Today's TT is gonna suck so hard, /vst/ros

>game will release just fine
>just a couple of days post release to slow the spread of bugs
>February patch will fix the game
>1.2 will fix the game
>1.3 will fix the game (We are here)
>1.4 will fix the game
>...

shit OP
shan't be using this thread

>>2420475
Ok EU4 poster

I think winter king mod would work really well with pops and other eu5 mechanics
Too bad game is already as good as dead and no major overhaul mod will be ever happening

Force limit when?

>>2420502
I just saw the meiou announcement on discord

>decide to just go back to vicky2 after ten year hiatus because eu5 and vicky3 have destroyed all my hope
>It just weeks
>Loads super fast
>The kino music
>The amazing heart of darkness main menu art
Vgh... Home ..... Remember what they stole from us....

>>2420513
>meiou
Wtf are they even going to add?
Even more provinces? Extra unnecessary UI? Taxation per pop unit? Lol

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>>2420519
They could fix the game?

>>2420475
Okay bye

>play flanders
>Play a century
>Have most of the lowlands
>High money
>Moderate army
>Good alliance network
>Everyone is flemish now
Still fucking bored. Even when a game goes fairly well it still feels like fuckall.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-111-open-beta-info-news.1926394/
ITS UP
beta tomorrow, trust the plan

Sorry, I don't understand this idea. How is a simulationist-systems based approach with pops and actual goods with prices being traded around "more like a fantasy game" than literal admin, diplomatic and military mana? Complaints about gameplay being fun or not or one thing but that is unfathomable to me.

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>>2420529
>Hello Everyone and Welcome to a Happy Wednesday. This day marks a special occasion, as we are announcing that patch 1.3 will be going into open beta tomorrow, or next week!

>First, let me start by addressing ongoing customer complaints. We hear you, really- just watch me care.

>On the user interface, the forum had a specific and legitimate grievance: it's too visual. Players described it as "lexically self-destructive" and the visualisation directly undercut its own purpose.

>To pivot into this, the game will now be a text-only experience. This is something many players have been asking for. By embracing text as our primary interface, we're removing barriers between players and the rich tapestry of early modern history. Every campaign will now unfold through an ever-growing collection of reports, memoranda, tax records, diplomatic correspondence, merchant complaints, theological disputes, and increasingly passive-aggressive letters from your estates.

>In addition, the removal of graphics has allowed us to dramatically reduce hardware requirements, and the game should now run performatively on only 32GB of RAM!(results may vary)

>As part of this transition, substantially more localisation is needed, and patch 1.3 will launch with only the Swedish version of the game fully localised. We're reaching out to our community to help be part of this transition! You can now directly contribute to Europa Universalis V - just add the correct localisation to the sharepoint file here for your respective language. Thank you very much in advance!

>In order to boost this effort and community engagement, @PDX_Ryagi will start a streaming challenge starting tomorrow! Everytime EU5 player numbers dip below those of another game in the series, we will flood the office basement (where he lives) a little more. Let's hope those numbers stay up, because Ryagi sure won't! Watch him on stream and be sure to play along!

Weird Tinto Talk desu, I think Johan might be losing it

>>2420531
@grok change "blobcuck tears" into "bantu semen".

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>>2420531
This doesn't have any em dashes, clearly not "written" by Tinto.

>>2420531
Ah yes, the most urgent of issues, the UI

>>2420530
Who are you responding to?

>Starting in 1.3, Achievements will be able to be unlocked in any single-player game, including non-Ironman saves and modded/launch-option games, aligning EU5 with other Paradox Titles such as Imperator/CK3/Victoria 3. We’re confident in making this change due to a majority of player feedback since release.
Is Johan okay?

>>2420531
>To pivot into this, the game will now be a text-only experience. This is something many players have been asking for. By embracing text as our primary interface, we're removing barriers between players and the rich tapestry of early modern history. Every campaign will now unfold through an ever-growing collection of reports, memoranda, tax records, diplomatic correspondence, merchant complaints, theological disputes, and increasingly passive-aggressive letters from your estates.
My life goal is actually to make a game just like this where you have no fucking idea what's going on because as the king the documents being given to you are deeply biased and more often than not wrong. You're trying to balance the estates and deal with wars and rebellions all while having no fucking idea what's going on and the only people who are real with you are enemy kings at the treaty table, afraid for their life because they assume you are about to have them executed.
>>2420543
Yes

>>2420546
They killed Johan confirmed

It's gonna be a shame that every single steam achievement for eu5 won't be gold for being near impossible on my profile where I display my crazy chievos but it'll be nice to be able to go into my subject and assign major government reforms that they neglect to click without automatically invalidating achievements.

