>>4109470
BG2 romance is shit

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>>4109470
kotor is the only rpg with good romance

viconia and anomen are well-written characters that shouldn't have been romanceable
jaheira and aerie are poorly-written characters that shouldn't have been romanceable

>>4109498
>>4109544
I don't see what's so bad about the romances in BG2. The characterisation is bold and simple, each one has a dilemma that you help them with. I wouldn't describe Jaheira as poorly written, she is recognisable as a worried middle manager at a large organisation. Aerie's character doesn't make sense on paper (weird mixture of pampered princess and downtrodden invalid) but it just works in the game.

Viconia is the best of course. teaching a dark elf how to love using the power of cuddles <3

>>4109544
>bad people are “well-written”
>good people are “poorly-written”

The eternal cry of the abused and developmentally stunted. You find goodness “boring” and evil “fun and realistic”, because you were mostly subjected to the latter in your formative years. Shows like Breaking Bad contributed to the popularization of this moronic mentality throughout the modern zeitgeist, by slapping the label anti”hero” on the scum of the earth.

A character like Aerie, innocent, honest and well-intentioned, is not allowed to exist in modern media. Everyone needs to be twisted, contorted, to have ulterior motives and a partially despicable past.

Maybe the popularity of evil characters in modern games just speaks for the type of person that consumes them: failed, abused subhumans that need escapism, since the real world rejects them due to their bitter, antisocial personalities.

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>>4109544
Aerie's not that bad. Easily the most plausible "romance" in the game.

>>4109575
>I don't see what's so bad about the romances in BG2.
They're superfluous, mostly cringey and kind of intrusive. They are technically optional but they'll keep bugging you to start the quest. None of them are good waifu material. They are all severely damaged goods with serious issues, and the stories proceed more like a dating sim than a good romance. I guess the Jaheria storyline has some actual romantic elements eventually, I just never got that far because Jaheria herself is so tedious and unappealing. Between the other two, I kind of enjoyed Viconia's but the Forgotten Realms Dark Elves and their matriarchal society has always been goofy fetish bait. Viconia being fiery and confrontational leads to some interesting interaction and conflict but it's not very plausible. Aerie's is short, easy, and the relationship between her naive and childish self and a more experienced, self-assured Charname is believable, if not especially compelling.

>>4109601
Bb doesn't idolize anyone

>>4109769
>retarded opinions
>JRPG poster

Checks out. You demonstrate you have bad taste with your uploaded image, and then you proceed to give the most moronic takes possible on a very serious topic.
Since your taste is bad, we can assume that what you dislike is actually good. By inverting your core claims, we reach pretty accurate conclusions: all of them are waifu material, Viconia's romance is highly plausible, Jaheira is engaging, Aerie's romance is highly compelling.

>>4109601
>only poor people vidya
After all, the scum might the ghoul in your mirror

Nothing has done romance as well as the Imoen mod for BG2.

>>4109782
>seething anger, no counter-argument, appeal to prejudice
submissive male with drow fetish detected

>>4109782
that's a lot of words to not say anything

>>4109801
>Imoen mod for BG2.
Sweet Home Alabama

>>4109804
Arguments and an appeal to reason assume a reasonable counterparty, with whom a frame of reference can be negotiated.
By enjoying JRPGs, you become a freak, so far outside the realm of reason that the only thing you deserve are insults and slurs. I will not debase myself by having an argument-oriented discussion with someone that willingly subjects himself to slop made for failure-to-launch gooks.

>>4109806
You are an animal and I am an ensouled human. Imagine a goat trying to understand English. That's you reading my posts.

>>4109470
A Dance With Rogues module for NWN1.
and Suikoden 2.

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>>4109813
Desperate appeal to prejudice based on a single posted picture with no commentary on it whatsoever. You gorged on the bait proving you don't care about the topic, or can't think like a human. Either way, short and pointless thread, no need to follow it further.

>>4109782
joke's on you, bro. Xenogears has the best romance in gaming history.

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Some dudes will see this and say "hell yeah"

>>4110787
The screenshot you posted contains higher quality dialogue than all games released since 2001 combined. It is a transcendental miracle that humanity was blessed with such art. Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape: Torment are divinely inspired modern World Wonders.
Tasteless swine that feel the need to desecrate these masterpieces by turning them into "anime", are of course unable to appreciate them. Similar to an obese American turning down meticulously crafted French dish, and gorging down an oily Big Mac instead.

