>>2424024
>10 fps in cutscenes
>that UI

Who asked for this? The original works just fine on a potato, and CoH2 is more popular anyway.

>>2424122
popular doesnt mean better

>>2424114
That would be 45$ plus tip

>>2415102

>>2424122
looks ugly

>>2424024
>WAAAH EVERYTHING IS GOING TO SUCK EVERYTHING SUCKS WAAAH

Just kill yourself already and spare us your whining.

>>2424024
It was only a matter of time after Dawn of War's Definitive Edition release so hooray I guess?

I do appreciate the addition of vehicle reversing and auto-reinforcing though. Kinda wish they'd added TrueSight and vaulting obstacles as well since having your infantry unable to clear a measly fence and have to walk all the way around was always incredibly annoying and having the environment play a key role in how much you could see was a pretty nice way of making tactics matter.

I love CoH but I don't see the point in a remaster that adds no content

>>2424300
It's going to be less annoying to play and multiplayer will be alive again for a while. And hopefully they'll actually ban cheaters.

Kinda wanna see the "coh1 was the best at everything" crowd tackle a Brit simcity

how does the US play in coh1? i played coh2 and love their style in it, and didnt like how coh3 US plays and i hear coh1 US is close to coh3.

>>2424311
>Invincible tanks that keep receiving critical damage instead of dying

>>2424312
CoH1 US is basically CoH3 US but with less options

>>2424024
What do you mean they are adding auto reinforce? Do CoH3 fags not have to reinforce their models or something? Reverse is better but auto reinforce is stupid.

>>2424356
Auto-reinforce means that when your squad is in the vicinity of a reinforcement point it reinforces them without the player having to manually click the reinforce button however many times you need to bring said squad back to full strength. You can disable this in COH3 and go back to manually reinforcing if you wish but it's nice to have the option regardless.

>>2424300
Replaying the Bong campaign with no bugs is still balls to the wall.

The OG campaign is also kino.

Relic is desperate. They were just selling CoH1 on sale with all their games. I'm sure they will delist that soon as this drops. CoH1 runs fine. People still are playing games too. I was watching the trailer and it doesn't look much better. The same choppy cutscenes. The campaign gets boring, you will want to play skirmish right away or get into multiplayer.

>>2424024
>As well as auto reinforce dumbing the game down
Dumbing down how? Sounds like a nice feature, actually.

>I can't believe they casualties the game through auto reinforce!
>*Plays skirmish and campaign only*

>>2424392
huh?

>>2424372
It's the same deal as DOW's Definitive Edition, visuals look slightly more polished but more important is whether they are gonna fix bugs in the original game like the one in the base game with V1 rocket strikes where even destroying the radio tower wouldn't stop the AI from calling it in on your ass. Or how absurdly OP Panzer Grenadiers were to the extent that you could wipe out entire armies with a big blob of PGs.

>>2424024
I wonder how Relic is gonna fuck up the balance this time. With DOW I remember them massively nerfing Space Marines early on and making the Imperial Guard ridiculously overpowered (plus nerfing Necrons which is still the case) to address complaints with the original so I fully expect them to nerf the fuck outta Panzer Elite and the British here while giving Wehrmacht and the Americans absolutely ridiculous buffs.

>>2424465
CoH1 does not need game balance rot from CoH3. You Starcraft fags need to stop "balancing" every game. Learn to play and stop being bad. Accept the fact that some factions are less than others in games.

>>2424702
>wehrmacht and americans
>stug spam and ranger blobs
no, no please, i don't want to go back

>>2424702
>>2424777
Yeah chud! It's already perfectly balanced that axis tanks and MGs are superior in every way! It's also balanced they can buy veterancy while you have to earn it!

>>2424791
life isn't fair, I know your mom never taught you this important lesson.. but it's the truth. The best games in history are not balanced. Coh3 is shit and nobody wants to play it because it's this e-sports turd.

>>2424793
I accept your concession.

>>2424803
No concession you jus tare a retard who sucks at RTS games. Go back to play CoH3 with your auto reinforce... fucking noob

>>2424122
If it was free for existing owners, it makes sense as a way to revitalize the multiplayer. If they keep the same level of mod tools but update them for modern software workflows, I would actually pay full price.

>>2424312
Yeah, US in 3 is deliberately similar to US in 1, to wash the taste of 2's US out of player's mouths.

>>2424803
Stop talking to the Argentinian/Vietnamese/Russian, they have a busy schedule of leaving bitter comments on CoH3 replays.

It's weird seeing a franchise like CoH go from kino singleplayer campaigns and skirmishes to full blown MPniggery sweatlords taking over the franchise.

>>2424791
Correct.

>>2424825
Oh, my bad. We really need national flag tags on all boards to prevent wasting time.

