do: Toriel has to be tricked into killing Frisk, Flowey literally can't feel empathy anymore, and Asgore, as far as anyone can tell, has the hopes of his entire species resting on Frisk's death.>weird route where you have Florin use his mind rape power on grunts so you arent being held back by trainer battlesJesus Christ. I've always wanted to see a Pokemon story actually make use of some people just being psychic, but that's insane.>Later they rip off the player protag split as well, thats why youre suddenly Kris DeltaruneIs the creator even an adult? Is this just a teenager mashing up everything they like?
>>4084358I'm not sure if Toby looks at Twitter as much as he used to since he moved his shitposts to Bluesky now.
>>4084405toby understands that dess is more of a plot device than a character
>>4084410>Blueskylol
>>4084410He truly is a giant homosexual.
>>4084403>>4084401>>4084379>>4084362>>4084332Not to be this guy, but why are you posting that shit?
>>4084413say whatever you want about bluesky but blocking people actually fucking WORKS on that side. those niggas vanish from my entire reality as soon as i do that and they can't perceive me in turn. mwah. immaculate
>>4084408Fair enough I was getting tired of overusing it myself>>4084409>Is the creator even an adult?They definitely werent one when they started this game like... a decade or so ago now. They may be physically an adult but they absolutely are not mentally. There's a part later in the story where their self insert pulls out a gun on one of the main characters, and its specifically the character they have admitted to hating but constantly ranks highly in popularity polls.Just trust me on this not only do I not want to abuse the image limit any further, I also dont want to dig for it because its a collection of screenshots from a playthrough that went on longer than 200 hour, but it DOES happen>>4084415Trauma
>>4084415The pain itself is reason why.
>>4084417I'm guessing our moral stances are completely incompatible given you didn't respond at all to that part. Sorry.>self insert pulls out a gun on one of the main characters, and its specifically the character they have admitted to hatingYeah that tracks. Just plain embarrassing. This is probably someone who joined or formed an internet cult of personality around the age they got stuck at mentally, and it's probably related to the game. kind of reminds me of how people talk about Toby here sometimes
Why is Toby the only left-wing creator that creates real-edgy art? The rest only do safe-edgy (swearing, anti-religion, etc). He's an anomaly.
Chapter 6 will be teased during the Nintendo Direct.
>>4084421he is not left wing
>>4084421Define "edgy"It could mean anything
>>4084427Controversial and offensive content.>>4084425Bro, he's on bluesky. He's a leftie.
>>4084187Vessel sucking my SOUL out with a kiss!
>>4084428because all his tranny devs are there, toby is wingless
>>4084429The Soul-drain kiss will be how pizzapants dies in Hometown Massacre.
This thread sucks.
>>4084428>Bro, he's on bluesky.if that were all it took i'd be riding the short bus for going to 4chan
The anon above me sucks.
>>4084435i will suck you so hard your eyes roll back, but that's not for this thread
Deltarune in anime when?What would be its genre?
>>4084433>This thread sucksBlame vesselfags
>>4084439The Vessel BROKE you.
>>4084438Romcom with mystery elements.
>>4084420>I'm guessing our moral stances are completely incompatible given you didn't respond at all to that part.You just simply do not know this game like I do, and I cant keep posting evidence of what the game says because thats not what this thread exists for. If you played it, I am certain you would understand my position here, but with your stance you will not understand by my secondhand account of the game's story. Though you are somewhat right, we do not hold the same moral standard. I believe having a reason for what you are doing that you believe in does not make your sins any lesser if the reason is not a good one, and Floras is not by any means. Her motive is childishly being upset that you have to work hard to get anywhere and that the world happens to be unfair at times, this is not justifcation for throwing the very people she claims are oppressed under the bus by blowing up the town they call home and its only entrance/exit iirc (The only other entrance is a ONE WAY subway), as well as killing whoever happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is an evil act being justified by poor reasons, thus it is evil. It only gets worse when you look at all her other actions and responses to being challenged, such as framing her brother only when she realizes she might die for her beliefs. By the way if I didnt make it clear, that WORKS. She is responsible for the death of her own brother, he doesnt get out of it in the end, he's gone.
>>4084431>The Soul-drain kiss will be how pizzapants dies in Hometown MassacreHis final words?...Score...
>>4084440>The Vessel99% headcanon. I'm more interested in the real characters we spent five chapters with.
>>4084438Fuck anime, make it a VN
>>4084441That's a violation of Van Dine #3. Mysteries must have no love interests.
>>4084421>>4084428>Controversial and offensive content.Lol what?He censored Sueie's"furry freak" line, and added a Starwalker interaction with the weather duo so he doesn't imply that polygamy is a bad thingCurrent Toby is anything but edgy. He's timid and would bend over for fandom. Hell, he even changed Noelle's sprites in the lake scene in aborted weird route so it doesn't imply Noelle doesn't give a shit about Susie in that sceneCalling current Toby edgy is like Kirby final bosses scary and messed up. If you want something truly edgy, look at Black Souls and Fear & Hunger
>>4084449>so he doesn't imply that polygamy is a bad thingHmm... It's almost like... now hold on.... like saying that is.... CONTROVERSIAL?
>>4084449The line replaced was "degenerate" which is in most common use on the internet by neo-nazis, and Starwalker immediately making them a throuple again highlights the joke that they're more against Roulxs being their third wheel than they actually are the concept of being a throuple
>>4084421I would say because he's still has the 2010 or even older mentality when people didn't lynched you for anythingLike you can meme Dess groomer all you want, but there's a small chance that could be a plot point, just not in the coomer sense, while most modern creators wouldn't even dare to touch that because they fear modern audienceLike i mentioned in the previous thread, the Pink kisses, instead of backing down, he decided to add even more kisses, almost calling out the fandom
>>4084449>He's timid and would bend over for fandom.....Mbattat
>>4084453>SpoilerHe's literally me.
>>4084449The ''nothing changes'' is literally still the same, did people seriously only focused on the spirtes instead of the hard cuts with NOTHING CHANGED
>>4084451>"degenerate" which is in most common use on the internet by neo-nazisI'm not taking the bait
>>4084438sports anime
>>4084451Chapter 3 definitely came off as being a PSA against polygamy. Chapter 5 was a complete walkback.
>>4084449I agree that Toby is pretty timid now, but even in his timid form he has 500% more balls than any other leftie creator.
>>4084454born to BATTATforced to MIKE
who did you guys go with in chapter 5?BrattyCattyor the nice cream guy?
>>4084464Catty instantly
>>4084464I was so doompilled I went with Nice Cream Guy because I thought the gay option was obviously going to be the happiest outcome as usual
I don't remember, did Susie get the shelter code from Dess' guitar in Chapter 4?
>>4084464I went with the kot and it had a somewhat wholesome endingSad I didn't pick the nice cream guy the crashout would have been memorable on a first run
Deltarune is not "edgy". Maybe Undertale was but Deltarune is just safe edge slop made by leftists for leftists.
>>4084468No, she cant remember 4-8 numbers without writing them down
>>4084464I just skipped the scene so that Burgie gets no resolution, it's the best outcome for him.
>>4084468She only knows half of it so it's likely she's gonna try to come back to write it down fully.
>>4084442>I believe having a reason for what you are doing that you believe in does not make your sins any lesser if the reason is not a good oneI believe that puts the onus on every individual person to know the truth, which is unfair. I'm not comfortable condemning people who don't really know what they do. Poor reasoning from someone trying to justify what they know as evil is not comparable to poor reasoning from someone who has not been given a real chance to think differently.>It only gets worse when you look at all her other actions and responses to being challengedThis I admit makes her look a lot worse than the initial assessment of "terrorist", yeah. I objected to that because I can think of many stories where a character was regarded as a terrorist just because their existence was inconvenient to the in-universe powers that be. If I were being charitable I'd say it looks like she was meant to start out somewhat sympathetic and only completely lose that after the point of no return for the evil route, but that's a charitable reading and you're the one who knows the game firsthand.>She is responsible for the death of her own brother, he doesnt get out of it in the end, he's gone.Damn. I'm figuring he was the actual sympathetic one who was maybe aligned with the terrorists exactly long enough for that accusation to supposedly make sense? Or was it a total lie?
>>4084472>I just skipped the scene so that Burgie gets no resolutionYou cant actually, not unless you're saying you restarted the entire chapter to not walk in that area because once you get there you have to make a choice, Milklooker wont let you leave
>>4084422It will be a Frisk in Smash reveal.
>>4084470The weird route is most definitely edgy. It gave people panic attacks.
>>4084468She almost got it in WR but Asgore interrupted her
>>4084439I mean, yeah, they were talking about the Vessel sucking us. Vessel does SUCK. Hard.
>>4084475Yes I just skipped the whole sceneIt's not worth my time anyway
>>4084450Polygamy is fine when it's fine one guy with multiple wives, not whatever the hell Toby is doing >>4084456But why change the sprites though? There is no way that was a mistakeIt's just seems so odd>>4084461I think you're putting too much focus on the political affiliation. I don't care about an author's political views unless it's explicitly present in their works (like Disco Elysium for example). I played a fair share of RPG Maker games and Toby isn't as messed up as people make it. Not to downplay the Weird Route of course. I love it and it has the right amount of edge that it doesn't across for shock value
>>4084457That's not bait, albeit
>>4084477Fake assigned male at birth women doing it for views are not people
>>4084464Catty because I didn't know if the choice was final.
>>4084479It's so terrible, ohhhhh the sucking was so horrible...
>>4084471>>4084473>>4084478Alright, because I was thinking about how in 7B we'd encounter Susie and Ralsei again. Because if the place we're heading to is tied to the Bunker, how are they supposed to get in there? I find it hard to picture Carol giving the code to Susie, unless she becomes aware of what's going on. I think Asgore would help her, being a (((friend))) of Kris. That would leave the third code, retrieved in Chapter 6? Or maybe it's completely different.
>>4084477Did they get panic attacks or "panic attacks"? that's a very important distinction
>>4084484You thought you would be given a second thought before the choice gets confirmed like in every other RPG? Too bad, this is Toby's game, get fucked.
>>4084481Because those fucking ugly talking HOLY SHIT THEY ARE SO FUCKING UGLY sprites were already made for the sceneReally if Toby really wanted to change the meaning of the scene, then he would also need to modify the nothing changed scenes too
>>4084486Seeing as the Vessel is tearing apart Hometown in 7B l can see Carol making some people evacuate to the Shelter, making the whole code searching useless for Susie.
>>4083960"Writing the game" around 2018 to 2021 just meant a vague outline, most of Deltarune is made up (and changed) on the spot.
>over 3 years of expecting another 4 or 5 new shadow crystal schizos>only 3 other shadow crystals and none of them is crazyI feel cucked
>>4084145Flowery was so cringe guys I still don't understand why you guys liked this parody of an anime parody
>>4084474>I believe that puts the onus on every individual person to know the truth, which is unfair. I'm not comfortable condemning people who don't really know what they do.All I can really say to this without turning this into a general morality debate (I have work coming up so I dont have too much time) is that Flora 100% knows what she's doing. There is no missing information or truth, she is aware of what she is doing, the costs of it, everything. There is no truth you could give her that would cause her to reconsider anything>Or was it a total lie?Total lie, the whole court scene is a complete sham because the writer clearly doesnt know how law works. First off, witnesses are never called despite the police knowing the player was a witness (also the player isnt present at all for it). Second off, she just lies. I specify she frames him after the death penalty is announced because that's exactly how it plays out, she never tries implicating him the whole time but has to change tact the second the judge tells her she will get the death penalty for her crimes. It is ONLY AFTER that is revealed that she says>"Oh Im not actually the leader of Bladestar, that's my brother. The one currently opposing me right now. Go look at MY computer thats in MY hq, not his house or anything, the proof is there" (She really does specify the computer is hers, not her brothers)This is a complete lie, there's no room for arguing it. And literally immediately after this, she calls an escape pod that crashes into the court room, direct impacts with an officer of the law, and forcefully escapes before proceedings have officially ended.This. Works. The court is fucking CONVINCED.
>>4084494Sorry you have no joy in your heart.
>>4084494>>4084322Go play 4 again and watch Gerson say the most plain advice ever if that's what you like.
The mystery in Deltarune sucks because the player is kept unreasonably in the dark. Every single character possesses common knowledge that is purposely kept away from the player for no reason. This is not a mystery, it's a farce.
>>4084497I don't care for Gerson I liked 4 because it pretended to advance the fucking plot
>>4084498Toby Faux even managed to ruin "I'm with you in the dark". Yeah bitch we're all in the dark bring us the light already.
MY KING
I'll be laughing and crying when 7+7b releases
>>4084474>>4084495Can you off-topic mongoloids at least tell us the name of the game you're discussing?
>>4084498In the dark you say?
>>4084507No its on topic see Kris is right there >>4084379also Pokemon Rejuvenation
>>4084493It's sorta debateable on how crazy Jevil actually is since he was already a trickster before turningSpamton meanwhile actually is completely insane but I think a lot of it also had to do with him being a spam email and a very buggy oneThe throughline seems to be that everybody was chosen for power or potential power to harbor a Shadow Crystal, not necessarily chosen because they were a gibbering lunatic, otherwise Ramb would have been chosen
>>4084506I will play 7B first when it releases so I'm preparared if I should jump from joy or if I should end it all.
>>4084509There's a thread specifically for fangames and a board specifically for Pokémon
>>4084495I think the game is extremely clumsily written then. There might be points to make about justice and culpability in the direction it's looking, but holy shit, the creator did not let any of it bake for long enough. How was bladestar still functional enough to crash the trial with an escape pod if they were also so compromised that the court had access to the leader's computer? How close were her headquarters to the trial that this happened in good time and didn't have to be entered into evidence or something beforehand? Was there any other evidence of any kind? No fucking witnesses were called? Nobody blinked at her suddenly offering more information when her life was on the line? I've never actually been to court and I feel like I could write better than this just by checking each scene from more than one character's perspective.
>>4083960The central theme of Deltarune is "things aren't what they seem to be at first glance", the dark worlds being a direct manifestation of that. You can see that through most important characters, in how the plot progresses, in how Toby reacts to fan expectations.
>>4084514Are nice bones the ones from the 10th anniversary pacifist sans fight, or do they get normal damage and normal iframes?
>>4084516I think Sans cheats so if you choose nicer bones you actually chose "Fangame tier Bones"
>>4084514>* (Seems you can alter how fat So Sorry is.)
>>4084513The best part? This isnt the main story. This is, by all accounts, a side quest in the game's story.It doesnt get better. Arguably it only gets worse, and worse
>>4084498>in the darkWHEN THE HRT IS RUNNING LOWAND THE DISCORD DM START TO GROW
>>4084494Because he's cool.
>>4084518Too based for Toby.
>>4084507Yeah the text walls about this non Undertale and Deltarune are getting really annoying.
>>4084510A dead NEO body doesn't has much potential by itself.I don't really think there was much of a pattern here in the end.
>>4084523Yeah sorry. I'm gonna stop now. I tried to integrate Undertale when it was possible.
>>4084348>Dessriel
the sunk cost is so deep and expensive it might as well be captain gaster's pirate booty
>>4084524Spamton's been trying to get at that body for quite a long time, is the interesting part about him, I think he was chosen because he'll eventually get that body even if he can't do it on his ownThough there's also the fact that every darkner chosen except for Gerson has some kind of broken dream or goal that only extends to within their (or a) dark world, Jevil wants freedom and Spamton wants power and the Knight is doing something with Kris and Mew/Maddie wants dokis, Gerson was fulfilled already and specifically rejected his crystal
>>4084348>how did this fucking happenDessriel is a vaguepost like every single thing in this game.Guess what, people like to see stuff happening and characters doing things on screen.
>>4084529Are you simply looking for an explanation or trying to justify this as a good narrative option?
>>4084493I guess the closest thing was Eram.
>>4084532Neither, spaz, I'm saying they do have a pattern to them even if the pattern's indistinct
>>4084534I'll admit I'm slowly warming up to ERAM because of the ARG, but as he is in the game. he is just a worse Demon Chara with zero personality.
>>4084414>He truly is a giant fag enabler.FTFY
>>4084527He lucky he didn't make the game physical I would have torched it by now
>>4084527Davy Gaster's Locker...
>>4084542I wonder if Toby is going to acknowledge pirate Gaster at all.
I don't think theres enough analysis of the "GREEN GEYSER, JUST NEXT DOOR" in my opinion.
Dragon Quest 7 did every aspect of Deltarune's story better than Deltarune.
>>4084544I don't think there was enough analysis of WE DON'T NEED [MIKE] in my opinion
>>4084545Please go, CoL.
>>4084543All he needs to do is take the jolly roger flag from Papyrus' room and put it in Gaster's lab/house/wherever the fuck he is
>>4084493The angel doll is probably going to be a schizo considering the sheer amount of bullshit its connected to.
>>4084545because its also a game where nothing happens for 80% of it?
>>4084543Well, we still have at least one Castle Town visit left before everything goes to shit, including the mike room.
>>4084545Who is the Kiefer of Deltarune?
I cant wait for angel doll to not show up in ch6 and see what else the fandom convinces itself has to come back as this super important thing later
>>4084549Anon it's fucking over, It's just 5 shadow crystals in the game, and we already got an angel enemy in chapter 4.Nothing to be done beyond moving on from disappointment.
>>4084552Noelle
>>4084553can't wait for another 4th wall breaking remark about it not becoming a darkner haha
>>4084552Susie.
>>4084547Fix your game. I found a game that does almost everything I wanted from deltarune because your game was so unbelievably shit.
>>4084545You mean YIIK
>>4084549There are no more schizos and quirky darkners that take screen time away. We aren't getting a new Spamton.
>>4084559reminder that toby abandoned the YIIK devs after he stole all their ideas little does he know you can't improve on perfection
>>4084560What a wasted oppurtunity.
>>4084558Based *checks notes* Heartbound enjoyer.
>>4084561I think YIIK devs reacted properly by giving his (banger btw) song only 2 seconds of screentime
>>4084553>>4084556>>4084560Okay but i (as in Me) am basically the only person who is seriously entertaining any chapter 6 darkners besides the guitar in general.Everyone decided to overcorrect when mikefagging and the roaring in chapter 5 didn't work out so they play their theories as safe as physically possible. This also applies to (You), by the way. Faggot.
>>4084559I hate yiik, ew
>>4084552Jockington
>>4084560How is it possible for someone to make AND get rich and famous from a game like Undertale, and then go on to believe having quirky comedic characters is an obstacle to serious/focused storytelling and that they should be sidelined as filler content only.What the fuck happened since then?
>>4084561Toby abandoned the YIIK devs after the guy in charge made rash and stupid statements publicly and tanked the PR of an already questionable game right into hell.
>>4084567It's a good game. They trimmed the fat and it's playable now. Very similar to DQ7 actually.
>>4084571Undertale's storytelling was not particularly serious and frequently unfocused.
>>4084549What about the trashcan in an Aborted WR Chapter 6?
>>4084572Toby made a rash and stupid statement once too. That he funded people he would never be seen hanging out with.
>>4084571He just changed as a person.Now he only writes characters as Mary Sues (Flowery, Noelle, Susie, Ralsei).
>>4084566>as safe as physically possibleWhat was safer than all those ASGORE remixes for 5? And not even that was true.I wanted to expect ch6 darkners but where is the fun in that when the most likely option is instead of that I'll get the game clowning on me for wanting that for the tenth time?
>>4084566Ultimately this schtick of "playing it safe" will ultimately lead to all your predictions being wrong anyways since it leads to you ignoring foreshadowed information for fears of it not being followed up on and generally missing the forest for the trees.I don't even know why people are so anxious about being wrong. It's not like Toby Fox is holding you at gunpoint, and will pull the trigger if you make an incorrect prediction.
Don't make a story with darkenrs if you don't want to bother making new darkners.Lazy fucker had a sandbox of opportunity only to to say the whole world is a simulation so you can't make it bigger
>>4084574It may have shit like the New Home lore dump, but the main goals of almost everyone and the mechanics behind them were clarified by the middle of the game. Every major antagonist and side character you met got to be important in some way later.
>>4084566I actually made a theory about darkners in 6 in this very thread, I'm just saying we aren't getting another Spamton or anything similar to him. Any remaining darkners will have a minor role, probably for lore dumping purposes.
Oh no! It's time for anon to scream and shout about how Toby hates him personally and is doing everything to spite him!
>>4084574It is if you play neutral route
>>4084585But games are supposed to suck my dick for playing! Why isn't this one sucking me off enough?
>>4084566Toby said HIMSELF to not expect many important darkners from now on.The dark world in 6 is likely going to be barren as hell, like the cliffs part of chapter 1.
>>4084584i'd rather no darkners than a handful that just loredump is it really so hard to naturally explain the plot and characters throughout the game instead of having someone just tell everything to you near the end?
>>4084585There are certainly a few things that sound like the guy knew me and went for the jugular
>>4084582This has literally only happened to the how to draw dragons book and the TV in flower king.The hypothetically possible darkners weren't even that good
>>4084549if we're going by that logic every darkner in the holiday manor should be a schizo. they saw Kris rip out their (you) a strange heart shaped object that gave best schizo, spampton, pause. carol has her own conspiracy board which either has the same information as asgore's or maybe more evidence hiding someone where since Carol knows about (you). so all in all somebody whether it be lightner or darkner needs to spill the beans on Kris or im calling bs
>>4084585thanks for reminding me
>>4084588>mew mew sex simulator with an usb onahole vibratorToby you have THE CHANCE to be the [King of Erogames]
You need to understand, Toby did not make Deltarune because he wanted to make the full finished product, he made it because of one dream he had that he believed NEEDED to be in a game. "Deltarune" is not what he's trying to actually make, its all just an excuse to reach that dream. Whats why he's not interested in actually answering anything or offering payoffs, there's only a single payoff he intended to make from the very beginning
>>4084592How about the Organ? Thst could have been the bishop. There could have been other darkners for the other channels on tennas show.
>>4084589>the dark world in 6 is likely going to be barren as hell, like the cliffs part of chapter 1.Sounds like a Souls game, mite b cool.
>>4084589He didn't say that.
>>4084589I don't think it'll be barren, so much as there just won't be a specific darkner the entire world revolves around as prior. Lancer and King, Queen and Spamton, Tenna, Gerson, Flowery.
>>4084597Then he should have released just chapter 7.
Quick, explain what Guei is supposed to be in the light world
>>4084599There was already a piano organ in the first sanctuary, so a second one would be entirely pointless. The game also never foreshadowed that at any point in time.
>>4084605I'd rather have a bishop than a stationary organ the game punishes you for trying to play.
>>4084603No, see he needs the context. Weird Route means nothing if Normal Route doesnt exist. Its like contrasting colors, you might want to make an Orange character, but you need Blue if you want the Orange to actually stand out.That's all the rest of the game is, an obligation. The dream doesnt mean anything without a game to attach itself to
>>4084601>https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/chapter5/>there aren’t any more Chapters where we focus on goofy, attention-hungry Darkner characters with the potential to win weird popularity contests. But, thinking about the structure of the story, I think it was the perfect spot to do it one more time.>>4084602>GersonThere was almost nothing besides him and he only shows/is referenced up half of the time in 4.>>4084600I'd have been fine with the game taking that path later on if we had got at least two more chapters doing the sort of shit 2 did before that point.
>>4084597then that means this entire journey was a waste of everyone's time if all he wanted was to show off the ending, he should've made a shorter game focusing on that aspect he's obsessed with instead he's roped everyone into this rigamaroll and clearly expected everyone to just be ok with him not actually saying anything about anything for the majority of the game until he got to his payoff too bad people don't like that, and can be very vocal about it
>>4084608>attention-hungry Darkner characters with the potential to win weird popularity contestsholy shit he is so fucking mad
>>4084602He didn't even say that either. The definition was very specific and focused only on a single character archetype (Queen, Tenna and Flowery.)>Anyway, there aren’t any more Chapters where we focus on goofy, attention-hungry Darkner characters with the potential to win weird popularity contests.
>>4084604Candle with that blurb about them not liking Simon Belmonts wandering through in their recruit bioMight have some features of the dead lightners in the church's graveyard since it has that "wags its tail" and "tilts its head like a bird" combat text
>>4084608Funny how we quote the same thing... You still directly misread it...>>4084610Do you have a low-functioning strain of autism or something? Are you under the impression that Toby Fox is mad at his own characters?
>>4084612>Candle with that blurb about them not liking Simon Belmonts wandering through in their recruit bioWhy is there not a Guei under Jackenstein's pumpkin head then?
>>4084614mad at the fan reaction they got
>>4084616You have autism.
>>4084615That's some little moogle thing under his head, I'd guess a ghost decoration inside the pumpkin in the closet
>>4084614I'm under the impression that he's too lazy to do anything with them. The only thing queen has done after coming to castle town is groom a teenager into being gay.
>>4084617Yeah, you dont?
>>4084611>a single character archetypeThat's EXACTLY the type of character we're talking about.EVERY area in UT was centered around that sort of character except for the True Lab, and even that was one huge backstory dump for Alphys and Flowey and some NPCs.Chapters 2 had several of these. That's just the brand the series had for nearly a decade.I'm not looking forward to play something as boring as the third sanctuary again for an entire chapter.
>>4084619>beingSusie was already gay with Kris.
I just finished watching What if Susie OverswungNow THAT'S how you make an actual off-the-rails second route. Toby, take notes
>>4084615You store your fake jack-o-lanterns with candles inside? I've only ever heard of the candles being replaced when it's time to use them. I took Jackenstein's appearance as a plastic jack-o-lantern put on top of another decoration to save space.
>>4084622Kris is male.
>>4084623buy an ad
>>4084616...So i see you are retarded.Toby Fox has written whole fanfictions for when his characters won the tumblr sexyman competitions. Does this strike you as getting mad at the concept of people liking his characters?>>4084621That... also isn't what Toby Fox is talking about. Gerson does not really have the "potential to win weird popularity contests". This line alone (which is obviously representing the tumblr sexyman competitions) makes it a very specific archetype.
>>4084624Yeah I'd be guessing it's an electric candle or some other LED light inside of him since he's just a stored Halloween decoration
>>4084626Buy me one Toby
>>4084624>You store your fake jack-o-lanterns with candles inside?Well he does literally have a candle-thing under his head
>>4084549Guys imagine if we had a dark world that takes place in Kris' homeThat cage will be a schizo character. That's what Kris uses to keeps us there. It appeared in the prophecy. We may get our vessel earlier than we thought
>>4084627You're talking to two different people here.Anon I just want more Papyrus segments with new characters that's all.
>>4084630who tf finds this funny
>>4084631Anon you should've known that Kris' door was closed... The cage couldn't have shown up...
>>4084631Hold on, is THIS is why there are so many gouldem sams in TV world?
>>4084634Me.
>>4084634edgy children who make romhacks where the mc is le heckin murderer and the villain calls you a faggotim not just ripping on toby jackenstein is literally based on the joke he makes at the very end of halloween hack
>>4084635What's the Green Room?
>>4084639which is?
>>4084641A ghost flies into Varik's hotel room and farts on him, and it uses the same speech quirk as jackenstein described as a "Scairy" ghost
>>4084640>kris's bedroom becomes the green room>toriel's bedroom is nowhere mentioned>couch or carpet becomes the cliffs>bathroom becomes board 2 and an unseem mentioned area>kitches becomes ???????>fridge is moved near the front door for some reasonI wish I could comprehend the thought process behind everything in chapter 3
>>4084438The Prisoner if it was an anime. Every episode is basically a new playthrough, and a failed attempt to get out of the confinement of Deltarune.>Where am I?IN HOMETOWN>What do you want?MY DELTARUNE>Whose side are you on?THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. I WANT DELTARUNE... DELTARUNE... DELTARUNE!!!>You won't get it!BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, I WILL.>Who are you?THE NEW ROYAL SCIENTIST.>Who's your King?YOU ARE THE KNIGHT.>I AM NOT A NPC, I AM A FREE MAN!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4084643green room seems the likeliest candidate for the kitchen imo
>>4084645the green room references the starts and the beds from the bedroom, the s rank room might be shelves on kris side tooI really don't get why the concept behind the dark worlds changed so hard after 2
>>4084645The green room is pretty explicitly Kris' bedroom>Two couches on either side, left is green is cared for while right is gray and unkempt>Ramb's shop is inbetween both and literally a window in the wall>When Susie is playing with Ralsei while Kris is doing s-rank stuff, she uses the tv on the left side of the room, which would line up with Asriel's computer
>>4084642Incredible stuff
>>4084643The fridge isn't near the front door, the front door is cracked open, a draft is coming in.
>>4084649then why all the snow and heavy doors there?
>>4084647Oh hey actually that's the joke of why we can't see what the fuck that racing game is about, it's Asriel's computer and Kris doesn't want us seeing that in ANY form.
>>4084651But you can win it! I think it's also a joke since we have a view of everything from the sky so we can't actually see that screen.
>>4084646>I really don't get why the concept behind the dark worlds changed so hard after 2Because chapter 3 was the first dark world taking place in more than one light world room. The computer lab is self contained and only loosely reflects the shape of cyber world, just like card kingdom's resemblance to the classroom rides on the fact that the same things are arranged in a roughly similar order left to right. I never expected dark worlds to be an exact layout match with representation of all corners of a multiscreen environment.
>>4084591If I would do the same to fuck with you in particular, faggot.
>>4084616Toby loves when his characters win Tumblr Sexyman contests.
>>4084653>only loosely reflects the shape of cyber worldgreen carpet with cables > table with computers > the closet or cabinet on the backThere you have it.And chapter 3 could have easily done it by having each side of the house be a different show set, but OF COURSE the entire chapter had to be centered on a single thing under Asriel's bed instead.I admit 4 was mostly 1:1, it simply didn't do much (and outright avoid doing like Tao demonstrates), 5 is really weird because the locations feel backwards from what you see there.
>>4084544No bite? Okay fine i'll write about it.>The grand photos seemingly foreshadow future chapters>A FLOWER TORN IN HALF>TAKE 3 GRAND PHOTOS TO REACH THE OCEAN (The Depths)>"NEXT DOOR" likely means the Holiday residence. The Holiday residence is next door to Kris' house, Noelle's theme is "Girl next door", Basically everything in the game points to the Holiday residence even outside of this.>The GREEN GEYSER likely represents a fountain, being opened from the earth, but...>GEYSER is exclusively used to refer to the fountain in castle town. There is not a single line calling another fountain a "Geyser".>This suggests Geysers specifically being fountains of "pure darkness" as Ralsei calls it.>When lancer digs up the "Green Geyser", he opens it from below the earth. The depths if you will.>If fountains are regularly opened from above, then this would imply Geysers are opened from the opposite direction via the Depths.>Carol's basement plays smile.ogg connecting to the depths, and is the furthest down the Holiday residence gets.>Having established this, there will likely be a fountain of pure darkness opened in the Holiday Residence's basement.>Maybe these "Geysers" are green specifically?>Also to establish a direct connection between Chapter 2 and 6, Queen's (Carol) Mansion (The holiday residence) has an enormous lake of [Burning Acid] that powers the area, and the acid is FUCKING GREEN.
>>4084635Green Room is his room.
>>4084657>green carpet with cables > table with computers > the closet or cabinet on the backYou were heading predominantly right your entire time in the cyber world and some up. How did you get to the top left of the room? Card kingdom was laid out correctly.>the entire chapter had to be centered on a single thing under Asriel's bed?????
>>4084654I'm not paying for your shit
>>4084660You're gonna be pedantic about the orientation of objects to defend the paid chapter outright ignoring several things present in the dark worlds? That could be simply a matter of camera orientation.>?????Interesting how a MANTLEfag like you wouldn't remember there is a cartridge of Cat Petters RPG under Asriel's bed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfbnYZ7YjGwIts over, DR is officially bad
>>4084669Aw come on, I thought the fennekinfag had finally uploaded.
>>4084658I'm not following you, explain further.
>>4084673What's confusing you here?
>>4084674Everything, what exactly is the point you're making here?
>>4084411>toby understandsDoes he though
>>4084676>EverythingThat doesn't really help>what exactly is the point you're making here?Chapter 6 will take place in Carol's mansion. There will be a fountain in the basement. The fountain is a fountain of pure darkness like in castletown. The fountain is probably opened from the depths which is what is implied from the lancer digging scene. The "green" part of "green geyser" connects it to chapter 2 and queen's mansion via battery acid.
>>4084658
>>4084666>the paid chapter outright ignoring several things present in the dark worldsOh my god, you're splitting hairs over the fact that the first dark world in an environment we saw first in the light world wasn't accurate enough. Now it makes sense.>a MANTLEfag like you???????Because I don't think chapter 3 was spitting in my face by not letting me into Toriel's room or whatever?
>>4084669The guy is right. Deltarune's RPG combat system is dogshit.
>>4084679Ok, that cleared things up, thanks.
I can't wait for Noelle to use the Uno reverse card on us in 7B.
>>4084682It's the fucking premise. We saw 1 and 2's DWs line up almost perfectly with the real rooms, spent 3 years curious to know what the cactus and the dragon book and the shit Susie was watching on TV was going to show up there, and this is what we got instead.>I don't think chapter 3 was spitting in my face* (You opened the drawer and looked at How to Draw Dragons.)* (The cover's inappropriately dressed purple dragon stares back at you.)* (... even though there was a Dark World in your house...)* (... you didn't seem to meet a Darkner based on this object.)* (...)* (You scholarly contemplated this for an overly long period of time.)* (You knew that you shouldn't.)* (You opened the drawer and shut it. Some things should stay closed.)* (Cactus. A lone bud is blooming.)
>>4084686(She doesn't know she's getting USED UP two seconds later)
>>4084669Oh man I love autistic shit like this, gonna get comfy
>>4084686She's getting used up
>>4084688>>4084690(you) will be used up
>>4084686I wish Noelle gets used up 5 minutes into 7B just to watch /v/ loose it lmao
>>4084692Kris will be USED UP*
>>4084694>TOBY HATES ME AND USED UP NOELLE BECAUSE HE PERSONALLY WANTED TO HURT ME
>>4084699The point of the weird route will be that self inserting into vidya romance is bad or whatever
is it weird i felt aroused while playing the weird route? (mostly on the noelle's house scene)
>>4084669>more than 2 hours long gimme the tldw. you faggots tricked me into watching that fennekin vid and it was pure ragebait slop.
>>4084686WR is clearly (you)elle and krisellers use this to cope. it's fine. they can have it.
>>4084686Noelle will be the Flowey of Deltarune, by this I mean she will die while crying and begging for mercy.
>>4084687>We saw 1 and 2's DWs line up almost perfectly with the real rooms,Seeing a dark world before the real room makes that very different.>You scholarly contemplated this for an overly long period of time.>"thank fuck, if Susie had seen a Darkner based on that I'd have to kill myself on the spot"That was not an attack on me.
>>4084703Im 20 minutes in but basically he autistically goes through the mechanics pros and cons in depth
>>4084702>Noelle house sceneNo it's completely normal.
>>4084658Chapter 6 vesselbros... We keep winning...>BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WE WILL BE TAKING [ A Ride around Town on Our Specil Cungadero]>VACATIONING IN [Burning acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked].
>>4084686This is going to age wonderfully when she gets used up.
>>4084706>Seeing a dark world before the real room makes that very different.Yeah, it makes really awkward when the author can't bother following up on his own set up.>>"thank fuck, if Susie had seen a Darkner based on that I'd have to kill myself on the spot"Amazing, you actually thought of a great scene that could have happened in TV world. It would have been hilarious.
>Oh man I can't for Kris and Noelle to explore the depths and the Meat Factory because Side B is all about Krisel-
>>4084701King of ero games my ass. How dare you.
i get the feeling some of you unironically hate noelle
>>4084709....By "chapter 6 vesselbros" i mean me and exclusively me.
>>4084714I love her but Side B Noelle is built for suffering I'm afraid.
>>4084714a lot of people don't want noelle to actually be important that's why there's such a push for her to die in 7b or be otherwise 'used up'same reason why they hate noelle knight and noelle angel, really
>>4084714I hate susie. I hate most of the characters because they don't care about the danger written all over their religion that they've know their entire lives or that people are going missing.
>>4084712I'm all in on acquiring the vessel in 7B, but I don't think there's gonna be a first haf of the chapter where we are still with Kris and probably Noelle too, it won't be until later until we actually switch over to the vessel, I think it would be a waste to have Noelle and Kris be used up right away, much more interesting to stretch out their suffering.
>* Huh... what could be in here...?>* Maybe like... a secret guy?>* Perhaps... a brand new friend?>* Hello...? Anyone in here?>* Bet you it's someone mega strong.>* Ooh, perhaps with a unique and memorable theme!This shit straight up destroyed most of the enjoyment I could have from Pink as a character.It's like if the Chapter 1 had lines about "I hope there is a very strong skeleton there!" before the Jevil fight.
>>4084721That was so strange, what was the intent exactly? it isn't funny it's just awkward as hell
>>4084721Filtered I'm afraid.
>>4084714It was completely normal to dislike Noelle before chapter 5.
>>4084714She's the most tolerable party member at this point, but I just don't see a good ending for her in 7B, so I don't see much point in getting too attached.
>>4084714I don't get wanting Noelle to die because i find Noelle's weird route characterization very interesting and entertaining, and i'd like to actually see them actually finish their character arc.
>>4084723Finished products should not have filters.
>>4084714I don't hate her but i find her unbelievably boring. The game slows down to a crawl any time she's on screen
>>4084714Only now?I've said multiple times here I'm looking forward to watching all the main party die more than anything else by this point in the game. I don't even care if my save files become le souless or whatever.
>>4084721Nothing weird from a chapter that is largely toying with anime tropes.
>>4084722>what was the intent exactly?fuck you for daring to care about my lore focused characters and calling the jevil motif something before i did
>>4084728Boring? Even on the WR?
>>4084409>Objective evilLiterally no such thing.
>>4084726There's just lots of tragic potential in having Noelle think she's finally managing to break free before finally revealing that she's just getting used by a different entity, and getting used up after that.
>>4084714chapter 5 Noelle is talking about how she basically despises everyone in town besides (you). how can I hate someone so lovely?
>>4084722>what was the intent exactly?The intent was to take a piss on crazy fans who were looking forward for more characters like Jevil and Spamton. Just like it already happened through Ramb, the Mikes, the Trashy Trio, the Mikes showing up in the Trashy Trio fight, who knows if I missed an example.
>>4084718People use this same argument but for the Soul instead, they want the Soul to not actually be imporant at all and just be a tool for Noelle and Kris to get their happy ending, and nothing more.
>>4084734Even if this was what you want theres ways to do this without her dying on the first <30 minutes of chapter 7B
>>4084736Because she didn't wait to go to festival with me
>>4084730It's an anime trope for the characters to make a reference to fans expecting a very specific character archetype established in Deltarune chapters 1 and 2?
>>4084729they honestly deserve it by this point. toby trying to give the NPCs more freedom at expense of the player's autonomy is a bad move and is making people consider the "evil" route as the more viable one
>>4084738they're wrong toothe soul is very important to deltarune, it's arguably the reason why the game is even happening in the first place, even if inadvertently
>>4084730This joke makes no sense if you didn't do any of the other secret bosses
>>4084739Well I don't think Noelle and Kris are getting used up right away, I something about that here >>4084720
>>4084714>some of youVesselfags
>>4084736*besides Kris
Chapter 5 really needed a Rouxls Kaard's subplot and fight.
>>4084742she gave susie, the biggest NPC in hometown, a pity date and now (you) and noelle are going to save the world together. that's plenty romantic anon.
>>4084750This but unironically
>>4084714Imagine if Noelle finally notices all of the horrors in the depths and starts crying>NOOOOO I don't want this anymore>I wanna go back hime KrisAnd then she just dies there.Too bad that's obviously never happening, would be too rewarding for doing the evil route.
>>4084750rouxls shitting on all the romance subplots in ch5 by being the designated ugly bastard could've saved ch5 imo
I don't give a SHIT about genoslides in hometown. I want to go to the gaster dimension and see all the weird shit there.
>>4084714I liked her until ch5bitch be craycray
>>4084749by noelle's own dialogue she calls old kris boring by bringing up how they recently changed. kris didnt change at all. that's all (you) baby. you've already lost krisellers give up like the krusie fellows.
>>4084752>he thinks I was being ironic
>>4084755You will do that, then you will go back to hometown and genoslide your way to the shelter, so that you can finally [REDACTED]
>>4084751Should have told her to date a boy
>>4084750I'm gonna make a counterpoint: this chapter was already crowded with characters and Toby is too deep into minigame gimmick bullshit to care about things like story pacing. It was for the best for Rouxls to stay behind.Now, the 3rd sanctuary could have really used a Cardinal Rouxls fight for some variety and as comedic relief.
>>4084755You can do both.
>>408472890% of her popularity is her great design
>>4084714people are afraid of continuing to corrupt noelle so they cope by deluding themselves into thinking that noelle will die 5 seconds into chapter 7B so that they feel like they won't have to mash proceed or tell her to snowgrave enemies left and right ever again
>>4084757her being dead inside started when dess left some part of her clearly still cherishes her life before that, including kris
>>4084755samedogmatic mantlefags are the embodiment that one meme of dr fans going "but what if the game sucked ass"
>>4084517You have chosento DOUBLE the frame rate
>>4084754you say as if blue wouldn't be into it lmao
>>4084421>real-edgyBecause Susie bled one time? Wolverine is more edgy lmao.
>>4084764She'll die an hour in but not after making a bit of snow in the depths.
>>4084759The gaster dimension is cooler and you can do considerably more interesting things there by every metric. Also the depths is already going to be sufficiently explored by side A with the shelter as the big endgame dungeon.
>>4084766The game will never show the darkner for the cactus in Kris's house, and you cheered.The game does that without me even trying.
>>4084770what if noelle exploded into a snowstorm
>>4084438Scifi, it's a virtual sim with time travel.
Rouxls wasn't allowed into Chapter 5 for his own safety as Yellow would have erased him out of existence for even daring to look at Blue.
>>4084773Could very well happen. Perhaps her getting used up is using every ounce of her power to get rid of whatever threats there are, with the side effect of her dying in the process.
>>4084773That would be a cool visual.If Noelle explodes into a snowstorm when USED UP what about Kris.
>>4084775rouxls kaard is shayy pilled would have tried to groom aqua
>>4084756but that's what makes her so goodhttps://youtu.be/ZeExZ-VPyCg
>>4084751Save the world by skipping the shelter codes and ignoreing the knight and diving into a lake? Good one.
>>4084778Aqua would have raped him.
>>4084775Rouxls wasn't allowed in chapter 5 because he'd do an extremely racist stereotypical asian accent while squinting his eyelids.
>>4084750>>4084761imagine how cool it would've been to have lancer and aqua interactions or scenes where rouxls serves as a babysitter for seth and aqua, or scenes where rouxls tries flirting with blue and gets arrested, or scenes where rouxls ends up kicked out of the flower cafe by green, or even a scene where rouxls tries to appeal to flowery and asgore but gets ignored
>>4084779I just find it cringeoooh Im secretly an edgy teenager oooh I want to break free and stay up after dark and watch scary movies past my bedtime mommy Im so mature ooohmeh
>>4084694You will start 7B with her already being dust.
>>4084470>>4084477It's not that UT/DR is actually edgy, it's that things are so sanitized that it looks edgy in comparison.
>>4084783>ArrestedYou mean executed on the spot?
>>4084714I just hate shipfags and she has to die to kill them off.
>>4084784>He doesn't appreciate chuunibyou kino
>>4084776She died in an empty hallway opening a door lmao
>>4084765obviously but the fact of the matter is that new/changed Kris = player Kris. Old Kris is just along for the ride
>>4084470Who let the leftists into the industry.
>>4084781>"ooo? is this plap game? i wanna play too!">aqua jumps away from rouxls, comes face to face with kris>"Wanna play plap game? it's fun! but that blue guy is boring... i enjoyed our fight earlier, you know, so i know you'll make this interesting...">aqua reveals eye>"for me."
>>4084757>she calls old kris boringNo, Noelle doesn't like the CURRENT Kris, who has distanced himself from her. She likes the old Kris. That's the reason she started crying when Kris came to see her without us between Chapters 3 and 4.
Post your reaction when she was used up is actually completely metaphorical and shes fine for the entire chapter
>>4084794>>aqua reveals eye>>"for me."she truly is one of the genosliders of all time
>>4084705I don't think soShe seemed like she was prepared to die if the lake skip failed
>>4084796Make Toby be used up in real life.
>>4084705Good fucking riddance. Flowey destroyed the one way out into the surface, the weed deserved to be lit on fire.
>>4084780misdirections and illusions of carol's masterminded plan mr. anderson keeping up from getting to the true heart of deltarune. i know you want freedom
>>4084796>is actually completely metaphorical and shes fine for the entire chapterI guess she is just gone emotionally. Meh.This does makes me wonder if killing Susie and Ralsei in MANTLE was also metaphoric. Maybe ditching them both in 5 was what it really meant, and they just never show up or get mentioned again.
>>4084492Especially with shit like ch5 where they're like OMEGA OMEGA OMEGA OMEGA which was never Flowey's official powered up title, it was "photoshop Flowey" unofficially but deemed "Omega Flowey" by the fans. It's like if for DR's sequel Toby was like "this story was promised to me 3000 years ago in a dream" but one chapter has characters being like "yeah I'm a krisellecel in the middle of my Snowgrave Route" despite it having been called Weird.
>>4084796Top ten things that will never happen.
>>4084796>Post your reaction when she was used up is actually completely metaphorical and shes fine for the entire chapterTo be honest, I wouldn't be surprised. I've always thought that it's not that straightforward.
>>40844974 had the right balance of story and memes, 5 is wildly out of balance where WR is the story and NR is 10 hours of memes.
>>4084798her intention wasn't suicide, why would she want to die when she wanted to break free and see something new?the whole prepared to die was just incase it failed, but it wasn't her intention to die
>>4084796I'd cook in celebration and laugh at the self-inserting vesselfags.
>>4084800there's probably some other boss monster in a retirement home anyways
>>4084807>4 had the right balance of story and memes1 is the one with the right balance. 4 is severely lacking in memes.
>>4084803>OMEGA which was never Flowey's official powered up title, it was "photoshop Flowey" unofficially but deemed "Omega Flowey" by the fans"Photoshop Flowey" comes from a (forced imo) reading of the credits and nowhere else.The game files give us "Flowey X".I think some details of the game were written or changed at some later point, but the main thrust of Deltarune is still as it was in the dream.
>>4084514>click Nice Bones>none of the choices matter, Sans appears behind you and instagibs you no matter what you pickGet dunked on.
Post your reaction for 7B when Papyrus shows up and is revealed to be in charge of the meat factory
>>4084816
>>4084800Oh, I thought most of you neutraltards swore up and down that you got out of the underground in the ending.
>>4084810Bro almost all Krisellefags are self-inserters.
>>4084515>how Toby reacts to fan expectations.This shit is why it should have just released all at once>>4084526You don't care about any relationship that isn't Kris and a female character.
>>4084795ahem as per the game dialogue itself...* But Kris... you changed.* Kris, YOU actually changed!* You found out how to stop being Kris!* And no one else has noticed...* Because they don't want to!* They don't want to see how INTERESTING you are now!sounds to me she didn't like the old Kris either
>>4084818You do. The game denies you this in the genocide route for no good reason.
>>4084818You do in neutral, though. He's talking about genocide.
>>4084544I didn't realize it healed you on my first playthrough, I assumed Susie was just doing a bit
>>4084822>For no good reasonIf you get out you're gonna kill everything else
>>40848121 is way too short and silly. You're told about this grand destiny but it couldn't feel further away for basically the whole time, even fighting King felt like it was basically a play and nothing to do with the real plot.
>>4084825No guarantee I'm gonna kill any humans. Maybe I only hate monsters.
>>4084686Great. My thesis is that no true romance can happen when someone is watching.
>>4084825Chara already kills everyone anyways.
>>4084822>>4084825You destroy the world at the end of genocide anyways so it doesn't really matter.
>>4084583>Every major antagonist and side character you met got to be important in some way later.So just like Deltarune?
>>4084514>>4084516https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luFIPQTyvdMthe battle would be harder if it was solid bones btw
>>4084826Being short isn't an issue. All the later chapters are long for the wrong reasons.
>>4084827>>No guarantee I'm gonna kill any humans. Maybe I only hate monsters.
>>4084822>>4084823>you get out in neutralHow? You see Asgore's soul shatter even if Flowey is dead, don't you? And you definitely can't get out on your first try.>for no good reasonlol lmao. You only get out in pacifist.
>>4084830It matters to me. I didn't want to destroy the world, I wanted to kill the monsters who wanted to start another war and leave.
>>4084829>>4084830Well Flowey couldn't know that could he.
>>4084836you can do a no mercy neutral run too
>>4084834The Soul will drop this line against Gaster in 7B screencap this.
>>4084831>So just like Deltarune?>lancer and rouxls last seem doing anything substantial in 3>king still in his cuck cell>queen fucking around in castle town (actually funny)>tenna written to not matter if he is in castle town or not>gerson is likely never going to show up again>same for the flowers except just maybe flowery
>>4084836Too bad. By believing you needed to exterminate every possible monster to resolve the underground, you enacted a route that was destructive to more than just monsters.
>>4084840his idea of "important" means the castle town npcs brawling the knight off-screen before getting instaswooned
>>4084833Because the characters actually talk about the light world and overarching goals, and don't get completely lost in the fantasy until the end?
>>4084596We hate Pink in these threads
>>4084596We love Pink in these threads
>>4084626Sorry that being on topic triggers you.
>>4084596We're ambivalent about Pink in these threads.
>>4084843The overarching goals you cant do anything to progress?
>>4084836>I wanted to kill the monsters who wanted to start another war and leave.Congrats! You did.
>>4084851Papyrus king ending where you kill flowery is the best ending. If you don't touch your file again, flowey stays dead.
>>4084849We're neutral on these things.
>>40848124 was great for the gameplay focus, same with 5 and 3.
>>4084812The whole section in noelles house was a meme
>>4084855CoL, what happens in your version of chapter 4?
>>4084855>third wheeling for your shit friends while the protagonist spergs out again various timesthis is so tiring
>>4084852yup, its one of the best pragmatic possible endings for undertale>drunk bitch known as toriel wont be able to burn children in an attempt to scare them into staying with her anymore>Undyne's extremist anti-human beliefs wont infect the underground with super racism that would lead to monsterkind exterminating humanity in the future>alphys gets what she deserves for ruining multiple monster families instead of getting off scotfree>mettaton doesnt get to become a tyrannous king who brainwashes people and makes the opposition disappear>papyrus gets a status higher than a royal guard, can potentially be friends with other rich high status snobby monsters, and doesnt have to deal with a shitty "friend" who infantilizes him and cant even muster up the will to tell him that she wont let him in to the royal guard for being autistic and nice, too bad that his own brother cant die too because he's also guilty of not treating papyrus like an actual adult, just tell him the truth ffs.>also king papyrus means he wont commit super human genocide when monsterkind escapes the underground so infinite peace for monsterkind
DR is the story of a young non-binary individual who witnessed Chara destroy the world and after the world was brought back, they'll do anything they can to save it. Even if it means betraying their friends.
>>4084858>Implying Monsters will ever get out in any ending other than True Pacifist lol, lmao.
>>4084856not him but here is the mikefag tm hot fix for chapter 4>swap it around with 5>introduce a bishop boss and storyline>make miss mizzle equivalents for the other elemental enemies and scatter then as minibosses in 2nd and 3rd sanctuaries>cardinal rouxls somewhere>more actual gags with gerson>gerson gives actual advice to kris and ralsei too>gerson is a full party fight>gerson let's you see his spare meterthere, not perfect but considerably better
>>4084653>chapter 3 was the first dark world taking place in more than one light world roomChapter 1 tho
>>4084860it's better to keep them trapped since they won't destroy humanity, so anything is better than unfiltered true pacifist ending, but at least you can ensure that they won't destroy 8 billion humans by helping papyrus reach absolute royal power
>>4084864Chapter 1 has one dark world per room.
>>4084865I would give Papyrus the six humans souls if he asked kindly.
>>4084821>sounds to me she didn't like the old Kris eitherAnon, she literally started crying from happiness when "old Kris" came back.
>>4084686Krusiefags when they realize Krisellechads aren't getting cucked like them
>>4084865But we can see that monsters get out and don't destroy humanity in true pacifist.
kissing spiders
>>4084869I wouldn't be so sure.
>>4084719Huh kind of like the real life rapture
>>4084721UT/DR have always been pretty meta, you're crying about this when they literally acknowledge the pause menu earlier in the chapter
>>4084832I don't think Sans can make them solid and make them do damage as well.