Should the player character have an evil alignment to romance Viconia, or does he need to? I'm probably in the minority, but I like Neera despite disliking many other things that were tacked onto BG2 by Beamdog in the enchanced edition.

>>4110798
No alignment requirements. Thematically a good alignment fits the romance best.
However, since you like Neera, I recommend uninstalling the game and playing Avowed, or Dragon Age: Inquisition.

>>4110799
>Thematically a good alignment fits the romance best.
Huh, OK. I started it with a good hero, hit max reputation and she ran off and left. I had the party thief steal something and get caught for a reputation hit, hoping she'd be recruitable again. But it seems she truly ran off and is gone from the game (i.e. not in her usual waiting spot).
>However, since you like Neera, I recommend uninstalling the game
I am sorry for liking a companion, anon.

>>4110803
Honestly, just use the companions don't leave due to reputation mod. It makes no sense in BG2. Anyone that's with you at that point is with you for the long haul.

>>4110807
I figured that in the future, I would do a more evil playthrough and run the evil companions. I think you need at least 3 or maybe even 4 playthroughs to fully appreciate all the companions BG1 and 2 have an offer.

>>4110787
Lol. And I was thinking Aerie romance was on the cringey side. Thanks for the warning.

>>4110787
>tfw no tsundere dark elf gf

>>4110793
this but unironically, if be unironically be need be

>>4109470
Most embarrassing /vrpg/ OP of the last 3 months at least, as far as I can remember.

>>4110889
also the only good romance is me x Bree-Annah from KotOR2 (not (You), only me)

I love choosing the lines that best appeal to the female character, even if they're not the ones I would initially choose. That's what true romance is all about!

>>4110897
ok simp

>>4109470
>Will fuck orcs and gnomes, but not dwarves
It's over for dwarfcels

>>4112354
david gaider said he never made romnaceable dwarf girls in any of his games because he thought it was too close to pedophilia
dwarfs can romance the EE characters
or just install BGTweaks

>>4112542
Doesn't EE lift the race restrictions from everybody?

>>4109470
Tower of time. Genuinely heartbreaking and well written.

Hell, the whole game is well written and the world built. Not once do question the alien chilling in the bath tub during world ending events.

>>4112035
Its called being a player

>>4112644
I don’t wanna be a player no more

Only a few of these were worth remembering. Other than BG2, I really liked the Aribeth romance from NWN. There's not much to it, but the payoff is comfy. Zero desire to replay the game, though.

>>4109813
Another faggot fucking up a perfectly normal thread with his sophistry

>>4109601
>You find goodness “boring” and evil “fun and realistic”, because you were mostly subjected to the latter in your formative years.
IMHO you don't need to go that deep, it's contranianism, people still having adolescent rebellion urges and such stuff. Not saying it can't be what you say too, though.

Not appreciating good and simping to evil because it's flashy and le cool is sadly an universal issue of humanity.

>>4110793
>The screenshot you posted contains higher quality dialogue than all games released since 2001 combined. It is a transcendental miracle that humanity was blessed with such art.
Unironically, this is how it is.

>>4109601
>You find goodness “boring” and evil “fun and realistic”
This is your average specimen of generation X.

>>4112934
I made the thread and I’ll fill it up with anything I want to. Don’t like it? Close your eyes.

>>4112971
Simple contrarianism doesn’t explain the temporal trend of evil-simping becoming more popular over the decades. As I said, a character like Aerie cannot exist in a western game in 2026.

>>4112986
I was being serious anyway.

>>4112995
It’s much more of a problem for zoomers / Gen Alpha compared to gen Xers. The young kids have concluded that the only thing that matters is getting money and power to mog your peers and fuck their women. Not sure whether that’s true or not on the individual level, but it doesn’t sound like a recipe for a functional society.
These tendencies seem to be on the same spiritual wavelength as that vile film “Whiplash”. Maybe being an anti-kantian psychopath can produce short-term success, but it can never produce transcendental art.

>>4113007
>The young kids have concluded that the only thing that matters is getting money and power to mog your peers and fuck their women.
It was always the best part of playing as an intentionally obnoxious, hypocritical, narcissistic Sir Lawful Good Paladin in shining armor. Unfortunately cRPGs always fail for players who want to be too good or too evil.

>>4112995
It's a natural reaction to the sugarcoated, naive vision of world boomers pushed in all media.

>>4113007
>As I said, a character like Aerie cannot exist in a western game in 2026.
People bitched and whined about her crying and moping all the time back then, on forums. And there were edgelords simping to the evil characters, "kill everyone" evil playthroughs etc. I think it wasn't too different 25 years ago.