>>2424311
>Stukas and Gren spam
>Hummels and Panthers
Gone
Best thing about this is that it will revitalize the modding scene, Eastern Front and Blitzkrieg were always limited by RAM issues.

>>2424122
This is because CoH3 is a wet fart, they got bought and then rebought themselves and they lost DoW a long time ago. The studio probably needs a cash injection if they want to live much longer.

Still say they should put CoH3 into end of life care and shift CoH to the Cold War before people fully burn out on Eugen games.

>>2425053
>Still say they should put CoH3 into end of life care
They're clearly making more than enough money considering that they're churning out DLCs

>>2424839
Skirmishes are only kino when you're a child and AI still gives you trouble

>>2425111
commanders aren't really what we consider DLC these days.

>>2425142
>Nu uh it doesn't count
Okay then

>>2424024
is the choppy cutscene hard coded in the backend? why does it couldnt be fixed?

>>2425195
Their PR guy said that they are still working on graphical improvements so maybe they just haven’t gotten to fixing cutscene framerate yet.

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>relic Karen here

>>2424024
will this work with existing mods?
i just want to play bk skirmish vs ai, suck it pvpfags

>>2425547
No because Relic doesn't want competition. They want to sell DLC and resell the game

>>2425547
Already said it will. Ignore the other anon, he is a mentally ill tranny whose whore of a mom should have spat him out onto the floor of the barn he was conceived in.

>>2425681
You are a faggot and liar. Coh3 doesn't even have mod support. Keep shilling for a garbage ass company. You will be out of the job and replaced by AI soon enough.

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>>2425683

>>2425707
>shartyshit
Fitting for a CoH2 faggot that got into the franchise with Youtube meme compilations

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>>2425726
lol u mad bro?

>>2425821
CoH3 won

>>2425830
the shittiest coh game award, yes.

Do you think they remaster 2 as well?

>>2425861
doubt, vanilla coh2 was vastly different game than current coh2. plus coh2 held up decently enough, i dont think theres any need to remaster the game

>>2425861
DoW 2 hell yea I hope so

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>>2425683
>>2425707
>Stupid faggot posting dumb bullshit and then samefag cheerleading for himself

I bet everyone you know absolutely loathes you

>>2425861
Why? It sucks shit

I really am not sure who is in charge at relic, someone who just enjoys burning money I guess because it took me all of 40 seconds to go on google and open 3 tabs, each one showing the player count of all three games. Instantly you can see that out of the three installments that COH 2 just blows the other 2 out of the water in the "All Time Peak" category. Even to this day, COH 2 still has a similar active player count to the *New* COH 3.

COH 2 takes everything good about COH 1 and improves or builds on it. The game just feels like whoever made it took their time and made sure to pour their heart into the project. The sounds of destruction and artillery barrages sounds realistic and terrifying.

Then we arrive at COH 3 which takes everything from COH 1 and COH 2 and just throws it in the garbage. We went from playing a RTS WW II simulator to playing a WW II arcade game....The voice actors and their writing is bland and repetitive, all the sounds ranging from machine guns to tanks sound fake and almost cartoonish. The Infantry units are like storm troopers with how they aim, its like watching paint dry with how long it takes for stuff to die.

I guess my point is or concern, is that they will just take what they did with COH 3 and apply it to this remake of COH 1. Although there is some hope, being that the game is only meant for PC and not cross-platform...THANK GOD! And that I don't understand what the developers have against COH 2!

>>2424465
Balance-niggers get the rope.
Nobody likes them.
They hate each other too, because every balance-nigger has their own retarded take on what is considered "balanced".
Worse aspect of gayming by a long shot.

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>>2426182
>muh all time peak
You checked player stats hoping to see coh2 on top but when you say coh3 having twice the monthly average players you had to pick some irrelevant metric as "proof" of CoH2 being the "better" game, didn't you?

>>2426228
Embarrassing that Company of Heroes 3 is so low in players by comparison. You make your own argument look stupid.

>>2426230
You can’t read can you?

>>2426230
cope

>>2426182
>COH 2 takes everything good about COH 1 and improves or builds on it.
You've never played CoH1

>>2426182
except this isnt a remake lol its a remaster at best a re-release at worst.

>>2426242
seethe

>>2426359
I remember when CoH2 launched and it was the pariah game because it was objectively shit. Now it's good but CoH1 hardliners will never admit it.
Same thing with CoH3. Shit at launch, really good now minus, like, monetisation and balance depending on who you ask, but those stuck on CoH1 and CoH2 will never admit that.

All 3 CoHs are basically the same in the grand scheme of RTS games, I wish more people saw that instead of endlessly campaigning for the supremacy of whichever game they played first.