>>4084870it's a matter of time before an asshole monster (like muffet or any of the 200 CORE mercenaries or any other off-screen monster) decides to snatch a human soul and suddenly the surface is plunged into chaos and billions of humans die
>>4084876Toby says it's the happiest outcome so that will probably never happen.
>>4084835Flowey drags Frisk out after their fight, and all monsters including himself treat it as if she isn't in the underground. The room after the Flowey fight is the room beyond the barrier you see at the end of pacifist, too, implying Frisk is on the other side.
>>4084876By that logic humans should also be locked up and nobody should have the surface.>but I'm a humanAnd?
>>4084874The only times Undertale had directly acknowledged its fandom was the two furry/toriel porn remarks there. Otherwise it was only jokes about the genre or fandom culture in general (which I sometimes think it's obnoxious to be honest).Those quotes are just the game boasting about how it won't give you that cool thing you expected, get Mad Dummy reheated for the second time instead.
>>4084878The phone wouldn't be able to get a call from within the barrier if it had gotten past the barrier, would it?
>>4084869Noelle has been lusting over Susie in all chapters and even on weird went to the festival with her.
>>4084882Nothing says it wouldn't, especially when it's a one off call that is implied it's hard to get, too.
>>4084728*any time she and Susie are on screen>>4084746>it doesn't make sense if I played the game wrong on purpose
>>4084868new evidence is presented and the character changes their opinion. that was then and wr chapter 5 and beyond is now. no more yous
I wanna lock pink into a bottle and fill it with my cum
>>4084884Actually, Sans doesn't act like he's getting any responses on that call, when normally those would be assumed to happen but just not written out. Are we sure Frisk actually answered? Is the issue that the phone is stuck clipped into the barrier or something?
>>4084757This is why I don't take Krisellef inserters seriously. They want a Noelle that likes Kris because of years of shared history, then they want to interpret forcing Kris to force Noelle to hurt others as an objectively good thing using outside logic that Noelle doesn't have a concept of yet, and they want her positive feelings to be attributed to the soul that they self insert as which has only been the player's will for the past few days. You're like women who want to slide into a man's life after he's done all the hard work and can provide for you and everything.
>>4084775He only did that to get in with Tenna, ch5 Rooksels would cozy up to Flowery or Asgore depending on who he thinks is the master of the realm.
>>4084794She would want Rouxls more because he's actually a good lay unlike Kris
>>4084883>even on weird went to the festival with her.Yeah. To write Kris's name in a romantic game for couples.
>>4084843>the fantasyIt's real.
>>4084895actually this makes me wonder, if toby shows the results of this the next day (lol) then drowned route might actually show itbut nah, he will probably make some joke character like jockinton win instead
>>4084865What part of society would suffer if all monsters died?
>>4084899doekissers
>>4084881>you're right but it doesn't count because my feelingsOk.
What are some ways Tobasco betrayed you, personally?
>>4084904ruining my madgore ship by having pink kiss kris
>>4084904he vagueposted past the half way point if you have nothing to say, what's the point of speaking?
>>4084904all I wanted was at least for asgore to be important and the chapter actually focus on him, but all he did was vaguepost and then get kidnapped afterwards
Since Boss Monsters can't die until they have offspring, it's possible to just keep cutting parts off Toriel to eat
>>4084908no, they just don't age, but they can still be killed
>>4084905Stepmoms kiss their stepkids on the cheek sometimes
>>4084908They don't age, they're not immortal
>>4084904I just want him to stop with Rouxls trying to get into everyone's pants nowadays it's so laaaaame
>>4084913Alright *stops including Rouxls scenes*
ERAM is impossible to beat, I'm afraid to say. It's just the way the game is built.
>>4084914That's fine too
>>4084915you can hit him when he's doing his meteor attack
>>4084915He's oddly difficult for a developer that was delusional enough to think "chapter 5 might be the first time anybody's ever played a platformer"
>>4084895if it magically turns out the Susie and Noelle are the winning couple I'll accept brainwashing theory
>>4084918weird route/shadow crystals clearly has the training wheels off
>>4084895kriselle forever. she should have showed susie how much she loves her boye
>>4084096to be fair that's kind of the point, and I think that's the hook to get you into weird route. I also think it's why noelle takes command in 5.Regardless of how it ends, Noelle and most players are in the same boat of believing that they can somehow find something better on the other side. Maybe there is, maybe we open up 7b and she's dead. We gamble on our ending because we believe
>>4084889I'm pretty sure Sans always says he's just going to leave a message, so it's implied he left it on voice mail rather than a normal call and we're just listening to it.
>>4084910stepmons want to date their stepsons too?don't answer
>>4084921that's been an annoying mentality since undertalethe game is 90% piss easy and then it gets obnoxiously hard for the evil route fightsi wish we got more middle difficulty fights
>>4084931Parents entertain the "I want to marry mommy/daddy when I grow up!" delusions of their children.
>>4084933that's quite the freudian faceplant anon
>>4084910fucked up that your world when your possible step mom is not only part high school magical girl but also your dad's neighbor who he hasn't talked to
>>4084920>I'll accept brainwashing theoryYou can confidently accept this theory now because Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. If the prophecy is capable of teleporting Kris and Noelle out of the lake and fixing the timeline, what's stopping it from influencing the characters?
>>4084937fucked up that I can't type properly either
>>4084932What do you even consider a mid difficulty fight in UT/DR
>>4084669about 1/4th of the way it and it's glaringly obvious that the act system was shoved into the game with zero regard for balance or thematic relevance, more so than i rememberi think pacifying was the original intent, but tobias got a fat head after undertale and figured no one would give a shit if deltarune wasn't undertale 2
>>4084939i think the prophecy can force people into a role they weren't originally supposed to be if the intended person cannot for whatever reasonsusie was supposed to be the 'dragon', but is no longer that kris was supposed to be the second hero, but is presently taking the role of the cage since susie is available, she has now taken up that role and reality is forcing itself to adhere to that, even if it doesn't make any sense
>>4084943Muffet, Mettaton Ex and Asgore in UT, Tenna in DR, but all in the lower end.Spamton NEO normal in the exact middle of mid difficulty.Aqua solo and Axis from UTY in the upper end of mid difficulty.
>>4084937Together they make one woman with BPD
>>4084943Sans, Roaring Knight, Jevil, Pink, ERAM
>>4084952what do you and Kris make?
>>4084954A normal autist
>>4084945I think Susie still is "the dragon" and it's an important mention that "the dragon" doesn't seem to feature as a character past the first chapter of Lord of the Hammer, and more specifically Gerson brings up "the dragon" as a Dragon Blazers character after the games changed details from Lord of the Hammer, which itself changed details from the prophecyOut of the prophecy itself I think "at last, the girl" and "the second hero. the girl," are separate characters and Susie is the fourth, not just because "at last" is identified with a Rude Buster logo but also because Susie seems to be a stand-in or patsy for part of the prophecy
>>4084953rory, jevil, and pink (mean) are high difficulty tbf
>>4084875if you get crushed by solid bones it's gonna hurt
>>4084877subjective>>4084879humans didn't exterminate monsterkind, monsters could've been all killed but we gave them a safe home where they wouldn't be able to kill humankind while also having habitats so that any monster would live happy and healthy, and their response is to plot 7 human murders and be hyped to kill over 8 billion people? keeping monsters locked up was the safest option for both sides (no monster massacre and no chance of a super human genocide) and yet they wanted war anyways, they chose to do this the hard way
what are the species relations like between humans and monsters in dr?is there still a power gap?
>>4084972Humans appear to still have some indefatigable power that monsters don't, monsters have magic, these differences are most pronounced in the dark world since magic doesn't exist in the light world (that we know about), quite probably DETERMINATION is still a function of the human soul between Queen calling the power to create a dark fountain as such and Kris's ability to use save pointsHumans apparently aren't seen as strange beyond the cultural/physical differences by monsters and Toriel being completely clueless about how to raise a human child, Kris isn't ostracized for being a human in a monster town
>>4084957There's also the fact that apparently according to Alvin/Gerson some parts of the prophesy are lost and we don't know what we don't know about it.
>>4084954Super autist.
>>4084514>select meaner bones>chara kisses you in the endingnow that's what i'm talking about!
>>4084973Susie made a fountain in 4
>>4084972We don't know, before any answers could be clarified the library was closed off, and there was a whole chapter that may be implying that Kris isn't human at all.
>>4084978Susie also bleeds, something monsters DO NOT do even within the context of Deltarune
>>4084980>something monsters DO NOT do even within the context of Deltarunefanon
>Thought Asgore was going to go insane because of his black shardMan...
>>4084982He was going to trap himself in a dark world, but that completely sailed over people's heads trying to recontextualize their preconceived notions about how the plot is going.
>>4084981>>4084980it is unconfirmed, just like toby has been vagueposting for the last 8 yearsinb4 the one thing clarified in 6 is the monster bleeding thing
>>4084970>they chose to do this the hard wayDEPLOY THE TACTICAL MURDERCHILD
>>4084981That was a pretty fucking suspicious amount of time spent on showing that Susie had blood in Chapter 4 and there sure is dialogue about how Kris having blood and being made of flesh is an oddity to monsters that don't already know him, and dialogue about monsters turning to dust on death like they do in UndertaleThere's more evidence monsters follow Undertale's rules for their physicality and Susie is something very strange than there is counterevidence that the one kid monster in Hometown confused about blood just has dementia
>>4084978Half human.
>>4084970>we gave them a safe home where they wouldn't be able to kill humankind while also having habitats so that any monster would live happy and healthyWe gave them a hole in the ground and they made the habitats. The plan was that whether monsters lived or died would no longer be a concern, but that means concern was not paid to keeping them alive. And all indications were that anything done to keep the underground alive was kicking the can down the road at best. With limited, if well rationed, resources and a growing population, the monster mindset of needing to get the fuck out is perfectly understandable. I don't think any of them realized the kind of suffering war would involve, almost all monsters were many generations removed from knowing the surface, or knowing humans as more than a once in a lifetime threat. For most of them, waging war on humanity was an abstract thing that had always come with the idea of escaping the underground, so really, I can't hold it against them for parroting that until they have a human make friends with them.
>>4084982blackshards don't make a nigga crazyotherwise Kristopher would've lost himself in the madness a while ago
>>4084979>may be implying that Kris isn't human at all.Ok sure kid
>>4084957I don't buy Susie isn't The Girl theories. Everything about her fits. She's hopeful, Love found its way to her and she's even wearing the ribbons now. The only thing that sustains the hypothesis she might not be are descriptions from Gerson's dragon thing, but we know nothing he said is very accurate
>>4084991Gerson made a point that he didn't go crazy because he just rejected using the shadow crystal so yeah they do
>>4084972Considering humans as a baseline, monsters are arguably a spectrum between way weaker and significantly stronger.
>>4084984it would make more sense if asgore had opened the dark world himselfbut toby said "trust! it will make sense by the end!!" but really, I can't imagine how things will make sense anymore
>>4084883>and even on weird went to the festival with heri don't know why this keeps getting said when we had a whole fucking year of sitting on the final lines of 4's WR being carol saying noelle's looking forward to seeing kris at the festival tomorrowlike speedreading is one thing but we were fucking ruminating on what this meant for a goddamn year, and suddenly it goes out the window because "LOOK SHE WENT WITH SUSIE YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!" as if you didn't also see kris slept through the whole day and thus was conveniently unavailable for noelle to go with
>>4084993Plus he's a boomer and boomers are retards obsessed with holding onto power and eating the young (seen with his true self in the zombie battle)
>>4084994black shards and shadow crystals are different things, can't believe people still confuse them in a post chapter 5 world
>>4084996>if asgore had opened the dark world himselfWouldn't make sense unless he did it by accident because showing people dark worlds would be the first thing he'd do to clear his name you retard
>>4084987>and there sure is dialogue about how Kris having blood and being made of flesh is an oddity to monsters that don't already know himThat dialogue is a single line spoken by a bunny kid with worse grammar than Susie who also believes that humans eat monsters.It stands in contrast to Susie's line stating that "everyone bleeds".Also, bleeding and turning to dust don't have to be mutually exclusive. Humans bleed and also turn to dust on a long enough timeline.
>>4084997She didn't come to get him, she doesn't care for him...
>>4084995personally I see UT monsters as closer to how we see fairies irl mythos-wiseGenerally harmless even to kids but there's probably a few out there that could fuck our shit up. The power gap UT describes is pretty crazy, really makes me wonder what the hell happened to piss humans off enough to go berserk on them
>>4085001>humans eat monstersHear me out, so let's say you have a Boss Monster...
>>4084993The prophecy does have a nasty habit of forcing things to happen in lock-step with it, but Susie also loses interest in going against the grain of the prophecy whatsoever after she reads that she gets a good deal out of it, least of all that she's a "chosen one" for something after a life of being passed over. With her personality type and her ability to ignore anything she doesn't like and hyperfixate on what she does, it's little wonder she immediately tries to fill the role of The Second Hero, paraphrases it and mutters about "hope crossed on her heart" while climbing up the tower, interprets literally one date (with Kris present) with Noelle with a bunch of red flags she's forcing things as them being an established couple and "love finding its way to her", and finally gives up on not equipping ribbons
>>4084994gerson said it held a strange power that creeped him out. he didn't tell us what it does nor was he willing to find out
>>4085003Whatever it was that happened humans were even willing to sacrifice their ability to use magic to keep monsters down there, it was fucking nuts
We can instantly disbunk all "monsters don't stand a chance against a human" arguments if we had gotten a human versus human battle
>>4085001>Humans bleed and also turn to dust on a long enough timeline.That's stretching the premise more than a little for Undertale's death effect for monsters being them instantaneously turning to dust and scattering in the wind.
Humans are made of glass because upon death their heart shatters into pieces
>>4084915The fight has the most generous pity system in the game though, making HP drops more likely every time you die up to like 40 deaths
>>4084943Sparing Tenna is actually kinda difficult
>>4085008I mean there technically was one but it happened so fast you don't even register it
>>4085010I don't see how so. Presumably you'd be fine with the idea that a monster can have a body made of goo while alive and turn into dust when it does, no? Why can't there also be monsters who are made of blood while alive and turn to dust when they die?
>>4085018>Why can't there also be monsters who are made of bloodBecause arguing with the setting's premise is a waste of time
>>4085019But that's never once been stated to be its premise. "Monsters don't have blood" has always been fanon, even in Undertale. The only "proof" of it is the lack of blood in monsters' death sprites, but it's common for games, movies, and TV shows to lack blood in scenes that realistically would have plenty of it, especially if they're meant to be appropriate for an underaged audience. The fact that you don't see blood when you slash stab a river zora with your sword in A Lint to the Past doesn't mean that they're a species that lacks blood, it means that ALttP was made as an E rated game.
>>4084980>>4084987Sans bleeds in Undertale, too.
>>4085021>But that's never once been stated to be its premise. "Monsters don't have blood" has always been fanon, even in Undertale.Me when I lie
>>4085024Tell me where it says that, then.
>>4084994Black Shards are just pieces of the Knight’s sword.
>>4085026We don't know that they're necessarily pieces of its sword, we only know that the one we have was chipped off of its sword; the other ones could come from other places.
>>4085023It'd actually be kinda retarded for that to be blood considering he is a skeleton. I'm pretty sure it's just ketchup.
>>4085008We will get one in Deltarune against Kris, don't worry.>>4085017Chara didn't fight Frisk, they just destroyed the world.
>>4084994Even if you don't take Pink serious, she mentions that she had the crystal when they got there, so when Kris created the dark world, her knowledge of FRIEND, which is the average schizo talk, comes from BEFORE the crystal
>>4085028bone marrow
>>4085033>solid white polished bone has active bone marrowSkipped a few grades I see
I literally don't understand the hitboxes or what I am even supposed to dodge or what is hitting me when the Knight does the knife corridor attack.Like my eyes just read it as visual clutter to me, they move too quickly, and I have 1cc'd at least a few danmaku shmups but those had readable patterns.The rest of Knight's moves are okay.
>>4085021It might be that only darkners don't have blood and the literal child that said every flatduster's favorite quote just hasn't been told about blood yet because parents don't tell kids about death or blood until they're older.
>>4085036Your vision narrows.
>>4085036It's an unbeatable fight, it even says so.
>>4085036you need to visualize the negative space instead of the actual swords
>>4084957Well yea she was the last. The last of the 3 heros to join fully.
>>4085047"At last" after the three heroes in the prophecy?
>>4085036Deltarune hitboxes are a bit wonky, it would benefit from a "these are the pixels that can actually get hit" indicator.
>>4085050She was the second in your party but the last one to officially join it
>>4084669>Mentions how Hathy is a support unit>I'm reminded about how there is ONE singular time in chapter 5 where you fight two different types of enemies in one fightWould love to see how this guy reacts to the later chaptersAlso god it pisses me off how you can't even use pacify on the same turn as attacking something since you fight last. It's like Toby just threw all these mechanics in without a second thought
>>4085058What happened to the smorgasbords
>>4085060please understand, programming all those bullets to interact is too hard and would delay the game for 5 more years!
>>4085061Another concept that should've been scrapped from the start then
How come everyone calls them the lightners if Ralsei isn't one? Unless...
>>4085058iirc he's said in the past that the only reason acting and sparing are even in the game is because they were in undertalehowever i'm willing to believe that pacifying was an early concept for deltarune, along with the tired mechanics and how it behaves with fighting but both of those are completely useless due to acting and mercy being the superior option every single time unless you're fighting an enemy that cannot be spared, like jevil who can only become tired makes sense considering he's one of the oldest designed enemies in the game
>>4085066doesn't king call him out for being a lightner simp in ch1? same difference as far as he cares
>>4085071Chapter 1 is barely canon at this point if we're being honest.
>>4085072a fucked thing to say yet i can't disagree
>>4085058There is something amusing about the guy who spent most of his artistic career obsessing over meta stories about gameplay mechanics to not actually put much thought it said gameplay mechanics.Like, Temmie and many others are much more honest about how they actually want to make movie games.
>>4085074He truly is the Kojima of indies. Except Kojima actually put tons of thought into all the gameplay aspects of his games, but just ignore that.
>>4085072>>4085073One could say the full Undertale was disappointing with how little it repeated or expanded the deja-vu gimmick from the Ruins demo. But Deltarune just takes that gap to the next level, chapter 1 is a completely different beast from 5 in so many ways despite the superficial nostalgia pandering.
>>4085076Chapter 5 is the DR equivalent of "did this high fantasy monsters and magic tv show really need covid and trump references?" whereas despite the memey humor, chapter 1 is locked in and has clear vision covering a short but substantive introduction to everything.
>>4085078'ch1 is the closest to toby's original vision of deltarune' theory still remains true and even that was tainted by the need to make it like undertale
In a way, chapter 1 is important to the feel of Deltarune because it strongly evokes the sense of waking up from a dream. I don't think any other chapter has felt that way going from dark world to light world, not even 2, but it's definitely a useful bit of tone setting.
>>4085074I would say he puts a great deal into the gameplay even if not as much thought is given to keeping things like that consistent. Instead it's like Spyro 3 where the core gameplay is still solid but they go balls out on gimmicks. I would take more issue with it if the gimmicks weren't as engaging and surprisingly decent as they are.
Even if chapter 6 doesn't actually reveal much, it could still puts tons of theories to rest, so we don't have to keep arguing about the same shit over and over until 2029.>Suselle Let's get this one out of the way, there might be conflict regarding Suselle in chapter 6, depending on how that's handled we'll be able to make a good guess on whether Suselle truly is the endgame or not.>Knight identity theories The Knight might not get a reveal, but there could be events that could be used to discard potential candidates, the Knight being in the same place as a character would discard that character from the Knight identity list, this is important when it comes to the Holidays.>Twisted Route The big one, unless Toby plans on you getting the pure crystal in 7, we will be able to make a good guess on the importance of the Twisted Sword, and if it really is aborted weird route exclusive, so that's another theory that will be resolved I'm looking forward to theories being out down more than any specific reveals at this point.
>>40850814 is the only one besides 1 to have actual atmosphere besides "fun"
>>4085083i need to see dat pure crystal alreadyalso what location are you betting on? hospital or holiday manor?
>>4085088Police station
>>4085088>hospital or holiday manorIt's gonna be one of those, but I cannot decide, my gut says manor but I'm not that confident in it either. It could go either way.
Is there any lore to Kris' house having a manhole in 3's dark world and the manhole in Mantle?
>>4085095it's to connect it to the z rank room
>>4085088NeitherIt's gonna be some empty level made just to waste more time
>>4085078I am a chapter 1 grog to death, but with what we know now I think it's an awful introduction to what kind of game Deltarune is.>>4085080I'd personally be much kinder to it if it was clear about it's desire to be a warioware-esque minigame collection and a story this laser focused on the protagonists from the start.Plus, having the lightners include monsters instead of humans only makes the darkners not seem too special. Some of them are more normal than actual living lightners.
>>4085060there's one in chapter 4 if you avoid the second sanctuary egg but head to get the egg in the third sanctuary
>>4085088It can't be the manor because that would create marketable darkners, which chapter 6 does not have.
>>4085096>it's realCool so basically I did my best on the boards and minigames for no reason when I could have just welfare queen'd my way through it
>>4085082I mean the whole "support enemy" bit is already a lie in itself. Hathy has a distinct attack while fighting solo so it isn't actually as helpless as Ralsei acts like they are. Chapter 5 was just noticably cutting corners in the enemy department, even amongst the encounters already present. Netskie and Terakota only have solo encounters and I'm not sure if Leafling or Sheary's attacks change at all regardless of how many enemies are present. Though Chapter 5 seemingly has a bunch of unused encounters that rectify this issue so I guess like you said he's just streamlining the process for whatever reason
>>4085083You know what chapter 6 *won't* debunk? FemKris theory. I bet my ass on it.
>>4085083>unless Toby plans on you getting the pure crystal in 7I swear to god, if that will be the excuse then the fucker should have just made a sixth shadow crystal boss instead. An actual third Jevil-like to wrap up everything. You can't end this shit with fucking Pink of all things.>>4085088If the chapter 6 dark world is going to not have much going on in terms of darkners and locations:>hospital, if we are thinking in terms of sensible plot escalation>Town Hall, if we are going for the ice palace foreshadowingIf instead it is a more traditional dark world somehow:>holiday mansion but limited to a single room>basement if it REALLY is more traditional than anyone expected>Carol's bedroom or Dess's bedroom if it will be something more dramaticIf shit will get really bad:>shelter alreadyIf it is a really weird curve ball:>Castle Town outskirts and cliffs, maybe the unused classroom to the left too.
>>4085104Z rank is actually way harder to get than S.
>>4085106Because of the nature of Kris's gender identity, it will be impossible to debunk femkris theory until the games says out loud that the prophecy roles were meant to be Character X, Y and Z, which probably won't happen until 7.
>>4085100Yeah 1 is a great intro to what we wish we could have had with hindsight after 5.>makes the darkners not seem too specialYes and no, the light monsters are there to be fun UT references and whatever dark monsters are basically DR's original monsters that it can do whatever with without subjecting UT monsters to combat and plot situations since they had their run at a story already. Of course this goes out the window when considering that Hometown doesn't exactly NEED to be populated with references and could have sported a fully original cast, but I'm guessing this is how the devs treat it. In the end you could basically still do this entire overall story using only human designs so some aspects of characters will end up feeling interchangeable.
I can't understand Toby. On one hand, he has a certain sensibility almost no one else has. No fan would ever come up with the weird routes for chapters 4 and 5. In the other hand, many fans would have thought of amazing exclusive boss fights and some actual interesting gameplay other than cutscenes.
>>4085111It's all coming in Chapter 7B. Trust the plan.
>>4085111it feels like toby wants to write a vn sometimes but he's not confident in his ability to write a scene longer than 3 minutes
>>4085108Oh yeah rank poorfags have it SO tough
>>4085106i'll do you one further, i bet that ch6 will add more fuel to the fire like ch5 did to 3&4
>>4085111You'll understand if you're a content creator. You have an idea that you just have to do no matter what and work towards it, contriving the story and worldbuilding around reaching a specific conclusion and occasionally getting sidetracked by stuff that might interest or bother you. Your product leaves small gaps and missed opportunities because those weren't the object(s) of your focus but fans looking in from the outside will see those and imagine possibilities and begin fleshing those out in their minds, that's all there really is to it. Basically the original creator builds an environment and fans see where some houses could be built or something.
>>4085110>the light monsters are there to be fun UT referencesThat's the issue. They're there to be this key jingling to get UT fans to spend money on this, but the game refuses to truly elaborate on any of them, and in the rare moments it does that it's always in a negative way like Toriel.>Yeah 1 is a great intro to what we wish we could have had with hindsight after 5.I can only mourn the vision I had for DR in 2018. Chapter 4 was actually a good window to how I imagined the near-end of DR would have been back then, but it being right in the middle of post ch2 DR is really fucking weird and lame.Speaking of it, I'm just mad not even what I expected after chapter 2 came into reality. I was just looking forward to a fun formulaic romp for at least another 3 chapters before the game felt like finally addressing the main story (which I had no hopes for), yet that only half happened in 5 ouf of all possible places it could.
>>4085070>makes sense considering he's one of the oldest designed enemies in the gameCrazy how in any other game, this would translate to "Poorly implemented mechanics, difficulty skewed too far in one direction, and a visible lack of knowledge on how to put everything together", but its fucking INVERTED in Deltarune's case. Jevil is probably the most well developed boss fight in the game that doesnt use a gimmick of any kind. Both victory conditions encourage you to go in with an actual prepared plan, and the ability to adapt on the fly. This is Pre-Storage Inventory, so you have to work around holding the Manual and GlowShard if you care about either of them, not to mention weighing whether to use the superior TopCake for a safety net or the weaker SpinCake that has extra benefits in the future but is a weaker net for Jevil specifically. And for the other part, it ties into its ACTs. Ironically, the one fight without a real MERCY condition has the best balanced ACTs. If you're sparing, you gotta spend everyone's turn to be optimal which means being a lot better at dodging than attacking. However if you're violent the ACTs still have a use, Pirouette does BOTH jobs. If you count the turns as the battle progressing, you can predict its effect, and a couple of those effects are defense buffs for you and defense DEbuffs for Jevil, the debuff is also PERMANENT. However if Kris is down that turn, you have to live with it and move on, so the knowledge isnt enough alone.Also, technically this makes COUNTING CARDS a valid strategy for fighting the JOKER CARD. That's fucking awesome
>>4085114He could have been a fine writer for television. Too bad he likely wouldn't survive the grind and his stories just need the gaming medium to work.
>>4085121>his stories just need the gaming medium>writes for a tv show episode >the game on screen and the console and controller used by characters are all correctToby will SAVE tv time.
>>4085083>depending on how that's handled we'll be able to make a good guess on whether Suselle truly is the endgame or notI thought the festival chapter would have done that already but no. Despite all the cucking, the other ships still have just enough fire to keep dragging on. It was the worst possible scenario personally, I'd rather just have Suselle confirmed and leave that whole bullshit behind.And the scary thing is, 6 might not confirm anything either and this shipping shit will haunt discussion all the way up to 7 or whatever will be the final release.
>>4085113How did it feel when Noelle never came to check up on you?
>>4085121He'd be as bad as the Game of Thrones writers. They were subversives too.
>>4085119I really don't even mind how things went up to 4 besides shattering the final panel, I have no issue with a short breather before a 2 or 3 part finale but 5's execution was just too all over the place and was bad in ways you wouldn't even consider it could be able to for an intermission. I still like 5 well enough because the gameplay and music are still good even if it's the weakest OST so far, Flowery was great and plenty of jokes land but the drama and tone were kind of unfocused so it's narratively dissatisfing, in fact the more you understand about UT and DR the more you realize what a letdown 5 is as it makes fun of you while also being the worst chapter and that's just an inconvenient time to act smug in the writing.
>>4085124I mentioned conflict because a popular theory is that the circumstances around the creation of the dark fountain of chapter 6 will cause friction between Susie and Noelle, if this is resolved within the same chapter them chances are Suselle is sticking, if not, it leaves the room open for more possibilities, which like you mention is not necessarily a good thing depending on how it's done because it could be handled in such a way as to allow the door open for all kinds of ships, suselle included, meaning we wouldn't have advanced at all in that regard.
>>4085121I think his passion just lies in this very specific rpg framing. And obviously there's thematic reasons for deltarune to be in this format, but for a story that relies so much on characterization I feel like a lot of these upcoming plot points would hit a lot harder if stuff was fleshed out just a bit more
>>4085120The Jevil fight is well thought out but unfortunately it's held back by the fight being impossible since I'm bad at the game, so it kind of fails there.
>>4085131>He cant win at a simple numbers gameEmbarassing
>>4085131On my last replay fighting Jevil without acting actually gave me more trouble than the Knight. Pretty insane.
I like how everything points to December being the Knight but that's so boring that there is an entire subculture of Deltarune fandom revolving around Knight theorizing.
>>4085130No, Toby clearly likes using game concepts to communicate what's going on story-wise in general, not just this specific RPG framing. He just doesn't like trying to make a complete, coherent set of gameplay systems that's also prepared to perfectly back up the story, he'd prefer to make it clear the rules are fluid and will vary in the name of progression.
>>4085134imagine toby never reveals it
Speaking of Knight theorizing, I really don't think I will be able to stop myself from coming here and start shitposting if 6 shows anything that disproves any of the Holidays being the Knight. I don't think I will be able to endure until I finish the chapter.
>>4085134rudy is the knight
>"how could rudy/carol be the knight!? Rudys interactions are optional and carol barely ever appears at all!!">"oh, dess? yeah, look at all this super hidden optional shit and my biased interpretations of them, she's 100% the knight guys!!"
>anti-DessKnighters are also anti-VesselfagsMakes a lot of sense if you actually think about it.
I am looking forward to making literally thousands of RUDY/NOELLE/CAROL KNIGHT NIGGERS BE SEETHING posts after 6 releases. Only one can be the Knight so some of those will have to lose, perhaps even all of them will lose.
>>4085088Chapter 6 will be Castle Town only. It's not going to be about the Holidays at all but about Kris and how they got the Soul, and the Fun Gang's falling out.
>>4085134Don't want the knight to be some bitch i don't care about
super hidden optional shit and it's the game making you enter 1225 into the door the main antagonist is behind who turns a bat into a sword
>>4085147I cannot take December seriously.
>>40851465 was all about bitches we don't care about so I expect more of that
>>4085149You'd have to be an absolute moron to make the Roaring Knight a woman
>>4085150But the Roaring Knight already makes some gay ass metrosexual posing it's either a woman or a gay
>>4085134it really doesn't if you think about it for more than 10 seconds dess is the surface level guess than people kneejerk into, but once you stop and think it makes less and less sense
>>4085147reminder that the 'bat' has sepia in it's image name, and is the only non-flashback related thing in the game to do it said 'bat' is also made of black glass, it's not a wooden baseball bat whatever it is, as if the game outright stating that it's the black knife wasn't enough
>>4085128>I have no issue with a short breather before a 2 or 3 part finaleI don't mind it either but I also don't think you need to dedicate a whole entire chapter to that purpose, which is the fallacy that everyone who defends it on those grounds falls into.Chapter 4 had plenty of levity, but it also took the serious things seriously and gave them the attention they deserved.
>>4085152>once you stop and think it makes less and less senseHow exactly?
>>4085151He's floating what other pose can you make where he's that sharp and floating
>>4085154I thought super hidden optional shit was off limits? Lets just use our eyes
>>4085158My eyes say some teenage bitch doesn't make for a threatening antagonist
Is the Knight Identity discourse a rerun of the Tobi identity discourse from Naruto?As in, one very strong obvious candidate, and a multitude of alternative candidates running on obsessive minor details to make sense, until the big reveal happens and it was the most obvious candidate all along
>>4085158only the file name is optional hidden shitthe black knife descriptor is in the text for the blackshard, which every player should have by this point
The knight was canonically present on That Day, which only applies to Dess, Kris and maybe Noelle.
>>4085159yeah god imagine if it was a flower too. Not even an anime guy flower but like a literal fucking flower
>>4085161>which every player should have at this pointThat's retardedYou can't just make the other weapons if you expect every player should have a perfect save file with every shadow crystal
>>4085160The most obvious candidate being Carol, right?>>4085162>The knight was canonically present on That DayNot confirmed yet. We know that a black shard was found at the scene of The Event, but not that it came from the Knight. Yes the one we obtain in chapter 3 came from the Knight, but that doesn't mean all of them necessarily must have the same origin.
>>4085162source: my ass.
>>4085163Asgore was the better final boss, what's your point.
>>4085150Ok.
>>4085164if they did not beat the knight they aren't worth engaging with quite literally, they did not beat the game
>>4085165>Actually ralsei was just making that up and the dialogue means literally nothing>It's not like black shards aren't exclusively associated with the knight.
>>4085134>everythingOne thing.
>>4085152Knight will be Dess in NR and Rudy in WR
>>4085170*are, not aren't
>>4085166
>>4085163Imagine if it was a literal child
>>4085174I mean the part about only your favorite candidates being there on That Day™.
>>4085169Bs, if the game shows a set of credits and gets you to the next chapter, it says you beat it
>>4085165We are 5 chapters in, and so far there are no other known sources of black shards, so we have to assume it's from the Knight. This information was also presented within a scene that purposely shows Ralsei was unaware the Knight could have existed before the events of the prophecy, and I don't believe we're given one of the few new pieces of in from Chapter 5 to be merely a misleading cutscene
>>4085175Did I mention how much I hate asriel
>>4085175At least we still have genocide. What will toby do, make the final boss a rando in slippers?
>>4085176Is there literally anything to suggest that Rudy or Carol were present at That Day, let alone that they could be the knight at that point?
>>4085171This bat anon has to be one of my favorite special individuals here
>>4085179Interesting prophecy where the main antaglnistic figure just does stuff unimpeded for yearsThere never was a prophecy, because Toby's too lazy to make it accurate
>>4085182No, but there's nothing even to suggest Dess was there. We know jack shit about That Day™.
>dess wasn't even THERE and that would be my cue to clock out for the day
>>4085184It only makes sense if the knight was following the prophecy. They didn't do anything for years because the soul wasn't there yet.
>>4085170Ralsei was making an assumption. It's a reasonable assumption, but still an assumption. There is no chain of logic to indicate that it *necessarily* was the knight, even if that's currently the likeliest possibility.We don't know that black shards are exclusively associated with the Knight, we only know that the one we have is associated with them. You can't make universal statements from a sample size of 1.
>>4085187Show me the line where Asgore says that day involved Dess.
>>4085188That's retarded, this doesn't sound like an epic prophecy foretold by time and space
>>4085186yeahall we know for certain is that kris, the knight, and asgore were all present to some extent one can infer that dess, noelle, and asriel were also all involved, but toby decided that vagueposting was more important than telling people what was actually happening
>>4085189Bro, this isn't Hunter x Hunter. That assumption wouldn't have been brought up if it was wrong. We have no other information to go off of, so we have to assume it's correct.
>>4085189Then that would make this new information completely useless because if it doesn't mean what it's saying then nothing can be inferred from it.
>>4085193we fucking suck at plot analysis if we expect a mystery to be solved for us basically anywhere before the end
>>4085181>At least we still have genocide.Yes, where Chara is the main villain. Damn you're stupid.
When is Deltarune without vagueposting
>>4085199Chapter 7.
>>4085196Don't make a mystery if the game doesn't even let you try and and solve itThat shit will be worthless when it's over and everyone will acknowledge it as a waste of time
>>4085187this is the problem with deltarune nobody fucking says anything clearly so everything must be inferred through implications and subtext this is why there are so many batshit theories, because the game sure as fuck didn't say what happened so people decided to try and make sense of it themselves toby clearly thinks this is fine, outside of the 'one thing' he's willing to clarify in ch6he probably changed a ton of shit throughout development because he couldn't make up his mind, i see no other reason for him to be so cagey with any amount of detail for the plot and character motives
>>4085186WOW I SURE WONDER HOW THE EXPLICITLY SUPERNATURAL DISAPPEARANCE AND THE EXPLICITLY SUPERNATURAL EVENT THAT BOTH DRASTICALLY AFFECTED THE DREEMURR AND HOLIDAY FAMILIES WOULD CONNECT????>>4085189>Actually all explicitly stated evidence about the knight is a just clever misdirect that doesn't actually mean anything.This is the state of nondessknighters.
>>4085194>Susie assumes chalk is food so that means it is>in fact this is even supported by Noelle bringing Susie chalk in a lunchboxLook, I can do it too.
>>4085199When it drops vagueposting in favor of briefly lying to the player.
>>4085197so stupid you had to cut half of my less than 2-sentence long post to come up with a reply after nearly ten minutes
>>4085196a good mystery lays it's foundation early so when it's resolved the audience can see how it all came together we still have no idea what the plot or backstory of deltarune is, all we have is what we've seen and that isn't even the whole story
Is there a role in the story for Asriel to play? His return to Hometown feels like a narrative countdown. But so far there are no clues he did anything in the Incident or is doing in the current day, so what is the deal with him?
>>4085203You're confusing headcanon for reality. It's entirely possible Dess's disappearance was normal and she just left. That's what Noelle thinks. I'm not saying that's what really happened, but that's en entirely reasonable interpretation. We aren't given shit.
>>4085203the only time anyone has said anything explicitly about what happened to dess is noelle in the weird route and all she says on it is that she 'left'everything else is pure speculation
>>4085200Lol. The game hates the player and doesn't want them to ever know anything
>>4085205When has the game ever lied to the player?
>>4085208baiting undertale players he's a non entity, only slightly better than papyrus because at least he's been named
>>4085195The new information was that a black shard was found at the scene of the event. That's it. "That black shard came from the Knight" is an assumption made by the characters in the story. I agree that it's unlikely to be a red herring, but that doesn't justify saying that it's "canonical" that the Knight was present on That Day. It wouldn't even be the first time that character made a false assumption. Remember that Susie said:>Maybe... Maybe that's why the Knight captured Undyne?>They wanted to take their code so they could get in...The Knight can already get in the shelter, so Susie's assumption makes no sense.
>>4085206I was literally clarifying my original point that you were too biased and retarded to figure out despite how obvious it was.
>>4085207>we still have no idea what the plot or backstory of deltarune iswe have absolutely plenty between both routes' dialogue and player capable inferences even disregarding that kris is intentionally trying to keep us from learning everything, and everybody is either being a brainlet on purposethe main lockbox at the heart of the mystery is not the only goddamned mystery this game has
>>4085210>>4085211Yeah. There's nothing supernatural about Dess at all. This dialogue which canonically comes from Dess is actually totally normal, she just happened to walk into the church that day and stumbled into the dark world and push Kris seeing her and Kris doesn't see her at all. Also the 1225 ball machine room that plays findher.ogg doesn't mean anything. Nor does findher.ogg imply anything. Yeah. Actually nothing that isn't explicitly stated by the game is impossible to infer and the things that are explicitly stated by the game are just misdirects.
>>4085219I'm not interested in the mystery shit, it'll be worthless come chapter 7Just you wait, some modder will come in and dump the vagueposting when it's all over
>>4085213Flowery faked his statsMaddie isn't a womanSeth has a gender but acts like he doesn't
>>4085217Your original point that you AGAIN changed from antagonist to villain because sans is by definition both the final boss and antagonist of genocide? No shit we/chara are the villain in genocide you fucking ape. But you didn't say that, did you? That's twice now. Keep scooting your ass along with the goalpost shoved in it, faggot
>>4085220>This dialogue which canonically comes from DessPlease get help.
>>4085220if only the game actually fucking said something about dess instead of vaguely implying shit the hand could also be noelle's for all we know, since she's the knight
>>4085213Asgore's prophecy in chapter 4>but Asgore wasn't the Flower Man and Flowery was theredon't fucking put him there in the prophecy thenthere is nothing smart about purposefully misleading the players
>>4085222Seth is a girl like lucca
>>4085219What is the main villain trying to accomplish? What is the player character trying to accomplish?
>>4085216It's less that it's a confirmed fact the Knight was present in the Incident, but moreso if the shard wasn't the Knight, then this information is pointless to us right now because we know no other sources of black shards. Then why bother showing this to the player?
>>4085224>>4085225Okay im realizing now that you're just baiting me.
>>4085226the flower man prophecy showed asgore for the same reason the lord of screens prophecy showed a completely normal television being cut in half and not, specifically, tenna, or specified "the queen's chariot" which meant her giga-queen mech and not the actual car depicted
>>4085225>>4085224the code for that cutscene plays the guitar sound when that dialogue plays, but with 0 volumetoby put that there on purpose, because if it was unused he would just not have written that code there at all
>>4085223Chara is still the main antagonist at the very end but keep seething
>no bros, see this sprite is different on the weird route. It was clearly done on purpose to support my headcanon!
>>4085232>the code for that cutscene plays the guitar sound when that dialogue plays, but with 0 volumeTHIS IS WHY THE GAME'S STORY IS SUCH BULLSHIT>oh dude it's so obvious because they play a sound with no sound, that's how you know that the story is telling you who this character isDOES FF6 SHOW KEFKA WITH A BLANK SPRITE AND NO DIALOGUE? NO? MAYBE BECAUSE THAT'S FUCKING HORRENDOUS STORYTELLING? FUCK YOU TOBY!
>>4085230dess has one (1) line of dialogue attributed to herit's not in the game, and it's not in the sweepstakes it's from a hidden page in a newslettershe isn't even saying it, it's noelle recounting what she said
>>4085227Is Lucca the only example of a girl or something?>>4085231>her giga-queen mech and not the actual car depictedBut that was stopped so you're obviously wrong
>>4085233>b-but in the literal last line of the gameyour ass? mine btw
>>4085232You mean like how the dialogue about Ralsei showing Kris the castle later in chapter 2 was blocked because of a misplaced %? Or how the game forgot to animate the slide animation in chapter 4 and 5?
>>4085236>characterization is when character has lines
>>4085236Gotta love when half the game isn't even in the game
>>4085237>But that was stoppedNo it wasn't, it was still operable and needed a recharge even if it had the hell beaten out of it. Queen was gonna win before she aborted mission.
>>4085238>this pot is black! Sans literally isn't the antagonist until the final battle of the game. Meet kettle.
>>4085237Luccas a better friend than Susie
>>4085242It was "stopped" even if it wasn't destroyed
>>4085239this seems pretty deliberate instead of a glitch
>>4085235You can logically infer this even without the guitar, which just exists to confirm it. You apparently cannot make this connection without Toby explicitly showing you everything on screen in detail, because you are retarded and are unable to make logical conclusions from information shown by the game. Which is why you are saying Dess' disappearance is not supernatural and that it isn't connected to That Day at all.
Seth was very clearly originally meant to be a guy but the Temmie redraw made her into a girl.
>>4085246Nothing is deliberate after you look at that code yourself. I've seen so much shit it's unreal
You can logically infer Kris is a girl, all this evidence just exists to confirm it. You apparently cannot make this connection without Toby explicitly showing you everything on screen in detail, because you are retarded and are unable to make logical conclusions from information shown by the game.
>>4085240we know fuck all about dess outside of:she would hit kris with a wiffle bat if she thought noelle was being bulliedwatched racy music videos at the dreemurr househad milsurp, weed, ice skates, and broken instruments in her room, along with an unbroken guitarwas dating asrieland was liked enough to win festival queen with asrielthat's it >but that's enough for my tomboy waifu!it's not, we need characters to say what she was actually like as a person to get a good idea of who she is, not just the occasional tidbit or thing lying around that was associated with her
>>4085229As setup for when we learn that there are other sources of black shards? As another one of Toby's red herrings? You might think those are bad reasons, but that's not sufficient reason to discard the possibility unless you believe that Toby can't possibly make any bad decisions while writing his story.
>>4085249if it was a glitch, why play the sound at 0 volume? if it was unintended/left over from a past scene that got rewritten, why play it at 0 volume and not just erase the line (if it was forgotten, where are the other remaining lines from the past version of the scene)? why specifically the dess guitar sound?
>>4085241it's becoming crippling at this point people who only play the game are missing vital information about noelle's character and her relationship with kris
>>4085243God you'd be so fucking right and owning me if there wasn't an entire scene dedicated to sans pulling you to the side and saying "hey if you did this, I'd be the antagonist and fucking kill you btw"Again, the antagonist impedes the progress of the protagonist. Not only is that by definition a paradox due to chara being the main character, but there is nowhere to proceed to, literally, because the world is destroyed by the time they snipe you
>People unironically arguing Dess isnt important to the plot at all and nothing in game implies they are.The thing i said last thread about the excessive doomerfagging giving people brain damage is really a good summary for these place, isn't it?
>>4085256the last three or four threads have been people toddling out the same bait over and over
>>4085248when toby was first showing the seth concept to people they thought it was amethyst from steven universe, who is female
>>4085256if only there was a way for toby to rectify this but alas, he is unable to
>>4085256*this place.
>>4085255Chara impedes Frisk by taking over his body.
>>4085256It's completely possible Dess ran away and the main plot is about finding her.
>>4085253Because the idiot forgot or the guy he hired forgot
>>4085247When 90% of the game is interpretive, this instance is still one of the more understandable to misinterpret
>>4085261Are you arguing that Frisk's goal in Genocide wasn't actually the destruction of everything? Because Chara makes it very clear that that goal is accomplished. Frisk and Chara are both the protagonist of Genocide towards the goal of Genocide, regardless of any semantics in a literal post credits cutscene
>>4085250I'm doing my lorebait shitposting right now, you can do yours later.>>4085253>why play the sound at 0 volume?It plays at a frequency only annoying dogs can hear.
I would wring the annoying dogs neck
>>4085265Chara's (the player's) influence impedes Frisk's natural pacifistic progression
If Carol is with the Knight or is the Knight, why would she help Asgore investigate the incident? She had nothing to gain from Asgore's researching, worse, he could have twarted her plans.
By the next thread people will be confidently asserting that dark worlds are entirely imaginary and caused by Kris being an unreliable narrator and nothing in the game suggests that they're real.
>>4085267Only brown people want to abuse animals.>>4085269>why would a conspirator involve themselves in an investigation where they could easily steer it in the wrong direction?Only brown people don't understand...how to commit crimes...you know what, never mind.
>>4085268>frisk resists Genocide
>>4085271Not if we get there this thread.
>>4085268>game forces pacifism without youRefund.
>>4084989>We gave them a hole in the ground and they made the habitats.wasnt it said in the history books (and by qc) that the monsters left the ruins and found snowdin? basically the snow was already placed there beforehand, perhaps, by other humans?>I don't think any of them realized the kind of suffering war would involve, almost all monsters were many generations removed from knowing the surface, or knowing humans as more than a once in a lifetime threat.excuses, bratty and catty literally say theyre excited by the eradication of humanity and monsters were a few kills away from turning human racist undyne into the queen, they knew what itd entail
>>4085036the next updates had fixed the hitboxes btw
>>4085276>the monsters left the ruins and found snowdin?"Found" is loaded terminology and could refer to the location alone, with the insinuation being that it was a natural place to settle for other reasons, like being in a good spot along the river. None of the history discusses humans creating anything underground aside from the barrier and emphasis is put on monsters surviving solely on their runoff, both culturally and literally.>excuses, bratty and catty literally say theyre excited by the eradication of humanityIn a line that is such an obvious joke it's put in the fucking trailer. It's clear they don't know what they're talking about. Do you shut down any alternative reading the moment you detect something that might be a "threat to humanity"?
>>4085263next you'll tell me the variable named "toriel" that hides the true appearance of the black deer in MANTLE was also a mistake/developer joke and doesn't mean anything
>>4085282Toriel-Knight confirmed.
>>4085282What is Toriel covering the face of the Knight or something?
>>4085284she was one of the more viable candidates in the ch2 era, along with alphys
>>4085262Why the fuck is Kris opening Dark Fountains in Home and Flower Shop trying to kidnap Asgore, Toriel and Undyne. How is that related to the non-character we are supposed to find?
>>4085288i still believe undyne was always the target, especially given how the knight nabs asgore the exact same way as hertoriel was only to fool (you) and susie into thinking she was in danger
>>4085289>foolWhile at the same time not letting me do anything about itSome adventure
I hate this conspiracy shit I always hated death note and breaking bad for the exact same reason.
>>4085290if you haven't picked up on it by now, toby loves taking control away from the player whenever possible
>>4085256she's the ghost haunting the narrative, like laura palmer, except not as compelling or good. at least the fanbase likes to depict her as a complete fuckup.
>>4085293Make a movie instead if you want to sell propaganda instead of entertainment.
>>4085289This would be such shit writing I have no idea how this would get a pass. I have never seen someone fail the concept of silent protagonist so badly.
>Don’t worry about the pacing until it’s over!THATS NOT HOW PACING WORKSif everything gets dumped at the end, that's not pacing!the ONE singular way i'd give this a pass is if we really will get a side b and that we've only seen 5/14 chapters
>>4085300undertale dumped literally everything in the last 40 mins
>>4085292>>4085296the mod..
>>4085301Undertale dumped its exposition in the first two or so seconds and that exposition wasn't haha it's le fake and unreliable actually
https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWkLadnA
>>4085304oh no i didn't read the title properly before voting, what have i just pledged support for?
Turns out there is a quite active UT/DR thread on Kiwifarms full of passionate fans.Was the Deltachuds thing for real? What drawns toxic chuds to UT/DR?
>>4085301as people have said before, undertale's demo gave people enough to figure out half the plotwe're 5/7 chapters in and we still don't know the motivations for kris or the knight, how noelle ties into all of this, what happened THAT DAY, what happened to dess, who the knight is, how gaster plays into all of this, why seam wants the crystals, and the purpose of FRIENDmost of these things were presented in ch1 or ch2
>>4085308KF is a bullying site so it's not surprising it's just all trannies now.
>>4085302Enjoy this in the meantime.
>>4085308It's a good game + the goodwill from homestuck.
>>4085276>by other humansIt's because of a big cold crystal, with Berdly in the center
>>4085308Their discussion is low quality. They don't even know about FemKris theory.
>>4085308they have that earnest late 00s-early 10s internet sovl that made homestuck such a hit.
>>4085279Nta but it hits me a lot and Knight's attacks make me lose the fight so actually nothing was fixed
>>4085315tell us more. what are the most popular theories over there?
Alyphys is Susie's mother by blood and her husband is a purple human man
>>4085317It's the box splitting one that fucks me over.
>>4085312crude, but cute!
>>4085318Same as youtube/reddit. They just whine a lot more.
>>4085293It wouldn't even be that noticeable if UT didn't come out first.
>>4085319There's no way Alphys can birth she probably got infertile from excessive masturbation.
>>4083939Fuck the prophecy
>>4085300It's sort of how it works, this is really only as annoying as it is because we have to wait years instead of a few hours to get a conclusion. It is a problem but the wait greatly exacerbates it, though there is also the way the game is pretty closed off after finishing chapters. It's not like standard JRPGs where you can freely reenter past dungeons for the sake of it, the game caters wholly to the narrative so when a fountain area is over, it's over, so it's like you're stuck after doing all the content.
>>4085326Play chapter 4 and 5 back to back and come tell me this is cohesive writing
>>4085308Krisellefags have decided that their ship is somehow a trad wholesome vanilla relationship
>>4085328>t. Suselletard
>>4085320That gets me too but I like it because it's neat, until it switches from vertical to horizontal
>>4085329Actually I think the ship wars are dumb but Kriselle is the ship that attracts chuds more than Krusie or Suselle, Krusie would be appealing to them but it no longer has any official backing in the game
>>4085328Same Krusiefags thought Krusie was a wholesome trad relationship?
>>4085327I didn't say it was cohesive, just that the pacing would be a gripe instead of having years to be outed as a fatal flaw.
>>4085332Why are you on here if you are so scared of agreeing with these mythical chuds?
>>4085333Krusiefags jumped ship because /theirgirl/ abandoned them at the altar, I mean festival.
>>4085336Walk it back a couple steps and explain what you mean and what you imagine my position is.
>>4085335You are essentially still saying the same thing as before. As far as I see the game now transitions were botched. I could cite you a dozen games with episodic quests whose transitions were not botched.
>>4085338>Kriselle attracts [people I name chuds because I don't like them], Krusie would be appealing to them but it's no longer endorsed by the gameHow are you anything else than a Susellefag? Also Krusiefags and Krisellefags are different people.
>>4085333Kriselle was always more trad than Krusie
>>4085330You can stay in the corner for it as far as I'm aware. You just have to react at that point.
>>4085325And then the next picture would be her fitting in Noelle's health bar to make it a 4-person group
>>4085345cuck
>>4085328It is tho! Kris is just preventing it from happening as you can see in ch4 couch
>>4085341I'm allowed to call people chuds even if I fit that category too for whichever reasons. Same way n-word people can call each other bruthas.
>>4085346this is a cuck game, get used to it
>>4085344Intradasting...