>>4113090
probably t. every pubescent/young adult in last 200 years

>>4113424
“It’s always been like this” is a euphemism for “I got mine, so I don’t care”.

Good for you, but the rest of us still have to struggle in the mud. Fuck anyone trying to pull the ladder up, (You) included.

>>4113421
Aerie is far from being the most disliked companion. Today, her mere existence is verboten. Baldur’s Gate 3 will happily depict the deaths of children, bestiality, incest, cuckoldry. The one taboo it will not touch on is an innocent, well-intentioned, down-to-earth (no pun intended) girl, that loves you for your courage.
Outside of being taboo, it may also be seen as anachronistic, a type of character that is a relic of the past. The meta for women has become “fuck successful guys and hope one commits”, the meta for men has become “get top 0.1% money and status, failing that, kill yourself or check out completely”. No room for innocence or deontology in the PvP world of the zoomers.

>>4113421
I never understood what kind of problem people could possibly have with Aerie, other than her underperforming cleric/wizard multiclass. It's the only likeable chick out of the three. Jaheira is an asexual manipulative glownigger (and the romance was very glitchy), Viconia is a bitch with body count so high it could reach the upper layers of atmosphere.

>>4109781
It doesn't need to, it's a mirror into the American psyche.

>>4113484
>Good for you, but the rest of us still have to struggle in the mud. Fuck anyone trying to pull the ladder up, (You) included.
no, you just don't have enough experience to see a wider pictures of things, IMHO. Things are not that simple (pretty universal takeaway for almost everything) etc.
>>4113484
>Aerie is far from being the most disliked companion.
well that was Anomen of course.

It's still not taboo, it's just that it's too vanilla. And people are more interested in fetishes and fringe stuff and contrarianism.
>>4113495
>I never understood what kind of problem people could possibly have with Aerie, other than her underperforming cleric/wizard multiclass.
NNNNnyooooo she cries, how dare she! Only my feelings are important

>>4113495
>her underperforming cleric/wizard multiclass
Even the AD&D mechanics reflects her character
>she really wants to join the party, to have an epic adventure, see the world, fight injustice or whatever
>she really wants to be useful
>she sucks at everything

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>>4113529
She's actually rather useful
and she screams when fucked I don't remember that actually, so it's possible anons made that one up

>>4113536
>She's actually rather useful
Nope, she is hopeless in the final parts of SOA and in TOB, where every encounter is a countdown to
>stop time
>cast the murder death kill zone blast

>>4113544
>casting Time Stop every encounter
>resting 9000 times
lame, I'll take impregnated elf GF

>>4113544
Of course she is useful. She can cast Improved Haste and its already better than other cleric companions. And she can do Spell Triggers with Cleric spells as well.
Never used Time Stop honestly, such a stupid strong spell.
>>4113585
You don't need to rest so much actually. Just put a Time Stop into quick slot and cast Project Image. PIs get access to your whole spell book and the items in their quick slots are not consumed.

>>4113536
>>4113544
>low level chuddies talking their low diff adventures
the ankheg wizard from BG1 himself puts Aerie in A tier, same level as Viconia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xuS-EsChs

>>4113585
>I'll take impregnated elf GF
dangerously based

>>4113593
>using Aerie as a tank
this is even more insane than turning Sarevok into a mage

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>>4113591
>Project Image
you didn't beat the game, you abused an exploit that was an oversight, such as targeting yourself with a wand of lightning and casting Sunfire (which itself is bugged due to bypassing magic resistance) to repeat the effect 3 times

>>4113536
>I am helpful, am I not? -Aerie, probably

>>4109470
It's dumb as fuck and they basically force gay romance on you.
Why the fuck is it even in the game at all except for some autists to jerk off too.

>>4113634
>It's dumb as fuck and they basically force gay romance on you.
The BG3 thread is over there, pal.

>>4113609
bet you think your epic overpowered monk is a bussin tank, almost as good as... Minsc...

>>4113633
children: Uuoooh please destroy my life and people around us, cam-cam my lady, woof woof
grown adults: Come dear wife, I think I finally found where to get the Regeneration spell cast on you. Oh and let me carry our little rascal for you.

>>4110889
Someone is trying REALLY HARD to force this game here, i have been on this board for more than 8 years, BG2 threads were uncommon, last 2 years they are boosted. manufactured hype especially when you look outside here and this game is basically dead and forgotten, which is understandable since it aged like milk and isn't actually a well designed game.