>>2426520
They are not the same though. CoH1 and 2 are similar while 3 is an outlier and no longer as much of a tactical RTS

>>2426530
You keep repeating that, it doesn't make it true.

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>>2426242
>>2426474
the average 4chan post

>>2424376
That said I'm still baffled at how in 2026 coh3 autoreinforce is still buggy and ahit
We had auto reinforce that doesnt queue up a huge manpower drain in dawn of war (right-click) and in coh3 it just mass spams orders to kill all your immediate MP
OR it straight up doesn't work
What's up with that

>>2426520
>Shit at launch, really good now

It isn't. It has the potential to if Relic commits to fixing its multitude of problems with bugs, optimization, audio, VFX and even basic stuff like snipers not targeting gunners for some bizarre reason thus making them completely useless in breaking suppression traps but it's not right now.

And the reason that COH2 and COH3 end up being shat on is because Relic seems incapable to retaining the good things they did in previous games and transferring them to the new ones. So you end up with them introducing some nice new features but completely removing or messing up ones that were there previously.

>>2425867
>Rebindable keys
>Better tank pathing
>modern QoL controls that coh3 has
>Less blurry graphics
>Reintroduce a complete game without the retardedly bad unlocks and maybe trim half the redundant commanders
>New stories
>Better coop scenarios that aren't literally "base multiplayer but with less/shittier options"
They could and can do a ton
They could do alot

>>2426230
RTS having big numbers in 2026 will always be an anomaly

>>2426520
>All 3 CoHs are basically the same
You're a tard

>>2426703
Yeah I feel like the amount of maps that can easily just devolve into locking down people with an lmg is awful
And mortars are really awful at dislodging machine guns

>>2424024
Won't buy this but will probably torrent it when it's out. Already downloaded the latest version of the Dawn of War remaster which is pretty fun so looking forward to adding this one as well. Haven't played the originals since moving out of my parents' home as a teenager so it brought back some memories. Admittedly I don't recall Necrons sucking quite so hard in the original DOW as they do in the Definitive Edition.

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>>2426723
Thanks for letting us know.

This guy is an autist who plays video games >>2426723
This guy is an autist who was banned on reddit and did not understand why >>2426733
They are not the same.

Why is the camera always so close to the ground in all coh games? Mods to fix this that don't break mp?

Reminder that casuals don't belong in RTS. They made CoH3 a game for casual noobs and that's why it sucks.

Auto-reinforce = noobs that don't know how to micro

>>2426941
>>2426947
Post rank

>>2424024
Wonder if Relic is gonna add any new maps in the DE? They did for Dawn of War although those were just community maps that they polished and optimized.

Why does COH2 look like a cartoony mobile game compared to 1?

>>2424024
>dawn of war definitive edition was announced in may and released in august of last year
>company of heroes definitive edition gets announced in june
so I predict that it's gonna be released sometime in september

can you really not focus a unit in coh2 by double pressing its assigned number?
is this a joke??

>play coh2
>have to buy all the good commanders separately
lol wtf? THIS is the best coh according to you faggots? absolutely delusional lmaooo

>>2424365
this. all campaigns/singleplayer in coh1 is legit good. worth the buy if they didn't fuck up.

multiplayer-wise they sure as shit won't fix the broken group buff crap thats basically ingrained by design for PE / CW
but i hope they fix the stag that instantly suppress + never needing to reload, also the m10 bug that occasionally doesn't fire, hummels that randomly won't fire after deployment (forcing resetup...)

>>2428066
>multiplayer-wise they sure as shit won't fix the broken group buff crap thats basically ingrained by design for PE / CW

yeah if anything they'll make it even worse like how the tau and imperial guard are completely broken in dow de

>>2427535
I've been told that this is a feature for coh3 casualbabs

>>2426947
Also they should increase reinforce time by 10x and add a free unit that speeds up reinforcing by 10x for 10 seconds (free, 15 second cooldown). Also halve manpower gain but add an ability to HQ that doubles your manpower gain for 15 seconds (free, 20 second cooldown). This way we prove that our game is not for noobs

>>2424024
>they will remove wullf as a voice actor for the germans

>>2431175
Also I'm gay by the way

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>>2424024
I hope this release means they will finally fix modding/let us mod. It's a real damn shame we don't have a Fallout or Killzone total conversion mod. Yeah MOW exists but it's too... heavy (imo) for an arcady series like Fallout to make sense, it's better suited for scifi like Killzone.

>>2424024
Will the remaster include all the DLCs (i think DOW did this?)

>>2433215
I’m more interested in how this will affect the devs of the Eastern Front mod. I know that Unification got updated to work with Dawn of War DE, wonder if the EF crew will do the same.

