For those of you who hate the current iteration of it, can you name a better series? Because I cannot think of anything comparable.
There is no current iteration of it and there never has been. This thread is bad and anyone engaging below this post accepts that they should make a better thread.
>>4090119Resident evil
>>4090138It's not the same genre even.I don't play it.
>>4090269I wish there was a re rpg. Well. What's with trials or tales? Starting x2, ff is pretty shite as a franchise. Trails 0 is so much better than anything after x2. Saga remake is very popular. Ff mobile remake seems to have a huge fan base, despite being shit.
>>4090119Pokemon. World building, and consistency is far greater across the series.Treating FF as a coherent series is how you end up schizo...
>>4090119DependsWhat specific game are you talking about?
>>4090119TalesXeno
>>4090119Pretty much anything is better than any game modern square enix is putting out.
>>4090119Ogre Battle
>>4090119>For those of you who hate the current iteration of it, can you name a better series?Yeah, old Final Fantasy. 10 was the last one.
>>4090119Kingdom Hearts
>>4090269Final fantasy isn’t the same genre as final fantasyWhat a useless and evasive response
>>4090119All IPs fuck up given enough time. The only way to avoid that is planning everything beforehand and then stopping once the original design is completed regardless of how successful the IP is.
>>4090401It is a coherent series but that deep lore is in stranger of paradise
>>4092052Xeno hasn't had a good game since 2006.
>>4090119Dragon quest
>>4090119Tales, up to and including Xillia 2
>>4093079b-but the Xenoblade dubs are better than subs…
>>4090119I think tales and dragon quest have as many good mainline games but all of them seem to be past their prime
>>4093074Stranger of Paradise was a bad idea that misinterpreted what the crystal time loop bullshit was about in the first place.
>>4090138He said better, not boring.
>>4090119SaGa
>>4090280>I wish there was a re rpglil bro doesn't know about sweet home
>>4090119Breath of Fire
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It depends on how you look at it. Less than half of the mainline series is good, and it'd be trivial to find a series with a higher than 50% hit rate.
>>4090119I don't think there's a better jrpg series, not even close
>>4090401Final Fantasy was perfectly coherent from 1-9, arguably 10. Went off the rails after that (whether you like the later games or not is irrelevant as to the question of coherent identity)
>>4107879>1-9, arguably 10. Went off the rails after thatWhat's your reasoning?
>>4107886>i grew up with those games (but not really lmao) and after i turned 17 they started to suck!!Probably something stupid like that.
>>4107886It's a consistent and very obvious evolution of a single gameplay concept and formula. Do you really think that learning Fire3 from an Esper or Materia is dramatically different from learning Fire3 when a wizard character reaches a specific level?
>>4107888It's not about whether they suck or not, it's about their identity.>>4107886Another really obvious connection is the Nobuo Uematsu soundtrack. Every game from 1-9 is scored entirely by Uematsu. He only partially did 10. He didn't do any of the others (although some of his earlier compositions are arranged for the newer games)
>>4090119Dragon Quest.>>4090121Shut up you retarded faggot, go back to being shit at Fightcade.
>>4107894>>4107897Got anything else?
>>4107886Not him, but as much as I dislike II and VIII for being bad games they're still identifiably Final Fantasy. XI is the first game in the series where the game's design is more defined by an entirely different game than Final Fantasy and it's a shit game because it took from one of the worst games I've ever played. XII straightened what XI did up for single player, but it doesn't feel like an FF so much as it does an FF side game in Ivalice.
>>4090119This is retarded, the vast majority of Nintendo franchises are better than the current state of FF.
>>4107905I could go on but at this point you are already losing the argument by a lot, so there's no need continue if you have nothing else to say.
>>4107923Ok. Thank you for answering.
