camel archer edition Prev >>2385082
I will miss Hera. There, I said it
is Hera washed?
Jurchens need feudal fire lancers.
>>2404003But y doe?
>>2404003the Jin Dynasty is pretty cool but it's hard to take them seriously when you remember how hard they got cucked by Temujin and his Mongols
>>2404003scout rushes aren't very common currently, rather pointless.
most underrated civ?
https://poal.me/3supoCiv and spleet ideas
>>2404033I think gurjarahs are pretty underated, really good tech tree and both their unique techs are very strong. Next most underrated is Burmese, arambai are kind of busted, strong eco, lots of good options for other units and top tier trash units.
>>2404011Bad castle age transition for most units. Better off playing Tatars.
GET THE FUCK IN HERE
>>2404182>Sitaux cocast with MembGuess I'll watch Dave. Hate the French.
>>2404033tatars
>>2404344That civ is fucking dogshit kys
>>2404033Burmese
>>2404350EXPLAIN
>>2404344>>2404344Very correct, also Scicilians.
At least Hera will win the warcraft tournament
>"Sicilians">*looks inside*>it's Normans
>>2404598Are you perhaps suggesting a SPLEET?
>>2404598i have bad news about sicily
i wish they'd buff handcannoneers.
>>2404603>characters at the top aren't replaced by Indian and Chinese UUsalmost
>>2404350lol idiot
>>2404592I feel like they should be more popular. Extremely full tech tree, donjons to rush or defend and cavalier can just ignore halb/camel to a degree. I guess it's just their lack of eco bonus holding them back, like many strong civs.
>>2404715Hindustan's strongest soldier posted it again!
>>2404748
Chronicles: Punic Wars when?
>>2404835
>>2404033unironically chinese, the start isn't even really hard and its genuinely OP. Not a ton of players pick it when its waaay stronger than civs like mongols.
>>2404841soon bros....
Wow Gurjaras are actually strong. Sadly I can't play them because I speak Gujarati and the dialogue freaks me out.
hello /aoeg/, I'm happy to announce that I have been invited to heras aoe2 tournament and I will represent you guys
Make us proud and don't mess this up
You fucking suck shit I can tell.
>>2405263pick goths or gtfo
>>2405263Hope this is truth
>>2404777nah, im a fan of bohemians>>2405263make handcannoneers
>>2405263big if true. try to get a game where you go fast hand cannons with bohemians and then complain that it's to weak and needs to be buffed when you inevitably lose.
Anyone wanna play team games? No indians please
Kek. never change larry.
>>2405954ugh mudhuts
>>2405954based as always
PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKhmer is such a good civ for a land nomad style of map
AoE 2 invitational next, no meme players like MaryMaybe and Dantes
>>2406377I want artosis but he has said before that aoe2 is a boring game. maybe he can get day9 since he was in that 1v7 he did last month.
>>2406399>SC fag Meh.
>>2406399He mentioned talking to Day9 and many others like SingSing, from the list of people he talked to it sounds like it is likely to be a 16 player lineup and Hera would like to invite some of the players from the warcraft tourney too
>>2406405>Tyler1 playing AoE2That should go well.
>>2405778I'm still looking
Grubby is going to be playing seriously in a tournament for the first time in 20 years for this aoe2 invitational. I like the guy but part of me wants him to lose because I know he's a salty rager tryhard deep inside. Day9 and singsing will be cool to see too
>>2406332the jeet&flush is evolving into an even earlier jeet&'jon... tremble team game enjoyers
>>2406575isn't grubby like 1700, he's gonna absolutely wipe the floor with the whole tournamentday9 for example is like 1100 max
>>2406636Yep, he went 1700 with hindustanis like a month ago so hera should realize he'll have to invite some sweats to not have it be a stomp
>>2406636I feel like a lot of the players are going to be good, micro is the trickiest thing to perfect, strategy and decision making can be taught. If Daut can be a pro then Day9 can get to 1500.>>2406648I feel like Grubby might be a little hardstuck, he has a headstart but give other players a month to grind and they will catch up, one of the first things Hera taught Grubby was crossbow timing which can destroy a lot of sub 1500 players. The skill required to jump from 1000 to 1500 is less than the skill required to jump from 1500 to 1600
I havent played ranked AOE2 in 10 months...maybe my fire just went out and dont have to will to face a human enemy anymore...
>>2407311I don't think the fear of playing ranked ever really goes away, like each time I get close to my elo high I get scared of playing. Team games tend to be less scary though.
Any anon have a spare key for AoE2 definitive edition?
>>2408134its on sale on fanatical right now for less than $10
>>2408164Seems like a great deal, but I can't afford it rn. :[
>>2407038day9 doesn't try and never will. singsing will try and has played aoe2 before, if the tourney is in like a month+ he could catch up
Can you creamapi all the DLCs? Do they work online?
>>2408171>Can't afford 10 bucks>has time to play video gamesGo get a job.
>>2408380But I'll lose my disability bux... I give half of it to my mom for rent and bills and the other half is for my tendies, cigarettes, beer and games.
>>2408738drink 10 less beers and problem solved, you can thank me later
What Warcraft 3 does to a player.Well played by Lewis tho, he's going to win some tournaments in the future.
So the young lad is the goat now? 16 S-tiers in a row is crazy
It's going to be weird seeing Lierreyy win for once
Hera needs to join his own tournament and then he can win
>>2408939Maybe if he rigs it somehow, Grubby is a beast
Hera is washed, Warcraft confirmed for causing more brain damage than blackforest.
>>2408966>Hera starts being friends with a literal mouthbreather>Instantly becomes bad at game he trained for his whole lifeMakes one wonder
>>2408966Yeah it's over, he will never win again.
wtf suddenly I'm interested in a tourney again
>>2408738>cigarettes, beerWhat a waste of money.
>>2409012>wanting to listen to memb>ever
>>2409115just watch Ornlu then
>>2409115I'm only listening to memb because there might be a chance to listen to dave if he cocast a set or two.
>>2409157Dave was solo streaming and now he went to T90's wedding thing so no more Dave for the rest of the event
>>2409115today T-West + Ornlu co-cast for Hera's defeat was peak commentaryOrnlu talks much less retarded shit when T-West is around
>>2409169Maybe i'll check it out, T-west is like a rice cake, not bad when paired with literally anything, but boring on its own.
Celts should lose husbandry but gain bloodlines.
>>2409158I was trying to find this fuckers stream yesterday, thinking how could he miss the hera vs goat series, so that explains it
It will be Lirey winning, right? I mean Viper Sebastian, Tatoh are there but I don't see it. And Lewis lost 1-3 to him this tourney already
>>2409222I would hope so.
>>2409305snek unwashed. He will take it
>>2409204for what purpose?
>>2409350Viper is on vacation, hes currently away from home, so hes playing the tournament on a laptop at a hotel
The question is if Sebastian can beat Lierrey
>>2409761does a single person care though?
>>2409371celt paladin would be more interesting if it was tankier rather than faster, and slower knights would match up better with faster halbs, so that they make a better composition together. the knights are slow sure, but the halbs are fast enough that the knights can fall back to them while the whole group can choose its engagements against most infantry and archers comps. right now, the only real benefit of husbandry is in hussar raids in late game.
>>2409538Jeetmaster has done more with less, Viper can manage.
>>2409848Why you keep bringing him up in completely unrelated conversations
>>2409763Now that Hera is no longer going to be the champion, one of these two will take his place.At least 5 people care.
Anyone else notice how these threads are flooded by zoomerbabble posts whenever aoe2 tournaments take place? Surely I cant be the only one.
>>2410073Nah Viper or Daut will whip these kids.
>>2409966he is obsessed with his penis, very very gay of him.
>>2403915i wish these niggas were whitecan anyone make a mod for that? just make them lightskinned?thank you
>>2410165why?
>>2410165>lives in the middle of the desert>why arent they white?
>Why arent you whiiiiiiiiiteRangeban americans
kinda funny to see these ecelebs learning aoe2 and getting better than 1k elo shitters in less than a week of playing
>>2410287They have hera on tap for every question, they get professional coaching, and playing games is their job so they have all the time in the world for it.Retarded comparison.
>>2410340>You need professional coaching and Hera there to answer every question to get above 1k elo
>>2410342If you want to do it in less than 1 week of playing like you originally wrote? Yes.
It took me 5 months to get to 1500 1v1 elo.
>>2410344Small correction becasue I'm unhappy with how I worded it. You don't need it, but it certainly helps a lot.
>>2409966You must not underestimate the jeetmaster
>>2410346Singsing will humble you, just watch. This anime-looking fag will destroy the grubster
>>2409966I don't "keep" doing it, this was the first time I ever mentioned him in my post.
People underestimate the value of having a twitch chat to answer all your questions on demand. It doesn't have to be Hera and it doesn't just apply to AoE2. E-celebs live life on the easiest difficulty.
>>2410388Kill yourself
>>2410560no u!
>>2410198berbers aren't subsaharan, wtf does climate have to do with anything?
>>2410287Its been rough for some of them, I landed around 1200 from placements, some of them are just reaching 1k. Also most 1ks aren't even breathing, you can go seven tcs and win>>2410340First they have to know what to ask Hera, imagine you ask him 20 questions and they are bad questions, now imagine 20 different people asking.>>2410346It took Grubby 1 week to get back to 1500, SingSing will meet him soon.>>241050999% of them are clueless about the game, low elo equals bad advice, no 1k is going to teach you how to get to 1.5k
>>2410509People also overestimate your capability to focus on stuff while still having to pay attention to simps and thank for their money all the time.