>>2427423
youve never played mobile game

>>2433247
I for one would like to see more development on FEW, not enough sino-japanese war games out there.

>>2433218
The steam version already does so yeah

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>>2424024
will i automatically gets kicked out from every multiplayer server for a having shitty win loss rate in this remaster too lol

>>2424821
>and they lost DoW a long time ago
I had no idea DoW4 was not being made by Relic. They must be in a really tough spot right now

>>2433284
Yes but you will have approximately 4 month where automatch kinda works. Unless it's bugged.

>>2433292
yeah alright, kinda wish i had a friend that enjoys this game, i stopped playing coh mp because i literally gets kicked out of every game lmao

>>2433293
If I buy the remaster I'll play with you anon

>>2433288
I had no idea Relic was still in business

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>>2433293
>>2433338
you guys wanna play sometime maybe?

>>2433747
CoH1 DE or CoH3?
Either way I can play a couple of games in the weekends

speaking of COH and playing
anyone interested in the COH board game? playable online via Tabletop Simulator. the rules seem pretty good, and not too complicated.

>>2433215
I just want the fucking Modern Combat mod back man. That shit was amazing.

>>2426941
I don't see how it's any more casual than the other 2 games. All of them are low APM blobfests. Not that I mind, favorite RTS series.
>>2426947
Auto-Reinforce actually raises the skill ceiling, because knowing when to turn it off is important. Keeping it on all the time is a deliberate trap, same with auto-build.

>Abandon coh3 a year ago
>Play coh2 recently
>It’s fun

What went wrong? Serious answers

>>2436085
Your mom didn't love you enough and you grew into a contrarian faggot

>>2433747
I only compstomp with my buddies, so if you're into that shit, welcome aboard.

>>2436125
>Snorestomping

>>2436125
sign me up

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>>2436085
2 is good, simple as.

>>2436250
Congrats on being part of the 2% that plays competitive multiplayer, I guess.
>>2436302
As soon as the Definitive Edition releases, I'll make the general thread and drop my Steam ID

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>>2436486
we are counting on you

>>2436345
2 starts lagging after 20 minutes because of the engine and becomes a slideshow at 40 minutes. 3 has fixed this

>>2437948
works on my machine

>>2437952
I guess if you play with 15fps to begin with you won't notice the difference

>>2437992
This nigga mad that other anons have much better performance than him. LMAO

Is DE going to be another AI slop with updated UI just like DoW?

>>2438646
No it will be amazing like AoE2 DE, trust.

>>2438651
AoE2 DE had broken pathfinding for the first 10 years

>>2438737
Pathfinding in aoe2 is an excuse that shitters constantly use for their poor unit control.

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>>2438783
Yeah, pathfinding is perfectly fine

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>>2438783
>>2438864

>>2424024
I wonder if Relic is gonna end up doing definitive editions for Dawn of War 2 and Company of Heroes 2 as well. DOW2 could benefit from one that makes it less MOBA-ish and more like a proper RTS but I doubt Relic would ever go that far.

>>2438864
>>2438876
Skill issue, just micro better. Anyway the game is still wildly popular and appreciated. Even if two engineers bump into each other like retards when given a string wire order it will be good.

hope they add reversing to AT gun as well, lost a lot of my AT due to them cant reverse for shit

>>2424024
COH3 is basically COH1 remastered/mobile
fuck relic
absolute fucking clowns

>>2426228
COH3 only goes up above 1200 players when they release some new scam DLC or sale, the game goes on sale like ever 6 weeks LMAO
then after 2-3 weeks it sinks back down to about 600-800 more players than COH2
and that is only something that's happened in the past 6 months
for its entirety before that, COH2 had more players

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC

>>2426707
AOE4 was released in the 'death era' of RTS and has like 4x the player count of COH3

>>2442074
>It's only got more players because they're releasing new content so it doesn't count
Holy cope

>>2433747
>>2433338
The Schedlt, 3v3, Anihhilation
lets

>>2424300
QoL improvements like WASD camera movement and a dedidcated vehicle back up button.

>>2424311
CoH2 babies are hilariously casual

>>2427423
Terrible textures and SFX quality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I52fp--5Rpk
>new standalone COH wave defence thing
how am i supposed to feel about this?

>>2424024
Still insane to me how they wanted to make a theater specific game North Africa and Italy and almost all the post launch content is shit that never even fought in Africa/Italy. Just turned into generic western front shit.

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Yeah Final Stand is gonna save CoH.

>>2442320
what does that have to do with coh1?

>>2442535
this concept isnt new in CoH, Operation Stonewall is a thing

>>2448669
They did this to avoid having to add soviets due to current political agendas.

