Probably one of my favourite characters from the game. I really like Joyce, Sunday Friend and Trant, for their larger Moralintern worldbuilding.There’s just something about this guy, so alluring, quite so strange and sort of a beautiful mug. He’s based off of Tarmo Juristo, real Estonian activist, and Tarmo is also (Like Trant) a Martial Arts enthusiast (although Tarmo the guy might not be a recovering addict) I just have so many thoughts about this guy
don't think i ever even encountered this guy in my playthrough
oh wait, he's that rambly guy with a kid standing outside that one building? yeah, can't say he evoked much thought from me
>>4112908Not an RPG, not “hall of fame” worthy, its milquetoast takes on politics reek of cowardice and fear of taking a stand.It became popular because ensouled humans have been starved of anything that resembles art. They will gorge down and exhalt anything that looks like art, like a famished man will eat worms and grass.
>>4112908Oh, and I'm trans btw
>>4112908Trant is ok. Just ok. There doesn't seem to be much to look at with Trant, I don't know how you can have so many thoughts. His purpose in the game is very simple (and fundamental)I've also given it a lot of thought and I don't see the Moralintern as the villains the game makes them out to be. That is, the game projects this evil veneer onto the moralintern- and only presents caricatures on their behalf (the sunday friend and the very rich light-bending guy) and codes the organization as the puppeteers behind All The Bad Things, but it doesn't provide any rationale for their "evil." This transnational political organization of humanist values, parliamentary democracy, and incremental progress through technocratic governance is Le Evil because...??? Because bureaucratic authoritarianism can only be exclusive to the moralintern? Somehow despite making arguments about all the other sides of the political spectrum, it just doesn't make one about the Moralintern- it just fictions the Moralintern into existence, plays the villain music about them whenever it's on-screen, and that's it.I'm also lost on their intention with Joyce and Evrart Claire. When you get past the mask that Joyce wears, she doesn't get weaker, she gets stronger- she could save Martinaise, if not Revachol, if she had any fire of revolution in her. Evrart Claire has a fire for revolution, but beyond that, he's nothing but ugly underneath. I know it all had to be intentional choices by the authors to make them this way, but the contrast just leaves me scratching my head at what they were trying to say.
>>4113014>Not an RPG, not “hall of fame” worthy, its milquetoast takes on politics reek of cowardice and fear of taking a stand.>its milquetoast takes on politics reek of cowardice and fear of taking a stand.>ballwashing communism is considered centrism because he make a throwaway comment about it being gayNamefag is deeply retarded as always.
Every single character is a monomaniac who expounds on a political concept without a shred of personality. There's no downtime, only a factional worldview.
>>4114891The fuck does Cuno know what a rake is. Cuno's not a gardener!
>>4112908>Trant HeidelstamI played and finished Disco Elysium when it came out, and I cannot remember this character at all. Is this a shaggy dog joke?
>>4114898Trant doesn't matter until the ending. He's effectively a character stand-in that "rates" how well you did in the game. He's there to grade your test, interpret the results, etc. His actual job is a psychological consultant for the police. You can interact with him before that, he's hanging around past the fishing village staring at some buildings and going on about something that has zero relevance to the events of the game(could have possibly been DLC related).So yeah, he's relatively irrelevant. His real introduction happens after the actual game events are concluded, and the way he "grades" heavily adapts to how you played the game, right down to *how* you lost your memory (effectively making the cause of your memory loss retroactive, because his theory changes to match how you behaved after you lost your memory).
>>4114861>>4114891Reading these posts is deeply alienating. There's no shortage of "people" that played this murder mystery and got Disco Elysium Derangement Syndrome, because it mentions politics. The game is a walking simulator / whodunit, and one among its many gimmicks is providing surface-level jokes of major political ideologies. It's obviously played up for laughs, the developers don't seem to support one ideology over another, and it's not any deeper than that.Your taste is shit. Your reasoning when confronted with a work of digital art is putrid dogshit. You can't be ensouled human beings. You're insects, biomass, subhuman animals. I recommend never having an opinion on anything again. Just shut up and play games meant for you, like Wolverine, where you must follow a "scent trail", and you can't misinterpret the product.
the retard speaks
>>4114902>It's obviously played up for laughs, the developers don't seem to support one ideology over another, and it's not any deeper than that.
