What did you think of Pink? Was she worthy of being the final Shadow Crystal holder? If not, how would you improve her?
>>4125134I prefer this OP much more.
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>Deltarune threads are banned on /vrpg/, too nowRIP
>>4125145It's probably because the other thread had Political stuff in the OP or something.
>>4125146I dunno, there's been a wave of purism on /vrpg/ lately. "Action/RPG is not an RPG!", "RPGs where you can't level up are not RPGs!", "RPGs with elements of non-turn-based combat are not RPGs!", "RPG where you can't distribute points on level ups are not RPGs!", "RPGs where level-ups are scripted are not RPGs!", etc, etc.
>>4125146it was deleted because there already was deltarune thread in the catalog: >>4120316
>>4125146Yeah, that's most likely it. The OP was low quality bait.
>>4125146This.
>>4125148Wasn't that thread autosaging?
>>4125166Yet another evidence of /vrpg/'s purity spiral. At this point just rename it to /vrrpg/ already
They really want the Knight to be a badass DUDE specifically. Rudy is just carol knight for people that hate women being complex.Rudy knight is lowkey misogynistic bc why are ppl s obsessed with trying to prove the knight isn't a womanCool as fuck art, shame the entire concept behind Rudy Knight is both misogynistic *and* ableist. He's deathly sick. He can barely stand. His entire PURPOSE in the story is that he's powerless. Subverting that by making him the Knight, while also undermining both other female candidates for no reason but a shitty twist, makes *no* sense.Rudy knight is a deliberate act of misogyny and noelleknight is failing the realize the knight isn't the most important element to the story. I'd say the latter is, while obtuse, more excusable.
>>4125179You put effort into this bait, so you get a (You). Keep trying anon.
>>4125180>You put effort into this bait,anon, he literally copypasted shit from somewhere else
>>4125179Where did you get this from?
>>4125179I don't care if Rudy Knight wins, I just need Dess Knighters to lose.
>>4125183Tumblr, Bluesky, Reddit, and Twitter.
>>4125134I'm not a fan of how any of the shadow crystal holders were handled after chapter 2. RK Gerson and Pink are enjoyable boss fights but the characters don't really "fit" into the role of chapter superboss the way that Jevil and Spamton did. They aren't characters created for the purpose of being a secret boss nor do they have the gimmick where you get a different item depending on how you beat them, which I liked.
>>4125187Toby never had a complete and clear vision of how the Shadow Crystals should be handled. Jevil at first didn't give out the Crystal and Spamton wasn't even supposed to be here, it was supposed to be METTATON.
>>4125187Great point. However,
>>4125134>If not, how would you improve her?If you beat her with violence you get a weapon with ludicrously high stats, but it's unobtainable because she's immune to damage.
>>4125187Chapter 3 was okay in my eyes since you had two bosses (mantle and the knight). I would have been fine with gerson too if there was another secret boss along with him like in chapter 3, it also doesnt help that gerson's fight is kind of badly designed so it isnt really fun on a keyboard. I guess you could count the mikes as the other secret boss but that fight is shit on so many levels, I would have prefered an actually good mike fight or some other boss instead of what we got. Pink seems like a whole new low but I havent actually finished chapter 5 so Im not sure.
Is Gerson Deltarune's Gaster?
Something big is about to begin. See you guys in about a week or so.
>>4125207Please don't provoke another 9/11, anon. The first one was a good prank but it got old.
>>4125207Please don't die and don't kill anyone either.
>>4125205No, he's Deltarune's Gerson.
>>4125184Why?
>>4125198>a weapon with ludicrously high statsFloweryScarf already exists. It's a weapon you can never use.
>>4125227Because Dess Knight is popular and well supported, which means it must be wrong. If it isn't, that means Toby isn't changing the game out of spite for popular theories.
>>4125231All Dess Knight theories are so lame. Even if Dess is somehow related to the knight, I trust Toby will implement it much better than theorists.
>>4125227It makes no logical sense and is based on vibes. Making it function would require gigantic asspulls.
>>4125236You only think it's lame because it's popular, and it's popular because it's obviously true. What isn't obvious is why and how Dess became the knight. If Toby intended the knight's identity to be a secret he wouldn't have given it fucking antlers or had it pull out a baseball bat that turns into a sword.
>>4125242Yeah. It's obviously Rudy use a bat in remembrance of his daughter.
The only plausible Knight candidates are Asriel or Dess (or Shadow based on one of them).1) The modern Knight is obviously the member of the roleplay gang (Kris, Dess, Noelle, Asriel), because all Dark Worlds are based on roleplay from that time. This filters out Carol, Rudy, Alphys, Papyrus, etc.2) The Knight knew Gerson in life. This filters out Kris and Noelle.So only Asriel and Dess are left.
>>4125179Unironically this is true because Rudy Knight is basically Walter White
>>4125247It's Dess because Toby already did the surprise Asriel final boss gimmick in Undertale.
Knight is Noelle. And Alvin created ch4 Dark World. If Kris can run around, opening Dark Worlds, why not other fountain openers?>but ch5 dialoguehe lied
>>4125227Dess Knighters are annoying, just like Kris Knighters before them.
>>4125254That's the most lame excuse I've ever heard. Undertale was just a preview of Deltarune, remember? There's tons of 2010s songs that he later revealed that they came from Deltarune, there's no reason to believe that Asriel Angel didn't originally come from Deltarune, too.
>>4125255Bro, even reddit can debunk you. Fuck off.
>>4125256You guys are gonna die when Tralseitruthers win
>>4125179>why are ppl s obsessed with trying to prove the knight isn't a womanBecause I cannot take the character seriously its a woman, much less a teenage girl.
>>4125258>No argument
>>4125242A baseball bat made of glass
>>4125259Ralsei would be revealed to be originally genderless, and that he later chose to be male. Bluesky will clap, saying that Ralsei is AtM trans, that he transitioned from agender to male, and he have "he/him" pronouns, bla-bla-bla.
>>4125257Asriel's role was given to a brand new character, Dess, because he used Asriel for Undertale. Major Undertale characters play secondary roles in Deltarune hence this is most likely
Guys...
>>4125264>Major Undertale characters play secondary rolesAnon, I... >>4125134
>>4125264WhyI dont.care about dessI cannot accept Ganondorf or an eqivalent character being made into a teenage girl
>>4125266She's an optional boss.
>>4125266Mew Mew is an option boss fight for the Switch release of Undertale. How is that a major role.
>>4125255Alvin is irrelevant. Let it go.
>>4125270>optionalAnon, it's a mandatory mini-boss, similar to Muffet.
>>4125273I was talking about Pink's role in Deltarune.
>>4125247gerson was a well known public figure and lived in hometown him dying before kris and noelle were old enough to attend his class does not mean they never met him, especially when we know that noelle was an avid fan of the dragon blazers games that he had a hand in making both direct and indirectly
>>4125278The knight's relationship with Gerson was clearly more personal than that.
>>4125278Dragon blazers is not Lord of the hammer. Zero evidence Noelle likes Lord of the hammer exists
>>4125271Fucker got THREE whole fights across both games. And the only other utdr character that got that many fights is a certain dumb goat and even he didn't go as far since his first fight was literally just the tutorial.
What if Gerson discovered they made a really shitty Hammers of Power streaming show and lost faith in his convictions about storytelling
>>4125281dragon blazers is an adaptation of lord of the hammer, gerson says as much in ch4he's also clearly knowledgeable enough about it to be able to somewhat talk about it with susie
>>4125282Are you really suggesting Asriel and Mad Dummy are equally important because we technically are in a battle with them the same number of times?
>>4125282Asriel is the most important character in Undertale's story and Mew Mew is literally a filler add in
>>4125279yes but unfortunately only two characters are ever described as having any sort of relationship with gersonthose are alvin and asriel, we know fuck all about how anyone else relates to him, including ms boom
>>4125285I'm just saying she sure had a lot of focus for something that was meant to be a minor role.
>>4125287But we do know it's more unlikely anyone Kris' age or under would relate to him, otherwise that information would be pointless
>>4125290it is unlikely, yes, but since toby is allergic to having his characters actually say anything we're stuck with not really knowing who gerson could've been referring to when he says susie is similar to someone he once knew and what his relationships were like in life he could've been talking about bratty for all we know
>>4125260The Knight does chuuni anime poses all the time and is shown to be impulsive enough to open a fountain when taunted by Susie and bumping face first into a wall like a moron, if the Knight is an adult that'd be very embarrassing. This looks like cringe teen behavior to me. Which would perfectly fit Carol
>>4125293Don't make your world ending threat a teenage girl, don't do it, there are no stakes anymore after that
>>4125295>stakes only exist if my specific tastes about the antagonist are pandered toThe story is about teenagers already retard.
>>4125295The Knight doesn't seem to be trying to end the world and Dess would be an adult by now. Did you even play the game?
>>4125295It's almost like the big bad who erased reality in Undertale was a psycho little human girl or something
>>4125293it also fits what we know of noelle, as some of her unused lines take on a more chuuni edge to them, like her telling kris to use the '1000 moon crescent slash'crescent slash is also an unused knight attack
>>4125295anon a teenage girl having the potential to end the world is a fairly old trope at this point
>>4125291Gerson is so old he could have been talking about Carol when she was younger.
>>4125303exactlywe have no idea who he was talking about, because toby refused to have him specify anything
>>4125293>if the Knight is an adult that'd be very embarrassing.so? most monsters act like that, plus, i can see rudy being all cocky like that
>>4125296Yeah, pander to my tastes or I won't like your gameThe Knight should foremost be a MAN
>>4125295Raped by teen girls.
>>4125310Why do you take every thing someone doesn't like about a game as rape?
>>4125298To be fair Asriel is the actual big bad, but he was a little boy so not much changes.
>>4125311It's funny.
>>4125311Anon raped you
>>4125247Get some more invested theories.>SURVEY_PROGRAM KnightIntro and Goner Maker is remarkably forgotten/not touched upon so far, do you even remember who you built all these years later? The game sure does.>Chara KnightThe world is a game and the big dick is back in town. It would fit all the abductions and attempts including Gerson due to the beef from UT's genocide route interaction.>Nothingburger Knight / Bullet Pattern KnightAsriel never existed. Dess never existed. They only -exist- as backstory. The That Day is the start of the game which -made- everyone into who they are. The big reveal will be that when the characters get to the out-of-gameboard/backside reality they will find out there is no trace of their existence. Knight is Kris coping about not remembering them and mixes them both while drawing a blank.Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>4125317I personally subscribe to "DEVICE Ralsei" theory. ch1 main menu design is original Gaster design, post-ch1 main menu design is Ralsei prettifying himself.
>>4125317>SURVEY_PROGRAM KnightWe call that Vessel Knight.
>>4125311Toby metaphorically put the thornring on me when i played his game
>>4125305I don't think Rudy is that much of a moron. Almost all Knight theories fall into the problem of the Knight being a mostly well-adjusted person integrated into Hometown society while looking like an absolute idiot running into walls, getting heated at teenagers and hiding in closets as part of their stupid plan. I can only imagine Carol or Dess being autistic or stunted enough to do what the Knight does. At least they COULD find some twisted good in the weird route happening in the fountain they created, if it's Rudy this is the SECOND time he's unknowingly endangered his daughter (if he is the original Knight who made the That Day fountain)
>>4125323>I can only imagine Carol or Dess being autistic or stunted enough to do what the Knight does... Carol?
>>4125323What the fuck are you even saying? Roaring Knight's behavior is pretty on-par with adult JRPG antagonists.
>>4125320TRANCED & PROCEEDEDlmao
>>4125255Alvin's Will is identical to that of Kris and Knight?
>>4125329No? Did you see ch4 Dark World, it's different from all other Dark Worlds.
>>4125318I used to have a similar theory before ch3/4 released because I was searching for who the non-Gaster chapter select voice could belong to and Ralsei seemed like he fit, I haven't revisited it though. I can see it as one of the options for what Ralsei is
>>4125330But the lighting in Dark and Third Sanctuary is the same as Kris and Knight Dark Worlds. If Alvin's will differed, the lighting would be off, like Susie's Second Sanctuary.
>>4125330the only dark world that is noticeably different from the rest is susie's second sanctuary all the others are functionally identical asides from some darkner behaviour and every fountain is either shown to be kris' or heavily implied to have been made by the knight
>>4125333Not really, we can't really compare because ch4 didn't feature Kris' dark world.>but character sprites!character sprites is a moot point because three fountain openers (Kris, Knight, and PLAYERTown's opener) have identical character sprite palette. Kris and Knight have SLIGHTLY different colors for ch5 backgrounds, but character sprites are identical.
>>4125329The real problem with Alvin making the Dark Sanctuary is that his entire conflict with Gerson is how he thought he could never live up to his father and stopped writing as a result, only to then hypothetically go on to make a fantasy world in his church by his own will. The (subpar) resolution in the church in ch5 is no longer a resolution of Susie writing the letter and encouraging Alvin, because he already developed the confidenceon his own to "pick up the pen" and make a dark fountain out of nowhere.
>>4125338Pretty much. If anything, if Alvin DID make a Dark World in the church, then the Gerson Dustner would be corrupted and end up like the statue from Susie's Second Sanctuary, a malicious being who mocks and harasses Alvin because of his insecurities about being able to live up to Gerson's legacy.No, whoever Knight is, they're someone who utterly reveres Gerson with no conflicting thoughts, and knows him both for who he was in real life prior, and as a fantastical, legendary version of himself.
how upset would you be if it turns out the knight is just a manifestation of the prophecy that exists solely to make the prophecy happen
>>4125338Alvin didn't make the fountain and there's no reason to think he did. Gerson's ashes were inside his desk all along because he couldn't part with them due to his unresolved feelings, that's what he was mumbling about in the cemetery in Chapter 2, that he didn't properly bury the ashes and kept them, hence it wasn't the right thing to do. Gerson appearing in the church dark world was more or less an accident as it's unlikely the Knight knew of this fact
>>4125341Not even mad at all, because Toby's made it impossible to find any Knight candidate convincing other than Abnormal Dess, and Abnormal Dess is basically "Knight is Knight" with extra steps and muh Kris parallels because wooooooow Knight has its own separate entity hijacking its life and making its priorities difficult to accomplish, so kino!
>>4125341annoyed that toby felt the need to hide it's identity for so long the knight being a physical manifestation of the prophecy could've brought some interesting things to the table about how characters feel about fate and destiny, but if toby waits to save it until the end those conversations never happen
>>4125341Really upset because that would've made for a cool antagonist if it didn't make the dark worlds completely meaningless
>>4125329No, Alvin is irrelevant and it will never make a Dark Fountain. Alvinfags are the most pathetic characterfags in this game.
>>4125347The entire game is meaningless, 6 chapters of stalling and diversions because Chapter 7 is the only part of the game that's allowed to matter because of "muh spoilers" and a fear born of insecurity that the story is so predictable that knowing even one thing with certainty that isn't "Kris wants to kill himself REALLY badly, guys" could somehow let you perfectly guess what the fever dream ending will be years before it happens, years before you have the full picture.
The Knight is 99% likely to be Dess because Toby is a themes and parallels oriented writer more than an intricate plot writer. This is just the Tobi mystery again.
>>4125351Why is he like thisWhy is it such a big deal to know the ending, i know the ending of all the games i play before I play them
>>4125341Wouldn't mind if the Knight dies in 6.
>>4125352the knight being dess makes everyone an asshole for not telling noelle that she can see her sister again
>>4125353because it's le epic fever dream ending that has never been done before and is the reason why he makes games to begin with pay no attention to him outright saying that another game was very similar to it (yiik) back in 2014 or how he's obsessed with the idea of the pc vs the player and how the only winning move is to not play the game
>>4125357It only makes Kris an asshole, but we already knew that so it doesn't change anything at all
>>4125357But who said Dess wants to see Noelle?
>>4125357It's obviously a Flowey situation where her mind was raped and she's turned rotten, there's a reason Abnormal Dess is the prevailing belief over "Dess consciously chose to become the harbinger of the apocalypse and is totally having the time of her life building up to the events that will cause The Roaring and completely rape everyone she knew and loved."
>>4125352>scrap "the bad guy is Asriel" from Deltarune 2012 so it can be used in Undertale>now have a big hole on who your bad guy should be>make it a character who has spiritually identical circumstances to Flowey so it might as well just be Asriel Knight as was originally planned, and also contribute to Kris's character in a way that means something, because the game can't actually decide whether Kris cares about Dess or not whereas we KNOW he deeply cares for AsrielWhat a dipshit.
>>4125365Is "Dess was fucked up by her time in the dark, but is still consciously reveling in taking the villain role in her plan to ultimately save the world via final tragedy" Abnormal Dess or Normal Dess?
>>4125373Abnormal Dess, nothing about how Knight functions is standard Dark World powers and it's implied their Light World appearance is identical to their Dark World appearance, most powers included, hence being able to restrain Undyne, who can bench press cars, and lift a total fucking fatass like Asgore.
>>4125362Deport this piece of shit.
>>4125341Then i would ask why Gerson said "It could start the Roaring at any time yet it didn't. Wonder why..."
>>4125368>whereas we KNOW he deeply cares for AsrielMaybe it's just me but I got the impression Kris' feelings for his brother aren't that straightforward.
>>4125380Well, yes, he's wracked with guilt because he considers himself solely responsible for THAT DAY. You know, the day that made the events that ruined Asriel's love life and made it so he has to brave college alone, with no familiarities to provide comfort and relief aside from phone calls and video chats.
>>4125362>yiikguess it's time to finally play that thing
>>4125342>Gerson's ashes were inside his desk all along because he couldn't part with them due to his unresolved feelingsDo you even hear yourself? It's equivalent of "Gerson's corpse was on his couch all along because he couldn't part with it due to his unresolved feelings". Susie and Kris' reaction clearly show it's not treated like IRL ashes, it's treated like a corpse. It's fucked up, it's illegal, he would be arrested and put in jail, and then would be put in asylum on top of that.
>>4125384>it's illegalYou don't know that. Nowhere in the game is it stated. You're applying your own understanding of real life logic onto a world of fiction that does not always abide by reality.
>>4125357Only Kris is the asshole here and that's canon.
>>4125384There is nothing illegal about keeping the cremated ashes of your passed away relatives in your house
>>4125389
>>4125394I want to have sex with this artist's Kris.
>>4125397These are the interactions Toby is ROBBING us of by keeping Papyrus and Dess IN HELL.
>>4125389Cute Frisk in the back.
>>4125397Oh, it's Kris. I don't think the age gap between them is that big.
>>4125341I'd feel absolutely vindicated
>>4125379Because the prophecy has to be fulfilled first.You can't just start The Roaring ASAP or the prophecy will sperg out and reset reality, because Jockington does not yet have the chance to grow the beard.
The fact that all the characters have canon instruments associated with them makes me think it's a bit of a missed opportunity to not have a character's sound play when they make an attack, like how Mother 3 works
>>4125134>What did you think of Pink? Second or third most fun battle in the game so far. Also hot.>Was she worthy of being the final Shadow Crystal holder? Hell the fuck no. She was a Trashy Trio tier joke fight, after everything that came before her. Absolute retarded concept.>If not, how would you improve her?Take the all the secret boss stuff out of her and come up with something more original or meaningful for that spot. One example among many possibilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xKwlGqGOMThen make Pink be the Berdly of chapter 5 and goof around with everyone else, including Asgore. Take all the gags about Flowery hitting on him and give them to her, for example.
>>4125414That would've been cool, like the cd bagels but better
>>4125414Toby doesn't want to lay on the unoriginality TOO thick, otherwise people will be even more likely to predict the extremely telegraphed "the 'best' ending is the world being consumed in LIGHT instead of darkness (you can now IMAGINE what happens next per my blessings)" outcome.
>>4125288That's because Toby REALLY wants her to be popular (it will never happen)
>>4125415>Maddie hits on Asgore>Pink hits on Kris...is male oyakodon a thing?
>>4125420might as well make it be
Why does Chara have that huge blush on their sprite anyways?