New people getting into aoe2 is always great but twitch viewers are bottom of the barrel
Mongols pickers are going to send grubby on the road to 1400
>>2410509Twitch chat is giving bad/incorrect advice half the time
>>2410346Think it took me like 7 months to get to 1200 although I wasn't playing super frequently and another 7 to get to 1700
You guys should be queue sniping these faggy twitch ecelebs and doing troll shit against them, currently they are being coached by pros only to learn how to play meta vs meta. Get on ladder and clap them with meme strats!
what elo can you get to with only the universal rts advice of always make workers and spend all your money?
>>24111191600
>>2410287is there a list of everyone who was invited?
>>2411133https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/1tjxfyg/confirmed_participants_for_heras_streamer/
>>2411119Like with zero knowledge of unit counters or what you should be doing in castle/imperial? Probably 1200.
>>2410934THE HEADLINER
>enjoy AoE1>enjoy AoE2: RoRNow I need an AoE4 expansion that adds AoE1 civs with unique mechanics. There are like 10 of us who would play it.
>>2411737>5 civs, one per architecture set>If they add anything else, it's a variant of those fiveYou rike?
>>2411759That's exactly how it was in AoE1. They didn't even have unique units.>>2411737We need a RoR expansion with Scythians, Celts, Germans and Gauls.We also deserve unique unit upgrades for each civ based on Chronicles graphics such as roman-looking upgrade to swordsmen for rome, sakan axemen upgrade for generic axemen, some lancer upgrade to scouts, cretan slingers for minoans, cool chariot archers for sumerians and so on
Sebastian getting clapped by ACCMVietnamese total AOE2 domination
>>2405954why bengalis
>>2410287>streamers>mostly childless>pro coaching>"lmao they progress faster than wagies, college slaves, and children, how embarrasing for those groups"
AoEIV question but I think it's universal: What do you do when the opponent is running horses around your base and you need your army to constantly run around to stop the economic harassment?
Poor Memb is getting mogged.
>>2411838Reverse sweep incoming
>>2411737basedbut I hope Age5 is set back in the ancient era, I want a proper ancient game not just scraps in a DLC for Age of Variants
>>2411906way to ruin the reverse anonbut im happy for ACCM, he deserves a final in his lifetime
>>2411983Hard to believe it's his first S-tier final with how he's been consistently near the top last few years.
>>2411981>Cimmerian>Literally who?Must suck being remembered more for being a name used in Conan's mythos
YT streams
>>2411903Total brutalization. Oh boy, oh really oh boy
The price of being the kindest Russian in history is the lack of fighting spirit.
>>2412126wp :)
I have never seen a tournament with so much lag and players dropping since DE came outwhat the fuck with wrong with the current patch?
>>2412182>what the fuck with wrong with the current patch?This is what happens when you try to add crossplay.
>>2411903>>2412035I like Memb's energy but I just can't stand his>LOOK AT DE POPIULASHON>AYE AYE AYEEvery time
MONKS AND SKIRMISHERS MONKS AND SKIRMISHERS MONKS AND SKIRMISHERS MONKS AND SKIRMISHERS MONKS AND SKIRMISHERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS IS ALL THIS STUPID GAME IS ABOUT
so hera doesn't practice for a month and gets knocked out. does that prove that he's only on top because he grinds harder than anyone else?
>>2412394Light Cavalry counters both. Mix in some pikemen and you might have something unstoppable, until the enemy adds in something like scorpions or mangonels to counter your infantry and skirms, or the enemy has herasy tech making Monks about half as valuable.
>>2412182Microslop
>>2412398If Lierreyy went fulltime for a while he'd be taking series of him, but he's a coder wagie iirc
>>2412398>does that prove that he's only on top because he grinds harder than anyone else?That was proven years ago already. But yeah, this situation is yet another one to the pile.
>>2412394cuz the devs only listen to pro players who are a bunch of whiny faggots that want everything that isn't the meta nerfed>>2412423shut up, you are 500 elo
The retard doesn't even realize the irony of his post.
>>2412520The game is not balanced around pros. There is a discord server where the pros can give feedback to the devs, and pros constantly complain that their feedback gets ignored.
>>2412703What kinds of feedback got ignored other than pathing and stability? Just curious.
>>2412711I'm not in that server myself so I have no idea. I can only tell you what pros talk about publicly, which is that their feedback gets ignored.Specifially Hera often complains about it.He is unhappy with the water rework and wanted to upload a video about it, but due to his recent loss he decided to postpone it because he thinks the comments/public reception would be cancer and pin it on his loss.Sitaux uploaded a video where he talked about the state of the game and how he doesn't like the direction that it is heading towards a few months ago. Funnily enough, he agrees with /vst/ and hates the three chinkdom dlc. He also mentions the discord server in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXa39EWOI4hera reaction:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St_jwU5TzNw&tIf I had to guess pros are probably asking for fire lancer and tiger cavalry nerfs.
>>2412711past several balance videos I remember viper being angry the devs implemented shit he specifically told them are terrible ideas
>Roman knights and CA
looking very grim for ACCMtoo defensive play
>thread so dead, Hera not even playing a final makes people care about it
>it'sa 5-0
accm is playing like garbage
>>2412820...or not
lmao i left in middle of the 5th game because ACCM was getting destroyed, and now came back and he might get a 3-4
accm has better endurace than larry for sure. Lets see if he can take it home
I was hoping for a Larry choke but accm has to not choke back for it to work and that vil not getting the stone wall up didn't help
>devs: next patch we are going to massive buff Incas, because they currently suck>Ah yes, im going to pick Incas in this decisive tournament gameSorry ACCM, you deserve to lose for being a dumbass
>>2412720Docks shouldn't fire arrows, that is all that needs to be done to fix water
>>2413012accm would have won if he had you as a coach
>>2413012Sure, picking Incas didn't help, but civs don't even matter if your villagers let the enemy army in due to not repairing or building walls.
you people care about tournaments?
>>2413032Now that Hera is retired, yes
>>2413032im actually surprised how little people noticed that Hera got stomped by Lewis, yet again is not because he got better, but Hera stopped caring for an entire month
>>2413032I don't and never have, reminder that most pro players make very little money and have to either work or live in a turd world country where cost of living is very low.
>>2413032No, but what else is there to talk about in this solved game? What exciting new mudhut "civs" we'll get in 6 months?
>>2413032I would watch them if they put actual maps instead of cringe hybrid meme original bullshit maps. Just arabia arena nomad and bf would make tournaments actually intresting for the development of the game. What we have is pros monkeying around in stupid maps they clearly have little time and intention to study deeply just for prize money.
>>2413437Wow your opinion is shit.
>>2413437>Arena>BF>Tournament maps
>>2413482Explain the depths of the warlords maps? They are just snowball maps you see once or twice and never again
>>2413437>they clearly have little timeThat's the fucking point you inbred cretin. So that meta isn't solved completely yet and there are interesting new strats clashing against each other.
>>2413543If you think arabia meta across a series of games is solved you must be pretty average rank
>>2413555On pro level? Of course it is. Also people hated tournaments with just 1-3 standard maps. You would know that if you weren't a newfag. Mix with new maps is more interesting.
>>2413525I like variation :)
I wish Arabia woodlines varied a bit more. Most of the time it's basically a 1 tile wall like it's black forest. Open up the generation god damnit. Sometimes more open, sometimes more closed. Ezpz
>>2413605Arabia players play Arabia because they hate variety, go play other maps retard
>>2413525Watching pros fight early for small advantages to snowball and end the game in castle age is more fun than endless grinds
maps are the weakest part of aoe2 compared to other rts games
>>2413765I'm surprised it took until a DE update to get a pinwheel-style map separated by teams.
>>2413605on Voobly since you could play custom maps, there was at least 5 different Arabia maps to choose, from Green Arabia which had thick tree lines and your starting resources closer to the TC, to dry arabia which was a more consistent version of OG Arabia full of elevations, small wood lines, wolves and your sheep far away.I have heard multiple times from some people that there could be a double arabia pick in the map pool, but i understand why people hate arabia pickers so much
>>2413525I love it when we have some sort of new fucked up map and we get to see the pros figure it out in real time. I also like seeing rarely played maps get played at the competitive level.One of the reasons why I don't play ranked much is because faggots just ban all the interesting maps and fucking only play arabia or arena because they are boors.
>>2413783>was at least 5 different Arabia maps to choose,jealous, I came in with DE.>OG Arabia full of elevations, small wood lines, wolves and your sheep far away.I remember checking old (ancient) Hera videos just sorting by Oldest on his YouTube and ye holy shit it looked very different. Insane hills everywhere
>>2413878it sucked because your boar could spawn on a hill and it would be hitting your villager with hill advantage when you were trying to lure it. your deer could also be on the other side of your wood line.
>>2413252>What exciting new mudhut "civs" we'll get in 6 months?You'll change your tune when you get steamrolled by hawaiian infantry rushes in 6 months!
Any chance the devs will remove Wu Wei and Shu from multiplayer? Or at least rename/rework them into actual civilizations? Literally just changing their names and removing the heroes would fix 99% of complaints. The civs as they are now feel like a weird mod
>>2414016>AoE2 devs>admit mistakeLol
>>2413990infantry sucks I'm not concerned. Unless they're better than jian swordsmen I guess.