>>2450111
why would they want to add soviet in a game about western/north african/italian front lol

>>2450140
>why did they cripple their game focusing on a time and faction limited front?

>>2450111

>>2448710
I think it should help the game. Perfect for casuals. $30 might be too expensive for the content it offers though. Also, $60 for the base game is way to much after 3 years with the poor reception. They need to lower the price so people that like final stand buy the base game. My Bro who is a MOBA fag is going to play Final stand with me. He has plenty of money but no way he will pay $60 for the base game even if he likes it. He might at a lower price.

>>2453143
trvke

>>2426520
>endlessly campaigning for the supremacy of whichever game they played first
This is a problem with RTS fanbases in general.
I was 18 when CoH launched and played over 1000 hours in every part and "OLD GOOD NEW BAD" was always nostalgia mostly backed by autism

>>2455038
I played CoH1 on launch and loved it. I played CoH2 on launch and it was shit, because their freezing mechanic was terrible. Once they removed that and fixed it up it was better than 1.

3 is shit.

>>2424024
It's odd to me that there's been next to no news about this remaster since the reveal trailer. Dawn of War Definitive Edition by comparison had several trailers and articles out shortly after its reveal. By Relic's own admission they aren't changing things all that much so what's with the secrecy?

>>2455058
3 is the only one that isn't super laggy like the others

>>2455542
works on my machine

>>2455152
They're focusing on final stand, after that's been out a week or two you will hear about definitive ed.

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hory sheit I think Relic might actually be doing something worthwhile with the game for once instead of just endless paid dlcs
>campaign getting updates
>map and weather system changes
here's hoping they introduce weather effects like blizzard and sandstorm and being able to deform terrain like in coh1
recent deep dive also seemed promising, they are finally doing something about blobbing

>>2455636
>coh1de coming in september
Fucking called it kek

If I just wanted to play some campaign sp; give 3 a chance or reinstall 1?

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>>2424024
I suspect it will break all my mods and I would have to start over again.

>>2455636
so theyre gonna release coh de on september, is what ive gathered from this roadmap

Won't be able to play until the weekend, how's the patch looking CoH3 bros?

>>2459551
>cover is slightly more effective now instead of being destroyed too easily
>suppression now has a bigger impact and recovery from it takes slightly longer than usual
>dak now has an optional upgrade which allows one of their base buildings to heal infantry
>battlegroup selection is now easier and in vs. ai matches you can now make it so that the ai only has one battlegroup to pick from instead of 3
>two new maps and some of the older maps got an overhaul

Also Final Stand is overly expensive garbage that has awful reviews and almost everyone recommending against buying it. I wouldn't be surprised if Relic gives up after several months and just ends up folding it into the base game as it should have been all along.

Relic should have given me a key for final stand

Are there any mods for coh3 like blitzkrieg

>>2459556
If Final Stand was a free game mode, it'd be alright. Not amazing, but it'd at least be a way to breath some life into the game to compensate for the fact they did fuck all to support modding.

Instead they're charging 30 bucks for what is obviously just leaning on roguelite bullshit to compensate for having nothing new inside. Just play the Horde Defense mod on CoH2 because it actually puts in more effort to bringing new stuff to the table and can be played with more than one other person, even if it sucks that you can only play Germans.

>>2455058
I wish there had been a separate Blizzard queue you could load into. It was too soulful for some people.

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Final Stand is fun. I see a lot of trannies whinging but they are all COH2 niggers or deluded schizos whining about it being expensive despite the 20% discount you get for owning coh 3

>>2459722
20 bucks, not 30

>>2459894
I think I'm gonna buy it just so I can form my own opinions on it, but it looks kinda simple? Like wow I pick infantry and then wait behind sandbags as the enemy suicides into me? Doesn't look as good as DoW2's last stand even.

>don't buy final stand
>there's still a giant "FINAL STAND" button advertising the game to me
>keep accidently clicking on it as its where multiplayer was
Thanks I hate it.

I'm addicted to spamming coastals and bunkers

>>2460827
>comfy playstyle
>dabs on ultrashitters and makes them seethe
>isn even OP, so you can play it guilt free
Every now and then I like to search "bunker spam" on the coh reddit just to mine salt.

>>2436085
People were mad at how they handled DLC especially paying for commanders. Other than that the game was great. I guess people needed CoH3 to see it.

>>2461075
With a mountain of ways to counter emplacements and bunkers you always know a shitter if he complains about them

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>>2460827
obice, my beloved

>>2461363
How did the italians lose with 2020s era precision guided munitions...

>>2425867
I still say the Elbe Day update was the best CoH2 was. Beta was kind of poor for balance but all the incremental updates the game went through put it in a really good place at that time, but four months late the WFA came out and fucked everything up again.