>>2420546
Johan is offering up one of his golden calves as sacrifice. They know just how bad they've fucked up and are afraid.

>>2420543
c'mon bro the UI fucking sucks
most of us ITT use that fucking glorp mod

>>2420540
inb4 horde of redditors "EMDASHES DO NOT MEAN AI!!!" with 30000 upvotes and then the OP in the reddit thread says
>When I do this - That's not AI!!!
and everyone claps even though a minus isn't the same thing as an emdash and nobody has an emdash on their keyboard

ESL here, have been writing in english for decades now
I had no idea em dashes were a thing before AI text generation became a thing
Literally only AI uses them
t. avid chatbot user

>>2420555
Don't worry, we know, NPCs don't though because they're lesser than bots and third worlders and they've never had a single solitary thought in their skull.
Imagine if you will that the dominant world powers right now have a serious issue with 90% of their population only pretending to be human. They walk around and recite lines they hear from real humans all day long and go to their "jobs" where they pretend to work while around 10% of the population defines the entire global order not knowing this is going on at all. These creatures have never had a single critical thought in their skulls.
Johan included.

>>2420546
Let this be a forever reminder that insistent complaining about shit works in the long run.

>>2420555
Every now and then you see some older Millenial/Gen X aged academic go on about how they've been using em dashes their entire lives and aren't going to lay down and let AI take this away from us; I always find it sad. It's like a church putting up a huge rainbow flag because they don't want to let the gays take it away from God. They don't understand that just because they're the center of their own lives, they're still insignificant strangers to practically everyone. I don't know you, I don't care to learn what battles you're fighting. When I drive past their church (see their reddit comment) I passively take in the information, categorize them as not worth paying attention to, and move on without sparing another thought. Nice trips

>>2420546
Good, fucking hate ironman.

>this thread is dominated by people who don't read anything on the academical level
huh

I can't tell what is actually different about these situations other than the UI. Also am I retarded or was the Bulgarian disaster not mentioned

>>2420583
>Erm actually if you read academic journals written in microsoft fucking word where typing dash twice writes an emdash that means that you would also know that code written in sublime and journals typed up on the forums would also have emdashes for.... REASONS! This means that you are not college educated! Rural and Suburban retards voted for Trump, city people all voted for Hillary!!!
You are brown.

just type alt+0151 on the numpad — chud

>>2420597
>But anon newfags CAN triforce!
Honestly the craziest argument you could've possibly made. Unfortunately there are tens of thousands of personal testimonials against this though.

>>2420583
>a single person in this thread is incapable of knowing whether he's reading an academic paper, a novel, or a reddit comment

>>2420601
um, i'm not >>2420583

>>2420583
>academical

>>2420622
I didn't even notice that particular brownism, my eyes just glazed over it. Good catch anon.

>>2420623
>I didn't even notice that particular brownism, my eyes just glazed over it
Maybe if you were more educated, chud

>>2420589
>Hillary
Man half the people here were ten years old when she was last a candidate for anything.

>>2420632
Frogs were already old and busted memes a decade ago but people just keep posting.

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>>2420529
In a hilariously Tinto move, I'd say all the important bits of the TT are in the "Known issues list."