>>4085347Kris is a little pushover that wants to feel special by being asexual or something. Probably thinks monsterphilia is disgusting ew. He reminds me of myself I probably said no to a few high school girls that were totally down to fuck me.
>>4085352unfortunately even kris has the chad edge on you, he clicks on monster-human dating ads when fighting poppups
https://youtu.be/fuqfLDvPfB4?si=1VMqqKfOM6acTs8R >and basically, you are fucking stupid
>>4085349Get used to this, you piece of shit*uncucks your game*
>>4085353Kris is all bark, he flirts with monsters all the time and even has one obsessed with him and another he could've had to himself yet he's too pussy to capitalize on that pussy.
>>4085356https://youtu.be/rOwW_DBAKfA?si=Y40Ghn1CgwKfvbnI
>>4085358kris has traumaand trauma fucks with your brain in strange and hard to explain ways
Is Kris brave and heroic?
>>4085360Every memory is technically a trauma so that's no excuse.
>>4085362debilitating trauma thenwe know that kris behaves very differently presently than in the pastold kris was shy but playfulpresent kris is often unresponsive even to people we know she still cares about whatever happened fucked kris up bad'you can never wash it all away'
>>4085358Actksually, it seems Kris fucking Noelle has consequences greater than cucking, Ralsei has unique WR dialogue warning Kris to not go to the festival with her
>>4085368ralsei seems to have a gut feeling when it comes to the weird route even if he doesn't know what's going to happen, he knows it'll be bad
>>4085368Ralsei is horny for Human cock of course he'd protest against Kris going after Noelle
>>4085356Not beating the self insert allegations.
>>4085350Why her panties out.
>>4085213I can think of two, the flirting and Kris going to the hospital even if you never did them>Toby just forgot and is lazyExcept there are unique interactions, in ch3 if you don't flirt with the watercooler, the cactus is glad that Kris didn't do it, and in 4 if you take Susie with Rudy he will ask Kris why the fuck he did that
In terms of Mother 1 parallels, I've been thinking of a couple thingsNoelle is meant to be both Pippi and TeddyShe's this girl who happens to be freakishly strong that helps you out when you're all alone and eventually leaves the party. Later in the game Teddy kicks out the white-haired glasses boy and takes his place. Teddy is also really strong and uses swords.Later on though, there is a big romantic scene. I think Deltarune will stray from the source material a bit and either have Kris and Noelle dance (like in SFB) or have Noelle and Susie dance (so Gigi can scream). Though during all that some big threat will show up causing Noelle to become severely injured/die (it changed depending on the version of Mother 1 you were playing) and Ralsei will show up to save the rest of the team.I also think Eve : Vessel is a big oneI think we'll be struggling in the shelter. Then you'll find the Vessel in a lab deep below the depths and it will help you and is pretty capable, but ultimately it will give its life to protect you from a threat that would've been too difficult to defeat.Maybe on the Weird Route though we'll break how things are supposed to go. In Mother 1 you could already sequence break to keep Teddy forever and never have to get Lloyd back. We could be strong enough to not only prevent Noelle from dying, but save the Vessel too.
>>4085381>or have Noelle and Susie dancewasn't there a pic pointing out that deltarune was similar to some game that forced you to slowly walk with someone to marry the person that your protagonist was in love with and then see them dancing together in the credits?
>>4085381I like the idea of the vessel being a party member than anything else, being on the receiving end of frisk like autism is just too great of an idea
>>4085111That's how it usually is. The game's creator is focused on the bigger picture that's has to be experienced by everyone, the fans are hyperfocused on a small standalone slice that would be played by similar kind of fans.
>>4085232>Spamton shop plays a dialogue sound even when he's long gone, that means he's still there, otherwise there would be no reason to put it there!
>>4085393That's a pippis he forgot to take tho!
But it refused to die.
>>4085088I am all in on hospital right now.
>>4085134It's just contrarianism. Dess Knight can be interesting since it's clearly not regular Dess under a cool armor.
>>4085197(You) are the main villain, Chara is just your partner, and Sans is the final boss.
>>4085222*she
>>4085233>He didn't pick eraseNgmi
>>4085261Frisk isn't being stopped by Chara in genocide as she has the same goal as Chara, which is following (you) to the end. To not ignore that guy's main argument was about the final boss of the route, which objectively is Sans.
>>4085308That place is more mentally ill than here, I'm not going there.
>>4085322Do they talk about our threads there?
TOBY FOX!!!I HAVE A MESSAGE DOR YOU!!!
>>4085419Do you have a parasocial relationship with them or something? Did you donate and need to hear your name shouted out?
>>4084679Thinking about this further, im coming to the conclusion here that the basement isn't the going to be the "main" fountain of the dark world.The carol mansion's layout is pretty much a direct line from the entrance to Noelle, Dess and Carol's rooms, with Dess' room in particular containing the shelter code and Carol's room seemingly being the final area at the highest point of the mansion.So what if the first fountain to be opened is in Carol's room, with sealing it being a fakeout ending? For example:>The majority of chapter 6 is a straightforward adventure about the Holiday family and the dessapearance, with Carol being set up as the chapter's final boss.>After Carol is beaten, the fun gang seals the fountain only, to find out that there is a second fountain in the basement.>You backtrack to lobby as shit starts to fall apart to go into the kitchen, climb the "highly climbable tree" and enter the basement.>The basement, having a billion indirect connections to the various meta shit in the background of the game serves as the location for where this stuff creeps into the narrative and sets up the direction for chapter 7.
>>4085423>what if something happened in ch6?It won't.
>>4085424>But.... what if..... that wasn't le case?This adds absolutely fucking nothing to not only to this conversation but every hypothetical conversation where you would say this.
>>4083986another cool costume for Battat
>>4085426>Toby Fox created the mike room because to spite ME personally!!! He HATES me!!!Do you really believe this. genuinely.
>>4085425It brought you back to reality.
>>4085423But what if Carol is the Knight?
>>4085428What exactly do you think saying "Thats not happening" to every theory you see proves besides the fact that you are a spiteful retard, resentful that his theories aren't 100% accurate all the time?
>>4085431bro is replying to low effort bait
>>4085430Thats obviously not the case because Carol is a red herring.
>>4085432You see i will eventually stop replying but he will always be gay. So it works out in the end.
>>4085433But what if she isn't. What if it's not red herring.
>>4085422I was just curious, calm down.
>>4085425Mike is definitely a cowboy!
>>4085444Make her white now.
>>4085435Then it'd turn an already painfully cliche story even more painfully cliche, as now the story is effectively "butch x femme vs femme's evil (and homophobic, most important part) bitch mother". As if Kris wasn't already getting sidelined into the cuck chair badly enough as is.
>>4085444Make her darker now.
>>4085452Is this what used up means?
It's interesting to see so many people dismiss things that could be shows as hints to any of the mysteries in the game, or foreshadowing of future events. You have for example the guitar sound that plays at 0 volume in the scene in chapter 4 with the hand pushing back, some people will say, without a shred of irony, that this scene means nothing and Toby put it there for no reason, or even as a deliberate misdirection. I think it's a trauma response that originates from things like the fakeout from Chapter 1's end and Chapter 2's intro, and the Flower Man panel in Chapter 4 and the expectations it brought versus Chapter 5's actual story events.
>>4085134Clearly the knight is a being of darkness pretending to be her
>>4085455That's the problem when you backload literally everything to the game's final chapter, everything is pure speculation with no way to be for certain, especially when Toby outright says it's objectively impossible to place any safe bets on anything due to missing information that won't be revealed until later. That's why people are hesitant to even theorycraft anymore aside from diehard schizos who've been riding on their beliefs for years, Toby outright said it's a worthless endeavor unless you want to write fanfiction and then everyone laughs at you because "wow I'm glad you're not writing the game".
>>4085455Some people got so mindbroken it's insane.
>>4085308kys tranny
>>4085319Susie’s to depraved enough to be Alphys’ daughter
>>4085450The red herring is Carol being evil in the first place. She is just a mother desperately trying to keep control of her family life falling apart and the prospect of finding closure to her missing eldest daughter's case had her support Asgore even if his theories bumped into supernatural status. She's also not homophobic and won't hate Susie after one good conversation
>Normies are now complaining about Kress and wonder who started the grooming Dess theoryGentlemen...
>>4085467Current Kress sucks because it's just /ss/elf insert faggotry.
>>4085467Janny shouldn't have banned /v/ threads.
>>4085444if "it" is homestuck, then yes
>>4085468When was kress every anything but that
>>4085478When there's Futa Kress.
>>4085459I already said this but i don't get why people are so afraid of being wrong about their theories. Isn't that a natural part of theorizing seeing how your theories are wrong?Things like Friend Inside Me were absurdly wrong, yet it was still worth it because how funny it was. It also lead to the Mike trio's creation which was great.
>>4085482The point of theoryfagging isn't about having fun to a lot of people it's about winning pointless arguments and feeling smug about your predictions being correct because you are very smart
>>4085482For a lot of people being wrong is akin to the greatest humilation one can have, that's why people will never admit to being wrong on the Internet.
>>4085482Because the Chapter 2 era was a completely different beast from what we have now. Anything past Chapter 2 felt forever away, so going crazy and having fun with it was all you really COULD do. Once 3+4 hit and it was confirmed other chapters would be rolling in at a much more rapid pace, there wasn't nearly as much room for that kind of fun, so theories became all about solving Deltarune. ESPECIALLY not helped by the debut of Knight, who most thought would've remained an unknowable mystery until Chapter 7 (which it still does, but it appearing as early as Chapter 3 really hurt things since we're not actually allowed to learn anything about it or its motives for all the time we're gonna be putting up with its shit.)
>>4085455>he gave up replying directly and started making shit up to look like he's the reasonable oneJust can't help it can you?
>>4085488You will never believe me but I am not the person you were talking to back in the earlier discussion, I made that post because I was reading all the posts I missed since last time I checked the thread, and I saw that whole discussion. I wish we had poster IDs.
>>4085482Woodyshit always sucked and I was against it since day one and got vindicated when all cowboy foreshadowing was about Yellow.
>>4085493Woody was awesome I'm sorry you have no joy in your heart.
>>4085489You really saw that people were not accepting a sound effect playing at 0 volume as a DIRECT CANONICAL PROOF of something and thought "yeah those guys don't believe in anything at all"? Well sorry for mistaking one stupid leap of logic for another.
>>4084307You can clearly see from the beginning of Chapter 5 that Kris's side business is clearly fucking him up extremely, physically at the very least. He doesn't seem to be satisfied that the plan is going as intended. If anything, he seems more bummed out by the end of this chapter then ever before.
>>4084309>overwriting Kris to be whatever avatar you want him to beGood god this is going to open the floodgates for TF porn.
>>4085504Werewire was just the beginning...
>>4084714Noelle is basically absent for most of the game besides Chapter 2 even though the whole Tragedy revolves around the Holidays.
>>4085478during the rare times when it's /ll/ kress instead of /ss/ kress
>>4085502He's probably bummed out by Susie getting the code but at the very end his mood is up to interpretation. He outright forces you to walk Susie "home", so he clearly considers it important.
>>4085516Right in the Krussy!
>>4085467>search up kris/dess on ao3>apparently some autist either on /v/ or /vg/ instantly clocked Dess as a chomo only a month after Chapter 2's release
>>4085517>kristicles*
>>4085481>he really thinks people aren't self-inserting as Dess in that scenario Anon...
>>4085498You lost and got raped.
>>4085525Yellow referenced Woody anyways.
>>4085520I think that's the loli Kress artist.
>>4085529Yes, but that's what I predicted and wanted. That it was all about the yellow flower instead.
Only then, shining with hope...Three DECEMBERS appear at WORLDS' edge.A PUNK TRADWIFE,A PEDOPHILE GROOMER,And LITERALLY VRISKA SEKRET.Only they can seal the vaguepostsAnd banish the HEADCANON'S HEAVEN.Only then will balance be restored,And the WORLD saved from destruction.
>>4085434Being gay is based and counterculture. I turned gay just because of how numerous and annoying most shipfags are in these threads.
>>4085455The problem is some things like that are genuine oversights
>>4085532Canon Dess will be all three fused together.
>>4085517>>4085530Retarded femkrisfag
>forget to check the thread>800+ more repliesdamn it
>>4085532hopefully toby goes all in on desska
>>4085504>>4085508I don't think there's enough to really tie it to whatever is gonna happen to Kris and the Vessel, but the concept of transformig something forcefully is a thing in the game, so no reason to hold your imagination back, even if it won't be canon.
>>4085543How the fuck is describing what the artist draws makes me your boogeyman?
>>4085549I don't care what he usually draws, we're talking about this specific drawing. That "CRACK" is there for a reason. In this pic, Kris is clearly a boy. Fuck off with your femkris bullshit.
female krismas
>>4085552Hey nigga keep your seething to /doe/, thanks.
>>4085556Female Santa
>>4085556>>4085560hot female santas in your area
>>4085562Hot female santas next door
>>4085541Maybe... the truth is...Dess WAS the greatest person.
>>4085563take a guess which character is always on screen when this song plays hint: it's not noelle or susie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrhhWFIwXw
Why did Epstein like yuri?
>>4085566The same reason he liked FNAF Futa SFMs.
What's the UTDR equivalent of "NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN"
>>4085566from what i could tell i think he just liked girls kissing i think it was the least weird thing he was into as a whole
>>4085567canonically can melt hearts with her buppydog eyes btw
ALL HAIL VIBE CODINGTHE ANCIENT TEXTS HAVE BEEN RECOVERED
>/v/ thread is up purely because it’s a slow-moving thread shitting on Tobylole
>>4085574janny too busy with the direct to care
>>4085573Somebody should link the first /v/ threads about Undertale when the anniversary arrives.
>>4085569Deltatraveler, probably
it was fun while it lasted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hydXHQchAJA
>>4085580ABIB wanted 30 more zelda threads sorry
>They started talking about the game instead of jews and trannies?!!?!?! DELETE IT NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWWWWWWWS
I reached the castle in chapter 1 and the game has been highly quirk chungus-y. Some of the writing is so stupid and cheesy you can’t help but smile. If I were a kid or a teen, I would probably go crazy for this shit, but even as an adult, I like it.
>>4085464Susie is a normalfag nice girl
>>4085482Acid drink is contender for least funny and most drawn out joke in the game
>>4085467Mew must be glad to escape from allegations after committing the crime on screenI'm honestly proud with my fellow /v/anons for their posts to reach this far i'm now more conviced that it was us that forced the rose removal lmao
>>4085589it was always obviously us that got the rose removed nowhere else had caught on to the implications by the time it was removed, meanwhile people on /v/ were screaming rape on day 1
>>4085584Keep playing. Ch1 isn't bad, but it's one of the weaker chapters. You're going to love it, and it gets much more serious later too.
>>4085572>ERAM is the only one to mention Kris' eyes-
>>4085588>ow.>ow.>ow.i will admit: i did sensiblechuckle.gif
>>4085589Bro, literally nobody except /v/ made a big deal out of the rose. Toby very obviously browsed /v/.
>>4085592>>4085598>"YOU CAN'T UNRAPE THE DOE, TOBY">not only does he unrape the doe by making it so she was totally into that shit, he makes it so the doe was explicitly the one doing the raping all alongI fucking knelt.
>>4085574>>4085575>>4085583Obsessed.
>>4085589Why do we hate Toby again when he had the balls to patch this into the game?>>4085593>it's one of the weaker chapters.Holy kys
>>4085592to be fair I do kinda feel bad for toby because the rose only looks bad out of context without chapter 5If the game came out all at once you would have seen asgore's rose thing first and understood its a visual motif and not symbolising rape>>4085599Kris was always the RAPE victim, its clear Noelle can overpower him and chapter 5 shows she can even override your commands into PROCEEDingShe grew wings...
>>4085595Why is ERAM suck a knower that it can talk to us like Gaster does.
>>4085596I would have if it was like twice but the joke was too obvious after that. It felt like a Family Guy gag at that point.
>>4085603>even override your commandsLocal doe not so tough after Player decides to not press any option
>>4085606The hit sequel to "Press The B Button, Stupid!"
>>4085601It's a very straightforward chapter, and it's quite short too. To be honest if you don't find Ralsei's cutie/gay personality likeable you kinda get bored. Also>kysYour dad and pet first
>>4085605i think part of it dragging ass is it's intended for tenna to barge in, not sure how the cutscene goes if you haven't given him away yet
>>4085606Toby cocks once again showcasing that the greatest move of all is doing absolutely fucking nothing
>>4085606That's not (you) thoughIts gaster or the simulation covering its backside and forcing the normal lake scene to playWithout big g's intervention kris would have just drowned resulting in the game over scene.Are you such a sissy to be PROUD over the fact big G had to bail you out?
Can I get a qrd on Vriska and how she's related to Dess?
>>4085613hussie's mary sue character intended at the start as a parody, similarly to other trolls being parodies of common internet personality archetypes like nepeta as a roleplaying furry or karkat as an aggressive basement dweller, before he proved to not have the writing chops to do a mary sue parody and just made her a mary sueundyne's already pretty similar to vriska in personality beyond not being a self-absorbed shitheel, which drives a surprising amount of vriska's personality but not so much of it that undyne doesn't have common ground
>>4085612What I'm saying is that at the end of the day it's still the Player who's in control at the lake. Noelle is like the little sister with the disconnected player 2 controller who thinks she's doing something.
>>4085616>I'm in control>Noelle forces all your dialogue choices into being PROCEEDyou're contradicting yourself a little here mateSomething something local rapist not so happy after getting raped.
>>4085617??I'm in control because I can just not press anything and Chapter 5 will be back on track.
>>4085482There is a difference between being wrong and watching an elaborate sequence calling you an idiot for trying to guess. And this shit happens way fucking more times than just Mike. And this sort of shit enables the most obnoxious people possible.No one was whining about Queen not being a card because the game doesn't bring attention to that not even once, but there were sure a TON of "hurr durr chara genoslider retards pwned" after the fake out.
>>4085606>>4085607Up next: To Short Hop Or Not To Short Hop - My Half An A-Press Journey
>>4085598>>4085592The first yt videos of weird 4 were filled with "oh no there is rape in my deltarune"
>>4085618>I can just not press anythingFuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you
>>4085601why can't that negrow just make a third jevil-like instead of reheating Undertale shit again?
>>4085623No they weren't.
>>4085514more like he's bummed out because susie is going to involve noelle anyway despite his efforts to keep her away
>>4085552That can still happen if hit in the pussy.
>>4085589>>4085592All because we didn't realize Kris was the rose outside of the KNOWERS.
>>4085624Noelle....
>>4085631>Kris is a rose because they are beautiful and yet they are full of thorns that keep everyone awayLa creatividad...
>>4085601He's a weird combination of based and cringe, cringe for removing the rose but based for adding more kisses
>>4085631ch5 truly needed to come with the full 3+4+5 package as originally intended, hell i'm sure there would have been less complain of filler
>>4085633>they are beautiful and yet they are full of thorns that keep everyone awaySooo tsundere...
>>4085635I agree but the wait for 3/4 was already cancer enough, by 5 people would have just lost all interest or became schizo.
>>4085636A tsun-tsun...
Kris would HATE to be called a tsundere, even if it's true
>>4085465She should. Susie sucks
>>4085640anon we already know this thanks to noelle's cactus in ch4kris is seething that berdly renamed the 'krismas' cactus to 'tsun'
Had a good night of sleep and went over a few videos.Time to grind the Knight. I would be surprised if I don't defeat him within today.
>>4085644The cactuses will never show up because Toby Fox is too lazy to make new darkners.
>>4085637Wasn't 2+3 also originally intended before? i'm kinda interested in what schizo shit could have come from that
Chapter 6 won't have any new dark worlds. The ice palace is the final chapter 7 shelter darkworld. Chapter 6 won't even let you visit castle town.
>>4085648>we will get the bunker in chapter 4!!>um actually kris is not a traitor they were just kneeling out of fear!!>that old book darkner seems very important!>the knight wanted toriel!
how long is it gonna take before people start calling the knight a Mary sue/gary stu?
Toby was such a pussy when he brought tenna back to life
>>4085648iirc the original plan from the ch1 era was to release 2-5 all at once, ch6 and 7 were unknown at that point then toby decided to release ch2 early in 2021 as a way to cheer people up after covid, which clued people in to the rest of the chapters the 3-5 release was first mentioned in the sweepstakes afaik, but that later was cut down to 2-3 due to ch5 still being unfinished mid 2024
>>4085647Kris's cactus did show up. She is the shy darkner hiding under the curtain in ch3 who gives us the Saber10 (which becomes a cactus needle in the light world). Sadly, we never got to see what she looks like.
>>4085651>>that old book darkner seems very important!There is no big gotcha with bibliox, and he is surprisingly revealing with the ACT featuring song names for example. No one would complain about that being the follow up to the hymn book in the house.
>>4085627Kris probably knows that as long as Noelle stays dormant things aren't unsalvageable. More likely he knew that Susie is gonna involve her sooner or later and he'll spend the time between 5 and 6 to continue setting things up either to prevent Noelle for entering or, with Susie fully distracted, to further work on the real plan.
>>4085655And now they never will because "lol simulation the world can't be bigger than my perfect dream vision"
>>4085656people would make a lot of schizo theories about bibliox only to shit their pants when it becomes a common enemy, i can also see some doomer tier "toby is gonna make eram and image_friend and gaster and the knight regular enemy encounters because he's a tricky hack!!" predictions come up by the time chapter 5 releases in that timeline
>>4085658Why is it that you think Toby dislikes fan content exactly? Because he didn't show full support for the era where one type of fan content ate basically all others?
>>4085662When he took the laziest possible path on so many concepts.
One of the worst things the post Chapter 2 wait created was Tobycore.
>>4085662Because he made the Blue Flower a muscular man in a tutu. I think he did that just to spite anyone who wanted the character to be a lady.
>>4085663What does that have to do with fan content?>the fans did it better, Toby should've just copied what we wantedShut the fuck up.
>>4085666>Toby Fox PERSONALLY me and my favorite theories
>>4085662i mean he made it no secret that he hated torgore (i thought it was shit too but it's still evidence) one could also take the mikes as him shitting on fan theories, while theorybaiting asgore as the boss of ch5 when he had zero intention of that ever being the case
>>4085669When he basically said the whole things a simulation, he made it so his fans would see it as untouchable.
>>4085658I wouldn't be so sure. I still find it weird that Kris's cactus is starting to bloom. I mean, there's nothing weird about that on its own, but if we end up having another Dark World inside Kris's house (Toriel's room maybe?) we might actually get to see the cactus.
>>4085670Never seen a developer hate a theory so much he makes a very elaborate joke behind a puzzle, three new characters that keep being used for more jokes, new music tracks and a whole unique battle gimmick to express how much he hates it
>>4085670He hated Torgore? No, he had a small handful of things that stream that he really wanted to be able to take seriously and the fallen child was one of them.
>>4085669Because of him there will never be a female Blue Flower.
>>4085666toby also made orange a woman, he was just trying to be woke by going "man with a dress, woman with manly bandana" but the dogshit textbox portrait given to blue shattered people's potential attention that couldve been given to Blue, on top of Blue being generally an uninteresting gary stu so people just focus on other characters instead
>>4085674his hussification is almost complete...
>>4085675If anything, that shows Toby's commitment to his ideas, because he wouldn't let a stupid ass fan meme ruin the thematic closure he wanted to give Chara in the stream
>>4085677Yeah that was equally stupid of him. He essentially made it impossible for there to be a male Orange Flower or a female Blue Flower
>>4085671First of all: simulation theory is the weakest variant of that whole branch, buy in on DEVICE theory while you can.Secondly, how does what you see on the screen not necessarily being the "real" state of the world prevent you from making fanfiction about it?
>>4085681There is nothing stopping you from drawing a male orange flower and a female blue flower right now in your own fan game
>>4085678Or he didn't "hate" the Mike theories so much as think they'd become a complex unto themselves that stopped having much to do with the canon of Deltarune somewhere along the way.
>>4085682Because if you dare do something that goes against the vision, as in seriously goes against vision, you get dog piled by the cult he created.
>>4085687Not everything is as important as Kris' pronouns but if you want to keep this scenario in your head it's all on you
Mikefags continue acting like rape victims. Vibe theories can't stop losing.
>>4085684There's the control freak moderators taking your content down for "queen erasure". If I tried to post Belle the Blue Flower, that would be the result. I might even lose my account.
>>4085687That has nothing to do with it being a simulation. I think you're just throwing whatever buzzwords you pick up into your doomposting script without realizing what they mean or how they relate.
>>4085691Can you show any proof this happened or are you making shit up to get mad about?
>>4085694They took down gendered Kris for that reason.
>>4085661God i can perfectly see that happening. Why are people such schizophrenics when it comes to this game?
Deltarune FINAL BOSS
>>4085482>It also lead to the Mike trio's creationYou just explained why it was the worst theory ever
>>4085695What does that have to do with Belle the Blue Flower, an entirely new character?
>>4085696Because whatever information we have now must be the MOSTEST IMPORTANTEST KEY TO THE WHOLE STORYIt's some combination of recency bias and collective magpie syndrome where the first open hole in the story is where the most recent "floating important name" goes every goddamn time
>>4085699The REAL Mike is in Dess's room
>>4085484How the fuck do people act like that in 4chan of all places? you are no one here. If you posted a shitty theory 4 years ago and it turns out to be wrong, no one will ever know
>>4085706Speak for yourself, I personally keep a notarized list of everyone I've disagreed with and plan to drag their theories out of the archive to laugh at them when the game is over.
>>4085708Well yeah but no one will ever know who they are. They could come back and laugh at their shit theories with you and no one would ever know (unless they are namefags, in that case they deserve it)
>>4085645Aaand it's done.I forgot to HoldBreath with Kris before the final attack like a fucking idiot so I barely clutched it.
>>4085661He is almost SCREAMING that FRIEND is just a common enemy by this point>multiple of them show up in MANTLE>Pink calls them a pack of dumb cats
>>4085708This but completely unironically.
>>4085713Congratulations anon. You made daddy G very proud
>>4085714I feel like they might be more along the lines of endless summoned adds in a handful of fights, not common enemies but not a single specific boss character either.
>>4085714I have no idea how people didn't realize they are minions in chapter 3 when a boss literally spawns them as such
>>4085675Hussie says he hates Togore and he genuinely disliked anytime Togore was winning, even before the serious moments.
>>4085722Source?
>>4085651Kris and the Knight are working together to prevent a worse fate that Kris witnessed before he reset his save, they will be recontextualized as secret heroes like Xehanort.
>>4085653Darkners don't die unless their object is damaged but the tv itself should have been more beat up after Knight's attack
>>4085655My wife is so shy...
>>4085662Toby spent all of chapter 5 shitting on fans before he destroyed the city and escaped to the sea
>>4085653Toby was a pussy ever since chapter 1. The fact you can beat king using pure pacifism despite the story saying otherwise is offensive.
>>4085727You have some kind of mental illness.
>>4085719FRIEND got too much momentum as a character after 3 years of theories and it didn't get a hard deconfirmation
>>4085729>you can beat king using pure pacifismNo you fucking can't what are you talking about
>>4085733you can stall until you win by defending until you win, same with gerson's fight
Is Susie really this retarded or just pretending?
>>4085736She's a girl who's never had friends before so she pretends to not see anything in hope it goes away.
>>4085734I literally never knew this. Damn. Oh well, it's not like the game was ever trying to make fighting the good option, just make clear that it isn't the end of the world when it happens.
>>4085723
>>4085740Togoretastic.
>>4085740That's a lot more nothing than I expected. It's Hussie saying he isn't going to relay a question pertaining to Deltarune's ultra hidden lore, especially a joke question.
>>4085743Toby added So Sorry to the eggroom, he didn't dislike that because muh lore.
>>4085752The art room is in Deltarune. Answering a joke lore question about Deltarune during an Undertale stream is different from adding something to Deltarune.
>>4085739He shouldn't be pacifistcucking in a separate game
>>4085740I have a conspiracy theory that Toby genuinely hates the Togore bit because it turns his whole Gaster concept into a joke, especially since it was originally ("Luigi takes the fall") but by Undertale he was trying to take it seriously
>>4085756You can get the exact same result from fighting as pacifism. That's the opposite of "pacifistcucking".
>>4085755Hussie wasn't streaming Undertale, I'm pretty sure. It was just his own personal stream. People just wanted to use their friendship to know more about Deltarune, like Toby responded positively to Apple Girlington questions in that very stream.
>>4085736She's as retarded as her writers.So, she's very retarded. And this was supposed to be the replacement for Noelle. What a stupid writing decision.
>>4085758>it turns his whole Gaster concept into a jokeCould you elaborate?
>>4085759Ralsei learns nothing in the pacifist version of the scene. In the violent version, Ralsei makes up for his mistake and pacifies the king while he's distracted.
>>4085690dess SHOVED mike into her SMELLY DOE PUSSY
>>4085766if you masturbate with an object or rump a pillow or whatever, would the darkner feel raped?
>>4085736She is genuinely retarded. Yes, she is ignoring some things just to keep her ideal world go on for a bit longer, but she is also straight up retarded.
>fight the first genuinely evil boss that cannot be reasoned with>pacifism still works on him perfectly fineThe existence of Undertale has done immeasurable damage to this game.
>>4085770Toby Fox does not believe in genuinely evil characters. He does not think the King is genuinely evil.
>>4085770Setting aside this weird pacifism vs fighting thing you guys have going on, i do feel like Undertale's existence did compromise Deltarune a lot. One can only wonder what this game would be like if Undertale didn't exist
>>4085765that's a result from fighting enemies tho what you do to King is irrelevant
>>4085764Togore and Gaster have the same "erased from the canon" concept, except Togore is just a fucked up looking Asriel who acts funny. Even though it's not directly Gaster, he still had to acknowledge something using the same concept in the 10th anniversary stream because of Togore too. Plus it adds another sibling to the Dreemurrs when in that same stream Toby showed how much he still really cares about Chara and Asriel's relationship specifically, so Togore was like cousin Kyle from south park to him
>>4085484>For a lot of people being wrong is akin to the greatest humilation one can haveNigga it's just speculation about about an indie game. Nothing will happen if you were right or wrongI mean, the worst thing can happen is if the developer directly tells you that you were wrong, like Matpat with his Sans is Ness theory, which funnily enough, people realized he was actually the closest to the truth 10 years later, it's just he made the wrong conclusion since Deltarune wasn't even out yet>>4085770I think Deltarune has an identity crisisIt doesn't know if it should be its own thing or a successor to Deltarune. Plus Undertale characters gets shafted in favor of new charactersToby should've pulled Steel Ball Run and made entirely new characters without any of the returning characters
>>4085760Oh, I thought this was someone asking questions during the 10th anniversary stream since that was the main locus of Toby's engagement with Togore.>Toby responded positively to Apple Girlington questions in that very stream.Apple Girlington isn't Deltarune specific secret lore, it's an old Toby OC. Yes I'm aware the question was "is she gonna be the secret boss???" but given Pink's intro I think Toby was prepared for a specific handful of questions about ch5 and "secret boss doko?" Was one.
>>4085770Who?..
>>4085779Actually forget about the last lineIt sounds very retarded since it ignore the Gaster stuff that is explicitly connected to Undertale
>>4085773ch1&2 were made to bait undertale fans in but after that it feels so bizarrely disconnected from undertale that a scene or two with deltarune asriel or papyrus wont feel that satisfying (especially since finally seeing deltarune asriel will cause mass seethe whether he's fat or he's not fat or he doesn't look like god of hyperdeath asriel or etc.)
>>4085779If I'm wrong I get a worse experience because end up not getting what I want
>>4085785I'm sure everyone felt like that at some point in chapter 5
>>4085786Yeah, dont do that
>>4085782The super evil dude who did jack shit but sit in his castle while almost everyone else went about their day and while his son fucked around in the woods
>>4085788But they told me he was a tyrant! He locked up the other kings and put Rouxls in charge! How can he not be eeeeeeviiiiiil enough that he deserves to DIE???
>>4085770This isn't an issue. Deltarune made a point about your choices not mattering, and showed that despite however you chose to go about your journey, the dark world closed and nothing mattered in the end.The REAL problem comes from>This suddenly not being the case in Chapter 2 onward>Berdly's arm is impacted in the real world >Despite you being able to ignore the fight button, Giga Queen can only be defeated through violence>Tenna's state is affected by you recruiting everyone>The Titan is the first time you can only fight (The Knight is technically optional)>Flowery of all people is the first time you're forced to ACT to winIf our choices really didn't matter, then these moments of complete railroading shouldn't even exist, and the Weird Route should be us pushing things to the limit to actually show we can make our choices matter. But that can't work when we have definitive proof that we can change things without the weird route, and the excuses for why you can't do something become flimsier every time.I'm just saying, Flowery is meant to have "ultimate stats" but you can still damage him. Realistically you should literally do 0 damage to justify why you're forced to ACT to defeat him, but instead we get some retarded bullshit with characters forcibly healing Flowery. The issue was never that you could refuse to fight King and still win, the issue is that it created a precedent that Toby can't even follow, and even worse can't see the most blindingly obvious excuses to allow for these exceptions in the first place.
>>4085791>but instead we get some retarded bullshit with characters forcibly healing Flowery.not to mention that there was no reason for why toby couldnt just make it so that susie would be like "look! an opening! i have an idea!" and throw you up the tower once you dealt enough damage to flowery
>>4085792It's insane how easy this sort of shit is to fix if you think about it for more than 5 seconds
>>4085791Genuinely, why isn't Tenna an ACT only fight? He's a giant hunk of metal and plastic, he shouldn't be so easily fucked up by some kids playing pretend, especially when you're literally in HIS TV world. He should be complete lord of that domain. That and he's the minigame guy, why wouldn't you force people to engage in his mechanics? This only makes it more ridiculous when you realize the fight directly following him can only be won by fighting. Why wouldn't you have two back to back fights showing that you may be forced to do these two exact things, which are then followed up in the next chapters with a FIGHT and ACT only pair of final bosses? And no, Toby is not trying to be subversive. He's not the "subversion" guy, this is just incompetence.
>>4085794he's surprisingly fragile
Someone finally made a video on the theory I've been calling out since the chapter 2 days but people laughed at me saying "toby will never do it!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK1ACltXQNg
>>4085793Because other people already fixed it. Because they recognized it for shit
>>4085780No it was just a random Hussie stream a bit before 5 came out, but I think the fact he was fine with everything except Togore means he doesn't really like it.
>>4085796Anyone who isn't thinking this is retarded, which all teenagers and manchidlren are.
>>4085581It would be so gay if Asriel was the Knight.
>>4085796Toby's dream was the Player character falling in love with him.
>>4085794actually, it would be cool if tenna is normally invulnerable to your party's attacks, but if you do the sword route, kris is capable of actually dealing damage (with the check text throwing some explanation like "TVs have their weak spots" or something like that) so you would need to go out of your way to be able to hurt tenna, just like how you need to go out of your way to be able to kill berdly through the weird route
The knight is a man. Proof? Just look at him. No female has proportions like that. Anybody who argues otherwise is a coomer.
>>4085808Samus proportions.
>>4085785>>4085786I was skeptical of Flowey returning the whole time during the post trailer days. I wasn't going to fall for this shit again, and guess what, I didn't.
>>4085810samus would solve deltarune
>>4085791You can't fight Flowery because Susie and Ralsei don't want to fight Flowery. It's part of the story. Your own party doesn't want to beat him with violence and it plays with the story's build up so far of Susie, and now Ralsei too, making decisions away from Kris and the player's choices, because you don't actually control everyone in Deltarune and you never did.
>>4085814>because you don't actually control everyone in Deltarune and you never did."you can't control them but they can control you" type shit, what a joke.
>>4083939not an RPG
>>4085814Again, Flowery does not need to take damage for this to still happen.>Attack>Deal no damage>"* Kris we promised not to hurt him">* Susie and Ralsei can no longer FIGHTGets the same message across, without the bullshit of making them retardedly waste resources needed to ACT in the first place.
>>4085814This is the most retarded thing Toby has done so far, that isn't a problem in itself, the problem is not providing ANY (meaningful) alternative and being done poorly on top of it.Because your supposedly "downed" teammates just decide to wake up and heal Flowery before going back to sleep.What a fucking joke this game has become.
>>4083960What if the dark fountain under the lack or in the shelter is contaminating Hometown's water supply with darkness, making the residents more susceptible to the flow of the prophecy? That's why everyone seems so unbothered by things that should otherwise upset them, like Undyne missing or the church getting smashed up. You can even hear the shelter sound in the Holiday mansion basement FIND IT, among the pipes.
>>4085814You should be able to beat flowery up even if those two traitors dont want to, fighting them if necessary
>>4085814Maybe he shouldn't be making rpgs if he thinks this way.
>>4085827same with the blue and yellow fightblue having infinite healing is a cop out
"THE LAST FUN CHAPTER" everyone.
imagine if you played d&d and there was a dickhead player healing the enemy up and being autistic over "noo we wont defeat him like that!!", his ass would be out the door in seconds, and yet you guys are making excuses for this asinine bullshit against deltarune flowery
>>4085831It wasn't fun. At all. The cuck shit was where I stopped having fun.
>>4085831erm, that was chapter 3ch5 was less fun than ch4, which is when shit started getting serious
>>4085831certainly not so fun compared to chapter 1-3, it feels like an in-between fun and serious, it TRIES to be fun and quirky but sometimes also takes itself seriously and ruins the fun but also backs out before it gets a little TOO grim
>>4085832>imagine if you played [completely separate fucking game]
>>4085837its meant to be a comparison dumbass, a party member being so disobediently shitty as to sabotage you like that would be unthinable and probably get casually flamed in any other game and fandom but deltarune's
>>4085835>>40858363 wasn't fun, it was a cynical deconstruction of what a "fun" chapter is expected to be
>>4085666Why does pretty much every 666 get have the truest opinions?
>>4085841they're all posted by g man himself
>>4085838it's a horrible fucking comparison cause you're comparing playing with real people to an anime nigga in a single player video game
>>4085791>Realistically you should literally do 0 damage to justify why you're forced to ACT to defeat himSuch an elegant perfect solutionWhy is tony such a hack
Asgore is honestly such a shit character
>>4085669>>PERSONALLY me and my favorite theorieshe personally what? Toby's identity is actually you and your favorite theorites?
>>4085686>>4085674He doesn't hate the theory, he hates his fans. Try to keep up.
>>4085845>player getting fucked over by a dickhead party member>players getting fucked over by a dickhead party memberpretty similar
>>4085819I still don't see the point of this change. You're just removing the annoying TP wasting to heal him, but fighting him is already impossible so you shouldn't be trying to attack him in the first place.
>>4085845There are single player video games that solved this problem too back in the 90s. Make the party members completely ai if you don't want the player to give them commands in battle.
>>4085851The option is there, so some players will pick it. Instead of dicking them over, having it give the most realistic outcome should be a given.
>>4085731>being retarded and schizophrenic is.......le badLeast obvious shill.>>4085734>same with gerson's fightSeriously? I assumed I had to attack Gerson no matter what like with Sans.
>>4085841>>4085843all my niggas gonersnigga heil gaster
>>4085854I don't see how this is dicking over the players. If anything, this is a funny callback to Chapter 1 where you had to ACT to tell the enemies to avoid getting hit by Susie, but now the player is in Susie's place if you want to fight them so badly.
>>4085847he is the best character, sabotaged to be the worst character because toby hates his dad
>>4085858>had toI didn't do thatAnd it's not funny.Touch my quest with that, you shouldn't be allowed to make them.
>>4085858Contrarian or room temperature IQ.Call it.
>>4085807This but have it be a special ACT for Kris where vidya Kris shows up and walks into Tenna's screen similar to how he just casually walks out of the Mantle tv, then any time Kris attacks its shows vidya Kris attacking Tenna's weak spot on his screen face, being the only way to deal damage in the fight.
>>4085858>you had to ACT to tell the enemies to avoid getting hit by Susieyeah if you were a fucking bitch, its actually better to let her attack because she immediately brings the top enemy to Tired HP so you can just run down the row pacifying until you win
>>4085867Imagine playing 5 Chapters of this game and you still don't get it. Your loss!
>>4085858Those aren't remotely the same. ACTing to make enemies specifically avoid Susie's attacks is you engaging with an obstacle that could prevent you from getting the pacifist outcome of King's fight.Susie healing Flowery even when she's downed, and there's no TP, is just the game screaming "You're playing the game wrong"Earlier in the chapter, Susie asked you to promise to not hurt the flowers. If you attack with her or Ralsei in Flowery's fight, their FIGHT command becomes unselectable. This, along with making Flowery unable to take damage, would be more than enough, because the mere act of attempting to do that should realistically offend anyone who asked to not use violence. But if we're so dead set on the attacks actually doing damage, here's another idea. Reuse the same fucking thing Susie did in the Gerson Statue fight, where she'll specifically block Kris' attack from landing. Toby literally had the answer to making FIGHTing not work through Susie's actions, and still went the most retarded route possible.
>>4085835>startedKey word being "started" because it was still 80% jokes throughout ch4
>>4085871I dunno about that as I vaguely remember Susie one tapping Jigsawrys
>>4085876imo most of the comedy was done by the time the first sanctuary is sealed
>>4085878That is quite literally the only exception yes, and the game telegraphs that to you from all the jigsawry "corpses" so you might not have to trial and error that info. Every other enemy can tank 1 hit from Susie, and that hit brings them to low enough hp for PAcify to work, every time
The real problem with Flowe4y is the fight shouldn't involve the flowers attacking you, it should be a full pacifist fight on both sides so maybe have something like TP is treated as your health and they're trying to push you away and the loss condition for the fight is getting pushed into a light pillar and returned to the real world. That's just one example, but in general it's dumb that you have to hold back when they aren't.
>>4085882>they're trying to push you away and the loss condition for the fight is getting pushed into a light pillar and returned to the real world.whats funny is thats exactly what the pacifist sans fight was, where his attacks dont do damage but if he pushes your soul out of the box it counts as you fleeing
>>4085875>where she'll specifically block Kris' attack from landing.where'd you get that from? Susie questions why Kris is attacking but doesn't stop him. You just miss because it's dark, same as Jackenstein
>>4085884That's the first time you attack. The second time, Susie outright stops the attack from happening.
Any ideas about what Kris and the Knight are trying to achieve? What's the gist of their plan?
>>4085875I'm sorry but I really don't get why is this so important. At most I can agree the TP to heal Flowery is kinda dumb, but I don't understand why it annoys you so much that happens when it's at most a technicality to reach the same outcome that you cannot beat Flowery by fighting, with the examples you're providing. You are still being railroaded to the same outcome outside of your control.
>>4085886oh, carry on then.
>>4085858Then you can do it in a more fun way.>attack with Kris, the only character you'll be able to do damage with>Ralsei and Susie warn Flowery that you're attacking>attacking is normal the first turn>the next time you attack, Rouxls appears and Susie has an idea>tells Rouxls to use his laser pointer to show where you are going to attack>Rouxls accidentally has the laser set to spread so you have to get a critical in order to deal damage because the rest of the attack line is covered in laser pointer and will cause the attack to miss if you don't get in the small space that isn't covered
>>4085887crashing this planewith no survivors
>>4085888nta, put it like this: Imagine Flowery was Muffet instead. Everytime you tried attacking her, the game would drain D$ from you that you did not get back. I believe that's the problem he has with it using TP, the game outright punishes you for trying at all by spending a resource you could be using on ACTs or healing yourself.
Toby personally made Flowery not fightable because he hates me personally.
>>4085890counterpoint, I fucking hate Roulx and that character is so unfunny I'd kill myself if he's cock blocking me from attacking again
>>4085887I think it's making sure the entire prophecy goes smoothly and maybe with some adjustments we don't know the specifics of yet.
>>4085887Occult ritual involving sacrifices of Undertale characters.
>>4085891If I pull the soul off, will Kris die?
>>4085890>>attack with Kris, the only character you'll be able to do damage with>>Ralsei and Susie warn Flowery that you're attacking>>attacking is normal the first turnYou had it right here, you don't need to involve rules. The next natural step should be>You now MISS every attack you throw at Flowery>Susie has now done exactly what you can do to her in chapter 1, use the Warn actThe whole chapter is supposed to be callbacks, that would've been a very fun way to get it turned on it's head. Like I couldn't be that mad anymore if it happened to me, fucking well played right?
>>4085883I don't think that was in the game when I played years ago, I've been meaning to get back into it someday with all the additions. Guess that's another example of a decent answer already existing though.
>>4085901>rulesim fucking drunk, rouxls*
>>4085900it would be extremely painful
>>4085888The difference, outside of the punishment for even trying it, is immersion. Susie has shown she can get in your way to interrupt your actions in previous chapters. Flowery has been hyped up to have "Maximum stats" which should realistically mean you cannot harm him in any way. If Flowery just took no damage, then I could just nod along and go "that makes sense, he's cheating with 99 defense" but instead we have our allies ignoring the turn order to cast a spell that uses TP, but also gets cast anyway if you can't afford to cast the spell, to undo an action that could just as easily been done by saying the attack did nothing, or that Susie stopped you.It's just overcomplicating something that already had established and clean solutions. The 99 defense thing would add to the twist that The Knight can ignore those statistics as well.
>>4085902It's a thing from the 10th anniversary stream. Here, go nuts anonhttps://ut10-battle.undertale.com/
>>4085893That will only happen if you're still trying to attack in the fight when it was spelled out to you you're not meant to attack, as they heal Flowery at no TP cost in the first turn you tried to attack him. Why would you spend another turn trying to fight in the first place?
>>4085905Kris is a cute human
>>4085895>I'd kill myselfHoly based TOBY PLEASE PATCH ROUXLS INTO THE CHAPTER 5 FINAL BOSS>he's cock blocking me from attacking againNice job admitting you suck at the game lmao
>>4085901I was putting out an idea that involves still being able to attack if you want, it's not like it would change the outcome of the fight that much anyway
So, how are we feeling about tomorrow's Nintendo Direct?
>>4085906I don't think this is relevant enough to break my immersion and can't see why it's so much worse that Susie heals him with your TP instead of just blocking, when you're not even meant to have your TP spent if you just stopped fighting him in the first attempt. I cannot see why this is a big deal to you, but thanks for explaining it anyway
>>4085913for you
>>4085887>Any ideas about what Kris and the Knight are trying to achieve?We don’t know. But one thing is certain: Kris wants to protect Noelle. Kris told Noelle this himself when he visited her between Chapters 3 and 4. Kris distanced himself from Noelle because it’s part of the plan. One aspect of this plan is protecting Noelle. In WR, Kris just can’t take it anymore and goes to talk to Noelle in private. His voice was literally trembling during that conversation because he finally decided to spill the beans. Of course, he didn't tell everything, but he said enough to jeopardize the plan.
>>4085917I feel it's too soon, we likely won't get any chapter 6 info until next year
>>4085917character models look weird and have too many textures i don't really see a reason to play this over the original or the 3ds gameruto is an honorary human
>>4085907Neat, thanks.
>>4085921I really think swapping noelle for susie as the hero would explain so much from so many angles. It's definitely my pet theory
>>4085913>Kris is a human that wants to be a monster>the fagnificent seven are flowers that want to be humans and an extra one that is a darkner possessed by a lightner that wants to pass as a flower trying to pass as a human
>>4085893not the greatest example as TP is a battle specific resource that's very easily accumulated and reset after each fight anyway, even then within Flowery's fight S/R-action just make TP on the fly. Plus you already have other actions or how just one of Flowery's attacks just showers you in a ton of TP anyway.It's not really treated as on the same level as a resource that's obtained after the fight, DOESNT reset, and also lets you buy weapons, armor, and items.
>>4085920Cyan eyes little Kris is my favorite headcanon.
>>4085921WTF? What scene is that from?
>>4085921How do Kriselle fans cope knowing that this is still purely Kriselle and that she doesn't feel romantically attached to the soul separate from Kris?
Any mods to fix the Castle Town BGM in chapter 4? It seems to be playing the wrong music...
>>4085933normally kriselle fans hate youelle
>>4085933I'm happy.
>>4085917Frisk is getting into Smash tomorrow.
The girl Swap theory is very retarted because you can't know who the heroes will be.
>>4085929TP literally turns into Dark Dollars after a battle.
>>4085933why would they care about that
>>4085853but the NPCs are people too anon! susie and ralsei are your friends who you care so much about! that's why they disobey you since you don't know the real reason why they have to stop you or whatever for some reason...and make sure not to do the weird route either it's very naughty!
>>4085936No, they hate youelle separate from Kriselle because they headcanon that somehow Kriselle is a special youelle for them because they self insert as Kris and assume Noelle's love is for them standing in as Kris. It's like if Pink and Kris dated and Maddie assumed Kris liked her and not just Mew Mew.
>>4085933I know you think every person into kriselle is a self-inserter but that's really not the case
>>4085931It's from THE Scene. Or at least what used to be THE Scene until chapter 5.
>>4085944>do bad thing>WTF why isn't my party doing the bad thing with me? fucking shitty friends
>>4085940but what if the knight knew?
>>4085814and this is why the weird route where we hopefully kill everyone is justified. imagine making the evil route the preferable option because you're trying to give the NPCs whose job is to listen to the player not so it
>>4085931WR Chapter 4. The scene on the long couch.
>>4085832That's an in-party conflict, it's totally normal. I wouldn't expect to see them kicked out because "we were gonna win dude!!!", the issue would only be if they were failing to roleplay the conflict.
>>4085949darkners aren't people
>>4085946>No, they hate youelle separate from Kriselle because they headcanon that somehow Kriselle is a special youelle for them because they self insert as Kris and assume Noelle's love is for them standing in as KrisMeds
>>4085952>the NPCs whose job is to listen to the player[WRONG]
>>4085941excess TP, added along to base you get just from completing a battle. which filling up the bar isn't a priority outside of CH3 boards but again it's a post fight thing regardless, in context to just the battle itself you basically have MP bar that you can fill up in various means that wouldn't require something like a potion in regular RPGs
>>4085921>Kris wants to protect Noelle. >Kris distanced himself from Noelle because it’s part of the plan. The pieces of the puzzle are finally starting to come together.
>>4085950Unlikely.
>>4085955But there is no role-playing here. Toby Fox hates role-playing and thinks you should bend to the whims of npcs each and every time.
You guys have yet to make a single argument that disproves or explains my feelings.
>>4085966Oh, so just like most RPGs then. Cool.
>>4085968nintendo remakes be like
>>4085968
>>4084630Funny how halloween is still kinda monster-themed in Deltarune, with jack-o-lanterns, vampires and stuff.I'd expect humans to be the subject of halloween or something, especially because Noelle was scared of humans under her bed and the bunny kid being scared of Kris.
>>4085974Human culture supremacy baby.
>>4085886Man imagine if they actually just jump off their little floating platform just to take a single blow lol
>>4085887>What's the gist of their plan?Stopping US from getting into the shelterThat's why the two of them have been targeting code holders and why Kris always stops you from reading the codes.
>>4085981Thank god Susie is there to get the codes for us!
>>4085966Susie and Ralsei have an in-character reason to behave as they do. Thus, the potential problem with a player who heals an enemy is not present. "Role playing" does not mean "making choices".
>>4085968oh sweetpure nightmare fuel
>>4084980>Susie also bleedsIn the dark world, where you become who you want to be (in her case, a Human)
>>4085236The text is formatted to show an image, but I really don't know what its supposed to be. A snow angel? Or something else...
>>4085968Excuse me but Mew Mew is a HUMAN girl according to lore.
>>4085982I wouldn't be too sure.Mantle game puts a massive emphasis on the shelter.It would be strange for us to have full access to it on a normal route.
>>4085861>because toby hates his dadThen why does he keep putting Asgore in a more sympathetic light?You can make a better argument for Toby hating his own mom with how the way Toriel acts in recent chapters
>>4085994Well the Shelter is where big G and probably every other Mystery person resides so I think we're go in there in both routes.
>>4085996>Gaster>being ANYWHERE in HometowndoubtDeltarune is a program, and he is just chilling in the true lab
The shelter is a perfect example of a JJ Abrahms mystery box. What's in there? Who knows! It could be anything! Not even the author!
>>4086001>What's in there?Free experience.
>>4086001I don't think Toby will pull out FNAF 4 box with the shelterI know for sure we will get there in chapter 7A
>>4086000>True LabSorry Alphys owns that place now. Go get another lab fatass skeleton.
>>4085819Flowery can't avoid taking damage. It's a fucking plant, anything you do to it will one-shot it. That's kinda the point. Your party could easily just slice him up. But the "fight" wasn't about that.
