Since /twg/ is mostly about Warhammer now, let's have this again. Talk about historical Total War games and their mods (fantasy mods are also welcome). previous thread >>1991167
>>2324264https://www.youtube.com/shorts/InYsZtD5jLoFor all these years, I didn't know you could do this.
>Check out EB2 since its one of the most popular mods>Earraping didgeridoo "music">No combat advisor either so you hear nothing but the didgeridoos>Sieges are an absolute slog with units hacking forever at each other without anyone dying>Everything takes forever to build>Enemy turns take a long timeI can't believe anyone pretends that this is more fun than vanilla RTW.
>>2324299I recently tried it as well and I liked it overall. I really like historical accuracy visually, not meme shit like bronze age Egypt of vanilla games. But I don't always care about extra mechanics these autistic mods introduce. It's not like all those mechanics make it all that more accurate anyway. But visual accuracy is important to me.That said, I am thinking about trying out DEI for Rome 2 now.>didgeridooIt's not that. It's Carnyx.
>>2324264I play a lot of Rome 2 DEI. Recently played an Imperator Augustus campaign that I got bored of after I defeated Antony, giving it a break for now before I play Empire Divided.
>>2324299it's a slog to play, the mod is popular because of the units
>>2324547Yeah, i want to play DEI too. I have more ideas on what to play than time for it.
will med 3 have actually good mod support?
>>2324945Yes. They explicitly said the new engine has added oldschool style mod support. Meaning that we can be cautiously optimistic that no matter how much they want to lowball the release product in order to milk DLC it will be fine because we can just get mods to do it better.The question is whether the 3rd worlders who typically make mods will actually get to work on it. They still haven't maximised Rome: Remastered's potential all these years later.
>>2324299yeah, I used to play EB 1 but seriously prefer vanilla plus mods
>>2324953rtwr dont work on win7, why bother
>>2324931Rome 2 is a pretty good classical history simulator. there is something for everyone. The vanilla game already has quite a few campaigns while DEI adds new ones like Alexander, the Makedonian Wars, and Sulla. 600 years of history and yes I played most of them in succession, I only skipped the Peloponnesian War and the Makedonian War because I don't have the Wrath of Sparta DLC. I have 500 hours in Rome 2 DEI and only have Empire Divided left to do then I can consider Rome 2 finished and uninstall it forever.>now we are free
>>2324264Rome 2 killed historical total war
Historicals have been expelled out of 109 generals so far... when the persecution end!?
>>2324953>The question is whether the 3rd worlders who typically make mods will actually get to work on it. They still haven't maximised Rome: Remastered's potential all these years later.thats a big issue with newer games. to make a mod, you basically have to treat it like a full time job and already have the skills of a full blown professional 3D artist, scripter etc. whereas before, you could more easily make simpler textures and shit with lower-end hardware but now, that is not true anymore and so only those with the skills and beefy computers can mod properly mod.
>>2325026It isn’t 2010 retard, nobody cares about win7
>>2325406Doesn’t seem to be an issue for all the good looking skyrim mods. I think Total War is just cursed with a thirdie fanbase.
>>2325406Counter-Strike was made by two dudes in a dorm room.
>>2325441splitting user base is never smart movefucking wh3 work on win7, if rtwr worked on win7 I would transfer my mods to it, it don't so I don't botheris it simple enough for you to understand you illiterate mongrel?
>>2324299A big reason anybody played EB2 is because people started running into performance issues with modern hardware in RTW1. It's not really an issue anymore thanks to the dxvk method on the pcgamingwiki page for the game.
I need to resume my WF&S2 Austria campaign from 2024 but the Janissaryspam is a real slog
>>2324264How do folks here defend CA's decision to make Nottingham the 3rd city of England?According to estimates, Nottingham's population in 1086 was between 0.8 and 2K people, making it the 26th largest city in England.Realistically, they should have probably picked Winchester or Norwich as the third city, but if they really needed a city between York and London, they should have picked Lincoln, which was the 5th largest city and right next to Nottingham.The real reason why they picked Nottingham was "muh, normies know about Robinhood", which is fucking retarded reasoning.