>Opt to do an early infantry push and aggressively foward wall in Amazon Tunnel>Rush fails and we lose>Next game>Enemy Armenian decides to do an early infantry push and aggressively foward wall us>Push gets halted and wall denied>WinI feel like I should be getting a message from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-GzIKyPL8Kek his comment section is absolutely roasting him, this video is absolutely garbage.
>>2414016They changed the name of Mayans to Maya or something recently, so surely they'll consider it :^)
>>2414063>matze lumber camp rush defense tutorial next plzTop kak
>>2413765i wish more RTS games had maptypes like megarandom. playing the same maps forever fucking sucks.
>>24137831v1 Arabia is the way it's meant to be played.
>>2414061Well done saar!
>>2414061>Ghostmaster not playing infantry for onceSigns of the apocalypse
>>2414131agreed, I wish megarandom was popular, it ought to be.
>>2414857I would play mega random if it was more random, half the time it's Arabia but with slightly more resources. Hyperrandom is wayyy better, shame it's not an official map.
>>2414936yea
>>2414699I will let you know that I had a Hun phase in my life, I used to play with Scouts a lot. I also like Khmer and Magyars. And Saracens back in the original AoC when they were not used as archer spam civ all the time.
>>2413878>>2413891Also before DE you had to shoot the boar twice before moving your vill which meant you were always getting hit by it. Deer were losing interest in your scout much faster too, often resetting to original position after just 2 seconds. Oh and you didn't have free sheep under TC, sheep could also spawn further away than now.
>>2411881anyone?
>>2415135Stop chasing him and simply wall up or position your pikemen correctly.
what would you guys say to be the most popular RTS currently? SC2 or AoE2? I'm kinda bored of fighting games and want to dip my toes into another 1v1 genrr but I only have time to dedicate to 1 game so I might as well pick the most popular option
>>2415200Popularity is a broad subject that can be interpreted in many ways but AoE 2 is already ahead of sc2 in most metrics and it's been on steady incline for years, refusing to stop. Meanwhile sc2 which enjoyed years of being at the top in the past, has been somewhat rapidly declining.
>>2415135Towers near your villagers or a couple spearmen in accessible, defensive positions. You can get two spears for the cost of 1 horseman, so it's not a loss
>>2415200Aoe2 big huge. Steady patches and dlc, tens of thousands of concurrent players for years, and still has tournaments every year for 100k, 200k prizepools
>>2415200sc2 is probably still the most played 1v1 game, there is still no alternative to it. But aoe2 is also very popular, you can't go wrong with either.
>>2415200If you're korean, SC2, but in actuality, SC1If you're non-korean, AoE2
>>2415200broodwar in korea, starcraft 2 purely from player numbers (i'd imagine but not 100% sure), aoe2 2nd highest player count but biggest RTS esports scene outside korea.
How's Starcraft 2 teamgame situation? I think it isn't nearly as healthy as 1v1.
>>2415300And aoe1 in vietnam
>>2415631Is it still that way? As much as I love AoE1 it's so unbalanced.
>>2415663Hell if I know, I just heard they were crazy over it a year or 2 ago.
>>2415663They are so autistic about it that FE made a definitive edition for AoE I with up-to-date balance plus QoL features AND Return of Rome, which added a viet civ and the madeup ruleset made by 'nam's playerbase, and they still went "nope, luv me old-ass original game"
wait aoe2 has a voice chat? can i talk to the enemy during 1v1s? that'd be really entertaining
>>2415200Probably sc2 sadly.Broodwar has more concurrent players in Korea than AoE2 has worldwide, and I have hard time believing broodwar has more numbers than sc2.I think it'sSc2>Sc1>AoE2>AoE4>Wc3After wc3 I can barely guess, like maybe aoe2 and wc2 and then you get into the really low numbers where maybe 10 people play the rts each day
The topic of popularity reminds me of how during grubbys torunament there were a couple of people in the /v/ thread who were trying to tell me that wc3 is more popular than sc2 because it has good twitch numbers.I didn't bother arguing because it's pointless anyway when 5 people who are dead set on their opinion tag you, but I got the impression that a lot of people want sc2 to be dead
>>2415761Same retards who argue about FFXIV vs WoW popularity based on twitch numbers. Some games just don't have major twitch viewership. I assume most of WC3's playerbase is in custom games anyway.
>>2415761rts threads in /v/ just made me realize that the biggest shitposters are the tafags. they're like the cyclists of rts players.
>>2415736>Broodwar has more concurrent players in Korea than AoE2 has worldwideSource?
>>2415761but wc3 doesn't have good numbers??Grubby's tournament had good numbers but that's because it was 80% outside audiences
Warcraft 3 often struggles to break 1k on twitch.
Starcraft 2 used to be great but it declined hard.
AoE2 is very steady with jumps on tournament days (which happen all the time) and Hera's streamer invitational is barely starting. Expect similar jump to what Warcraft 3 experienced in 2025.
>>2415879aoe2 steamcharts, broodwar online player gateway
>>2415910Thanks.
>>2415910You telling me that bw has over 20k concurrent players just in Korea?
>At peak times I see like 2k+ at NA, 1k+ at EU west and on korean gateway like 30kRandom reddit comment from 3 years ago. 30k koreans every day, mad
>>2415934Good chunk of that has declined over past few years though.
give me one civ and one build order to learn this game
>>2416030Japanese. Man-at-arms rush into Samurai into Katapuruto Trebuchets. I call it The Kamikaze. It's a simple build really
>>2416030franks 2 stable knights
>>2415933why are you surprised? We keep telling you this is the case and you keep denying based on headcanon
I don’t understand the dock anymore.
Campaignfag here. Haven’t gotten a DLC since the armenians/georgians one. Are any of the newer ones any good?
>>2416513That depends, do you like mudhuts?
>>2416537That depends on what you mean. I found the african campaigns kinda meh, still had a lot of FE jank hanging off them. Not bad, but not great. I don’t really like the Aztec or Inca campaigns due to endlessly fighting the same 2-3 civs with similarly lacking variety in units. The Raja campaigns were all good to great. Indians too, they kinda got mushed together in my head. Think the only problem child was the Ghajuras or whatever, because I fucking hate playing that civ.
I play random without any particular build in mind. I let my intuition decide. That way, every game is a surprise.
>>2416513Chronicles (Greece and Alexander) are the absolute peak of Campaignkino
>>2416030malay 2 stable knights
>>2416030Fast castle magyar hussar
>>2416883I checked civ play rates today. This must be why Magyars are like top4 picked civs nowadays I guess.
>>2415708>and they still went "nope, luv me old-ass original game"Never underestimate an oldfag's ability to not play videogames
>>2417005you don't know what you're fucking talking about those viet boomers still play bloody roar 2 and aoe1 daily at their favorite internet cafe every day, the reason why AoE1 DE failed is because it's not easily pirateablet. viet
>>2416513play Chronicles
Singsing reached 1400 mmr in one week and did not get any pro coaching.He only watches Hera guides and reviews every replay
>>2417010never market to poor people is the lesson
>>2417115>reviews every replayThis coupled with him clearly being pretty smart helps a lot. Can maybe be competitive with grubby
>>2416998Magyars have been super popular since before DE released even. They kind of feel like the "standard civ" since they have such a complete tech tree, and none of the stigma of playing a civ that is considered OP
>>2417143>Forging, Iron Casting, and Blast Furnace are free.>Scout Cavalry line is 15% cheaper.That's not a standard civ. They're the best scout rush in the game.
>>2417132>>2417115Still think uthermal may have this.I only really learned about him a few months ago, but he's an sc2 guy who decided to learn broodwar over 100 games and he got pretty good pretty fast. Started by just playing a few games before checking guides to get a feel for it.He's got 1640 ELO in AoE2 so far.Seems like his attention is slightly split though, like sc2 got a big update and not sure how much sc2 stuff he's gonna do at the same time.Also Grubby is apparently teaching him wc3 at the same time, conspiracy theory: Grubby is trying to distract uthermal with wc3 to improve Grubby's chances of beating him in aoe2
>>2417244uthermal has played aoe2 before though
>>2417200Every civ has bonuses. And no, you can't say they are the best scout rush civ in the game. All of Mongols, Franks and Khitans can be considered better depending on what you value more.The other anon is absolutely right. Magyars do feel like a standard civ a lot. What's more, they don't have any eco bonus, but still are solid strong, so they are a popular choice for players who want to work on their fundamentals.Their unique unit looks really cool too, one of the top choices.
>>2417262>Their unique unit looks really cool toowho gives a shit about that, their castle skin is more important
>>2417269Everybody who isn't a shallow newfag like you.Magyars were popular because of their unique unit even back when they sucked.
>>2417275take a chill pill anon, I was just compimenting the magyar castle
>>2417276no you weren't, you were being a stupid faggot with your>who gives a shit about that
>>2417278>t. didn't take the pill
Are Magyars still the only civ with both FU paladins and arbs?
What's your usual advice for tower rushes/donjon spam? Usually I can simply move around and boom while the opponent wastes time and energy, but surely there's a more mathematical way to do it.
>>2417294Rush it down with vills, they have huge bonus damage.
>>2416030Aztecs FC monks>>2417115It is crazy what he can accomplish when he commits to something, must be autistic.>>2417132>>2417244Grubby and Uthermal are like chickens, they don't have nearly enough time to keep up with SingSing, that guy is already this good at 80 games. Grubby plummeted down to 1466, because he never remembers civ bonuses and his builds are not sharp, he has stabilized at 1554 but SingSing will be there in like 2-3 days
>>2417294Depends on the map, on arena I just counter tower and repair the counter tower without garrisoning it. Arabia you are more free to move other res or counter attack.