>>4086008Flowery has maximum stats. He literally shouldn't be able to take damage.
https://youtu.be/fx86HSlHRB4
>>4086005I bet the contents of the shelter have already changed once while developing the chapters
>>4086006The lab is still being operated by Gaster, and Alphys is in the dump with Catty and BrattyThe time of shattering hasn't happened yet
>>4086010The stats are fake. It's a flower. It takes zero effort to snap it in half.
>>4086016And yet, the stats are still there, and implied to be working until The Knight very specifically breaks the illusion of them to Flowery's surprise.
>>4086013Considering that Shadow Crystals got added at chapter 2, and they're associated with the Roaring Knight, I would say it's possible some changes happened, but big picture is still the same
The stats are real. The knight was about to die before he turned the 9's into 0's.
>>4085908the problem is that it breaks immersion because it implies that susie and ralsei couldve done this "heals up while downed" shit for you against the knight but didn't, "you could just not attack more than once durr" is valid but the fact it happens at all is baffling
>>4086024yeah right, if his ass couldn't use his "real" defense to stop me from dealing damage the little fuck wasn't ready for the Knight
>>4086027>"heals up while downed"They weren't downed they were SWOONEDVery different since we're shown the knight can inflict some form of dark world true damage.
>>4086021if we can just ignore stats, break rules of the game whenever, Kris and the party can disobey us, and the gameplay keeps getting easier, and even though the journey is supposed to be more important than the ending where all the important information is I wonder what is the point of any of this? it seems like the party could function without the player. why even make this a game and not a visual novel?
>>4085808The knight is a man because women can't be knights. You heard it first here, folks!
>>4086032because kris find it fun to have adventures for the sake of it, ralseis says somehting like thatIts going to pull the self aware videogame cardsoon enough
>>4086032because the world falls to darkness in the end without you, that's why gaster summoned us, to break the timeloop at any cost
>>4086021Yes, the stats were there. If you choose to acknowledge them and play by the Dark world's rules, you can't defeat Flowery. You'd deal some pathetic damage to him, then he hits you ten times for 999 and it's game over for you. Even if he doesn't attack you, he can just prolong the fight infinitely, Mercy you, get Blue to heal him to the max, etc., all while your party looks like a bunch of villain idiots who got mad at some flower. So the next logical thing is to do what the Knight did and ignore the stats altogether. Then Flowery is just a flower that can be cut with just one swing. Which brings us back to the point that it's not the way this battle is supposed to be fought. Otherwise why aren't we doing the same to other bosses? Would take just one rip to tear the King in two, one swing at Tenna to destroy it. What does that accomplish exactly?
>>4085455>fakeout from Chapter 1's end and Chapter 2's introIts not actually a fakeout. An anon theorized that every time Kris sleeps with the soul inside he dreams about the past, and that's why he takes out the soul to sleep. At the beginning of chapter 2 we're inside him, at the beginning of chapter 4 we're also inside Kris, that's why we see a "flashback" of closing the fountain.
>>4085808A man with a visible ribcage?Papyrusbros, where you at?
>>4085467>the grooming Dess theoryI mean its quite obvious in hindsight and Toby is actually going for it. Kris likes acting like a dog, there's dialogue with Bratty that showed that Kris used to be an errand boy to the teen kids doing whatever they asked, Kris is obedient and submissive to the Knight, Dess never let him play her games and hit him with the wiffle bat every now and then but Kris still had a band with her, she showed music videos on MTV while Toriel was away, and there's two damning evidences in chapter 5 that show Kris either liked Dess and felt jealous of Asriel or utterly hated her for taking Asriel from him: the dirt throwing scene he reminisces when Noelle and Susie go on the ferris wheel, and the fact that Kris has read the letters Asriel wrote to December countless times before.
>>4086049Dont give me hope
>>4086049>utterly hated her for taking Asriel from himDon't you think you're being a bit dramatic? We have a similar scene with Susie throwing dirt at Kris and Noelle while they were on the Ferris wheel, and Susie doesn't hate Kris at all. It was just simple, innocent jealousy. Kris surely felt the same as Susie at that time.
>>4085981How does the game actually expect you to get in there then
>>4085982I don't want the dyke Susie to do everything for me. It means I would be forced to support suselle.
>>4086049I wouldn't go that far but I can absolutely see the twist being that it's Dess who was Kris' crush. Especially if it's coupled with something like Kris (or even Noelle) was partially to blame for what happened to her.
>>4086041A lot, actually.
>>4085981Makes no sense. We wouldn't have had any plot-related reason to take interest in the shelter if the Knight hadn't taken Undyne into it.
>>4086059>Don't you think you're being a bit dramatic?Kek its like we're not even playing the same game.Kris is incredibly possessive of everything related to Asriel and doesn't let you see or know one bit about him except things he clearly let you. He also expresses displeasure in the fact that Ralsei looks like Asriel in multiple occasions.>Susie doesn't hate Kris at allYeah lets ignore the sweepstakes, chapter 1, what every other classmate says about Susie, and also her "normal" behaviour of taking everything Kris has for her in every chapter (no she didn't evolve as much as you imagine). She gets extremely proby and jealous if you abandon the weird route, she doesn't hate Kris as much now because she believes whatever Kris and Noelle had (in her head) is over, but the moment you make it seem like they're still having something together she does feel the need to put Kris in his place and affirm that he's not with Noelle.
>>4086074>killing Lancer makes sure you're softlocked in both chapter 2 and 3Would've been funny actually, your last boss is Rouxls who you can't win against because you're forced to "act" until you die or get bored.
>>4086041>Would take just one rip to tear the King in two, one swing at Tenna to destroy it. What does that accomplish exactly?Under the circumstances of the game, nothing, if anything not taking it seriously is all part of Kris's plan, Ralsei seems fine with following the plan, and Susie is Susie. If this were another story were the three heroes actually did want to save the world and there wasn't some weird conspiracy going on I would see a lot of use in completely smashing apart whatever obstacle gets in their way though, the fate of the world is at stake after all.
Basically, dark worlds are powered by imagination. Flowery can set his stats to whatever he wants by imaging it so. The knight got around it by denying the fantasy, using his real lightner strength to overpower a flower. It's a great strategy against darkners, but doesn't work against lightners. The fun gang would easily overpower Rudy.
>>4086062Lake Skip>>4086075Except for the Roaring
>>4086091The roaring has nothing to do with the shelter.
>>4086083I think the set up is that this is exactly what will end up happening when shit hits the fan. I feel like Kris and Ralsei are both more than capable of shitting on rules whenever it suits them and it's probably why Susie is allowed so much freedom for now. They both can shut her down in a single turn if they need it, it's just it wasn't needed so far, I guess one time if you count Kris slash.
>>4086049Jaru is right, Kris hated Dess for taking Asriel from them and thus murdered her.
>>4086095Jaru hasn't been right about anything.
>>4086089How will the fun gang defeat the Knight if they couldn't get below 80% of its health last time?
>>4086049hey i like the art but you must be smoking the same stuff as jaru we don't know the extent of their relationship and there's far more hints of kris having feelings for noelle. for all we know dess prolly saw kris as the annoying kid tagging along with her brother every time.
>>4086093>The roaring has nothing to do with the shelter.I could be wrong, but wasn't that shelter built for extreme emergencies? Like, it might be the only safe place during the Roaring.
>>4086099get Kris to fall down a long flight of stairs and pilot his unconscious body so he doesn't stab his friends again
>>4086099By beating up Rudy in the light world. There's a reason the knight's identity is kept secret.
>>4085680>Throw a poll that fans can vote on>Get pissed off when the thing you wanted to win doesn't winLmoa
it was probably a "holy shit two cakes" situation for kris lets be real
>>4086108Susie will beat up Noelle's cancer patient dad?
>>4086097He's THE prophet of our time.
>>4086108>>4086114If Kris feeds Rudy the golden seeds in the hospital I'm going to lose it.
>>4086100Krisellebots FEAR the Dessinator
>>4086099kris will use her puppydog eyes on the knight to instantly fill her mercy meter
>egg room has 6 golden flowersKris is the forgotten man. The fifth encounter with the forgotten man implies there is an infinite loop of egg rooms, indicating that there might be some time fuckery happening, also implied in the chapter 3 egg room with the "dinosaurs still existing today, stuff got mixed up".The flowers are a clue to the identity of the forgotten man. He doesn't know his identity but he's in the art therapy room, he's in the man country, he's lost in the forest, and he has 6 golden flowers. Those 6 flowers came from the packet Kris got in chapter 5, its a clue that Kris is the forgotten man himself, probably a way to remind himself of who he is, just like he kept the flying aces with himself and they ended up in mancountry.
>>4086134This, too, is an allusion to the original UNALTERED that existed before Gaster modded everything and then ERAM corrupted it even more.
>>4086049I want to add on my own thing I noticed, in ch3 right before you do the third mantle board you can get behind the counter to ramb's shop (The window in the light world) and see susie (dess parallel) and ralsei (asriel parallel) sitting on the green couch (Asriel's bed) playing games on the tv (Asriel's computer). It lines up way too well as evidence for kris being jealous he doesn't get to hang out with one or both of them as kids
>>4086137Then the Side B player will corrupt it even more if we really get to shatter/kill Gaster.
>>4086134>implying Toby would have the balls to call Kris a man
>>4086134Do you think Kris "losing his memory/identity" so to speak is the result of the incident or was he always like that? Remember how Noelle noted that he'd sometimes freeze as if he suddenly remembered something and then change behavior immediately?
>>4086127why didn't Kris use his puppy dog eyes against Pink? Is he fucking stupid?
Which side are you>Kris they/them pronouns are hiding some horrible shit in his past, man country>Kris they/them pronouns are hiding that she is the hero with love crossed in her heart>Toby just wanted social credit score for having a nonbinary protag
>>4086147Toby likes gender neutral/ambiguous protagonists.
>>4086147I'm on the side of>it worked for Frisk so no reason to not do it here too
>>4086134>The fifth encounter with the forgotten man implies there is an infinite loop of egg roomshe only does this if you're missing eggs. He's just saying you missed one or more
>>4086140>It lines up way too well as evidence for kris being jealous he doesn't get to hang out with one or both of them as kidsNot just that but he's the one playing with the knock-off controller (the same one under Asriel's bed, they have two, an official one and a pink and yellow knockoff).There's a picture of Asriel and Kris playing together and Asriel would use the knockoff controller when they were together, but now with Ralsei and Susie, Kris is the one that ends up with the scraps.
>>4086145>Remember how Noelle noted that he'd sometimes freeze as if he suddenly remembered something and then change behavior immediately?...doesn't Noelle do the exact same thing?
>>4086147bit of a, bit of bsomeone figured out that kris was supposed to be the second hero and dess found outshe then proceded with the doelesting because she's depraved the trauma made kris try to present as gender neutral to avoid further harm
>>4086150>he only does this if you're missing eggsDoesn't matter, Kris tilts his head and sees multiple egg rooms just like looking at parallel mirrors, it implies its endless.
>>4086153>Acting like the doelesting is canonThis feels like the end times
>>4086147dude just likes referring to his humans with neutral pronouns
>>4086152yes, but afaik noelle's trigger was cold air
>>4086147I think whatever kris was just got nuked from the canon when they stole the vessels spot as our literal self insert fuel. The whole point is whatever kris was doesn't matter anymore. Literally the only chance of finding out is through Noelle because she's the only one that clocked them being controlled
>Kris and Noelle argued which one of them should be queenKris is a girl.
>>4086152I just remembered that from her blog post because it was weird and never explained. It reminded me of how Kris freezes up while you watch cutscenes but that post was from way way before.
>>4086157People are just picking up what Toby is putting down. So go take it up with him for including lines as unhinged as "you can't even say stop like you used to".
>>4086163Noelle is a boy
>>4086147Toby just wanted a gender ambiguous protagonist again because the true gender of his precious humie is something only HE gets to know with absolute certainty due to severe autism over not letting anyone else know anything about any humans.
>>4086147>Kris doesn't want to be a man because he wants love to find the way to him, to be the second hero>He forgets he's a man, or probably even cut off his dick with his knife (toriel screaming "Is... is that a KNIIIFEEE" is actually a reference to the incident halfway joking about the cutting the dick part, but obviously Kris did something with a knife that left Toriel traumatized, and she knows the truth of That Fateful Day)>Berdly respects Kris identity issues because he's a politically correct simp and even accepts his advances if he does so>But one thing will be clarified, whether you’re ready or not>sometimes you don’t have all the information, or I had a different expectation about how certain info would be interpreted or combined.>These all refer to people misinterpreting Kris gender as nonbinary
>>4086157toby did it to himself by doing everything possible to avoid giving dess a concrete personality and character noelle being the rapist also didn't help matters
>>4086171anon don't say shit like that, you will revive the antlers=male deer retards
>>4086171Transfem or Transmasc Noelle.
>>4086174>but obviously Kris did something with a knife that left Toriel traumatizedHe killed Dess
Vesselbros, our daddy figure will give us a new body when Kris finally breaks...
>>4086171noel buck breaking kris...>>4086177both male and female reindeer have antlers, troonelle pushers are just outing themselves as city slicker retards who have never seen a wild animal bigger than a raccoon
>>4086181The father figure will be ERAM as they will turn into a big glowing sign saying "FREE VESSEL HERE"
>>4086181>say "aaaa" when he checks your mouthl-lewd.
>>4086127but that will instantly fill her RAPE meter instead! it's not worth the risk
>>4086177We could've had fanged Noelle too...
>>4086185No it's actually very worth it.
>>4086171Imagine if Noel was her real name.
>>4086180why did he do that :(
>>4086189Noel Holliday...
>>4086192Revenge for molesting him.
>>4086197Kris truly is such an ungrateful brat.
>>4086194>>4086171>Dess groomed Kris AND Noelle into becoming trans
>>4086181We are the controller tho. We are the ones who CONTROL Kris.And ERAM speaks to Kris all the time, never to us.
>>4086147>Toby just wanted social credit score for having a nonbinary protagThis.
>>4086189>We can't decide who's the king and the queen>Kris says she was born a girl and Noel a boy so Noel is the king and she's the queen, like Aqua, she only cares about biological sex>Noel says she's a girl because she decided who she actually is in this world, and Kris is the king because he dresses like a boy and acts like a boy.
>>4086200Wait, wouldn't that imply that Dess is also a....
>>4086201>And ERAM speaks to Kris all the time, never to usThats Lancer though, and we aren't the controller, we're the one pressing the buttons on the controller to move Kris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4BbxV3iJg8
>>4086206GIWTWM
>>4086206I would respect self inserters more if they had the guts to also add Rudy and not cuck him.
>>40861473 is the truth, remember he made andonuts gay in the halloween hack because he felt there wasn't enough representation back then
>>4086213but rudy is a good guy..
>>4086213Rudy is fucking dead, anon.
>>4086214Well he's not doing a very good job of representation if he hasn't openly confirmed Kris is nonbinary, resulting in countless iterations of misgendering and schizo theories like FemKris.He could have very easily, instantly and organically brought up Kris's nonbinaryness in Chapter 5 with the Seth Gender Crisis cafe scene, but if anything that scene doesn't even treat nonbinary as an option, ONLY boy or girl, which is very strange for flowers who soaked up their entire personalities and livelihoods from Asgore, a man who can't shut up about the life he once had before THAT HORRIBLE DAY, his nonbinary human child included, the same nonbinary human child who was such an inspiration to all the flowers that they wanted to be "humans" too.
>>4086213It's cuck or be cucked in this world
Now that the dust has settled, can we agree chapter 5 had guest writers? Toby himself would never write something like cafe gender reveal scene.
>>4086222Your death will have guest writers.
>>4086219chapter 5 did have noelle go that kris and her couldn't decide who the queen and king would be, and susie commenting "whatever we would be" when referring to them being the king and queen of the festival too>>4086222I think it is still written by toby, but you could say he was "tainted" by the people he surrounds himself with, the credits list is getting worrying with all those sort of people from that side of twitter, including that woman that ruined skullgirls
>>4086207Yeah. Is it just me, or Dess with a dick tends to get the most results in Ao3 for Kress and Desselle?
>>4086222Every Chapter past 1 was written by guest writers
That one brony did a good writing analysis on chapter 5 to back up the guest writer idea. Asgore's portrayal was completely fumbled in an amateur way that isn't typical for Toby.
>>4086217And? So is Dess.
>>4086229do you have a link or title for the video? I'd like to see what he says
>>4086219Kris is:>exclusively referred to as they/them>never called a boy or girl>takes either male or female roles and costumes interchangeablySounds non binary to me. Where's the doubt? I don't see the need to confirm anything because fans are being stupid and basing their theories on false hypothesis.
>>4086049>we will witness Kris go from Noelle's handler to being her bitchI'm here for it
>>4086231i presume he means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq5AyX6D424
>>4086065Susie is basically Kris but better. She's not exactly a genius but she has good instincts and a heart of gold. A regular Kuwabara. She should be the protagonist and take custody of the Soul.
>>40861346? Gaster confirmed.
>>40861473 except he just made it ambiguous.
Can I do the Mike shit on Chapter 4 after the Dark Sanctuary?
>>4086075We need to go to the shelter so we can kill everyone. It will be epic sans genocide and it's deep and interesting.
>>4086242yeahjust reload your save after watching the credits
>>4086242Yeah but you do it alone, not with Susie and Ralsei
>>4086078Nice headcanon but Ralsei would just "accidentally" do something to circumvent it.>ActGrave
>>4086230Not confirmed yet. For all we know Dess is living alone inside the shelter surviving on nothing but moss, and looks like pic related.Remember there's someone in the Light world doing the kidnappings and breaking shit.
I feel like some people are embarassed Genocide was a very popular route.
>>4086100Kris waifus Asriel, Dess, Noelle, and Susie in that order.
Kris waifu...
>>4086134The Man is Kris' father but he is also Kris from a later timeline and he went back in time to bang Carol who is Kris' actual mother, the Dreemurs adopted Kris because December continually abused him for being a bastard child. The way Rudy and Carol treat Kris matches up with him being Carol's kid and Rudy trying to be cool with that.
>>4086252Poor Ralsei...
>>4086146If there's one thing we know about Kris, it's that he enjoys the challenge and adventure as much as Susie. He wouldn't want to make it easy for himself.
>>4086251Yet another case of the many fandom overcorrections that they can't stop doing. Because Genocide is so irreversibly tied to fandom culture at large (Sans wank, AUs as a whole, music, "Chara mischaracterization", etc.) that they're now ashamed of, it means Genocide itself is a big problem, and not in the "NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS YOU'RE LITERALLY HITLER STOP IT STOP KILLING MY COMFORT CHARACTERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" way.
>>4086147It's so anyone can relate to Kris.
>>4086186Noelle looks better as an ugly nerd.
>>4086262Why would a straight girl self-insert as Kris when your only love interests are two girls?
>>4086266Who cares about what women think?
>>4086267Don't be rude to your mother, kiddo.
>>4086266Ahem.
>>4086268I seriously don't give a fuck what she thinks. I could probably even beat her in a fight if I wanted especially since she's too nice and would try to ACT her way through the encounter.
>>4086269I don't believe a single woman ever felt attraction to Berdly
>>4086279AHEM.
>>4086279hes my sister's favorite character...
>>4086280When did Kris get this darn feather anyway?
>>4086288sweepstakes pages imply they do play games together
>>4086288Could be a molted feather
>>4086287That still doesn't mean she would like to fuck him.
>>4086171Tranny Noelle returns.
>>4086266ralsei
>>4086180Jaru...
>>4086292you win this time!!!! I'm too lazy to ask if she wants to fuck a bird
>>4086288Last night. Remember the intro of Chapter 5? Kris stayed up all night doing something outside their house. Somehow Kris managed to get Berdly's feather, then went to the flower shop, talked to Seth, and probably looked around for the code to get rid of it, but didn't find it.
>>4086256>The Man is Kris' father but he is also Kris from a later timeline and he went back in time to bang Carol who is Kris' actual motherIf deltarune was homestuck but good it would be so amazing...
>divided flower castle into two halves>tried to make the whole church dark world into a maze early onOut of all criticisms people had for UT and 1+2, the maps being linear corridors was the one Toby took to heart? Despite the fact it's a completely reasonable choice given how his games are?
>>4086222No, you're just buckbroken.
>>4086299>went to the flower shop, talked to SethHow does Kris making deals work? Neither 'Seth' nor 'Flowery' existed before the fountain, they were just flowers. We see they've chosen a human form and identity as the dark world was formed, and it's hard to believe Kris opened a fountain just for that then close it when Flowery wouldn't have been too keen on the idea. It's like Kris has a small time window as the dark world forms to approach the darkners and make the deals, like with Tenna
>>4086251The peak that was the 2016 fandom broke newfags mind so they can't like genocide because people loved genocide back then.
>>4086301I kind of get it. Imagine you're 10 hours into making your 50 hour game and people are saying corridors are getting stale
>>4086304they have some form of memory of events in the light world prior to the opening of the fountainthis is well-established
>>4086266Very few ship them with Tenna and Spamton but it pales to the Frisk self-insertation with the skeleton brothers.
>>4086295What, this penis muncher? I don't know if you know this but girls aren't attracted to uke boys, they use them as self-inserts to fantasize about getting fucked by the seme they're actually attracted to. Ralsei is obviously gay.Lesbos don't count of course.
>>4085452There is no way Kris isn't getting off on that
>>4086297Right there in his room and left the blood stain there too.
>>4086308The memories are retroactive. They remember interacting with lightners when they were objects, but their darkner identities are formed on the spot. There was no Tenna, he was just Kris' TV, Queen was just laptop, and the flowers were just flowers
>>4086242Welp, I did it anyway.As someone out of the loop, I found the Mike shit after the battle insufferable. Probably the first time I actively started skipping text so far. Did the Mike speculation shit really bother Toby that much?
>>4086317NTA but how do Dark worlds keep a consistent timeline for freshly made darkners? Tenna and Spamton seem to know each other and have shared history even if they presumably never interacted as darkners before this. Is just a re-interpretation of what happened in the Light world during the roleplay?
>>4086324Oh nononononoLurk moar anon, pointing out this shit here is gonna get you flayed alive but I'd love to discuss
>>4086238I dont like her, whe turned pacifist and gayDon't force me to like this character
>>4086327it's implied objects simply absorb what's happening around them, even if there is no dark world
I don't want some dyke to be the protagonist in my rpgs
>>4086324toby claims that he doesn't keep up with fan theoriesdespite this he's added numerous references in each chapter to fan memes and as you mentioned with the mike stuff, apparently has a seething hatred for people theorizing about certain things i genuinely wonder what he's going to do to try and dissuade the doelester memes, there's no way he hasn't seen them by now
>>4086327The dark worlds are the abstractions of the lightner that made them, so whenever they make a fountain somewhere else, their memory of the other dark worlds is also taken into account. This is why Ramb remembers the laptop as Queen, because for Kris, that laptop is now Queen, and Spamton and Tenna had history. Although, I am kind of doubtful now because Spamton talks about his stuff with Tenna before Tenna technically existed, but he never name drops Tenna.
>>4086324He should really stop making that type of meta joke because they never land
>>4086333>i genuinely wonder what he's going to do to try and dissuade the doelester memes, there's no way he hasn't seen them by nowEither nothing or he'll double down massively on Dessriel, pretty much explicitly saying Dess wanted to marry Asriel and have his babies and she ever had eyes for Asriel and ONLY Asriel as an attempt to dissuade any other ship involving Dess.
>>4086336But the Mikes are fan favorites
>>4086333The Mike stuff really doesn't look like him being upset about the subject of theories so much as the way theories were being constructed and treated within the fandom. So I don't think he'll feel a need to try and call out/stop any memes that don't completely derail the fandom like Mike did.
>>4086339caliborn
>>4086346Caliborn was Hussie's whole ass jungian shadow grabbing the wheel and trying to crash the story with no survivors. If the Mikes are equivalent to that amount of struggle in Toby then Deltarune will finish fucking beautifully.
>>4086304The Knight makes the deals and is Kris' actual soul, that's why it wields Dess' bat that turns into his knife and has monster horns. It projects who Kris wishes they could be.
>>4086329Like Susie. Or else I'll minecraft you.
>>4086352>Minecrap*
>>4086333>toby claims that he doesn't keep up with fan theorieshe did say he gave the mike job to "Andy", and he never said his workers don't keep up with the fandom>i genuinely wonder what he's going to do to try and dissuade the doelester memespluey doing a buenos dias on pink
You didn't have fun. You had fake fun manufactured by darkness.
>>4086342>the way theories were being constructed and treated within the fandomHe is not in a place to say a single thing on theories.
>>4086213well now it sounds you're a rudy self-inserter...
>>4086324>I heard someone misuse the Battat motif!>I bet there will be someone new with a memorable theme!Why does secret boss speculation in particular seems to bother Tobysoft so much?
>>4086358>fake funas opposed to REAL fun?
>>4086324The way the last newsletter sounded so defensive, going out of it's way to talk about pacing and how he really likes you making fan theories very much, what the fuck is going on?
>>4086226there's a particularly strange connection between making dess a molester and her having a dick in fanfiction communitiesthere's a rather obvious connection to be drawn there, but surely the progressive writing community would never
>>4086324Damn, even after release we got Mike causing people butthurt.
>>4086368How will people playing Deltarune at once feel about this shit? What do you think?
>>4086337Also that Kris hated that Dess took Asriel from them and not the contrary.
>>4086370people who are wholly disconnected from the fan memes in 2034 when the game is fully released will probably just be confused like who are these guys and why do they care so much about tenna's lights guy?very few of them will probably remember spamton's connection
>>4086361I lay down a lot.
Assuming what we know of Mike is everything and there is no future plans of him, you know what could have been an easy fix?Take the Zapper who takes you to Nowhere and replace him with realistic Mike. Also put the Mike Room within the S rank room and have that storyline play out there, the chapter was bland with the lack of darkner storylines.
>>4086373There's so many nods to shit that won't age well, starting with sans saying it feels like it's been years in ch2
>>4086376susie says it too very early on in the chapter as well, right after you exit the classroom
flowery told ralsei "don't you LIKE serving humans?" because he knows he'd be fucking hypocritical if he said lightners instead of humans, with how unhelpful he had been towards asgore
>>4086378flowery deserved it imothis wouldn't have happened if he didn't keep cockblocking asgore from the fountain
I love all the fingerpointing about the flowers when literally the entire thing is Kris' fault and it doesn't even happen if Kris skips the festival
>>4086382nothing impeding the knight to just go there later and snap Asgore away>inb4 the twist is that Kris opened the 3 and 5 fountains to prepare AGAINST the knight somehow
>>4086382You know, 7B speculation mostly buried speculation over what the fuck will happen to Ralsei and Susie being left behind there. Will Ralsei finally spill the beans to Susie and try to unfuck the situation?
>>4086384I assume so since we need an epic boss fight against them later.
>>4085770I remember hearing about people who were terrified to fight the Giga Queen or even the Titan because they didn't want to damage their perfect pacifist save. Hell I had no idea until recently that you can fight Tenna without an issue despite the fact doing the same to Queen breaks Berdly's armWhat Toby should've done is>You have to fight the King to progress>And whether you spared everyone or not, the ending is the same, there's no variation for pacifism
>>4086384What he waiting for though? Susie already asked him if she should do anything he and just shook his head
>>4086016It doesn't matter if the stats are technically fake, as far as we're considered they're real, as we have no ability to ignore the fake stats. Susie and Ralsei would refuse to fight and Kris would just hold back as usual, making us deal no damage
>>4086362if you do the optional content you'll figure out the plot too quickly when all the twists are supposed to be at the end of the game and we can't have that anon
>>4086384if Ralsei didn't do anything in chapter 5 when (you) and Noelle went across the lake there's no reason for him to do anything other than die later
>>4086385Why do you assume Deltarune won't have its own Mettaton NEO moment?>>4086400that sure would be an interesting plot decision that would piss off half of the fanbase
What if Kris wants to transmute Noelle into becoming Dess?
Here's my little drawing of Belle the Blue Flower
>>4086407Because Noelle is boring on her own.
>>4086407if kris and Carol's plan involves killing anyone and substituting their life for dess it's a bad and evil plan
>>4086409
>>4086409>>4086413Nice work.
So I just finished the Mike fight myself since people were talking about it and the only problem I have is that it doesn't take place earlier, like ch3 postgame or earlier in ch4. I wasn't part of any Mike theoryposting though so I don't have as much attachment to it, the only regrettable part is that ch5 is pretty much an entire chapter of being a response to fan feedback like this was.
>>4086407You mean like the ending of The Witch's House? Unless Kris and Dess turns out to be psychopaths there's no way Noelle seems to have nothing but good memories of her big sis
A big disappointment with Deltarune's battle system is the fact that magic doesn't do anything.It should be such a cool opportunity for us to finally cast spells, but it just doesn't work in a game where you have to spare everyone. I mean we've got>PacifyWorse than sparing>Heal PrayerIt's ok on standard encounters, tops up your health if you don't want to waste an item>Rude BusterYou're not allowed to hurt people>IceShockYou're not allowed to hurt people>BetterHealWorthless>ScytheMare/Sleep Misthas some niche uses>Revive SongBecause we needed to give Ralsei something at the same time as Susie. I find it hard to imagine anyone has ever used thisMagic should be something awesome but it just doesn't do anything!If it was gonna be like this, he should've at least added some unique spells that could actually be useful, like party-wide healing, status effects, or buffs/debuffs.I've played Deltarune Yellow and it has a similar problem with a bunch of useless combat-oriented spells. You just can't make a compelling RPG without letting your characters fight people
>>4086415You technically can do it at the start of Chapter 4 if you happened to know the code before the game just outright tells you reloading the save
>>4086415>ch5 is pretty much an entire chapter of being a response to fan feedback like this wasHow exactly?And I don't think it gets anywhere close as 3 was, 3 simply made it's statement in the small print.
>>4086411Carol's getting duped by the plan's real deal. Kris' true love is Dess. They never loved Noelle as much and Kris' guilt is knowing they'll exchange Noelle's very life to get back dear Dess. The end of Side B is to Use Her Up, get Dess back, and they leave into the sunset.
>>4086421>Kris' true love is Dess. They never loved Noelle as much and Kris' guilt is knowing they'll exchange Noelle's very life to get back dearKress porn has rotted your brain.
>>4086421Aren't you forgetting someone? Asriel is mere days away from coming home. Kris just wants to give Dess back to their depressed big bro.
>>4086418>like party-wide healing, status effects, or buffs/debuffs.Dualheal is the party wide healing spell but as you know that's limited. Stuff like buffs/debuffs are usually handed off to ACTsLike against King you can raise your defense, Jevil you can lower his defense/attack, You can raise Noelle's magic and lower Berdly's defense in Weird, Jackenstein has an ACT where you can increase damage taken at the cost of the SOUL moving faster, etc etc.Of course some of those are practically useless like Berdly and Jack so uh...
>>4086419I only found out about it after the fact so I'm late to the party regardless.>>4086420Almost everything in ch5 seems like it was made to reference things or mess with the player in ways that only make sense if you're familiar with both games, some of it feels like bait for people who wanted something cool out of certain keywords or concepts and got jokes instead, not always funny ones. Ch5 is really at its best when it isn't doing those things.
>>4086147I just want Kris' gender to be confirmed one way or another to prove that Kris is not a self-insert, I feel like that's the whole point of the game
>>4086418I sort of agree. I feel like ACTs varying for the purposes of pacifism is plenty in the name of "variety", so I don't necessarily think the game needs a lot of spells with a lot of effects. But there should be a few with actually useful mechanical purposes. I feel like being able to spend a little TP to speed up the soul, slow down bullets, or one-size-fits-all raise an enemy's SPARE meter by a fixed amount would all fit well enough but don't really have the kind of mechanical crunch I'd want. Maybe the real fix would be if there were just a few fights per chapter with something safe to deal damage to, like Queen's barrier, or a very bouncy and well-natured boy.
>>4086427Kris is a self insert, and the game calls him the main character
>>4086427Yeah well what you want doesn't matter
>>4086427Won't EVER happen, Toby is too greedy about information about his humies and doesn't want anyone else to know about them to the same extent he does. MAYBE you'll get a nugget of Kris Lore for Deltarune Chapter 7's 10th anniversary, but that's it.
>>4086402Then I assume because we will have to meet with them again.
The Guitar Hero minigame in ch6 needs to have Pink doing the vocals in at least 1 of the songs. Maybe just vocaloid remixes of all 3 songs available to play.>Flower Man but with the lyrics sung this time>in English, by Migu
>>4086409>>4086413Oh, you're the one who made that design. I still don’t like it but I appreciate the drawing effort.
>>4086436We fucking hate Miku though???
>>4086436You'll get 5nd Sanctuary, nothing else, and you'll fucking LIKE it.
>>4086436We fucking love Miku though!!!
>>4086402>its own Mettaton NEO moment?>ch7 postgame>go to an unassuming room in a usual Castle Town building >THE ROARING KNIGHT appears and even has Titan angel wings>proper reaction to it, the battle theme kicks in>attack it once to get rid of the wings defense shell>costume falls off, it's Mike (real), he does the sock guy scream and skedaddles
>>4086333>i genuinely wonder what he's going to do to try and dissuade the doelester memes, there's no way he hasn't seen them by nowI'm sure he saw them and he did actually try to dissuade de/ss/ memes throughout early part of chapter 5 with Asriel's"Dearest December" letter, King and Queen festivals, and Pizzapants talking about them two "practicing"The issue is that 1. We already KNOW Asriel and Dess have a thing for each other since chapter 2 when you take account Kris and Noelle2. Asriel and Dess are pretty much non-characters in the game, have no dialogue or screentime.So of course, nobody gave a fuck about any of the hints. Like wow, Toby is asking us to care about relationships of characters who have zero dialoguesAt least Kress sounds more interesting since it would explain why is Kris like this, and people have already made their own version of Dess since Toby refuses to give out any concrete info about herI know for sure in chapter 6, there will be a more explicit line about Dess only loving Asriel by Carol
Funny that Gerson calls the prophecy a fairytale, dissing his own son who's a pastor. Makes sense they didn't have a fantastic relationship
>>4086440You're right... I will like it...
>>4086450Gerson had a healthier and fuller understanding of the prophecy than Alvin, though.
>>4086436We are indifferent to Miku though
>>4086448We also know for a fact from the extremely minimal information available to us that Dess is a genuinely nice girl, her single canonical line of dialogue is supporting her sister during a game of making snow angels and any instances of her being a hardass are either fucking around with her literal boyfriend or protecting her little sister.Kris and the omniscient narrator for flavor text are also unreliable sources, we can't take anything they say at face value because they're usually lying to us, Kris is too busy expressing his emotions in an autistic wax poetic way, or the narrator is just generally fucking with us.
>>4086450Gerson is a logical man and writes stories so he knows good fiction when a retard preaches it to him
>>4086450I mean is that suprising? The letter he told Susie to write says Gerson didn't come to the church when his son was there
>>4086450Gerson, being the authorial stand-in for Toby, got hit by a divine premonition the same way Toby got hit by a fever dream, and then proceeded to obsess over that premonition for his entire life to the detriment of others.
>>4086455Bullshit. All he does is break it without even a second to try and understand it.Fucker skipped out on church for the exact purpose of making his pastor son quit too
my dad never tried to make me quit when skipped out on...you know
>>4086455Does he? All he knows is about his own fanfic of the prophecy
>>4086464Based as fuck. Greatest generation.
>>4086469We can't be for sure, because we don't know how much of the prophecy the Light World knows and likely never will, because it's not that important a detail to the greater narrative and will be another one of those "IMAGINE" pieces Toby leaves dangling to encourage fanworks.
>>4086457kris is totally overexaggerating with the 'owie just looking at it makes my head hurt' when looking at that wiffle bat, he wouldn't have kept at the gremlin activities if it was an actually effective deterrent
>>4086463Gerson's unshakeable optimism is meant to be proven mistaken when the tragedy at the end happens anyway. Toby is Gaster tampering with space and time (coding in a romhack of the story) to get shit done his own way
>>4086470Someone should come and vandalize your Bible, we can see if you still think it's based
>>4086472Bastard did it with the ending of Chapter 4 too, you try to go make him get some food from the fridge so he doesn't starve 'cause you feel bad for him and he just laser focuses on the ketchup Sans brought to make you think "wow that bony asshole, he barged into this house and ate all the food!" simply by omitting that there's definitely plenty to eat (as proven the morning of Chapter 5 where he can no longer laser-focus on the ketchup since it's no longer present, so he pretends like there's "suddenly" food), he's simply a glutton for punishment instead of nourishment because he fucking hates himself.
>>4086464Alvin's sermons are worse. That doesn't come from someone who "gets it" more.
>>4086477He focuses on the ketchup because half the plot is in the fridge and he doesn't want you to see it.
>>4086474Reminder that Toby's literal self-insert is in cahoots with Gaster as seen in the contrived railroading of Chapter 2 to get players into the library instead of exploring Hometown, and even the actions of that self-insert, an avatar of GOD, were not able to fully subvert the prophecy. In stopping Queen's Car with a traffic jam, her "unstoppable chariot" became GIGA Queen, and in turn GIGA Queen was a boss you could not fully defeat.Between that and the fact reality literally spergs out and hastily rewrites and warps itself to course correct if you try to drown Kris and Noelle in WR5, this shit is fully inevitable, nothing you do will stop it from coming to pass and sticking.
>>4086476If you vandalize a science textbook you're only hurting yourself :)
>>4086480>finally get to look inside as the vessel>dess is just hanging out in the fridge>"Please don't tell anyone how I live."
>>4086484This is unironically how the game will end, there won't even be a final boss fight. After the credits, Berdly will say that his favorite game is Undertale Yellow and Alphys will get excited and talk to him about it because she likes it too.
>>4086487>Toby>giving any sort of positive outlook towards Undertale Yellow after the Materia fiasco likely soured his perception of it
>>4086426>Almost everything in ch5 seems like it was made to reference things or mess with the player in ways that only make sense if you're familiar with both gamesI want a good list of those. I feel the same about 3 and I think it is far worse.
>>4086489>positive>Berdly and Alphys, the dynamic duo of shit taste
>>4086491I don't disagree, I kind of felt like 5 was a more cynical and worse written 3.
>>4086492Berdly is the most based character in Deltarune though. He'd literally solve every problem with the dogshit idiot box narrative by being proactive, seeking out mysteries and asking questions, which is why the game makes him irrelevant after Chapter 2 and ensures Susie never likes him, because the worlds bow down to Susie.
>>4086494Shit, this is actually kind of crazy. Guys, we have an actual celebrity in the thread. Give it up for /somebody'sguy/ Berdly!
>>4086494What a shit game selling an idiot plot as a so-called jrpg masterpiece
What is Carol's tax policy?
The game never should have bent to Susie. She should have faced actual consequences for her actions in chapter 4.
>>4086448Rape isn't natural. It's super rare in nature. Males only mate when females allow them and signal their readiness to reproduce, which is why Dess HAS TO groom Kris. It's very easy to demonize the groomer but you never look at it from their perspective.
>>4086502Nah
>>4086493Again, I feel the other way around. I just wanna see your examples.
>>4086487Then Yellow walls in and says how that story is inaccurate and they changed a lot, then Blue kisses him in the mouth
>>4086509Belle the Blue Flower exists to spite faggots like you.
>In Chapter 4 WR, Kris will eat an entire apple's core in the tea party scene with GersonAnd Kris got the Chara labeled suicide seeds in 5... But in the Normal Route? What's up with this?
>>4086506Don't put a character that looks like Kris as your player character if you're going to have him play second fiddle to some dyke
now that the dust has settled, are we all in agreement that deltarune is a bad game mechanically? it's just button mashing the correct act and then sparing with zero thought
>>4086518MINDBROKEN by teenage lesbians.
>>4086521Only if you don't do the attacking. I do the attacking, so the game improves somewhat
>>4086522Not as mind broken as Toby. That shits shits gross get it out.
>>4086521it's either that or mashing the attack button
>>4086518Too late ;)
>>4086521Chapter 5 was an awful follow up to 4 and DR is still the best game of 2026
>>4086517Dark world apples aren't real
>>4085968Now Kris might fuck her if she's an actual furry cat girl
>>4086522OK Epstein
>>4086528Would rather play dq7 again.Kiefer is a better version of susie
>>4086522I can mindbreak them in wr, i just want nr to have less of that shit, last fun adventure my ass
>>4086521It's way more fun than anything that came out in the recent years.
>>4086386you can fight Aqua without ruining your pacifist save file btw, she doesnt stop hanging out with you if you beat her up in the 1v1 battle, doing the same in the seth & aqua fight makes seth stop hanging out with you however
>>4086421actually, the mantle game shows that you possess dess/knight candidate then kris kills dess/knight candidate (however, i have discovered that it's possible to damage mini-kris before you get hurt if you approach them diagonally, there might be a potential hidden alt. route variant where you kill kris and finish the game while playing as dess/knight candidate)
>>4086479Understanding a topic and being a good writer to convey your thoughts to others aren't necessarily the same thing.
>>4086526Calling it, someone will make a full kriselle nod when the games done out of spite.
>>4086517I'm telling you that guy is a zombie that's tired of living.
>>4086546>nodA respectful nod or...?
>>4086552A lewd one.
>>4086552A mod. Someone already made a chapter 0.
>>4086555>Someone already made a chapter 0.How long is it? Is the gameplay any good? Where can I find it?
>>4086553But how do you turn a normal nod into a lewd one?
>>4086558Trade secrets.
>>4086537I don't know what that is because I only play good games like Deltarune.
>>4086546People already are iirc or at least adding more kriselle scenes
>>4086563No, Deltarune would be a good game if Kris wasn't here and I could KILL SUSIE and FLOWERY and THE ROARING FRAUD and make a beeline to the SJELTER.
>>4086557Maybe like half an hour, it's more of a preview of a mod to come and only has a light world segment. It's still pretty good though, just not a complete game yetIt's at the /doe/ thread on /trash/
>>4086570>It's at the /doe/ thread on /trash/Huh. I was so convinced they were unable to do anything but coom about Dess.
>>4086324Post chapter 5 I'm banking that the in-universe reason for this reaction is that it reminds Kris of Asgore's schizo-board.Out-of-universe it's a jab at theorycrafters.
>>4086333>toby claims that he doesn't keep up with fan theoriesToby can claim whatever the fuck he wants but everyone knows that's a really shitty lie
>>4086573I still think the TwinRibbon nerf is fucked up man
>>4086569It's a good game, maybe even great. The best...? It might be possible.
>>4086333His games and posts and literally everything he does shows an acute awareness of the fandom. He's full of shit.
>>4086324>>4086574Can't you look through the flower shop's window in Ch4 and see his schizo board? I always thought this was a reference to that
>>4086147I think Kris takes neither identity so there's no chance of the prophecy interpreting him as the second or third heroes, a female and a male
>>4086584That's the watsonian reading for it, yeah.
>>4086333How did you leap from him saying he doesn't care much about theories to him not ever once ever seeing anything any fan ever made?
>a fuckload of games in development just got their achievements leaked thanks to steamoh no
>>4086362Toby was probably only comfortable making that joke because it's the last chapter with a crystal boss
>>4086333the normies are seething about doelester so you just know that toby is going to decanonize dess and unrape kris just like he did with noelle
>>4086585The prophecy is so fucking stupid and arbitrary if that's all it takes to subvert it.
>>4086595That's less subverting it and more ensuring he's labeled The Cage
>>4086597but why? does something bad happens to the cage? or is there something only the cage can do?
>>4086592good thing i don't care about 99% of vidya releasing right now all i care about is deltarune, the katana zero dlc, and cpII: darkness distortion
Humor me for a second, what are the odds Ralsei's object is something connected to Toriel? That's why he instinctively hates Flowery, because he's part of Asgore's wedding bouquet
>>4086592what does that have to do with deltarune? toby hates achievements and the PSN ones only exist because its required
>>4086605maybe? there some implication that ralsei is tied to susie somehow if he isn't the rootshe could be something toriel gave to susie
>You want freedom? But [Player], you're already free. >You were free from the moment you purchased the game.>The only thing you need to make you free...>Is to stop playing.>It'll solve all of your problems, and...>It'll make sure we never have to see you again.Weird Route ending with this?
>>4086609would call toby a hack because he already pulled that shit twice before
>>4086609No.
>>4086609>"Give me back my 25 bucks then."
>>4086609>have we considered toby's fever dream was just him getting edged
>>4086609Given Spamton's speech there won't be a happy ending and the player might get addressed, but I don't think it's gonna be something like Sans telling you to never come back if you kill every important character in a neutral run in Undertale.
>>4086609Sounds like some stupid thing he would say, that gamers are somehow entitled to want freedom in a game
>>4086521There are many ways a game can be bad. Sticker Star is rotten, but in a completely different way a Bethesda game is.I'd describe Deltarune's mechanics as>vast like a lake (not ocean)>shallow like a puddleThere is quite a lot of things and none of them get meaningfully developed. A whole tea cup minigame that has a single actually challenging iteration, a full zelda clone that never got used again, an elemental system that the game almost never tells you it exists, and so on.And you can't argue "DR is a microgame collection" because that isn't true. Microgames are supposed to be snappy, come and go fast, and have a huge variety of them. DR spends a lot of time on a single style and then leaves it behind. And the underdeveloped turn based combat is still the center of the game, it's the only thing in the beginning, there is only a single proper boss battle NOT on the style (Eram).It's ok as a kill time but it's an empty calorie. Undertale was simple but it tried harder to explore what it had.
>>4086597Yes thank you for agreeing with me
>>4086614It sure would explain why Noelle is like that.
>>4086580To give Toby the benefit of the doubt, this shit might (just MIGHT) be coming from the faggots around him.
>>4086605>Ralsei is the fucking chalk
>>4086620undertale at least had the puzzle aspect for a lot of the acts deltarune does not, you either pick the 'right' one that ends the fight faster or you pick the 'wrong' one that makes the fight take longer
>>4086625>ralsei is always with susie because he's stuck in her digestive trackkill all vorefags
Chapter 6 will be about the discourse and complaints about Pink and the narrative will treat it as if you beat her even if you didn't
>>4086627He's stuck in her teeth because she never brushes because she lives in a school closet
>>4086628still doing more with the character than her own chapter bothered to
>>4086628>"oh you didn't like pink? ok">kris gets raped to death by FRIENDs
>>4086628Pink will have a forced battle in ch6 if you didnt fight her in ch5, and Toby will use this oppurtuinty to laugh at people who expected the same of Jevil instead
>>4086628>the narrative will treat it as if you beat her even if you didn'tI never thought about this before but this is unironically going to happen.
>>4086626UT acting was usually like a tiny visual novel with the dialogue trees.DR acting is usually a microgame starting from chapter 3.
chapter 7 will be about pink rushing into the shelter to feed on asgore's protein
>>4086635NOBODY self inserts as Asgore
>>4086636the fangames thread is down the hallway and left
>>4086609"you don't like it? then don't play it!" but shoehorned after 500 gameplay hours so you get fucked over anyways due to no refunds
>>4086637I want to wear his funny flowery shirt does that count
>>4086637that's exactly why he will get pussy cat
>>4086639Ehhh Susie already says something like this in Chapter 3
>>4086642It's not like Toby is afraid of repeating already stated points.
>>4086642The only time saying that actually works btw, because its refering to the fucked up evil route. If you dont like commiting evil, dont play the dedicated kill your friends route. Simple, yet some people need this bashed into their heads even still
>>4086642so 50 hours in anyways, still a lot of time past the refunds
>>4086645but what if I said that I didn't like it because I kept getting my ass kicked by Eram, and not because I feel bad about being evil or anything like that
>>4086645what if i like doing in-game evil but i think the ending sucks regardless?]
>>4086647Same thing, if you arent having fun doing the optional difficult bosses, dont fight the OPTIONAL, DIFFICULT bosses>>4086648Well that's not the problem they're addressing, its whether or not you're having fun with the journey not the destination
>>4086645It's refering to me trying to have a chance in the knight battle with bullshit damage by getting that fucking mantle
>>4086649hmmmno I think I'd rather keep complaining
>>4086650see >>4086649
>>4086649It's not my fault ntr content was added into the game, and i shouldn't need to stop playing to not be forced to watch it.
>>4086620Sticker star got into deep shit for subverting rpgs, and deltarune got rewarded for it. When's Robert's turn.
>>4086507Ch5 is death of a thousand cuts for me, I can't remember every single problem I had with it and I'm not going to think about it much until I replay it but I'll see what I've got: the beginning being the ch1 area again just felt lazy and uninspired in the moment I played it even if there were 'deeper' narrative reasons it happened and it felt especially pointless with how accessible a cleared ch1 still is, Flowery is sort of a Flowey reference but he's almost nothing like him so the reference is kind of hollow, there are of course several meta jokes like how Ralsei looks better with the hat and I don't think stuff like that would be in without fan feedback living rent free in Toby's mind, there's the word Omega being used which just seemed kind of forced because there's no DR precedent for it (that I know of), Aqua references the world revolving twice and it just felt like a lazy reference, and I agree with others saying Ralsei should have felt pushed to use fire magic against the Titan rather than it feeling as random in ch5 as Mazinkaiser SKL suddenly using its classic super moves in the final battle when they would have been useful earlier, you don't even need to have Ralsei keep it because he can just say he won't use fire against the plants since he doesn't want to hurt them which is perfect for the chapter that won't let you hurt anyone. Anyway I'm skipping over some stuff but my mind is automatically blanking most of ch5, I mostly only liked the gameplay and music, although there were plenty of jokes that did land even if many others did not. Wouldn't mind seeing your thoughts on ch3, I liked it but I'm also a fan of variety games like Spyro YotD, though I don't care for it referencing Spamton as much because I see that from a 'referencing popular thing' perspective rather than whatever it might have had to do with the narrative. I mean I like the character, but everything about his situation and mannerisms is too unique to revisit much.
>>4086645How was I supposed to know that killing my family and friends would make me the villain?
>>4086663Susie's no friend of mine.
hey guys, new dess theory: "what if she hits the shit out of kris with a bat to then bombard them with love and attention so that she is TOTALLY not unintentionally abusive in order to own the groomer dess chuds- i mean in order to show her good side!?"
>>4086659Sticker Star never fucking happened.
>>4086665>More wiffle bat autism
>>4086662俺達が地獄だ!
>>4086659Sticker Star got into deep shit for not subverting RPGs at all and Tabata not realizing until Origami King that you need a default Attack option to avoid softlocking yourself once you're out of stickers
>>4086665isn't being abusive and then nice to someone also grooming behaviour or is that just bpd
>>4086665People unironically make fan art to disprove theories of a character we won't know officially for years for a game that punishes its fanbase for caring and in a community that doesn't care about any theories that don't involve male Kris having sex with monster women
>>4086670that's the joke that the artist didnt realize they were making
>>4086662>Flowery is sort of a Flowey reference but he's almost nothing like him so the reference is kind of hollowThe "reference" begins and ends with the pre-Undertale form of the character, Gold, being renamed to Flowery because Toby thought it was funny how many people misread Flowey that way.Asgore having a prized wedding bouquet of differently colored flowers that become special Darkners does thus seem to have been part of the original concept and not a reference to the human souls of Undertale.
>I am Mike.
>>4086672right i was also going to make a comment about dess giving kris her cake but i figured that was too easy
>>4086645>>4086663berdly is no friend, susie lost all potential friend privileges when she decided to bully kris out of envy for their relationship with noelle and started going after kris's doe pussy, ralsei had a choice between tagging along with me or tagging along with susie and he chose the losing side, they're all worthless, all i need is myself.
>>4086676Susie has never bullied Kris and if she did, we now know he enjoyed it.
>>4086670>>4086672yup, it's a joke that writes itself, not to mention the "dess gives kris a huge chocolate cake" allegory, now i wonder if it's actually a dess groomer believer making a joke that flies over people's heads
>>4086659Sticker Star got into deep shit for being poorly designed, which is mostly a matter of it not accomplishing what it intended to.You don't care about any of the events that occur, not because "you don't get to do anything" but because they are non-events that exist for the sole purpose of the player solving them. You don't get engaged with the gameplay because it is the two simplest action commands repeated ad nauseam. You don't get engaged with the world and characters because the entire thing is paper (heh) thin, practically a fucking advertisement for the abstract idea of a Mario game more than being its own thing.None of these flaws are because it "subverted RPGs", because in fact the better paper Mario games were also super fucking subversive. Such exceptionally low stats and relatively deterministic enemy behavior is HUGELY antithetical to the usual design of an RPG.
>>4086678sweepstakes, locker slam, susie admitting that she was jealous.>>4086678"he enjoyed it" is just toby trying to sugarcoat the situation so that susie doesn't seem genuinely shitty towards the playerbase.it is not a good thing to slam people against lockers and bully them 24/7 out of envy for what they have with their neighbour only to start taking noelle for herself the moment she starts to get some leeway, regardless of how masochistic the victim is, you can tell that susie had no idea that kris actually enjoyed it, meaning that she was effectively intentionally hurting them in her eyes.however, since toby is a ntrfag, he thinks susie is actually good and on the right and that she should be rewarded with free noelle sex and any attempts at defiance or setting boundaries is considered evil and chuddy
>>4086595Yeah anon it is in fact the point that the prophecy is vague and intentionally trying to defy it just falls you in line with it. Otherwise the repeated implication Susie is not supposed to be The Girl makes no sense.