>>2326128This is the same studio who made a 1000 year out of date Egypt in Rome 1 and the entire of France a single province in Empire. Although Empire was the first TW game that tried to have some semblance of historical accuracy.
>>2324264>Since /twg/ is mostly about Warhammer now>nowBeen that way for years, doesn't help that we haven't got a good historical title in a long time.
>>2326137>the entire of France a single province in Empire.Funnily, I read some old Steam threads last week where people actually defended that design choice, because:>muh, it represents Sun King's centralizationRegardless, it's lame because imagine you are playing as Spain, and you want to kick France out of the Med. To do so, your only choice is to conquer all of France, even if you really don't care for northern France.The Napoleonic map is a bit better, but I still don't like the main France region being so big.
>>2326128You answered your own question. Remember that at the time historical games were fighting for any mainstream visibility. Med2 also has fucking ‘Russia’ as a faction. The rise of the internet in the mainstream has unironically done a lot for history knowledge, and you can have a game like Kingdom Come Deliverance be a big hit now whereas back in the day it was hammy aoe2 braveheart references.
>>2326128Yes, it's because they wanted to have Sherwood Archer units and call back to Robin Hood. They weren't trying to make games that were full-on historical autism simulators, they were trying to make games that were fun. And it worked, because it is fun to use things like Sherwood archers in Med 2 and Amazonian women and Roman ninjas etc in Rome 1. Extensive moddability meant autismos like yourself could play the many different historical mods out there to get their fix, it was win/win.
>>2326150>They weren't trying to make games that were full-on historical autism simulators, they were trying to make games that were fun
>>2326149>Med2 also has fucking ‘Russia’ as a factionThey called Kievan Rus', Russia, this bad?
>>2326158Yes, it's very bad.Can't have this realm whose name means the land of the Russians be confused with the modern state whose name also means the land of the Russians, because of a border conflict in Eastern Europe.
>>2326153That's absolutely true, and it's been known since Rome 1 when CA themselves explained why the Egyptian faction was designed the way it was instead of being yet another Hellenic faction.
>>2326158The 'Russia' faction not the Kievan Rus'. It'shttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_RepublicYou start with Novgorod as the capital while Kiev starts as a Rebel city.
>>2326169Well, that's dumb.
>>2326158>>2326169>Kievan RusMost credible publications now use Kyivan, "kievan" is outdated and not recognized in serious historical discussions anymore.
>>2326169They were pretty loose on factions, especially with regards to attempts to game balance and province density
>>2326267Wykipedia had a heated debate over changing it to Kyivan Rus but the s*ycucks lost, and it stayed Kievan Rus
>>2326273I still use Anno Domini and not "current ear" despite what wikipedia says. Wikipedia's policies have literally nothing to do with historical discussion.
>>2326267>Most credible publications now use KyivanNo one had ever heard of Kyiv until four years ago
>>2326282Same with Iran until the 1930s but today there are few people who make a fuss about how we should still call it Persia despite Iran being what it was known as by the locals. And the Istanbul/Constantinople thing, Czechia, Myanmar etc.
>>2326358>Istanbul/ConstantinopleThis is completely different, it was always the Turkish spelling of Constantinople until the nationalists renamed it to a different name.>CzechiaThe english language word for the country wasn't a country name for some reason but the full formal name always was weird. Czechen would sound too close to chicken in english, and I geuss they could've went with Czechland but Czechia is fine in english and sounds similar to the native name.>Persia/Iran Burma/MyanmarLot of people do the latter actually but these are valid to Kiev/Kyiv unlike the rest which are gross misunderstandings or simplifications. Ultimately this only matters because English became so dominant and normally no one cares about these historical oddities in national names such as UK is still being called England in (common) German.
>>2326367>Czechia is fine in english and sounds similar to the native name.Čekia (Czechia) doesn't really sound all that similar to Česko (Chessko).Ironically the name is actually spelled in a proper English way in Chekhov of Chekhov's Gun fame. That guy's surname is literally "a Czech".I'm personally in favor of Kyivan Rus'. Not because of any politics but to highlight the invented nature of the name. Kinda like how the old convention of Japanese era names: >Straw-rope Pattern Pottery Period>Yayoi-style Pottery Period>Tumulus Period>Asuka PeriodCompared to the modern one which hides it behind Japanese ability (they still say the same thing, but a random Anglophone amateur has no idea):>Jomon Period>Yayoi Period>Kofun Period>Asuka Period
>>2326413>>Asuka PeriodReifags BTFO
>>2326419You're living in the Reiwa period right now.