>>4125351>Kris wants to kill himself REALLY badly, guys>>4125362Reminder that Yiik's final boss is Alex against himself so much so that people theorize that the whole thing isn't actually conscious, but it's a manifestation of Alex losing all of his friends on New Year 2000 due to his own retardation and ego fucking up everything>>4125383The one thing that makes YIIK more enjoyable than Deltarune is its protagonist being a millenial beta male instead of a zoomer androgynous cuck
>>4125422Because Porky, probably
>>4125423alex can also find sammy behind the tree once reality starts collapsing, she's out of view until spoken to much like the man
>>4125393Did not read the comment award
>>4125417I doubt it's that because too much light is basically our reality flooding in and erasing Deltarune.
>>4125415>One example among many possibilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xKwlGqGOM [Open]A red flower based on Frisk/Chara would reveal too much lore on his precious babies and Kris which is why it must be replaced with the anime catgirl that subtly implies all of this instead.
>>4125422Because horror
>>4125422MOTHER reference, every Earthbound character has that blush.
Eram gave birth theory.
>>4125430Then just make anything else a secret boss, not the random fucker who already had two complete unique battles in Undertale.
>>4125427Toby and the brothers have been taking the same classes in storytelling
>>4125434Yeah, they gave birth to ANTSBut sure, I'll believe it.
I liked Pink as the boss :)
>>4125134Pink was fine as a boss but she did not deserve a shadow crystal, let alone being the final shadow crystal holder. Anyone else would've been a better end for this quest. I pray we get a Seam fight (unlikely) so the quest isn't topped off with an Undertale rehash that doesn't fit at all with the rest of the bosses.
>>4125430>would reveal too much lore on his precious babiesWhat kind of artist doesn't want to gush about his OCs??????
>>4125436the perspective comment is interesting, as we know for a fact that (you) only being able to see in the top down angle is diagetic and everyone can look around properly makes me wonder what is hiding just out of view, because we know for a fact that kris would hide shit from us like that
>>4125438Me too, everyone did. The problem is not the fight or the character, but that everyone was expecting a schizo boss like Jevil, Spamton or ERAM.
>>4125446I'm pretty sure the Seam fight for the pure Crystal can be schizo enough.
>>4125429Well you can't create a new future from Deltarune unless you say "it's been unleashed from the game. pick up the white pen of hope and write your own story" because Deltarune is so baked into knowing its a game that it has to acknowledge that the "new future" has been there all along, rather than being newly created.
>>4125444Toby Fox, who didn't mind letting the internet decide Chara is the devil incarnate for a full 10 years before finally speaking up about her.
>>4125450that would've been spoilers, anonanyways, i hope you're ready for toby to never clarify all the bullshit he adds in ch6 and 7 until the undertale 30th anniversary where they talk about deltarune for some reason
>>4125446>The problem is not the fight or the character, but that everyone was expecting [something better and meaningful]
>>4125435Toby needed his anime girl in the anime chapter and if Maddie wasn't there the parallel would be incomplete.
>>4125446No one was expecting schizos anymore because Knight and Gerson thoroughly deconstructed the belief.They just wanted a good sendoff to the Shadow Crystal quest that tied everything together, especially when it's likely we won't be able to make the Pure Crystal into Chapter 7 since it's an obvious candidate for achieving the Golden Ending.
>>4125444Toby, who rejects any popular deals out of autism like getting his characters in Fortnite unlike other indie devs.
>>4125445Thing is I like great design ideas in games and YIIK and Deltarune (a bit less) are full of them, but I also want your story to be readable and easy to understand, everybody knows abstract art sucks and for a reason
>>4125461Ralsei will get a skin in Fortnite, I believe in Toby
>>4125456JUST MAKE AN ORIGINAL ANIME GIRL THEN
>>4125444Toby, who gets mad where his musical motifs are used by other devs or when fans use Occam to give a certain interpretation to a motif but we were missing information so that he has to insist it was never there
>>4125464yeah, i think the flaw comes from the writers thinking that they're smarter than they really are than that everyone will be impressed in reality people are annoyed because the writers, deliberately or not, fail to add in things that make sense to the player because they didn't create the story from the ground upthe vagueposting makes sense to toby because he knows what they're talking about, but is infuriating to us because we don't same will the record quest in yiik, it made sense to the guys writing the game because it makes alex looks look like a retard again, but to the player it's a massive waste of time and requires deliberately misleading the player to accomplish it
>>4125456>if Maddie wasn't there the parallel would be incompleteEnough. My dick is parallel to Toby's mouth and he's the one getting raped tonight.
Why are Krisfags like this?https://youtu.be/lDbu9gSLjrE
>>4125471>the record questI didn't mind that tbfh, it felt straight out of a 90’s JRPG, I've never played Earthbound but I imagine it's full of this shit, Zelda is, too. What’s most jarring to me though is that every aura cinematic thing is not diegetically explained, like hello? Why is this town suddenly abducted by titans? Why is this one a shade of blue? Why is this one fuchsia?
>>4125474Holy based
>>4125468But how can he achieve Undertale fanservice without Mew Mew? Remember, there's more Undertale fanservice fights for Shadow Crystal holders than not.>Spamton NEO fulfills the "I want a REAL Mettaton NEO fight" desire>Gerson fulfills the "I want a Gerson fight after learning how badass he was in Genocide, to know he can use game mechanics to keep himself alive, which he ALSO used to survive the war" desire>Pink fulfills the "I want to fight Mad Mew Mew in an official capacity but I don't own a Nintendo Switch" desire>Knight fulfills the "I want to fight something adjacent to the Absolute God of Hyperdeath without the plot armor that makes me unkillable" desire
>>4125480How about he sucks my dick to give me fanservice? Heh. Didn’t think of that, huh?
The homosexual™
>>4125484He did, throughout all of Undertale, where you're treated as the wonder miracle child who makes everything perfect or terrible according to your whims.
>>4125480Jevil was ZERO Undertale fanservice besides having a vague relation to Gaster.People loved Spamton because he was Spamton first and foremost, NO ONE was complaining "Spamton ruined what was supposed to be just Mettaton NEO!"Knight and Eram have no relation to the TV World, Gerson was a good concept ruined because he also took all his edge, and Pink is just completely unnecessary and out of place.
Reminder that NEO never lost in a1v1 fight
>>4125179i like rudy knight more than carol knight because it adds more tension to the storycarol hasn't had any moments in the game other than telling susie to leave her house, asgore to eat outside and that kris is welcome there (all evidence carol is cold blooded and evil btw)
>>4125491Yeah because NEO in all it's fights across UTDR never fought a character 1v1, since you know...the soul and Kris are two different entities.
The Shadowcrystals don't have a pattern since the moment Jevil was retconned into receiving a crystal, nor the shadow crystal bosses have a coherent theme that fits them all together without reaching. Even the Freedom motif is made fun of and not all of them have it.
>>4125476i don't mind the concept of the record quest, but i feel like there should've been a line alerting the player that alex didn't bother reading the thing ahead of time
>>4125474>You boys or girlsKris is a boy or girl. He's binary but under an or function.
>>4125493IN A [1 for 1] BATTLE, NEO NEVER LOSES
>>4125489Yes, because Jevil came before the Shadow Crystals were conceived. Deltarune objectively changed course between Chapter 1 and 2.
Imagine how good DR would've been if Toby read a book in his life instead of making a game based on games made by people who read books.
>>4125494>Freedom motifWhy is it missing in only one? it triggers my tism. I guess you could argue the knight doesn't have it because it isn't actually a secret boss but what about ERAM?
>>4125499IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE [Bluelight Specil]
>>4125495Idk man I went in expecting nothing and I found it funny. To be fair I think that's the charm of having a voiced narrating protagonist, it’s that you can just ignore when he's being retarded because he’s not strictly your self-insert. Also in I.V I'm assuming this is like half as long?
>>4125504It's a motif that genuinely means nothing. It's not the Shadow Crystal motif because Knight doesn't use it, it's not the general bonus boss motif because ERAM doesn't have it, its entire existence boils down to "Toby thought it sounded neat."
>>4125504Because ERAM doesn't seems to be much about Freedom. Mantle can only be completed one way and Side B must be followed in a specific way, not offering much freedom in how you do it.
>>4125494Tony really just said "fuck consistency give me my 20$" and left it at that
>>4125513Based Toby!
>>4125511What if it's the fat little man motif- wait no Pink used it too. Uhh weebs are (spiritually) fat little men and Pink is a weeb so she gets the motif. Boom motif solved.
>>4125504>>4125511toby doesn't have the same motif autism that you do
>>4125517Is Battat fat?
>>4125519He wears a fatsuit for his Mike cosplay
>>4125518He used to, but he lost it when he stopped giving an earnest shit about his supposed dream game, because he grew insecure that all anyone saw Deltarune as was "Undertale 2", even though it's entirely his fault because he was over-reliant on Undertale memberberries and mechanics.
>>4125519Battat is you so yes
>>4125521>He used toSource on your claim?
>>4125521>He used to, but he lost it when he stopped giving an earnest shit about his supposed dream game, because he [headcanon]Here's mine: because he got prescribed SSRIs and estrogen and that has affected his capacity for reasonable judgement
>>4125523The whole of Undertale? Motif autism was aggressively present in that game.
>>4125523Just look up motif autism in Undertale and hell, even in Homestuck
just close your eyes and IMAGINE how better things could have been
>>4125468Mew Mew is the Undertale anime girl so he can't. Plus having to fight actual Mew Mew would've been pretty cool and unique.
>>4125531you guys will keep dying on the weakest hillsall he had to do was to give another shadow crystal to some new weirdo and win over everyone
>>4125531Yeah, but if you fought Darkner Mew Mew on her own, everyone would complain that it's not Mad Mew Mew and that they still have to buy the Switch version of Undertale if they want to fight her to any official capacity because Toby said Undertale is a done game and won't be updated anytime soon.And Toby is very, very sensitive about people complaining. So he pre-emptively satisfied them by making sure it was reheated nachos.
>>4125427Relevant to the YIIK conversation we were having:https://youtu.be/phxRnntXRUw
>>4125497That's a canon line by Lancer, anon.
>>4125504It probably was never a thing. Spamton would've had it because of Jevil connection, Toby added it to Gerson and Mew Mew because it got popular but since Black Knife was made in 2018 he couldn't change it.
>>4125521It might have been a case the motif tism tired him out. Considering there are a lot of tracks he has composed for Deltarune many years ago, he wants to put them in when appropriate and didn't think of mashing them all together in a thematic motif string. Like sunset of seven suns was made over ten years ago, and black knife was made in 2018.This piece of dialogue is him venting over it https://youtu.be/0fImFxZT8G4?t=2103
>>4125533I'm not dying, I'm just explaining his thought process.
>>4125534Anon the problem isn't the ghost or the catgirl, it's them being THE final shadow crystal after everything we went through.Just make them a midboss and give the crystal to someone else.
>>4125537As much as I would've liked for Toby to keep to his vision if this was the case, the freedom motif part in Gerson's battle theme is REALLY good and I'm glad we have it in this timeline
>>4125538>venting over the shit that made him famousreal lame
>>4125540But there's no one else left who'd be a sufficient Undertale memberberry, because Sans, Papyrus, Goner Kid and the Gaster Followers are off-limits, and Asgore isn't allowed to be cool.
>>4125543He has no one to blame but himself for not sticking true to his original plan of leaving us with ONLY Chapter 1 until the full game was complete, that way he could tweak everything to his absolute liking and create a perfectly good, timeless product instead of something that can't stay consistent about anything other than "the story can't actually begin until Chapter 7 because I don't want you to figure out what happens until it happens because I'm really self-conscious about how good of a writer I really am and if you can predict what happens then that means I'm a bad writer because the internet taught me that predictability is a sin."But the merch money was too good, and he needed more quirk chunguses and more silly outfits to put Ralsei into for more sales, so he had to go ahead and shove out Chapter 2 anyway.
Can't wait for the ending of Deltarune to be leaked because of like one of the devs using AI
>>4125549I'd help Kris gas all the humans and we could commit suicide together after failing to invade the ice palace
>>4125545Deltarune without the chapter release format would've been canceled or released in 2030
>>4125556>b-but it could've been canceled!!!So it's not actually Toby's dream game that inspired him to take up serious gamedev because he doesn't actually care enough to push through the long term development? Damn, sounds like he lied about everything.>2030You say that like we aren't already primed to wait until 2028 or 2029 for this far shittier version of the game.
>>4125557You're a little too raped for this conversation
>>4125559Go donate to BLM again, I hear the Islamic terrorists need more funds for weapons so they can slaughter more infidels.
>>4125525>>4125526what's the meaning of the main theme showing up during the cooking show minigame then retard
>>4125562Because it's the UNDERTALE motif. It means you're playing Undertale, retard.
>>4125562It represents Mettaton's commercializing takeover of the Underground's culture, using the theme of the royals and mosnterkind as a whole for his flashy, gaudy bullshit.
What characters weigh more than 400 pounds?
>>4125570ralsei (forma de titan)
>>4125570Noelle (forma de gato)
>>4125570Any of them if you're not a fucking coward
Deltarune will end with Susie revealing herself as a virus that was created to self insert itself as the main character and tell the player that they don't deserve to self insertWouldn't be the first time something like this happened.
>>4125582And then Gaster appears and says all of this is your fault because you couldn't just stop being so obsessed with him in Undertale, and not every secret needs to have an answer or solution.
>>4125582But that tone implies every way Deltarune deviates from the norm is a direct attack on the player, which is infantile.
>>4125595But it is though
>>4125595It's not infantile when the game hasn't thrown the player a singular bone.Kris hates you, Ralsei is scared of you, Susie doesn't know you exist, Noelle will be USED UP before she learns you were the real reason Kris started changing, the closest anyone else gets to acknowledging you is Gaster (who will never appear, he will remain glowing text for the entire run of the game to preserve the entire allure of his existence) and briefly Pink, but only if you beat her using Meaner Bombs.
>>4125540Toby added Mad Mew Mew specifically to Snowdin so that she could be 5's boss to fit reverse ut.
>people are finally waking up
>>4125603Look forward to UNRELATED in 2045, which will DEFINITELY give us Sans's origins for real this time!
>>4125604and reveal Mike
>>4125605Mike is already solved, he's Dess's microphone. When Dess "left", so did Mike, because now Dess wasn't around anymore to bring her microphone to the Dreemurr residence.It's all parallels, Mike "left" because of THAT DEAL that Spamton had no choice but to take, just like how Dess "left" because of THAT DAY, and the promise that Kris had no choice but to uphold.
And another HURRAH to this march into certain disappointment that chapter 6 will be
>>4125607 (You)
>>4125530A man can dream
>>4125610That's also a part of it. The Mikes are overcomplicating the mystery by assuming it's some grandiose mystery, when the correct answer is the simplest, it's just that they aren't privy to those simple details because they weren't there for it, so they have to IMAGINE what happened, and let their imaginations run wild.Chapter 7 will show just how simple the mystery actually was by finally telling us what happened on THAT DAY right before we enter the shelter. This too was foreshadowed through the Mike Mystery, given we learn from Tenna's game sprite in MANTLE on Board 3, right before we enter the ingame shelter, that what happened between him, Spamton and Mike was a situation that Spamton had no agency over.
>>4125609My expectations for 6 are pretty much nonexistent, the only way toby could disappoint me is if its as bad or somehow WORSE than 5.
>>4125617>if its as bad or somehow WORSE than 5.what are your specific standards here?
>>4125497>boys or girls does Lancer know about the SOUL
>>4125603Sans and Papyrus are from Mancountry.
>>4125611He said better, dude.
>>4125570Asgore MetatonKnight KnightMaybe Toriel
>>4125269Reverse for me, the thought of a middle aged man with two kids doing the shit the knight does is js unbearable
>>4125269But you could accept Undertale's villains being a 12 year old goat boy reshaped into a dinky flower and a 12 year old human?
>>4125625And it is, it would have been adorable. I would have liked it therefore I think it’s better.
>>4125619more shit writing, more "good" gameplay, more underwhealming music, more quirk chugus self masturbatory humor, no weird route or twisted sword route, we still have no idea whats going on, nothing interesting happens, big cliffhanger into a long wait (chapter 7 will probably take a while)... Could go on forever
>>4125636>shit writingGuaranteed due to Suselle focus>"good" gameplayGuaranteed due to confirmation of gimmicks>underwhelming musicGuaranteed because Toby needs to save his composition chops and budget for Chapter 7>more quick chungusGuaranteed, he's already teasing Mike Trio content on Bluesky>no alt routesGuaranteed, Pure Crystal ain't happening here and Aborted will be a nothingburger>still no idea what's going onGuaranteed, Carol has no reason to re-traumatize her daughter knowing that it could get so bad that she freezes up and has entire episodes over hearing words out of context like how she was in childhood>nothing interestingGuaranteed, because interesting things could spoil the story before Toby's ready to tell it in Chapter 7>big WAITGuaranteed, Toby's likely going to mask his mediocre writing with a fuckhuge budget spent on all manner of guest animators, composers, etc. to put as much unnecessary visual flair onto Chapter 7 as possible
>>4125642actually, the wait is because ninty has promotion rights for deltarune and have designated it as one of their flagship summer direct titles
>>4125643That too, yeah, but if Toby's been getting increasingly reliant on guests to help produce the game, you just know Chapter 7 will be a pure shitshow.
>>4124460>>4124462I've bitched and moaned about this many of times, but the fact Castle Town is THIS under-developed is astounding. Like, this is some seriously slam dunk easy shit to get right. All they have to do is REUSE ASSETS THEY ALREADY MADE. Granted, they would still need to put in the work (MAYBE) putting in some slight variations, making them a little harder or more unique. But the underlying assets, enemies, attacks are there. It seriously wouldn't hurt making one or two new bullet patterns, right? All this tells me is that Deltarune behind the scenes is horribly prioritized, leading to simple things (like castle town) being completely forgotten about.
>>4125631It wouldn't, plus you already got Yellow.
>>4125642>Guaranteed due to confirmation of gimmicks>big WAIT GuaranteedThis is a short easy to code chapter?Holy fanfiction.
>>4125645yeahit's funny, people were giving him shit for constantly doing collabs in 2023-2024 and that it was needlessly delaying game developmentthat type of talk minimized after 3&4 came out, but i can't help but feel that actually did more damage than people thought even at the time and we're only starting to see it now
SoooWhen you say Aborted Weird Route, do you mean aborted before the lake scene, or failed lake scene
>>4125646It's all pure devhell and Toby changing his mind recurringly over the course of development but being unable to change anything fully because it was already set in stone in a previous chapter that's been released and available to the public.NONE of this would be a problem if he just kept us with Chapter 1 and nothing else, that way later down the line if he realized he doesn't want Castle Town to be this "hub town that grows and adds mechanics and side content with your progress" thing but instead a temporary stop for quirky meme dialogue and nothing more, he could've remedied that, but instead he's stuck tiptoeing around the fact the Chapter 2 Dojo exists and coming up with increasingly contrived ways to minimize it.
>>4125643Unless there's evidence to the contrary I don't believe Toby has any contractual obligations to Nintendo beyond 3+4's release, but he's a massive tendie so he will wait to show off a chapter on a Nintendo event even know f it will result in making people wait more than they otherwise should. At the end of the day Toby wants to live out his game dev fantasies and that includes having unique spots in Nintendo advertisement events.
>>4125646I know right, and it's gonna be a massive problem too when later on Castle Town has to get tragically closed and instead of being sad, remembering all my wonderful memories there, I'll just think "good riddance"
>>4125648Chapter 6 is the short chapter, yeah, but it's obvious Chapter 7 will end up surpassing Chapter 2 in terms of intended length, because it's where AAAAAAALL the budget and effort are going since he can FINALLY tell the fucking story he's wanted to tell since 2011 without it being incomplete or worrying that someone will figure it out before the reveals..