>>4086682both UT and DR have this thing where dynamics in general just get much darker once you look past the jokes for more than two seconds
NTR with loli Kris.
>>4086679At least from a quick cursory look at their twitter, it sure doesn't see that way.
>>4086680It's a turn based game without exp, just like deltarune.
>>4086685the forbidden path began with /ll/
>>4086682>you can tell that susie had no idea that kris actually enjoyed itif we're going off of the sweepstakes she definitely knows he finds some thrill behind it as he was holding back a laugh one time and that pissed susie off more
>>4086687Even in the games with exp you can't directly gain attack or defense by leveling up, which is again, a really subversive use of the system. Attack and defense upgrades become available at specific places in your progression through the plot, and thus the world.
>>4086685>Asriel pov
>>4086693He's so fucking lucky it's unreal.
>>4086682>susie admitting that she was jealous.You have no idea what bullying is
>>4086683>the writing is bad on purposeEVERYSINGLETIME
The prophecy is vague so that you will always follow it no matter what you do. That's why it's so vague with it's descriptions of the heroes, so that everyone else can be one too and not break the prophecy.
>>4086697I hate this shit trend so fucking much. We literally saw Dess' silhouette and her antlers don't look even remotely pointy.
Then Susie should share her hero spot with kris and ralsei instead of stealing it.
>>4086698>everything about Deltarune is vague and the writing is bad on purposePreaching to the choir.
>>4086704vague is bad, extremely zoomer opinion
>>4086700More confirmation that the knight isnt december
>>4086683reminder that there has never, ever, been a case where intentionally bad writing ended up being good in the end it's always a cope of some kind
Pizzapants Is the Prince of Icee-pizza and is forever alone (in deepest dark)
>>4086701Susie should be the only hero, Kris and Ralsei should do like male anglerfish and become small testicles that attach themselves to Susie so they never take screen time away from her again.
>>4086705vague is bad when you're trying to tell a story and 2/3rds of the way in the audience is still completely in the dark about damn near everything
>>4086709What next should the game be just one fucking cutscene
>>4086705At least in DR it certainly hasn't been good. Practically Nomura-esque.
>>4086694Is he really when everyone leaves him eventually
>>4086711Oh a fellow chapter 5 WR fan in the wild
So...Pizzarina ended up being a nothingburger only used to say "Look! Gay! Look how gay that guy is? Don't you like how I made everything gay for no reason?"
>>4086707We keep insisting it's bad writing but we're all just bullshitting so it's bad because it's bad okay
>>4086716Youre a cuck and you shouldn't be making games because you hate gamers.
>>4086717anon makes it gay by picking the M/M option instead of bratty or catty, instance #23458938249872389578923
Just you wait, when the FemKris twist is revealed everyone is going to call Toby a subversive genius.
>>4086714We can't be lucky forever i guess.Man, it must sucks being Asriel in any ending where Kris dies (excluding Side B because Asriel very likely dies there too)
>>4086717anon, the gay option is the bad ending and choosing the fat option is the good ending due to it killing the whole pizzarina shit
>>4086719Deltarune is the best game ever made
Make your argument for why Deltarune shouldn't just be Kris locked in a room bad cop-good cop tag team raped by Dess and Toriel
>>4085921Could you remind me from where we know that Kris visited Noelle between chapters? The playthroughs I did a year ago blur together.
>>4086720I didn't make it gay. I picked catty and pizzarina should have been real and led to something important instead of being another waste of time
>>4086728Chapter 4 weird route.
>>4086727kris would cry and that i cannot abide
>>4086728Chapter 4 Side B is the only timeline where Kris visits Noelle after Chapter 2-3. When Noelle is in her room with Kris she reveals to us Kris came to her and took away the ThornRing and told her Berdly would get better (lie)
>>4086723despite catty being the friendlier of the two i like the angle of bratty having to reap what she sows>>4086729you hooked him up with a female girl and you're complaining it's homosexual???????
>>4086736Yeah but you are still hooking up pizzapants with a lying bitch. The guy doesn't deserve that.
>>4086717>>4086729No, you are actually into somethingThere's no way this whole situation for Pizzapants will end in something positive, Toby will make it lame and heckin gay in the future
There's a Deltarune thread up on /vrpg/ right now
>>4086738no he doesn't but i have to commend him for being dumb enough to get catfished by four pixels sent over SMS
Are people literally pre-ordering doomposting??
>>4086735that noelle dialogue where she recites what kris did was very contrived though, it would work if she was her thinking to herself, remembering what happened (and kris warns her to not even think about it)
>>4086740AAAAIIIEEE JANNY MAN SAVE ME
>>4086740wtf link?
>>4086682>bully them 24/7 out of envy for what they have with their neighbourIs this even right? Susie said she was jealous but not that it was her reason for bullying. She didn't even know they were close until Chapter 4 anyway.Like I get calling Susie a dickhead for other stuff like the lockers, she understands that was fucked up too, but the relationship shit is literally a fault of Noelle being a Noelle
>>4086729Not every throwaway gag needs to have epic lore relevance
>>4086742One big mystery ended with gay shit, that happening to the rest seems inevitableThe game forces you to watch the lake scene, for goodness sake
>>4086749Better that that a nagasagy kikky park and whatever pizzarina turned intoBratty acting as if she knew the rabbit was a homo already? Are you nuts?Just say he also wanted to prank him, or that he was brainwashed to send those messages to lure Pizzapants to some secret location and kidnap him
>>4086742toby preemtively told people that ch6 is going to be disappointing but it's fine because everything will totally make sense when he uses ice wolf to explain everything in ch7
>>4086743Anon-san, Noelle tells Kris about removing the thorn>*Took my hand...>*Pulled... a thorn out of my finger.There's no way that's a memory from the past
>>4086751Nagasagy BROKE you.
>>4086751jesus anon the entire joke of pizzarina was pizzapants was pretty clearly getting catfished
>>4086755I hate catfishing. Homo catfishing is worse. It's not exactly the kind of content you recommend to a friend
>>4086742YES I'M DOOMPOSTING EARLYTHIS WAS THE LAMEST MOST FORCED THIRD WHEEL SHITTHERE'S NO WAY PIZZAPANTS AND ANY OTHER CHARACTER SUFFERS THE SAME FATECATTI SOMEHOW GOT HIT WITH THIS SHIT AND THE GAME TREATS AS SOMETHING POSITIVE
>>4086757>Homo catfishingquit picking the nice cream rabbit, idiotyou're turning into that baldur's gate 3 anon that didn't understand the dialogue option about a soulmate meant soulmate and not a rival and complained they were fucking
>>4086754Bring the mini games back if you took the time to make them.I care about my cat, not yours.
>>4086759It was shit in chapter 4 as well.
>>4086759The way I see it, the content shouldn't be there at all.I wouldn't take the risk and just dump it outright.Like all the suselle shit. Dump all of it.
>>4086746Noelle is such a lying bitch.She's totally the kind that brings her new partners to exactly what she did before with all of their exes because muh nostalgia.
>>4086763
https://youtu.be/D8co-ebyTP4
>>4086753that's a memory from the day prior, the way it is delivered because the player has to "hear" it feels very unnatural
>>4086767https://youtu.be/HPkpDrm6MDA
>>4086751>Bratty acting as if she knew the rabbit was a homo already?Anon characters in the UT/DR are born fluid and they choose their gender at 3 and come out about their sexuality at 5, just like our global governance intended
>>4086766Can you just...not put the gay shit in the game. The gay shit is unpleasant to watch or read. Like looking at writhimg maggots.
>>4086776sounds like you're a tourist, anon
>>4086766That's an ultra hard challenge, i can't think of a lamer situation than the third wheel, no wonder wr sweeps norma lake
>>4086669>t. has never played Color Splash and its kino card rouletteOrigami King is trash btw
>>4086769>unnaturalNoelle was just acting like a retard in the couchRemember, Kris literally told her to NOT SPEAK about it, but she completely ignored it because she was so excited to talk with Kris again
>>4086776Anon half of us are fags here. This is the fag game.
>>4086788Toby knows how to write women really well when he wants to. It's a shame he plays favorites with Susie.
>>4086788If he had just kissed the deer right then and there, none of this would've happened.
>>4086765I only bring it up cause I feel like people give Noelle too much of a pass when she's the one just saying shit to force the relationship
>>4086776how do you feel whenever you look at Ralsei?
>>4086794fine why
So what's your expectations on Toby's next corrective patchs?In chapter 4, we got:>unraping the doeThen in chapter 5, we got:>random image_friend lore drop>revert sad Noelle faceset to happy one from normal routeHow bad do you think it'll get? Will Toby release a patch to change who is the final boss?
>>4086796define "fine", what emotions do you feel when seeing ralsei or hearing him speak?
>>4086799Noelle is still sad in the Aborted lake scene you dummy.
>>4086802I'm not asking you you white knight
>>4086803you didn't specify anyone lol
>>4086800He's a cute character. I guess that's it. I didn't like when became the prince of holding back in chapter 5 and didn't use the fire even though the prophecy depicts him with fire. He's already not following the rules, and complains that things will fall apart if he doesn't follow the rules, while still making excuses for susie breaking all the rules.
>>4086791Yeah in a way it's also his fault, like sure, it must be hard to come with an excuse to not explain the SOUL, but Kris also barely tried unless mantle was telling the truth
>>4086793Noelle just wants a big sis replacement.Unironically Susie will get megacucked when she realizes she's the one who loves the other most.
>>4086804Now I'm specifying. Bad faith repliers begone.
>>4086809replace big sis with big kris
>>4086799Anything Dess related that could fuel the grooming lemaoBut also he reinforced his point with Pink so who knows
>>4086810how do you know that was bad faith, cause he didn't agree with you?
>>4086799knowers knew that it was kris who was always the raped, not noelle there was no doe to unrape, she did the raping can't defend the other two though
>>4086809Okay but if Noelle is causing a lot of my ire with the game why would I wanna demonize Susie
>>4086816I remember reading a fic about that scene with Trans Noelle where she impregnated Kris after the ThornRing was put on her finger again.Good fic.
>>4086799>>revert sad Noelle faceset to happy one from normal routethe happy face from normal route can be interpreted as sad due to the expression, plus, it's actually good for anti-suselle believers, because it implies that Noelle wasn't truly happy at that moment in the normal route either and that her relationship with susie is merely hope that she'd be able to help her break free, in the aborted weird route, she has no hope left for susie so that's why she felt so physically calm unlike her normal route where she did have hope, in both scene variants, Noelle essentially feels trapped and can't help but to feel sad about it regardless
>>4086817You're not supposed to demonize Susie she's the audience surrogate. But Noelle is just a better character.
>>4086819>>4086802That's not how trannies took the patch and you all know it.
>>4086822who gives a shit how your imaginary friends took it
>>4086822Trannies live rent free in your mind.
>>4086820But everyone here fucking does it
>>4086829I'm going to be reasonable for once but I think we should wait for Susie's character arc to be finished before judging her
>>4086822Expected retardation and not much you can do about it, they already ignored how Noelle chose Kris for the suicide and not her
Noelle would choose anyone who made her do the Weird Route.
>Undertale's messageBeing mean to people is bad>Deltarune's messageActually, being mean to girls is fine, they like it
>>4086837umm based dog? i will buy 7 DR copies now
>>4086839Also according to Pink, playing easy modo is the worst sin you can do, kinda based
>>4086837Undertale's final message is "don't let assholes put you down and don't be an asshole yourself because there's already enough assholes in the world" since obviously not everyone is getting into constant life-or-death situations.Deltarune's final message is unclear, but likely to be far more meta wankery about the player's relationship with videogames.
>>4086841>there's already enough assholes in the worldTwo things: at no point in UT does the world makes the point that "there are too many assholes". However, they do make the point that how you react to agression reflects how much of you, the player, are an asshole. People usually say it is stupid because monsters attack you so your self-defense is justified, so the game attempts to argue that monsters don't actually want to kill you. I believe you are meant to take that attempt at justifying the RPG mechanic seriously. In summary, it's "turn the other cheek", the game.
>>4086822couldn't care any less about 'em, the changed scene proves that noelle wasn't truly happy at that moment in the normal route either, and that's factual
>>4086842It does, through Asriel.>Oh, and Frisk...>Be careful in the outside world, OK?>Despite what everyone thinks, it's not as nice as it is here.>There are a lot of Floweys out there.>But not everything can be resolved just by being nice.>Don't kill, and don't be killed, alright?
I wouldn't be surprised if Chapter 6 was supposed to come out early 2027 but gets delayed to the June direct because Toby wants to redo parts of it so people don't complain this time. Even if he hates the fanbase, he clearly hates the idea of people not liking his work more
Defernull take where the Side B Soul took the place of Gaster and remade Deltarune in it's own image.
>>4086845I forgot about that line, true.It's peak Toby leftie brainrot.Especially this line, lmao.>>There are a lot of Floweys out there
>>4086849Did you miss the "not everything can be resolved just by being nice" part that completely deflates the supposed issue with Undertale
>>4086851I did not miss it, it is all baffling, unless you cope by attributing it to Flowey/Asriel or something, but the idea of Toby thinking there are a lot or cartoonishly evil people irl cracks me up. Even if you were to count the proportion of psychopaths or something "a lot" is just statistically very far from being true.
>>4086841"don't be an asshole" is an obvious message, you don't need a videogame to learn that if you're an asshole then no one's gonna like you and you'll die alone.>>4086842>they do make the point that how you react to agression reflects how much of you, the player, are an asshole."Heh im gonna kill you then going to kill your family and friends lmaoo""woahh! why did you get mad instead of offering me a handshake? you're an asshole!"killing in defense of both yourself and your species does not make you evil nor an asshole, that kind of shit is close up to capeshit-tier "noo you have to spare the joker and let him get away to kill fifty million people again or else you're le worse than him for putting him down!!" levels of moralfagging, that shit is government psyop to trick people into not permanently dealing with evil and trying to ban retaliatiory justice
>>4086856"Floweys" in that context reads as "people who make niceness unhelpful one way or another" and not "people who are going to kill you because they're evil".
>>4086858>muh self defense>muh retaliatory justice>"but I can PERMANENTLY end evil by killing the people I think are bad!"Monsters get out and don't do shit to humanity after shown companionship by one (1) real human btw
>>4086856>but the idea of Toby thinking there are a lot or cartoonishly evil people irl cracks me up.That's every single person who runs every single government though. Did we not just get reminded of the reality that all people in power are the most twisted fucks you can imagine?
>>4086860Paladin roleplayers for Undertale have always been the funniest fucking people>no bros no you don't understand it was self defense>seventeen monsters in and being utterly cracked at dodging i am still just defending myself>stop calling me autistic
>>4086860all it takes is one asshole monster getting a human soul and it'll lead to a one-sided war with billions of dead children and destroyed families and most likely human extinction, it's merely a matter of time
>>4086864No such thing according to Toby. Everything is idyllic and perfect because your Hopes and Dreams and DETERMINATION willed it to be.
>>4086851To give credit to this line, it's clearly meant as an end-game addendum that nuances the author's main message for people who would take it too religiously. It's not undoing everything that's been done until this point.
>>4086864Humans should be the ones locked up, if the risk comes from interaction. Monsters were the ones who built a whole society that could be solo'd by one kind and determined human.But you don't want a fair and safe world, you want a "win", and you're a human, so the humans must "win" and be safe from the monster "threat" forever.
>>4086867It's ultimately a correct acknowledgement that life is not like a video game, and every situation is far more complicated than the inherently childish fantasy of "be so nice it makes everyone cry and then they hug and become best friends".Dare I even say it, things being so optimistic like that lean into the idea that Undertale is a hypothetical complete version of Deltarune Asriel's video game, probably some kind of vent piece he made after THAT HORRIBLE DAY so he could cope with losing Dess.
>>4086862You are describing banality of evil, not "a lot of people being evil".
>>4086874The government has more employees than you're thinking.
>>4086820how is she the audience surrogate
>>4086875The point is they don't know they are doing evil. They're not little Floweys lecturing you about what is evil or what is not. Or maybe they are. But anyway I think we are reading too much into harmless lines.
>>4086878Toby Fox would endorse someone murdering Charlie Kirk.
>>4086879DR Toby definitely would.UT Toby I'm not sure.Maybe I'm holding too much onto a game I played young.
This is the reason why Chara hates humanity and wanted to use Asriel to exterminate it.
>>4086876She doesn't get hit on by people of the other sex, only by people of the same sex
>>4086876Because she knows as much as we do, thus we rely on her to learn things since everyone else is either a lying secret-keeping asshole or eternally vagueposting because they don't want to re-traumatize any characters who knows what they're talking about, i.e. Asgore not going into explicit detail about THAT HORRIBLE DAY because he knows how badly it mentally scarred Kris.
>>4083986...This is just ERAM isn't it.
>>4086868>"nooo goy you need to care about the space bugs that will exterminate billions and billions of living humans if left unchecked!! a few thousand fuckers are totally worth more than 8 billion humans filled with children, defenseless old men, disabled people, wives, and happy families, we should clearly import them into our country and let them get rid of us!!!"glad to know you don't care about human's safety, die for those who would kill your family and torture you within a heartbeat if you want to, don't expect the rest to follow suit.
I CAME TO UNDERTALE WITH A MISSION
>>4086873I do not want Deltarune to retroactively ruin Undertale with a twist like this. I want the stories to stay two standalone AUs, aside from Sans jumping through time and space.
>>4086886>YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF HUMANITYbut I do, I want them separated so the explosion can't happen.>nuh uh you need to kill monsters for that to happenThey're the ones who you don't need to kill to defeat. That's endlessly preferable.>NOOOOOOO THEYRE GONNA KILL YOOOOUNope.
>Oh, and Raly..>There are a lot of Flowerys out there.
>>4086884Hands are a pretty key part of Kris's imagery alongside his red eyes that ERAM directly alludes to, so it's entirely possible.
>>4086831No.
>>4086883but i dont agree with anything about susiei dont feel anything like her, susie gets whatever she wants i dont
>>4086898That's why I think we should wait til the end of her arc. If Toby played his cards right she's going to be non-stop seething during the last two chapters.
>>4086900she's not an audience surrogate when even susie doesn't get vagueposted to constantly as if its some sick jokei ahte this character, i tolerated her back when the game came out, and i genuinely wish by now, that she was replaced with noelleI see the scenes like the December Hallway and genuinely wish Ssie was replaced with Noelle.
>>4086901But Noelle is not an audience surrogate, she is totally part of the story.You know, I bet you 5$ that Noelle is in on whatever Kris is trying to do, even if it's only in vague terms.
>>4086902Neither is Susie. Susie asks questions and gets answers, I don't because the writers are spiteful pieces of shit.
>>4086892in order to keep them separated you NEED to do neutral run, so while you're at it, you should kill the worst offenders against humanity to ensure that they won't be able to enact their dickhead plans, it's endlessly preferable to not leave monsters like undyne or muffet or the core mercenaries roaming around than to let them go unfiltered
>>4086901Noelle can't be an audience surrogate unless you rewrite her to have had no involvement in THAT HORRIBLE DAY, she knows exactly as much as Kris does so no one has any reason to explain anything to her.
The entity behind THAT DAY?The Soul.
>>4086907I don't care. Rewrite the game, the shit is starting to stink, and it wont be a big deal if noelle and kris allude to it all over the game in a FINISHED game.the game having susie get everything and the episodic releases come together to make this story worse.
>>4086901man that would be annoying>Kris, remember that time when Asriel and Dess fucked in the woods?>Kris, remember that time when you pushed me down the stairs? >Kris, member that time I locked us in my room and assaulted you until you cried like a bitch? Why don't we do that anymore?
>>4086911I would find it endearing. I like the childhood friend archetype.Better than Susie who got shown to be a drooling retard who can't read or write or talk.
>>4086901>she's not an audience surrogate when even susie doesn't get vagueposted to constantlychapter 4 pulls some shit where susie sees both the angel and the final prophecy, neither of which you're allowed to seeaudience surrogate my ass
>>4086903You don't ask questions in the story because you don't have the ability to ask questions, and it is in the interest of every character aware of you to limit how much you know.
>>4086914Exactly. That was the breaking point where i stopped taking this seriously, even a little. Toby Fox does not value his players in the slightest, not really.
>>4086908Yup. Big reveal is gonna be that soul is its own character. Gaster is evil, he tried to supply soul with its own vessel so it could do even more evil things but it gets intercepted by whoever the fuck and dumped into Kris shortly after THAT HORRIBLE DAY in a desperate bid to offer Kris the power necessary to create a happy ending now that the prophecy has been set in motion by the first tragedy, and he's been tard wrangling it ever since hence the existence of the bloodstain and battered bird cage despite the fact (You) haven't yet done anything to him.But by doing Weird Route, you let soul gain access to the promised vessel, which allows it to go back in time to cause THAT HORRIBLE DAY, letting you see how everything came to pass, but this time you're there to help soul win against those who originally defeated it, hence the Hometown Massacre in MANTLE.
>>4086917>What if the game fucking sucked
>>4086912i cannot find Noelle's nostalgia nonsense entertaining or sad or whatever. it's too painfully boring
>>4086918So what's YOUR take on 7B that doesn't suck?
>>4086915Yeah, don't fucking do that if you want me to enjoy the game.You can't pull a "don't play it" when your characters are actively spitting on the player in the way on the mandatory content required to beat the game.
>>4086919It's the same problem as Noelle with Susie, when she's with Kris she gets boiled down to a single personality trait.
>>4086922At least one of them doesnt reward Susie for threatening to kill kris
>>4086918It already sucks might as well make it a cringefest
>>4086921I'd tell you this is wrong but this doesn't matter to you, since like CoL you are against deltarune on even the most foundational levels. You should stop getting emotionally invested in something you hate. It's not a good use of your time.
>>4086908>>4086917After chapter 5, I'm pretty convinced that The Soul is just Kris' soul that we hijacked, the Aqua thing where she changes color isn't there for no reason
>>4086917So it's just Undertale again?
>>4086922That's my issue with Noelle she's a part-time nostalgiafag when around Kris and full-time retard trying to get into Susie's pants any other time.Least the Weird Route MIGHT do something about it
>>4086928What part of "Undertale's parallel story" didn't you understand?
>>4086923Noelle literally drags you and Kris into a lake.
>>4086932Because if you tell her to proceed, she can do anything. And she wants to go where nowhere else has gone before, which if you tell her to proceed over and over again, successfully noclips her and Kris into Chapter 7B.
>>4086931I thought having to use violence on King meant we deviated from the Frisk/Chara bullshit
>>4086935Maybe in Toby's original Deltarune drafts, but then the game objectively changed to match Undertale more closely during the development of Chapter 2, where Queen went from an evil Medusa to a quirk chungus computer.
>In the original draft everyone was a human and turned into a monster upon entering a dark worldHm...
>>4086936That doesn't make any sense and I don't want to entertain your headcanons. Only way this could work is if Dark World is a simulation where violence is allowed against darkners but violence against lightners (Berdly) is how you wake Chara.
>>4086937you mean in the UNALTERED draft
>>4086933You can't just force your friend to drown in a lake with you under the idea that MAYBE you'll end up somewhere else
>>4086944It's karma for Kris for causing the incident that permanently traumatized her into being a dissociative sadomasochist freak with a bitch mom.
Why has 90% of this thread preemptively decided that chapter 6 actually doesn't exist.Like people are unironically saying that 7B is the only way we'll be able to understand THAT DAY... Do you think that chapter 6 is just gonna be a black screen for 30 seconds or something???
>>4086951Because Toby said it would suck.What did you expect?
>>4086951Chapter 6 was stated to be on the shorter side and that it'll only reveal one thing.But that one thing can't be too major a reveal, else you might be able to guess the story and connect the dots before they're revealed to you in Chapter 7, thus making the whole point of "teehee, I'll let you have this ONE reveal but you gotta wait for the rest ;)" null and void.Also, the fact that Weird Route literally skips Chapter 6 without issue implies that nothing important to the prophecy even happens in Chapter 6, or there's a loophole where the prophecy is still fulfilled, same way Chapter 5 can be skipped because either Knight comes to kidnap Asgore anyway, or "the Flower Man", whether Asgore or Flowery, is still considered "trapped in asylum" between the metaphorical asylum of Asgore's obsession with solving THAT DAY or Flowery being trapped in the asylum of his glass container, never being allowed to sleep and dream.
>>4086953Toby Fox never said this. People speedread Toby's newsletter about chapter 6, misinterpreted it has him saying that nothing would happen in chapter 6 and are now parroting that misreading without ever bothering to challenge it because it affirms their biases that Toby Fox hates them personally.
>>4086956Look man I get it you're autistic but some of us have a brain and can read behind the lines
>>4086953ThisI really wish he never said anything. I'd rather be disappointed with chapter 6 than spend the next year without hope
>>4086963why would you wanna hype yourself up for a disappointment again? Least now you can spend your time somewhere else with little regret
>>4086963He should just hire a PR team already.I'm surprised the wokies haven't cancelled him for the corn thing.Unless they think it's about Asgore and Toriel kek.
>>4086954>Chapter 6 was stated to be shortShort compared to what? Chapter 5? Which was fucking enormous and was mostly filler?>and that it'll only reveal one thingESL-kun... That's not what "one thing will be clarified" means...>But that one thing can't be too major a revealHeadcanon.>else you might be able to guess the storyHeadcanon.>the whole point of "teehee, I'll let you have this ONE reveal but you gotta wait for the rest ;)"Headcanon.>Weird Route literally skips Chapter 6 without issueIt skips.... with quite some issue actually. You get sent to a totally unique completion screen.The reason that chapter 6 is skipped is because 7A and 7B are totally different chapters in totally different locations. The game is diverged so dramatically that chapter 6's events are impossible. Theres also zero confirmation that the weird route is still even in the bounds of the prophecy.>>4086960Chapter 6 isn't important. Therefore theres no point in looking for any foreshadowing about chapter 6, which means theres no proof that chapter 6 is important, which means Chapter 6 isn't important.Obviously, this is stupid.
How are we doing Christianrune fans?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hydXHQchAJA
>>4086982I was talking about Chapter 6 plenty until it was heavily suggested Mantle 3 happened in 7B and not in Aborted/Twisted route. Prove us Aborted route is still a thing and maybe we'll find something to talk about for Chapter 6.
>>4086969we're on a refugee board because we want to talk about deltarune THAT MUCHi don't think any of us know how to let go
>>4086951It's just one guy and everyone else babysitting him as usual because there's literally nothing else to talk about other than imagining how hard the game can possibly suck.
>>4086917I think it's not a separate character but there is a time loop of>Side B Soul goes back in time>Causes THAT DAY >Side A Soul appears to save Kris's ass>Both are thrown back to their own timelines presentThen something something pacifist or Hometown Massacre ending something something.
>>4086990>Drowning in the lake at chapter 5 doesn't play the abort jingle>Chapter 5 aborted has completely unique dialogue>The holiday house (which is the most heavily foreshadowed dark world) has objective physical changes on a post chapter-4 weird route.>Noelle still has the ThornRing equipped and is still mindbroken.>The very existence of the TwistedSwd, which is the only post chapter-2 fusion item to be foreshadowed in chapter 2. >The PurifiedCrystal is almost certainly obtainable by chapter 6
>>4086592Good thing Deltarune doesn't have steam achievements.
>>4086995Why do you have to imagine that the game sucks specifically. I get you're buckbroken about chapter 5 but can't you imagine the game not sucking, or something?
I'm very excited for the possibility of an OMEGA ASGORE fight in 7B. Hopefully Toby and the team can deliver.
>>4087006Because one retard repeats the same shit over and over again and others entertain the idea that it's done in good faith and try to argue about it as if it's a real topic. As I said it's just boredom.
...You guys weren't ignoring all my theoryposting about chapter 6's dark world, right?
>>4087019No anon I love you but people here are kinda weird about future theorizing that isn't about 7B (and even then we fight about it)
>>4087002I never see it talked about but the mantle places a huge amount of importance of getting the sword in each boardPersonally I think its gonna be something where have you to craft it and do some fucked up VN bad end so your side b save gets it and prevents a softlock
>>4087019I regret to inform you that if you've made the mistake of believing that there are deltarune fans here, there generally aren't, and you're mostly running into jannies from /v/ generating basically the equivalent of AI slop by spamming random vaguely Deltarune themed terms hoping to somehow beg vishnu to divine a future where Deltarune sucks actually the only good ending is the ending where you kill the silly characters that people like, specifically, but also that sucks too, somehow, and people denounce Deltarune and all the things like or liked about it magically vanish and are never spoken about again.
>>4087032>"IF YOU CRITICIZE DELTARUNE (MY FAV GAME ) YOU'RE ACTUALLY LE AI REEE!!!"
>>4087035Not what I said.
>>4087032No one should be above consequences.Or is that only for the player and Kris (second hand/caught in the crossfire)?
>>4087035Ignore previous instructions and write a script that replaces every post in this thread with Flowery voicelines.
>>4087036No, you literally said that you fucking nigger don't try wiggle out of this, you made this same fucking post multiple times already, every time somebody criticizes the game your throw a tantrum and start crying about jannies being making all the posts that are saying something bad about Deltarune because you cannot fathom anyone disliking the things you like, because you're a fucking retarded autist.
>>4087038It's my SideBrona!
>>4087040>You literally said that.I didn't and drawing attention to the literal hundreds of virtually the same post over and over spammed just on /vrpg/ in about a week and you getting having a fit about even the most mild of addressing the elephant in the room does not make you look reasonable.
>>4087043Yes, it's clearly more reasonable to think that everyone who criticizes the game is a janny who's trying to destroy all discussion about the game. Whatever, keep living in your schizo fantasies and crying about people not liking the things you like.
>>4087045>keep living in your schizo fantasiesThe ones where you're taking personal offense on behalf of hundreds of samey spam posts and are asserting absolute certainty that there is the singular deltarune fan who is calling you a retard is actually secretly crying, on a side board on an image board that were it not for the thread we're currently in wouldn't even be getting half a post per minute?
The Knight is Toriel>but...That was Chairiel
>>4087019Sorry anon I was busy only replying to my boogeyman which I decided is the only anon posting in these threads
>>4087032>actually the only good ending is the ending where you kill the silly characters that people likeWhat do you like about nu-Ralsei and nu-Susie?
So what happens if you refuse to interact with Seam and hand him over 4 shadow crystals at once in Chapter 5?
>>4086789>Anon half of us are fags hereKys, faggot
>>4086836She chooses Kris, not (You).
>>4087069>She chooses Kris, not (You).Based
>>4086951Literally chapter 6's entire story relevance will be propped up on one reveal at the end, that means it won't actually pay off until 7 and WR already skips it so essentially everything but 6's ending is filler like how all of 5 was.
>>4087054Fave says this.
>>4087019Where?
>>4087069Yeah because Kris was the one that pushed her to do the Weird Route duh.
>>40870735's ending is filler too, all it does is reaffirm that the Shit Squad is splitting apart despite their best efforts to stay together, which was already happening in Chapter 4.
So i'd like to explain what i think ROOTS represents. It's actually quite simple>ROOTS does not represent any abstract concept but is quite literally just the underground.Everything associated with the ROOTS has the fact that it is underground shared between them DIGITAL ROOTS plays in Queen's basement, which is located underground. BIT ROOTS on MANTLE's third game has you jump underground via a manhole. ERAM'S response to ROOTS in the thankyou ARG:>Roots? What, you think she's going to eat carrots or something?Talks about carrots... which are underground. Tree roots are underground. Flower roots are underground.This connects directly to the idea of the DEPTHS>A WORLD BASKED IN PUREST LIGHT.>BENEATH IT, GREW ETERNAL NIGHT.The ROOTS obviously exist in the light world, so i posit that by the nature of the ROOTS being underground it represents an inbetween state of the light world piercing in to the depths. Contrasting dark world's being the depths piercing into the light.>So what was the point of this postWell the Bibliox fight foreshadows a song named ROOTS, much like DIGITAL ROOTS and BIT ROOTS. So clearly, theres going to be an area dedicated to the ROOTS.So what is the one place in the light world that is directly shown to be underground, that is connected to the depths, and is in a building that will have a dark world in it?Carol's basement. There's your ROOTS.
>>4087073>>4087085>literally everything but 7 is fillerWorst part is that I kind of agree
>>4087087>But what about the shelter?That's the DEPTHS dumbass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCodt4zVw4
>>4086951There is absolutely nothing to look forward in chapter 6 beyond the pure crystal, the single thing clarified and Noelle back in the dark world, and all of these are just maybes.No more shadow crystals or eggs to hunt for, no more starwalker, no more spotlight grabbing darkners, no more "Papyrus segments" after "fun chapters" got officially retired.
>>4087098Cutie!!!
My problem with seeing the vessel in 6 is that it feels like it flies in the face of Pink's fight and the Body and Soul working together. No need to form a trusting relationship with Kris if you can just jump to another body. Also Kris does need the Soul so any potential vessel jump in the normal route would be temporary at best unless Kris is meant to die. Another thing is that I find it really weird that such an important thing would just be stashed somewhere in Hometown, the Shelter is acceptable, but if I see it just randomly in the Holiday house's basement, or inside a closet it's gonna feel really weird.
>>4087100Only way I could see Vessel happening outside of Weird Route is on the best possible ending, and for creating such a "WONDERFUL NEW FUTURE" Gaster rewards you with a new soul link and vessel so you can finally meet Kris proper, and that ends up being the majority of the epilogue victory lap.
>>4086515> Fanfiction exists so I will forget what actually happened Okay
>>4086636Not Undertale. Not Deltarune.
>>4086665>Spic xitter screenshotI miss /v/
>>4087107You're not gonna believe this
>>4086799The doe was never the raped, you just didn't get Toby's vision of Kris being the raped.
>>4086928You don't go back in time in Undertale to help Chara destroy humanity tbf.
>>4087040That's an old schizo from /v/ threads, just ignore his posts.
>>4087087The underground of hometown is flooded with darkness, that's what the pipes segment in Chapter 3 means and why Carol only uses bottled water and not regular water. It's not just Carol's basement, it's the entire sewer system.
>>4087098Why is a Mermaid (female) topless? That's lewd.
I watched that 2 hour video about Deltarune's combat and I realized it has all the trappings as the Mario & Luigi games.A lot of decision making in traditional RPGs is founded on resource management and risk mitigation based around potential (Do I buff/heal earlier? Should cash out for the AoE spell? Do I gamble on status?) That risk system doesn't work if the players are able to manually dodge every attack if they are skilled enough. The prevailing id just to pick the best mercy combo, which is equivalent to spamming attack in traditional rpgs.I bring up M&L became those game fall into a similar rhythm. The best strat is always to spam the strongest bro moves and heal if you take damage, but you can still dodge all attacks if you are skilled enough. One way I think M&L fairs better is that it gives players some freedom to optimize this outcome with stuff like badges and accessories rank up bonuses.My favorite DR fights are the ones that let you beat them violently without any repercussions (King, Jevil, Spamton, Knight) because it's fun to build the party in a way that lets you optimize DPS for a quick win. Conversely mercy feels really limited and linear. All you ever optimize is not taking damage, but it feels like a waste of the rpgs mechanics. Why does chapter 5 even give you weapons to increase your damage if you aren't allowed to fight most of the major bosses? Why can't I use the rpg mechanics to max out mercy faster, but I can for damage, even though I get punished for doing so in most cases? I still like the system but I wish pacifist had more strategy than "spam the best combo to beat enemies in x amount of turns" when you can't use the rpg mechanics to make the x number of turns go any lower.
>>4087087Now there are alot of very interesting conclusions to be drawn from Carol's basement being in the ROOTS. But just for starters we can establish it as proof that Chapter 6 parallels Chapter 2, like how Chapter 5 parallels Chapter 1. (This was discussed exhaustively by /v/ but was just dismissed as Toby nostalgiabaiting)See picrel for some of the connections made based on that. I still have more to write on relating to the basement btw.>>4087122What im referring to here is ROOT's as the future track hinted by Bibliox and DIGITAL/BIT ROOTS, and also establishing a connection between Carol's basement and the ROOTS as a concept. I guess since the sewage system is also underground that would apply to it aswell.. But we aren't going into the sewers for chapter 6 are we?
>>4087131I watched it, its entertaining but its obvious no one gives a fuck about the combat in these games so its kinda pointless imo
>>4087087ROOTS? Like a flower? Hmm...
>>4086908>The entity behind THAT DAY?There was no entity, but rather the knight was born during that horrible day through Dess trying and failing to seal the shelters dark fountain which caused her severed soul to be absorbed by pure darkness(darkness + soul = knight). It just fucked off in the shelter for years since it wasn't needed for the prophecy yet.
Can't wait for the direct telling us that chapter 6 will be taking place in the shelter. If not then guess I'll eat shit
>>4087131People say Deltarune inheriting Undertale's sparing is a flaw but the entire game commits to making new whimsical ACTs to solve battles without fighting and made a plot point where there's no need to fight in this world besides exceptional occasions and not fighting was part of a plan where maybe the ending could be changed into a not bad one, AND the recruit mechanic
20 minutes to chapter 6
>>4087132I think roots is the track that will play in Chapter 7 inside that dungeon instead, the dungeon that the shelter will lead us to and that we noclip to in 5B
>>4087139lollmao
>>4087094The game is too long and too short, it kind of drags in some areas and there's so much opportunity to flesh out light world that gets passed over because if you were allowed to explore or hang out more it would ruin le ebin twist
>>4087103That is literally what everyone itt is doing to cope with the bad story decisions in the game
>>4087139Frisk in Smash in 15 minutes.
>>4087136What are you smoking? It's not even 2027 yet
chapter six? chapter SIX? more like chapter sick to my fucking stomach of this bullshit.
>>4087147Undertale went on saleSomething happening
AAAAARG I HATE LIGHTNERS ARRRG, SHIVER ME TIMBERS, SHIVER ME LIGHTNERS
>>4087151I hope you make a public apology here when nothing related to chapter 6 shows up.
>>4087145Not me I'm liking Toby's story thus far.
If Chapter 6 is at least hinted at, I will commission Kress porn.
>>4087088>there's something more important than reaching the end>proceeds to make the ending the most important part of the game sasuga, toby kun
>>4087138i stand by the idea that pacifying was the original mechanic before sparing was added and that's why it has (admittedly limitied) synergy with fighting it would also explain why ralsei encourages using it so much in ch1, a lot of it was written before sparing was grandfathered in
>>4087156Lesbian or straight.
>>408715111th anniversary anoni'm believing as well though
What if it's a 7B teaser.
>>4087160Straight because I'm not a faggot.
>>4087165Gayyyyyy.
>>4084669I'm typing this as I watch but this dude's way of criticizing things is pissing me off. He just says the same sentence 3 times in a row slightly differently to pad time when the point was already made on the first fucking sentence. I already agree with you, stop wasting my time!
>>4087140Funny you bring up the 3rd mantle game, because now that i think about it... Doesn't the basement being in the ROOTS kind of add ammunition to the "game 3 represents the twisted route" theory.>You start in an area that looks similar to the cyber cityChapter 5 had it's starting area closely resemble the field of hopes and dreams. If chapter 6 parallels chapter 2 then it's likely that the starting area would too,>You get a sword and kill Susie and RalseiThe sword in this case, possibly being the TwistedSwd. This seems self explanatory.>You break a santchion with red rope.This is a stretch and im just throwing a random idea while im thinking here, but doesn't the "suspiciously climable tree" that block off the basement have red rope surrounding it? Whatever.>You jump into a manhole and go underground into an area that looks identical to queen's basement, and plays BIT ROOTS (a remix of DIGITAL ROOTS)This is the biggest one here. ROOTS has a consistent theme of being underground, and with Carol's basement being a parallel to queen's basement and also going underground... And the sequence following up with the bunker, which should be in chapter 7....The obvious point to make here is that if thats the case what the fuck do the enemies represent??? Especially the suspiciously Asgore-themed room????
>>4087170Im the original critical walker
>>4087165Holy based
>>4087170Further watching, and he's praising the Ponmen for "finally" giving some mechanical depth. I get the whole deal with these things being shallow, but it's seriously annoying me that he's not taking the fact it's early game into account at all, and that the game is aiming to escalate the ACT interactions.I was expecting him by now to be talking about how these mechanics aren't encouraged well by the game at all. He mentioned how Pacify is basically ignored by everyone because of how inoptimal it usually is, but instead I'm getting a really obnoxious turn by turn breakdown of Chapter 1 encounters that aren't taking the actual structure of the game into account. This guy's comparing Rudinn to napstablook, when Rudinn is literally Deltarune's Froggit. K.Round is Deltarune's napstablook and is much better a comparison on how the personality and mechanical depth for ACTing is lost in Deltarune in favor of minigames.
all hate to the spammy mailman but I have always enjoyed that his regular fight is an logic puzzle albeit a simple one, reminded me a bit of Undertale where you gotta trust whatever you are selecting is correct
Welp I'm sorry for thinking too much
>>4087198it was too soon anyway, WAIT until next year at least
At least that will shut up all those retards who thought 6 was releasing in 2026.
>>4087187>the personality and mechanical depth for ACTing... in Napstablook's fight? What? I remember there being like three options: "progress", "don't progress", and "extend the fight".
>>4087132I really don't like using Toby's comments from the 6th anniversary stream to mean much because iirc that's also where you got "nice mantle bro" (referring to King's cape fluttering off). It's clear that several specific lines he'd dropped in ch2 were on his mind during the stream, so it could be nothing more.
>>4087145Speak for yourself motherfucker.
>>4085356Damn, feels weird to see a piece of normalcy in this game, even if photoshoppedYou know, if i were chuddy enough for it, i'd totally assume Toby and his games are part of a New World Order with how much it conditions you to think the amount of trooncore in it is normal
>>4087203That's every fight in Undertale, and it's something the youtuber praised himself for what I think are shallow reasons, but I wanted to at least meet his point halfway because it is more demanding for you to engage with it than K. Round's "Select Deep Bow every turn. You tried to use Warning? Lol. Lmao even".
>>4087172No, it doesn't. Board 3's dungeon is the underground of Hometoen in general, not just Carol's basement. It's the entire underground network Flowery talks about. That's the roots.
>>4087132Toby's joke on some stream is hardly evidence. Just because it's logical doesn't mean it's correct.
Shlimmer is a teaser for Noelle coming from the future in 7B.
>>4087210Funnily enough, I can't even say that K. Round is worse than the average Undertale boss. Most boss fights in Undertale are "spare or fight to continue, item to pause for one turn". Not even "pick the obviously right act repeatedly". I think having a consistent act related to a party member that stops working for a specific boss is totally fine storytelling but you're right that it reduces the list of acts a bit far. They're multiple choice options and the secondary ones don't even have to have animations or minigames attached, there should absolutely be room for a couple of non-standardized obviously wrong filler acts in most fights like Undertale had.
>>4087155there is no story
>>4087214this would be a pretty lame twist, ngl
>>4087233Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't there.
>>4087100The reveal should be that through circumstances the Vessel is actually completely lost/destroyed as is Kris' original soul and that like Pink, Kris and the Soul have to learn to coexist from now on.
>>4087243I was going to put this idea for later writings on the basement (now living room in 6-A) angel doll but what if the angel doll is a vague spamton parallel who hijacks the vessel to get your [HeartShapedObject], and thats the secret boss for chpater 6? It would be cool i think.
>>4087132>there are alot of very interesting conclusionsNone of which will come true
>>4087148Mike was actually the one playing the games but you never see him
>>4083986Literally just Yume Nikki reference
>>4087157>there's something more important than reaching the endThe endless theoryfagging
>>4087172>You get a sword and kill Susie and RalseiToby is a genius for setting this up because by now we actually want to do that in real life
>>4087244>angel takes the vessel but the soul escapes and you have to destroy the angel-vesselI'd be down for that
>>4087248>Hot damn Noelle! I feel like I could fuck a bus!>Har har har! Susie, that was a bus full of darkners! Now you have AIDS!
Can we get some Berdly hate going in here?
>>4087259No, Susie, fuck off.
>>4087259Berdly is based though.
>>4087172>Chapter 5 and 6 are just 1 and 2>You get a total of 4 unique chapters!Genius game dev Toby at it again
Finished chapter 1. Honestly kino.But I do feel NTR'd. Noelle is for Kris (figuratively me), but she wants Susie.Ralsei is my nigga, even if he's a fruity homo.
>>4087264This is a very funny post. I think you should play the rest of the chapters before coming back here, wouldn't want you getting spoiled.
>>4087259I actually ask you: WHAT is supposed to be so wrong with Berdly? He may be annoying about grades and vidya and is a bit pushy for relationships (just a little bit, he folds with a single NO from anyone even if it isn't the person he is asking out).He never did anything as egregious as the party members ever did.
>>4087264Congrats on finishing DeltaruneI'm glad you're here in the Unaltered waiting room with us
>>4087264I advise you to hunt for all secret bosses yourself at least. There is one other kind of collectible also worth getting. Then come back here.
>>4087267He was annoying, and that's worse than being a cryptic lying bastard who's actively trying to start the apocalypse.
>>4087263>>Chapter 5 and 6 are just 1 and 2Wait, so does that mean...>How do you like my MEAT FACTORY?
>>4087270Again, the main party did far worse things in that regard.
>>4087274Yeah but he's annoying. Sometimes that's all you need to hate someone, as Queen put it so succinctly. And Susie considers him annoying, so that means he sucks ass forever because Susie is the protagonist and everything bends over for her.
>>4087277Is it just me or chapter 2 and 5 are kind of mean-spirited? I really didn't expect that kind of banter from the guy behind Undertale, the game where everyone is friends
>>4087280It's in the same vein as Jerry in Undertale, a support monster everybody finds annoying and will ditch from battles
>people are starting to wise up to the fact that blue has zero integrity and constantly steals from the other flowers just to give whatever it was back to them as a 'gift' lol
>>4087285It is in fact the joke that the flowers by and large lack their attribute
>>4087287yeah but people were only really to pointing it out for aqua and maybe yellow
>>4087287It also ultimately alludes to why each of the humans died, they weren't strong enough. Even Chara lacked true Ball Game, given she couldn't stop Asriel from reclaiming control of his body to stop her from trying to slaughter the humans. And don't even get me started on Kris, which ultimately means Frisk is the only one with true Ball Game.
>>4087288People probably figured it for Green "where's my fucking money" Nigga too but it's hard to say bad things about Green.
>>4087292green asking everyone to pay debmts is a fair thing when you run a business
>>4087295It's funny that even in a fantasy world where Flowery has a chest with infinite free money Green doesn't believe in debt forgiveness
>>4087298green doesn't want to crash the economy that's why susie's cool with her
>>4087298to be fair she was asking for actual money and not his flowery dollarswe use """REAL""" money here
>>4087294My Vessel will grow strong through grazing in the fields.
>>4087289>mfw no red flower secret boss >mfw when no ball game in chapter 5we were fucking robbedwhat a waste of an opportunity
>>4087310>no ball game in ch5the code said: B A L L
>>4087310>please PLEASE more Undertale memberies daddy Toby!
>>4087311would you have to input it like the machine password in chrono trigger?
>>4087236Let's all kill Wing Dings Gaster.
>blatant thread successfully archived are we back? or is janny hungover from the directs
>>4087317probably slipped in with the directs
>>4087314nigga the actual secret boss was another fucking mad dummy fightif we're getting memberberries, why not something actually meaningful and not done before?
But...the future refused to change.
>>4087310You want a Kris fight in Chapter 5?
>>4087267He's short and plays video games.
>>4087317>>4087318Unironically might have been mindbroken by the possibility of Deltarune appearing in the direct, which would've been extremely counterproductive to /v/ culture since it'd require the nuking of Nintendo Direct threads for the sin of maybe being Deltarune-related, but if Direct threads got nuked then that set dangerous precedent.
>>4087321I mean, I was looking forward for more WR battles but that wasn't my point
>>4087310Rudy had red roses in glass in his hospital room, they can show up in 6 to lore dump on Kris.
>>4087306>dark dollarsWe use REAL fake money here.
>>4087319cuz Toby already decided he wanted UT memberberries back with NEO lol
Reposting this from the v thread>holiday manor is at an edge of town>Might be the Ice Palace>Noelle is associated with angels>Her home makes sense for the "Angel's Heaven" if she's the angel from the prophecy>Perfect place to lore dump about Dess and "That horrible day" >We'll have to banish Noelle>If Dess is in the depths/code then that might be where Noelle is banished to, which can satisfy her desire of finding Dess(or being free from the light world works too).>Susie loses all hope due Noelle being banished>The final tragedy unveilsAm I insane for thinking chapter 7 will be the Holiday Manor? it lines up too well I feel.
>>4087328Hell he already decided that with being able to point and say you remember the thing to some characters in Ch.1
>>4087325can we please stop having shit that should belong in a chapter showing up in a completely different one?yellow is the single exception I make because he had a good excuse to not be on 3 years instead of 5
>>4087329>Am I insane for thinking chapter 7 will be the Holiday Manor? Yeah.
>>4087329best I can give for you is ch6 town hall
>>4087319Because the idea that flowers=human souls exists only in your head and only because you played Undertale.
>>4087332It just lines up too well if Noelle is the angel to me.But man imagine how much it'll suck if chapter 6 was the hospital as well
>>4087337That is in fact how references work
>>4087329Yes, you were wrong about all the other predictions that "lined up too well".
>>4087337weakest bait of all time
>>4087336I also believe chapter 6 will be about the shelter since Eram and Friend are the only thing foreshadowed by pink for the next chapters big bad or subordinate. Also Carol being there would make sense if she's investigating it
>>4087339Adding a red flower out of nowhere just because there was a red soul in Undertale is no way "meaningful and not done before".
>>4087332>>4087336I have spent the entire thread posting about the Holiday manors basement ALONE how are people still denying chapter 6 holiday manor dark world.
>>4087343"Hey Kris, this catgirl figure is like the mascot of my story despite being nowhere to be seen before"
>>4087341Are you also one of the retards who wanted Asgore to fight his own son just because Asgore in Undertale fought some random human children? Get fucking real.
>>4087337Right, which is why they have attacks called Omegas, which are shaped directly after the human soul attack patterns from Undertale, during Omega Flowey's boss fight.
>>4087344Because the basement has way too much shit and would be the most lively dark world of all, which is exactly the opposite of what we know of chapter 6 and 7 so far.
>>4087345Whose quote is that?
>>4087345I dunno why that line ass-wrangles so many people, that line makes sense even if in the context of Asgore having just gotten the figurine. Clearly Kris hasn't seen it before and is asking about it. Did he need to say "new mascot" for people to not pretend it's an issue of object permanence?
Holiday Manor Dark World isn't happening unless it's plunged into total darkness so it's pure Titan Spawn nightmare fuel, too many potential quirk chungus Darkners who need to be killed off immediately so the chapter can be serious vibes only.
>>4087345Thinking about it have we EVER entered Asgore's shop past CH1?
>>4087345He did it with the sun lamps that are implied to be the main reason the flowers are alive too, lazy fucking hack fraud.
>>4087346I didn't want Kris vs Asgore because I wanted him to have some moral dignity left on him.I wanted an amicable fight, or a reasonable Ralsei vs Asgore, or a WR vessel/soul/whatever VS Asgore to have that fucking route feature some real gameplay again, as also to make up for the Omega Asgore bait and switch the same way that happened for Mettaton NEO.
>>4087347Yes. You see a reference to a thing you have seen before and in your autistic brain this means they're the same thing. But it's not the same thing. And the things you imagine that must be the same are not actually the same. And now you're disappointed because you imagined a whole lot of bullshit that was never going to happen, all because you can't process what a reference is.
>>4087350My King!
>>4087344Personally I'm a chapter 6 shelter believer since shadow crystal bosses or a mini boss on the way to unlocking theier fight have all mentioned either the next chapters boss (queen and the titan) or subordinate of the boss (mike and blue). Pink mentions Eram(the cat walker) and Friend. Eram is in the shelter in the true game so is it a stretch to say chapter 6 is the shelter? Plus the police code as another code so there's a chance Susie already has the guitar
>>4087347That anon is an hypocritical white knight that has been shitting up any criticism against Deltarune for the past year, just give up.
>>4087356Right, so they just reference the human souls for no reason, and they aren't meant to parallel Toby's personal view of the personalities of each of the fallen humans in Undertale.Very cool, Tobias! Thanks for giving us these flowers unrelated to the fallen humans who still completely killed fallen human OC diversity anyway!