>>2416998Not a ton of people do fc magyar hussar, I think people just typically play them as pocket team game because they get the strongest scout rush and pocket.pure scouts is strong in tgs.
How do people get hard stuck bellow like 1200 elo? As a complete RTS noob I was able to hit 1200 elo in a few months of playing yet i see tons people who have been playing for 10+ years getting hard stuck in pre-beginner elos.
>>2417244>conspiracy theory: Grubby is trying to distract uthermal with wc3 to improve Grubby's chances of beating him in aoe2Kek, wouldn't surprise me. Grubby is a tryhard and it's his first tourney in 50 years so he's definitely taking it seriously. He's probably got an alt account he's practicing on too offstream
>Marc "uThermal" Schlappi (born November 10, 1995) is a Dutch Random player who last played for OFFSYDE EsportsGrubby, singsing and uthermal. Battle of the Dutch
>>2417402There's a distribution in cognitive ability and capacity, good chap
>>2417428To add to this, some people just like playing the game their way, doing silly builds and fucking around and ending it with 11 gg, if it didn't work out. Not everyone sits on discords or reads heras spreadsheets, or even cares to improve at all
>>2417402It could be divided interest
As revealed to me in a Dream:Roman Chronicles - Rome, Catharge and IberianBalkan Lords - Vlach and SclavenEnemies of the Aztecs - Zapotec and TrascanAfrican Coast - Oromo, Swahili, Somali (Ethiopia gets added to new East Africa architecture)Edge of the Empire - Tiebtans and Dali, Tagut split from Khitian (Persians get added to Central Asia architecture)Gold and Ivory - Sao, Congo
>>2417576>Iberianfake newsit would be gauls
>>2415135>>2411881Build towers close to gather linesStation some spearmenHarass back so his attention is divided
vietnamese should get redemption
>>2417639true they are kinda weak
>AoE4 >HRE vs Abba>I go feudal all-in MAA spam>Enemy doesn't scout and is going 2 TCs>Run MAAs around his filled TCs killing stray villagers until he surrendersQuestion: Do you give a shit about a strategy being "cheesy" or lame? A feudal all-in is the best thing you can do in some AoE4 matchups but it never feels earned when I catch a guy by surprise especially when it's just a quickmatch.
>>2417639Vietnamese should lose bloodlines
>>2417402what I want to know is how day9 got to 1200 without even knowing what men at arms do
do you agree with reddit's suggestions of what the next DLC should be?these opinions appear very popular over there...
>>2417319grubby frequently forgets what his own civs do
>>2417791The guy just said this after losing to Huns spamming skirms, as Ethiopians, and after having played Ethiopians probably 20+ times>do I get BBC?
>>2417795Yes it inspired me to write it. Right after that he looked what his imp tech does
>>2417648Okay but their archery range units are now affected by sanctity and fervor
>>2417402As a crapper like that, it's unwillingness to fully engage with components of the game like strict build orders, control groups, and hotkeys. These things are almost completely overlooked and unnecessary in singleplayer where you can freewheel it.
>>2417669>"What do you think the next DLC will feature? African civs? Zulu?">Saying african civs twice in the OP aloneDamn, they are dead set in shoving more africans.
>>2417669>>2418590There's some African civs I could see working. Egyptians or Zulu or something. Wouldn't be my first picks, but we're way, way past those anyway.
>>2417669i want the USA to be added. we already added 3chinkdoms which is even further away than other civs were, so USA is perfectly within the realm of possibility.
>>2418610Egyptians are in as Saracens, unless it's also used for SaracenspleetZulu are way too early. That'd be like adding the Etruscans
>>2418629>i want the USA to be addedIroquois, Pueblo and Mississippian civs for the next expansion, coming right up!
Why are the male villagers shirtless and not the female ones?
>>2417639vietnamese should get nerfed.
>>2417669Need a european DLC before we get more mudhutters.
>>2418690They should get their unit hp bonus reduced to 15%
>>2418689the female ones are type B.
>>2418695I was thinking just remove BBC or elite skirm to start but that's fine too.
so quick question friendsdoes the Sengoku Daimyo Aura in Age 4 applies to my teammates units in teamplay?
>>2418535>strict build ordersSure>control groups, and hotkeysThese just make the game easier to play and less APM intensive though
>>2418689AoE I holdover, but silhouette as well.
Now that the dust has settled, was auto farm really that bad of an addition?
>>2419037Love it, but if they add auto-villagers I would genuinely honest-to-God quit. Singsing said he wanted it and I tried to slap him through the monitor
>>2418690>>2417648Yes, they need to lose bloodlines>>2418695>>2417639>>2417640No
>hera paid some "ex google employee" to vibe-code his site
>>2419037Of course not.I do wish there was a way to remove select farms from being auto-reseeded, though. Would occasionally be really handy.
The remade Inca campaign is nice and I don't know why I think that. There's a little more variety in your enemies, but only a little, and every map is now just champi spam on your part. I guess I just like champis? I definitely don't like the trash slingers and and nerfed UT.
>>2419174shit, i finished the other south american civ campaigns and completely forgot they redid the inca stuff. does it get new voicelines and objectives or only new interactions in the same missions?
>>2418768On the contrary, there's nothing easier than using the mouse for every action. It requires very little thought.
want to improve at aoe however i always panic whenever someone attacks me... and i cant bring myself to rush or attack enemy base, just too insecure to do that, send help
>>2419063Didn't some loudmouths got AoM military autoqueue restricted from ranked play? If it happens to AoE II I'm sure enough pushback from compfags will make the devs reconsider.
>>2419386>AoM military autoqueueOk, that's just lazy
>>2419382Early attacks aren't the end of the world, just play more games to immunize yourself to your own fears. Think of it as a good thing you're being attacked, because if you are that means your opponent sacrificed economy to do it. Not only does your opponent sacrifice economy through resources, but if he also has units attacking in feudal or whatever, he has to constantly switch from macro to micro, which noobs can't do well. Fend off just one attack and you're in a great position to win.Obviously be cognizant of where you can wall/have counters ready/understand your opponent's mentality. My micro sucks, but I've fended off countless scout rushes for instance with just a few spears because many attackers are loss-averse and can't bear/don't have the multitasking to dive their scouts in for long. Mr. Cool Guy makes 5 scouts plus forging for 550 food, I can just as well make 4 spears for just 240 resources. 550 vs. 240 resources is a LOT in feudal. And if he doubles down, even better! 1100 resources vs. 480 is even worse math for him.More obviously, keep villager production up. Always. Until imp at 100+ total.
>>2419390The Titans had the option for autoqueue on everything regardless, it was Retold that disabled it days before release. The game also runs on a different economy and pace, a player already took his first few skirmishes in AoM by the time a player hits Feudal in AoE II, and nearly every human soldier costs gold and 2+ population space so trash units just don't exist in the conventional sense either. Villagers have a hard cap at 100. For military autoqueue specifically, a less-skilled player might expand too thinly because of it.Research can be autoqueued as well, and begins to kick in and take precedence over the rest when you have enough resources to start it. So you could determine what minor god you want to age up with ahead of time and then it begins ticking down the instant all the resources and requirements are satisfied, suspending villager creation. Queued techs also make progress if you're housed and if a queued unit is at 99%.
>>2419382Just relax and realize the best way to improve is through playing online. Just remember that people are at the same elo level as you for a reason, and if they succesfully attack you odds are they have already made a few mistakes at home such as not making vills. If you dont know hotkeys yet you should learn those because it will speed up your game by a lot and give you more time to respond, plan and decrease the chance you feel overwhelmed
Give me a one size fits all anti-proxy solution. Now!
>>2419382Do you always panic when you're attacked or only when you're rushed?If the latter the universal videogame trick is to do those strats yourself and see how more experienced players handle it from the other side.
Where is the patch?
>>2419640Devs thought it would be funny if Incas remained unplayable garbage for a little while longer.
>>2419646they were righti’m having a hearty chortle about it right now
>>2419170in what situation exactly?
>>2419382>cant bring myself to attack enemy basethis is the only way to win in 99% of games, 1% being the opponent resigning after losing an all-in pushmake 3 knights and right click into enemy basesimple as
>>2419382I used to be like that but then I decided I was going to get gooder. I printed out a build from aoe heaven and practiced doing it against the ai. when I thought I had it down I tried doing it in multiplayer. even though I totally fucked the build up and was like a minute late, when I got to my opponent's base he typed "wait." I thought he wanted to pause so I told him it was ok, but he typed back "no don't attack yet I'm not done building my base." I laughed and killed his shit. anyway I realized my opponent was a loser and decided I didn't want to be like that so I was always going to attack.
>>2419710When you have some farms you don't want to reseed. They were placed sub-optimally for whatever reason, they're in a location you don't want to hold for much longer, they're farms you stole from another player. It's more common in campaigns.
>>2419425Skirms and scouting, no military buildings in their base and they're not on stone? Means proxy
>>2419640Just dropped, rip TupiPoopi
>>2419284I don't know, I never finished the original version.
>>2420052Honestly this patch buffs tupi more than it nerfs them
There was a random post on /v/ about sea cultures, the maya, and egytians getting cucked but the Aztecs being safeI'm not sure it's even about Age of Empires, but it used some unit art as the post before the jannies removed it, so I think it might have beenWas there some recent patch or announcement that explains what that anon was talking about?
whenever i try to play this game, i always get the same 5-or-6-year-old tutorial vids, are there newer guides for noobs?