>>4125650It can be used for both, but when people are talking about chapter 6 WR they're usually referring to failing the lake skip. Of course this will only result in minor changes at best but people can't help but delude themselves into thinking it will lead to a special route in 6.
>>4125654remember when toby had all these teasers for 3&4 in 2022 - 2024? notice how he stopped doing that once he got his deal with nintendo for the direct and how we got fuck all for ch5 despite it not warranting him being so cagey with it?
>>4125657It's all just a matter of "I don't like Weird Route because it has the same problem as main route where all the payoff is being backloaded into Chapter 7", but they fail to realize if BOTH of the routes we know exist are backloading, then why the fuck would any other route offer anything of substance prior to Chapter 7?
>>4125658Toby was being cagey because he wanted people to be shocked, and then start giggling, snorting, clapping and cheering when they see the Undertale memberberries, how deep the Chapter 1 memberberries go and how much of a quotable meme machine Flowery is.
>>4125658I think he just wanted people to be surprised by it. We're probably not getting much related to 6 either.
>>4125651As more chapters release, I can't help but agree. It's not just Castletown, but other things too that could easily be hashed out if he was able to redo parts of earlier chapters. Well, I mean he still can redo earlier chapters, but that wouldn't go over well in the slightest. Really put himself in a corner with the whole episodic release schedule.>>4125655Yeah I literally have no attachment to Castle Town. The obvious answer was to make it customizable, have the player personally invest themselves into it. And it kinda seems like that was the angle he was going for? At least in Chapters 2 and 3. Chapter 2 has you taking shit from the cyberworld to put in the character rooms. And Chapter 3 had that Tenna statue from the ball machine you could win, saying it'll go in your (Kris's) room... Which does not happen, now that I think about it.
>>4125651>NONE of this would be a problem if he just kept us with Chapter 1toby had merchandise for sale 9 days after chapter 1 released, you would have to be insane to think his ass wasn't going to fart out another chapter full of scrimblo/undertale bait to continue raking money in with. in all likelihood he's made exceptionally far more profit off of plushies and shower curtains than the standalone product deltarune.
>>4125663>And Chapter 3 had that Tenna statue from the ball machine you could win, saying it'll go in your (Kris's) room... Which does not happen, now that I think about it.that was actually fixed in one of the chapter 5 patches
>>4125664Yup. Which means Deltarune as a whole is just a cashgrab riding off of Undertale's hype and he probably just made up the whole story about the fever dream, and it just so happened by pure coincidence the Twilight Reverie and Penumbra Phantasm shit existed around the time he claimed the fever dream happened.My nigga was grifting before most poeple knew what a grift even was, it's honestly kind of commendable.
>>4125665Ah, I was not aware. I haven't replayed Chapter 5 since it's launch.
>>4125665Yeah, but it goes to the Mike room instead, because they stole it, and used it to write yet another shipbait joke for Battat.
>>4125663>Which does not happen, now that I think about it>>4125668>Yeah, but it goes to the Mike room instead, because they stole itToby clearly just forgot about it because Castle Town means nothing to himI mean you get the exact same cutscene about entering Ralsei's room for the first time if you do it in chapter 5 compared to 4. He just copy-pasted it
Castle town really reperesents the mess this game has evolved into and the lost potential. Look back at how chapter 2 castle town was and then look at how it currently is.
>>4125672Look at how chapter 2 actually had a different routeI can't really blame all the Toriel FireTomb people for thinking this game was gonna go crazy with content
>>4125674The story actually meaningfully progressed too. We got clarity on what the dark calamity is, confirmation that Kris IS suspect and doing bad shit, that isn't just "grrrr I hate you player", characters actually developed, it was like an actual damn game.Then Toby realized people might predict the story before Chapter 7 came out, and it's been vagueposting and mystery box characters ever since.
Battat jongler and pluey being the fandom scrimblos is so bizarre to me
>>4125642
>>4125686They were easy shipbait with each other, Tenna, Spamton and FRIEND, which meant any jabs at fandom were ignored in favor of "BUT WHAT IF THESE CHARACTERS /FUCKED?/"
>>4125688>gore in the deltrune threadhave we really become this raped......
>>4125658I think that's just Toby being autistic over spoilers. He REALLY didn't want to spoil the flowers at all.
>>4125686They are basically our canon Mike, who was always going to get insane Tumblr sexyman status due to their connection to Spamton.
>>4125686I'll say it now, Battat will probably be THE character from the new chapters that will have the most long lasting impact in the fandom, despite the entire meta context around him.Almost everyone else new was some flavor of very bland or quaint, and many barely had much screen time, but the green pippins actually has some edge to him.
>>41256584 barely had any teasers.
>>4125704Toby will personally commission a very high quality company to make new Battat merch as an apology for how shitty the Fangamer keychain plushies have been turning out.No other character will get this privilege.
>>4125646I've been saying for the whole past year that the alternate gameplay styles are a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.All good Legend of Tenna/MANTLE brought to the table was a few spooky 4th wall breaking scenes and concepts that could have been explored with the normal gameplay, at the expense of shitting up the chapter as a whole.Climbing was bland and all it achieved was replacing spots that would normally be dedicated to boss battles, to the point the church has LESS bosses than the much shorter card kingdom.Platforming was a retarded reason because he shoved it in the chapter with NINE major NPC characters. Turn Based RPGs are great for dialogue heavy games because you can have your characters talk about whatever between turns, and platforming is the EXACT OPPOSITE of that, it's shit to read the transparent text while trying to dodge all the shit on the screen.
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One is a vile, disgusting slut who would get turned on watching kittens being stomped to death.The other is a pure, virginal, wife-material miss who would patiently wait for you to get home and give you a hug.Can you guess which one is who?
>>4125726I really don't see what everyone else saw in the platforming, I thought it was bland, it made combat boring, and the cliffs/castle were probably the lamest places in the game so far
>>4125746Deltarune fans hate having to actually be skilled at the game, which is why Nicer Bombs exist. They loved the platforming because he explicitly made it to be as entry-level as possible.
>>4125231the support in question
>>4125726my issue is that all the alternate gameplay segments ultimately add nothing to the game8bit? it's the same shit we've already been doing except it looks different climbing? spiritually the same as the chase sequences where you have to dodge overworld projectiles platforming? deliberately gimped by toby so a 2 year old who's never played a platformer could do it, it's also the only one with a greater narrative purpose which is essentially 'you're bad because aqua gave it to you and she wasn't supposed to' i.e. you're a bad person for playing the game
>>4125672>>4125674I'll forever complain about how chapter 2 ruined the vibes from the survey program and how the main story barely progressed there, but god damn it's sad how it was the only time the game actually tried to reach it's potential.>a ton of bosses and minibosses>new leitmotifs introduced all the time>characters like Berdly getting a ton of screen time and development>tons of new unique characters everywhere, from one off NPCs to major ones like Queen and Spamton>large variety of enemies and locationsAnd now we get>bosses and enemies sidelined for the sake of new gameplay styles, done so easy because they assume you never had contact with these genres before>one or two new leitmotifs that get spammed everywhere across the entire chapter>barely any new characters, and most don't get that much screen time or things to do>generic NPCs everywhere, a problem from fucking STICKER STAR>repetitive locations>way too many returning UT characters, both occupying way too important spots (Pink) and ALSO not getting much to do (Pink again)>Asgore, someone personally connected to the most important background events, one of the most important characters in UT, got LESS shit to do than Berdly, the joke character.
>>4125744my daughter is a HERo that will save the day despite the constant betrayal and suffering caused by her so called 'friends'
>>4125726I'm of the belief that the Legend of Tenna stuff would've been fine if it remained as an outlier. Like, if chapter 3 remained the "weird experimental chapter". Does is suck we didn't get a proper Dark World? Yeah, it does. They should've made something more substantial outside of TV World. A proper break from the minigames was warranted.Climbing I have no problems with on paper. Introducing a new overworld mechanic halfway through the game isn't a bad idea for an RPG, many others do it as well to great effect. However, where Deltarune stumbles is that it's applied without exploration in mind. There aren't any earlier areas (outside of the Church dark world) to re-explore with this new mechanic in mind. Now, Deltarune's structure doesn't lend itself to this idea either. It's not like we can just revisit Card Kingdom, Cyberworld or TV World when we obtain the climbing claws. But there's still Castle Town, with the cliffs. Why not let us revisit that? The climbing claws are fine, just a bit awkward to fully utilizing in a satisfying way unfortunately.The platforming on the other hand I completely agree is retarded. It's inclusion is why Chapter 5 is so fucking long (and one of the many reasons I dread replaying it, and I like platformers.) The inclusion of the platforming is why a lot of chapter 5 sucks. It's hard for me to fully convey this idea, but the time spent designing, developping and playtesting this ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAME MODE could've instead been used to work on fleshing out already existing mechanics that are in desperate need of being fleshed out. I'll be honest, I did not agree with your take during the Chapter 3+4 era. But after Chapter 5, and realizing how horribly mismanaged this game's development is, I completely agree with you. So much wasted development on novelty.
>>4125755The worst part is, even if Chapter 2 barely progressed anything, it still did more than all of Chapter 3-5. Only 6 will finally push the story again, but only at the cliffhanger, and only just an inch because 7 must do all the lifting for the sake of unpredictability.
>>4125762>But there's still Castle Town, with the cliffs. Why not let us revisit that?Because it turns out the Mr. Society subplot has major parallels with THAT DAY that could spoil the story, so we aren't allowed to go there until Chapter 7 during the epilogue victory lap.
>>4125763i would argue that the ending of ch3 and most of ch4 did progress the story, but ch5 doing fuck all with it makes it look like nothing happened the story is suspended and thanks to that it feels like jack shit has actually happened since ch1, because as far as the plot it concerned nothing has
>>4125570Toriel will. Give me a little time.
>>4125704No, that will be Tenna. Battat will always live in his shadow.
>>4125755It's funny to me that Deltarune doesn't get compared to Sticker Star or Color Splash, like, ever. The audience overlap is certainly there (both series are baby's first RPG), and the criticisms for both are also similar too.
>>4125770Ehhh, kind of?>HOLY SHIT, IT'S THE ROARING KNIGHT! KRIS IS WORKING WITH IT!?>...oh, it can't really do much right now except be vaguely threatening because its motives, actions and identity have to be reserved for Chapter 7, outside of this cryptic idea that it's kidnapping people for... some reason? And we already knew Kris was doing some evil-seeming stuff? Um... sure...>HOLY SHIT, THE PROPHECY!>...oh, it's just... stuff that already happened, a teaser for Chapter 5, and... something that basically reiterates that Kris is going to have to do some really controversial stuff for... whatever reason? Yeah, okay... thanks, I think...
>>4125787i believe ch4 would've been good buildup in ch5 capitalized on it in any way at all but it didn't, the only tidbit about the knight we get is completely unrelated to what we already knew and nobody gives a shit about it maybe also the knight being in perfect sync with kris, but depending on who you think the knight is that can be seen as a 'yeah duh' sort of thing
>>4125787The Knight reveal at the very least gave a solid goal for our protagonists, which is to enter the bunker. A shame that Chapter 5 forgot that was our main objective! Oops!
>>4125787>HOLY SHIT, THE PROPHECY!>You can't see the angel>Or the final tragedyGee thanks the only two new bits of information were withheld from us
>>4125793We already knew we were probably entering the bunker for endgame as early as Chapter 1, it literally makes Gaster sounds.
>>4125762>I completely agree with you. So much wasted development on novelty.I fear it will take until 7 for people to finally open their eyes to this. I've been complaining about this shit since the teacup rides, but even that and the punch out minigame were more well incorporated into the usual gameplay.I'll die on the hill that SOUL modes should have been the real source of variety in the gameplay. Nothing prohibits using the yellow or purple souls a few more times.>>4125763What makes me mad is that Chapter 2 isn't even that much of a high standard. Simply letting Toriel, Undyne, Asgore and Maddie participate more in the dark world like Berdly and Noelle would have benefited the game massively, among other things.>>4125770As much as I hate 3, I gotta admit ADVANCED the story a lot at least thematically, even if I think the current path is trash.>>4125787>a teaser for Chapter 5, and...That also completely subverted any good expectations people had from that. Pink and Gold wasn't FRIEND like it seemed to be, it was two bosses that never interact with each other. And Asgore wasn't the boss. And the garden never got charred.>>4125786Toby takes a lot from Paper Mario, but I feel Sticker Star isn't really the one he took things despite the generic toad thing.
>>4125749always pissed me off people thought roaring knight disc form looked like a baseballit looks more like goats eye than that, but even then it's still empty speculation that can only be proven or disproven with more information we may or may not ever receive.gaster mind raped the loretheorists.
nr:>kris goes to therapistwr:>kris goes to the rapist
>>4125795We did, but Susie now knows. It served to move us out of the story's "set up" and into actually putting events into motion, with Susie at the helm leading the hunt for the codes. Why yes, at a meta level, we knew that we would eventually end up there, now there's a deliberate push within the narrative to get to that point.
>>4125802that rapist's name? noel hollyday
>>4125799>Toby takes a lot from Paper MarioApparently he never player Super Paper Mario, only the first two, which is surprising given how similar Omega Flowey and the Super Dimentio fight with the pure hearts go
>>4125806
>>4125803Susie knowing doesn't matter because it's not Chapter 7, since acting on that desire NOW as the main priority means the story has to meaningfully progress, which means players could be clued in on what will actually happen later, which means they could predict Chapter 7 before it actually plays out.Thus, she'll not give a shit about the codes until they conveniently fall into her hands, forget Undyne's life is presumably at risk, stop taking the Knight as a serious threat (which the narrative itself has done, the Trashy Trio flavor text is full of Knight flavor text parodies) and then not be all that bothered that Kris's own fucking dad was kidnapped.
>>4125810If the story was competently written it would matter. But yeah, with how Toby handles mysteries, you have a point. His reluctance to give information is infuriating. Reminds me of another RPG that came out a few years ago, Knuckle Sandwich. That game also has a town-wide conspiracy and ongoing mystery but makes no strides to actually clue the player in on anything until the end of the last dungeon.
I'd honestly be pissed off if the new game+ theory is correct. I REALLY don't wanna have to play through the entire game again just for another ending or minor differences.
>>4125824Unsurprisingly, Knuckle Sandwich's creator is one of Toby's butt buddies, and is the guy who designed the Mike Trio.
>>4125825Fuck off and fuck you. I do want to play through the entire game again just for another ending or minor differences.
>>4125763>7 must do all the lifting for the sake of unpredictabilityAt this point I'm starting to retroactively hate Gerson for this bullshit. No way he would be considered a good writer by anyone if the retarded shit he was made to say.>>4125810>(which the narrative itself has done, the Trashy Trio flavor text is full of Knight flavor text parodies)I'm honestly baffled. Making fun of Jevil and Spamton is one thing, but the Knight? A spot this much sensible in the story? Something that was already a deconstruction of the secret bosses being deconstructed?>>4125824>His reluctance to give information is infuriating.And again, I don't think this would have been a problem if all the time wasting chapters committed into repeating shit from chapter 2. But no, we get a combination of "no fun allowed" + "no advancing the story allowed" multiple times, and we got a bunch of hollow segments filling up the middle of the story.
>>4125825okay then watch it on youtube with the rest of the deltarune secondaries
>>4125825>>4125829the only way toby could pull that off in a somewhat satisfying way is noelle game + where pretty much everything is radically different due to susie being removed and noelle takes her rightful place ralsei possibly also gets sidelined as most of her unused dialogue only mentions kris
>>4125800It looks like a marble to me
>>4125629Yeah, don't do it twice the second time around is inappropriate
They should have made the titan fight harder
>>4125786Ive compared it to that many times >hey guys were gonna make a turn based jrpg but actually were gonna take the time to shit on everything people like about those and make it a story based game instead>OK then can I have the story part of the story based game>no chud
>>4125803It's not pushing at allThe one thing I had to look forward to after that abysmal lake scene is that at least I would go back to noelles house and get the codeOnly for the game to derail itself AGAINThe game is crawling at the speed of a snail and refuses to let you do ANYTHING to make it move at a comfortable paceI dont get it why is it so unreasonable to let you get the mcguffins in the fantasy adventure garlme anymoreThis shit just makes me so mad and I genuinely fear that this kind of game design is here to stay because that worm is in the ear of every notable rpg dev in the country
>>4125855they should have made a lot of the fights harder (or at least made it so the weird route or attacking enemies made certain fights different/harder and made the game different in general other than just in chapter 2...)
This has been a nice so far, gonna sleep now, hopefully troons wont shit up the thread with their usual gender/suselle baiting
>>4125877don't worrywe'll shit up with mad dummy gender bait
>>4125848a cat's eye marble to specific, yeah.
>>4125855either that or let us know that it wasn't a *real* titan fight or some shit. having the series macguffin become a regenerating wet fart that gets one shot by a deceased old man and a kitchen knife from the top rope was lame as fuck.
>>4125897Get used to it, the game will never let you have a real victory, because that would be "too traditional"God I hope this man gets sacked
>>4125905>chapter 6 sucks so bad that toby has to patch in some tranny bullshit to distract retards withim prepared for the absolute worst
>>4125911It cannot get worse, the lake scene followed by the derailing into flower king right in front of me followed by Susie getting the shelter code instead was the last straw
>>41259135 minutes unskippable Suselle dance scene in the Chapter 6 Dark World, as foreshadowed by Skies Forever Blue where the protagonist dances with their love interest.
>>4125924it would also be a call back to mother 1 when ana confesses to ninten
>>4125924>>4125926okay maybe i was wrong when i said i was prepared for the absolute worse
>>4125926I take it backActual subversive behaviour and he is actively targeting things that are good to plaster his fetishes on everyone.
>>4125930>>4125931fun fact, mt ebott is a reference to mt itoi as both are named after the creator of their respective games except that's not true and mt itoi was named such by the translation team, the nip name is holy loly mountain
>>4125936Oops Robert just couldn't resist
>>4125897>> HP: 21000>> Defence: negative 21000Welcome back mettaton neo
Kris and Noelle will get married soonAnd have seven fawns
>>4126003And Kris will be the mother.
>>4126003>>4126094and the donor? ralsei's 12 inches
>>4126111I'm Noelle and I support this message.
>>4125686Pluey is unrelated to all of this.He's basically annoying dog version cat
>>4125786Except that out of those three games Color Splash is the one that's secretely good
>>4125947Has Frisk ever been seen with a spear?
>>4126124ha as if, i bought into the color splash hype with people saying it was actually good compared to sticker starit was still god awful even after giving it a honest shot and origami king seems like more of the same. unless they learned their lesson from the ttyd remake, paper mario's dead to me
For me it's Kratience and Intro human Vessel.
>>4126124for me sticker star will always be better than color splash because at least the game lets you try and fail instead of forcing you down a specific path, and battles can be pretty fast instead of everything being slow for no reason
>>4125786Because Toby doesn't unironically fucking hate Undertale, chapter 1, or chapter 2, nor does he hate more straightforward RPGs.Tanabe operated out of honest to god spite.
>>4126155>Toby doesn't unironically fucking hate UndertaleYeah, so about that 11th aniversary...
>>4126139>>4126146Out of the 3 modern, CS is the only one whose "puzzles" are actually playable and not an unbearable chore to play
>>4125924So THAT's what guitar guy was reacting to and shaking??
>>4126140it's really strange just how many people hate patience kristo the point where they just ignore everything to do with aqua and the shit with asgore being depicted as yellow then turning red, which is almost certainly set up for something similar happening to krismaybe it stems from the fear that toby really is going to backload everything into ch7's lederdump and that's one more thing that had it's potential wasted
>>4126194They hate it because it's a reminder that Kris isn't their darling little self-insert and has a lot more going on under the hood than what they perceive for shipbaiting, and that the soul color turning red represents the total hijacking of his life both literally from (You) and from the circumstances that raped him into being the cryptic promise-abiding antagonist we see now.