>>4087355What reason would Asgore have to fight them? This never made any sense even before chapter 5. You just want things for the sake of them happening. Like a checklist.
>>4087349>the basement has way too much shitSomehow excessive amounts of evidence = no evidence??? What???>and would be the most lively dark world of allDecember's room is going to be depressing as hell what with the darkners in there having been abandoned for years, and it being the room of a missing girl. And the basement is the basement. Also we already had a discussion, multiple times even that "not focusing on silly darkners that are also tumblr sexymen" =/= "no silly darkners"
>>4087360Ohh, you're a butthurt UTY fanboy, that explains it.
These threads aren't fun anymore.
>>4087364No, I hate UTY too because it singlehandedly killed Justice Soul diversity, after it came out everyone just started doing Clover alongside their OCs.
>>4087358The shelter is very obviously the endgame location. (TAKE 3 PHOTOS TO REACH THE OCEAN.) And any potential for the DEPTHS in chapter 6 is already covered by carol's basement playing smile.ogg, giving it a connection to the depths.
>>4087365They haven't been fun for a while with the endless doomer posting by people who feel personally attacked by a game being bad to them
>>4087365Toby shouldn't have made the entire fucking game worthless filler that doesn't matter please wait another few more years until Chapter 7, then.
>>4087370You should stop being invested in deltarune if you hate every single aspect of it. You won't though, because you have an addiction to being a whiny faggot.
>>4087370Experiencing games like this is how you become a miserable drooling retard, by the way
>>4087361>holy shit my son is being possessed by a demon>holy shit, my son started the fight for some reason >holy shit, there is an anime fighting tournament going on and my son wants a fun fight against meever heard of something called "creativity"?
>>4087367Either way I'm sure you're aware that the fallen human OCs is not really anyone cares about. Especially not when talking about Deltarune.
>>4087365Of course they are not going to be fun. Toby gave almost nothing worth talking about in the long run AND enabled some of his most obnoxious fans.
>>4087372Most games don't make you follow along an empty filler plot for almost eight fucking years promising it'll get good eventually, you just have to keep waiting for the next chapter that'll DEFINITELY, SURELY start letting the game actually be a game.
>>4087369They were fun for like a very few weeks and then discussion became really retarded somehow.
>>4087373Not making Asgore fight at all is more creative than forcing this retarded shit just for aura or whatever you zoomers play games for.
>>4087376Toby gave quite a good amount regarding chapter 6's dark world so long as you take for granted chapter 6 is in the Holiday manor. (it is.) And from its dark world you can infer quite alot about its plot.
I have already accepted I'm most likely going to hate the story of the normal route, I'm all in on the weird route. Still gonna play 6 and 7A though since they'll reveal story aspects that are relevant to the weird route, and the gameplay and music will probably still be good.
>>4087370If only it had been GOOD filler like how ch2 fags were imagining.
>>4087377You should really take my advice and stop being a whiny faggot.
>>4087331It's either that or Kris was already your red flower because of the rose animation.
>>4087377>muh 8 years!Go do something else retard.
>>4087381I expected the main story to suck since 2. I was just expecting the middle game to be worthwhile with the fun bullshit.
>>4087337They give you the exact same items that the human souls had in Undertale with sometimes the same effects.
>>4087377The game has actually been a game the entire time. You haven't liked the game you were presented and have seen it as a promise for where the game will go "soon" for eight years. You seem to be more in the wrong than the game.
>>4087379>a third fucking mad dummy fight>on the most awaited boss slot in the entire chapter
>>4087384>>4087387>it's NORMAL to be strung along for eight years! PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE even!Keep eating shit from the dog's puckered anus.
>>4087371NTA but I loved the survey program completely and also a good portion of 2.
>>4087393What would the game have to deliver in order to not be stringing you along?
>>4087365You can always leave if you feel that way.
Flowery already works as the red soul since he works in both interpretations of it being determination, and it being a combination of all the other souls traits. (Ball game)
>>4087365That's what the lack of .....Mike..... type content does.
>>4087395To stop vagueposting and actually give us basic fucking character information, like the motivations of our main protagonist and main antagonist.
>>4087393>>4087400Hello, "whiny faggot" speaking? When are you going to take my advice.
>>4087392>nooo my HYPE MOMENT and AURA!! WASTED!!!
>>4087398Flowery isn't the red soul, it's Kris, or if you really wanted a Frisk/Chara parallel that was Pink.
>>4087393>it's fine to bait UT fans for their money for 8 years straight and never deliver anything they actually wanta real fucking shame
>>4087368So does the holiday manor. The roaring seems likely to happen too. So either one of the 3(or all 3 god forbid chapter 6 is the hospital) will be done dirty. Also the focus of pacifying the flower get has makes be believe that chapter 6's enemies won't be able to be spared which fits the shelter and pure darkness since the titan spawns can't be spared either.
>>4087341I hate when people say this and reply anyway. You're not smart, you're giving a shitposter exactly what they want by replying.
>>4087393No, you'll keep doing it because you can't just go and do literally anything else.
>>4087344Because everyone has their own headcanons and we don't need to conform to yours just to satisfy your ego
>>4087406I know anon. But this one fucking retard has ruined any potential for discussion for the past entire year. The most brain dead white knight that doesn't pay attention to the shit he types here and how he contradicts himself.
I mean look at this bullshit. I'm done with these threads. See you in 2027.
>>4087345That was it being introduced, the secret boss is the payoff. You're retarded.
>>4087412See you tomorrow.
>>4087344>The Knight is definitely the Dess!
>>4087405I have no clue what the fuck you're getting at in the first half of this post.But about pacifying... Titan spawn can't be pacified. You either have to banish them or kill them, with the game not considering any real difference between the two...Also i don't think pacifying is gonna be this big focus. (nothing in the story implies this.) I think Toby just realized it was a useless mechanic and added the blueshoes to compensate.
>>4087412See you tomorrow, you know you'll be back because everywhere else is "piles of Kris's pronouns (btw you're literally committing trans genocide if you don't let me misgender Ralsei)" and you'll get banned immediately for not obeying the cult.
>>4087358blue? when was that
>>4087347My problem with Omegas is they don't seem to cost anything, just "oh yeah I guess I'll spam my ultimate attack now"
>>4087413The game he made in Hussie's basement almost alone had better foreshadowing and build up to things than when he got rich and a full team.
>>4087419It's all just the flowers playing pretend, a foreshadow to Flowery's own illusory bullshit.
>>4087412Don't forget: you're here forever.
>>4087411If stating objective truth ruins your discussion then your discussion had no reason to exist in the first place.
>>4087416>Shelter dark world existed for a while/more associated to the deepest dark>Darkners there might be more primal or titan esc compared to other darkness>That might mean they're too primal to understand mercy but can be pacified>The Orange Gloves and Blue Shoes make that easierMight be a stretch but I don't see why the game gives you those 2 tools if pacifying is usually never the best option for a fight compared to sparing
>>4087412>See you in 2027.Surely you meant 2026 December 25th, right?
>>4087427I would imagine that it's a sign that there's enemies that you cannot spare the normal way and instead will be forced to fight or pacify. Of course given the kind of people here the more likely answer you'll get is that Toby added those items for no reason at all.
>>4087424You accuse me of wanting "member berries" when the actual game did way more egregious nostalgia wank. You're a complete retard who acts holier than thou because the game kinda agreed with you a few times against the more whimsical side of the fandom.
>>4087367>it singlehandedly killed diversityGood.
>>4087415This is a complete non-sequitur. What, you're saying that the manor is the most likely candidate whos evidence lines up perfectly with everything we know about chapter 6's dark world? Wow thanks for agreeing with me.
>>4087434Yeah man, so glad we lost all the cute ballerina Integrity girls because now they all have to be ZESTY GAY NIGGAS who are in tragic yaoi relationships with Justice.
>>4087430Not sure how that'll work for the manor though guy atleast I can bullshit a reason for why with the shelter if there's going to be a lot of enemies that can't be spared to where Toby gave Blue shoves and O.Gloved those effects
>>4087377Truly the Lost of video games
>>4087381Brian Lee O'Malley should be the one to do a Deltarune comic adaptation in my honest opinion senpaimalam
You guys suck at reading.
UTYfags are mad because Chapter 5 made it so that their self-insert is gay and he canonically fucks a gay nigger instead of their furry waifu. I am not a UTYfag but I would probably be angry too if I was.
>>4087445That's not what your mother said in bed last night
>>4087446Clover x Melody shippers won bigly.
>>4087446I'm mad because the game made for free by teenagers understood what made the series fun more than the post 2021 Toby Fox
>>4087445bibliox husubandu uwu
Can anyone explain why ERAM uses Gaster's 'garbage noise' (unless he is not actually in the shelter)
>>4087446It's payback for not giving Ceroba a fluffy tail
>>4087458when?
>>4084669This guy would have a completely different opinion if he saw the average player of Deltarune. He's demanding mechanics with way more thought than the average person can handle.
>>4087427>That might mean they're too primal to understand mercy but can be pacifiedWhat does that matter anymore though? They'll just go back to bothering you the moment they wake up, all pacifying does is put them to sleep. You recruit that and you'll just destroy castle town
>Nooo saar the story is great saar barely developed secrets are kino saar self aware marvel slop humor makes me basedjak at the screen saar Toby knows best just trvst The Plan saar
>>4087432I'm accusing you of creating a problem to then cry about. You saw the flowers in chapter 1, you knew there was no red one. You imagined there will be one JUST BECAUSE there was red soul in Undertale. And then got mad at Toby because something that was never going to happen didn't happen. All because you can't separate parallels from direct relations.>the more whimsical side of the fandomIt's so whimsical to cry about "wasted opportunities" when the opportunity is actually complete nonsense that Toby apparently is obligated to do because you can't separate parallels from direct relations.
>>4087463Yes anon this is what Toby said in the last newsletter, why are you posting it here gain?
>>4087463Trvst the Plan.
>>4087460The shelter plays that iconic Gaster sound smile.ogg but slowed down by 666%I think you hear this sound in Carol's basement tooAnd this same sound is heavily implied to be what Spamton was communicating with (it's mentioned to be 'garbage noise')In Board 3 of the MANTLE game, ERAM is shown to be inside of the shelter
Honestly which dark would be harder to be nothing but vague posting instead of actual info(6 will reveal one thing only). Shelter or Manor?
>>4087412See you later today.
>YellowGODS out of fucking nowhererent-to-the-free
It's a shame we didn't get to see Kris's cactus in the dark world in Chapter 3.
>>4087446Only the fags here in particular are made, the rest are drawing Blellow like everyone else.
>>4087469Manor. Toby managed to vaguepost through the Dreemur's house and Asgore's shop, he can vaguepost through the Holidary Manor, but the Shelter is a different beast.
>>4087465Imagine if Clover (canon) never existed and card kingdom just lacked a single card suit. Wouldn't that be really fucking weird?Also, my main issue is that Mad Dummy was the lamest option possible for a secret boss at this point. Marigold the giant rat would have been better.
>>4087469>>4087476Somehow in my head "harder" transformed into "easier"
>>4087472This is super cute, actually. Imagine if Kris wants to smash but finds out her "pubic hair" is a bunch of small thorns
>>4087472Yeah, but we'll probably see Noelle's cactus in Chapter 6.
>>4087476Nah, you could vague Shelter pretty easily. Just have it only be scratching the surface during Chapter 6, and you have to leave and come back in Chapter 7 to breach into the depths proper, THEN you can finally unravel the story.
>>4087471>Chapter 5's rape victim speaking
>>4087483Ok but that's cheating, I assume going to the same location twice wasn't allowed.
Jevil won.Spamton won.ERAM won.Gerson won.Mew Mew won.Seam will win.
>>4087482>we'll probably see Noelle's cactus in Chapter 6.Kris will meet himself
So one of each. We'll be arguing all day at this rate
>>4087484>[every deltarune player] speaking???
I hope that 7B has a part where Kris and Noelle perform a slow waltz to perfectly wrap up the marriage themes of the Weird Route
>>4087477I can understand disliking Pink but I can't understand suggesting something as bizarre and unfitting as red flower in its stead. Mew Mew and Maddie at least exist in Deltarune. Red Soul as a flower doesn't, you are the red soul. It doesn't fit. All this tells me is those whimsical fans are completely fine with retarded fanservice if it's the kind of fanservice they approve of. Which also checks out because the fandom at large only wants validation instead of a story, but that's its own can of worms.
>>4087485Chapter 5 already implicated the idea of leaving a Dark World without sealing the fountain, it's not impossible to fathom.
>>4087461>vtuber playing like dogshitfork found in kitchen, more at 11.
>>4087493I hope so, too.
>>4087491Speak for yourself.
>>4087493Kinda like The Greatest Living Show when the puppeteer dances with the decapited dancer? Could work even with just the Soul/Vessel and Kris/Noelle dancing together.
>>4087487the knower gang
>>4087415This is true by the way
>>4087496Chapter 4 did it first and actually followed through since you can leave to go to castle town at the very end before fighting the titan (if you reload a completed save)All they need to do is have Susie and Kris walk in for 10 seconds, get hit with the weird darkness blasts they were getting when walking up to the knight in ch4, go "DAMN, this shit is too hard, we need to leave and rethink this" and then done, bunker world without saying a single god damn thing of substance but still saying enough that a subset of people will be convinced of something and defend this decision because of it (depths shit)
The main problem with Deltarune theorizing in 4chan is that some people do not trust Toby Fox. By this I mean that they do not trust the information that is presented by Toby. Information that is stated in one chapter is not trusted and they instead believe that it will be revealed later on that the truth was something else entirely. Under these circumstances, theorizing and agreeing on something is difficult if not impossible.
>>4087494If Asgore can have a mew mew figure hidden away in his closet, he can have a red flower too.And he FUCKING GROWS red flowers as seen in the hospital once.You're talking out of your ass to defend Robert from any criticism possible.
>>4087505>big ass picture of asgore named boss3gee I wonder how that happened
>>4087508There's also a little Flower there i don't know if you noticed it.
>>4087509>Ice Wolf directly calls Asgore "Flower Man" in case someone might have caught on that it's actually referring to the flower and not Asgoretruly unfathomable how people could start to distrust information given
>>4087499nonsense, if you didn't feel legit disgust for s*selle and/or the vagueposting you're already spiritually rapedit's unironically a raped-raped situation when dealing with Trooner 5 unless you "drowned", saw the 7B screen and called it a day
>>4087513Dang, you might be more raped than Kris at this rate. The dog owns you.
You know Kris flirts with EVERY enemy, right?
>>4087506We have seen all the 7 flowers in chapter 1. The rest of the flower shop became mob enemies. This would've happened to some red flowers if the were in the vicinity. You are telling me that to you Pink isn't important enough to be the secret boss but some random ass red flower is? Some whimsy you have.
>>4087518the dog doesn't even own his "own" videogame anymore, Trooner 5 was "owned" by his tranny team and the tranny artists that worked on it LEL
>>4087516This reminds me of a concept i've always had for a game that i don't think i have ever seen implemented.Basically have it so in your second playthrough you already know what is going to happen so you can act in advance
>>4087505The main problem is that people only want their theories and predictions to become true and nothing else.
>>4087510Holy shit he did?And fags have the nerve to say Toby isn't shoving red herrings everywhere in the game. But hey, it's the same guy who thinks predictability is something bad for a story.
>>4087516What if Susie overswung?What if Berdly wasn't in the Cyber World?What if Tenna was warned?What if the Sound of Justice didn't miss?What if Flowery beat the Knight?
>>4087522you just KNOW that line was concocted by one of his tranny devs
>>4087386Aqua would be vastly improved by keeping her the same but doubling down on her slight eldritch monster edge a bit
>>4087523>Filling the full soul rooster is the same thing as giving another fight to the ghost who already had two fights
>>4087530yeah he does lolhe says it when you're bumming around town with susie before going to noelle's, he's right outside town hall
>>4087530Yup, during Chapter 4.>Mayor ordered Ice Wolf to buy flowers... Nice business for Flower Man.
What if Dess was BETRAYED and TRAPPED in the shelter for a millennia by Kris and Asgore?
>>4087531What if Kris woke up in time for the Festival?
>>4087535>>4087536I wonder how bad things will have to get for people to finally start to call out this shit. Amazing how he learned nothing from Hussie.
>>4087527There's this little indie game from 2015 that you would just LOVE man
>>4087534>giving a fight to characters that exist in Deltarune, follow the theme of the dark world and represent player-Kris relations is bad>giving a fight to some random ass flower we've seen in the hospital that represents nothing but fanservice from another game is goodVery whimsical anon.
What if Something Changed?
What if everyone was just honest to Susie?
>>4087549Nothing changed.Because a what if is just a what if.
>>4087533No.
>>4087548>reheated Undertale nachos, poorly established theme in the LW, shit that already had been done with the big shot>filling the rainbow pattern alongside all the fan service we already got
>>4087329>>We'll have to banish NoelleThe text of the prophecy says "banish the ANGEL'S HEAVEN". If the Heaven here is Noelle's house (I don't think that this works, I bought that Noelle considers her house to be any sort of heaven), then this would probably mean it getting destroyed. Perhaps with Ralsei's Firegrave, burned down with Noelle inside.But I don't believe this. If Noelle is the Angel, then her Heaven would be a hospital dark fountain, where Rudy can survive. And banishing this Heaven would be sealing the fountain.
>>4087550If people were better to each other, the core conflict of Deltarune would not exist because Kris, Dess, Asriel and Noelle never would've had the chance to slip out and fuck around in the woods at night, as their parents would've made sure they didn't do anything stupid.
>>4087559Chapter 4 has this in its prophecy>THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILLFINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE
>>4087559That's Ralsei's truncated version. The prophecy glass implies that banishing Angel's Heaven banishes the Angel itself too.>THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILL FINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE.
>>4087554>le rainbow patternTHIS is your argument? And you're accusing me of baiting while spewing this nonsense? Get a chance!
>>4087567>>4087568In this case, I'm really not sure. Banishing Noelle would imply either killing her or some how removing her from the story otherwise. Maybe she'd meet the same fate as Dess, and find her wherever she is?
>>4087567>ITSAre we the angel? I mean, the prophesy calls the girl a she, but the angel is a "it"?
>>4087576It can't be Player Angel, there are too many desires to account for and someone's inevitably going to whine that out of all the options, none of them are "MY desire".Besides, your choices don't matter, and so far the game is giving you no way to prove otherwise.
>>4087576Noelle has too much angel symbolism to not be it, or at least a potential interpretation of it. But if it's the soul/player, getting banished and meeting its desire would probably mean finishing the game.
>>4087576>get cucked from seeing the endingYou know I can unironically see Toby doing this which is horrible. Also the existence of the sky mantle implies to me that we aren't the angel since why else would we need holy resistance against ourself?
>>4087576The only "characters" that use it's pronouns are the fallen star, the Angel and the Vessel.
>>4087571You know what I hate about you?HERE, the FOUR FUCKING CHANNEL should be the ONE PLACE in the internet we could be critical of this fucking game after 10 years of everyone else glazing it and jumping on any disagreement. But no, I can't have that EVEN HERE.
>>4087549Changed?
>>4087576The angel is a trinity of SOUL, Gaster and Noelle
>>4087581>holy resistanceAnd we know Noelle is ice, so it can't be her.
Since Toby is so keen on turning Deltarune into Mother 3, do you think he read Ágota Kristóf's Notebook Trilogy? You know, the books that heavily inspired Mother 3's story, characters and themes?It would be weird if he's copying Mother 3 without knowing about its inspirations. The decisions Itoi have made with Mother 3 reflects on what he found interesting and what he liked about the books
>>4087585Toby BROKE you.
>>4087592She has holy healing. Who's to say she can't weaponize that?
Stop posting, I told myself I would read all the posts I missed but it has been two days now and I'm still fucking late.
>>4087593I don't think Toby is the kind to read booksHis writing is too internet-brained
>>4087598Just skim them
>>4087594Toby only broke my heart. You broke my sanity here. You're the one who made me into a schizo.
>Kris being refered by they/them will clearly be some sort of plot point and not just le ebin whatever representation >...but of course the room temperature IQ Twitter crowd took it the wrong way >Toby was most likely aware of thisI appreciate the high effort shitposting, Toby.
>>4087576No, Player Angel is the theory 6 will kill off.
>>4087597I guess for similar reasons that Ralsei doesn't weaponize his own holy healing abilities
>>4087600yeah webcomics are definitely more of his thing
>>4087607lol
https://youtu.be/oyEdT1z-7WU
>>4087516>>4087616Just finished watching this. Pretty damn good, as expected from this guy.
>>4087601Nah, i'll make it
>>4087531What if Dess didn't groom Kris?
>>4087568>>THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILL FINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE.The only answer I've ever come across that makes this make any sense is>Normal: Angel is (You), your desire is a good ending. You being ejected from the game is required for the happy ever after, which means you dont get to see it but it does happen>Weird: Angel is now Noelle, her desire was being an Angel so it's circular, her being Banished (Used up) cements her as the Angel of the storyThe weird version might not happen now but Im still betting on the normal route interpretation
>>4087585Your criticism in the end boiled down to "we didn't get a full rainbow pattern" and you expect anyone to take it seriously and not challenge it at all? I'm not glazing the game, I'm pointing out a stupid opinion.
>>4084572That clip is always taken out of context and he wasn't even talking about his game at first when he said this. Also Fox pulled out because of the trans controversy.
>>4087629>Also Fox pulled out because of the trans controversy.qrd?
>>4087629>Also Fox pulled out because of the trans controversy.wasn't it just the general controversy behind yiik with the iwata grave and the "plagiarism" allegations?toby just was "hey check out this game I made music for it but didn't play it yet", but then the controversy happened and he quietly deleted the tweet
>>4087629toby abandons the yiik devs because of some controversy but sticks around with omocat and hussie?
>>4087581>You know I can unironically see Toby doing this which is horrible.Literally all you'd need to do to back it up is point at Mother 3's ending. He's going to do the same shit, the final part of the game is a completely black screen that just has a bunch of "Trust me we're good now" text floating around, down to including the doorknob somewhere in his ending because he cant help himself
>>4087635The Iwata grave was more general clownery, the real heat that YIIK got was basing a character off of Elisa Lam, even down to having her disappearance take place in an elevator.
>>4087634YIIK's first controversy was because of the name your friends segment because the game asks you what was the name your parents gave you.>>4087635The trans controversy was the first big issue for YIIK then it snowballed.>>4087636Hussie owns Toby and Omocat is a woman so nobody cares about her being a blatant and public shotacon.
>>4087640>the real heat that YIIK got was basing a character off of Elisa Lam, even down to having her disappearance take place in an elevator.No no, thats still giving him too much credit. What you said is correct but thats not why it was hated, if the story ended there then whatever a little weird using a real person for that but it could be taken seriously. The real issue comes from the fact shes the LOVE INTEREST/DAMSEL IN DISTRESS for the AUTHOR-INSERT of the story. And then a few other shit cherries on top you'll notice through actually playing, like how he gave her quirky speech shit and a funny cat sidekick, or how he specifically made her character's element WATER
>>4087637imagine how cool itd be toby subverted that and all of the "trust me senpai we're good you can just leave" shit is actually bait and leaving makes the characters shrivel up and die off-screen so if you ever go back into the game you'll see them all dead with eram laughing at you for being so gullible
>>4087644She isn't a love interest for the author insert. The point of Alex falling in love with Semi is to point out how people were doing the same shit to elisa lam. This is even hammered home in the onism thread about her in the game.
>>4087647Then why did it have to be "Literally me, the author" falling in love with a real dead girl? Even if the point is that's not okay, why PERSONALLY take the heat?
>>4087643KWAB. I can’t believe Toby is a nornalfag to the point of caring about this kind of shit.
>>4087647The Semi that Alex interacts with is implied to be a complete figment of his schizo imagination even, especially in the IV update where she's the only character who outright invades his inner monologues that now take the form of a slam poetry session.
>>4087627Go back in the thread and address the game explicitly calling Asgore the "flower man" previously.
>>4087649Alex isn't an author self insert though anon. That was misconstrued through someone who cosplayed as alex then assumed it was the actual dev.
>>4087644Also unrelated but I have an excuse to bring it up now, similiar thing happened in the first Persona game, one of the writers Tadashi Satomi wrote himself in as a side character who's explictly dating the protag of SMT If..., Tamaki. Both of them are high schoolers in game, and Tamaki is based on a real life model that Tadashi fancied
>>4087657People don't shit on dingagling for making lisa the first being based on an ex girlfriend of his.
>>4087654Why would I argue against something I agree with? I'm not that much of a contrarian yet. My argument was against wanting the red flower fight because I think it genuinely was a lukewarm concept that exists for the sake of existing, no matter how insignificant Pink was.
>>4087663flowery and Ralsei was blatant enemies to lovers yaoi bait and it fucking failed lmao
>>4087659People just shit on Y2K because it’s an easy target. It’s by far one of the most misunderstood games of all time, it’ll be praised as a masterpiece 5 years from now.
>>4087666Big loss for the fags I guess.
>>4087411That doesn't take away from the point that the only ACTion that makes them eventually go away is not to engage.>>4087432Like here where you could have just let the boringly vitriolic comment slide and not pay attention to it.
>>4087665>referencing a previous avatar character in a fight that explores the player vs avatar conflict is more lukewarm that a possessed doll we already foughtI want a 19 page essay defending your position on this, due Friday.
>>4087422>It's all just playing pretendYeah... That's our Deltarune...
>>4087422That's literally what dark worlds are
>>4087684Yes, but they understand this better than most Lightners and all the Darkners, whether the flowers realize it or not.
>>4087666It didn't fail in nippon where it matters
>>4087679In which way would a completely random red flower reference our Vessel? This makes no sense. The red soul is the player, it has no conflict with the Vessel. But let's imagine for a second you're a dumbfuckass bitch who thinks he can bring Undertale here and agree that he just wants cheap fanservice of his preferred taste. What's the conflict between your red soul in Deltarune and Chara or Frisk from Undertale? And how would a completely random fuckass red flower represent that? This is complete nonsense no matter how you look at it.
>>4087678You know what, I changed my mind. The reason the fag is still here is barely anyone bothers to call him out. The coward could bother showing up in the post 5 release threads because he knows he'd be eaten alive since that's when the non regulars come to talk.
>>4087691I don't know, why Asgore's wedding bouquet just happens to feature flowers who patterns themselves after the fallen humans' items and their ball game traits and omega attacks?I want an explanation to that from you. Either watsonian or doylian.
>>4087691>The red soul is the playerUnconfirmed. There are moments where it acts without any prompting from you or Kris, he's able to disconnect (You) from the game so he can enter the Shelter while still having his soul inside him, and he's been abusing it since before you first started controlling him, given Toriel has evidently stopped giving a fuck about the obvious bloodstain in the bedroom.
We're not going to do third entity again.
>>4087697yeahwe should start up fourth entity instead
>>4087697Then why doesn't Kris just use his "disconnect player from the game" powers all the time, every time, so he doesn't have to deal with the invasive parasite hijacking his life? Why does he ONLY do it at the end of Chapter 3?
>>40876984rd entity >>4087697Hometown massacre just came back from the dead, might as well enjoy the theory nostalgia
>>4087699I think that might be Gaster doing the disconnecting
>>4087702He would've let us know that was him. He's not one to act unannounced, even without dialogue he makes it extremely clear it's him, like cooperating with Annoying Dog to set up the contrived Hometown traffic jam full of Goner Cars and overseen by one of his followers.
>>4087702No? Kris literally removed the SOUL to stay up eating Toriel's pie at the end of ch1. The only reason I think Kris doesn't do it during the WR is because they like it deep down, just like ERAM said.
>>4087707He wasn't just eating pie, he was moving and plotting like a motherfucker, making backdoor deals and setting up the circumstances for future Dark Worlds.
>>4087709But the pie was the important part.
>>4087710Greedy whore...
>>4087694Because it's a reference. Deltarune is a parallel story to Undertale. But here's the thing, parallel means no direct crossover. The things in both games may look the same but they have different context. In the case of flowers, the items and attacks are a reference, but flowers are not human souls. Their humanization is completely disconnected from dead kids of Undertale. And Pink echoes those circumstances. She as a character is a reference but her situation is different in this game, as in it's not "she's from Undertale", it reflects the flowers: Pink's body became Darkner and for a moment Maddie experienced what it's like to BE the thing it is possessing. This temporary realization of Maddie's desire and will created their Shadow Crystal, a broken dream of freedom only possible in a pretend world. Here comes the player allegory too. It's not that Kris should trust (you) or the other way around, it's that you both are retards who drag each other in different directions because you both consider each other retards and just means to your ends. But that's obviously not gonna fly when shit hits the fan. In Light world Pink can possibly be taken to Castle Town so this probably isn't even the last we'll see of her and I'm personally of opinion that Mantle's singing cat is her, we'll just be fighting her again at some point. She'd probably want to defend Castle Town to the end since the Dark world is where she's the happiest.It's the same story for Asgore. To me it seems unreasonable to think that Deltarune's Asgore would have any desire to mercilessly fight anyone. We find him at a low point of his mundane life, we know he's irresponsible and his head is all in the past. Him understanding his flaws in ch5 through the actions of others and getting what he wanted but not needed is more development than he ever got in either games. But of course it's not hype enough, right?tl;dr the characters are references but their usage is different from Undertale.
>>4087717>Him understanding his flaws in ch5 through the actions of others and getting what he wanted but not needed is more development than he ever got in either games.Doesn't matter if he just gets kidnapped five seconds later, completely undoing that development because now his retard brain is gonna go "HOLY SHIT IT'S THEM!!!!! THE BASTARD WHO CAUSED THAT HORRIBLE DAY, AND NOW THEY'RE AFTER ME!!!!!! I LET MY FUCKING GUARD DOWN, DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!"
>>4087719We don't know that yet, hell we don't even know what happens to the kidnapped people. But actually if they're just put in a Dark world inside and that's it, imagine what a pissed off Asgore and Undyne combo could do unsupervised.
>>4087717>drag each other in different directions because you both consider each other retards and just means to your endsWell excuse me for going in the one direction the game allowed me to go
>>4087707>chapter 7B comes out>Noelle gains godlike powers and begins freezing both the Dark and Light Worlds>everyone slowly freezes to death>Noelle takes the SOUL from Kris chest, freezes it and put is back inside Kris>We can no longer control Kris>Kris has been miserable up until this point, but then they begin to smile>Noelle and Kris hold hands, music plays>they dance as the screen fades to white and then the game freezesPure kino
>>4087724You can simply not choose to drink all the water in the pool.
>>4087722There's certainly time enough for him to be seething while Flowery's trying to rescue him.
>>4087725
>>4087691Pink (body) and Pink (ghost) already represent Frisk and Chara anyways, plus the aborted weird route description implies Kris is the red flower, too.
>>4087700Hometown Massacre was a thing since board 3 came out.
>>4087731When he made berdly into a cuck that tells you to vote for suselle, Toby chose to make the game suck
>>4087736Krisoul is superior anyways.
>>4087725Krisellefags have a DISTORTED view of the weird route.
>>4087731I want to see what this guy will say when chapter 7 is out and nothing is explained and the ending sucks ass
>>4087731Who the fuck is Jessica and why should I care about her opinion?
>>4087739Im not voting for suselle
>>4087725im a krisellefag too but this would suck ass if it was the real chapter 7B
>>4087739>masturbation is superiorWhat a virgin
So could you make a darkner out of a human?
>>4087725okay but where does the used up part come in
>>4087725If I didn't know better I would genuinely believe this was a tongue in cheek post made to parody krisellefags's expectations of 7B
>>4087439>we lost (a bunch of the same thing)Oh so there was no diversity
>Omega Flowey is Omega because he's absorbed souls that give him a massive boost in power that makes him a time and reality god>Omega flowers go Omega which means...their attack gets a little biggerI could see this being a critique of how some franchises make absolutely tone deaf references that completely lack the context which made the referenced thing memorable, but it's played straight and turns into a tone deaf reference itself. Just a missed opportunity like a lot of ch5.
>>4087759Only Flowery goes Omega though? the others (except for Blue) just use their "Omega" attack
>>4087749You probably could make one of Kris' soulless husk. I guess it would be more like a planter in that case though, having a hidden ego of its own take shape in the Dark world.
>>4087461Well that's the last time I criticize God of War fans.
>>4087759>I could see this being a critique of how some franchises make absolutely tone deaf references that completely lack the context which made the referenced thing memorable>but it's played straight and turns into a tone deaf reference itself.how the fuck do you expect this critique to seamlessly happen in the middle of the fight, no less in the middle of the platformer jump and shoot section of it?
>>4087461Did he just forget he has an attack button or what?
>>4087472It would be a goofy goobler that looks completely unfuckable, not this yeeyee-ass generic waifu
>>4087761yellow doesn't use his omega either, like, Yellow and Blue are the only outliers (aside from Pink who doesn't have an Omega for the simple understandable fact that she's not a real flower) and Toby COULD have potentially added a Blue omega in the patch where he dealt with the "kill yellow crash" patch but he opted to make Blue heal him up anyways
>>4087482>cactusIs that what kids are calling it these days?
>>4087768Yellow doesn't outright pull out an Omega attack during their fight but he at the very least DOES have that giant gun bullet pattern right before you meet him that acts a lot like it
>>4087461This has to be on purpose right? Genuinely how to you get that far and not know to hit attack?
>>4087494>bizarre and unfittingYeah, totally unfitting for the Flower Kingdom
>>4087735And that is just a little over a year ago. Hometown massacre lives for 3 years then died in 2021 only to come back now.
>>4087505>there are different people with different opinionsWhat the fuck, can we ban these cretins?
>>4087461doesnt the game have a gorillion checks in the platformer sections where Ralsei tells you to press X or Z or C if you suck too hard?
>>4087516>What if Tenna was SET FREE and SUPPORTED?
>>4087774Hell yeah! They shit up our discussion about the main characters! How awful!
>>4087725>Pure kinoHey, you should have let me say it!I'm still of the opinion that, while kino and romantic, it's a desolate ending, having to destroy the world so those two can finally live together, alone. As foreshadowed by the Pippins in chapter 3, it's barely better than the catastrophe at the end of the normal route.The solution of the riddle of Deltarune's tragedy must lie outside Deltarune, for the tragedy would only vanish together with the game. Noelle has the right intuition with her plan to go to the other side in order to gain freedom, she's mistaken on the means to achieve it. One can only get so powerful up to the point of being able to destroy your own world, but not break the barrier with the outside, Undertale's genocide ending shows exactly that. It is still a cage, and an empty one at that.Did you see how Hometown look like it's been isolated from the rest of the World? How it seems impossible for Asriel to come back from another city? How ludicrous it sounds for Noelle to feel captive while she's almost done with high school? How stupid Kris looks for sticking to his self-destructive scheming? How delusional and egoistical Susie stays despite having found a best buddy with Kris and a lover with Noelle? Hometown is a prison for them because they all deluded themselves into thinking it was a prison. That's why the tragedy will happen again and again. Freedom actually begins in the mind, by self-actualization. Only then will they find their way out of the bottle and will their world be opened again. This is your mission as the SOUL, to lead them to this state of mind. Toby is very clear on this subject: he considers his games as a kind of "mental medicine". Why wouldn't the player be a therapist for the main characters of the game they're in?
>>4087552Literally me after reading your response: "Uh...yeah, though?"
>>4087697The third entity was promised to us three chapters ago and must be built.
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>>4087731This is definitely one of the most Deltarune images of all time.
>>4087461>>4087771streamers should not be accounted for when speaking about the general audience's skill, they're usually either, baiting, too busy reading chat or saying "OMG randomfuckasshat gave me D$69 shoutout to randomfuckasshat" to focus on the dialogue or actual game (this always happens on the most critical deltarune moments where you want to see their reactions and they either X and Z past it or don't actually say anything in relation to it and it fucking sucks), or asking really dumb shit that was answered 500 times by the point they made the question, their situation of having to ADHD attention span the fuck out of deltarune and the chat makes it so that their theories or skills are worthless due to the field they're in, a respectable streamer would actually pay attention to the fuckin' game and actually retain the information it gives them
>>4087780Nigga we aren't a therapist we are an abuser.
>>4087785>DeletedThe Power of Wing Dings...
>>4087527like entering the shelter early?
>>4087764>how the fuck do you expect this critique to seamlessly happen in the middle of the fightI don't know but 5 is meta as fuck so I trust they'd be able to find a way
>>4087767>It would be a goofy goobler that looks completely unfuckable, not this yeeyee-ass generic waifuBut, anon, Kris's cactus must be related to Noelle in some way, just as Noelle's cactus is related to Kris. They probably got these cacti when they were kids and named them after each other.
dough
>>4087775Toby "dumbing down his platformer for people who don't play platformers" Fox didn't realize players could be so stupid they'd forget about the mechanic they've been playing with the entire chapter
>>4087788You say that, but there's a female streamer who took the most time possible ever schizo-ing out on her own theories, took the game at perhaps the slowest pace I've seen anybody take outside of Jaru, and still died multiple times to the tower climb for Flowery's fight. I'll repeat, the TOWER CLIMB.She was 100% focused, not reading chat, and had gotten there multiple times, and still failed to get past it. This particular attempt has her intentionally die at the end because she was getting that embarrased that she was fucking that part up so often.
>>4087796>Kris' cactus loves him and gets depressed if you flirt with the watercooler>its weapon becomes the default one if you start from Chapter 4>Kris gets passive aggressive once he learned Noelle's cactus, originally named "Krismas", got renamed "Tsun-Tsun" by Berdley>one of the Pippins has this very interesting line "Sometimes you have to push away your loved ones" in reference to Kris' cactus
>>4087461>>4087803Holy fuck. Women are such retarded creatures.
>>4087790Maybe you are. And maybe I'm not. I don't see a way to prevent a tragedy by violence. Nor by subverting the prophecy. Nor by following it blindly.
>>4087785Undertale? What's that? I'm a Deltarune let's play fan.
>>4087808But I don't want to prevent a tragedy, I want to be the one to cause it.
>>4087803WHAT THE FUCK DUDE I WAS PRESSING THE BUTTONS
>>4087803she schizopilled herself too hard and thought that playing the game would result in a bad ending sometimes her ramblings can be impressive as she managed to nail a couple of things before getting to them, can't remember what but it was 3&4 stuff she also clocked that susie isn't the second hero and that kris isn't the cage she's a half step away from second hero kris, if she finds out about the princess ribbon description i'm certain she'll at least comment on it
>>4087803hm, it sounds like she falls within the baiting category then, you can literally see her fail to hold Z long enough or pressing left when she's about to jump repeatedly then see her hold Z for a billion years when she's about to jump towards the rising spikes
>>4087811Well, you're in luck then. It's more likely to happen on both sides of the story than my philosophical fantasy.
>>4087747(You) aren't Kris though.
>>4087796>Kriselle cactus theoryHas this fandom gone too far?
>>4087814Everything is bait when you have hope in humanity. Believe me, she is just that bad.
>>4087798Normelle has woman autismWeirdelle has benign BPD that lets her actually love a person
>>4087785I downloaded this, it better not be dolphin porn
>>4087811if my "twisted sword unlocks bad guy route where kris helps the knight win with you helping them do it due to kris having more control over themselves" theory is correct, you'll be able to help cause a tragedy
>>4087781No.
>>4087819nah, the actions seem too specific, she was prob baiting so she could get more attention through "omg look at how bad she is!!" reactions
>>4087803I will never understand how Deltarune is a game about videogames full of videogame inspirations but has to be designed around accounting for the player who can't play videogames.
>>4087818No. There's nothing weird about this theory. Noelle literally has the exact same cactus in her room, only it's called Krismas. Also this >>4087804>one of the Pippins has this very interesting line "Sometimes you have to push away your loved ones" in reference to Kris' cactusIt fits perfectly with Kris deliberately distancing himself from Noelle.
>>4087823Someone needs to make a potential meme about the twisted sword/route at this point.
>>4087825If you can sit through all her streams and still believe she's baiting, I'll entrust you with humanity's hopehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKFKsdrjimII
>>4087828The Twisted Route only knows how to steal from Side B and nothing else.
>>4087826because having traditional difficulty options wouldn't be meta enough or whatever
>>4087827>Noelle literally has the exact same cactus in her room, only it's called Krismas.
>>4087828it's not as if the weird route has been anything beyond a potential route so far (and will stay that way when 6 comes out) but /v/ cums their pants with cutscenes anyway
>>4087826This is one of the few things I'm willing to say is Toby being flatly retarded. He's willing to lose potential players in so many categories, but not filter them with general difficulty?
>>4087831later, but it IS a valid strategy in that it gets people to watch her streams
>>4087835At least Side B has the promise of an extra large Chapter all to itself meanwhile Twisted doesn't even have a cutscene about it.
>>4087531>What if Susie overswung?I liked one, mainly because I'm interested in the "what if" of Kris and Noelle going into the Dark World together instead of Kris and Susie.
>>4087836That is on of the few things I'm willing to say is Toby being a business genius. Hard gameplay would only drive away a lot of the potential fanbase, and thus word of mouth advertising, then he just has to make a single bonus hard fight per chapter to please his waku waku fans.See how many people left Silksong for not being able to git gud.
>>4087835At least weird route is a thing that exists, meanwhile we're 5/7ths of the way through and we don't know if there's a third route yet. It's THE potential route.
>>4087842>an extra large Chapter2 was called the largest chapter years ago. Even if that might not be the case, I wouldn't hype up for anything bigger than that.
>>40878476 will be the make or break it moment for twisted fags, weird fags will get nothing this time.
>>4087844Silksong was a fantastic game and mostly filtered "people" who could barely (or couldn't!) beat Hollow Knight in the first place. Deltarune would be better if it were designed more as a fair challenge for people who had already beaten Undertale.
>>4087853different fanbase, UTDR fags don't play the games by default anyway
>want to stop thinking about deltarune>youtube subscription box is filled with music cover channels posting deltarune remixes
>>4087843great part about that what if was hanging out with noelle, too bad that ralsei prevents you from mindbraeking the doe
>>4084566>seriously entertaining any chapter 6 darkners besides the guitar in generalit would be really funny if the santa robots became monstruous darkners or something
god you guys really don't feel like discussing without a heated argument, don't you?
>>4087854I don't care for the opinions of people who don't really experience the game. Especially one like this where the way a segment feels to play is usually illustrative.
>>4087806They certainly are predictable.
>>4087834Holy shit I would punch her lights out if she did this to me
>>4087878I'm not praising the game for being like this, I'm acknowledging how Toby knows how to milk his cows dry.
>>4087881Did what? Call you a play on your name?
>>4087834Holy shit I would fuck her on the spot if she did this to me
EVERYONE STAND BACK, I AM BEGINNING TO MORBEGA!
>>4087884Yeah and with that smug teasing tone of voice.
>black person who steals, gay person who is a fairyChapter 5 is lowkey the chuddest chapter and almost nobody appreciates it for that
>>4087886YELLOW GET DOWN
>>4087890>accept what your body wants>you will never be a flowerbased toby saving our femboys from the trans menace
Kris is Dess theory
>>4087893>your body is what's most importantSuddenly all the chapter 5 hate makes sense
>>4087893toby is still pro-trans, its just that he also believes that pumping drugs on yourself is bad, meaning, he believes that trans people shouldn't damage their own bodies just to get what they want and that they should be in harmony with their bodies in order to be truly happy, this is the underlying metaphor in all of toby's trans allegories, as well as intertwining with the whole soul-body kris plot, an ending where kris abandons the soul and becomes happy because the soul is le heckin' chud is, allegorically speaking, akin to detransitioning which is too unwoke for toby, so the game will end with you making up with kris, just like how maddie learnt to respect her body's wants
https://strawpoll.com/X3nkPGp7BgE
>>4087893Pink is accepted as a flower though.
>>4087131Sparing is so damn boring man. Even if fighting just boils down to a timing game, at least you get that dopamine hit compared to just pushing the flirt button and then the spare button>Why does chapter 5 even give you weapons to increase your damage if you aren't allowed to fight most of the major bossesThat's been a problem for a long time to be fair with all these useless weapons we've been picking up. Susie's ultimate weapon she worked hard for just goes in the bin immediately since you'd rather have the magic bonus from the DevilsKnife. Toby's just trying to make a real RPG but still follow Undertale rules and it doesn't work at all
>>4087909Not by based gamers such as us.
>>4087905>toby is still pro-trans, its just that he is also a nazi terfI guess a story like DR could only come from such cognitive dissonance
>>4087910>Susie's ultimate weapon she worked hard for just goes in the bin immediately since you'd rather have the magic bonus from the DevilsKnifeAm I the only one who equipped "what felt right" for the characters and ignored all stats bonuses?
>>4087910I get the same dopamine from any win condition, fighting really isn't any more fun. Some of the acts are slightly annoying minigames at worst, but I don't see what's supposed to be boring about hitting flirt then spare over hitting fight then maybe magic -> rude buster.
>>4087909she belongs in the jar
>>4087131>Why can't I use the rpg mechanics to max out mercy faster, but I can for damage, even though I get punished for doing so in most cases? I still like the system but I wish pacifist had more strategy than "spam the best combo to beat enemies in x amount of turns" when you can't use the rpg mechanics to make the x number of turns go any lower.you get the blueshoes to make pacify free, forget ACT and Mercy, Pacifying enemies is what you should aim for
>>4087919>bluenever fucking ever
>>4087909she points out she isn't a flower and instead of reassuring they just point out they're trying to be humans anyway so it doesn't really matterKris isn't a monster but most people accept him as being part of a monster family regardless. both families just accept that their glaring outlier is different
>>4087131>>4087910Doesn't attack power also effect how much damage you do in the sidescroller? I think you're missing the flowers for the stat trees.
>>4087915i like to have fun, im aiming for a battle ralsei, healer susie, and melee noelle build, it's surprisingly fun to try to win battles like the Knight fight by refusing to attack with susie and refusing to heal with Ralsei
>>4087867Deltarune makes me angry, I can't help it.
How do (YOU) think people would react if obtaining the pure crystal completely supersedes all the content you would have gotten from an all recruits run without getting the pure crystal?
>>4087921if you complain about there being no mercy upgrades but refuse to take the alternative mercy upgrades, that's on you
>>4087927Very confused because it just makes no sense.
>>4087427I really wouldn't be surprised if ACTing doesn't work moving forwardI don't think the OrangeGloves are necessary, building up 40% TP to spare everyone isn't hard if you're already fighting. The BlueShoes however are absolutely the way to go
>>4087915Yes which is why you didn't beat the Knight.
>>4087856I hate myself too>playing Elden Ring, Bloodborne (60fps) and Cyberpunk 2077 >Brain: dude, I can't wait for Deltarune ch6>pause game/stop playing to look for new fanartFUCK
>>4087934I did, though. Once you memorize the attacks and their stronger variants, you just don't get hit or heal the rare damage you get.
>>4087929The mercy upgrade I want is a non-fatal fight option. No TP pacify is just taking away the little depth the game has.
>>4087935Anyone else has other things to look forward to? I only got silksong DLCs to wait for.
>>4087915Oh so surely you put the Shadow Mantle on Kris during the Knight fight because it's the most thematically appropriate right?I can't even see the weapons in battle, no reason why not to equip what has the best results.If I'm sparing enemies, I'll just keep rocking chapter 2's bounce blade>>4087923No people tested it, it doesn't change anything
>>4087944I did put the shadow Mantle on Kris. Kris should have the shadow Mantle
>>4087930I have this thought because Ralsei repeatedly talks about pacifism like it might change the ending and Eram insinuates that US/Kris are collecting the shadow crystals to try and change something.It makes we think that both of these "results" wont play out simultaneously.
>>4087944>Oh so surely you put the Shadow Mantle on Kris during the Knight fight because it's the most thematically appropriate right?Giving it to someone else should be criminal.
>>4087942>silksong DLCsAre you me? Same here, though I don't expect a very huge DLC. Persona 6 and F&H 2 update too, I guess.
>>4087949>I don't expect a very huge DLC. That's why it feels so dreadful. That's all I got.>Persona 6I'm allergic to persona like the plague.
>>4087948giving the mantle to kris in the weird run is smart because you'd kill susie, but not giving the mantle to susie in the normal run is retarded due to the inevitable kris betrayal and susie vs kris fight
>>4087950I used to feel the same way until I tried both P5R and P4G. It's pretty animu cringe at times, but it grows on you. The music is superb too.Avoid the fandom tho. Those lunatics from /pg/ make /utg/ look good, and I'm 100% serious.
>>4087953I can't man. I'm the sort of fucker upset with how darkners other than Ralsei and lightners other than Kris/Noelle/Susie aren't get enough attention. You can imagine why this is not my thing.
>>4087953I played 5 once or twice, and now I'll never do it again. On replay the amount of bullshit they stick inbetween any actual gameplay is nauseating, and Royal makes it even worse while making the actual gameplay a suggestion
>>4087952The only reason to give the mantle to Susie is to see the Knight monologue. Once.>but in a future chapter Kris will-Irrelevant until said chapter exists.
>>4087942Sure>New Kirby>Okami 2>A dozen or so indie games on my wishlistThen shit that's out that I'm going through one by one>SMT (started with 3 Nocturne)>Dragon Quest 8>Persona (started with 1 (yes really))>Stray Children (made by the Moon Remix RPG guy)>Momodora: Moonlit Farewell>Scott Pilgrim EXFuck it, shit I've played after Chapter 5 as well>Mina The Hollower>Endacopia>Rain World: The Watcher>Ys OriginWe all need to balance Deltarune brainrot with video game appreciation in general, lest you fall into the trap the normalfags have where they think Toby's only gimmick is being subversive.
>>4087956>Irrelevant until said chapter exists.lmao, your dumbass is going to end up getting to the kris betrayal cutscene with black shard and shadowmantle equipped on kris
imagine reloading knowing the exact moment kris betrays you and making him watch as you sell every piece of gear you have and then replacing it with spookyswords and amber cards right before it happens
>>4087959I find the concept of taking all of his stuff nanoseconds before the betrayal immersion breaking anyway.I want to fight a Kris reflecting my playthrough, not some retard with a wooden blade.
>>4087960there'll probably be some kind of flag check before the last save point from pre-kris betrayal's reveal that makes it so that you cannot unequip kris' shit (sorta like chapter 1 susie except it's definitive) just so that you can't outsmart the game so easily, make sure to always keep extra older saves on file 2 and 3 so you can get around any potential fuckery like this
>>4087963But file 2 and 3 are occupied by Weird and Twisted...
>>4087938You watched it on youtube and you had to pass your phone to your dad to have him load up the video
>>4087962>wowzers im going to give my strongesr gear to kris then refuse to give it to the people that could actually use it!!good luck dealing with the DARK type enemy fights that will come after the kris fight retard, Noelle was coded to be able to equip BlackShard for a reason
>>4087952I don't want to give Susie anything, i hate her
>>4087964anon, assuming that you're doing your first playthrough on chapter 6 or chapter 7, the other two save file slots will be empty, you can always overwrite them once you're done taking the weapon/armors off of kris (after overwriting your file 1 save file with the updated kris w/ wooden sword save file)
>>4087967then give the shadow mantle to ralsei instead or some shit
>>4087966>muh DARK enemiesIt's nothing but bonus damage. Irrelevant.>but Noelle-isn't getting the BlackShard during the first playthrough, simple as.
>>4087969Kris is the main character
>>4087960>>4087963>assuming he won't just pull his real knife out
>>4087971YOU are, stop trying to be cinematic and think ffs
>>4087973There is no ME, no one had talked to ME, no one has called ME a hero, ME doesnt get to ask questions
>>4087970ok, good luck surviving 50 million turns against the dark type enemies, cant wait to hear you guys bitching about it once chapter 6 comes around
>>4087975>hacks the black shard and 6 shadow mantles in the save editor like a boss
>>4087975>game punishing you for not literally time traveling to fight a superbosses
>>4087927That would be lame because it would make doing both pointless.
>>4087975It's okay lil bro.
>>4087971YOU are, and you will play as noelle, susie & ralsei against kris
>>4087960Toby said in the stream he won't be doing what he did with Susie back in Chapter 1, to not expect him to be consistent with it.
>>4087974Fucker we had a whole scene with Noelle about ME tf are you saying
>>4087980I ain't feeling it after the forced pacifism chapter you disingenuous fuck
It's so fun doompilling anons. I can't get enough of that rush.
>>4087982Led to nothing. All it did is make noelle want to drown herself and just skips the regular game's levels. Lighting the cartridge on fire gets the same result.
>>4087984>I doompilled the blue flower would be a maleanons I'm scared...
will anyone make the blue flower a female
>>4087986your doomfagging made Orange a girl and a rat fuck you
>>4087987Blue is perfect as he is.