>>2420429download hera's spreadsheets and watch his videos. does anyone know if there's a spreadsheet for phoshporu fc? I watched him coaching yamatocannon for the tournament but I couldn't find the videos he was talking about so I assume they must be paywalled.
I have finished the Pachacuti campaign. Only 5 campaigns left. Loved it! Love the history, loved teh scenarios. Definitely one of my favorites
In order to get the steam achievement of winning a game with all civs does that include the return of rome and the chronicles as well or just the aoe2 civs?
Does anyone want to play a fatslob type game? vikings mirror, black forest
>>2420471You'd have to play on AoC since Onagers can destroy trees.
I will go stay with my cousin Bogdan in Moldovaoh man i wanted to play the Vlad Dracula campaign so badly, but i am playing by chronological order.
>>2420471>>2420483gotta do it Hun mirror these days
>push Hera outside of the optimal macro timing>he crumbles
>7 Ls in a rowdamn Atrioc is WASHED
>>2420392There are no Egyptians in aoe2. Must have been a different game.
>>2420844>>2420392I'm willing to bet it was about the new god of söy announcement.
>>2419037Of course they weren't. God damn, i hated that so much, in the middle of the fight and all my god damn farms going dry
>>2420844There are Egyptian in Age of Empires 2: Return of Rome dlc THOUGH
>>2420898https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfwNRf04Oo
So...the only thing there's left for dlc content is more eruropean campaigns of diferent historical eventsOr will they release another chronicles dlc?It has been 2 dlc every year
>>2420788Just a small correction. Trust the plan burgerbros
>>2420788>atriocreminds mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89lO3_Vxz_o&t=297s4:57 timestamp
>>2420924>So...the only thing there's left for dlc content is more europeanNot so fast, wahboi
>>2421001AoE 3 already did the northern american indian tribes, they can't do it on 2Actually i really look forward to play The Last Chieftains dlc.
>>2420924don't worry they'll do plenty more spleets and irrelevant mud hutters
>>2420924I'm waiting for the inevitable rework of legacy civs, the way they reworked Indians and Chinese into specific cultural groups. Cause "Celts" are just as bad if not worse than the vagueness of "Indians" or "Chinese". There was arguably never even a single, definitive "Celt" civilization, it's always been a hodgepodge of different groups. But you can't touch a beloved legacy civ like Celts very easily. Tackling the Chinese was a bold step, but now I really want to see some actual historical "Celt" civs.Honestly they need to do that with Britons, as well, who are ironically named after a Celtic tribe despite being based entirely on the English.
>>2420750I'm reminded that a lot of what makes Pros so elite is just the settings that are used for high level tournaments. They are hyper-specialized into mastering the game under very specific, predetermined conditions. It doesn't take much to throw pros off their game, because they are nearly hardwired into using certain macros and following specific build orders that their settings demand.
>>2421053>the way they reworked (...) Chinese into specific cultural groupsI mean, sorta. We still have chinks, but now we also have pre-medieval chink faction 1, pre-medieval chink faction 2 and pre-medieval chink faction 3 running along with vanilla chinks, unlike the original indian civ which actually got spleet.
>>2421053Because they gave the Euros (and Saracens) the archaic, Latin names and while the Asians were kept at recognizable levels to westerners. Chinese instead of HanKoreans could've been YemaekJapanese could've been Yamato again, seeing how their Age1 campaign takes place during the 3 Kingdoms campaignAt least Khmer aren't just called "Cambodians" and the Jurchens instead of ManchusIt's by that mindset we don't need Scots, Gaels, and Irish, when they're all scrubby, trash rushers, nor Anglo-Saxons, Welsh, and English, the latter two fulfilling the same roles while Anglo-Saxons are perfectly fine with Goth huscarls. Britons and Celts captures the umbrella and the medieval tone, we don't need Provençals and Norwegians and Southwest Forest Bantu civs as spleetsItalians should've been Lombards, too, but if theyre the Latinized authors, they're also not going to call themselves that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard_banking
>>2421102>we don't need ProvençalsAgree>and NorwegiansAgree>and Southwest Forest BantuYOU HECKIN' CHUD!!!
>>2421114t. HPM
There will be no peace amongst the leddits until the civ roster looks like the list of cultures in Crusader Kings (and then they will scour the rest of the globe)
>siege ram for Armenians >incan food discount +10% across the boardI'm happy.
>>2421133New civs is the only way the game can get new multiplayer content without ruining the old civs.
>>2421056This is why membs Warlords format is great. You've got to win in each map category like chaotic, closed, open, water, etc. so pure Arabia drones get fraud-checked
>>2421156Great, let's add more european civs then.WelshIrishRusBohemiansDutchGenoesePisansBasquesSwissKnights Templargogogo!
>>2421209shame it is cast by memb
>>2421215>BohemiansAnon...
>>2421215Irish doesn't make sense. They are only a nation since 1920Knights Templar doesnt make sense as a civ, but you could make a campaign out of them, a very good one, similar to The Hautevilles and Bari, spanning various centuries.Bohemians are already a thing, and they have their own campaign whch is awesomeRus, Dutch woudl be great aditions, especially with campaigns.
>>2421223Oh right, I always just think of them as Hussites.>>2421224>Irish doesn't make sense. They are only a nation since 1920You should put your silly meme one-liner at the end so I don't stop reading your post early.
>>2421215>>2421224Would Rus be a Slav split or something independent of them? Because I like the Slavs as-is. God damn I wish they had a campaign.
I am an autistic old man, i was playing this game as 9/11 was unfolding live on TV, i was playing the Saladin campaign. I only play campaigns on standard, because i am slow af, i only play with the mouse and i manually click everything. Also i am slow thinking, and i only attack after i scouted properly and i decide what is the best approach.Everytime i stepped into multiplayer i got destroyed easily. Maybe once i ran out of campaigns, i will learn how to play multiplayerI wish i could be an half decent multiplayer gamer on AoE
>>2421216There are other people that cast Memb's tournaments besides Memb. He is just the host.
>>2421359
>>2421363
>>2421371kek
>>2421215All talk of Spleetery must be kept to an absolute minimum >>2404053
>>2421216A BADABOOM WHEN THE KNIIIIGHTS HAS COOOM TOTAL BROOTALIZATION
>>2421371lel
>>2421363at least he learned the hard way how important relics are
>>2421363Kino match
is sniffing brit even gonna play?
>>2421616Jabo and Brit are just gonna rawdawg this tournament without previously playing the game
>>2421616I think so.Not sure he'll win any game since his content relies on showing exploits through heavily edited videos.
>>2421616He's cooking in single player, trust the plan
>>2421102>Britons and Celts captures the umbrella and the medieval toneExcept those aren't medieval terms, they're from antiquity. Late antiquity, at the most recent. And they're also inaccurate, as I mentioned, since the Celts in AoE2 aren't the iron age tribe the name refers to, and the Britons in AoE2 are actually English. Briton is NOT an applicable umbrella term that includes the English, the English are not Britons at all, they're not the same ethnicity, they don't speak the same language, they're not from the same time period.
>>2421363wtf was this 6 hours or 6 minutes?
>>2421616sniffing jeet
Singsing just got Inca Champi rushed three times in a row, broke his monitor and quit the stream. Can't believe that just happened
>>2421785can't wait for all these outsider streamers to find out how fucking retarded the AoE2 devs and their balance is
>>2421691Over six hours.
>>2421267I only watch T90 or Dave casts and they didn't cover this one.
>>2421794>>2421785the mudhut savages WILL be competitive, chuds!
>>2421858TWest is chill and knows a lot, he worked on half of maps.
>>2421858>T90Fuck that tard. Hate listening to him speak. Dave is good though.
>>2421215>BohemiansYou don't play the gameStop posting
>Poles 1>beat yellow first, kill his army, leave his base>DEUS VULT>they head straight for the undefended yellow >oh fuck>turn back around, fight them off>yellow's in ruins>starts to rebuild, but not expecting much from an AI ally>latter>got a big army, swing around back of teal to treb down his rear castle>the second trebs fire and aggro teal's army a second DEUS VULT steps out of the fog>oh fuck>pincered, just barely get castle down, lose most of army defending the irreplaceable trebs, limp back to base to rebuild>and run right into yellow's giant rebuilt army marching straight for last teal castle>follow them in, huge combined attack, winMan. What is it about this campaign? Stuff like this just doesn't seem to happen in the others.
>>2421895Isn't it a 3sword campaign?
>>2421248let yourself get destroyed until you're low enough elo to play comfy
>>2421858Seconding this >>2421863Twest is good at it, especialy when together with Ornulu. Both are better casting together than when separate.
>>2421895it is worth the suffering if it's done for best girl
>>2421248>i only play with the mouse and i manually click everythingthe only reason to do this is because you're a stubborn old man who internalized the idea of "hotkeys = sweaty"hotkeys are objectively more chill to play than having to frantically move your mouse around to click everything
>>2421898Sure, but difficulty and magic like this aren’t the same thing.>>2421905Damn right.I just wish the campaign was a little more well-suited to the Poles and their strengths. And that the third mission wasn’t shit.
>>2421906Huge agree.QWER is extremely obvious too, you don't even need to memorize anything, just look at the interface and press the respective button.
>>2421917Hotkeys being keyed to where the buttons are on the screen was a game changer for me.