>>4126194It's Kressel fags hating it on Twitter because "DUDE YOU COLORED US IN WITH CARE" and "YOU CAN NEVER WASH IT AWAY" somehow confirmed Kressel when the Vessel is a copy of Kris at best (let's not forget how the game would have been lying to the Player for FIVE Chapters straight if Kressel was somehow true)
>>4126205>(let's not forget how the game would have been lying to the Player for FIVE Chapters straight if Kressel was somehow true)It's been lying to us since before Chapter 1 to be fair (there's no fucking way we're going to actually meet Gaster, the entire point is that he's a perpetual mystery), but yeah, Kressel would just fundamentally take away from Kris's social and mental struggle of being the only human in a nonhuman society, something that STILL weighs on him even into his teen years, because if he was secretly a vessel all along he would've been embracing his innate weirdness in order to fit in with the monsters instead of being as uniformly human as possible.
guys it can be both>kris is a vessel that was dumped into hometown so that the prophecy has a human.>as a vessel his "soul" is volatile and can shift in response to its enviornment>because of everyone else's actions, kris' soul developed into patience.>with the dessappearance and his own guilt over it, it turned into a red one.
>>4125134>What did you think of Pinkuhhh>lazy retread of a literal industry plant character from a port no one played>most hamfisted trans allegory Toby's ever highlighted (MTT did it better)>leans on "aren't dating sims WEIRD??" otaku humor that was already played out in Undertale>still a downgrade from Mad Dummy>boring anime catgirl coomer design>cringeworthy "unique and memorable" intro>can't FIGHT them because they're Toby's MTF Mary Sue (even UT let you destroy her body)>battle theme is grating Mikuslop by a guest composer>fight is unbalanced with easy-ass patterns + random bullshit bombs>"worldwide slaughter" is nice foreshadowing, but no non-Jap is going to notice it>has zero thematic relevance aside from the Kris/SOUL stuff, which Spamton partially covered>if Tralsei is real (agony), the fight barely hints at that too>barely connected to the flowers aside from Orange (who never mentions her beforehand?) and 1 optional cafe scene>the other cafe scene gave us Pinkris, a certified 0/10 ship>Claire's sprites have that rancid Westernized 90s nu-anime look >feels like a faceslap to anyone who wanted a serious 5th Shadow Crystal boss>unsatisfying payoff to Asgore's crystal cockteasing in Ch4>buildup with the action figure + shop dialogue + Pink Coins felt clumsy>doesn't even drop a unique weapon/armor >secret room is tucked away during the rooftop climax, which hurts Ch5's pacing even more>no one in-universe seems to care (yet) that she's a Lightner who knows about Dark Worlds>FRIEND lore drop was hastily patched inyeah I'm still not a big fan. Disappointed but unsurprised that not even /vrpg/ seems to dislike her that much>Was she worthy of being the final Shadow Crystal holderlolno>If not, how would you improve herby removing her completely :)failing that, giving her a better reason to be in the Dark World and a more meaningful connection to the flowers might've helped, but Toby will always be a hack for including her to begin with
>>4125646Even very bare-bones Pavilion from Nine Sols is a better "player base" than Castle Town. Yes, it's smaller, but the size isn't what makes something a "base".
>>4125726>Whining about ladders of all thingsWhat's next, you gonna whine about chairs or something?
>>4126219But Pink isn't a trans allegory. She outright admits she will never be a real anime catgirl and accepts that she must go back to being a ghost in the Light World when she's not LARPing in the Dark World.Asgore's cockteasing was never about a Shadow Crystal, he was always holding a Black Shard, because he's been hoarding them from his investigations of Dark World scenes since THAT HORRIBLE DAY.Everything else is true though. If you REALLY needed to include her to pay off Mad Ghost, Pink should've just been a wacky miniboss encounter before you met Aqua, and you'd get to actually watch her meet and interact with the flowers and Darkners, including whatever pure shenanigans would come from Ghost and Body's conflicting opinions on Flowery himself, ESPECIALLY Ghost's raging jealousy that Flowery very obviously seems to be trying to make romantic moves on Asgore.
I'm a sensitive young man and i thought my life was over when i learned about hypergamy. But there is worse, loligamy. The lolis have been stealing any available options for women. It's completely over.
the weird route feels random
>>4126277the weird route is the original ideathe entire regular route is the weird shit to pad the game
>>4126277Because it's obviously meant to be played after whatever batshit insane reveals come from Chapter 7 that fully explain the soul as its own character separate from (You) with its own goals, hence why you performing Weird Route enables the soul to do what it does and eventually steer things into PROCEEDing into the lake to enter Chapter 7B.
>>4126282I feel like the chapter 5 weird route was definitely written that way, but chapter 2 and chapter 4 feels more like he didn't really know where he was going with it.
>>4126277the weird route is toby's fever dream, the normal route exists for contrast.
>>4126277It's a creepypasta, of course it feels random.
>>4126277>>4126290weird route is temkino, obviously it's going to be written to a higher standard than foxslop
>>4126288Nah, 2 and 4 expressed this too, like soul suddenly knowing what Snowgrave is or the prompt specifically allowing it to announce itself under the cryptic calling of "Me".
>>4126316Every WR-specific scene was written with a feeling of deja-v(You).(You) telling Noelle to use a spell she doesn't know (lie).Kris desperately not wanting to talk to Noelle with (You) around.Noelle noticing that Kris is no longer able to say "stop" like actually (You) used to.They've already been there before.
>>4126316No way Chara actually made me made Kris made Noelle do this??? This can't be...
>>4126316is there any mention of snowgrave in chapter 2 before we get the thorn ring? because otherwise we would know what it is once we got the ring
>>4126341If every character in UT/DR give this déjà vu feeling together with vagueposting except for Susie, does that mean they're all in a loop except for Susie (the dragon) who is the only one dying?
>>4126228It's still an allegory about mentally ill people being mentally ill in a way that is very close to trannies
>>4126199>total hijackingHow about not derailing the game after the worst scene? How about opening some simple doors? Total hijacking my ass
>>4126355You aren't the only entity taking control of Kris, he's been abusing his soul since before he woke up in Chapter 1, which makes no sense because you didn't get involved in his life until that exact moment.
We're not doing third entity again.
>>4126363Sure. One entity, all kris
>>4126348>people being mentally ill in a way that is very close to tranniesYeah, that's called dysphoria. The fight against Pink was also a fight against dysphoria that's won by self-acceptance (something most trannies are not able to do without either crying out loud or taking the rope).
>>4126367There is still a lot of crying though with the game demanding that you validate the granny's delusionsWith her in her own words saying she wants to larp as a catgirl forever
>>4126368Reminder that this is the same game that says you shouldn't be self inserting as an rpg hero in a video game that you play for funThat piece of shit has a lot of nerve
>>4126345That's what the deja-vu feeling implies, yes. Susie is the newest addition to the loop/game. After all, what happens from the point of view of the game characters when you reset a game or remove a save and start a new game? They do the same things over and over again, without realizing it. That's what Noelle is complaining about during her manic breakdown.
>>4126363Then explain>soul knowing what Snowgrave is without YOU knowing what Snowgrave is>soul having a very clear plan for Weird Route without YOU knowing what that plan is, including taking very deliberate actions like pulling out the thorn that you didn't even know Kris HAD and mindbreaking Noelle so she'd SPECIFICALLY force Kris to proceed into the lake hard enough to enter Chapter 7B>Kris abusing his soul prior to your arrival when he wakes up in Chapter 1 (bloodstain, battered birdcage, etc.) when it should have been dormant and doing absolutely nothing to earn his ire>Noelle noting Kris has been behaving weirdly since before your debut in Chapter 1>Ralsei being fucking TERRIFIED of the soul no matter what you do
>>4126368Yeah, LARP. That's a huge difference from trannies, who will scream, cry, and self-harm that you MUST view them as real, MUST view them as valid. Pink just wants to play pretend, real trannies insist they're the genuine article (but also better and more praise-worthy because real women didn't have to go through the gender dysphoria struggle that this HECKIN' VALID trans woman did).
>>4126374Hey, why can't I play pretend thenWhat makes the ghost doll rapist so special
>>4126372Players who are already on the weird route have got ahead of themselves.That'll probably make more sense once we're through with the normal route. Then your intentions might align better with what the game presents to you in the weird route, e.g. Noelle gaining the ability to snowgrave (thus getting the Freeze Ring) during chapter 6 or 7.
>>4126376Is because the game destroys the fight button because of my "loyal" party members
>>4126376Unless that lederdump comes with a full in-depth "wow, we managed to come up with our OWN way to save the worlds to spite the prophecy, and it's all thanks to the power of friendship, hopes, dreams, determination, and your gracious help! anyway, [PLAYER NAME], did you know that there's a spell called Snowgrave and(...)" I can't imagine how it'll be organically conveyed exactly how to commit to Weird Route so it can actually feel like (You)'re taking these actions and not another entity exploiting openings that your actions offer.
>>4126363Original "third entity" was "Entity that possesses Kris when Kris does not have SOUL inside". Only retards like Jaru say that SOUL is the third entity.
>>4126382It's a Player/Frisk/Chara situation again, (You) and Third Entity share the soul somehow or another just like how (You) and Chara shared Frisk's body and soul, with Chara slowly gaining power and control over the course of genocide.
>>4126384>Player/Frisk/Chara situationThere's no "Player" in UT. Only Frisk and Chara. Sometimes Frisk is the player character, sometimes Chara is the player character. Depends on the scene.
>>4126384So much bullshit...who exactly are all these headaches for? None of this shit is ever advertised.
>>4126385The player exists. Otherwise the option to pick the soda when Undyne asks what Frisk would like to have would not exist period, because if these were all Frisk's decisions, Frisk would never even consider the soda in the first place, and Chara is totally dormant at that time.
>>4126389Let's look at all the games where you have a bookshelf and the character is uninterested in reading the booksYou gonna "duh player" in every single situation
>>4126389That's like saying Player exist in Sonic games because Sonic looks the the screen impatiently when player is idle for too long. Or player exist in Bubsy games because Bubsy acknowledges existence of main menu. Literally every Adventure, CRPG, JRPG, etc. game have that behavior built-in. Even Silksong have Hornet refusing to leave the kingdom, commenting that she still have stuff to do inside.
>>4126392Almost like it's all bullshit designed to guilt trip youIt doesn't work on anyone over the age of 15Hell it doesn't work on anyone under the age of 10
>>4126390>>4126392>B-BUT OTHER GAMES!!!!!!! WHICH MEANS UTDR TOO!!!!!!!!!!!Oh, so NOW UTDR are suddenly traditional and compliant to how other games behave?
>>4126392Prequel web-comic have that figured out. All "player" commands are simply MC's own unconscious thoughts, and MC can go along with them or refuse with a comment why.
>>4126394It should be. This meta shite is gonna age like milk
>>4126228>Pink isn't a trans allegoryas much as I'd like to huff that copium, there's so much going against it (Toby's Tumblr brain, his team, Pink's ghost and Mad Dummy both thinking "this catgirl doll is LITERALLY ME!!!", past experience, 95% of the fandom pushing it like gospel) for me to do so. If it was anyone else I might care, but not for fucking Pink lol>he was always holding a Black Shardwas running out of characters but I think that was just me projecting my disappointment with Asgore's handling in Ch5. Even if it wasn't a Crystal, it still stings that such an ominous scene ended up being a red herring and that Pink ended up with one instead, because apparently nothing's stronger than a trannoid's dreamgood point about Maddie's tsundere crush on Asgore though, it's so half-baked that I forgot to bring it up. Toby really spent five years quietly teasing it just so Pink could mention Asgore twice and never interact with him
>>4126398Unfortunately, any Lightner taking Asgore with even a modicum of seriousness means he might be egged on to talk about THAT DAY so him and his new confidant can be on the same wavelength, thereby progressing the story and revealing new information before Chapter 7, so we can't have THAT be happening.
>>4126372>Ralsei being fucking TERRIFIED of the soul no matter what you doIf I knew there was a higher entity who could do whatever it wanted and nobody could stop it i would be terrified too.
>>4126403can do whatever it wants except make a kid open a door or walk left without getting ripped out and thrown in the trash lol
>>4126400Why does he have to be such a spiteful piece of shit about thisDoes he ever consider that the player might just get fed up with all this and stop giving a shit
>>4126389gameplay-story segregation, it would make no sense for a protag to do nothing when the player is trying to fuck off and the protag is saying "noo thats the wrong direction" everytime, it even applies here considering you can speak to a npc a million times and kris wont do or say anything about it
>>4126392Yeah nigga, the Player exists just like in Earthbound where you're the higher entity they prayed to in order to defeat Giygas.
>>4126404You don't understand anon, being forced to watch the lake scene wasn't enough of a punishment, you had to get derailed from the one thing you could look forward to for a full year on top of that.
>>4126404Notice how Kris never does that stuff in the Dark Worlds, implying the Soul is stronger there.
>>4126405toby is still getting millions so he doesn't give a shit, toby has become just like the typical AAA game dev, the typical fate of any indie dev who manages to get a lot of money off of their work daily
>>4126405He's convinced everyone is so invested they'll keep playing either because they worship him or because of sunk cost fallacy, giving him the prime opportunity to deliver the Halloween Hack/peepee.exe ending message double wombo combo "There's always a choice, and it's losing/not playing"
>>4126367I have fictional mental illness called Tobyrapedmeitis and I want YOU to acknowledge it or else I vote for the mass immigration party!!!!
>>4126405Because he got greedy. He made merch for a demo not even two weeks after it first came out, which guaranteed he'd turn this game into an episodic shitshow that can't actually start its plot until Chapter 7 because otherwise you'll know the story years before it even happens which means the impact of the fever dream ending won't actually hit as hard as it should because you can just point and go "yup, I knew it."Whereas if Toby didn't succumb to greed, just left us with Chapter 1 and then developed the full game with the intention to release it as a full product, the story could actually be a story because you'd be able to start and finish the game over the course of a weekend, rather than start the game in 2018 and only be allowed to finish it in 2028-2029.
Hi I'm the Vessel and I'm here to rape and kill everyone in Hometown.
>>4126409you can survive the knight gauntlet at the start of the dark world to try and confront it but then he just stands there and does nothing until he's pushed away lolyou can think about knight but then he stops thinking about knight to think about temmie and jockington lol
When will people here stop being so raped™?
you know what would be cool? a deltarune slavery mod
>>4126418Doesn't have to go that far, just give me the option to whip anyone and I'll be satisfied
>>4126418Who needs a mod? You're already nothing more than Kris's bitch slave who isn't allowed to be acknowledged by anyone except your massa who hates you, his other slave bitch who's scared of you, and the handler who sold you to Kris for 25 dollars.
>>4126415Still isn't pulling the stunts they can do in the light worldAlso the main point of Kris is that are a uncooperating Vessel, so that's why they try to disobey you if necessary.
>>4126421"not opening a closet" is a high power feat apparently LMFAO
>>4126420>Raped™ fantasies
>>4126374Anon we are talking about people that would cheer at your death. Being le moderate centrist like Toby isn't going to help your case.
>>4126423Those 25 dollars went straight into the pockets of Black Lives Matter, who put the money right into funding new weapons for Islamic Terrorists so they can jihad more infidels and deliver their men to their 72 virgins.
>>4126425Holy based
Inshallah the light of Allah will unrape these unfortunate anons.
>>4126420what i ask for is simply enslaving other darkners (i'd like enslaving lightners too but doing it with your recruits seems like the most likely thing to happen) and force them to do shit for me like farming consumable items (the cliffs section has a gag about vermin and rabbicks iirc, so it IS possible) and mining dark dollars, itd be a pretty nice QoL thing to have, plus you'd get to feel like susie and lancer when they sit together on that one room>>4126419i know there are some mods with mechanics where you can attack and kill npcs in the overworld, imagine being able to whip npcs too lol
>>4126426You'll be shouting "based" at the top of your lungs when they bust down your door and blow your head off as "thanks" for supporting their cause, you fucking traitorous dog.
>>4126431It would be very based yeah.
>>4126430That sounds more like a town sim mod. By opening up jobs in castle town, it would allow for more development options like opening up new buildings and could lead to new content. For example if you farm enough consumables you could replay the cooking minigame with a twist to make new items that heal more or have other effects like raising TP, or there could be a building minigame or something. I shudder thinking of the development time being wasted on more minigames, but as a mod it could be fun.
>>4126378Snowgrave? Oh yeah, Flowery told me when you did it in loop 72th you fucking psycho how could you do this? Oh that wasn't you? Liar. It was another player? Liar. I always hated you anyway, quiet people that don't tell you the whole deal PISS ME OFF. Watch me become the final boss are you satisfied yet you BAD GUY?
Little Krissy at the beach.
>>4126425But the beautiful Christian Undertale message...
>>4126438Lost all integrity and meaning when Toby bowed to the vocal minority after that fentanyl-addicted fuck got put in his place by a cop doing his job.
>>4125155Oh so NOW you guys care about the quality of bait.
>>4126432You like being NWO's obedient barbaric servant? I mean of course you like it, you aren't smart enough to realize you are being manipulated.
>>4126441>that fentanyl-addicted fuck got put in his place by a cop doing his job. Which game did that happen in?
>>4126445The clown world MMO known as Earth. Did you miss the event where everyone was forced to join or support the BLM faction, else the player suffer a severe penalty that basically dead-ends the character's prosperity?
>>4126442They got very butthurt, or else they would have reported the OneShot thread as off-topic (it's not a JRPG) instead of the Deltarune one.
>>4126443Yeah nigga
>>4126441I am now convinced Undertale's quality was solely due to only Toby’s Christian mom and Temmie. Deltarune seems to be missing those and it is clearly showing.
>>4125807It's not really that similar, it's just common tropes put together.
>>4125825Never happening because of how bad Deltarune's code is. Too much work.
>>4125947That's a cool headcanon ngl. I like it.>>4126131Undyne gives her a spear to defend herself in their fight, so there.
>>4126140Vessel is a goner so Gaster COULD'VE based them on a human he knew back in the war. It's possible.
>>4126454Based Undyne teaching the 9 year old to go to crusade against the preying monsters
>>4126445Undertale Blue :^)
>>4126194I just assume it's because Aqua is a girl and the cyan soul has girly items in Undertale that has made people dislike it. That or people just wanting Kris to be a regular red soul.
>>4126219>from a port no one playedNips played it, the target audience to Toby's games.
>>4126460Toby will make Kris a girl and the soul a they/them. There, everybody happy*.*everybody that matters to Toby
>>4126455Yeah, and what better human to be a copy of than the one that defeated Asgore back in his prime?
>>4126363What about second entity?(The player isn't diabetic and the soul is their own character)
>>4126465It's shit.
>>4126409Kris can't remove the soul in the Dark World, that's why.
>>4126219>Claire's sprites have that rancid Westernized 90s nu-anime lookAre you saying that Clairevoire drew dog food?
>>4126414My FUARKING hero!
>>4126438Toby is a liberal christian which doesn't contradict his actions.
>>4126471Toby is an autharitarian far-leftist anon that's the only way "trans rights" can exist
>>4126462Technically the player has to be a they/them unless Toby gives a gender option to his games Pokemon style.
>>4126437We will NEVER have human plushies btw.
>>4126473But Kris and the souls aren't player characters nor self-inserts
>>4126409It's just because Susie and Ralsei are there and he doesn't want to be embarassed in front of his friends
>>4125247Asriel being the secret villain again would be so fucking boring
>>4126385>>4126384This is why it shouldn't happen. The Frisk/Chara/Player situation is the worst written aspect of Undertale by a long shot and I will never respect Toby if he writes this bullshit again
What is the /v/irgin opinion on the heterosexual cisgender, non problematic, mutual love youthful romance that is Dessriel?
>pic spamWe're being raided
>>4126484have the better quality version
>>4126471>>4125493>>4126382Imagine if Toby bastardises Christian aesthetics even more in the last two chapters by making it a parallel for le hecking subversion. There's a nonzero chance of this happening.Kris has two natures if you include the soul. You have Kris(t) as a part of the trinity with the soul and the player making the Vessel. You have the fun gang falling three times on the way to Calvary when Rory Nite attacks them with undodgeable knives in ch4 and Kris is then comforted by a foid and a moid that help him get back up. And then you have the hippie church and the whole angel thing. And why is the only character than can close dark fountains and that will probably have to sacrafice himself for le good ending even named Kris? It sounds somewhat like Frisk and has the same letters, but Toby picked a real human name for a reason instead of making up some other fantasy unisex name.