>>4107906Correct. FFXI is an Everquest clone. It's basically Everquest with Final Fantasy classes and abilities, and a layer of japvoluted nonsense on top for good measure. FFXI was created because it would have been financially irresponsible not to.FFXII takes the MMO-style combat system from FFXI and tries to make it more single-player friendly. And the content in FFXII is similarly MMO-like. Personally I kind of like that, compared to the hallway simulator trend that the series had been on. But it's still drastically different from 1-10 in terms of the overall design.FFXIII ditches full-party control in favor of AI companions and paradigm shitting, while FFXV basically goes full ARPG.Meanwhile, when you look at 1-10, it's all niggas-in-a-row, turn-based jrpg combat. 4-9 use ATB, and 10's CTB is basically ATB minus the "active" part. 1-3 are easily seen as early, foundational games with generic turn-based combat, before the innovation of ATB with FF4. The NES titles share numerous other similarities with 4-10, such as the types of classes and abilities, the way the overworld works, the way random combats work, and so on. (And if you're going back in time to evaluate the NES titles, you can find plenty of other distinguishing features compared to others in the genre like Dragon Quest and Might and Magic).This idea that Final Fantasy has never had an identity is just false, based on lack of understanding of the series prior to 2001
>>4107942>This idea that Final Fantasy has never had an identity is just false, based on lack of understanding of the series prior to 2001It’s funny to hear that other people think that, because to me, the series ended with 10
I have to admit even the bad FF games are on par with the best JRPGs from other series out there. Like FFXII and FFXIII stand toe to toe with most of the A-tier RPGs on the PS1/PS2
>>4090119I would but you will just samefag and be the thread's contrarian king.
>>4108542To put it another way: you can't.
>>4090119All of the industry talent is gone. Any current series is better than FF7 Remake, but still bad and not worth the time.
>>4109081Friendslop is strangling everything.
>>4090119Just because there is no other active, high fidelity, high production value artbook fantasy series of singleplayer RPGs, does not make the current FF series good by default.Other great artbook fantasy properties, even if they aren't high fidelity or singleplayer RPGs:WoWGranblue FantasyTrailsXenoblade
>>4107942>Correct. FFXI is an Everquest clone. It's basically Everquest with Final Fantasy classes and abilities, and a layer of japvoluted nonsense on top for good measure. FFXI was created because it would have been financially irresponsible not to.I would say that FF11 is actually the ideal Final Fantasy game that Sakaguuchi had envisioned. If he had been able to make it in 1987, it would have been FF1. It is literally FF1, but in 3D and you control a single character instead of a whole party and in real time because now they had the capability and knowhow to do so.
>>4109291You are on so many drugs I don't even know where to start.
>>4109291Holy truth nuke
wizardry fucking eight, you tourist nigger
my beef with modern ff games is the party size just keeps getting smaller and smalleri want a final fantasy game like ff6 with a huge character roster and at least 4 party members, honestly 5 or 6 would be cooler, it adds replay value
>>4110090fuck no, that shit sucks so bad.its why VI is shit, so many characters and they're all bland and forgettable outside of a handful of scenes after which they may as well become npc's again.a small cast of fully realised party members anyday.
>>4110446Full custom party creation.
>>4110450nah, just make compelling and cool characters plz
>>4090119roll eyes all you want but E33 showed that turned based combat is still viable, can be massively popular with people and can be evolved beyond what was present in FF I - X if you wish to do so.also, what are we classing as "better than it", does DmC count for its better combo system ?because you know for nearly a decade now FF has been rolling with real-time action combat, its not even a turn-based series anymore really.just a very mediocre action game with boring, convoluted stories with no real satisfaction to be gained.what does modern FF do better than DmC or E33 ?
>>4110458>just make compelling and cool characters plzFull custom party creation.