>>2421918It makes going back to old ages really hard because I only knew B -> F and B -> E lmao
Is there a reason why you shouldn't use grid hotkeys?
>>2421785@grok is this real? does anyone have a stream link?
>>2421876I meant Bavarians.
>>2421974no you didn't >>2421226
>>2421359Teutonic fortress has been doing this for like 5+ years and very few people noticed. I'm honestly surprised that nobody had picked up on his crazy games until recently. I think aoe2 casters have fallen off the past few years and have only really been casting boring meta faggotry. Hopefully this will lead to a paradigm shift where people start looking at players who are playing the way they find fun.
PSA: Get this mod, it gets rid of the stupid dlc advertisements on the main menu.
>>2421978Yes, I think of Bohemians as Hussites. When I was naming euro civs to add I was thinking of Bavarians.
>>2421988advertisements inside the game you already paid for are cringe, not already owning the kinoest aoe2 DLC is cringier
>>2421918>Hotkeys being keyed to where the buttons are on the screen was a game changer for me.I remember playing scbw and having to press P for probe every couple of seconds kek. Exclusively use grid hotkeys now, and select all army, select all tcs, fk it even select all castles. Comfy maxing
>>2421990Again, you don't play the game.Stop posting.
>this fucking guy
>>2421902twest + ornlu is a nice combo, they know a fuckton about the game including tiny details someone like T90 has no clue about, and they're not afraid to talk shit about the terrible decisions the devs are doing unlike most other shill casters
>>2421133It improves the game to have every civ in the world in it.
>>2422010No actually I was thinking of Austrians.
God, Vietnamese is such a weak civPerhaps they should get masonry for free
>>2421359I'm 90 minutes into this video and it has so been 90 minutes of pure kino
>>2421363T90 screaming about trickle trebs for 6 hours straight
>>2421988I've been using the original main menu mod for years, never even saw these new ads
>>2422022>falls for the most obvious trap feigned retreat ambush in history award
>>2422083Too funny when he googled his opponent and found out who it was
>>2422058Austrians and Bavarians weren't really distinct during the medieval period. The Wittelsbachs, Hapsburgs, and Luxembourgs were political dynasties, not people groups. Otherwise, the Ottonians were old Saxony, Salians were Franconianand Hohenstaufen were Swabian: it's all Teutons. There could be something said for the differences between the Germans of Rhine and Danube versus the Elbe frontier, as some kind of High German versus Low German, but its still just needless spleetery
>>2422069>Top 5 civ is actually le weakLet me guess, Chinese and Persians are also weak
>>2422173We have Spanish with Conquistadors, Poles with winged hussars and Turks with Jannisarries, why wouldn't Austrians be in? Habsburgs(one of the most important noble families of human history) are in control from 1438(Byzantium(another civ in this game) falls in 1453) and are then the Holy Roman Emperor and manipulate all Germans for centuries.
>>2422231you are autistic
>>2422272where do you think we are?
>>2422274Hell.
>>2422260>Want to shitpost about having AoEIII's Doppelsöldner/Landsknechte join AoEII as Austrians' UU>Remember the tupi UU already took the "infantry that does aoe damage" gimmickGoddamnit all...
>>2421248I am also an old man, but I play on controller on my xbox nowadays. It is the peak comfy way to play low and slow.
>>2422289If this is hell it could be a lot worse.>>2422340>>Want to shitpost about having AoEIII's Doppelsöldner/Landsknechte join AoEII as Austrians' UULet's just add them, they can do...shit, armor piercing and bleed DoT already exist. Honestly just give them AoE too, Druzhina was in before Tupi.
See, this is more in-line with what I'd expect of an AI ally. Thanks for holding the bridge, guys. No, no, don't worry, I'll go around.
>>2422729Turn off bloom.
>>2421359I watched the whole thing and he lost like 100 units or more because they were on aggressive and would suicide into the fortress as soon as he stopped clicking on them. it's crazy that the game sabotages you like that by making it the default stance.
>>2422798Every stance can screw your units if they’re caught in it at the wrong time. Gotta micro it. Aggressive is the worst, but I do wish defensive had a little more range of movement.
>>2422798You can change the default from Aggressive to Defensive and they won't autocharge stuff.
>>2422729Boar sniffing another boar's butthole.
Devs, PLEASE do not fix this bug
>>2422729So pretty
when will they add faction unique vill skins like they did for priests?
AoE4 bros what do we think of the abba rewok?Administration wing seems better than eco wing for eco now
>>2421785>Singsing just got Inca Champi rushed three times in a row, broke his monitor and quit the stream. Can't believe that just happenedHe got so mad at champis and smurfis that he's currently spamming Inca champi rushes nonstop, he's joined the dark side
>>2422340>aoe infantry with low armor and arrow dodgesend it
>>2423068Infantry shwarmas would be real fun.
>Many of the Archer unit models wield unique bows. The Mongol and Chinese wield longer, Asian/Scythian style 'W' shaped composite bows with long siyahs. The Ottoman Archers wield shorter Turkish-style composite bows. Post-upgrade Abbasid archers and Rus Archers also wield separate styles of recurved composite bow. The Delhi Sultanate, French, HRE, Malian, and pre-upgrade Abbasid Archers wield wooden self bows. Except for the Delhi Sultanate Archers, who should also be equipped with composite bows, these bow types generally match the bows that would have really been used by each civilization.Man, the level of attention to detail they put on AoE IV only to not even end up as second banana to the almost three decades old game.
>>2423181What's the point in all of that if you throw up furiously every time you stare at the units fighting because the animations are so shit?
Is the game stuttering real fucking hard for anyone else after the update? Happens whenever i tell a bunch of units to move.
>>2423181Maybe they should have released the game in better state than pre-alpha, fixed some gamebreaking bugs and did something about disastrous balance faster than 6-12 months after official launch.People never got a chance to notice those details.
>>2423325Nope, but a lot of people seem to be having one kind of issue or a another. On the discord they said they're preparing two patches for next week so it's probably not just your imagination kek.
>>2423325>Add mac compatibility>Performance tanks even further!I sure do love adding cross play features.
The last 2 dlcs were really damaging to the game because the civ designs take too many liberties. Hei Guang are literally an aoe3 unit. Technically a knight, but not quite. Stop with retarded regional units like Champies and Fire Lancers. Stop insisting that every new civ needs two unique units. AoE2 was designed around every civ having one unique unit. Give it 3 more dlcs and half of the roster is going to be from AoE3. This brings up another question, at which DLC do you think did civ design peak?
>>2423417>Hei Guang are literally an aoe3 unitElaborate. I ain't touching 3chinkdoms.
>>2423428AoE3 civs have units that fill out the same role, just with different skins, names and slithgly different stats. For example, the standard musketeer of the euro civs. But Ottomans have Janissary, Japanese have Ashigaru, Indians have Sepoy, etc.And that's exactly what the Hei Guang is, they are a knight with slightly adjusted stats. They have more armor and less hp. They do a bit better in some cased and a bit worse in other cases. But they are just a regional version of a knight.
how do pros even decide what to focus on when there's a lot going on? I just watched hera lose half his army to a mangonel while he was looking away to micro 2 villagers.
>>2423417I like champis. They feel good to use and suit the civs that have them.The Chinese regionals all feel terrible, though, especially fire lancers.
>>2423417>AoE2 was designed around every civ having one unique unit.Vikings were in age of kings and had two unique units. Koreans and Spanish were in conquerors and had two unique units.You're just a "old good, new bad" kinda retard.
>>2423449>You're just a "old good, new bad" kinda retard.No, I am not. I didn't say that civs aren't allowed to have two unique units. The keyword being "every". Also, two of the unique units you were listing are ships. If you want to count ships, then three chinkdom civs have: 2 unique units and 3 regional units.I have a question for you, do you disagree with the statement that new civs try to be more different than old civs?
>>2423449>lumps boats in with land military unitsYou're a disingenuous faggot. If every mudhut tribe gets a UU from castle, archery range and stable then european civs need more UUs too, it's fucking ridiculous.
>>2423479>If every mudhut tribe gets a UU from castle, archery range and stable then european civs need more UUs tooOh. I understand now.
>>2423482>Oh. I understand now.so why did you ignore my direct question to you?
how is china a gunpowder civ when they don't get hand cannons or bbcs? they need to redo the china spleet.
>>2423483NTA.
>>2423365>>2423359It certainly has to do with pathfinding changes but I hope they get it sorted out. Had big campaign plans for the weekend and now I'll just play different games I guess...
>>2423495They invented gunpowder and get rocket carts, lioa chuans and fire lancers.
>>2422022Love this guy like you wouldn't believe.
>>2423506koreans get all of those except luo chans plus hand cannons and bbcs but they aren't labelled a gunpowder civ.
>>2423514That's because Korea is not a gunpowder civ.
>>2423452no I don't disagree with that statement. I Just don't see why it's bad, Why can't the new civs be more different? OLD GOOD, NEW BAD!
>>2423479Spanish had Missionaries from the Monastery in 2001, 25 years ago.
>>2423365That, and I remember reading the patch notes, seeing the generic sentence "Improved memory peformance" and thinking dear God what ancient, essential code did they just mess with
>>2423562Because civs from the last two dlcs feel like they belong to a different game. Learning 53 civs is already a high barrier of entry for new players and introducing aoe3 civs is just doubling down on the problem. But you know what, just go ahead and repeat your catch phrase for a third time, dumb nigger.