>>4126484Too boring, I prefer Kress.
>>4126492The Angel is a Trinity that includes (You), Gaster and Noelle btw.
>>4126490>Suddenly Sharty imageDefinitely.
>>4126475The SOUL probably is.>>4126480I can't agree with that. The main issue is that it was too ambitious and vague but Undertale has far worse problems.
>>4126484Dessriel is alright, just boring. I prefer Chasriel as the Asriel ship but I wouldn't mind it if we actually get more spice to Dessriel in the last two chapters.
>>4126425CoL...
Oh yeah today is the day you can find So Sorry in Undertale right?
>>4126518Yeah, at 8PM.
Name one good theory from that originates from the chapter 5 era.
>>4126518nobody cares about that nigga
>>4126538>Name one good theory from that originates from the chapter 5 era.
>>> sees 3 teenagers>>> Almost immediately starts trying to fucking murder them Is Maddie an actual sociopath?
>>4126544I would do that too
>>4126538Theres plenty of great theories like ralsei now somehow being a troon because he put on a dress that one time and acted gay (as he usually does), kris being raped by everyone and susie being such a fat unlikable dyke that people think she's being sissy hypno mindcontrolled by the prophecy.
>>4126549Prophecy mind control is so funny because it takes something that is reasonable and is shown in the game(Susie leaning into the role of the hero because it maker her feel like someone important doing something meaningful which makes her feel good about herself) and amplifies and transforms it into something ridiculous.
>>4126552The theory would make no sense if the poor writing didn't force everyone to act out of character just so that Suselle could happen. Most Anons know that it's bs since Toby would never let a yuri ship fail, but the theory is good, in vacuum, if you pay attention to the game and not the author's politics.
>>4126567No It isn't
>>4126567Suselle is in character. Enough of this insane cope
yes suselle is in character for chapter 5 susie, not in character for chapter 1, 2 and 3 susie, probably chapter 4 susie too
>>4126583Susie and Noelle had a mini date in chapter 2 though. Look dude, I don't like it either, but closing your eyes isn't going to make it any less real.
>>4126589Yes it will. Suselle is fake and disgusting, Robert's a faggot for going through with it
>>4126583Suselle wanted to hang out with Noelle more in Chapter 2 and was insecure about ferris wheel rides not being romantic in 4.
>>4126598>Suselle wanted to hang out with NoelleWho is Suselle and what did she do to Susie?
>>4126600That's their NG+ fusion after Susie absorbs Noelle's boss monster soul.
>>4125625I said better and he gave me better.
>>4126604He didn't though.
Susie (the dino girlfriend I was promised in this dating simulator) is dead and was replaced by this gross dyke that after 5 chapters I've decided I actually hate
>>4126612This is the real reason 5 is hated btw.
>>4126614Personally I lost all hope only when she put on the ribbon
>>4126612But I thought Toby was an HMOFA chad??
>>4126612She died along Toby Fox and Avril Lavigne in Japan and the one you see now is a colored vessel
>>4126570Here's my hot take.It's not in character for Noelle but it is for Susie. Noelle especially is not being genuine.
>>4126617he's a gross western yurifag with zero subtly or nuance on the topic, hence suselletemmie is trying to salvage it into tasteful nip styled angsty yuri, which is kriselle
>>4126518Would have made a better secret boss than >>4125134
>Kris used flirt
>>4126224>the fake chairiel and the REAL chairiel never became darkners in chapter 3yes I'll whine about it
>>4126632Why are the Deltachuds so opposed to FemKris? Are they gay?
>>4126612The Susie we all liked died after Chapter 1 and was replaced with this illiterate "heart le gold" retard who only had our good graces because of the Krusie Friendship scenes prior to Krusiefags and Krisellefags being RAPED by Chapter 5.
>>4125726Don't insult the fun climbing sections when a more obvious issue of chapter 4 are the stupid fucking dark sections, all three to four of them, remove all of them and the stupid simon says boss anf the game improves overall
>>4126219>>leans on "aren't dating sims WEIRD??" otaku humor that was already played out in UndertaleIt's really fucking weird how Toby is this much of a weeb but also has so much contempt for some of the most foundational aspects of otaku culture.>>feels like a faceslap to anyone who wanted a serious 5th Shadow Crystal bossRamb/Eram/Knight/Gerson/Mikes/Trashy Trio were already a gigantic kick in the balls of people who wanted more in the lines of Jevil and Spamton, might as well continue the trend.
>>4126638>and the stupid simon says bossIf you hate Sound of Justice you have no heart
At the beginning of the ch5 dark world I thought asgore was gonna become an Otaku and sink into escapism or sum shit to get away from his shitty life
>>4126544to be fair to her I wanna do the same thing to them
>>4126639Or maybe Toby the erogames master delegated the Pink fight to one of his ten slaves (so he could not take responsibility when the fight sucked afterwards), I mean he has to justify their salaries somehow
>>4126643Turns out escapism wanted him and he said "No way flowers"
>>4126647Asgore really said anime isn't real and I'm too old for that gay shit
>>4126638>the fun climbing sectionsThat shit REPLACED what should have been boss fights.Trash ALL OF THEM and just make more mid bosses, like a Miss version for the other two elemental enemies or something.>the stupid fucking dark sections>remove all of them and the stupid simon says bossOh no, the dark worlds are actually dark for once? The horror.And the problem with the gerson statue was finishing off killing the fun mood from the game after 3/4 in a way that makes 5 feel just awkward.The whole thing would have been fine if it had been chapter 5 or 6 instead.
>>4126643Asgore's role was a disappointment YET he was done nowhere as dirty as Toriel somehow, or any of the other NPC lightners we got after ?Berdly and Noelle.Truly a microcosm of how I felt about 5 as a whole.
You can tell the climbing haters never dropped down a tileless space while exploring or got the princess ribbon
>>4126642I don't hate hate it but it's just aura and otherwise wastes my time with mid gameplay. Colored shadows are cool I guess? Music is ehhh sure if you want Toby's take on Pristine Beat. Ralsei scene afterwards was long overdue so I'd keep that but the rest idk.
>>4126617That was a 4chan hallucination, which is why we have the prophecy brainwashing and guest writers cope.
>>4126636they probably think liking a game with a female protagonist makes them troons or some shit
>>4126652Even Noelle and Berdly were retroactively fucked over, Noelle's about to get reheated Chapter 2 nachos for her character arc (now with 100x more Suselle) for Chapter 6 and Berdly's earnest character development now only exists so he can be a Suselle cuck because he's not allowed to do anything but pine for the main cast.
>>4126636Kris's best ships are with women and they need to appear trad and based because it's all performative for them
>>4126660Kris can make lesbians based I believe in them
>>4126651Disagree. Replaying the game three times it's clear the dark sections are far more of a stinker than the climbing. Well if you'd want that and the titan to appear in endgame like in Pokémon that's another debate yeah. I feel like chapter 4 was originally just the dark shit and Jack and climbing were added later because it would have effectively be very lackluster.
>>4126636Lingering old shame from when they used to default to FemFrisk and FemChara, constantly shipping them with Sans in a way that either made Sans a pedophile groomer (met Frisk as a kid and watched her grow up, now getting flustered by a big-breasted flirtatious woman) or the king of haterape in genocide.
>>4126657Probably this, this type of fan usually loves sexualizing Chara but never Frisk or Kris. Horseshoe theory is right, both sides think think they're the character that they're playing.
>>4126643Anime darkworld is weird in generalUnless Kris was a secret Mew Mew kissy cutie fan all this time
I left this thread for a week and I'm seeing the same posts as when I left.
>>4126653ikr it's not even difficult and the fun part is using it to dash sonic style
>>4126667we have to wait until halloween to start neo-posting
>>4126667There's nothing new to talk about. We don't give a shit about the merch so we have no reason to have a meltie over the decreasing quality of the merch over the years, nor are we MikeTWT who might actually spark the first real meltie of change over how the already dogshit-looking Battat plushies are proving to be even worse in make and quality.
>>4126667Well yeah i'm still in my bed doing nothing with my life, did you expect me to change?
>>4126658But at the very least they got their chance to shine in 2. Toriel slept through TV World and will never get another shot at dark world shenanigans, Undyne jobbed and was written out of the story instantly, Catti and Jockington cucked out of relevancy forever, Asgore barely did anything, Maddie was misused, Gerson was defanged and 6/7/7b will be serious chapters for big boys so none of that "fun" buzzword.
>>4126671qrd?
>>4126674nta but people are complaining that the fangamer merch is cheap bargain bin shit despite charging rape prices
>>4126674https://x.com/colliholly/status/2108443660371280160
>>4126675Post them I want to laugh at Miketards
>>4126636>>4126663>>4126664Imho Chara looks like a girl so she'd be considered a girl even if she wasn't confirmed to be one. Kris looks and behaves like a boy no matter how you look at it and Frisk also looks boyish, since he has shorter bangs than Chara, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on because Frisk is obviously a self insert character. Maybe it's because I'm not a burger so I don't see girls with short hair but to me Kris doesn't have a female haircut as much as he has a Beatles one.
>>4126671>>4126675ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME EVEN THE MERCH WAS A LET DOWN ABOUT MIKEHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAYOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>Toby hates his fans so much he deliberately makes the plushies about his fans self-insert shitty
>>4126667Isn't it FUNNY?THREE ENTIRE NEW CHAPTERS and they can't hold up discussion for a year the same way chapter 2 + sweepstakes managed to held for well over 3 years of WAITING.But /v/ isn't ready to admit the massive disappointment this whole thing was.
>>4126660You're right tbsqh, Kris lacks good male characters for him, Ralsei is just okay and Berdly is a fucking meme compared to Susie and Noelle, if Kris had someone like i dunno, similiar to Spamton or Jevil i would lean more towards femkris
>>4126660... In opposition to women, gays and trannies who are never performative??
>>4126678>Oh hey that's a funny fan product-what KEKAROOOOO
>>4126678Post it please all the x.com mirrors were downed
>>4126683Because after Chapter 2, Toby realized he can't actually progress the story without risk of people figuring out what happens in the fever dream ending, or what the big reveals about shit like Knight, Ralsei, Kris, Gaster, Weird route, etc. might be in advance, thus making the impact of those moments feel weaker because fans can just point and go "aha, knew it, knew it for the past five years!" and then be like "...huh. this was better in my head. damn Toby you're washed."
>>4126690https://files.catbox.moe/clynmp.jpg
>>4126691There was ALWAYS the option to just keep the chapter 2 bullshit rolling with more meme characters and lightners brushing off everything as a dream again, but NOPE. 3 and 4 just HAD to be a cliché anti escapism diatribe instead of that.
Has Battat always been the same green as greentexts? Is he us?
>>4126692>Toby reminds people about fan merch stuff and shit not long ago>Fangamer pop this shit upLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the dog can't catch a break, not even his faultToby is so lucky that people have so much patience on him
>>4126694some other anon had made this proposal in the past but I can't find the post anymore
>>4126694Reminder that the default Vessel appearence is that of a faceless bald person. You just need to paint it green.
>>4126695>not even his faulthe made the deal with them, yeah?if so then it is his fault
>>4126693Haven't you figured it out yet? Susie gets all the good stuff, you don't. The game will end with Susie revealing herself as a virus with a message saying "grow up, loser"This man was allowed to touch pokemon, can you imagine what would happen if he got his hands on dragon questOh waitI know what would happen, if any of you ever saw that movie it gives a few hints
>>4126695Remember, he even risked his own reputation by chiming in on the spic drama over Fangamer shipping rates being overpriced just so they'd stop roasting his merch butt buddies.
>>4126696Simple. You have to match the hexa colors and see how close they match.I can see a dice being chosen because of "Roll"and GET shit in /b/.Then you have the two obvious green v shapes in his outfit which could be the green arrow.
>>4126701Raped™ by Susie award.
>>4126701>can you imagine what would happen if he got his hands on dragon questWhat's with you who keeps pushing that? Are you trying to jinx it?
>>4126704don't threaten /v/ with a good time!
I wasn't ready for Susie virus theory.
>>4126708Binesauce J-Joel.. In this day and age, on this board?
>>4126708She's basically Gaster's power fantasy OC donut steel who stole all the protagonist gains from the player, the virus shit is just to add a layer of meta "fuck you" to the player from CoL's seething delusions and a burning desire for Deltarune to pull a Spec Ops: The Line and put the player in the objective wrong for even buying and playing the game..
>>4126692If I were Toby I'd buy one, I'd cum on it and catbox it here some day with the caption "I raped you all". Of course there's no way we could prove it is him.
>>4126708guess what viruses look like
>>4126667This thread is less than a week old, though
>>4126680>since he has shorter bangs than Chara, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on because Frisk is obviously a self insert character.Frisk has almost the exact haircut as Chara and they aren't a self-insert. I respect your opinion though, but their hair is legit the same and they're so identical Asriel mistakes them for Chara.
>>4126701ohhhhhh and the shadow crystals are the anti-virus preventing Susie from infecting it
>>4126678Battat got RAPED.
>>4126716>ralsei knows fire magic because he's the firewall>he doesn't use it because it would block susieat last i truly see
>>4126686Horseshoe theory.
>>4126718>Forgotten Man was the original antivirus>one of the first things a competent virus does is completely nuke and isolate your antivirus so it can start propagating itself, just like how Forgotten Man was isolated into MANCOUNTRY and the Egg Rooms
>>4126468How does Susie use it against Gerson then
Gaster is more of a virus than Susie considering he literal destroyed the previous world of Deltarune.
>>4126544Yes but that's what makes her cute and better than Mew Mew
>>4126722The same way she uses it against Lancer in Chapter 1, the SOUL gets pulled into the battle box since otherwise that means you're either watching a glorified cutscene or you suddenly switch to controlling Susie's SOUL, which means now you can't see her dialogue due to MOTHER logic.
There is some strong meme magic around the Mikes with how they are consistently tied to the downfall of everything in Deltarune.
>>4126583Yeah that bit at the end of 1? Never happened.
>>4126726I can't imagine a world where Spamton didn't vaguepost about Mike and the TV Criminal. Without that, DELTARUNE would objectively be a completely different game.
>>4126720Nah it's value inversion here. Men are the unemotional sex.
>>4126705CoL loves being raped by Toby.
>>4126632It's boring that all they do is point
>>4126726Mike is the embodiment of better times though, at least for Spamton and Tenna.
>>4126680Some of the sprites in chapters 3 and 4 started making me a femkris believer, like this and the chef outfit during the cooking game just seemed more like a girl to me
>>4126716I thought the anti-virus was supposed to be FRIEND.
>>4126713Battat is green like Gaster. Battat is Gaster confirmed
>>4126722Actually intentionally but vague so we don't really know like the rest of the game kekwToby in the ch1 anniversary stream made a comment that the Soul coming offscreen from Kris cell is intended
>>4126713He's literally me
>>4126716I can't believe Deltarune is ripping off The desolate hope now.>>4126715If you look at the sprites, Chara's hair is connected so it looks like it's longer and just swept to the side on her forehead while Frisk's falls directly down. Not a 100% confirmation because Toby is sloppy with spritework, but that's my headcanon.
>>4126730He NEEDS his conspiracy theory vendetta to be proven correct. He NEEDS to see his childhood classics be RAPED after how furious he got that FF7 Remake allowed Aerith to live, because that's TOTALLY Toby Fox's fault and not because Aerith's death is one of vidya's most famous moments that it can't even be considered a secret anymore, even non-FF players know that Aerith dies, so the only way to make the moment shocking again for this remake's retelling is to make it so that Aerith lives.
>>4126726Mike is the ultimate rape Toby did to his fans.
>>4126735But Battat isn't the dad of Sans and Paps.
>>4126712I would do it with the Aqua merch, if i was fucking retarded and paid 19$ for this of course
>>4126736The Soul is shown to do weird reality warping stuff with the UI so it's probably that.
>>4126741Gaster isn't the dad though, he's the third brother.The brother Sans has been talking about all this time in Deltarune is Gaster, but they're both fucking with you because they made it seem like it's about Papyrus when he doesn't even exist yet.
>>4126738The difference is like, two pixels, but okay. It's just your headcanon I guess.
>>4126744I will only stop believing in Dadster after Toby throughly rapes me.
>>4126709All of my Internet culture references are from 2015-2018 and I'm assuming this is the same for the other anons here
>>4126747Gaster is still Dadster, but he's not the skelebros' dad, he's Susie's
>>4126739>because Aerith's death is one of vidya's most famous moments that it can't even be considered a secret anymoreI don't know anon not to be autistic but can't remakes just be remakes anymore? When will this trend of false advertising and desacralising end?
>>4126726This is scary as fuck. I would kill it immediately with a stick.
>>4126753Hahaha anon... there are three of them.
>>4126734Before Mew patch i would agree, but now that they want to genoslide Kris hand for protein i don't really know what's their deal
>hey guys check out my bible remake>so you see here, actually Judas is black now and Mary Magdalene is trans>actually Jesus lives at the end, I mean everybody expects him to die (lol) so I had to spice things a bit so old-timers would not get bored (lol and I just wanted to have fun with my silly writing uwu)
>>4126756>Oh my FRIENDS... the things they're gonna do... oh Kris you wouldn't want to know... oh the horror...
>>4126758The Archangel Michael? That's right! He was just a roman soldier in a shitty angel costume.
>>4126758Bible AU fanfiction...
>>4126758sins were actually a metaphor for being homophobic
>>4126758>>actually Jesus lives at the endThis actually happens though, Jesus miraculously resurrects and then ascends his renewed living body up to heaven.
>>4126758What level of raped™ is this?
>>4126762but enough about the Quran, Book of Mormon, Kardecism... and the Bible itself is Torah fanfiction.
They killed the Deltachud wiki
>>4126758OHHHHHHHHH the TEN commandmentsThose TEN commandments Do you wanna know what was written in these TEN commandmentsOHHHHHHHHH
does the bible remake still keep the part where they kill all babies?
>>4126776yea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRMn2HlCRFI
>>41267751. be nice to each other2. everyone can be part of the prophecy, y'know, so behave3... wait no that's it!!! forgot the other 8. but y'know what they say, if you forgot then it wasn't important lol
>>4126758>bible remake>actually Jesus lives at the endHoly mother of LARP
>>4126776They have a part where Jesus says my exact political opinion.
>>4126776it was scrapped because killing just one ruined satan's plans for armaggedon
Been thinking about downloading the very first SURVEY PROGRAM version for this Halloween and pretend it is the full game, how are you guys celebrating these 8 years?
>>4126791Don't forget to install it in an important folder so when you uninstall it, you lose everything for the full experience
>>4126797Oh yeah there was that. Where is the second release?
ReligionRune bible remake? let's go
Hold it right there, the pronoun police is on the case!
>>4126801I'm sure someone has archived every version, but the first installer is fine, you can extract the game without needing to install it, i still have it to show my true fan no one cares status
>>4126805hating on trannysei? no problems good comment
>>4126806THAT DAY, that Halloween was absolutely magical. I'd never guess this is where we'd be now, I just came out of that expecting to play a full game by 2025.
https://gamejolt.com/games/Really_Bad_Ending/1104680 here's a deltarune fangame where you can see kris slit susie's throat and kill noelle during the suselle scenehttps://youtube.com/shorts/S7v9ddGj6dk its also featured here if you just wanna watch it but the vid is sped up on that part
>some people REALLY want Deltarune to have it's own Trans Jax moment
>>4126805I love the double standard of not being against Trans Ralsei despite him being referred as he/him the whole game, yet complaining about a doubly hypothetical case where he would be referred to as she/her instead of they/them. Do these people even hear themselves?