>Localization still isn't done
This doesn't effect me so whatever, but it's still wildly unprofessional to say the unfinished localizations from 1.2 (and the paid DLC) won't be done until 1.3 is finished.
>Performance still isn't better and we're not even gonna pretend
EU5 was clearly built to be a game that is worked on (and sold) over a decade, so it makes sense they planned on consumer hardware to catch up to it over years. This does make them a victim of the AI datacenter price hikes on consumer electronics. But the real problem is that they made the game so bare and clearly unfinished at launch that it may go full I:R and not get the time to improve.
>Imperial Circles technically exist but probably don't have any real interaction yet
Just like the bureaucracies they added in 1.2. See above, the game is so bad right now that these mechanics may never get the time they need to become good. Modders may like them, but will people be working on big mods that use them? The problem with making everything in the game a "good foundation to build on" is that it's still not good. How many big mods does Starfield have?
>Italian Wars balance is improved but numbers may be retarded
This one I don't have shit to give them. Tuning the numbers for new additions IS what a beta should be for. But I will give them shit for when they inevitably buff or nerf multiple numbers by 10x because their initial balance is wildly off.
>Johan has bent the knee and permitted the plebs to earn cheevos while using Glorp UI
Good. This feels like the bologna you use to get your dog to eat a pill; or a break in case of emergency. People are cheering for this instead of criticizing the rest, which means it's working, but they don't get to play that card again.

>>2420583
Had a good chuckle seeing you try to troll as intelligent but still fuck up and write >academical
3/10 apply yourself

>>2420658
>EU5 was clearly built to be a game that is worked on (and sold) over a decade, so it makes sense they planned on consumer hardware to catch up to it over years.
The current best CPU for Paradox games (9800x3d) still has two second long lag on monthly ticks.
It also doesn't seem like they'll be a better CPU than that for Paradox games for some time. All future x3d cards so far have only had full L3 cache on half of their cores, not all of their cores like the 9800x3d.

Has anyone rediscovered Greek fire while playing Byz? How do you do it?

I don't think Georgia or Trebizond should have proximity bonuses in mountains/hills/plateaus because they never really expanded and definitely didn't directly rule the mountains especially directly, especially Trebizond. Georgia always had vassals in the more mountainous parts.

>>2420550
>on my profile where I display my crazy chievos
are you gay? who cares about that

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I view all achievements in every grand strategy game as a sort of aid for disabled people.
The rational, thinking, intellectual mind doesn't need to be told what to do or how to play the game. He sets his own goals and follows them. He plays grand strategy to do something HE wants to do.
The subhuman brown blobber NPC horde needs to be told to waste hours of his life completing an arbitrary and artificial goal based on a pun, he then claps, leaves a positive review on steam, and goes back to gooning to sissy hypno.

>>2420816
Look I like being able to put my good king rene achievement on my profile so that when I join a multiplayer eu4 lobby and somebody is snooping my steam profile they know to show some damn respect, there's nothing more to it than that.

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>>2420818
Which of these are you?

>>2420474
>game will release just fine
it released mostly fine
>just a couple of days post release to slow the spread of bugs
the first couple days solved a lot of the bugs
>February patch will fix the game
it fixed a lot of the game's issues
>1.2 will fix the game
it fixed a lot of the game's issues
>1.3 will fix the game (We are here)
it's going to fix a lot of the game's issues
>1.4 will fix the game
it will completely fix the game

>>2420514
>music
>loading times
>main menu art
of course you're not mentioning the actual gameplay cause it was garbage

>>2420826
This is the craziest cope i've ever read here.

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>>2420514
>16 year old game loads fast on modern cpus
Incredible revelation, anon.
Also
>The amazing heart of darkness main menu art
Never liked the HoD art. Always loved the train though and I'm not even a train autist.

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>>2420642
Frogposters have been here for almost 20 years and we'll still be here in 20 years from now.

difference is it was relevant 20 years ago

>noreply poster talking about relevant posting trends
physician heal thyself

>>2420826
Hi johan

>>2420826
Correct

>Our vision for the Guelphs and Ghibellines was and remains, to be not solely about direct acquisition of land, but to play with the factional International Organizations and an opportunistic switching of allegiances when necessary.

>We want the Situation to provide plenty of opportunity to go to war with the Force Faction Casus Belli, and bolster their faction's progress with that. Of course direct conquest should not be fully discouraged and is an important part of the Italian gameplay as well. With our changes to the Guelphs and Ghibellines in 1.3, we want to introduce more consequences of acting both in your faction's favor and against it. Conflict within a faction should come to the detriment of your shared goals, while acting against common foes will speed up your progress to victory. In addition to that, we also wanted to breathe more life into the factional allegiance around players and create a good pace for AI countries to switch sides and re-draw the factional lines within Italy.