Balancing for straight Ostheer vs Soviets was the best way to handle it, Relic fucked up when they released USF and OKW and then had to go back and update the first two armies to remain competitive against them, and I say that as someone who loved USF's design of vehicle crews and weapon racks. I would've rather had Soviets vs Ostheer sectioned off from USF/UKF and OKW just to not fuck with a good thing.

>>2433284
>Be noob, literal third game playing CoH1
>Playing 2v2, get matched with a clearly superior teammate
>Trying and losing battles on my side because I just don't know much about the game yet, like how deadly close range units are and how to counter MGs
>Teammate is absolutely crushing his half of the map and part of my side as well
>15 minutes in, he calls a full retreat back to his base, tells the enemy team in all chat his teammate sucks and he's literally fighting them back 2v1 and he's not going to give a win to this guy

Like fucking explain what I'm doing wrong or something then, I can't help automatch pairs me with you when there's only like 20 people still playing the game.

>>2459725
Blizzards were neat, but they really didn't help competitive play at all. Blizzards would hit and all infantry would just stop moving and huddle around bonfires, or someone would go heavy into mech and just have a ton of halftracks and scout cars carry everyone around. There never was really a time when people were using them strategically to set up ambushes or build fortifications or lay mines, it always just turned into 60 seconds of waiting or SMG/assault rifle+transport spam. Could've been a lot better with certain units immune to the cold or just debuffed by it instead of killed.

>>2462157
I still remember my first coh1 game when I was a wee lad.
>queue 2v2 because 1v1 is scary
>"hey are you new" teammate asks
>"yes"
>immediately all-chats: "great, a fucking noob. A fucking noob in my fucking team"
>pings every capture point on my side of the map while I'm actively capturing them
>loses two units on his side
>leaves game

It's one of the great traps in any PvP team modes: any player who is low enough to meet new players either sucks ass, is a whiny loser that tilts at everything, or both. Although that was back in the day, in your case it's partly your fault for trying to get into a game with a fossilized playerbase.

Unironically, if you want to get into a multiplayer CoH you should play CoH3. People who only ever play campaign or skirmishes bitch and moan about old games being better but right now CoH3 is the most playable of the three, both because of the various QoL things that are sorely lacking from old CoHs and because it has the biggest and most active multiplayer playerbase at the moment.
Don't get me wrong you'll still find plenty of whiny losers in your team but at least you'll be matched with other noobs most of the time.

>>2462157
coh1 random lobby in a nutshell right there, better set up games with some guys rather than joining rando lobby. thankfully lelic removed the ability to view gardening win loss ratio in coh2 lmao.

>>2462157
Based. I wouldn't want to carry some random dipshit either.

>>2462164
I started CoH1 just before the release of CoH2, so at least when the beta for 2 released, I was in better order. Felt like 2 really favored highly mobile attacks too, things like MGs felt more deadly but there was so many ways to flank them at high speed and the maps were more open that the fighting never really seemed to bottleneck into a meatgrinder.

By the time WFA released, I was rank 15 on the Soviet leaderboard and rank 37 on the Ostheer side, then got rank 11 as USF before I dropped out due to too much sweat. I had 39 wins and 1 loss getting matched against Helping Hans at the very end.

>>2462523
You only played 40 games?

>>2462622
As America, yeah. I had about 500 or so as Soviets and around 220 as Ostheer. I played for the first couple of months of WFA, was initially enamored at the faction design, then got burned out trying to maintain my 1v1 record. Despite having a far worse record in 2v2, I found team games more enjoyable.

I had a buddy I'd play CoH2 with who always wanted to play Soviets, but we worked really well together. I usually ran a T-34/85 doctrine and did a lot of really mobile assaults with half tracks while he'd lock down the territory I'd take with AT guns and HMGs and keep it from being retaken after my assaults would need to fall back. In all my games, I never got the hang of using AT guns because fast medium tanks and Pumas were all I needed until the call in changes.

Why is there always someone afk in 4v4?

>>2462164
Might have been my dad. He'd play multiplayer because muh ww2, but he was total dogshit and would constantly flame teammates and get banned. I checked his profile and he had like 1:20 win/loss ratio.

>Come to play CoH2 after a long break
>Find that relic nerfed the shit out of Shermans, most of them shoot just as slow as every other tank now
>Get into a tank duel, watch as several of my shots bounce and a Panzer IV rolls off with 90% of its HP remaining

>Find the Sherman with the 76mm gun
>It's got the same stats as the previous one, even has Radio Net still to give it an even higher rate of fire
>Commander has a combined arms ability that pushes the fire rate even higher
>Take on a Panther with a pair of 76mm, these tanks are literally shooting three times each for every one shot of the Panther
>Despite half the shots bouncing, the shells just saturate the tank and wreck it anyway

This is how American tanks should be, crappy stats but with such a high rate of fire that they win anyway when you race behind everything.