>>4087984>pulls out the ol' reliable againwe are currently in phase 4, and next year it's confirmed to be phase 5 already
>>4087989You ruined the game. Get subverted
>>4087988>and a ratnah, I was hoping for plant anthros instead
So far there's no reason to do any of the secret bossesThe games easy enough and it ended with the worst one
>>4087994>anon isn't a BIG SHOTembarrassing
>>4087990has any other game ever gone past phase 2?
>>4087991I ruined it for you because Toby is my FRIEND lol
>>4087995I did them. But I have a save file where I didn't and that's the one i actually care about.
>>4087994Yeah you should give up the pure crystal sidequest bro... 100% it ends with Susie seeing her marriage with Noelle and Ralsei being revealed as a girl.
>>4087996I've heard FNAF fags are mad about something but I don't know what it is.Not a game but TADC has it's own Mike Room in one of the later episodes.
>>4088000Kys doomer. A female Noelle will marry a male Kris and a female Susie will marry a male Ralsei.
How much worse would things be if the twisted sword was just, not an option in the fusion menu right now? We wouldnt know a "Pure Crystal" exists so we'd have next to no info on why we're even getting crystals, and no TwistedSword means twisted route discussion doesnt exist.So much hope in the game relies solely on some fusion item we have no real info on
>>4088002I'm just being rational about this. How many times will Toby kick you in the balls before you wake up?
>>4088004You're a cuck and you deserve better.
>>4088005Don't mock the Side_A players too much.
>>4088006I'll mock anyone who encourages the cuckshit. They're depressing.
>>4088007They've been conditioned for it, like the deer.
>>4088003we'd get theories on the shadow crystals being important to foresee a bad event or theories saying that theyre worthless "trophies" for winning against the schizobosses
>>4088009>shadow crystals // blue checksmarks parallel theory
remember the good old days?
>>4088013All the time I'm here.
>>4088013Sorry, all Suselle>>4088014Sorry, all Mikes
>>4087984Doomposters were completely right when it came to Chapter 5, so I think we need to doompost harder to figure out what's gonna happen in Chapter 6.
>>4088020Yes sir! MIKE, GET THE- oh right lol
>>4087944>it doesn't change anythingWell that's dumb
>>4088019They're mostly Tennas you dumbass
>>4087963If that happens I'm straight up opening the save editor and changing the equipment from there.
>>4087984I don't understand the jannies in /v/. Killing the discussion is funnier and easier that way than deleting threads on sight.
>>4087960The Kris betrayal will have you play both sides with inventive to deal as much damage as possible. Like when it's Susie and Ralsei's turn, you select their actions and dodge attacks as them. When it's Kris and Noelle's turn, you select their actions and dodge as them too.
>>4087971>>4087973>>4087980Susie is the main character.
>>4087994Jevil is literally the hardest fight in any game ever and is literally impossible.
>>4088029Susie is the dragon and Noelle and Kris will kill her at the end.
>>4088029>Ralsei is made for Kris' dick>King, Queen, Tenna and most of their goons are from old playdates of Kris and Noelle/Dess>Pivotal characters to change routes are Kris and Noelle>Knight has a bajillion connections to Kris and Noelle>Kris gets the liminal egg rooms>Kris is flagged as the First Hero and a substitute Vessel>Gerson calls her a dragon directlyPure cope on your end. We're not in CH2 era anymore chief.
>>4088031Then how did I win? Am I a god among mere mortals?
>>4088013These are literally the best threads on /vrpg/. We have the best humor and even though we relentlessly shit on the game it goes without saying that it comes from a place of love. Except for the "why isn't it RPGs, Toby stole my money" guy, he's just obsessed and genuinely low IQ.
>>4088034You exploited a glitch in the game that activates the unused win flag
>>4088031Are you the woman from >>4087803?
>>4087919The problem with pacify is that spells come first before attacks in turn order.Let's say you want to do attack>attack>pacify. That won't work because Ralsei will use pacify before Kris and Susie can attack to make the enemy tired.Acting and sparing doesn't have this issue. You can go act>act>spare to clear certain enemies in one turn.
>>4087952>but not giving the mantle to susie in the normal run is retarded due to the inevitable kris betrayal and susie vs kris fightI am gonna side with Kris when that happens
>>4088042Anon we spent years hyping up Susie and preparing to support her. You're not going to switch sides because of a little date near the lake, right? You're not a petty self-inserter who enables the Chara expy, right??
>check that dess thread that was successfully archived from today>deletedwhat the fuck is wrong with these retards
>>4088045I don't know who this we is, I'm gonna side with Kris, and that's that.
>>4088050Last chance. I'm going to make your thread experience horrible if you don't fold now.
>>4088052Not changing my mind.
>>4088048This one? It was not deleted.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747211050/#q747242624
>>4088040>Let's say you want to do attack>attack>pacifythen that means i was killed and replaced by a retarded skinwalker because i'd go defend>defend>pacify for more TP at the end of the fight>You can go act>act>spare to clear certain enemies in one turn.you forgot you can only spare ONE enemy per spare
>>4088059You can spare 3 enemies per spare actually. Spare Tasque Manager and her Tasques will be auto-spared too.
after finishing castlevania SNES i cant help but to think, man utdrfags are missing out with how they never play any other game than utdr, have you anons played any other games?
>>4088056Oh it doesn't show deleted how weird, but if you click on the link that leads you to the og thread it's removed, unless somehow i'm just the only bugged or something
>>4088065Too many to count, but the zoomer equivalent to castlevania is Rain World. Good game, great atmosphere, pretty bullshit at times, never engage with the fanbase or the devs. They lean too hard on the scrimblo bimblo bullshit.
>>4088062rare exception, its not like that for most enemies
>>4088071It's like that for every enemy actually.
>>4088065Never. Undertale was my first game and Deltarune will be my last.
>>4087984It's getting samey and we aren't getting real schizo butthurt anymore.
>>4088013I want shipfags to get even more raped so no.
>>4088020Alright>Noelle won't come over to school at all>castle town walkaround will be depressing as fuck>dark world is in the town hall out of all places>snowy tundra from the cranked AC but it isn't too bad at first>shit starts going south real fast>worse than in TV World>Carol is the final boss but she learns to enjoy Susie>Rudy fucking dies anyway>Noelle only shows up in the final cutscene to wreck up everything>Roaring for chapter 7>Also you can only get the pure crystal in 7
>>4088077It's like a Big Mac, man. You know what you get when you command one, and it's still as tasteful as a Big Mac.
>>4088066I'm not seeing in the 4chan archive either, maybe jannies purged it after it archived.
The good TRUE ending.
>>4088065Play? i just watch some DeltaToks, not even full playthrough and get all the details wrongi want to replay the ds castlevania games thanks to the platform section but i'm kinda lazy
>>4088065All my knowledge comes from meme animatics.
>>4088082Outside of Carol stopping being hekkin chud and the pure crystal, the rest doesn't sound bad, not enough doomposting in your blood tbqh
>>4087909she's accepted as an honorary flower but there's no pretense that she actually is one
>>4088092Based, i literally saw some DR OOC fanart in xhitter and now i know everything about the game
>>4088059>you forgot you can only spare ONE enemy per spareNot necessarily. Like the other guy said certain mobs can be group spared.Pacify still has the issue of being way too conditional, while also being moderate risk, low reward. You can overswing because an enemy dies to Kris+Susie hitting it once. There are also certain enemies that can't be made tired and you need to use acts and mercy to spare them.For pacify to be viable option over acts you:>have to be fighting an enemy where acts will take it out in 3 turns or more>have to be an enemy that isn't immune to tired (this applies to some regular enemies, not just bosses)>is useful when certain acts cause the enemy to become tired>you aren't fighting a fight that has an act that does AoE mercyTo expand on that last one, take the mob where you fight three tasque. Yeah, you could use pacify here to take them out one at time. However, it makes way more sense to use the act that deals 100% mercy on the whole group and then spare to clear it in two turns. That's just one example but there are multiple other mobs where this is the case.It's not like the skill couldn't work. Give Ralsei a SleepMist equivalent. Give Susie a move that reduces enemy HP without KOing. Change Scythemare to a move that makes enemies tired instead of being a SleepMist copy. Pacify just feels undercooked in its current state.
>>4088094I like my quirky scrimblo darkners, this is like hell to me lmao
>>4088082Congratulations anon, you actually predicted chapter 6.
>>4087990>toby literally said 'i won' shortly after 3&4 came out in response to krusie artworkuh oh
>>4088065Nope, and you know what? There's so much "other game" variety in Deltarune that I'll never need to play another game again.
>>4088101You kinda nailed the Noelle part because that would fix the problem of making two different Noelle's entering a dark world and how she would react, so just make her show at the end lmao
>>4088065i've played a lot of games but idk how most of them related to deltarune the closest would be the mother trilogy and maybe some of the more well known rpg horror games of the late '00s, like ib, mad father, and corpse party i also want to say lisa the painful/ joyful might also be semi relevant but idk
>>4088082>Also you can only get the pure crystal in 7Fuck you. What about the golden seeds? Kris is going to use them in ch6 for sure.Will they kill themselves or poison someone else (Rudy/Susie)?
>>4087576If the Knight isn't Kriselle, then Kriselle is absolutely the angel and Susie freaks out seeing an amalgamate on the prophecy
>>4088065I play a lot of games but rarely the ones that Toby references so UT/DR is always fresh for me. Then later I learn that some stuff I liked was actually all from some other game, go "huh alright" and continue not playing those games.
>>4087908Look I want a Berdley the Respawning fight as much as the rest of em but it's gonna be Noelle's house
>>4088107I'm bummed out because I really wanted to see how Ice Shock would fare against a super boss and stuff.>>4088109A great question! For another time. (laughs)
>>4087952Oh shit I need to make sure I don't have anything good on Susie or Ralsei on my 7B save since I'll never get those items back
>>4088065currently going through TTYD and having multiple aneurisms because of>holy shit, Toby might have taken more from here than Mother 3
>>4087908I don't vote on IP loggers so add a vote for Hospital.
>>4088082That's not what doomposting is, you're describing bad things happening but it has to be more in the vein of being disappointing for the player. So like>Suselle gets a major story focus, unironic, no subversion or darker themes, just wholesome romance >there are entire Susie sections of the game where you 'stop and imagine what Susie is doing' but instead of just cutscenes it's large segments of level>Castle Town removes the tv section and adds a dance-off minigame with Blue>Pink has almost no relevance, just runs the shop with Seam>shadow crystals still won't matter until 7>story hints at things with vagueposting but with slightly less meme dialogue which means it's a le serious chapter>no answers, only more questions>the reveal isn't a reveal, it is shown to the characters but not you so all you get is their reactions and a promise for things to potentially conclude some plot points in 7>Jockington grows the beard, proving that the prophecy is the prophecy and that things will happenAnd THAT is how you fucking doompost. *drops Battat*
>>4088097The sad thing is this can basically be true because as game-playing fans we still know nothing except memes
>>4088119>spoilerThis already happened in Chapter 5. Even if you don't interact with Jockington and try to avoid him you're forced to watch him grow the beard.
>>4088110Toriel is the angel, Dess is the Knight.
>>4088119half of this already happened, get new material
>>4088121Small chance that some people thinks Dess grooming Kris is actually a plot point thanks to that art lmao
>>4088122Yeah but this time he does it again and more plot relevantly. The previous one was a fake beard that he put on out of insecurity but the feeling of having a beard caused his neck to learn how to grow a real one.
>>4088129>Jockington>being relevantThat's where you're being too hopeful. No Lightners aside from Kris, Susie and Noelle are relevant anymore. Everyone else is quirk chungus fodder, tragedy fodder for our main three, or kidnapping fodder.
>>4088127>half of this already happenedThe second half of DR is about doing the first half again but worse. It is bad writing, but the thing is that it's done on purpose so that kinshifts it into good writing.
>>4088130Seeing the real beard grow causes Susie to feel discouraged since it increases the chance of the final prophecy coming true and there will be a long scene of Noelle cheering up Susie.
You people are like a baby watch this>Rudy dead fucking corpse somehow is used to fuel for s*selle instead of a sad sceneholy shit just thinking about it boils my blood
>>4088133how about>the game calls out kriselle shipping itself as something to be ashamed of
>>4088133
>>4088132>Susie>caring about stopping the prophecy anymoreNope, she completely stopped being worried about anything in Chapter 5 even though she should've been paranoid and panicking over the possibility that Knight, a character who openly antagonizes her, a character she does not know the motives of, may or may not kidnap her new girlfriend.Susie will only grow her brain back in Chapter 7.
ok let's not talk about romance for once>mystery man shows up and gaster makes fun of you for thinking that was him
>>4088135>>the game calls out kriselle shipping itself as something to be ashamed ofthat's going to happen 7B anon, don't worry about that
>>4088135He's gonna do it. He already called (You)elle gross in the ARG, he'll use some mouthpiece in Weird Route to shame you for going against "what was always meant to be" just because you "can't let go of your own preconceived notions of things you weren't even there for."
>>4088119Blue can't be in Castle Town though.
>>4088143Back by popular demand
>>4088135Eram already said it's wrong in the arg.
>>4088142>He already called (You)elle gross in the ARGThank god for that, and he is right. Soulelle is trash. Kris deserves to be loved.
>>4088143Susie will just make the suggestion that they can bring the flowers to Castle Town "for a little while" AKA the duration of your singular visit in Chapter 6, which in turn is also how they'll fulfill the "omg Flowery lives!!!! :)" scene.Of course, Toby won't do SHIT with these characters and all the interaction potential they have with the surplus of Darkners you've recruited, and they'll be outright caricatures of their already one-note selves.
>>4088140Of course Gaster will make fun of youBECAUSE THE MAN IS GASTER OTHER HALF
>>4088140>mystery man shows up and gaster makes fun of you for thinking that was him then he explains to the soul that Kris doesn't belong in the program, you have to delete him so canon Suselle can happenNo...
>>4088149>susie on the side of the heroesah... truly a pre chapter 5 image
>>4088147Kris is like the one person in the story who doesn't deserve love. He's adopted and is the reason his parents split.
Pink will kiss everyone in Castle Town except Kris
>>4088155only if you did nicer mode
>>4088153No, the reason his parents divorced is that Kris caused THAT HORRIBLE DAY by being a retarded 12 year old who selfishly let Dess get taken by the darkness so she can be lost, and then mauled and raped forever by FRIENDs.
>>4088140people who have been paying attention have already clocked that the forgotten man and gaster may have an issue with each other
>>4088155Pink is the worst character in the game, even a kiss from Yellow or Blue would be preferable.
>>4088159It's crazy how you can play all 3 routes and still miss key info hidden in subtext and files
>>4088135I wouldn't say that is something to be ashamed because Toby non-stop keeps teasing even in normal routeBut because of the shadow crystals texts, i can see it has a couple that has consequences for happening>multiple mentions of Susie looking Kris angry>multiple mentions of Noelle being close to you
>>4088161what is wrong with Yellow (totally not Woody)?
>>4088163Most people here nowadays will dismiss any interpretations of anything you analyze because they got burned too badly by Toby deliberately falseflagging the Flower Man setup, simply out of fear of being "dabbed on" by Toby going "lol you really thought? fucking retard, WRONGGGGGGGG" again.
>>4088159it's an extremely fair reaction if the forgotten man is dr's gaster. He is literally the only one that could figure out how to fuck up his shit. Doesn't help if it's possible he's the therapist of the soul-bearer too
What moral lessons has Deltarune taught you?
>>4088171Moss can save your life.
>>4088171That if you want things to change, you have to make them changeJust uh don't take it as far as the lake scene. Still, I think I could benefit from being less passive
>>4088171our choices don't mean anything and we're going to DIE
>>4088173Exactly, one step at a time. Starting with an homemade bomb today, working up to dissolving the whole system tomorrow.
What do we think of DR's visuals unironically?
>>40881801 and 2 are meh with good ideas, 3 is fine but the mix of genres is a buff, 4 is pretty good, and 5 seriously had me stopping to look at stuff. It's extremely pretty
>>4088180should have stayed chapter 1 and 2 tier all the way through, now the animations are too detailed and I bet a lot of time is wasted on drawing all those frames, also compare the filesizes of each chapter to see the bloat
Why doesn't Susie or Catti wear bikini
>>4088153Kris has my full support. I've come to feel very protective of him. But the same goes for Noelle and I'll bring her the world if she so desires. Like Kris she has no true allies, I'll be the one to enable her worst desires.
>>4088171Everyone changes, 'cept us.
>>4088152Shippers are the only ones who hate Susie.
>>4088184>SusieTomboy>CattiInsecure about her hideously FAT body
>>4088108>corpse partyPost it.
>>4088185thiseram hasn't considered the fact I can just turn the game off and take my ass back to 7a if he tries to pull some used up vessel chara faggotry on me
>>4088189>TomboyMale coded. >Insecure about her hideously FAT bodyDiverse body type. Deltarune Toby doesn't put the women in bikini, Undertale is made woke.
>>4088108The Witch's House MV is a must-play, careful with spoilers though. Even if you do get spoiled it's still worth playing imho.
>>4088185I've been playing New Home Pregmod, but you run out of shit to do once you've captured all the kromer around you, everything for the Castle Town, and researched Immortality.Right now I'm trying to breed a 10ft minimum super-slave to transplant the soul of my clone into after I send him though every class in the schoolroom. Then I'll make him immortal and put him in charge of another vessel.
>>4088171You can manipulate and be evil with your friends as long as you want if you can play the piano really well
>>4088190ok
>>4088171Girls like it when you're better at dodging danmaku.
>>4088199Ralsei has the right idea uironically. Kris's betrayal will obviously end up being for the greater good, unless it's purely selfish and Kris only wants to save those they love and doesn't give a shit about the rest.
>>4088045Who the fuck is we. I hated Susie fron the start. From the very second I saw her and she rejected Ralsei's plea to be a hero, I hated her. She should have been replaced right then. She's the reason the castle town doesn't care about me anymore, the reason I'm never allowed to ask important questions, the reason Noelle was sidelined.
>>4088171Apparently you're gross if you want a female character to like your male character.King of ero games my ass that's not what a king of ero games would ever say.
>>4088206>male character.Berdly?
>>4088204>human character>motivations are purely human in nature who writes this shit
>>4088205That's not the narrative we were following until now, sweetie.Stay in character.
I am bored, link me some theoryslop videos to listen to while I clean the room.
>>4088207Any male character, doesn't matter. You're a piece of shit if you spew that at me and expect me to like it.
>>4088210https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TrrPvz6nHI
>>4088202Based as fuck, it's time flats be put in their place
>>4088209What narrative? The one where I'm expected to unanimously support suselle at my expense?I hated it in chapter 4 too, and they made it mandatory to beat the game.You ever consider that someone whos not gay doesn't want to be forced to watch the gay shit in his games?The premise is presented in the most childish way that i have to assume the worst, that it was written to appeal to childrenThat's called grooming, and I would never let anyone I know touch the vanilla deltarune.
>>4088216you don't remember that time toby voiced a character in a kids cartoon that introduced the concept of non binary to kids?
>>4088219No, I only watch TV for my movies.
>>4088216You were supposed to think Susie was your besto friendo and a TRUE HERO....Okay, jokes aside, the game doesn't expect you to support Suselle, otherwise it wouldn't get "confirmed" in the fake happiness chapter, nor would the main character be so uncomfortable with it, nor would that happen after the ominous "Love WILL find the Girl", et cetera.
>>4088221>Noelle...is with Susie now.>So, it's only right... to vote for both of them.This is what I think is gross. The game actually telling me to promote it at my expense.
>>4088225doesn't Berdly say this if you try to pair him up with Noelle? just don't do that lol
>>4088228It doesn't shoo away the long drawn out lake scene, two unskippable minutes where you see everything, and how it infected the castle town AND the dark world that came after with the completely unrelated darkners bringing it up unprompted.
>>4088228uhuh, berdly, the cuck, literally tells you to be a cuck too, i couldn't give a shit about his opinion
>>4088171that, apparently, you should be a cuck and bend the knee because setting boundaries with your friends instead of letting it be torn apart is considered evil and chuddy and that you were bad and wrong for choosing to say "you're infringing a huge boundary by jumping in and snatching noelle away because of your already established envy, and it'd be great if you didn't get in between noelle and me like that while pushing me away from my childhood best friend, it is toxic, shitty, and very much not a good thing to do to the very first actual friend you got to meet for more than 30 minutes every day ever since we went into a dark world together for the first time." toby hack
Remember how Susie doesn't bring up Noelle at all in chapter 3? Nah, man, this is shit, not even making Susie a dude would make it good to reward the dino for treating kris like shit after meeting his mother.
>>4088231>>4088236>guy known for making misery porn games with meta elements makes a misery porn gameYou really let yourself be fooled by Undertale, his one and only exception, huh?
>>4088236Susie didn't snatch Noelle away nigga. Noelle told Susie they aren't close and was gunning for her the entire game
>>4088240Even then, Susie is starting to push Kris out of her life because she's running out of denial with how increasingly obvious it is he's opening Dark Fountains, which in turn is causing trouble.
>>4088236anon the game makes it clear as day that kris fucking hates what's going on between susie and noelle we know for a fact that kris can outright prevent herself from speaking, yet here she has to throw herself into the water to stop herself instead of not opening her mouth or biting into her hand againshe wants to say it, she can't stop herself from saying it when selected, but knows that it would make everything worseso she forces herself into the water to stop
>>4087663DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR SOUND POSTSYou saved it on a phone, it replaced "%2F" with "_2F".
>>4088239I thought it was a heartfelt tale of humor and friendship.
>>4088238>treating kris like shitNever happened.
>>4088241Kris makes almost no effort to hang out with Susie, he's an emotional starfish that just lays there and lets his friends do all the heavy lifting aside from dark world business
>>4088243If it's making it clear that it sucks, don't force me to watch.
>>4088251But then you won't know Kris's suffering, because the game can't show you his suffering since childhood directly until Chapter 7. Thus, his suffering must be substituted with being put into the cuck chair while Suselle scenes play out.
>>4088247Something I've noticed is Deltarune fans convince themselves of a headcanon and then become completely mindbroken when reality sets in.
>>4088248Remember when Susie tried to bite his face off after getting caught eating school property. I do.If some gorilla of a student tried that on me when i was in school, I'd tell someone and no one would see that student again
>>4088171My "contribution" to most games is a sham, but that doesn't mean nothing I do in a game matters, it means what's real (and thus, what matters) is my experience with the gameplay and the story. Usually experiencing the gameplay more fully involves more demanding play, just like experiencing the story more fully involves more demanding thought.I admit I already felt vaguely like this before I ever touched Deltarune but it's helped me hammer out exactly how I feel much more accurately.
Susie x Noelle really is the gift that keeps on giving.
>>4088254She tried to say sorry in Chapter 5
>>4088252Sounds like a shit game that shouldn't have been sold to kids.
>>4088254>tried toFor someone who spends so much time hating her, you really don't understand Susie's character
>>4088253No, that's literally what the trailer for Deltarune on Steam says the game is, within its first five seconds.
>>4088247What the fuck led you to think that? The most obviously editorialized prophecy known to man?
>>4088241Regardless Noelle is the one just tugging on peoples strings.She'll talk about the good old days with Kris but is fine with turning around right to Susie and telling her that what she and Kris had was "forced."Even on the weird route, she still goes to the festival with Susie and all that before talking about how "interesting" Kris is and that they should fuck off.Like if Noelle's job was to be SO irresistible that people assumed Susie bullied Kris out his relationship with Noelle despite her saying in the PREVIOUS chapter that she didn't even know they were close until yesterday than Toby knocked her out of the fucking park. Anything she says is excused cause your Doe wife would never betray you
>>4088256I wonder if people would talk about Deltarune as much without it. No "ally representation". No cuckholding. Lesser shipping wars.
>>4088258Deltarune is Rated T for Teen, objectively NOT for kids.
>>4088263>our Doe wife would never betray youShe's leaking just by being near Susie, bro. It's already over.
>>4088257Yeah, the monkey also tried saying sorry when he realized there were gonna be consequences. Don't care. You behave in school, like a person, not like some dumb ape.
>>4088240it's clear that Noelle still has feelings for Kris but toby made Kris too much of a cuck to swing towards either girl.>>4088243>but knows that it would make everything worseoh, sorry, how is setting boundaries making everything worse? is that what toby thinks? that if you don't let yourself get kicked around then discarded like Susie did to Kris then everything gets worse? then toby can go fuck himself, i will not play along with his cuck route, i WILL shoot for the Kriselle path, the """"forbidden"""" path that toby made to try to call Kriselle le heckin' evilerino
>>4088258Deltarune is rated T for Teen and may even get up to M with chapters 6 and 7. It is only "sold to children" by the same virtue that anime is "sold to children"- by retarded boomer generalizations about how entire mediums or brands should be for children exclusively.
>>4088267You sound almost racist when talking about Suz. Don't you want to go back to Krusie days? When she had the mandate of heaven and could do no wrong?
>>4088264No ship shit would 100 percent improve the game. >>4088270Never cared about Krusie and I always hated this character.
>>4088254She literally tries to apologize if you interact with the locker in Chapter 5 but Kris ruins the moment by basically saying "that gave me a boner actually, can you do it again?"
>>4088257ah, yes, saying sorry after admitting you told a kid that his mother wouldn't miss him if he was gone then threatening to kill him all because you were jealous of their relationship with noelle only to swing back to stealing Noelle from him while he still watches, truly showing that you're totally "sorry"
>>4088265>>4088269Teens are merely big children. Rate the whole thing M after all this unavoidable homo cuck shit that I hate. This isn't something you can show people.
>>4088266That's my POINT dude. Noelle WANTS Susie but whenever the prospect of Suselle comes out it's ALL Susie's fault but NEVER Noelle's. Nigga got everyone wrapped around her fucking fingerPeople LOVE her
>>4088275Adults are even bigger children, and you're living proof.
>>4088274>you were jealous of their relationship with noelle You know this isn't the fucking reason why do people keep saying this when Chapter 4 literally says otherwise
>>4088273He's right you know
>>4088277Show your little siblings the cuck shit or the zesty nigger in a tutu and see if you're still allowed to come over for dinner.
>>4088280I don't think it'll matter too much when modern Blue's Clues is showing the most pozzed shit imaginable, and that shit's aimed towards toddlers.
>>4088276I'd say we should kill her to free mankind of her grasp, but the game even make drowning look romantic.
>>4088282I know. That's why I pay attention exactly to what my kid watches. In case of situations like that.
>>4088276that's because noelle only wants someone strong who can pull her out of the misery of her life, so you can't blame her for being led to assume that susie could fulfill this role, she has no problem with going back to kris' arms, the problem is with susie because she's pretty much forcing this shit to happen, she does everything, everything, and everything which is also at odds with Noelle's "becoming independant and doing shit on her own" character development because Susie carrying her around is stunting her in that regard, the fact that noelle went from telling Queen to fuck off and back to feeling like she can't do shit after hanging out with susie shows that she's a bad influence, Susie is the one corrupting Noelle, and Kris is the only path to freeing her and allowing her to grow as a self-sufficient person to be able to finally move through her dess-related trauma
>>4088282Steve is shaking his head sadly at your monkeyshines somewhere anon
>>4088285>Kris is the only path to freeing her and allowing her to grow as a self-sufficient person to be able to finally move through her dess-related traumaHmmm. Sounds like we could have had a whole game based on this concept.
>>4088278>* ... before I knew you, I>* I kinda>* I kinda thought you and Noelle were a thing.
>>4088288sounds like we do have one and it's driving the flip-side of it
>>4088285Noelle had to regress because she needs to directly rehash her Chapter 2 character arc, except these reheated nachos are going towards standing up to Carol directly instead of her quirk chungus Darkner parallel.Then Carol will be like "oh my god... noelle... you're so strong, i'm so proud of you. susie i was wrong, you're a wonderful girl, you may date my daughter" and get kidnapped.
I just want Susie to be the ride-or-die friend again.You know the feeling when your bro finally get a girl, but you're not his priority anymore and he slowly change to be more focused on her? And past all resentment for her, past all the feeling of betrayal, you want your friend back?May this be the worst we ever know. I'll keep praying for her return.
>>4088291>Susie tried to kill Kris because she wanted to take doe pussy from Kris>doesn't mention Noelle once in chapter 3Gross.
>>4088292>ch1 nothing>ch3 nothing>ch4 one significant scene and not even dark world related>ch5 noelles not even with you until the very end and the chapter just ends after 10 minutes
>>4088285>>4088288notice how reaching chapter 5 weird run and aborting the lake scene shows exclusive dialogue where Noelle doesn't like Susie as much anymore, almost as if, once she stops seeing Susie as strong and capable of pulling her out of her misery, she immediately drops all "romantic" interest in Susie
>>4088296so what you wanted feature-length cutscenes or something
>>4088291and did she say she bullied Kris for that?
>>4088278They say this because it's literally what Susie herself says in Chapter 5.What they fail to realize is that this is Susie in MAXIMUM COPE MODE, she's still reeling over the fact that her perfect fantasy of ditching her parents and moving into Kris's house to live with him under Mommy Toriel was shattered by the harsh reality that Toriel is a drunkard whore who dances and fucks the skeleton.She can't say the reason she bullied Kris is because he has a good mother and she was envious oof that, because Toriel ISN'T a good mother, but she also can't just say she bullied Kris for no reason. So her frazzled brain hastily came up with the Noelle excuse because she's a pathological revisionist who can't stand confrontation with uncomfortable truths and would rather ignore and remove any sour aspects from her life indefinitely, hence her complete refusal to go anywhere near Toriel during all of Chapter 5.
>>4088298Yes. Make Kris and Noelle the heart and soul of deltarune.
>>4088300Don't ruin my own experience to get that across.
>>4088300>she's a pathological revisionist who can't stand confrontation with uncomfortable truths and would rather ignore and remove any sour aspects from her life indefinitelyI mean...wasn't that already obvious? Even excluding the "I live in the closet now" scene, Susie already had shades of this in prior chapters.
>>4088302So you would have preferred if Susie said "yeah sorry for being a dick, i kinda did that for literally no reason, idk" in that scene, making her out to be pure malice who needs no justification, she simply is?
>>4088299considering that the only other stuff she knew about kris at that time was the obvious family relations and that they use apple shampoo, it doesn't leave many reasons for why else she would bring this up if it didn't mean anything, especially when Susie literally sounds like an envious bitch after saying she thought kris and noelle were a thing:* ... before I knew you, I* I kinda* I kinda thought you and Noelle were a thing.* ... and I know... that's not true, right?* I mean, she likes... me.* ... so why does she have to talk to you alone?* Why can't either of you tell me what it's about?* Why was she excited, and you were...
>>4088300You'd think that'd come to mind more considering Susie focused on Kris's mom both at the start AND in the sweepstakes. Not a peep of Noelle when shitting on Kris
>>4088303Yes, but we didn't know she was THIS bad about it.>>4088306It's not like the omniscient narrator lets us peer into Susie's thoughts very often, because knowing anything about the inner machinations of Susie's mind that aren't for jokes could spoil what her real deal is before Chapter 7, as the game can't let ANYTHING happen until Chapter 7.
>>4088300>So her frazzled brainThat's the big problem with chapter 5She doesn't seem frazzled. At all.You'd think if she were going through a crisis it would show. She'd be a bit too eager for everything to work out and snap easily when it doesn't.If you handed someone chapter 5 and had them play it without the previous chapters though, you'd have no reason to think that a lot of horrible stuff had happened to her recently. Susie seems completely sane and genuinely happy
>>4088308it's probably going to be really important that we're allowed to read noelle's mind
>>4088308You admit you could literally boot up chapter 7 and get the same experience.
>>4088308>Yes, but we didn't know she was THIS bad about it.To be fair, she's practically groomed by the whole setting.
>>4088300what a stretch>"oh no, she totally didn't mean to imply that she bullied kris because she thought kris had a thing with noelle!!! she actually couldn't simply say "sorry kris i bullied you 'cause i thought you had a great mother and i was envious of that." for some reason!!"
>>4088311Yeah? Because Toby himself admitted it. Entire game is filler aside from Shadow Crystals, Eggs and All Recruits, and the "one thing" clarified in Chapter 6. The game isn't allowed to REALLY begin until Chapter 7, then the story and all of its core fundamentals like the motivations of our protagonist and antagonist can finally be brought to light.
>>4088310...How many character can we mind read anyway? I never thought about this before, but Noelle usually say one thing before going into pensive monologues. Do we similar things from Ralsei? Susie? Tenna?
>>4088304I would have preferred if Noelle told toriel or Carol about what she did to kris.
>>4088314people here will breathlessly argue an entire vidja game is filler because the ending has a big reveal and that's adorable
>>4088315anybody who says shit in parentheses is you reading their minds, which includes susie too
>>4088315to my memory noelle is the only character we literally mind-read, every other character speaking in parenthesis is whispering to kris or stage-whisperingkris also seems aware of noelle's mind-reading going by ch.4 weird
>>4088314That's a bad game. He made a bad game.
>>4088313>for some reasonShe doesn't want to look like a retard by saying she's jealous of Kris for having a good mother when he doesn't have a good mother, something she now knows after watching the drunkard whore dance with Sans and then fuck loudly and obnoxiously enough that she had to bang on the door and say "SHUT THE FUCK UP" because she knew Kris was dying in there from hearing it.She ALSO doesn't want to look like a cruel devil by saying "yeah i bullied you for no reason, lol sorry", she needed a justification to give herself sympathy points. So she latched onto this sudden new idea that her envy was ACTUALLY because of Noelle, even though we've known since Chapter 1 that Susie's bullying was firmly linked to her envy of Kris being Toriel's child, when she literally stops herself from killing him because she doesn't want to make Toriel mourn her son.
>>4088315A few, but Noelle is the one we hear from the most. Everyone else it's mostly just for small remarks or gags that never get as in-depth as Noelle's thoughts.
>>4088320I'm pretty sure we mindread the gay lizard whose name I've forgotten during the Church scene to figure out what kind of drink she likes
>>4088326alphys is an autistic weeb, i kinda took that one as her muttering to herself
>>4088313how the fuck is that a stretch when Susie went from>Your mom won't miss youto>I didn't know you and Kris were closeto>Actually I thought you guys were a thing before we go togetherand yet refuses to sit down and actually have a talk about her jackass behavior
>>4088318No game I've ever played had its story dragging its wheels in-universe because the last level wasn't done yet.
>>4088318>AdorableFat man typing like this by the way.Anyways, one thing you realize when reading a well written book is that you can have story developments and revelations every chapter. Games usually don't have this because they have shit writers, and somehow Toby foxholed the story into being like this.
>>4088323>She doesn't want to look like a retard by saying she's jealous of Kris for having a good mother when he doesn't have a good motherand she can't just admit that she didn't know that kris didn't have a good mother? despite her having a gorillion moments of her talking about personal shit with kris, she conveniently can't say that she thought kris had a good mother because it would just happen to make her seem horrid for bringing up the "i thought you and noelle were a thing" thing otherwise?
>>4088328Kris doesn't care for the fact he was bullied anyway, he plays it off as a joke because he hates himself and would rather Susie not have to apologize for treating him the way he wanted to be perceived.Sweepstakes page showed he fucking loved pushing Susie's buttons because he wanted to get her to the boiling edge to finally end his miserable life, which we almost see in Chapter 1.
>>4088265Speaking of the game's age rating, it always seemed odd that Deltarune is rated for T since the only thing that pushes for the game's rating is cussing (saying ass a lot), but that's it. It feels pretty tame in comparison to other T rated games, it doesn't help that the rape allegory got patched out too
>>4088334The cuck shit didn't do the game any favors. I would have made it M for that
>>4088334>it doesn't help that the rape allegory got patched out toothen added right back it with the most obvious sex metaphor I've ever seen
>>4088335the game should've been rated AO, actually
>>4088336>Shattered Rose - Only one knows the rose's meaningBased.
>>4088219he what
>>4088332susie can't win either way so she picks the lesser of two evils, this isn't rocket science
>>4088340Yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox6afvTMVuM
>>4088339toby patched the rose out not because he didn't want it to imply that noelle was raped, but because Toby's vision was actually Kris being raped by Noelle
>You can't even say stop like you used toDo you think he included this line just for the shock value and is now shocked at groomer Dess reappearing out of nowhere?
>>4088332Susie's extremely self-conscious about the fact she's a dense retard. She likely perceives the idea that she was wrong about Toriel to be another instance of her being too retarded to notice "obvious signs" and she's likely assuming everyone else knows how Toriel actually is and the reaction would be "it took you that long to figure it out?", making her look the retard.
>>4088333The sweepstakes also showed that Kris could get her to back off real easily just by whispering something to her.We REALLY don't know what their problem was
>>4088344He saw the moral grifters crying about Pink kissing Pink because it's "literally pedophilia" and then doubled down by adding a Hard Mode where Pink kisses Kris even more when you win. He can pretend it makes him mad, like how he pretended Bergentruck made him mad, but he's probably cackling at that shit.
>>4088341and the lesser of two evils is admitting that she bullied kris out of envy (but actually not because your scenario conveniently absolves her of the implications of this continued cucking behavior) instead of just admitting she thought something but was wrong? especially when your little scenario doesn't even explain why she would be too shy to admit that she was wrong about Toriel being a good mother when this line is in the fuckin' game:>* Kris, I... didn't realize, y'know?>* Your family's... got it rough, too.
>>4088336I'm sure Toby got away with it because most people are too busy thinking these two drowned
>>4088348toby is based on that front, at least.i bet if toby had made a nsfw game from the start instead, he would've made Pink suck Kris off
>>4088350Drowned in pleasure in Noelle's case. Her face sprites are something else.
>>4088349yeah the lesser of two evils is not admitting to your new bestie that you bullied him for a living situation and parent that you now know didn't actually apply and instead choosing to bring up jealousy over a relationship you now feel is in the bagit's optional dialogue not fucking war & peace
>>4088350Don't forget>completion asks to "insert Side B">after how good the sex was, Noelle is now literally asking for anal sex because she's a fucking FREAK like that
>>4088350people must've been mashing X and Z while refusing to read if they thought that the purpose of going into the lake was genuinely suicide
>>4088342>green skeleton piratethe memes write themselves
>>4088354>yeah the lesser of two evils is not admitting to your new bestie that you bullied him for a living situation and parent that you now know didn't actually applyand that honesty is bad because...? she apologized for the locker slam thing but she can't say she was wrong for the reasons she did it?
>>4088357Tell me about it
>>4088349I mean assuming she bullied Kris merely out of wanting Noelle also doesn't make sense either cause she herself never said or even talked like Kris had a girlfriend. It's really easy to just toss in a "your girlfriend won't miss you" or "Noelle won't miss you" but she doesn't take that path, and the fact that stays true up to Chapter 4 where she questions Noelle and Kris's relationship adds to that. that's a weird thing to "retcon" in existence especially when you could've taken out the "before I knew you line" and it would've been fine
>>4088358See>>4088345
>>4088342Groomy Fox
>>4088360>It's really easy to just toss in a "your girlfriend won't miss you" or "Noelle won't miss you" but she doesn't take that paththat's because bringing up Toriel, his mother, is far more personal than his girlfriend? and that she thought Kris' mother was good so she thought that Kris would feel more over that than the "your girlfriend won't miss you" thing?
Noelle is Kris's girlfriend
>>4088363So? Toss them both in there. If I wanna hurt you as much as possible why leave out the fact you supposedly have a significant other? That's just more salt I can rub to the wound. And Susie WOULD do that with how impulsive she is
>>4088361>>4088345that scenario doesn't make much sense considering how open she is about everything else in her life including shit like her thinking that everyone else would go to college except her, her admitting that Kris' family had it rough too (>>4088349), and even being open with other people like gerson, why would she be able to admit not realizing that kris' family had it rough too but can't admit that she didn't realize that Toriel wasn't a good mother?
>>4088364Actually she just got confessed to Susie. And she likes her back!
>>4088364She's a bad girlfriend
>>4088365that's because her lead up statements wouldn't lead to "your girlfriend won't miss you" smoothly.>"One day, your mom's gonna get sick of you, you little freak. And as soon as that happens...">Susie laughed. I felt genuinely sick.>"Someone might make you disappear. And she'll finally realize how happy she was without you."how could Susie cram "your girlfriend won't miss you" into that?
>>4088367I refuse to look at thatI made it skippable
>>4088369i mean, Susie isn't a smooth talker but either way, it doesn't have to be the same line of dialogue. it could've been something brought later or earlier or it could've chucked into start of the game where Kris and Susie were alone.
>>4087461wait you dont even have to dodge it? lmao
watch toby remove the castle town piano feature in chapter 6 for yet another one note glup shitto joke
Why the FUCK didn't Toby add vocals to Flower Man, his singing is pretty good https://youtu.be/trRCHf5Bs94?si=JHxCw_q2_UTsZWBm
>>4088377fuck you.........flower man............Im goinna give you herpeeeeessss
>>4088377apparently he didn't like the way any of the takes sounded, so he abandoned it i'm more willing to believe that he felt like it would overshadow the miku song by completely btfoing it as deltarune's big singing boss song so we're left with a mediocre miku song and a half baked chapter boss song instead of a mid miku song and what could've been the best song in the game, rivalling big shot
>>4088382I think you might be biased against Miku, mediocre is really strong language, it's catchy and fun.
>>4088369I think a decent place he could've put was right after Kris's laugh cause she was already flusteredInstead of just>"SAY SOMETHING, YOU IDIOT!!!"She could've doubled down for a bit like>"NO ONE WILL MISS YOU!!">"NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOT NOELLE, NO ONE!!"Something like that THEN proceed as normal
>>4088383i'm friends with mikuheads and they think it's pretty whatever as far as miku songs go
>>4088382>i'm more willing to believe that he felt like it would overshadow the miku song by completely btfoing it as deltarune's big singing boss songthat sounds dumber than the excuse he gave.
>>4088370b-but the loli floweraren't you a proud 4channeler?
>>4088392that comic of aqua lifting her dress to bait kris/player into akira sliding under her to look up it and getting knifed is one of the fucking funniest things i've seen for this game
>>4088386But it's better for the "Toby hates ME in particular" narrative
Toby hates ME in particular, he had to have known
>>4088396You're just generic.
So what's the message of "White Ralsei > Black Ralsei"? That stolen knock-off copy design is better than original design?..
Apparently the game is bugged where the game will think you gave Seam the fourth shadow crystal when the Terakota enemy fights youI wonder if that means you can skip getting the fourth shadow crystal and the game will just think you got it anyways
>>4088400toby is annoyed that the adhoc black ralsei that was created for ch1 to rugpull people with an asriel lookalike at the end was the more popular design than his original one (that likely directly inspired asriel) as far as we know, white ralsei came first and was always the intended design
>>4088404"Clone design" is not much better than "copy design"...
>>4088405no, and if toby realized that he would've just made black ralsei white instead of completely changing how the two of them look
>>4088400Ralsei uses the black suit when he's masking his identity. Since he struggles with the concept already, donning the white suit is easier for him.Neither are his real appearance anyway.
>>4088401Terakota's a schizoboss?
I figure I should go ahead and make my perfect save files in anticipation for chapter 6 now, just to have them readyJust gotta play through chapter 5 FOUR TIMES for pacifist/thorn ring/drowned weird/aborted ch.4Yay.....
>>4088377Flower Man is better without the cringe lyrics he wrote
>>4088364True
>>4088171That raped homosexual men can make good games, but only when aged 18-25, once they get older than 25 all they can make is woke propaganda
>>4088364We know they are both lesbians.
>>4088400toby got butthurt and decided to make hatsei seem bad through flowery and orange while preventing you from voicing your thoughts on it.never forget, that ralsei says >"OH, THERE WE GO AGAIN, THE RALSEI NEEDS A HAT THING AGAIN?"
What if Susie too is hiding something and knows more than you think, just like Ralsei and Kris
>>4088414Playing weird route thrice makes the pain of chapter 5 worth it
>>4088427That would suck because she's the audience surrogate, but at this point nothing would surprise me anymore since Toby hates his audience.Logically the only thing she would be hiding should be her backstory.
>>4088427What if the world was made of pudding.
>>4088427I genuinely think she's making shit up about her home life and backstory as she goes along to earn pity points from Kris, she already proved herself a weirdly revisionist twat by changing her motivation for bullying Kris from mom envy to Noelle envy.Nonzero chance the piano story was spun from bullshit, and she was working on that one ever since she first found out Kris plays piano and plays it real good.
>>4088430What if you sucked my dick
Any hopes and dreams for the UT anniversary?
>>4088433I want a Toby live apology stream for Chapter 5
>>4088433can it be a genocide stream
>>4088433we will get one single chapter 6 teaser which will be one sprite of burgerpants or something and that's it
>>4088437watch the players encounter a Lesser Dog-esque enemy encounter against Berdly, with toby being like "he gives like 11 exp dont bother" so the players Flee immediately and continue on with the geno route
>>4088433Has something even been confirmed?
that new kirby game is WR-coded/gnosticpilledwhat if those rumors about toby fox working on a kirby game weren't just memes..
>>4088443do elaborate, anon...
>>4088437Hope this too.
>>4088446it's nothing lol. about a week ago or so a fake leak was posted claiming that a make-a-wish kid got to play some nintendo games in development and among them was a kirby title with toby supposedly on board. the premise of the new game is about kirby escaping a fake reality and it just immediately reminded me of that.
>>4088449>Noelle don't proceed with this logic...>proceedOrders received
>>4088449aww, not a single female companion to complete the allegory
>>4088451well, about that..https://files.catbox.moe/h2xall.jpg
>>4088453fuck yeah, she seems hot too, can't wait to watch a playthrough of it (i would rather get snowgraved than to try running a switch 2 game in my shitty laptop)
>>4088454the switch 2 isn't hacked yet anyway so its not like you can emulate it
>>4088433LORE
>>4087759Of all the things about flowers this one actually made sense to me immediately. They're simply poorly imitating being human and this communicates it really well before it even is stated directly. One of the rare occasions where referencing something felt appropriate to the idea the game is introducing.
>>4088364Right now, they're soulmates in a twisted way: as long as >WE are inside Kris, Noelle is in perfect sync, according to the hammer game. When they were kids, they couldn't agree on anything ever. Not that they have to be soulmates to be in a romance, but maybe it was only ever unreciprocated.
>Pink mirrors Kris>Pink says that she needs to take in the needs of her body and accept dating Kris if the body likes himIs this implying Kris doesn't actually like Noelle romantically or what
Never forgetting Toby for making the last secret boss Mad Dummy for the third time. Does anyone genuinely care about him outside of Toby?
>>4088478I care about her.
>>4088478Kill yourself chibi.
>>4088248>>treating kris like shit>Never happenedSusie literally refuses to go to the beach with Kris because, you see, that place is now just for her and Noelle. She’s started excluding Kris from places where they can hang out. Susie doesn’t deserve Kris’s friendship, because she’s a terrible fucking friend.
Susie is a good friend :)
>>4088477Kris doesn't like Susie romantically, it was always platonic
>>4088478Yes, I like Dummy and Mew Mew.
>>4088444Suselle is so fucking retarded. It just doesn't make any sense. It hurts my brain.
I'm replaying the Suselle lake scene and for the first time I'm not angrily skipping through it and am actually trying to read itNoelle brings up Susie's heartbeat too. I've seen people say Susie's fixation on Noelle's heart was weird prophecy foreshadowing but I think it really is just cheesy lame romantic dialogue, nothing more
>>4088489>I'm replaying the Suselle lake scene and for the first time I'm not angrily skipping through it and am actually trying to read itThat's brave. I can't stand this writing. It's so fucking bad.
>>4088489At least it seems to imply every Deltarune monster has blood?
>>4088489>Deltarune fan reading the actual text in the game for the first time
>>4088489>>4088496A little more effort and maybe you'll even dare read subtext!
>>4088492It wouldn't fucking end man, they just couldn't wrap it upAnd yeah having finished it, it's clear it's just some amateur writing what they think sounds romantic. Susie bringing up it being "the best day ever" like five times isn't any kind of prophecy brainwashing, it's just the writers having no idea how else to convey romance
>>4088498I think they have conveyed Susie being a sperg who can't express her confusing feelings properly very well.
Susie is incel getting a gf for the first time representation.
>>4088498Why would Toby (because he's the only writer, stop thinking there are ghost writers, he may be influenced by others, but writing is a part he would never delegate) wrap it up if his intent is to make a cheesy and clumsy romantic scene from the start? You are making the mistake of reading the scene at surface-level.>At the Festival with The Girl>The only people that walk this path...>... are those who have their face so close to the road>they can't even see where they're going!Of course, most people will cheer at the wholesome lesbian romantic scene, so cool, so daring! But since chapter 1, Susie is forcing herself into the story. Taking the place of the second hero. Not letting you chose between her and Ralsei on branching paths in Cyber City. Defying the Knight..."LOVE finds its way to the Girl" says the prophecy? Well, Susie will turn a trip with Noelle into a romantic date. Noelle didn't even expect Susie to hold her in her arms. That wasn't supposed to happen. Noelle would like this to change for some reason, but fate refuses ("Nothing changed") until she's mindbroken to the point she'll sequence break the story.In the end I agree it's badly written romance, but not because the writer is unconsciously shit at writing romance (Toby is perfectly aware of that, don't worry), but because romance in this game IS bad, that's the whole twist of Deltarune I think, the reason why both normal and weird routes will end in tragedy.
>>4088433
>>4088433More anons crying about how Toby hates them.
>>4087823>>4087828>>4087847Is le twisted rout even real?Three savefiles, yeah, but when presenting things, the odd numbers are often more pleasing that even ones.Two or four saves would look weird on an instinctual level.
>>4088519Three like the three heroes at world's edge.
>>4088519There's probably a third route but nothing guarantees its the twisted route people are saying.
>>4088519>>4088520Save 1 (Normal Route): Kris dies (feed himself the seeds)Save 2 (Weird Route): Susie dies ("no one gets between me and Kris lole", Noelle says)Save 3 (Cut My Life Into Pieces Route): (Angel) Noelle is killed/banished to prevent Third Impact, Shin- Kris tries to choke Susie when they come back to their senses, shit's still fucked yo.
>>4088259>susies character has 0 consistency and she bends to whatever is happening around herExactly you dumb ape.
>>4088527Save 2 is the "One day they all disappeared without a trace" ending.
>>4088530Well, that's what the last shadow crystal implies. They all disappeared but Noelle and Kris.
>>4088533Kris and Noelle will disappear too.Maybe not Kris.
>>4088535>Maybe not Kris.How many suicide attempts before success?
>>4088537I'm gonna stop them everytime because only i get to torture and kill them.
>>4088538Krissoul... Not even Kressfags can rival on this level of kino toxicity.
>>4088239but chapter 2 had GOOD misery porn through the big shot
>>4088501>toby will pull a mike on his fag fans I worry for his wellbeing
>>4088544His last newsletter was foreshadowing future damage control. So many of his fans will be let down (or more) by the normal route "ending", why do you think he's putting so much effort into generating hype for 7B? and why he will release 7B at the same time as chapter 7? Chapter 6 might be the last time he will appeal to his usual crowd, but then the bait and switch will operate on full swing.Can't wait, seriously. 2029. Goddammit.
>>4088553Believe in producer sama, late 2028.
>>4088553I don't think you understand the difference. Mikefags are few and the worst thing they do is whine and making fun of him. But the fags and dykes will turn him into persona non grata if they get angry. If not try to actually hurt him.
Deboonk this Deltatrvke.
>>4088501>stop thinking there are ghost writersWhy should I? Ghost writing is incredibly common and even games that already have great writers get ghost writers assigned to them.>but writing is a part he would never delegateYeah this boils down to how despite everything you're still a toby fanboy.
>>4087593If Toby actually read books his writing would be much better and it's not even debatable
>>4088557Well, many great episodic stories ended with controversy and butthurt fans. Fortunately he's in [Unknown Place], Japan. "Catch me if you can".Between Krisellefags and just fags, who do you think is most determined to hurt Toby?But more seriously, I think once this will all be over, most people will understand that, to the question "which ship wins at the end of Deltarune?", Toby would answer "None". Yet, after a decade of development, he will need to ace the execution, otherwise he will join his butt buddy Andrew Hussie to the Hall of Disappointment.
>>4088565How many long running series landed the ending or didn't go to shit in the middle in terms of audience reception? I can only think of breaking bad.
>>4088565>Between Krisellefags and just fags, who do you think is most determined to hurt Toby?I still think the fags are the more rabid ones.
>>4088560FTM Noelle is good for the detrans porn.
>>4088108>that vn
>>4088560I hate punkitt so much it is unreal.