>>4110446>fuck no, that shit sucks so bad.>its why VI is shitThe problem with VI that they did a piss-poor job with the formulas and stats and the growth system, making it so the characters don't have as much variety as it feels like they should have.>forgettable outside of a handful of scenes The main problem with this complaint is that the opposite also sucks. When characters each have their own distinct storyline and development arc, it often detracts from the main storyline. "OK, time to cram Amarant into the plot pretend for a couple of hours like anyone gives a shit about this asshole's personal problems." It's totally fine for supporting characters to SUPPORT the main story instead of stealing the spotlight.FFVI, at least, was specifically designed without a main protagonist plot, so the story is a cluster of vignettes and little story ideas about different characters. So it works pretty well all things considered. Characters are definitely not bland and forgettable. They are all distinct and memorable.
>>4110479the esper stat gains are the worst parti did a FUCK MAGIC run a few years ago where i had pixel remastered set to 0.5xp/0.5xgil/0xap and it forces you to play to a characters strength instead of just spam ultimathe brave new world romhack used to be really good but they casualized it because babbies cried it was too hard (and i thought it was too easy to minmax)
>>4110472>E33 showed that turned based combat is still viableAs if BG3 hadn't?
>>4110503BNW is mediocre. Decent job identifying the problems, but solutions are uninspired.
>>4110472>what does modern FF do better than DmC or E33 ?Art direction.
>>40901192D era lasted through FF6.Golden 3D era lasted through 10 and can include 11.Everything else has been unmitigated trash and a complete departure from what made the series unique and good. No further elaboration.
>>4110566I've yet to see better solutions.
>>4110646i'm actually pissed off at BNW because a lot of the things they put in the romhack were my suggestions on an older version where i went to the forum and gave them a ton of feedback but because i didn't do any actual programming i'm completely uncreditedthen i'm playing the mod that ripped off all my ideas with no credit and they made it piss easyi turned off exp gain 4 times then got bored and quit
>>4090119modern series or still exist as remakes/gacha?they all eventually get shittier.overall better series? Xenogears/saga. Tales of ____ series.
>>4090401Pokemon Mystery Dung's world.
>>4110646Most modders aren't very capable game designers or they'd make their own games. So the existence of other hacks isn't especially relevant and doesn't make BNW good.>>4110572Golden age is 1-7 (4-7 especially)Silver age is 8-10>>4110572>complete departure from what made the series unique and good.True>unmitigated trashNah, that's going too far. Lazy hyperbole. 10 isn't any better than 12 as a game. It's just closer to the tradition.
>>4111442>Most modders aren't very capable game designers or they'd make their own games.No
>>4111451BNW sucks, it's always sucked, get over it.
>>4111456Nope. Still one of the best RPGs I've played. You're not budging my opinion, and you can't substantiate your whining. Modifying and creating are different skillsets by the way.
>>4107942>their identity is that they're JRPGs and the call wizards 'mages'
zoomers really have rehabilitated 10's reputation, haven't they. mark my words, within the next five years there will be serious debates about 13 being considered "a hidden gem" and then "one of the best FFs" in very short order
>>4111629>zoomers really have rehabilitated 10's reputation, haven't they.10 is bittersweet to me. IMO, it marks the end of the series. I'll always love it, and where it really excels is the story, the characters, the music, the world, all of it is absolutely fantastic. The sphere grid was a decent compromise between class identity and flexible customization. Being able to sub in party members in battle was also an OK idea (but kinda sucked because of feeling obligated to sub everyone in to every trash fight for a single hit just to get their XP in) which was tediousHowever, it was painfully obvious that the devs were no longer interested in making the kinds of games I used to love playing. They had been gradually growing towards the "cinematic moviegame" concept, and it could no longer be ignored. The entire game is essentially a hallway. The world map gone, the airship replaced with a mere list menu. Instead of one or two optional superbosses, a bunch of retarded super grindy "postgame" bullshit.I loved Final Fantasy, but I had to let it go. I never played another Squaresoft game again after it, or really any JRPGs.>t. was in high school when it came out
>>4111629ff13 is "fuck you: i liked it" the game for meboth the sequels weren't great though but still better than most AAA slop these days
>>4111501I'm not trying to change your opinion.I'm trying to inform their decisions.