>>4126812mentally ill fetishists demand that everything cater to their fetish, more news at 11
fun fact, the proof that they/them-ralseifags use to say he is a they/them, its not there in the japanese version
>>4126815He says he's against she/her-ing Ralsei though? Where did you get that, he's against both
>>4126756toby doesn't know either, it was just supposed to be a scary face but then he saw how popular FRIEND was so he added in that dialogue later to try to give them more relevance even though he doesn't know where it's going
>>4126817they just ignore that little tidbit it's far more likely toby just got hit with language degradation than purposefully changing ralsei's pronouns
>>4126812It has that Ralsei scene so yes, I want Toby to continue down this path until he gets known as the political guy by the zoomzoom crew in which identifying as a LGBTQ has already started to decrease.
>>4126821either way, the idea that toby would lock part of "ralsei's character development" into the english version and omitting it for his favorite japanese version is odd unless, of course, the whole they/them is just stupid things from the fandom repacked as a theory
>>4126758Undertale/Deltarune?
>>4126818He's against using non-preferred pronouns, even in hypothetical scenarios. It's still full-on leftie kookiness.
>>4126809The Suselle scene BROKE people.
>>4126809>see kris slitNice!>see kris slit susie's throatOh.
>>4126809archive it somewhere else in case the woke police comes to you and reports it
>>4126827OK, he's just adhering to game canon. What's the matter with that and not projecting your own headcanons? I can't believe you're trying to spin being anti-tralsei as crazy.
>>4126809Pure edgekino, the animation of Susie's blood spilling out is so fucking funny.
>>4126832Pronouns are the choice of the speaker, not the person being spoken about. He's not against it because he's based, but because it's not canon. If trans-Ralsei was ever canon, he'd support it retroactively by calling him "she". It's the same shit as Jax from digital circus.
>>4126832I'm guessing anon made a FemKris video and posted here this comment being a party-pooper but the guy isn't in the wrong it's just that he didn't share anon's enthusiasm in preaching the FemKris gospel.
>>4126835>If trans-Ralsei was ever canon, he'd support it retroactivelyWe have many of these types of guys here too. People who are just here to consume media and eat whatever slop Toby decides to cook just because it's Toby's.
>>4126830we could catbox it so that it's preserved
Everyone should have a FemKris girlfriend.
everyone should have a spider girlfriend
>>4126842Eh I don't like gay twinks
>>4126841https://files.catbox.moe/xwe6p5.zipit's up for two years
>>4126842I prefer other humans.
>>4126842kris is my daugher, not my girlfriend
>>4126841>>4126850alright, we'll try to preserve it for even longer if we can help it
>>4126858Are you treating your daughter well?
>October 10thAnd another HURRAH to the ONLY Undertale backer character to not only get speaking lines in Deltarune but also to get it in one of the most important spots in the entire game!
>>4126863>fat fetish OC gets to be lore relevant by existing in an Egg Room as a Forgotten Entity just like The Man>meanwhile Muffet only exists in vagueposts and was only paid off for an Undertale memberberry in the meme fight against the meme catgirlIt's not fucking FAIR
>>4126866the goldwidow and reference in a schizoboss fight is far more than so sorry got
>>4126866>Glyde nowhere to be found
>>4126858Is there anything more girlfriend material than a daughter
>>4126868ALLFUCKING REFERENCESYOU RETARDSo Sorry got to SAY THINGS by HIMSELFMuffet couldn't have even something like being a shop keeper at the festival, just ANOTHER REFERENCE with the spider poem
>>4126869We finally got Glyde's canon colors from the 10th anniversary stream, at the very least.
>>4126869Don't stop believingWe'll see his skeleton in the lake
>>4126869glyde confirmed to appear in future chapters after we've seen the overworld sprites
>>4126860i'm trying to all i know is that i must save her from the dinosaur that is presently ruining her life
>>4126866They're so sorry they stole Muffet's lore importance!
>>4126875Nah, his sprite was made specifically for the stream. The only sprite that wasn't included in the asset zip was Kid Noelle, confirming it's an asset from Deltarune, likely for an obligatory flashback sequence.
So I looked up "Deltarune So Sorry" and I just found this gigabased crazy thumbnail
>>4126880truke
Why did Kris search "how to do magic"? I thought magic didn't exist in the light world.
>>4126886Kris was probably a child back then
>>4126886thats how he learned the occult with Catti
>>4126461I really hope there's still at least one elitist Japanese fan somewhere who calls everyone who didn't play their language's PC-exclusive fan translation a fake fan>>4126469wrong Claire......>>4126639>has so much contemptI wouldn't go as far as calling it "contempt" since he's been a weeb forever, he just tends to reference it in an extremely self-indulgent, almost farcical way, which I still find obnoxious since I've never really liked most of the cheesy surface-level anime tropes he seems to love so much. Also ERAM + the Knight and Gerson were actually good subversions of the secret boss formula even if they weren't just Jevil and Spamton clones, at least they didn't feel like complete shitpostshappy So Sorry Day everyone >:)
>>4126858>Not making her your daughterfu like I do with Aqua, Frisk and CharaNgmi
Eram will save Chapter 6.
speaking of merch i bought this for 1 dollar on aliexpressit was a tough choice between him and starwalker, but i think ill get starwalker later if the radiation and heavy metals don't kill me
>>4126949FRIEND and his four little wieners...
>>4126941*7b
>>4126953im gonna dip em in milk
RudyKnight is REAL. Trust the plan.
hopefully 6 will rape all knight theorists into oblivion
>>4126960That's only possible for if it's Rudy (since he's dying that chapter). If it's anyone else, the knight's identity will remain secret.
>>4126960KNOELLEknight is the truthrudy broke his asscarol is evil and homophobic and will be the vaguepost queen before getting captured dess left to live in the code
>>4126962alphys knight would achieve all of that and so much more
>>4126970the fuck is this title
>>4126960Every single possibility will be debunked.Carol will be debunked because she's being kidnapped.Rudy will be debunked because he'll die before then.Dess and Abnormal Dess will be debunked because she'll suddenly appear at the cliffhanger, shocking Kris.Papyrus, Alphys, etc. will all be debunked because they'll exist onscreen at the same time as Knight.Even "Knight doesn't have an identity" will be debunked because it'll have its confirmed first piece of dialogue to mock the Shit Squad (and the playerbase at large) about the fact it's been there, living among them for years, and no one's figured it out.
>>4126976you didn't mention kriselle knight so by default that wins
>>4126980Ah yes, no one's batted an eye at the strange creature who looks like a twisted amalgam of Kris and Noelle living amongst them for half a decade.
>>4126980kriselle knight is noelle knight for cowards, so it loses by default
I'm sorry but nobody in town noticing an 8 foot tall magical armored knight floating around shatters my suspension of disbelief. That's one of the main problems with Dess Knight. The knight needs to have a regular monster form to not attract attention.
Here's your Omega Asgore fight bro.https://youtu.be/f4L2xtRrkgs
>>4126991It can't be any of the other Lightners either, since we know Knight retains its form in the Light World (else there's no fucking way it's restraining Undyne, who can bench press a car, or a beefcake like Asgore), and just saying it can NOT take that form takes away from the fact it's a body horror freak of darkness and it's all purely performative rather than a double-edged sword it has to work around.
>>4126993The knight only has light world powers during the night. During day it's in regular lightner form.
>>4126991It's a shadow demon. It can hide in the shadows during the day
>>4126995Right, so now we circle around to the next absurdity, that Rudy or Carol secretly FUCKING HATE their own daughter enough to spook her into "leaving" or otherwise banishing her into deepest dark, and are willing to bring about the prophesized apocalypse and add even MORE trauma and pressure onto their remaining daughter's fragile psyche, or that Asriel secretly FUCKING HATED his girlfriend.
>>4126997Personally I believe that it's a titan esc being with dess' soul born form "THAT OH SO BOOHOO HORRIBLE DAY"
>>4126998Nope. Doesn't explain how nobody sees it sneaking around.
>>4126997carol was strict and rudy was the mediator (in reality he did very little)dess was very thin skinned and fucked off one day after a little too much pushback, ruining the lives of everyone who knew her in the process
>>4127000Right, so now we paint Carol, Rudy or Asriel as so childish and petty that the entire world must suffer and end because Dess was a little bitch.
>>4126999It hides in the shadows during the day. It's a being of darkness after all so it can also work the same way Ralsei does to travel around during the day
>>4127001i don't think carol or rudy were being childish, dess absolutely would be in this hypothetical though, unless you think they're behind the knight conspiracy (they're not, carol will vaguepost and get nabbed and rudy will die of a broken ass/ turbocancer)asriel is tough to say, he's always been described as soft even if he did become the town gigachad, his girlfriend/ childhood best friend suddenly and abruptly leaving without telling anyone would almost certainly crush him
>>4127002Bro Ralsei does not travel in the light world. The knight has to physically move around into the library and church during daytime. That can only happen if it's a normal-looking person.
>>4126991Everyone in town are NPCs who don't bat an eye at anything>Toriel doesn't notice how she called the police and instead of arriving, Undyne goes missing>The church was looted and destroyed? Must be that wacky angel!There's the case to be made that because of their programming they might not even be able to perceive the Knight because it's a foreign entity to the game
>>4127005>the entire town doesn't question the impossibly dense traffic jam of greyscale cars that came out of nowhere and were seen NOWHERE during the actual busiest time of the year, the festival, or how it was caused by a singular little fucking dog
>>4127005you know who can pay attention and notice a big 10' tall hulking shadow monstrosity? noelleand yet she makes zero comment on it despite that her and the knight were factually in the same room in ch2curious
>>4127007Noelle and Berdly fell asleep.
>>4127009the two top students in the school just happen to have nap time when the knight is sulking around making fountains in the librarby?what a (((coincidence)))
>>4127005But Knight can't be a foreign entity, it's literally a part of the prophecy that's been baked into the world since its inception.Kris is just as foreign because that prophecy demanded a cage, a lone human in a world where only monsters seem to exist and humans only exist in the background to handwave this human's existence as unusual but not impossible.
>>4127005I actually agree with this, the people in the town are so retarded that you could have the Knight, in an unchanged form, could be carrying Undyne to the bunker in plain daylight, with her visibly resisting, and nobody would bat an eye at it.
>>4127013There's supposed to be A knight,whatever our knight is that we see in deltarune, that's not the prophecized knight
>>4127014>the conflict is only a conflict because the entire world is braindead retarded>the mystery is only a mystery because the entire world is braindead retardedI fucking hate idiot plots.
I WANNA GO BACK TO 2018also Mad Mew Mew became 8 years old past month but nobody remembered
>>4127004papyrus knight is the only theory that checks every box but people write it off because its too silly
>>4127017but anon, without the idiot plot we would've solved the mystery by nowthink of all the sales toby would've lost if the game was only 3 chapters because susie asked questions
god I wish I could just have played a repeat of chapter 2 another 3 times
>>4127021There wouldn't even BE a game because Kris never would've fucked with demons with Catti, and the parents would've actually watched over their damn kids while they were dicking around in the forest behind the graveyard, thus none of the potential events preceding the circumstances to create THAT DAY would happen.
>>4127021>Susie asks a question>it gets answered off screenIt wouldn't change shit. The mystery stopped being fair after Susie started hiding evidence from us in chapter 4.
>>4127025She doesn't even know you exist to know she was once again being a hypocrite about not telling someone the whole deal.
I love The Knight identity. Especially... The identity.I love Knight. Especially identity.Wait... wait
>>4127030to be fair being a selfish, self-centered hypocrite has been susie's entire post ch.1 character arc
>>4126812Trans Ralsei =/=Trans Jax. Trans Jax is more than a queer reveal at the 11th hour. It's the author feeding into a mental illness and narcissism by throwing away the story so that they can broadcast a self-indulgent battle with their younger self to their audience of impressionable teens and queer lapdogs. For it to be a true equivalent, it would have be something deeply reflective about Toby's personal life, while also completely hijacking the main story progression. Bonus points for being queer aligning so it can hide behind the shield of representation any time to comes under scrutiny. Some may argue that Suselle already fits this criteria with how it has been presented so far, but until Toby comes out as a lesbian in 2030, that claim up for debate.Now, do I think any of this will come to pass? No. Say what you want, but Toby is ABSOLUTELY nowhere near as big a narcissist as Goose. He's also a way, way better writer. Goose could NEVER write a story that is even 1/30th as good as Undertale.
man that angelisn't that somethingjust really, you knowman...
>>4127036>but Toby is ABSOLUTELY nowhere near as big a narcissist as Goose. doubt>He's also a way, way better writer. >Goose could NEVER write a story that is even 1/30th as good as Undertale.I think Goose was genuinely good when writing slapstick gags or characters being jerks to each other. The issues come when he tried giving depth to any of the characters.
>>4127036Suselle is the Jax of Deltarune, if you want a more apt comparison.It'd even tie into that "message to my younger self" situation because it'd so obviously reflect a bad experience teen Toby had where a childhood sweetheart lezzed out and hooked up with some new bitch before he could ever work up the courage to confess.
>>4127036>toby>not a narcissist he absolutely is, but he's the more outwardly insecure type who needs constant affirmation he's also smart enough to hide his public persona whenever possible as to not ruin his reputation online
>>4127036Trans Ralsei means Roulx groomed him
Now that i think about it, is Noelle the only one that doesn't vaguepost? since we can read her mind and she can't shut up about her past and the blogs, we know so much about Kris thanks to her
>>4127054Noelle still vagueposts about That Day.
>>4127048>not a narcissistNever said he wasn't. Just that Goose is higher on the scale than him.
>>4127054She is not vague but Noelle is unreliable. She doesn't fully understand what she feels and sometimes even lies to herself.
Ralsei is one of the most uninteresting characters to make a transgender coming out arc of, being trans doesn't solve his character arc and doesn't serve the story either. It's inherently a self indulgent fanfic-tier theory
>>4127033and the game keeps rewarding her for it and never truly challenging her selfish desires nor putting them under scrutiny, even the token "teaches the main character" trope sage stand-in character known as gerson was made to agree with Susie's shallow desire of things staying the same forever
>>4127054Unreliable narrator, she was traumatized so horribly about THAT DAY that she froze up just hearing "December" out of context as a child, but now she can fondly reminisce about the time her, Kris, Dess and Asriel dicked around in the woods behind the graveyard, which they do while spelling December, which heavily hints that this was the moment that precedes THAT DAY and the events that either broke Dess so badly she "left" after they got out of the implied jam, or banished her into deepest dark, and Noelle memoryholed that banishment because that'd require her to try and comprehend the incomprehensible.
>>4127021And? Don't care. I'm not interested in mysteries I want an adventure
>>4127055You mean when she says that Dess left in wr and didn't elaborate? well at least she dared to namedrop her instead of spamming that day
>>4127054With the SethSpecs she's like "kinda looks like..." so we have no idea if she's talking about asriel or dessNo one finishes their sentences in this damn game
If Susie was not meant to be the second hero, this entire game was ruined by her infecting it with her presenceSusie is a virus she acts like a virus
>>4127063t. susie
>>4127066Or if she's just talking about Berdly, because Seth is obviously the biggest Berdly fan in Deltarune.
>>4127068You're the virus. You were injected into this game that was only made accessible because Gaster broke a way in via his SURVEY_PROGRAM, and everyone either hates you for it or is scared of you because of your destructive potential.
>>4127005That's just monsters being quirky creatures.
>>4127073In other words, proof that Deltarune wouldn't work if it wasn't an idiot plot.
>>4127069Bs, Susie loves the mystery shit, see chapter 4
>>4127066lmaooooo
>>4127055Noelle has a mental block over it.
>>4127066NERDess would be funtomboy dess is fine and all but i've grown tired of it, nerd dess is the more interesting of the two anyways as long as she isn't an alphys expy
During the chapter 1 era I thought that there was no point in trying to theorise because it would be impossible to figure stuff out while only having like 1/8th of the game and that things would be clearer when more chapters came out. 8 years and 4 more chapters later I still hold the same opinion because toby is the lamest nigger alive
>>4127072Sounds like you made it shit on purpose then. Because you are malicious developer.You know who's a bigger loser than some guy who just wants to have an adventure in an adventure game? The developer who spent hundreds and hundreds of hours of his life in programming just to tell the player that they don't deserve it and should hand it over to some fictional character, that's the real loser right there. Hope both your hands fall off.
>>4127044>suselle is a fixfic for toby's failed teen romanceFFS I didn't even consider that angle but it's not out of the question.
https://youtu.be/NKnIQfMQ7cU here's a chapter 5 kralsei mod
>>4127085i still theorized during chapter 1 to 2 days because i treat it as harmless fun and still do>toby is the lamest nigger alivethis is also true
>>4127085I gave a try to theorizing during the chapter 2 era because I replayed Undertale and noticed how plain the foreshadowing for all sorts of stuff was there, and how the foreshadowing for 2 was in 1.Now my theories are all based on contrarianism and I've been getting shit right way more often.
>>4127104Example?
>>4127085Yup. All because he got greedy for merch sales that it necessitated the episodic release format, the game isn't actually allowed to start the story until its final chapter because he doesn't want anyone to "solve" Deltarune before he's ready to tell us anything.
>>4127091Hell yea->click the mod link>mod creator's avatar has a trans flagwell the mod could still be good>click aroundralsei's talking about how the dress made him question things about himself and that he really liked itok nevermind then it's shit
>>4127085It's the most sensible position but it is strange to see that when we're 60% of the way through the game.
>>4127106asgore not the chapter bossmale integrity
>>4127113never trust a tranny to make a solid yaoi fanfic
>>4127113it's the deltarune fandom, of course there's gonna be trans ralsei shit in it, at least watching the princess dialogue optional, you could be seeing ralsei troon out in over a bajillion mods by the time deltarune ends and transei isnt confirmed (but you'll still have retards insisting that ralsei is trans)
>>4127127You misunderstand Kralsei is not yaoi to me, I only like Kralsei because I'm a femkris believer now
>>4127145tori always loved psuedo incest...
>>4127145femkris is on the same level as tranny ralsei for me so i can not relate
>>4127113The worst part is that's actually in character for him, just see the way he was with the horst costume
>>4127113ralsei gets turned on by cross dressing theory
>>4127104That's because toby is a bargain bin contrarian dipped in talent. I firmly believe he would not be nearly as up his own ass as he is now if he had just waited to release the full game after ch1, but with the reception for that and 2, the game started being made to be consumed in parts over the course of a long period of time. There's no way the game resembles his dream anymore outside of ch1, ch7, and WR at this point. The rest is purely fluff for the masses to react to.
>>4127167He could've waited, much the merch he started selling not even TWO WEEKS after that demo released made big dick profits, so that told him he needs MORE quirk chunugus characters, MORE Ralsei outfits, MORE everything to profit off it.Thus, the episodic method was taken, to the absolute net detriment of everything except Chapter 7 and 7B.
>Doubt, Irony, that's what ruins your story>The story became so big, it consumed itselfWhy did Toby truth nuke himself?
>>4127173he's a larper at heart he larped as an edgelord, he larps as a niphe even larped that he was a great storyteller
>>4127117>integrityAdd it to the list.
>>4127177Will anyone make a female integrity
>>4127173>story is inherently full of doubt because he's insecure of letting anyone know how the story plays out prior to Chapter 7>story is full of irony ("unique and memorable theme", constant fandom reactions, Trashy Trio is LITERALLY MAKING FUN OF THE *MAIN ANTAGONIST*)He raped himself.
>>4127179He's a coward not showing anything about the actual story until it happens Should have released a finished game
>>4127173He either knows exactly what he is doing wrong or he is completely unaware and doesn't think his ship is sinking
>>4127167Agreed that we'd be better off if he released it all at once, but I doubt he had a vision for what any of the filler between 1 and 7 would look like. He writes his stories from the top down and makes shit up along the way.