WTF is with this thread. OP is an obnoxious namefag and then you have blatant liars like this guy: >>4113733
>i have been on this board for more than 8 years
There was no /vrpg/ 8 years ago, stupid.

>>4113733
>Someone is trying REALLY HARD to force this game here, i have been on this board for more than 8 years, BG2 threads were uncommon, last 2 years they are boosted. manufactured hype
This is a rather specific claim. Let's check the archives:
In the interval between 7/31/2020 and 9/28/24 (1,521 days), OPs on this board mentioned "BG2" 95 times, or a frequency of approx. 1 thread per 16 days
In the interval between 9/28/24 and today (731 days), OPs on this board mentioned "BG2" 17 times, or a frequency of approx. 1 thread per 43 days
BG2 threads have been posted in the past two years at only 37% of the frequency as the preceding years since this board's creation
I summarily judge you to be a lying faggot, and your sentence is to fuck off.

>>4113733
>The Jews are launching a psyop to make the thirteen unlovable troglodytes on /vrpg/ buy Baldur's Gate 2.

This is the mind of the average conservative. It's pointless to empirically test his claims, since "the Jews" probably altered the archives too.

>>4113624
>you didn't beat the game, you abused an exploit
Aaand you didn't even read my post, kek. Literally said I never used Time Stop, nor anything that could be abused for that matter.
I really liked how Projected Images prolong the time your mages can go without resting though, no denying that.

>>4109470
And it still sucked absolute ass and almost ruined BG2.
Romance shit is peak loser-bait, it's so fucking pathetic.

romances are shit
fuck off, woman

>>4114109
>I am from Codex and I am a faggot
Figures. You guys used to complain about boob armors

>>4114211
Sorc?

>>4109470
agreed

>>4114211
He's right. There are 3 kinds of people, normalfags, nerds, and degenerates (think fat feminist who sells dildos for a living and has a cuck boyfriend). Normalfags don't play RPGs and nerds like turn-based combat systems, heroic adventure and epic romance. Dating sim shit is exclusively for the degenerates.

>>4113068
>obnoxious, hypocritical, narcissistic Sir Lawful Good Paladin in shining armor
That would be Anomen. He got the worst reception despite being one of the most interesting characters with really good writing. Teenagers are truly the dumbest people you can interact with.

>>4114243
>Normalfags don't play RPGs and nerds like turn-based combat systems, heroic adventure and epic romance. Dating sim shit is exclusively for the degenerates.
How does BG3 (a degenerate dating sim with turn-based combat, widely popular with normalfags) fit into your analysis?

>>4114243
>Dating sim shit
One day an arab missile will hit the right spot in Israel and Infinitron's shill news spam will end forever

>>4114247
It's not popular with normalfags. Normfags are playing Fortnite, GTAV and Candy Crush. The way BG3 went all-in on the degeneracy confirms that the freaks have taken over, and that dating sim romances were always favored by that demo. BG3 knew exactly what to deliver, and banked on the nerds having no other real choices for high-production value turn-based RPGs.

>>4114248
It's dating sim shit, cope. That's just the accurate term for it. It's not real romance.

>>4114247
>>4114252
Oh, and the other half of the picture is that gaming mag writers are squarely in the degenerates category, a fact that has been common knowledge for over a decade. So all the media freaks praised it to high heaven. TSR funding didn't hurt either, I'm sure.

>>4114254
Age of Decadence is unplayable without constant metagaming and Mitsoda is a dumbfuck

>>4114281
I'm not from rpg codex you schizo fuck, stop replying to me and take your meds.

>>4114322
SMA should be banned as soon as he's turned out to be a mentally ill tranny, but noooooo we don't do that here, we are a very inclusive community of bioware haters

>>4109498
Fpbp

>>4114492
BG2 romances are anti-white. Aerie is the bone they threw. The Viconia and Jaheira plotlines are blackpills meant to reduce the white birthrate.

>>4114498
Finally somebody makes sense itt

>>4109470
I think they're good ways to get to know Aerie's and Viconia's character, but I don't find the romance in itself that compelling.
I certainly felt for them, but the problem is that you're Gorion's ward and you don't have a lot of iconic and good lines, you pick from a bunch of shit that doesn't really convey much of a personality. You have to project a lot and headcanon to really make it work, which is good for roleplaying sure.
I don't know if interactive romances from other games really do it any better, it feels like you're just putting in the right code for it to work and romance is probably best shown as non interactive parts of games.

>>4109498
BG3 romance was peak.
Shadowheart is best girl.

>>4112354
>gnomes
only Aerie