>>2423579>calls me a dumb nigger>Can't even figure out one, ONE, A singular video game.FUCKING LOL
>>2423567ESL
Sounds like we needa regional unit for the previous DLC and a repalcement/new UU for each.Starting with Age of KingsBritonsCeltsFranksGothsTeutonsByzantinesPersiansSaracensTurksChineseJapaneseMongols
>>2423538yeah but the label for chinese is nonsense. being able to build a few gunpowder units doesn't make you a gunpowder civ.
>>2423181Meanwhile AoE2 has celts and picts and nobody cares.Attention to details is a meme.
>>2423417I feel like Dawn of the Dukes is by far the best DLC, decently powerful civs that have some interesting new mechanics, but nothing that clashes with the existing civs too much. Anything that came after Dynasties of India can be removed from the game if it were up to me.You are absolutely correct about the last 2 DLC's btw. I took a 4 year break from playing and couldn't believe they actually added those dogshit chink civs
I think I speak for everyone when I say Vietnamese could do with some minor buffs.I think Siege Engineers should be considered an eco tech for the purpose of their civ bonus.
>>2423616>BritonsBillhook, sort of a flemish militia but better armor>Celtsneeds spleet, but you can add like gallowgleigh, highlander, welsh can get longbowmen>FranksHonestly just needs a unique paladin, Savar style>GothsDelete woads due to celt split and give them to Goths with a suitable name>TeutonsAgain, unique Paladin>Byzantinesunique fire ship or unique skirmisher replacing imp skirm(imp skirm should be deleted period)>PersiansI would count Savar already, but maybe they can get a nique cross bow which makes Kommandaran actually useable>SaracensUnique camel>TurksUnique BBC of course>ChineseMove chu ko nu to archery range, give castles...I dunno actually, I guess it depends on what time period/dynasty we're assuming "Chinese" is.>Japaneseunique cav archer or spearman>Mongolsunique outpost which boosts mounted unit speed around it
>>2421209Warlords is still mostly the same as random map settings, which you can tell by looking at who qualifies and makes it to the final 4. There's some variance there, compared to more straight forward random map tourneys, but it's still the same pool of elite ELO random map ranked 1v1 players. I just want more team games, mostly. AoE feels like a totally different game when it's even just 2v2, let alone bigger games.
>>2421224>Knights Templar doesnt make sense as a civ,Neither does the Teutonic Order, yet here we are
>aoe4 getting vikangzwill they finally put out a dlc for 4 that gets positive reviews?iirc only sultans ascend had a good response, everything else got shat on relentlessly by 4fags
>>2423847>>Japanese>unique cav archerReally needs to be this. Cav archers are already a core part of the Japanese identity in AoE2, and it fits with the historical role of the samurai.
LET'S GO LADS
>>2423852How do you figure? The Teutonic order controlled huge stretches of Northern Europe and had a distinct culture.
Scots and Vikings for Age4https://aoe.ms/RotNWishlistSteam
>>2423847Horrible disgusting ideas>Take away paladin from the civs that make sense to have it>Take away iconic units for 'historic accuracy'>Add unecessary bullshit to the bloated gameNo>>2423616None of these need anything. At most you could get a regional swordsman variant to the middle easterns and a non-crossbow archer variant to mudhutters and native americans.
>>2423847awful dogshit
No shenanigans allowed!
>>2423970>Take away paladin from the civs that make sense to have itMore like make all other Paladins unique so Frank Paladins can actually be cool again>Take away iconic units for 'historic accuracy'I did not advocate removing any iconic unit>Add unecessary bullshit to the bloated gameThey just added a bunch of south american tribals dude, I don't think you play this game.
>>2423981>so Frank Paladins can actually be cool againWhat makes frank paladins uncool? They literally have the french flag all over them, there is no reason to make a unique unit to fit that role. If anything, a new unique paladin would take away from the Savar.>I did not advocate removing any iconic unitRemoving woads from celts>south american tribalsThose are included in the 'bloated game' part of what I said. We don't need any more than that.
>>2424007I said transfer woads, they're nonsensical anyway. You can't argue against adding euro units and not fight for removal of jeets, mudhuts and fantasy chinamen. Pick one.
>>2423968>two new factions>no new campaign content, just extra modifiers for the vs AI skirmish mode and biomes(paid map skins)it really does feel like they just shit these out with minimum effort nowadaysremember when sultans ascend added 6 new factions and a full campaign? I do
Alright I'm going back in Do I re-learn the game with Byzantines or Romans? I already bought the discounted DLC so
>>2424267>Do I re-learn the game with ByzantinesBrother, Byzantines are an AoK civHow the fuck do you need to re-learn an old civ?
>>2424278Meaning I barely know anything other than vague notions of chasing after boars and herding sheep to your base.I want to get back into the game but from what I've seen Romans are retard-mode and I fear that the eco bonus will make me a shit player. And from what I remember, Byzantines aren't good in standard 1v1. What do I know though
>>2424281Romans get a good eco bonus, but they fall off in the deep late game so they favor early agression.Byzantines are opposite, they get no real eco bonus, but cheap counter units and high hp buildings make them very defensive until they get to late game where they get access to a large tech tree.In my opinion. pick romans if you want to learn to rush. Pick byzantines if you want to learn to boom.I think byzantines (my personal favorite civ) is a good learning civ though, having no eco bonus, shows you what a base line eco looks like, while having a defensive focus means it teaches you good habits (tech switching and counters units) while the large tech tree while it can be a noob trap (investing too much in technologies you'll never use), it can also allow you to experiment with a lot of different units. Also their free line of sight bonuses is just a nice perk that gets you appreciating the effects of building line of sight. your main units would be spears, skirmishers, camels, cataphracts, fire galleys, dromons, and monks. but you can also go archers, cav archers, knights, men at arms, handguns pretty easily.
>>2424281Worry about improving your gameplay rather than focusing a civ.Learn a basic build order, a rush order, what units counter what, important timings, improve your micro, improve your macro, etc.No civ will pull you if you're an absolute death weight in terms of gameplay.If anything, if you want an ez civ to play and get yourself familiar with the game, play Mongols instead.
>>2423968AI sloppa. I'd take an AI sloppa aoe2 viking spleet any day of the week though
>>2424267Romans, so you can make all the Inca champi rushers seethe. Make sure to flame them too
>>2424334I'm not asking for a civ to carry me to high elo or what have you, I want to learn the learn the game properly and to avoid gimmicks.My worry with Byzantines was that I can get used to spamming trash and I'm not sure it's a good idea.>>2424359>>2424302Man these are equally good pieces of advice. Thanks
>>2424049>it really does feel like they just shit these out with minimum effort nowadaysIt's not that, watch all of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-v_Yc6fSq0The devs kinda fucked themselves.
>>2423968>no body hairdo vikingsissies really?
how do you turn this on
>>2424912alt f4
someone explain the phosphoru meme. I remember watching a video a few years ago where hera was saying fc uu was a shit build on arabia and he wasn't going to use it in kotd. what changed to make it actually good now? what was phosphoru's actual innovation? just that you can get to castle without farms?
>>2423417One or two regional units is fine, 3K just went way too fucking hard on that shit along with every other cancerous mechanic possible, on what was already civs outside the timeframe for obvious pandering to the chink market>multiple regional units>multiple unique units>heroes>>2423639India DLC was already fucking annoying with the shawarmas and all the elephant units, but at least elephants are obvious as to how to counter them
>>2425047Phospheru got better at the game and got to a solid elo with the strat. Aoe2 players dont respect you or your strategies unless you are like top 50. The strat gets nerfed in some way in like every patch but there are so many viable unique units that the strat refuses to die. Also the strat kind of counters the skirm + wall and super early feudal builds that have been plaguing arabia.
>>2425073>Also the strat kind of counters the skirm + wall and super early feudal builds that have been plaguing arabia.I don't really get this part. historically the weakness of fc on arabia is that you would die if someone attacked you early, but now apparently you can just not die?
>>2425083faster feudal = slower castle, and the phospheru style involves small walling and towering and vill fighting off army if needed. even if you lose a few vills you can potentially get even more damage on your opponent with the window of having a tech advantage in castle age.
>>2425083So long as enough vills survive to keep the castle producing, the UUs can usually end the game on their own
Do people in these threads even play ranked or are they all single player only shitters?
>>2425152There's a bit of both.
>>2425152I exclusively play team ranked games and only as a premade with my friends.
Viper mentioned wanting a checkbox next to mirror civ, which would be for Quickstart. So if both players cross that box, it would be 9 vil start instead of 3. What does /aoe2g/ think of this?
>>2425279I think viper should learn to play the game instead of whining
>>2425152Considering the smurf epidemic that has been exposed by the streamer tournament, I'm glad to be a compstompfag
>>2425279I support 9 vil starts regardless, dark age is fucking tiresome and boring.
>>2425331Please elaborate on the exposed smurfs
>>2425279Just play Empire Wars at that stage.
>>2425453Nah Empire Wars will never be mainstream. It would be removed entirely by now if Red Bull didn't like having their own game mode.
>>2425408Accounts like pic related with 20% of their games being 30 second losses
>>2425402I think 9 vill start is good for closed maps but 9 vill start kind of kills of laming and instant barracks strategies on open maps.
>>2425331I think streamers were exposed to the worst of it since smurfs went out of their way to queue snipe them. Smurfing is a problem and I heard somewhere that in the last update a lot of smurfs are getting bans.
why don't they just use ai to detect smurfs? like have a basic filter to flag accounts with over a certain % of losses within the first minute and then use ai to look at a replay to see if the player is smurfing.