>>4114915They can say whatever they want, it always felt like within the work itself they were saying desperately clinging to these ideologies is for broken men who have lost control of their lives.
>>4114921The stance within the game is that everything is shit, but fascism is more shit than everything else.If anything it champions moralism more than communism because while it never accomplishes anything and everyone is miserable at least there aren't firing squads and genocides.
>>4113970Because the writers are clearly edgelord euroskeptic putinbots.
>>4112908About this game, how can anyone sympathize with any of the female characters? Klaasje is the worst case but even Harry's ex was a piece of shit. Harry's addicted to the al-gul because his child was murdered and he has to live with the person he loved the most in the world being the one who did it. It also says a lot about how she was when you finally let her leave but she still tries to get the last word in.
>>4114921Cope. This is just the same performative Nihilism championed by the likes of Rick and Morty fans/writers. The current state of the writer of DE gives context behind his mindset when writing this.The Author doesn't think this is a centrist game.Commies don't think that it is a centrist game.Right-wingers don't think that it is a centrist game.A namefag thinks it is a centrist game.What actual argument can you make for this game besides all of the tired cliches from journos?>>4114927The fact that Moralism is considered the "Centrist option" shows how far-Left the game actually is.
>>4114963The Dolores scene wasn't a flashback, it was a dream. That was stuff in his head. You can speak to his ex, actual, on the payphone, and she's nothing like that- she's exactly like a distant ex who's moved on, in another world, would be like when a clearly distraught lover from her past calls.The female characters are just as fine as the male characters. There's the dice maker, the fisherwoman you can go on a date with, JOYCE, the cryptozoologist's wife, the former operator of the whirling in rags. Klaasje is the worst of course, but she's also the center of the plot, so of course she is.
>>4114963>how can anyone sympathize with any of the female characters?Wow, you’re clearly only fascist because you hate women
>>4112908For me, it's René, the superior racisté.But for real, in the end he just seems sort of noble in ways that Measurehead could never be.I think it's this idea of sacrifice for his country that Measurehead could merely talk about but old René has actually done which sets them apart.
>>4115086Rene is also my favorite. I can't help but admire the grognard. It's made him miserable, but his commitment to fatalism has a kind of dignity. The monarchy failed, its defenders, including him, weren't strong enough. To try to wipe that slate would mean it all meant nothing. The kingdom of revachol had to be able to die, and its death has to be final, or nothing has any significance and it all means nothing. He'd rather wallow in his failure in a real world than choose to soften reality in any form. A mensh in his own way. Probably not a role model though. It's also neat how much he grinds on the deserter. Despite Rene's despair, he is still in the world. And the deserter hates him for it.
>>4115080I actually got mad after reading other people’s posts about how it’s the right thing to let Klaasje and Ruby go instead of arresting and attempting to arrest them because I expected interesting content to be unlocked only for me to get duped into letting them dodge all accountability for nothing in return
>>4113970>I'm also lost on their intention with Joyce and Evrart Claire. When you get past the mask that Joyce wears, she doesn't get weaker, she gets stronger- she could save Martinaise, if not Revachol, if she had any fire of revolution in her. Evrart Claire has a fire for revolution, but beyond that, he's nothing but ugly underneath. I know it all had to be intentional choices by the authors to make them this way, but the contrast just leaves me scratching my head at what they were trying to say.I took this as their respective institutions corroding and uplifting them respectively. Joyce could have been great if she didn't dedicate her life to banal evil and even someone like Evrart can be useful for the right cause.
>>4116085>accountabilityFascist!
>>4114902Now make your word salad into a 300 post thread and you've got the introduction to average Disco Elysium character after you ask them if they've seen the flying cryptozoology mosquito prick.