>And last but not least, becoming the Leader of either the Guelphs or the Ghibellines should come with a lasting impact and reward on the country itself, instead of only affecting the membership within the Holy Roman Empire.
Is this AI? Because it feels completely insincere

>>2420997
idk would be nice if trade made more than 0 ducats as any italian nation other than genoa and venice though. Who gives a single flying fuck about guelphs and ghibellines when like 4 core systems aren't working right that are vital to playing in italy (Mercenaries, Trade, Goods not going to warehouses of any kind and then being solved directly to market when it would be better to keep them in the province, Crown estate being retarded)

>>2420997
Every single paragraph in Tinto Talks always directly contradicts itself.
>not solely about direct acquisition of land
>Of course direct conquest should not be fully discouraged
This way they can deliver literally anything and say it's in line with "their vision" "as depicted in the tintotalks".
Tomorrow if Italians CAN'T conquer other states the paradrones will say that's WAD. If Italians CAN conquer other states then paradrones will say that's WAD.

I suppose this is the price we pay for ESL devs communicating to us through the medium of LLM.

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Maybe 1.4 will fix eu5 .....

>>2420826
I had plenty of fun on release, it went downhill since there. Other than that, bad cope, most patches were outright downgrades were they changed things that didn't need to, added things that nobody wanted and they always created new issues.

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>>2420658
>The devs do make allot of mistakes and weird choices but they do seem to listen which is better than allot of other games

The Golden Horde is the most stable failure of a country I've ever seen in one of these games. I've been watching them in every game I've played since the game released and it's always the same.

>Constantly in wars where their enemies occupy massive chunks of their land
>Wars eventually end with the successful enemies taking zero land from the horde
>Constant rival warlord rebellions
>The rebellions just end with the Golden Horde reforming and continuing unimpacted

It's so weird. It's like every time an AI country has the Golden Horde over a barrel and is moments away from killing them, they help them up, give them a pat on the shoulder, and say "never mind, buddy. You're good." And everything just continues as it was.

>>2421090
They use rebelling warlords as a decentralised defense strategy. You can never take land from the golden horde if the province you got a claim on switched to rebels and their capital is in central asia on the other side of 5 rebels.

>>2421090
Did you play with the current patch?
Since 1.2 they always fracture into multiple nations before 1400.
At least they did in the 10-15 runs I did.

>>2421090
Hordes don't collapse all the time because the collapse event can't happen if they're at war. So what happens is they get wiped in a war, but the AI doesn't peace out and just sieges the steppe. And by the time they peace out, their levies have returned, and they raise them again, so they have troops now and don't collapse.

I just railroaded them into splintering if they recently lost a war with x negative warscore

>>2421101
That's absolutely not true. They survive into the 1500s at least in the current patch just fine.

In retrospect 1.3 saved the game

Who are we playing tomorrow bros?

>>2421142
aquileia

>>2421142
Naples and blobbing all over Italy and the Balkans.

do merc pops being killed in wars really not affect availability of companies?

>Unified Artist Court — Artists are now characters with passive modifiers;
Oh, so now we can look forward to the hundreds of artists in your country for no reason giving you -10 tax efficiency dozens of times.

>hundreds of artists in your country
You have never played the game.

>hundreds of artists in your country
You have played the game

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Okay, now that we've had the mandatory 80 shitposts by thirdies who are still butthurt that they can't run this game, everyone post your
>tag
>year
>campaign goals

nobody is playing yet, retard
we all finished up our games before 1.3 tomorrow

>>2421169
Aragon
1337
>ally Portugal and Castile to keep peace in Iberia forever
>try to get a personal union with Castile, and Naples
>eventually form Spain diplomatically
>colonize all historical Spanish colonies, even if I can't PU castile and form Spain
If I do manage to form Spain I'm going all in on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empresa_de_China

>>2420546
Finally some fucking good news coming from this dumpster fire of a game.

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i sure love the believable alt history world where genoese florida is simply called mayaca instead of literally anything italian. i swear they just didnt play the game past 1500, this shit is so immersion breaking.

>>2421189
Alabama, Iowa and Kansas are named after native tribes that lived there.
Mayaca is the tribe that lived in Florida.
I recommend educating yourself so you can immerse yourself better.

>>2421189
1.4 will fix colony names.

>>2421189
>"Holy Aegyptian Empire"
>instead of literally anything italian

So what happened with the forum megathread about UI feedback?
Is tinto just going to straight up ignore it?