>>2425466No, no, no. This simply isn't clear enough. We need more data, we remain data-driven and focus on checks and balances, but this may potentially be brought up as a topic for the second quarter of Q3 2028 when we have planned in one month where we don't release trash DLCs and instead focus on game polish
>>2425703Singsing is a bit paranoid and didn't know how to tell if someone was a smurf or not. When he found out about the stats page he legit said 75% of his games were against smurfs that day, when in reality it's been maybe 2 a day with 10+ games played. Which is still horrible, desu. Just 20% HEHE.
Anyone 1000+ elo wanna do team games?
>>2425700I feel like that only happens on the tourney maps where both players spawn near a central boar area. If they spawn apart and only get 2 boars as usual, with 9 vil start you should be able to take them both quickly, before they can be stolen. At any rate that kind of "action" in dark age I'm okay with, much better than deer pushing.
>>2426118>Every game is a mongols/goth lame festNot fun to play, maybe it is entertaining to watch but it is a shit map to play
what's the spiffing Brit doing?this has to be some sort of ploy to lure everyone else in Hera's tournament into a false sense of security? surely he found some sort of flaw in the system he can exploit and isn't just being lazy/forgot he's in a aoe2 tournament, right?
>>2426357He just needs 10 tupi games to get to 2k
isn't it kind of funny that saracens have to eat pigs in this game?
>>2426422Was the no pork rule a thing in the middle ages already?
>>2426450Yes.>>2426357There are no exploits for him here. You really think multiplayer sweats wouldn't have found and gotten them patched years ago?
>>2426422they fixed that in age4, with Abbasids/Ayyubids, and Delhi/Tughaluq (don't get bush boost) getting berry benefits instead of boar
>>2426357Teutonic Fortress.
>>2426357He's the wildcard, nobody knows what he's cooking
>>2426357His one AoM Retold video covered more of a novelty with the Automatons repairing themselves to get past population cap, which he knows would be relatively impractical in a multiplayer let alone higher difficulty game. Probably just more for a signal boost if not content creation?
>decide to watch some pro players>hera gookclicks constantly and watching gives me motion sickness>survivalist whines about the pathing constantly and has an insufferable personallity>everyone else is either ESL or complains constantly about the pathing or the meta or anti-meta strats or doesnt talk at all like hoang
>>2426357I'm hoping someone that enjoys doing crazy strats is coaching him. Maybe he is cooking something but doesn't want to publicly show what too early.
>>2426527lewis is chill as fuck wdym
>>2426562Lewis the goat
>>2426357Hera has said he's active in team chat and doing something, but not even they know whatHe is obligated to do at least 10 ladder games but I doubt he'll reveal his hand in those
>>2426527>>everyone else is either ESLYou do fucking realize that 99% of the players in this game 'ESLs'?Dumb American
what's the purpose of the first 10 min of the game almost always being universally the same? there's close to no diversity at all. game should start in feudal
>>2426785Because it's the time where you explore your base and think about how you're going to play according to its layout
>>2426785You're correct, it's a holdover from 25 years ago which should be removed. Absolutely boring waste of time.
>>2426846just start with the area around your base already discovered. look at that, we've inadvertently fixed another boring aspect of the game- circling your scout and sheep around. every fucking game. Good writers' room so far
I thought archer players were degenerate but champi players are a whole new level
>Check out spiffing brits games>Slow as a grandpaHe is actually going to need to find an exploit
>Jabo sitting at a 71.4% win rateTodd Howard's strongest soldier
>>2427022>Loses a bunch of games>Gets put into shitter elo>Wins a bunch because he is playing against people who don't use keyboardWinrate doesn't mean anything if your just beating shitters, it will even out when your playing people at your elo
How are the RoR campaigns? Are they worth a gander?
>>2426982Giving 949 points to Team Lance already put them at #2 in the standings and nets him $200
>>2427085he is required to play 9 more games
>>2427087Score is based on his peak so he could go on a 9-loss streak and it doesn't matterIt would have been perfect if he won the first game but the 949 is already secured
>>2427088True you're right. Seems like an oversight in the rules, his team gets 100 more points than the other two shitters because they dropped straight to 800
>>2427081overall I recommend RoRI liked the three new campaignsI just think it's a shame they started porting over some of the originals(Ascent of Egypt, Glory of Greece, Voices of Babylon, and The First Punic War) to RoR but then gave up halfway through making the DLC with the rest (Yamato Empire of the Rising Sun, The Rise of Rome, Ave Caesar, Imperium Romanum, Enemies of Rome, and Reign of the Hittites) never making it in
>>2427081The new campaigns have AoE II levels of scripting and polish. It's a fun sideshow.The ported campaigns are way too easy even on Hard and are a bare minimum job, they don't even have any voiced outros like in DE. Like anon said, they just abruptly stopped.
>>2427087When he plays and loses another 9 will the team beg him to stop playing or keep trying?
>>2427088Oh fek, nvm. Thats stupid, and so is doing the same for the people whose elo was at 1.5k+ when starting because they played 5 years ago. Should be after first 10 games, but ig too hard for the vibecoding webdev to figure out
>>2427081If you mean the AOE2 exclusive ones, sure. If you mean the AOE1 campaigns, the best way to play them is the original game with the UPatch HD.
>>2425152I exclusively play CBA hero
>>2424357>I'd take an AI sloppa aoe2 viking spleet any day of the week thoughHere, the entire Congo basin was sacrificed for it (they deserved it anyway). How do you even spleet the vikings without upsetting vikingfags? Where do the berserkers and Longships go?
>>2427557you could spleet them into norse and swedes and have the norse keep most of the vikang shit while swedes get the more late medieval stuff like how spanish is technically a goth spleet.
>>2427557>berserkers and LongshipsRegional units, shrimple
>>2427564I feel inclined to the idea of turning Longships into regional units and each spleet civ having a tech/bonus for them, like the Rajas civs and Battle Elephants.
>>2427088>>2427101I imagine they will use the rating at the end of placements for peak as that makes the most sense, that is what aoe insights does.
>>2427557Danes, Norse and Rus, done. All three get longboats and a different flavor of infantry UU with some tech and eco bonus variation.
>>2427557>Longboat as a regional naval unit>Norwegians as a Infantry and Naval civ UU: Berserker>your "generic" viking raider type civ, fast moving HP-regenerating (and with chieftains gold-generating) berserkers that reward aggressive play>Danes as a Infantry and Defensive civ UU: Hirdman>based on the North Sea Empire/Danelaw, flip the script by getting castle bonuses and having Hirdmen as heavily armoured slow moving infantry, rewards a more defensive style>Swedes as a Cavalry and Naval civ UU: Varangian>leans more into the Mercenary/Trader aspects of Viking history and reflects how Swedes were the horse focused culture of the north as far back as the Vendel period, Varangians as a heavily armoured cavalry unit(historically they rode into battle but fought on foot, but having a viking swinging a giant axe from horseback sounds more fun) and they also get bonuses to gold income/trade
>>2427557Keep vikings but rename as NorseVarangians as alternative with more cavalry, less archersBoth get longships, Norse keep Berserks, Varangians get some other infantry UUI don't see any real benefit to having 3 unless you do Balts or Rus (as a greater spleet up of Slavs)
>>2427740As a swede, this sounds kino.
A taste of my own medicine
Just started playing two days ago, and I've won my first few games on easy and standard difficulty by building a wonder. How do i build an economy to sustain a large army and win by conquest? I attempted a win by conquest last night but after four hours stuck in a stalemate I gave up.
this wagamama guy gained like 400 elo just by doing infantry all ins. why can't our thread dalit accomplish as much?
>>2426785They already solved that problem but threw the baby out with the bathwater. It's home city shipments.
>>2425152I've never played a human. There's no point unless you're committed to pouring hundreds of hours in from the start. Even in chess you can spend your beginner days playing against retarded 4 year olds while you learn the game. In RTSs literally everyone is a sweatlord, and you have to be one too.
>>2427828You never let your tc stop making workers. You then make more tcs and never let them stop making workers
>>2427828Do this:>>2427907And make a bunch of production buildings, like 5 Stables if you're going for Cavalry, then produce out of all of them.
>>2425152age of empires multiplayer doesn't exist, everyone here saying they play ranked is LARPingit's all a big lie Microsoft tells the world
>>2427828I consider a good economy to be 130 workers.
I consider a good economy to be opening the chat box typing ninjaconnor and pressing enter.
>>2427828Make vills nonstop, make army nonstop later in the game, get eco and blacksmith upgrades.
>>2427831Cuz he is too much of a bitch to play anything other than the team ladder
Stop replying to yourself it's cringe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSiqXh7NURcI watched this game and I'm wondering why phosphoru didn't send a monk back to convert hera's proxy buildings. was it really not worth doing? hera seemed to think having the range there was a big advantage for him.
some anons here doubted himhe had a plan all along, I'm telling you
>>2429660did anyone find the replays to see what he was doing?
>>2429660Ooh I'm explooitiiiiingggg
>>2429772nothing but Magyar FC UU according to Insights
>>2429852>sudden elo spike put his team in first place out of nowhere, safe from the elimination roundholy basediyouxin and jabo are so fucking dead
>>2429988I honestly thought he was going to be replaced or phone it in. Pleasantly surprised
>>2429988poor deathnote playing 100 games more than the next biggest grinder but getting stuck at 1400.