>>4127179only /v/eltarune will salvage this shit showit's have themes and such, femkris, stakes that matter, good pacing, noelle kngiht, susie gf, ralsei rancher, you name it
>>4127180The merch sales were too good, bro. He needed to put more money in his pockets, Fangamer's pockets, BLM's pockets AND Islam's pockets, bro.
when the FUCK will fennekinfox326 release a video on chapter 5?it's been over 3 months, I know you're lurking fag
>>4127187yeah how would he make one of ralsei's running gags be that he turns into literal real world merchandise of himself while telling you exactly how much it costs so you know how much to spend when you buy it on fangamerfucking greedy cunt
>>4127173Irony doesn't mean "taking the piss out of stuff I wanted to take 100% seriously".
>>4127190I shouldn't be taking the literal antagonist of the story seriously? The one who's trying to ensure the prophecy goes down the Fountains Freed path of the crossroads by encouraging the opening of Dark Fountains, thus inching the world closer to being raped by The Roaring? The one who's manipulating Kris into being an antagonist too?
>>4127173* Yep, yep. And so they changed parts of the story.* Of course, the biggest fans got mad... but, isn't it interesting?* The book was already just an interpretation of something else.* Stories can be retold. They can be changed... That's what I believe.* What? Translations? No, I'm not gonna get my stories translated to any language I don't speak. What if they change the details?
>>4127191You shouldn't demand they be taken seriously at all times even when they're not currently acting as a threat, no. No element of a story is "sacred".
>>4127193The literal narrative itself does not respect or care for Knight as the main antagonist. It's making riffs of its flavor text during a literal meme joke fight.I don't remember Undertale taking the piss out of Flowey at any point aside from introducing Toriel. What the actual fuck is this?.
>>4127193Then i dont give a shit. The story is a joke, you canny demand that I respect his writing
>>4127194>I don't remember Undertale taking the piss out of Flowey at any point aside from introducing TorielYou're right, it moves on to taking the piss out of whoever is meant to be the antagonist at the moment. While Papyrus is acting as an antagonist, the writing makes a fool of him. Then Undyne. Then Mettaton. Asgore has spent the whole game being called a big softie, a family man with some doofy blind spots, and so on. Nobody in Undertale has the kind of "respect" you want Deltarune to give to the Knight.>>4127195Good. If you need your story to take itself more seriously than Deltarune does then you don't want Deltarune.
>>4127197>Nobody in Undertale has the kind of "respect">...except Flowey, who only gets dicked once to introduce Toriel, and is then treated as a serious antagonist for the entire remainder of the gameThanks for confirming my point that it's obscene that the literal main antagonist is being treated as insignificant and not even dangerous.
>>4127192You know that's funny because Andrew Hussie has joked a lot about who really has ownership of a story and what happens once its in the public's hands, Then he threw a fit and demanded the only fansite that was hosting a working version of the entire Homestuck webcomic to shut down.
>>4127198>Flowey only gets dicked onceIf you think the way the omega Flowey fight goes was "respectful" then lmao, even the knight got better in its actual fight.
>>4127197I don't want deltarune anymore, change it
Gerson was actually Toby way to say that the changed part of the story was Gigi doing
>>4127192* But if you dare misgender my charcters...well...That's a reference to the troon ideology of how they'll just kill you if you use the wrong pronouns and celebrate your death
>>4127203The only parts she would've wrote are the faggot shit with Yellow and Blue, she's a hardcore yaoifag nowadays based on her current work, Soriel shipping notwithstanding as the exception that proves the rule.
>Kris and Noelle spent time at the lake as kids and they always wanted to know what was on the other side>Susie ruined it for both of them
>>4127206The solution is very simple. Kris needs to punch back, Susie is still a kissless virgin.
>>4127202I want Deltarune the way it seems to be going, so I hope he doesn't.
Spoiler warning, after beating ERAM and [redacted] this will be the final boss of the game.
You know, i think the issue here is that people have completely lost the plot by chapter 5, and of course its easier to just dismiss the whole thing than to try figuring it out. Hence the doomposting.
>> weird route had to skip ch5 because flowery genuinely would have beaten Kris to deathAnother reason why he's the best darkner
>>4127206What?
>>4127207did this artist post anything after chapter 5 dropped?
>>4127214Is that why the writers took the easy way out and replaced the whole chapter with nothing
>>4127217>replacedReplaced? Replaced what?
>>4127218The battlesThe castle townThe dark world
>>4127218He's of the delusional belief Weird Route was supposed to be nonstop chapters of "NOELLE CAST SNOWGRAVE AND INSTAKILL THEM!!!!!!!1" because he got too hype for Genocide 2 after being cockteased at the end of Chapter 1, he's been CRAVING Genocide 2 for the past eight years.
>>4127219What battles? What castle town? What dark world? The weird route never had any of those exclusive to it. Chapter 5 had all of those normally.
>>4127219You're acting like theres some magical "better chapter 5" that was replaced by the current chapter 5, when thats not the case.
>>4127221Yeah and the weird route got rid of all of it and replaced it with nothing, and gave up on making a weird route for chapter 6
>>4127224There doesn't need to be a chapter 6 weird route because that's not what the weird route is about. Perhaps instead of seething everytime something you don't want happens, you could try understanding why that is the case?
>>4127225The weird route seems to be about nothing. There is literally nothing in ch5 weird route
>>4127227Are you retarded? Do you have an inability to read text?
>>4127227No, it's about accessing Chapter 7B, which otherwise cannot be reached. What will Chapter 7B entail? Only Toby knows, but it's clear there's a lot waiting for us there, since just like the regular Chapter 7, he backloaded the majority of what Weird Route will actually be about into the endgame so no one can figure out what'll happen before it happens, especially with a route that's been fundamentally unpredictable since speculation about "what happens next!?" began way back in 2021..
>>4127229I can read. I hate what I read.
>>4127227There is the road to 7B and an explanation of how 2B leads there.
>>4127231CoL stop fishing for attention you low functioning autistic faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFFoL7tsYNsWow. "Sheldon Theory". What a stupid fucking name right? Anyways i didn't watch this theory and im just using it covering the same idea as an excuse to discuss this. Thoughts on chapters 1, 2 and 3 paralleling chapters 5, 6 and 7?
>>4127235>gives him attention anywayReal smart of you, Anon-san.
>>4127238It'd check out, 6 is basically guaranteed to be reheated Chapter 2 nachos (but with significantly more Suselle) because Noelle needs to stand up to her mother, which will go down largely the same way as her needing to learn to stand up to Queen.
>>4127234Could have went straight to chapter 7b and got the same resultKind of like how the actual chapter 7 will be
>>4127241No, you couldn't have.>b-but my choices won't matterHaving the "correct" set of flags tripped isn't what matters in your experience of a game.
>>4127241Yup. You could genuinely just skip Chapters 3-6 and miss nothing aside from knowing what Knight looks like and getting confirmation that Kris is working with Knight. Everything else is just reiterating on what we already know, vagueposting in such an abstract way that we can't actually discern the meaning of it, or literal in-universe stalling and wasting time.
>>4127239You have to tell him to kill himself so he gets the memo. He has autism, you see..
>>4127244He'll just accuse you of being pro-Islam since you're so eager to wish death on someone.
>>4127220Genocides 2 is gonna come in the form of the Vessel and Hometown Massacre in 2028 anyways.
>>4127243You would miss, oh, i don't know, the entire plot of the game???
>>4127246Why?
>>4127247The plot being the story literally stalling itself for full years to stop anything from happening is not a good plot.
>>4127247What plot? Opening Dark Worlds with no point but to waste my time? A MacGuffin hunt that no character actually cares about fulfilling and only suddenly remembers "wait, I should be doing this!" when it literally falls into their lap, no effort required? Watching Kris sit in the cuck chair? Listening to characters vaguepost about OOOHHHHH THAT DAY KRIS, THAT HORRIBLE DAY... YOU KNOW THE ONE, THAT DAY KRIS OOOOHHH...?
>>4127242Well, having my time wasted and getting my adventure stolen isn't what matters either, because it harms my experience.
>>4127250>WHAT THE FUCK IS "GAME DEVELOPMENT" AND "PACING"???? TOBY FOX GIVE ME 999 CHAPTERS AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO ME RIGHT NOWWWWWWWWWWW
jesus fucking christ he performed mitosis
>>4127253>IT'S *NORMAL* THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE FINAL CHAPTER OF THE GAME TO LEARN BASIC STORY INFORMATION LIKE "what are the motives of the protagonist and antagonist?" IN A GAME THAT'S TAKING A FULL DECADE TO BE MADE WHILE BEING RELEASED IN AN EPISODIC FORMAT!
>>4127253I have played games made quicker than this one that were able to be gone through without full dungeons made ONLY to waste your time. No excuse for the millionaire, I gave him a chance, he lost it.
>>4127249Mantle 3 implies it
>>4127251This. This is the extent of what chapters 4 and 5 have given to my experience of Deltarune. And I hated it. Both of these chapters were awful.
>>4127251>>4127255>>4127256>HELP ME I CAN'T READ!!! HELP ME ANON!!! ANON PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PLOT TO ME I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON!!!! I CAN ONLY READ THE MOST SURFACE LEVEL FEATURES OF A STORY!!!!>I CAN'T READ SUBTEXT OR MAKE OBSERVATIONS OR DO ANYTHING!!! WHEN I READ THE PLOT I JUST STARE AT THE TEXT IN COMPLETE CONFUSION BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING!!!! HELP ME ANON!!!! YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE PLOT OF THE GAME TO ME AGAIN ANON!!!!!
>>4127257That's, like, your headcanon, bro. It could just be a cutscene you don't get to play. Or it could not happen at all, just like how we're completely skipping the Ice Palace Dark World in Weird Route.
>>4127259Tell me who Knight is and what their motive is, then. Go on, let's hear it, since it's apparently so obvious and clear that you'd have to be literally retarded to not know by now.
>>4127254Around 60% of the /v/ has the exact mental profile as Crusader of Light.
>>41272607B is literally confirmed to have gameplay and bosses and Maps.
>>4127264But it's not confirmed to be Hometown Masscare. It could just be against generic Titan Spawn and other Darker-than-Dark entities.
>>4127262Dess and their motive isn't necessary to know at this point in the plot.>B-BUT I HAVE TO KNOW THEIR EXACT BACKSTORY AND MOTIVATIONS NOWWWWWWW!!!It's called pacing.
>>4127259How the fuck do you justify continuing the game where you get no in universe motivation to progress and get punished for simply trying to walk to the left.And where the fuck do you get the gall to shove that into my face and demand I call it normal.
I hope Toby puts a reference to CoL next Chapter.
>>4127267>DessSee image of >>4126991>erm... the motive doesn't matter?Do you even fucking hear yourself? Why the main villain is doing main villain things doesn't matter? Even though it's literally the driving force behind every single Dark World we've entered, whether ones they've directly made or ordered Kris to make?
>>4127268Sorry Crusader of Light, but Imam Toby Fox, defender of the Ummah won... You have to accept non-conventional storytelling in all JRPG's now... That's just the way it is...
>>4127272He can have fun in prison then. Hope he doesn't get raped.
>>4126991>picThe callers during Noelle's house segment being two different people implies that the Knight and Carol are two different groups and running plans in parallel.
>>4127272I just got the word, Toby Fox is replacing Horii as the director for Dragon Quest 12... the game's gonna be RAPED... and Japan's gonna love it because the boomers are all dying out and kids will finally be able to get hooked on Dragon Quest as to revitalize the franchise... they're gonna remake all the other games with new Toby-approved rewrites... just like what happened to FF7R (that Toby ALSO wrote)...
>>4127275>Aerith: we can change it...make it right>Sephiroth: seven seconds until the end
>>4127271>Well if i play dumb then actually Dess CAN'T be the knightOkay.>Why the main villain is doing main villain things doesn't matter?Wow, has there ever been a piece of media where the villains motive was only explained at or near the end? Has that ever happened before? Has it, Anon? Do you recall any media where this has ever happened? Is this possible? Can you think of any reason why Toby Fox wouldn't have the Knight explain their motivations as soon as their onscreen? Can you even think of a scenario where they would explain their motives onscreen, before chapter 6/7?
>>4127273The Japanese have accepted him Anon... He's not being imprisoned... Japanese children ASPIRE to be like LORD Toby Fox... They're gonna grow up to make more subversive non-traditional JRPG's that AREN'T about completing the mission.... you're just gonna have to live like this...
>>4127278>erm... you're playing dumb!Either it's Dess but she's being retarded, or it's an entirely new character wearing Dess as a skin suit to explain why she doesn't give a shit to try and come back home.>.Can you even think of a scenario where they would explain their motives onscreen, before chapter 6/7?Yeah, in the Deltarune that wasn't made to be a merchandise whore game, the one where we only got Chapter 1 and then there weren't any further releases until the full game came out. Thus, Toby could actually tell the story across all seven chapters instead of ONLY Chapter 7 because the insecurity of "uuuuuuu they're gonna predict how the game will go like five years before it actually happens... that means my writing sucks..." won't exist, as everyone will be able to simply play Deltarune from start to finish over the spam of a weekend.
>>4127280>Either it's Dess but she's being retarded, or it's an entirely new character wearing Dess as a skin suit to explain why she doesn't give a shit to try and come back home.I see you have a complete and total inability to make observations based on analysis. Perhaps this explains why you post like this.>Well actually i would have no releases for an entire decade because then i could just skip to chapter 7.If you hate the episodic format so much why don't you stop engaging with deltarune and wait until it's fully released? Hmmmm?????
>>4127278We don't know the actual motivations of anyone besides Susie. You don't need to reveal the whole plot, but practically nothing of substance has been revealed for half of the game.>oh, the prophecy panels, the terrible prophecy panels. Hold on, this one about the Angel seems to be important. It could give us some insight on the plot! Let's see what it say->BRAAAAAP! Haha, Sorry Anon. I'm a dumb lizard so I destroyed it, whoopsie.You genuinely have to be retarded to call this pacing. This isn't pacing, this is FILLER. And the ch5 filler beach episode SUCKED and KEKED.
>>4127282Because that won't change the fact that Deltarune will still spend Chapters 3-6 accomplishing jack shit, meaning half of the game is filler. And I'm FORCED to engage with that filler in order to obtain the Shadow Crystals, Eggs and good equipment, since even though Kris canonically has interest in the Shadow Crystals, his bum ass won't get them unless I force him to.
>>4127283The motivation of susie is the motivation of a virus, to ruin the entire game from the moment she appears
>>4127283Since when does the word cuc-ked get turned into keked?
>>4127283>AAGGGHHH SAVE ME ANON I CAN'T READ YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN THE GAME FOR ME AGAINAll main characters besides explicit mystery niggas like the Knight have had their motivations shown to you. You are just retarded.>>4127284But they aren't filler? Actually as a matter of fact how is chapter 2 NOT filler by this metric? It's literally the most filler chapter in the game without the weird route.
>>4127289Ch2s dark fountain ain't made to waste time
>>4127292It is LITERALLY, CANONICALLY a timewaster fountain. The Knight isn't really planning anything big by opening it and you're just dicking around having fun the whole time.
>>4127293Cyber World was literally made to be an escapist fantasy for Noelle that'll also help her in the real world.>takes her to the big city Dess meant to bring her to before THAT DAY happened to give her a pocket of joy before the inevitable tragedy of her father's passing>gives Noelle an environment that she can learn to build her backbone so she can stand up to a character who's meant to parallel her mother so she doesn't completely fall apart when Carol becomes even more of a control freak following Rudy's passing
>>4127294If this is the metric to not count as filler than chapter's 3-6 aren't filler. So the base argument here is wrong... And the person who made it is a fucking retard...
>>4127293At least you don't have the thing made right in front of you when you're trying to progressLike chapter 5 didWhat a shit scene that wasLiterally the only thing to look forward to after the lake scene was that I had a chance to make actual progress and I was punished for even trying
>>4127295Tenna has no grand ambition, neither does floweryThe Queen is actually trying to bring out more dark Fountains
>>4127296You weren't punished. Kris was ALWAYS going to make Flower Kingdom at some point on that day. The prophecy literally told you that The Flower Man will be trapped in asylum, and so far Kris and Knight have been VERY set on making the prophecy happen for reasons we do not yet know.Kidnapping Asgore ensures The Flower Man is trapped in asylum, and Flower Kingdom is the easiest way to safety net it since it keeps Asgore swept up in his delusions while also being distracted by his flowers, leaving him totally susceptible to getting kidnapped without a chance to fight back.
>>4127296Did you not get the memo CoL? Shut the fuck up no one cares about your opinions.
>>4127299I want my games back before I shut up
>>4127294>exclusively character development shit that didn't need an entire chapter dedicated to itdeltarune would benefit so much from shaving off like two chapters from it
>>4127300Oh, now Toby is retroactively taking away your games? He stole your copies of Dragon Quest entirely so you can't play them anymore? Wow, your vendetta continues to get crazier and crazier.
>>4127298So the game can literally pull any excuse out of its ass to do this again and again and again for the entirety of the gameThat is not an adventure
>Shitpost like a retard>People still desperately argue with you hoping that they'll convince you you're wrongThe internet is a dumb place you know
>>4127303The prophecy must be fulfilled. This is Kris and Knight's currently known goal. Why they want to do this, we don't know, but it's extremely important to them.It's why Kris made a Dark World in his own house, so Knight could cleave Lord of Screens red with blade. It's why Knight made a Dark World in the computer lab, so the Queen's Chariot could prove unstoppable.
>>4127306Where does the fucking shelter code "quest" factor into any of it
>>4127305Maybe Robert "F.uck traditional Jrpgs" Fox is wrong.
>>4127307It's a distraction to make sure Susie can't charge into the shelter and force the final confrontation early. You're obsessed with a misdirect because you convinced yourself this is the "main goal".Kris could literally open the shelter whenever he wants, but he won't, because otherwise that skips parts of the prophecy and jeopardizes the plan.
>>4127301remember that back in the ch1 days toby only spoke about chapters 2-5 also existing it also took him until last year to mention ch6 at all outside of the chapter select
>>4127309So the game is wasting my timeWhy the fuck should I put up with this shit and call it normal and bleat its praises like the idiots all over the internet It's vile and disgusting that you can just play with my experience this way
Am i the only person left in the thread who wants to theorypost still.
>>4127313No one except you is insisting that you have to call it normal and like it. Are the people breathing down your neck threatening to donate another billion dollars to Israel in the thread with us right now?
>>4127315I don't need anyone breathing down my neck to do that
>>4127313Your "experiences" are utterly worthless and have no amount of meaning to anyone. At no point in time have you ever had anything of value to say, and no amount of spamming this thread will change that.
>>4127317Neither do yours.
>>4127314Maybe
>>4127318Actually people do infact care for what i post because i'm not a blabbering fucking retard.
>>4127317>AAAA I CAN'T READ. I CAN'T READ. I NEED SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN ME COL's EXPERIENCE AGAIN!Anon, you're unsalvageable. Maybe you should try reading the threas. Col will be explained in the ch7 thread and then you'll see how good his posts really are. You only think they are bad because you don't have access to all of them. It's a misdirection.
Will there be a CoL character in chapter 6?
>>4127321But Hiro doesn't do red herrings or misdirects. People were simply retarded and misinterpreted the Crusader Man post's meaning by fixating too hard on the wrong details.
>>4127287it only happens if its in all capsthey reverted the lowercase version but forgot to adjust the capital versionsee:cucked
>>4127322Yes he will literally be a small crusader who keeps talking and talking and talking and talking and
>>4127314For what it's worth, I would like to hear your theories.
>>4127314No point in theories when Toby told us we don't have all the details, and the details that actually let us figure something out instead of writing fanfiction that will ultimately only get the response of "what if the entire game sucked" won't come until Chapter 7 because Toby doesn't want theorists to be right.
>>4127327You're a retard who doesn't understand things, and you lash out when people point out that you don't understand things. Please for the love of god shut up i don't want to hear you vent about your debilitating mental retardation again.