Early war pacific ww2

Chinese

Japanese

Phil-American forces

British commonwealth forces

>>2464480
>1 year later
>Black prince DLC
>perishing DLC
>Elephant DLC
>Some bullshit napkin japanese tank DLC

>>2464567
>Some bullshit napkin tank DLC
I come to this board to forget about World of Tanks, not to be reminded of it

>>2464480
3 of those are not marketable in the current world.

>>2464600
>don't include the tibet star
>make it anime
>the us soldiers are all black
>the uk indian battlegroup with a spunky and breedable stronk fymale sarge
Sounds like a money printer to me.

>>2464617
Not even, WW2 china is nationalist china, total non-starter.

>>2464647
>no money
>no bitches
>no sagging tits auntie forcefeeding you raw water buffalo testicles
General Liaobros, face it - it's joever.

>>2464647
The CPC makes WW2 movies staring Kuomingtang troops all the time.

>>2462150
COH is consistently dogshit at multi-faction balancing. Comp games should be based on strict 1v1 faction matchups - Wehr vs Sov, OKW vs US, etc., and the game should be balanced for those matchups. Obviously casual games you can do fucking whatever, who cares.

>>2464270
COH2 is a Wehraboo fucking game and I hate it. The US in 2 is a 1943 army technologically sans the Jackson. It gets none of its fun war-end toys despite having more of them than the Germans, yet the OKW gets tons of wacky shit that barely existed. Even on top of that, the balancing is Wehr anyway - the ancient fucking PzIV somehow bounces shots from Shermans even though irl it could do no such thing, AT guns are literally useless unless you pop HVAP rounds on every single enemy tank, and it's not possible for your infantry to ever gain an advantage so long as your opponent is also vetting up because the OKW literally gets "Fuck you I still get to win" superinfantry in T4 to maintain a permanent quality advantage for the entire game. Literally the only good US units are the Jacksons and some commander call-ins, most of which you have to pay for.

>>2464694
Did you not use any US commanders in COH2 or something? They have tons of fun late-game toys, even more than the OKW.

>>2464697
I didn't say late game, I said late war. And no they don't. It's literally just the Pershing. No recoilless rifles. No M2 Carbines. No night vision. No napalm. No Chaffee. Just the Jackson. And the Easy 8 and Pershing, but you have to pay for those.

>>2464699
>No recoilless rifles.
Which always sucked in COH1 and were far inferior to just having bazookas.
>No M2 Carbines.
None of the COH games have M2 carbines. In fact they are redundant when you already have M1 carbines.
>No night vision.
Which was a post-war development for the US. The only really functional night vision in WW2 was by the Germans.
>No napalm.
They do have napalm strikes as a commander.
>No Chaffee.
Yeah because you already have the Stuart.
>Just the Jackson. And the Easy 8 and Pershing, but you have to pay for those.
And the Calliope. So you concede that the US does in fact have late-war toys to play with but will insist on complaining anyway because you suck at the game. Gotcha.

>>2464702
>In fact they are redundant when you already have M1 carbines.
.....I don't even know how to respond to something that retarded. I can't even fathom how you could argue being able to fire full auto doesn't matter.
>Which was a post-war development for the US.
Wrong.
>They do have napalm strikes as a commander.
No they don't
>Yeah because you already have the Stuart.
The Stuart was out of date by the time the US entered the war, there is no reason to have in the game except that if the US light tank was the Chaffee then the stock Sherman would need a 76 to be relevant and they don't want to do that because the game is made by Wehraboos who insist US tanks have to be dogshit at all costs.
>So you concede that the US does in fact have late-war toys
You have to pay for them, so they don't count

>>2464699
>>2464702
>No recoilless rifles
>No Chaffee
Uhm.. both of those are in coh3.

>>2464710
Don't get me started on how much late-war shit is crammed into COH3 despite it taking place before COH1.

Coh peaked in the Modern Combat Mod

>>2464711
And? Game's so arcadey I'd be perfectly fine if they added a hydra and captain america battlegroups.

>>2464694
A lot of people always said the Germans were better than the other factions, but I never really thought so. They had a lot of shit that was better in a lot of ways, but I always felt like the Soviet shit had a reason and purpose too.

It's like the ZiS field gun is mostly inferior to the Pak-40, with lower penetration and lesser rate of fire, you know, all the stuff you'd want in an AT gun. But the ZiS did set up faster, had six men so it survived better, and had a wider arc of fire at that point in time (The Pak had a very narrow arc, it was like a 30 degree cone or something). The Pak punches holes in every Soviet tank, but T-34s came out a little quicker than the German ones and if the Pak wasn't properly spotted for, they just rolled around them in a circle and killed them anyway. Meanwhile the ZiS had a wide enough arc that it could react to tanks coming in at the wrong angle even if you didn't have good vision.