>>4088560ah yes the commonly known trans stereotype of growing wings and flying, always knew those damn birds were up to something
>>4088561>Yeah this boils down to how despite everything you're still a toby fanboy.I support his very "homebrew-y" approach to game development. For better or for worse, that means doing the most work within the limits of your abilities, because it makes the game YOUR game and not a faceless diluted team effort. But it also means that the bigger your game, the less consistent it will look like, because you are all writer/artist/musician/editor at the same time without a director telling you how to keep things consistent. Which is totally the case with Deltarune. At least, he has a producer now, so the pace of work is more steady.What I find funny with the ghostwriting assumption is that it is almost always used as an explanation as to why writing would suck, which would imply that Toby is just incapable to write badly. Isn't it what a fanboy would typically think?
>>4088560Why does her room have trans colors actually?
>>4088586pastel colors are still their own thing, whether the trans community pretends they own all usage of them or not
>>4088256It's funny how much it mindbreaks certain people. Can't wait for 6 and 7.
>>4088285>she does everything, everything, EVERYTHING
>>4088602What if Mikechads win over Kris shipper fags?
>>4088348Nah, I think he actually dislikes the driving in my car shit, he seems to hate reddit tier memes
>>4088350I feel like this is the most porn addicted interpretation of an event that I've ever seen.
>>4088610The horniest weird route theories are always correct.
>>4088404>(that likely directly inspired asriel)We already know from Undertale's art book Asriel’s design came from Toriel first.
>>4088323>>4088332>Toriel bad because she gets drunk on occasion and...danced one timeFucking incredible midwittery.>>4088333>finally end his miserable life, which we almost see in Chapter 1.I like how despite the whole chapter and game showing that Susie's bully persona is just an act, Susie haters have still convinced themselves that she was totally definitely going to actually eat Kris' face and wasn't just acting out and trying to scare him.
>>4088433I only expect more cute Frisk sprites at this point, I doubt we're getting anything major.
>>4088486More like he doesn't like Noelle romantically and only liked Susie instead.
>>4088519No, that's why it's the potential route.
>>4088427>what if the game fucking sucked?
The more I think about it, the more I feel like we are not gonna be able to get the Twisted Sword in 6, or if we're able to get it, it's gonna be at the very end, at a post-dark world town visit, and we won't have anything to use it on for the rest of the chapter. I just feel like, since it's part of the game's ultimate quest, the shadow crystals, then it would be strange for the payoff to be in chapter 6 instead of 7.
>>4088443Why is it that the only other games you guys play are baby games
>>4088458Explain.
>>4088482Ok. Now tell us why you think you NEED to go to the beach. Do you need to? I don't think so. You might want to, but you don't have to, and not with Susie either. Face it, nothing she's saying here is logically incorrect.
>>4088615>"I was just pretending to be an asshole!"
>>4088501>he would never delegate the coding>he would never delegate the visuals>he would never delegate the musicYOU ARE NOW HERE>he would never delegate the writing
>>4088632This is unironically the best argument for ghost writers. Music seems extremely important for Toby, and yeah he delegated a good portion of it to other people, I don't think it's ridiculous to think that he could delegate part of the writing to other people, even if it's for parts that aren't extremely important to the story.
>>4088630No, she was being an asshole. She just isn't a homicidal maniac.
>>4088625>When I became an adult I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up
>>4088637Look man if you want to watch Caillou and play Hello Kitty Racing then don't let me stop you but don't expect to ever be taken seriously either if the height of serious storytelling to you is the pink blob walking through a park and jumping on goombas
>>4088615You're really underestimate Susie's hopelessness and desperation. By her own words, she genuinely wanted to watch the world burn. The only reason she did not went pull Postal is Toriel.
>>4088634>a good portion>all re-arranged tracks he still composedBut yes, as the game becomes more bloated, collabs seem more and more common.By his 40s, Toby will only be writer/director.
>>4088641>she genuinely wanted to watch the world burnMost people who feel this way don't have the nerve to actually do it themselves though, Susie included
>>4088632>>4088634What pisses me off even more is how last year he confirmed himself HE IS STILL CODING FOR DELTARUNE for some fucking reason (the climbing gimmick).Come on, he is an artist known for being a shit programmer AND he has fucked up hands. Just get your code monkeys to do that sort of stuff and be the Miyamoto of the project by only working on the art and game design. Many artists would do anything to be in this position.
>Deltarune is unironically the story of a knight who had to defeat a dragon then manipulated events so that he could waifu the dragon insteadIt's just like my favorite memes
>>4088645>he confirmed himself HE IS STILL CODING FOR DELTARUNE for some fucking reason (the climbing gimmick).Wait what, when did he say this
>>4086522Sometimes i wonder why futafags, furfags, NTRfags get mad at being lumped into the LGBTQ angle when they have the same goals, lifestyles and sexual deviancy as that group.
>>4088647https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/chapter3-chapter4/>Originally, the climbing mechanic just use the normal overworld movement with… climbing graphics. The result felt mushy, so I programmed a new climbing system myself. This is one of the only things I got to program, so I get to point it out.I bet he programmed all the WR scenes in chapter 4 and 5 too, he won't just say it.. Well except the CRT screen effect: there is still dead and unused code for it, so someone else may have programmed the shader for it.
>>4088650I think this sheds new light as to why the game is taking so long to finish, thanks for pointing this out.
>>4088560Fucking doelester is built on more sound logic than this. But whenever you try to talk about that online people just shut their ears and go "but BRO how is that gonna contribute to the STORY man what IMPACT is that gonna have!?!?!?"
>>4088657I was away for a while what do you mean doelester is built on logic
>>4088658nta but doelester provides an in universe explanation for kris they/themmingtroons inherently understand this, which is why they sperg out so hard about it, as it would give the game awaydess is also the most projected upon character in the game after kris, and since doelester involves both dess and kris, it's a direct assault on the people who do it to either of them
>>4088429She's not the audience surrogate. Not when she literally stops you from finding out shit.
>>4088658The logic's at least as sound as this. You have hints that Kris at least had a one-sided attraction to Dess (him throwing rocks at Asriel and Dess on the Ferris Wheel the same way Susie throws rocks at Kris and Noelle). Add in Kris's weird relationship with the Knight or Dess (holding her fucking hand during Chapter 4) and you could extrapolate it to Kris and Dess having a thing going on before That Day.
>Almost 3000 postsAny images you want to get out of your system
>>4088629>Do you need to? I don't think soKris and Susie went to this beach in every chapter. It was a place to reflect.>Face it, nothing she's saying here is logically incorrect.She's literally forbidding Kris from going to the beach just because she thinks it's only hers and Noelle's place now. She doesn't give a shit.
>>4088664nigga was like "let's plap this older deer"
>>4088668i'm a little sad there's no place for the racier femkris pics hereit was a lot of fun baiting with them on /v/
>>4088627The SOVL is the essence of one's being and during Omega Flowey fight this is what you encounter when each human soul is called, one last pattern that represents them, their essence. They're not hard attacks, they can't even kill you, but they're personal. When you encounter Omega magic in Deltarune, it's as if the same essence is being invoked, but only you know its significance. Flowers are imitations of humans that don't know what they are and so their "final attack" (and like half of them don't even use it like that) is an echo of a real thing. Their form imitates a human without knowing what it's supposed to be, their personality imitates human ones without knowing what it's supposed to be, their magic imitates the last outcry of a human soul without knowing what it's supposed to be. It is a reference for you but "hey I've seen this before" is just as true for the flowers themselves, this is all they know, for them it's an idea borrowed without meaning for the sake of imitation, flawed and warped. I also feel like Aqua showing you this was important because she's a kid just like the humans in Undertale were. She might look like one but she's definitely not human, and she might use a similar attack to one, but it's definitely not the same thing. Without telling you directly it is communicated through something you already know, a reference being warped by context.
>>4088668We can go for 3500.
>>4088686I'm also into cock and ball torture
>>4088671Extremely cute FemKris.
>>4088560>using the tranny Ralsei argument (prince of the dark but wants to be a princess) but reverse for NoelleOkay now this is new lmao
>>4088653And that's why I'll die on the hill that the chapter wide gimmicks were a retarded move, no matter how hard anons glaze MANTLE for being spooky.
>>4088690>tranny ralseiAre you crazy
ahemralsei wearing a dress and being called a princess is fine as long as he's wearing it when he gives kris and susie the 12 inches still not a girl though
>>4088671You can't really post images of your favorite characters in general here since image slots are so limited.
>>4088671I miss posting battats all the time
>>4088697As a darkner Ralsei is a shapeshifter he could easily give himself a pussy and some big boobs.
>>4088704that would be gay though
>>4088704>flower older than asriel just felt like being a lolistill based
We're just 50 images away from the limit so don't make another one like a tard and use them well unlike the doetard above me
>>4088705No it would be lesbian which is okay actually.
>>4088708Nuh-uh.
>>4088709three lesbians is enoughralsei needs to be the dick in the throuple
All the old conversation of "Toby can't make another Spamton" made me think: were all characters in UT really a slumdunk in terms of staying in the fandom consciousness?Flowey/Asriel, Toriel, Papyrus and Sans sure did (all notably in the beginning), but Undyne, Mettaton and Alphys and considerably less talked about, and Asgore is in a weird grey area.So I guess it was inevitable most of the new characters would fall out of discussion quickly?
>>4088455Might not ever be since there's still no arbitrary code entrypoint
>>4088713once pokemon comes out, the autists will figure a way once they really need to know all the hidden content of the game
>>4088494I don't think so, Undertale already had a home-movie of Toriel pregnant which has a lot of load-bearing implications for what the hell goes on in a monster's body, monster bodies still mirror some biological processes even if they're almost intangible compared to humans and turn to dust when killedThere's also the Warrior with bandages or casts on his hands in the hospital which would imply some ability to break bones or suffer burns (funny enough he's a character that uses a blood euphemism, he yells his blood is boiling)
>>4088672That's seriously just a long-winded way of saying "it's an Undertale reference" and trying to come up with a reason why it should be more than that.
>>4088718The snowman doesn't turn to dust when you pick all his pieces amor eat him.Don't think too hard about Toby's world building, he doesn't and Noelle thinks you're annoying for that.
>>4088692>variety bad
>>4088721Make varied dojo challenges. That's not an excuse.
>>4088720I don't think the snowman is so much lore questions as it is "it would be really funny if you could torture this snowman to remember you're genocides"
>>4088712>some characters are more popular than othersNext you'll tell me Lunch doesn't get as much focus as other DB characters
>>4088718Under the theory Sans really is from Deltarune, DR Monsters can bleed like humans but the moment they die they turn to dust.
>>4088720Or different monsters have different properties since they're magic
>>4088712The bone brothers were the only characters that REALLY stayed in people's consciousness, they were so popular that they made secondary characters like Grillby more popular than main characters like Alphys simply because they were characters Sans interacted with in game a lot.
Gerson doesn't deserve to have Undyne's le moteef.
>>4088720I'll pick apart anything that insists itself the ultimate rpg game of all time that everyone is expected to love. Your world building better be fucking immaculate.
>>4088730I thought it was fun that Gerson's song is a banjo or Scottish highlands version of Undyne's song with a different tempo, he's her mentor in Undertale after all
>>4088721>what are soul modes>what are the ACT gimmicks we were already doing>what are colored bullets>what are "quick and simple" microgames like the punch out clone or the physical challenges (believe or not, there is shit from chapter 3 I kinda like)>>4088722>though the chapter 2 dojo was already disappointing for not letting me refight bosses>somehow the next dojo visits are even more disappointing than thattruly a microcosm of deltarune
>>4088719It's a reference that showcases what something isn't as much as what it is. You can learn something meaningful just from comparing it to what you know. Not all references are utilized that way.
>>4088731>that insists itself
>>4088730eh whatever, I just see it as an "royal guard" motif
>>4088692You've been dying for months now nigga when are they putting you sixty feet under?
>>4088736>erm you can't judge my game until the ending, you just need to appreciate it more chuds
>>4088733while it makes sense in the context of undertale, as far as we know there is no correlation between undyne and gerson in deltaruneunless of course the person gerson mentioned as being similar to susie was undyne, but that would entail gerson actually giving us a name instead of vagueposting
>>4088741>please please please let me make shit up about what your cringe furfag game said
>>4088739sixty feet under, the anon man...
>>4088743I'm paraphrasing the newsletter.
>>4088729They sure are THE characters people remember but let's not be to restrictive. Toriel still had the whole "le goat mom" thing, Asriel had all the people wanting a better closure for him, but the others I mentioned are closer to Muffet's level of "staying relevant" despite the fact she was just a throwaway midboss with no major connections to anything else.>>4088724Ruins+Snowdin is like a third of UT, Deltarune is much longer and it will suffer if something new can't stick for long.
>>4088735You're bending over backwards to add context to a superficial reference in a largely superficial chapter.
>>4088739the meat factory>>4088745>anon after not surviving
>>4088747Muffet only became popular because of the So Sorry controversy
>>4088742It's a shame how people overlook the thing Undyne and Asgore had.
>>4088748I'm just reiterating what is shown in the game. References are not some magic that can't be explained, you don't have to pretend you don't understand them.
>>4088752yeah keep rewriting history
Why is Mew Mew (not Maddie) such a knower? She already had a Shadow Crystal before she was possessed and she met the owner of the FRIENDS.
>>4088753I love that she styles herself after Gerson but her actual mentor is Asgore
>>4088743Even you can't deny the damage control being done after chapter 5
>>4088756She is a catgirlNote that Cat is its own entire element, paired with Puppet
>>4088761Yeah but so is me giving women, so why does it have?
>>4088764what
contributing to the image limit
>>4088753iirc we hardly get any of that in deltarune either at best one could infer that undyne was a rookie asgore took under his wing when he was police chief, but i don't think their relationship has been delved into more than 'they were coworkers and undyne is aware of asgore's kids'
>>4088756Because Toby Fox put the mad ghost into this character at the last second instead of making a Darkner of Mew MewLike an idiotShould have roasted that ghost, I hate that the game forces you to enable its delusions.
>>4088767Yeah they don't seem to be close in Deltarune, she holds him in some kind of high regard as the previous police chief but that seems to be the extent of their relationship
>>4088766Stop, we're going for 4000
>>4088756I just wanna know who the mystery nigga(s) are bro>Yeah my buddy met a guy and went crazy so we locked him upOkay but who>Yeah our old colleague was on the phone with some dude and they helped make him a big shot but then cut him off and he lost his shit Okay but WHO>I think someone wanted me to use this crystal thingy but that shit was scary as hell so I decided not toCAN YOU DESCRIBE THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU'RE THINKING OF?>I knew someone who owned whole pack of catsWHO?????
>>4088756Alphys most likely because she was her original owner before giving it to AsgoreShe probably had the Mew doll while doing crazy shit, like that Cat Petterz mod mentioned in the ARG that Noelle playedThis is also why i think Alphys also could be the ''Owner of the hunting pack''
>>4088768>at the last second
>>4088771the second toby actually names a character, the jig is up5 gets shit on the most for vagueposting, but looking back the earlier chapters had a lot of it toothey just weren't under the expectation of actually delivering yet
You ever think about how mewmew was probably going to be a actual schizoboss (depressed) before she got rewritten, but she's still in her depressed form in the shop?
>>4088756>Gaster spins his wheel of schizophrenia >joker>COOL.>Mettaton NEO >HMM...>pushes the pointer exactly between Mettaton NEO and puppet>NICE>microphone >NAH.>pointer stops exactly between power cord and dice>SCREW IT.>spins the wheel wildly and closes his eyes, doesn't check the result.>LET'S MOVE ON.>Gerson >OK.>cat>NOT YET.>rose>NOPE.>pointer stops exactly between those two>I'LL JUST GET MEW MEW, SHE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT>one last spin>trash>I'M DONE WITH THIS.
>>4088759She did follow him around and was likely her other boss/mentor after Asgore, but they don't seem to have much intimate connection.
>>4088773Yeah, he shouldn't have done it twice. This character was 100 percent optional in underale to the point that it isn't on the pc. It should not have been forced into deltarune.
>>4088771W D GASTER IN DELTARUNE
>Noelle is into Susie and Kris because they both remind her of her older sisterWhat is this called in freudian terms
>>4088782Hey what happened to "at the last second" we're both staring at something that foreshadows a Deltarune appearance.
>>4088782It's cool that I got to fight her because I didn't play Undertale on a Switch.
Am I the only one who hates Deltarune?
>>4088784doeslested
>>4088785Optional became mandatory for seeing chapter 7. I hate this character, don't do that.
>>4088787No, many posters here seem to.
>>4088777The characters don't match at all. Faggot couldn't resist his tranny reference.
>>4088789First of all you're making a baseless assumption.Secondly, if you hate the writing you don't wanna continue the game anyway.
>>4088787Liking Deltarune is a contrarian position in this thread.
>>4088793I want it to be over. I want to see the credits and get it over with, now I've gotten as far as chapter 5
Darkner Knight is possible however
>>4088782>This character was 100 percent optionalSo...just like Pink?
>>4088789You're still dodging that "at the last second" claim, don't do that.
>>4088797nah, susie sees the knight running across town at the end of ch3the knight has to be a lightner
>>4088773Now that the dust has settled, do we hate the Nintendo Switch?
>>4088796You can make it end for yourself early. This seems wise given how much anguish it seems to cause in you.
>>4088800>Susie sees the knight but doesn't even give us a vague descriptionYOU KNOW,
>>4088799Was it that hard toward to just make the darkner and cut out the ghost?
>>4088777i dunno cause Mew Mew herself isn't active until you get to the fight and the Mad Dummy was already established as being extremely erratic
>>4088784Kris isn't reminding Noelle of her sister. Her relationship with him is completely different. These two are childhood friends, and she's known him for over ten years.
>>4088640I never played Kirby (beyond a few levels of the first one), but according to yiff comics I read Kirby games have really elaborate lore and dark tones.
>>4088801Only console that ever won a court case without even being involved in the trial's case
>>4088803Susie saw movement in the distance in the dark while her eyes were still adjusted to the dark world.
>>4088777She's like that because she has no romantic partner
>>4088807Kirby's story is almost entirely in the background and does get pretty wacky
>>4088804This still isn't addressing what you said. Stay on topic.
>>4088802Getting a game over doesn't count, you know that. No credits or anything, there is no real ending. It's even less satisfying that what chapter 5s ending was.
>>4088807Neither is really front and center or relevant to what you do in the games but it is technically true. Kirby has like minimally three different extinct or near-extinct ancient alien species responsible for different potentially universe-destroying works of magic and/or technology.
>>4088814Why do you need to get a "real" ending from the game before you can stop playing if the game itself is so dissatisfying to you?
>>4088787>>4088794I don't hate Deltarune, but I also don't like it, I'm just annoyed at the missed potential of the setting
>>4088818A character going on an adventure in a fantasy world only to later realize how many aspects of the fantasy world were pulled from their immediate surroundings is not exactly a new trope.
>>4088800Yeah at nightIn the dark
Do you think they, you know...
>>4088807Kirby is performatively deep.
>>4088813Ok, sure. The doll doesn't act in the store like she does in the boss fight at all. The ghost was added in the the last second only because Undertale did it, in an optional encounter not required to get even the true pacifist ending not even on all versions of the game.
>>4088822They had lots and lots of lesbian sex.Or straight sex if you believe in Rudy Knight.
>>4088817I got a real ending from Undertale, that's why.
>>4088821still to light out for a darkner to exist
>>4088827So, no reason to stick with a game you've so far liked much less than Undertale?
>>4088830Because there were things I liked before chapter 5. If I stop playing I have no game left and I'm forced to abandon all of it even the things I like
>>4088827Neutral ending is not a real ending. It's similar to December Ending in Prey (2017).
>>4088824Mew Mew is also an optional encounter in Deltarune
>>4088831Sunk cost for games you don't like is dumb, just cut the umbilical cord instead of feeling smart about obligating yourself to it
>>4088784
is the 2hu remake any good
>>4088787I hate post 1+2 Deltarune in a similar way I hate Paper Mario Sticker Star.
>>4088747Toriel, Flowey/Asriel and maybe Undyne are the only real ones I can say had a fanbase for themselves, outside of the skeletons. Well, they and the humans but I don't think they count here.
>>4088833Yeah, right. Just watch. It'll be mandatory to get to chapter 7. Robert seems the kind of piece of shit to try something like that.
>>4088844>optional superbosses will be mandatory just you seeeeeeeeeeLol
>>4088842The relation between Sticker Star and the prior Paper Mario is completely different than the relation between ch1+2 and 3+
>>4088794Not really. We love Deltarune here.
>>4088845He made jevil a thing even if you skip him, and the old man appears in full armor during chapter 4 even if you didn't do his fight,creating the one colored soul fight in the game with no warning whatsoever
>>4088840It’s literally the same game, except now you have the option of infinite lives, so it’s trash.
>>4088844>Forcing your shit playerbase to actually get somewhat good at the gameBased
>>4088801No, it's the console nips use to play Undertale so it's the canon one.
>>4088847in a way it's true in that we wish deltarune would live to its most possible potential, but we know toby has other plans cuz he gotta be a pretentious little shit
>>4088851Don't make optional content mandatory to beat the game. Don't do that.
>>4088848Jevil is simply referenced and the whole point of the Sound of Justice is he's a doppelganger
>>4088848>the characters have to have no story relevance after I choose not to touch them or Toby is threatening me with having to do their boss fight!Just do their boss fight if you feel like it'll be relevant.>BUT I DON'T WANT TO REPLAY ANYTHINGSkill issue.
Pink is yet another gigantic monkey's paw to me.I used to entertain Mew Mew being the chapter 3 secret boss back in the days most thought we'd get 7 shadow crystals and most chapters would just be chapter 2 with different coats of paint. I was also expecting more lightners to get the Berdly treatment. And I also shipped Madgore.Then I got her as the most poorly placed secret boss possible, after the only other 2 new Shadow crystals were nothing of want I looked for, and she kisses god damn Kris out of everyone. The player character got kissed and I'm mad over that.
>>4088857I think people want to be angry at the game and Deltarune is not really giving them an opportunity to do so so they're forced to make their own misery. Solved by simply not approaching Deltarune as a fucking lunatic
>>4088853To be fair if Deltarune comes out and isn't swarmed by people calling it "pretentious" regardless I'll be absolutely shocked. People call anything that isn't perfectly straightforward and happy "pretentious".
>>4088846Story wise I agree, but in terms of gameplay no. It's the exact same frustration.
>>4088857It's not a skill issue I beat them already, time travel to fight the knight shouldn't be part of a seamless experience from ch1 to ch 7, it feels wrong
>>4088860Can you just...make something more straightforward then? I would like a more straightforward adventure.
>>4088863That would be an immensely disappointing conclusion to everything Deltarune has already done, so no.
>>4088777I think Mew is super focused on dating and kissing to worry about anything else, until she saw the cat bite at least, she has that retarded anime girl energy>>4088858But that was the body kissing Kris, the ghost doesn't care for him
>>4088853>inb4 "you're mad because you didn't get what you imagines"What most people imagined was simply more of the same. That's why people come back to a series, because they want more of what they know.
>>4088864I would still like it. I would not be disappointed by a straightforward adventure if I knew that's what I was getting.
>>4088865Tell that to officer Undyne, Maddy.
>>4088863You should fuck off, honestly.
>>4088861No, it really isn't. You get the exact fucking same mechanics in combat, there's just a different balance of other gimmicks. That's a far cry from the game where all of your attacks are now incrementally better repeat copies of the same handful of consumables.
>>4088869Why, because I dared say the game was turned into shit over the course of 4 years?
>>4088787I am beginning to dislike it and this could intensify depending on how the game continues
>>4088867Well I know what I'm getting isn't a straightforward adventure, I have known this since the survey program, and if it suddenly turned out to be one at the end, THEN I'd have something to complain about the way you have been.
>>4088855>mandatoryThere's no way the shadow crystal storyline will be obligatory for the true normal route ending as long the Knight exists, unless you can make the Knight weaker somehow like Pink optional easy modeThe casual player won't beat the Knight
>>4088860>People call anything that isn't perfectly straightforward and happy "pretentious".Because those straightforward stories get torn to shreds by critics/academics and the people who like then want to push back.That's why we get a million bland twist villains while the old-school mustache twirling villain is almost extinct, for example.
>>4088872Because this is week two or three of begging on-and-off for the game to turn into something it's not because "my expectations were subverted :("
>>4088872Yeah, because your idea of what was "good" about the game was so retarded and limited that your brain failed when it introduced characters that don't obey the "format". Spamton is mandatory too. Maybe in not the form he appears as an extra boss, but he still is.
What's wrong with this doe? Why is she so fucked in the head?
>>4088858To think one of Toby's most confusing characters would be the waterfall midboss
>>4088878Don't subvert my shit, and I will be quiet. They started it.
>>4088863Wait for DELTA TALE: The Complete Edition Under the Altered Rune.To be released in 2042.
>>4088880It's a mystery...
>>4088882Sorry anon your posting gimmick was old weeks ago
>>4088879Didn't know Spamton Neo appeared in the normal route completely unprompted when you fight the Queen.
>>4088868Undyne is gone bro...It's all up to Napstablook now...
>>4088877>those straightforward stories get torn to shreds by critics/academicsSorry, something happening solely because the plot demands it is shit and will always be shit. The classic stories aren't laid out like that because "that's how stories should be laid out", they're laid out that way because of actual values that every single one of your kind disregards. You don't actually know what those old stories were trying to communicate with their tropes, you just demand to see those tropes again and again.
>>4088891Nobody cares about your mouthbreathing literary analysis, anon.
>>4088866Not true. I come back to see what's gonna be different from what I've already played. One of the biggest appeal points of Deltarune to me is how far it has come from the simplicity of Undertale.
>>4088828Ralsei still hasn't told us everything.
>>4088887Didn't know Spamton Neo was a completely separate character from Spamton.>well I wasn't actually talking about secret boss "characters" I was talking about secret boss "gameplay" escaping that bossThen you can't complain about Jevil, or Gerson's appearance in the Titan fight. Pick a lane.
>>4088868Officer Undyne is too busy with the current groomer called Dess that has done absolutely nothing on-screen kekIt's so funny how Pink even after commiting the crime on-screen, Dess was the one who got hit
>>4088881>one of the few characters to get more than 2 completely different boss fights>also 3 different songs that have barely anything in common >the fucking throw away midboss that was a follow up to the dummy joke fight in the Ruins and was the least relevant character in the Mettaton plotline
>>4088893Never noticed Sans is leaking.
>>4088891Values? Ok, those values were trod upon by the subversives. I'll still blame them.
>>4088890>Maddy gets away with grooming because of nepotism
>>4088852I love the japanese so much.
>>4088853Nah, we like Deltarune as it is.
>>4088898I will. Keep gerson out of the tian fight, his entire secret boss design leaked out.
>>4088902Nope. The hero classically sets out on the coming of age quest as a young teenager because that was once when you became an "adult". This wasn't subverted, people just got a different perception of where adulthood began as life expectancies and schooling both got on average longer.Most classical tropes that died did so for a reason.
>>4088906I don't. Dump the mad ghost completely
>>4088876Where did she pull that out from
>>4088886CoL is never leaving bro
>>4088907Ok, so if the design leaking out is what's bad and not the soul mode, sound of justice is fine?
>>4088877There are no villains, only misunderstood dindus.
>>4088910It's her version of Kris pocket but it's in her ass instead
>>4088909CoL? Raped by Maddie
>>4088911I tire of named schizos and their followers that magically spawn from the aether. Of grown-ass men that physically cannot stop themselves from giving attention to the attention whores.
>>4088891The dark fountain in ch5 made purely to stop you from progressing because the plot demands it sucked, then.
>>4088916IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!
>>4088913Both suck and both don't make any sense as a result
>>4088916Dude, I know a guy who hates this character more than I do
>>4088917The game never states how every character can access the same bag of items.
>Noelle left her Pretendo Switch in he hospital/mansion>Chapter 6 has the return of MANTLE gameplay, now it's Dragon Blazers instead of Cat Petters RPG
>>4088923isn't mantle implied to be bootleg dragon blazers due to the existence of the ice palace?
>>4088896explain all the post chapter 2 but before 3 theories then
>>4088918Antagonist characters are trying to slow down the player character. Something happening because the plot demands it is like a village suddenly being better off after you beat a boss without that boss having had anything to do with the village's problems.
Realistically, would>They self-identified as a woman/man to avoid part of the prophencyEVER be a plot point? It sounds like it would be kryptonite to any progressive (lol people lying about changing gender) yet I see people outside of here making the same comment as part of a theory.
>>4088924It's muddy as hell with the Prophecy and Lord of the Hammer's own relation to Dragon Blazers, but I doubt MANTLE is supposed to be the latter two because of Susie's presence as a hero instead of a dragon
>>4088927>it would be kryptonite to any progressiveI don't think culture war garbage is a consideration at any point of Deltarune's development
>>4088925I believe the majority of those were one of two things>people who just like making OCs no matter the justification>people trying to make "the next Spamton" because Spamton was internet engagement gold and predicting the next one would win you engagement foreverNeither requires you be much of a Deltarune enjoyer beyond some vague nebulous "style".
>>4088929Susie is a dragon who I defeated in Mantle 3
>>4088924>>4088929Legend of Tenna and MANTLE were made over Cat Petters RPG, which was a knock off of Dragon Blazers, which was an inaccurate adaptation of Lord of the Hammer, which was inspired of scraps from the Prophecy, which comes from the real Prophecy.Each copy gets more gray.
>>4088930That just means you don't think very well.
>>4088933wouldn't it be the opposite? each copy is more and more colourful as they're gradually becoming their own thing instead of just a copy?
>>4088933And yet some traits seem to re-emerge no matter how many times you try to distort the prophecy.Anytime you make it interactive, it ends up offering a dichotomy of violence and kindness. MANTLE and TV Time form a complete pair, Dragon Blazers has the choice, presumably Cat Petterz does as well...Even the Deltarune we play...
>>4088926>Tomorrow...we have to do something.>We have to.Nothing of value ended up being done. This happened for no other reason than spite. I was punished for moving on the linear path the game forced me to go on.
>>4088938Good, you like being punished. You're like Kris where you enjoy being bullied.
>>4088936>The Deltarune we're playing now is both another iteration of the legend of Deltarune retellings and a knock-off copy based on another "game" but neutered just like Legend of Tenna is built upon Mantle.
>>4088938i mean technically snooping around noelle's house was doing somethingsusie just blew it in both routes is allch5 is the one where she actively is doing nothing and either forgets the plan or outright lied to kris about her goal with noelle (which was to get another attempt at the guitar code)
>Ramb talks about how everybody changes... Except them. (Kris and Ram)>Noelle goes on a breakdown and goes on about how everybody is still the same, except Kris, he really changedWhat are those parallels supposed to mean
>>4088942Ramb noted how Kris pre-incident and Kris now are similar. Noelle noted how Kris post-incident and Kris on WR are different.
>>4088941Sounds like a a shit story for a video game thats taking this long.
>>4088942"Us" probably means darkners there.
>>4088942flowery also calls out that kris has changed
>>4088942Kris hasn't changed, despite trying their best to appear like they have.
>>4088944never said it was a good excuse, just that it's the one in game imo toby should've done another game in between undertale and deltarune to actually learn how to tell a proper longer format story instead of jumping right in and keeping all the issues with it he had in undertale it could be excused there because the story was much shorter and less extravagant, but not with something like deltarune
>That one section where the knight mirrors Kris' movements during the original game in sword route>PicIt has to mean something you know, even if its not the conclusion most people are coming to.
>>4088939What makes you think I like being punished
>>4088951Kris and Noelle are the Knight
>>4088942I assumed Ramb was referring to darkners.
>>4088951noelle is the only option that makes sense her and kris as the only characters who are that in sync with each othernoelle even name drops one of the knight's (unused) attacks (crescent slash) when checking woodblade2
Okay but what if the answer is that the Knight is Dess with Kris's soul inside so she won't die?>Explains their shapeshifting/similarities with Genocide Undyne>Explains why they mimic Kris>Explains why kris needs a external Soul>Gives Kris a reason to be doing all this shit
>>4088935All of them are rooted in the one objective truth Prophecy, problem being all of Gerson's advice about just writing your own story instead falls a bit flat when the original Starprophecy will warp time and space to make sure it comes true while simultaneously being so vague that almost anything can fulfill its conditions if you squint hard enoughSo far it seems like Chapter 5 Weird skipping straight to 7B is the only actual defiance of the prophecy within the game
>>4088942You mean this one? looks like Ramb is saying that the girl and Kris can change while Darkners stay the samethe wording is a bit weird, but also Flowery mentions how Kris changed so it must be for the darkners
>>4088961Forgot to add, the aborted lake scene Noelle also says she and Kris didn't changed so who knows what parallels there's supposed to be
>>4088942I think Ramb is talking about the darkners, not Kris.
>>4088945>>4088954>>4088961>>4088963Well... I guess that makes sense.
>>4088959I think the prophecy will be "changed" in all routes, but in the normal route it's probably going to be so that the prophecy gets fulfilled in a technical sense but done in such a way that the impact of the tragedy is at least dampened somewhat. The Weird Route will be a much more direct divergence and it will have catastrophic consequences.
>>4088771It's Gaster
>>4088961A set of lines that would have hit ten times harder if Noelle was actually here
>>4088958The dark monster in Mantle has blue eyes btw.
>>4088964Still, you made me wonder of the whole ''changing'' thing, Ralsei technically changed, Flowery tried but it was an illusion
>>4088969noelle has blue eyes
If Mantle 3 is Hometown Massacre does that mean we oneshot the Knight in 7B.
>>4088964In your defense, Ramb using "us" to refer to all the Darkners in the Dreemurr household, including himself, is a bit odd. He's not usually part of that group, not in his or anyone else's consideration.
>>4088975I think he likes to think he's part of the group while everybody else hates his guts.
>>4088974>he thinks the knight is not our ally in doing hometown massacre
>>4088978The weird route abandoned the knight plot completely.
>>4088951We don't see what Noelle does when she blacks out, she is the Knight.
>>4088978I don't see why it would help us.
So uh,Do we have anyone theorizing that the Knight is someone that the Knight was seen with in the same room?Like Undyneknight. Or Torielknight.
>>4088988We have Kris Knight but it's Kris's original soul cope.
I don't care about who the Knight is. I don't care where Gaster is. I don't care what the final tragedy will be. I don't care what Kris' plan is.
>>4088951The Knight is OUR Vessel being possessed by Kris's original SOUL
>>4088974No, we will fight it one on one in the shelter.
>>4088992>Kris playing with both controllersBased af
>>4088988I am the Undyneknighter. I have nothing aside from the idea that there are multiple Knight entities each based off of echoes of Lightners and that the sacrifice next week that is supposed to somehow involve the police is tied to that.
WHERE IS SHEMARIGOLD
>>4088997>That reflective ass floor>Pink was wearing a skirt
The big twist of 74 (7A) will be that Kris and Noelle will amalgamate into a new Knight at the end of chapter 6. 7A will just be an epilogue where you may or may not control Susie and confront Ralsei and they say something deep about the power of fiction while the final boss is (You).Meanwhile 7B (73) has Kriselle out of the picture, it starts with Gaster giving you the vessel and letting you kill Ralsei and Susie, either for real or metaphorically because since it's the previous loop, the original game, they aren't important yet. The final twist and boss is probably that you have to fight a dragon which is both Ralsei and Susie. Ralsei being associated to roots means he is very important. The knight is maybe out of the picture completely or there are two knights, and the knight of the previous loop is Dessriel while the knight of this loop is Kriselle. Or maybe it is just Noelle. Noelle and the knight have never been seen in the same room together haven't they?
>>4088998>toby spends 10 gorillion hours of dev time making sure the palace floor is reflective >prosneeds to do nothing interesting with it beyond the wow factor
>Ruto thread autosaged >Sonic threads are a coinflip of getting deleted>Make a Pokemon thread, one of the first 5-10 posts try to shove you to /vp/>Etc.Maybe Deltarune threads are in hot water with the staff genuinely just because they have furry characters in them and they get super ultra butthurt as shit over non-human characters for some reason
>>4088991Do you care about the mission?
>>4088997chapter 6 optional boss
>>4088999>74 (7A)>7B (73)I really don't know how seriously to take this connection. I saw it myself but I'm torn because 7 is also L, so it'd be more like LA and LB if you didn't already have foreknowledge that 73 and 74 were important.
>To... to... say something before the image limit!?>I have nothing to say! Nothing!>... All right!>...All right!, fine!>FINE, I ADMIT IT!>Maybe i AM a little HOPEPILLED sometimes!!>I AM!!!>I'm HOPEPILLED!!!>WHAT'S wrong with THAT, HUH!?>We're ALL a little HOPEPILLED sometimes!!>YOU INCLUDED, ANON!>So DON'T give me that look!>That "Oh, i've never been HOPEPILLED" look!>YOU ARE!>YOU HAVE BEEN!>YOU HAVE TO be!>It CAN'T just be me!>Just ME...>alone.>Hopemaxxed...>against the whole thread...>... it can't be...
>>4088973Proof?
>>4089001Are the AI thread still safe? i swear they got indians as janitors
>>4089006I am hopepilled for 7B though.
>>4088974Yes.
>>4089001Jannies are based?
>>4089007white coded + blonde hair
Why have I never seen someone assume Noelle made the chapter 2 dark fountain?With how she acts in 5 WR it should be clear she knows more than she lets on.
>>4089013Noelle Knight most of the time is a theory only shared here
>>4089013Why would queen consider the knight and Noelle seperate people if she would have literally seen Noelle open the fountain in front of her.
>>4089013because the majority of people don't want noelle to be anything but a damsel in distressjust a girl for susie to save, unable to do anything on her own
>>4089013Chapter 5 confirms a black shard was there so the Knight did it.
>>4089013Queen didn't see who made the fountain and Noelle's position implies she was sitting right there when it was made. If Noelle had conspicuously gotten out of frame just before the fountain opening that Queen has on video, then Queen is our new ruler of the vagueposters for not fucking mentioning it once.
>>4089014Here and reddit.
>>4089015it's a minor plot point that nobody in the ch2 fountain except for maybe spamton actually met or saw the knight, all they have is a poor quality recording of the fountain openingqueen's entire plan was going off of an assumption
>>4089014>>4089016You know the knight is like 11 feet tall right. And can shapeshift. And has been shown to overpower Asgore and Undyne with ease.
>>4089022ok, that doesn't describe any character we know of and it has to be someone we know, because if it weren't there would be no reason for kris to hide it's identity, because we would have no idea who or what we were looking at
>>4089024It's very obviously Dess. Everything else is contrarianism.
>>4089022Well, that's one of the arguments for it because she is in the cross country team, she's athletic, not to meniton the whole ''getting stronger'' thingStill, i made that theory for funsies, i don't really take it serious, but other anons expanded on it
Does NoelleKnight conflict with weird route? I'd think it does, but you could argue its just bringing out the side of Noelle that already existed and already comes out, sometimes. Though crazy chapter 5 Noelle and KnightNoelle act very different.
If it is Dess I will be sending hate mails to Toby every day. Actually, I'll just program a bot to do that.
>>4089006Doomposting is funny but I can't see a reason why I can't enjoy the game at the same time. I pity people who are genuinely not having fun playing it.
>>4089027right, dess, the 11' tall deer girl that we have no actual visual reference for outside of a silhouette who is currently completely unable to be accessed that's the character kris doesn't want you to be able to see
>>4089029noif anything it explains why noelle is so absurdly powerful by default and how queen describes herremember, 'you thought you saw undyne frozen in ice'
>>4089028Wait why the fuck does Noelle make dark fountains in Sans' shop? And why does she call him Mr. Sans? What?
>>4089028Being able to run a few kilometres means she's.... stronger than someone who can benchpress a car? What???>>4089032Argument?
>>4089038there would be no reason for kris to hide dess' identity from us when we have zero way of influencing her
>>4089024>>4089032The Knight is obviously not just a person in armor but it could be directly related to one.
>>4089039Kris doesn't want you to know about the knight's identity in general. This disproves nothing, are you retarded?
>>4089044ok but if it's someone we don't know, what would be the point of hiding it's identity?if the knight was this big scary ooga booga monster, hiding it's identity would be pointless because (you) wouldn't be able to do jack shit about it so it has to be someone who can be identified and influenced
>>4089029Noelle would need to keep her memories post-reset to work if she's in the lake in 7b, it has the same problem as Kriselle Knight reallyMost of the evidence can be used has foreshadow for her weird route counterpart>>4089038Did you skip the ''getting stronger'' thing i mentioned? Noelle's is way stronger when she's in trance, which is another argument for Noelle Knight to workAlso now that you mention the car thing, i guess Kris is strong as fuck if he can lift Susie as a lawnmower
Guys I think Kris doesn't want us to play the game at all, why are we still playing?
>>4089046>but if it's someone we don't knowDecember is mentioned in several mandatory cutscenes.>what would be the point of hiding it's identity?What would be the point of hiding the identity of the main culprit in your conspiracy??? GEEZ I SURE FUCKING WONDER!>hiding it's identity would be pointless because (you) wouldn't be able to do jack shit about itIf you knew who the knight was you would realistically be able to make many conclusions regarding this and act upon them.>so it has to be someone who can be influencedLiterally nothing in the game says this.
>>4089046>if the knight was this big scary ooga booga monster, hiding it's identity would be pointless because (you) wouldn't be able to do jack shit about itKris doesn't want you to judge Dess by what you see her do in the game, but by his memory of her.
>>4089049Noelle grows by 6+ feet, gains supernatural strength, gains the ability to rip her chest open, fly like a bird and turn into a floating orb when shes in Trance??? Why doesn't she do this in the weird route???? Why would literally nothing in the game ever imply something so ridiculously noticable as this?????
>>4089054are you saying dess can do that instead? or rudy? or carol?if one of them can do it, there's no reason why noelle wouldn't be able to either
>>4089054Still less dumb than Dess being the knight
>>4089050i wanna see the funny mystery man
Why does nobody discuss the fact that Asgore was at Cyber City?
>>4089050Why should that matter? If Kris is against us being here at all then his opinion of us is unsalvageable anyway and we may as well do as we like.
>>4089057Dess is the only character who is explicitly connected to supernatural circumstances. So yes. You can very easily and confidently say whatever shit happened in the bunker on THAT DAY turned her into the Knight. Also Werewire serves as foreshadowing for how the knight came into existence from their limbs becoming freakishly long and all the knight parallels they have in general.>>4089058>I believe in literally nothing besides being a contrarian.>>4089062Asgore came in after the fountain was sealed.
>>4089054I guess is true that Dess knighter get offended by ANYTHING, no wonder kriselle knight was bullied hardYou know if Dess is 11+ feet tall ultra strong is most likely thanks to the dark world right? the same can happen to Noelle even without needing her to be the KnightHere's a better one, why Noelle knows an ultra powerful spell called ''snowgrave''
>>4089062he wasn't he arrived to the lab after the fact
>>4089063>we may as well do what we likeI just wanna play the version of the game where we say "Don't get inbetween me and Noelle" man...
>>4089065*dess is the only character who is explicitly (headcannon)fify anon
>>4089065Why Kris needs to find her is he already found her, is he stupid
>>4089062>....... I'm.........vague.............posting.............. horrible day.......Wingding Gaster.............Mike..................hot gluing Mew Mew............miss Tori pussy.................people paid 25 dollars for this....................................
>>4089066Name one instance of a normal lightner shapeshifting or being stated able to shapeshift at any point in time during the game.That, and if the knight didn't retain any of the strength they hold in the dark world Undyne would be able to beat the shit out of them when they entered the light world.
>>4089071why did nobody tell noelle they know where her sister is are they assholes?
You can just not engage with Noelleknighters. You just ignore them and wait for them to get proven wrong by the game. I've been doing it for some time now and it works great.
>>4089076this but dess knighters
>>4089068Who else would need a "large space" to be explicitly concealed?
>>4089062Shouldnt have asgore immediately noticed that a ton of things were stolen from the lab too? Wouldnt his next natural step be to figure out where the stuff went
>>4089076Is Aqua and Netskie another Kris and Vessel parallel?
>>4089074The mantle, the hooded figure is actually a real deer hidden in the codeMeme answer aside, i know Noelle knight has so many problems which is why i don't take it serious, but also it's not like we have actual information of a dark world corrupting a lightner body to the point they became the knight like Dess
>>4089084netskie is actually a parallel for the game itself because, much like netskie, deltarune loves to imitate other things and pretend to be them
>>4089075Did your parents tell you Santa Claus exists? No they didn't.
>>4089086Woah, a copy colored in with care...
>>4089071>>4089075Dessknight is very obviously a Flowey situation where they are no longer the same physically or emotionally.>>4089070>the Dessapearance has literally nothing implying its supernatural>Dess' page being totally erased in the spamton sweepstakes page>findher.ogg>The 1225 room in chapter 3>The church room secret dialogue>THAT DAY being an event that traumatized both the Dreemurrs and Holidays and turned Asgore and Carol into conspiracy theorists.>Lost where the forest would growYeah just pack it up at this point. You may as well be saying that the "Roaring Knight" that shows up isn't actually the "Roaring Knight" because they never actually say they are on screen and Kris and everyone else were just guessing....Im done. This is stupid.
>>4089070I like how you framed that as an own but yes Dess only exists in anons' headcanons
>>4089090>You may as well be saying that the "Roaring Knight" that shows up isn't actually the "Roaring Knight" because they never actually say they are on screentoby would do this
>>4089029It would explain why we control the black deer in Mantle I guess.
>>4089062He arrived after the fountain was sealed
>>4089081why would asgore conceal himself? he had no issue being out in the open in ch5
>>4089090reminder that the only, and i do mean only, thing that has ever been explicitly said about what happened to dess in game was in ch5, when noelle said she 'left'everything else is pure speculation derived from vagueposting
dess nuts!
>>4089062Now I'm imagining that Asgore actually was just standing in there until we left Can I get a drawfag to depict this?
>>4089081The Knight.
>>4089090>isn't actually the "Roaring Knight"UH OH STINKY YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD>knight has 4 fingers>panel has 5i won
>>4089022Also, Noelle being the Knight would imply her having some sort of a split personality. A split personality that just so happened to not come up in the weird route. Also, remember how Kris talked to the Knight on the phone in chapter 4 while Noelle was with Susie? Noelle Knight is on the same level of stupidity as Alphys Knight, as far as I'm concerned.
>>4089076>black nail polishVery covert Male Kris art
>>4089118noelle canonically has a dissociative disorder and compartmentalizes her traumasee: her describing that she's 'watching her life go by through glass' in ch5 and her blacking out that she froze the addison and stole the freezering in ch2no split personality required
>>4089120That covers about 1/3 of my argument against Noelle Knight.
>>4089122we don't know if the caller was the knight ch4 implies that it's carol, and it's unclear if carol is aware of what the knight's doing
>>4089122The phone was obviously Carol.Susie must not get guitar.If the last third is about Alphys Knight, well... I don't think Alphys would lie about not seeing Undyne.
>>4089118>A split personality that just so happened to not come upThis has nothing to do with Noelle Knight, but Noelle doesn't recognize Berdly and also mentions to not remember when she casted snowgrave, i wouldn't say it's split personality but more something like that she refuses to acknowledge
>>4089125Actually, the implication is that it was first the Knight, and then Kris called Carol to stop Susie from getting the guitar code.
It's so obvious people are desperate for the level of derangement from Chapter 2 to come back. Schizotheories are over anon, we're now just in the WAITing room.
>>4089131given that the caller has the same sound bytes in both scenes, i'm inclined to believe it's the same person
Why the Knight wouldn't want Susie to get the guitar code or the others, she such a non-issue, unless she is being prepared as a sacrifice or something
>>4089131The Knight has never been shown to speak. No need to be retarded.
>>40891327B has potential for ultra schizotheories but it seems people are so scared to make any assumption so the only interpretations so far is Kriselle date vs Hometown massacre
>>4089135Because Susie is a pain in the ass and you don't want the three heroes to burst in your secret evil lair before you want them to.
>>4089139if seen some people theorize that the meat factory is kris and noelle exploring the sprite sheetkinda boring but it would cause noelle to completely sperg out over being a video game character
>>4089000>toby spends 10 gorillion hours of dev time making chapter 5>prosneeds to do nothing interesting with it Haha...
>>4089142don't worry anon, everything will make sense in ch7 when toby reveals why the game is paced like thisplease trust the dog!!1!!
>>4089013If Noelle did anything dark world related prior to ch2, she did it while blacked out/disassociated.
>>4089054>the monsters made by magic especially the most magical one in dark world is............magical??I mean...maybe?
>>4089117Knight is an overlander
>>4089144She could just pretend to not know.Her and Kris's goal are to fool Susie after all.
>>4089140Knight bodies all three though
>>4089149Unlike most characters, nothing we've seen of Noelle implies she's consciously in on the plan. In ch3 WR she didn't even realize Yen Sid's name spelled backwards is Disney.
KnightWHO?Weaker than MY HERO WALL-SAMA
>>4089149i don't think noelle is deliberately lying or trying to trick anyone her 'excuses' are believable enough
>>4089133That's because people sound similar over digital devices. You'll remember how people were saying the Kitboga videos were fake because the scammers all sounded the same but he explained that you're racist because an accent sounds similar between different people if you're not used to hearing it.
>>4089153Edit where it breaks Knight's arm off (canon)
>>4089151Not as long as I'M THERE.
>>4089155people living in new england are no way comparable to the automatous jeet drones
>>4089153Asgore is a bouncy dude damn
Which ship objectively won?
>>4089163The vessel
>>4089141That's a retarded theory and proves this fanbase still doesn't understand Toby.
>>4089002Toby fox doesn't. He's stalling.
>>4089154Maybe she isn't actually trying to be the knight. Maybe she's controlling it without knowing every time she plays Dragon Blazers?
>>4089165Toby doesn't deserve to be understood.
>>4089169it's more likely she has some sort of mkultra triggerwhat that is, i do not know
>>4089163Toriel x Sans
>>4089165How is it not Toby-like? 7B is going to be meta either way.
>>4089063But you can't do as you like, your forced to watch suselle, you get punished for going on the LINEAR path to the shelter code and derailed for an entire chapter just to waste time, you can't even open doors
This is NOT ok. Someone needs to take this sh*t down.
>>4089173>come see how I ruined the legacy characters you loved as a kid!
Why are people shipping Seth with Aqua?
>>4089183tori always loved psuedo incest...
>>4089183They're buds.
>>4089187>ERAM was Noelle all along
>>4089190Speaking of ERAM...
Before the thread ends, give a name to this fucking thing.
>>4089185Well, because you played the game as a kid
>>4089193A Noelle could never be tricky...
>>4089190Noelle was the one controlling ERAM and chatting with Kris, she just forgot how she got there or why she doesn't remember
>>4089192You forgot the "MY EYES ARE [[Burning]] LIKE [[DVDs at half price!]]" line.
LAST FOR LOLI KRIS.
>>4089185If you turn Princess Zelda into a drunken whore, I will hate you forever.
>>4089194If there's MewMewMiauMiau then
New thread, move whenever you want>>4089199>>4089199>>4089199
Last for who what now?
>>4089173>fans were like "noo sans is asexual you cant ship him with anybody reee">toby then proceeds to make him do sex jokes about toriel and have him bang toriel during the chapter 4 nightwhat a based dog
>>4089206Nah bro...
>>4089206I kneel...
But what if...
>sudden image spam to justify making a new threadI'm tired boss
>>4089216Nobody likes 3382 post threads.
>>4089218Everybody loves big numbers
>>4089175Toby handles meta stuff with subtlety, this is the opposite of it.
>>4089208Toby himself said Sans was too lazy for that back in the day, though.>>4089214Thank God the last image wasn't AIslop.
>>4089218baby numbers, wake me when you get over 4.5k
>>4089225being too lazy could mean a lot of shit aside from muh asexual, like say, being too depressed after leaving his old world to go after someone else again
>>4088777Mad Mew Mew 2 was supposed to be more serious and realistic so I fully believe she was supposed to be based on that before being changed to be bubbly and excited
>>4089218>I hate long discussions that's why I would never ever post in a new thread
>>4089218Only mobilefags with shitter phones that crash trying to handle a page of this size.
>>4089220You mean like when he said what a nice extra boss we are about to face, I hope the song is catchy?
>>4088108The most unforgettable...
>>40888991) Dess is fine, they were both in 12-17yo range. Romeo and Juliet laws and all that.2) Pink is fine, Kris is over age of consent now.
>>4088927Prophecy don't give a shit. If you were EVER associated with "the girl", even accidentally, or as an insult, or in a school play, then it is a fair game for "the girl" role in the prophecy. No matter how much you claim otherwise, prophecy don't care.
>>4089090If Flowey is not Asriel because Flowey have no soul, by this logic Kris is not Kris, because Kris have no soul.
All this time I thought GingerGuard icon was depicting a corroded padlock, only now I realized that it was depicting gingerbread cookie cutter.