>>4127314Theories were only fun when the game had more mystique to them, like in the chapter 2 era. Chapter 3+4 theories were less fun, but still interesting because all of the good theories usually drew from the now abundant sources of evidence. And then Chapter 5 rolled around and brought so little to the table, I think most people don't really care to do so anymore. A lot of the theories I've seen that were created post-chapter 5 are things that could've been thought up during the Chapter 3+4 era. Not to mention the fact that Toby seems to spite fan theories (despite claiming otherwise), it's just killed a lot of the fun that used to be there. But even beyond the Toby's weird relation with the fanbase, the simple nature of the game progressing in chapters means less people are going to theory craft. There's only so much that's actually important in the story, and only so much you can predict within it. Most people who actively make theories now are Youtubers trying to milk the game for content with absurd readings.
>>4127331>Toby seems to spite fan theories (despite claiming otherwise)Mental illnessu
reminder that the only two theories that managed to gain an even stronger position in ch5 than they had in 3&4 are femkris and noelle knight toby raped everyone else though
>>4127314no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>4127306>ueen's Chariot could prove unstoppable.Queen's chariot was stopped, though?
>>4127314post your theories, if you dare
>>4127336And then the prophecy redefined it as GIGA Queen to preserve itself, because "chariot" is a vague term that can be reinterpreted.
>>4127238Okay im going to revert the topic of this post... Is this true? Are there any meaningful observations you can make off of this regarding chapter 6's story? Who's the Spamton of chapter 6?
>>4127336the new meta is saying giga queen was the chariot
>>4127309Why did Kris try to rip up the shelter code under Flowery's pot?
>>4127341To further prevent Susie from getting into the shelter before the time is right. The plan was to leave her with two out of three so she could go on a retarded wild goose chase for a code that no longer exists.
>>4127336my headcanon is that the chariot prophecy is yet to happen and it would be queen's car slamming into a titan during the roaring
>>4127342>Risking being found out by Susie just to rip up a shelter code that doesn't even matterI don't think your explanation is going to cut it, honestly.
>>4127336as the first guy said, it was then repackaged into gigaqueen as the chariot.the whole point of the prophecy panels re-appearing when broken in CH4 was to establish that no matter what happens, the prophecy will always find another way to manifest.ice magic is the exception, indulging in the forbidden path is the only way to stop the chariot from even moving in the first place.
>>4127344kris was retarded (and desperate) enough to open a dark fountain right in front of susie, twice
>>4127344Susie already knows Kris is suspect, she's just in denial and will continue to be in denial until Knight basically forces Kris to reveal himself a traitor.
>>4127345>spoilerIf that were the case, reality would have sperged and forced you back onto the normal route, like how it does when you try and drown Kris in Chapter 5, since if Kris dies, there's no longer a cage with soul and human parts to fulfill the prophecy.Queen's Chariot simply remained defined as her car, because Toby never causes the traffic jam that stops the car on Weird Route.
>>4127339Actually, is the angel doll the Spamton parallel?>Is guaranteed to be a major darkner since they appear in both the Holiday manor AND the hospital.>The Holiday manor version of it has a mandatory cutscene emphasizing its existence (which applies to only 4 objects in the game. Those being Tenna, Gerson's hammer, December's guitar and the aformentioned angel doll.)>If chapter 6's dark world is in the holiday manor it's circumstances in the aborted WR would be objectively different.>Would have a reason to be interested in Kris's [HeartShapedObject] just like Spamton, having been briefly possessed by the Soul.>Would have a connection to the Strange Someone (Spamton's benefactor) from the garbage noise playing in the basement (guess who also listened to the garbage noise???)>Is literally an angel that is specified by Noelle to not possess wings, which lines up with Spamton's desire to reach [H E A V E N] and also lines up with Spamton NEO's WR Noelle parallels.>The angel doll parallels the vessel, which the NEO body is also a parallel of.>Running off the theory (that i made) that involves the vessel being in Carol's basement, it could easily end up as the angel doll's equivalent of the NEO body.>If the "twisted route" exists, and the post chapter 5 aborted WR directly alters the angel doll's circumstances its entirely possible they could assist you in the "twisted route" somehow, paralleling Spamton aiding you in the WR.They also don't necessarily have to be exact parallels (chapter 5's parallels to chapter 1 weren't exact and some were even direct subversions.) so the angel doll doesn't necessarily have to be ranting about becoming a BIG SHOT or whatever. But i think it still lines up well.
>>4127349Also on the topic of Giga Queen i would like to remind you, again that ERAM is connected to Giga Queen and chapter 2 ends with you fighting Giga Queen possessing the Thrash Machine (vessel parallel). ERAM final boss with you controlling the vessel. Yeah. Kino.
>>4127350Also relating to Queen's connections to ERAM, i'd like to bring up this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxqwOYAOUggI think its wrong on its overall conclusion but it brings up something interesting. The video's thesis is that DualHeal is a soul-specific spell that is only intended for Titans and similar enemies, aswell as the song GALLERY. And the reason it appears during King and Queen's fight (and no other bosses besides the Titans) is because the DEVICE mistakes King and Queen for a much more powerful King and Queen connected to the Titans. He also brings up Jevil's line about Queen (hey did you know Jevil has the most ERAM connections out of any secret boss?) to argue for there being a much stronger queen.BUT I don't think theres a queen Titan or whatever. There's no implication of that. It's kind of stupid. etc. But you know who DOES have connections to Queen that i just brought up, who's existence IMPLIED and is extremely important? ERAM.Yeah ERAM is a Queen. They're like. Ralsei's mother or something and that's why they carry so similarities despite being total opposites personality wise. They're like related. That's my theory. As for the king they're like uhhh..... i don't know??? Gaster???
>>4127352>2016 deltarune is the actual real deltarune and 2023 deltarune is a shitty bootleg version of it canonically absolute kusoge
>>41273532016 Deltarune in of itself is a bootleg that was influenced by Undertale's development, 2012 Deltarune is TRVE DELTARVNE because Undertale didn't exist yet.
It's funny how two-knights theory is plausible but entirely pointless. It doesn't solve any mystery that can't be answered with just one knight.
>>4127355i 'member the theory where the two knights were rudy and asgore, rudy would be the aura farmer and asgore would be the one to do all the heavy lifting now asgore lifted himself into the sjelter and rudy's out with a broken ass
>>4127356I pushed that theory. In that case Rudy was the knight and Asgore was an accomplice using his light-world strength. There were no two knights.
>>4127355At this point it doesn't fucking matter who Knight is, everyone has dogshit motivations unless we find out all of Hometown minus Sans, Susie and Alphys are actually in on this shit and it's going into full-on death cult mode.
>>4127341Spite
>>4127359dogshit motivations are better than no motivations, which is to say everyone who isn't ralsei or susie seem to be operating on>but muh desspure speculation>death cultthe prophecy actively states that the worlds can be saved if X happens, it's not a death cult
>>4127342So why bother with chapter 4 or 5 then
>>4127184If nothing else, I'd like to believe the story would function more like a naturally occurring story rather than an ongoing narrative reaction to fans.
>>4127362But Knight is explicitly pushing for the Fountains Freed route by continually opening fountains. This isn't a "prevent calamity" squad, they WANT The Roaring to happen. And I don't see anyone being defined as the Angel, so there's literally nothing to gain but causing the apocalypse and some rando getting their desire fulfilled before being banished, which probably won't even help anyone.
>>4127359>the only reason noelle is into susie is because she knows about the final prophecy and is happy that they finally have a candidate for THE GIRL that nobody really cares about, so she can be sacrificed with no guilt on anyone's part.i mean thats obviously not where the story's going, but jesus fuck what a reveal that'd be.
>>4127195>Then i dont give a shit.You have no idea how much I wish that was true.
>>4127362>no motivationsAgain, every onscreen character besides the knight has had their motivations established retard.
>>4127369what's kris' motivationwhat's noelle's motivationwhat's carol's motivationwhat's the forgotten man's motivationwhat's sans' motivationlife pro tip: we have no idea because the game hasn't actually given us anything, any reason people state is pure headcanon
>>4127217Ch5 WR is unironically better as it is instead of having to play through the flower world again
>>4127342Did I mention how much I despise death note and wanted to see Light Yagami get shot in the head the moment he pulled that stunt with Raye ?
Susie is so invasive that the game doesn't even let you use that name for your vessel.
>>4127372No battles tho lol
>>4127244>You have to give him attentionNo I don't.
>>4127371>established>explicitly stated by herself multiple times>established>offscreen character whos motivations are inherently unknowable>connected to gaster and thus inherently can't be established until gaster appearspro tip: read the fucking dialogue retard. im not spoonfeeding the game because you cant do basic character analysis.
>>4127247Filler episodes.
>>4127371>any reason people state is pure headcanonit's speculation, headcanon can be made up with 0 semblance to anything you'd think would be in the story outside of what exists in your head. outside of that i completely agree, i just don't see why we can't have any fun with it either.
>>4127378i've noticed you just said they were without actually saying what they areplease tell me, what are their motivations? no headcanon, use in game text only
>>4127371>KrisWe don't have the full picture, but he's very obviously wracked with guilt about THAT DAY and has convinced himself he's singlehandedly responsible for causing it. He knows he has to do something very controversial as it pertains to the "only one way" to save both worlds, and while he doesn't mind if everyone hates him for it, including Susie, he DOESN'T want Noelle to learn about it, because her hating him is the worst possible outcome that she's the only person in his "broken dreams" visions through the Shadow Crystals that still treats him kindly.>NoelleFind Dess, reconnect with Kris, and break the monotony of her miserable life.>CarolControl Hometown and her remaining family with an iron grip because she's scared to shit of things she cannot control, ever since THAT HORRIBLE DAY caused Dess to fuck off.>Forgotten ManTo provide evidence for something that's presumably huge for the lore and can't be learned otherwise.>SansFrom what we know so far, his motivation is to troll the player. We aren't even sure if he's tied to Gaster or not, but he's definitely been fucking with us all game, so that much is for sure.
>>4127380>character development is filler>worldbuilding is filler>themes are filler>the weird route is filler>gameplay is filler>plot is fillerWhat is even the definition of "not filler" to you?
>>4127385Battling and gaining experience from winning said battles
>>4127386Chara...
>>4127382>tell me what they are>no i don't want you to tell me, you need to give proof>no onscreen dialogue that directly establishes their motivations don't count because, uh... they're not specific enough.>no you can't get more specific through subtext, you have to use dialogue>no you can't use context from multiple lines of dialogue to prove your claim>no i wont disprove it, just the idea it could be disproven means it is disproven and you can't use it>has there ever been a moment where the character walked on screen, told kris "HERE ARE MY MOTIVATIONS" and then explained their motivations to kris in full detail with no room for interpretation? no? then you can't prove it
>>4127391So Carol is Knight and Asgore is Chapter 5's boss?
>>4127392Are you posting from some favela in brazil or something? This is not how the english language works.
>>4127394The subtext tells me Carol is Knight.The subtext tells me Asgore is Chapter 5's boss.Yet, everyone is convinced Carol is NOT Knight despite what the subtext says, and Chapter 5's boss was Flowery.
>>4127270Toby killing CoL's family was a geno route reference
>>4127375Nobody itt cares about gameplay
>>4127395>Fall for red herring that exists to be subverted by the narrative>Fall for red herring that exists to be subverted by the narrative againThe issue here is that you keep reading the most surface level interpretation possible. This is your fault because you're a retarded brazilian, and you can only blame yourself.
>>4127373>toby ripped off successful anime manga yet againMust nothing of his be original??I heard masons are just big copy paste machines trying to make every religion and symbolism into one, must be related
>>41273851, 2, and WR 5 are the only times characters meaningfully developed beyond lip service towards the idea of development without amounting to anything.
>>4127402The lesbian cuck scene was his
>>4127401>brazilianThis is brazil's sleeping hours, must be a polack or a kangaroo
>>4127407Not with the doki doki shit no it wasn't
>>4127401So if the story is employing red herrings, then you can't rely on dialogue or subtext to give you a real idea about character motives or what the story will do next, and you won't know what's a red herring and what's not until the game is over.Therefore, it's impossible to actually rely on provided context. Thanks for agreeing with me that it's impossible to actually know character motivations.
>>4127412You know red herrings serve a purpose right. You need an actual reason for something to be a red herring.
>>4127413Yes, they serve to fuck with viewer expectations and subvert something that was being built up to within the narrative.And when you employ a red herring once, you can employ them an infinite amount of times.All the Carol setup is to subvert the idea that she could be Knight.All the Flower Man setup was to subvert the idea that Asgore is the Chapter 5 boss.Every single other setup can be revealed a red herring and be subverted too, especially when the readings are "obvious".I wholly expect Knight to be the real hero of the story for example, because it'd be the ultiamte subversion if the so-called villain, titled after the apocalypse, was actually the unsung protagonist of the situation, and it's revealed the Fun Gang are the actual villains. Because it's "obvious" that the Fun Gang are the heroes, and that Knight is the villain.
>>4127413You can't go "oh, everything is just a red herring!" as thats a complete non sequitur. Especially since you don't understand the purpose of red herrings or in what context they are used.You continue to prove that you understand literally nothing regarding this game, and all of your posts are just lashing out at this fact.
>>4127332>ignoring the homestuck act 6 level writing of chapter 5
>>4127416And why would the game set up a misleading view of Carol and Asgore for the player? Because Toby Fox is evil and he hates you?
>>4127419To keep the story cryptic and unknowable until Chapter 7, because he realized that if people figure out the story prior, that means they'll be sitting on the knowledge of how the game will end for an extended period of time before they can actually experience it, which risks dampening the experience because it won't live up to the fantastical version of events in their head that they've been stewing on for years.If no one knows what'll happen period, then that means that feeling of disappointment is less likely, unless you're a bitter cunt who decides to go full doomer.
>>4127418Toby is not Hussie no matter how much you wish he was.
>>4126970>An herbOpinion discarded.
>>4127423>IT'S BECAUSE TOBY FOX IS EVIL AND HE HATES ME GRAGGHGHGHGHGHGHNo, its in relation to their CHARACTERIZATION. Why do you think Carol and Asgore would have built up an intimidating image that would end up subverted by the narrative? Could we perhaps use this to gain a greater understanding of the characters?
>>4127424I don't read your theories uwu I just know that SOME OF YOU are wrong (don't come to chapter 6 tomorrow) also remember when SURVEY_PROGRAM fags liked Hat Ralsei? lul what a bunch of retards they were I'm glad theres no chuds left playing MY game
>>4127425>>4126970It means le weed 420 lmao couldnt you tell?
>>4127426So you agree Knight will be subverted and will be revealed to be an unsung hero, and that the Fun Gang will be revealed to be the true villains, because playing up traits means they exist to be red herrings that will be subverted.Thanks for proving my point.
>>4127429Come on dude, i'm literally explaining it to you like a kindergarten teacher and you still don't get it.
Imagine being Susie>being lied to about a fake prophecy where she is the bad guy>none of these guys are your friends>all of the game is just for making an "escapism bad" point
>>4127431You said Carol's antagonism and Asgore's prophetic buildup exit to be subversive red herrings.This means that other traits of similar significant nature will also be subversive red herrings. Because when you use the red herring once, you can use it an infinite amount of times, as often as you'd like.
Asgore and Carol will do nothing because this is anime world and none of the adults should be assumed to be responsible
>>4127434No, you still don't get it.For starters, Carol not being the knight doesn't mean she isn't an antagonistic force, that's not how that works.... but lets focus on Asgore.You may have not noticed, but Asgore not murdering his child is fully in line with his character and his actions. Thus when the red herring of Asgore being the Flower Man is subverted, it is not contradictory and its subversion serves the story positively.A red herring must actually have a reason to exist, and cannot be contradictory to the overall narrative. Your suggestion that all plot elements are red herrings is obviously contradictory and it comes from a position of bad faith.
>>4127435Gerson has been more of a parent than anyone else so far
>>4127367That would be so kino I would forgive Toby for raping me
>>4127438This of course comes from you not understanding the concept of red herrings, nor subversions and you thinking they exist for the sole purpose of antagonizing the reader.
>>4127438>its subversion serves the story positivelyToby dicksuckers aren't sending their best
>>4127439He's a figment of some teen's imagination meaning it's still a teen larping as him
>>4127438We don't know Knight's motivations. We assume they're antagonistic because they're THE ROARING KNIGHT, named after the apocalypse, and are kidnapping people for unknown reasons.This sets up the idea that Knight is this big bad villain. But because we don't know their motivations AT ALL, this means any assumptions of them being a villain are a potential red herring, as we only exist in speculative assumption established by the characters and even the prophecy itself, just like how Asgore's role was set up by the prophecy and then subverted.
>>4127442>B-BUT.... MY HYPE MOMENTS AND AURA!?! WHY ISN'T ASGORE MURDERING HIS CHILD?!?!?!
>>4127443>Gerson is trans SusieSusie haters going full circle
>>41274455 is the only chapter so far without any hype aura whatsoever.
>>4127444>We only know that the roaring knight is an evil antagonist because they are evil and antagonistic. >But they could also not be evil and antagonistic, because the idea that they could not be evil and antagonistic means they aren't evil and antagonistic.Wow... So this is the literary genius of 4Channel in action...
>>4127444Exactly Knight is Noah kidnapping people he cares about so they get protected from the Roaring i.e. the Flood
>>4127446Retard. Replay that chapter please.
>>4127447But with our powers combined... omega flowery... why are we here again?
>>4127450I won't.
>>4127448Because the idea is purely based on vibes and assumptions. No one knows Knight's motives except itself (and it's not telling you), Kris (and he's not telling you), and Gaster (and he's not telling you).It's entirely plausible to think, with how blatantly it's pushing this concept of Knight being a villain, that the truth is that it ISN'T a villain. Just like how the story is blatantly telegraphing "hey, look at all this stuff that implies Carol is Knight!" or how it set up the idea of "hey, look, hints that can be taken as 'Asgore is the boss of Chapter 5'!" only to subvert them.
You can't prove that Kris isn't geno Frisk
>>4127453>I don't understand anything which means its impossible to understand anything and Toby Fox HATES MENo it means you're a retard and you should shut the fuck up forever holy shit you do this faggoty routine every single thread nobody cares.
>>4127455Show me proof with absolutely certainty that Knight is a no-bullshit villain, that can't be misconstrued as a red herring, that can't POSSIBLY be subverted in a future chapter. Go on. I'll wait.
>>4127349>>4127350>>4127352>no replies or engagement with the topic at allI guess i really am the only theoryposter in this thread. I didn't even get smug dismissals of the idea...
>>4127452But the fun dark sections...
>>4127457Every time someone spoonfeeds your retard ass you proceed to ignore it and go on to making the exact same posts. You also act in maximally bad faith at all times, and you are totally unable to comprehend basic concepts without people explaining it to you slowly like you're a special-ed student.
>>4127461So you can't prove it? Thanks for supporting my belief that Knight being a villain is a red herring propagated by characters who know nothing and a prophecy that openly lies to the player, and that it'll be revealed in Chapter 7 that The Roaring Knight is actually the true hero of Deltarune.
>>4127461Basic concepts such as if it looks evil then it's evil?
>>4127463Deltarune is deeper than that. It's not your typical "plumber jump on bowser!" story.
>>4127463No like... i've have to explain>the concept of subtext>the concept of implications>the concept of subversion in writing>the concept of a red herring>multiple basic plot elements in deltarune, that can be easily inferred>how these things relate to deltarune>despite all of these being completely obviousto him, across multiple threads. (or people who post identically to this one anon.) It's a lost cause. You can't do it.
>>4127466Still can't refute my beliefs. Thank you for your continued support.
>>4127466Yes anon I'm sure you are the smartest and the rest of the thread is retarded. It's a shame we can't give you upvotes.
>>4127469Well can you prove the Knight isn't evil, running off your own logic that nothing is provable because reasons?
>>4127471Can you prove it is? You are Mikefag level of delusional
>>4127474If you're the one who made the claim, you have to prove it. That's how these things work.
Toby RAPED all the anons again. He's spending more time RAPING us than he is making his own damn game, which adds to the RAPE even more.