>>4113017Alright.
>>4113970The entire game takes place in a bombed out ruin which the moralfags have had control over for decades. There should probably be material evidence of their ideology’s superiority, no?
>>4113970It's been a while since I played this but the Moralintern is just a mask, the amalgamation of the Ultralib greediness and Dolores Dei ideology.Joyce is the clear example of that.>She could save Revachol [..]She is just an employee anon, her power amounts to hiring a couple of mercenaries/muscle in this caseYou need to understand Martinaise war was a civil war that was co-opted by the MoralInterm (Foreign power) and ended with the annexation/vassalage of the island.
>>4116188that's really insightful anon>>4125458>It's been a while since I played this but the Moralintern is just a mask, the amalgamation of the Ultralib greediness and Dolores Dei ideology.if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, is it not a duck? How does it matter what is beneath the mask>she is just an employeethen Evrart is just a really fat man>you need to understandyes I know it thoroughly, but (foreign power) and its (vassalage) doesn't make a statement in itself. at all. and with that>>4124996it's material evidence on the quality of the people living in martinaise. the deserter says exactly that, too, and he's been in position to see it. If your own experience through the game wasn't enough for you to see it too.
>>4114927>at least there aren't firing squads and genocidesone of the "endearing" quirks of PRACTICED communism is that there is always something available to shift the blame for brutality, including when one's own tribe has inflicted immeasurable damage on a population (as much through genocidal "social" praxis as through more flagrant massacres). foremost of these causes of course is capitalism. the fact that trant seems to touch on this in his dialogue in OP's pic will never change the actual behaviour of communists/marxists. they will deride the very antics that they continue to engage in. as long as there is the capability to churn out muh historical-material "critique" en masse with a straight face, you are in the green of the "consciousness" spectrum and you can do the very same thing you declare abhorring. compound this if you're the type who sees themself as larger-than-life and too cool for good and evil, which is how you end up with socialists/communists "managing" all sorts, a surprising range of "reactionary" ideologies in the shadows of society while meandering zombie faggots in their lower ranks with not half a brain pull off the lovey-dovey socialist act to win hearts and minds.and all of this jovial socialist faggorty is possible because they took an important word, and slapped "-ism" at its end. this is how you end up with creatures who could not be more alien to a thing taking ownership of that very thing.>>4114915and just as these flunkies so defiantly shout these totally forbidden names in this totally capitalistic society, let us state away our truth: the fact that foundations do not exist means that marxism as publicly formalized for more than a century is false.
Reminder that if you check the medicine cabinet for Klaasje’s gift after she escapes depending on your choices it’s implied Kim gets convinced by Harry to start doing speed.
>>4112908this whole game reads like an ironic lefty rant that somehow still manages to sound smug
>>4126644Somehow?
>>4113970IRL you can scratch any european and under a micron of paint they're in love with US state department style atlanticism so they can't come up with any real critique of it
>>4126748Because for a microstate like Estonia it’s the only thing keeping them from becoming just another oblast in Russia.
>>4126748>be country of 1-20 million people in Eastern Europe>entire national history is defined by various transgressions by Germany, Russia, and/or Turkey>some NATards show up and they kinda speak like fags but they offer a bright future in exchange for a bit of sovereignty>first time in your nation's history two consecutive generations have lived in anything approaching comfort and stabilityI wonder why.
>>4113970>This transnational political organization of humanist values, parliamentary democracy, and incremental progress through technocratic governance is Le Evil because...???Because every single one of these these things you listed are a sin against humanity itself. In fact I would even say these things are evil. For example, spartans had no problem with getting rid of the dysgenic genetic refuse in their societies, while moderns can't help but bend over backwards to appease every single immunocompromised mutant that wouldn't survive without modern medical intervention. While we may consider these societies to be brutal and unfair, in the long run they have a happier and more vital populace that are able to enjoy life instead of needing to contaminate the world with their slave morality.
>>4127208>spartans had no problem with getting rid of the dysgenic genetic refuse>people unironically believe the meme history of the SpartanslolGonna cite 300 next?