>>2326427For me, it’s The Year Of Our Lord
>>2326429Actually it is CE (Christian Era).
>CE is still the Christian calendar and years are counted from the birth of Jesus they just changed the nameswhere did academia go so wrong?
>>2326444Jesus wasn't actually born on year 1 so it doesn't really matter
>>2326444>they just changed the nameAmerifat Wokeness.
>>2326267I support ukraine against jewtin or whatever but I’m not changing the common name of Kiev over this shit, fuck off.
>>2326444Yeah this is lame. Just change the calendar as a whole. Liberalism is just christianity underneath and dishonesty above.
>>2326492France tried that during the Revolution. It did not go over so well
Rome II emperor edition is so good. If naval wasn't so buggy and had larger maps it would also have been great. People dog on Rome II because they are trannies. It's that simple. Shogun 2 + Rome II carrying the entire series.
>>2326495The calendar change was the least problematic part of the french revolution
>>2326153that is true thot. started series with Shogun 1
>>2326551>tfw people aren't Rome 2 respecters
>>2326551By biggest problem with Rome 2 is the siege pathfinding. Most of the time I just deal with it but often units become stuck on corners of buildings or just become completely unresponsive. Trying to get units down off walls if there are even just a few routing enemies on them takes forever because the entire 200 man unit stops whatever they're doing if they encounter just one enemy soldier. Other than that I love the game with DEI. I haven't actually played vanilla Rome 2 since the original disaster launch.
>>2326551>People dog on Rome II becausethe combat is shite, the campaign map province system is rubbish, limited building slots per city is daft, armies being tied to generals is abhorrent
>>2326833you can't just tell the truth to his face like that dude
>>2324264Somebody explain why CA was so cheap about the number of regions in the Empire?Was it a technical limitation?
>>2326554I disagree. For all the beheadings, decimalizing the calendar was objectively one of the worst decisions in the history of mankind.
>>2326128It was a different time...
I, for once, miss the time when there was actually a devoted community of men with interest in historical accuracy.
shogun 2 is so ebin, yari mazing hahaha!!!!
>>2326271To be fair, a lot of them are name related (And the rebel province are ARGUABLY a attempt to replicate feudalism). Biggest issue I have with the game overall is the lack of Persia, frankly At least unlike Medieval 1 it didn't have a unified kingdom of North Italy.
>>2324299it's for people with severe autism. Shame there's not many good middle ground mods for people with only mild autism.
>>2328009It barely existed in the first place.You're remembering the very few occasions when people would bitch that the sandals were inaccurate, but you forget that the rest of the time was nothing but Greek nationalists whining there weren't enough playable Hellenistic factions (zero of which actually mattered in the long run).
>>2328290>Game set in the Hellenistic age>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE HELLENISTIC FACTIONS IN YOUR HELLENISTIC GAME
>>2328285I don't care as much about gameplay autism, because it's all abstracted and game engine itself won't allow you for the game to be very accurate to real life, but I do want visual accuracy, right weapons and armor, clothes, buildings, basically historical aesthetics. Because we can have eye candy that way, at least.
>>2326128>t. resident of Derby
>>2328290Fuck I spent so much time on that forum
>>2328290>there weren't enough playable Hellenistic factions (zero of which actually mattered in the long run)They matter because without a bunch of greeklings, who's gonna serve as your punching bag?
>>2328290God, the seethe over Pontus being revealed before the sillykids was fucking delicious. Sometimes I'll just sit there and think about all those hellenaboo underatanderers of strategy raging about "western movie barbarian britons" and screeching about how they don't want to play fucking Pontus, the loss of the silver super elite hoplite elephants (seleukids ONLY), and when I do think about it all I'll not need to eat the whole day for it. It was so goddamn hilarious that it almost made up for Rome 2 being such dogshit.