The Moralintern hiding things like contigency spreads, their containment of Pale and how Dolores Dei was actually some kind of inhuman monstrosity behind boring technocratic liberalism makes everything about them the most interesting parts of DE. Shame it'll never be expanded on.>>4127176>and/or TurkeyWait, what have the Turks ever done to Estonia?>>4127208Sparta is a bad example to use. Their society was retarded and inflexible and declined because they refused to adapt to changing circumstances and by the time of Alexander the Great they were treated as a joke.
>>4127485yeah i really wanted to pick up the estonian book that created the universe DE is set in for more crumbs of world lore but they never fucking translated it into english. i don't understand why.the witchman books were translated into english when the games blew upthe book expedition 33 was loosely inspired by just got translated into english after the game blew upwhy the fuck didn't this book get a translation. i know the devs imploded but the translation of the book wasn't up to them was it?
>>4127208>is Le Evil because... They just are, OK???
>>4127504Pretty sure that the reason it never got an official translation is that there's still a copyright dispute over who owns the world of Elysium, so neither ZAUM or Kurvitz are willing to touch it. There's fanmade translations though, and some of them are even decent.
>>4127485>by the time of Alexander the Great they were treated as a jokeThe Macedonians were famously afraid to fight them, and they were the only Greeks they didn’t subjugate.You’re thinking of a few hundred years later, with Rome.
>>412720818 year old anon reads a Nietzsche summary and lets it consume his personality. A terrible thing to see.
>>4127485>Wait, what have the Turks ever done to Estonia?Making more of a broad point about Central-East European countries, rather than Estonia specifically.
>>4113014>fear of taking a stand.this is how i know you did not play the game
>>4113970The moralintern is primarily concerned with culturally erasing the populations that are under its jurisdiction. It is quite literally a stand-in for modern globohomo. Their goal is to abolish indigenous cultural identities and sterilize the populace. They make the limbo-like rot of Martinaise infinitely worse because they're not there to rebuild, but to keep the people down.
>>4128456and this information is where, in the game?
>>4127990I played the game back when there wasn’t even a voiceover for most of the dialogue. I am an RPG connaisseur, and I am always years ahead of trends. By the time you subhuman insects catch up, games can only be enjoyed ironically.What stand did this game take, as evidenced by the game itself? You likely think it’s “woke”, because you read so on twitter. Or because the developers turned out to hate Trump, or whatever the fuck. You’re unable to look at a piece of art and judge it with your own eyes and brain.Cofnas is correct. The right wing is just a collection of medieval peasants with smartphones. You should leave the thinking to smarter men, like me, and just repeat my opinions.
>>4128466Dialogue with the Sunday Friend is the most illuminating on this, but it can be difficult to gather because there's a very narrow window when you can ask him about Moranintern goals and Kim has to be absent during this exchange. But yeah, they view indigenous cultures in itself as undesirable and encourage homosexuality for the purpose of destroying family units.
>>4128467Game by communistsThe devs stance is quite blatantVery dumb, you are
>>4128522The game is by communists but also communists who are deeply demoralized by the fall of the USSR and clearly see further attempts at communism to be futile.
>>4128467>Tell the Deserter you're a fascist/moralist>He tells you you're nothing but a meat shield the real fascists hide behind>Tell the Deserter you're a nationalist or that you don't care about politics>He calls you a lumpenprole>Tell the Deserter you're a communist>He tells you all the real communists are dead and you're just a poserPlus>The Deserter is the last real communist and he's a senile old man who only survived by cowardice>>4128879You can really tell the game was made by disaffected former Soviet bloc nationals.
>>4126184So many words to say so little
>>4128882You seem to be missing the point.
>>4136191>>4136280blowhard
Is Kim the worst straight man/party member in RPG history? He just lets you drug around and fuck things up, never tells you no, or anything. I actually don't understand why he's in the game, there's no combat for him to help in and he doesn't provide any party bonuses. He's not even funny or entertaining.