The scout car was like a direct counter to the M3 with its autocannon, but the M3's ability to keep a squad of infantry in it let you drive guys straight up to HMGs and mortars without any concern, kill them, and run off with them back to your base. The German mortar fired faster and more accurately than the Soviet one, but the Soviets were so mobile it almost never mattered. The Maxim MG had a tiny, narrow arc of fire compared to the MG42's almost 180 degree one, but the gun set up so quick you could just use it as regular infantry.

I think a lot of the German kit comes down to hitting critical mass where all of their stuff can support each other. They want HMGs covering fields of fire for Grenadiers with LMG42s for massive damage at range, mortars shelling a stable front line, Paks covering approaches to deter tanks, and a long range slugging match between the Panzer IV and T-34. But the Soviets just pour over them and never let them get to that point, fighting a highly mobile battle where the Ostheer never can group up for it.

>>2464699
My only complaint about the base USF commanders is that the M10 got nerfed. Requiring a major to build it means it competes too hard against the Jackson for a role it doesn't do great at, especially since they nerfed the rate of fire for it. It's in every way an inferior Jackson except for cost, but being 60 fuel cheaper than the Jackson doesn't make it competitive against the Sherman that's only 30 fuel more expensive than it. And unlike the Sherman, you can't use it against infantry, not even with a pintle mount machine gun.

The M10 should've stayed a high RoF tank destroyer with the standard 40 range that relied on numbers to beat out other tanks, not the pseudo-sniper that sits between the Jackson and the Sherman in range and only does a Sherman's damage and pen (Without its ability).

>>2464727
The fact you had to ignore OKW vs US to make that argument only reinforces mine. The OKW is Naziwank bullshit while the Americans aren't allowed to use almost anything that isn't at least a year out of date.

>>2464694
>the ancient fucking PzIV somehow bounces shots from Shermans even though irl it could do no such thing
We talking M4A3s or M4A3E8s here?

>>2464755
Doesn't matter, the 75mm is still going to abuse panzer IV at all but extreme range in reality.

>>2464761
Matters a whole lot, friend. A3s firing their M61 have 70mm at 500m. Pz4 unangled has 80mm on front plate and significantly more on the turret cuz mantlet. E8 not penning is bullshit but regular short A3 bouncing is reasonable.

>>2464708
>.....I don't even know how to respond to something that retarded. I can't even fathom how you could argue being able to fire full auto doesn't matter.
Oh wow it's a select-fire version of your standard semi-automatic carbine. Not like the US already has 3 other guns for their infantry units that fulfill the same role you braindead goomba.
>Wrong.
Wrong yourself. A prototype was briefly tested in the Pacific (so not even Europe) and then put away for further refining.
>No they don't
Yes they do. There's an airstrike ability that literally drops incendiary munitions.
>The Stuart was out of date by the time the US entered the war, there is no reason to have in the game except that if the US light tank was the Chaffee then the stock Sherman would need a 76 to be relevant and they don't want to do that because the game is made by Wehraboos who insist US tanks have to be dogshit at all costs.
The Sherman DOES have a 76 upgrade in COH2. Did you even play the fucking game?
>You have to pay for them, so they don't count
OK so my original assessment was correct, you are in fact just shit at the game and want to seethe about it.

>>2464767
M61 has 91mm penetration at 500 yards thoughever.

>>2464751
I'm only going off of the base game era because I think it had good balance. WFA has its own problems, but even those I don't think are egregious. However, I will say that USF is just Soviet gameplay taken to the extreme (Have to win early or you won't win at all) and all the patches since release have reined in that part but the USF still has a very lackluster late game.

Really doesn't help that USF's kit feels so empty compared to the Soviets. No snipers, no transport, literally only one doctrine had elite infantry on release in the form of paratroopers with rangers not coming until far later, and those elite infantry doctrine are rare. Lack of long range firepower in the form of LMGs, with the LMG upgrade being doctrinal and nerfed to be one LMG per squad anyway.

Riflemen DPS nerfs where now they cost more than every other base infantry but do less damage except at point blank range. They might as well have been made into SMG infantry since they don't fill the role of line infantry but don't do enough damage up close to make them feel worth it. The BAR upgrade has been nerfed to weakness; Panzer Grenadiers' entire squad gets assault rifles for instance for zero munitions cost and each rifle does more DPS than the BAR at all ranges but the 25-30 mark. The officer call ins largely feel useless, essentially being a riflemen squad with a single tommy gun in them.

In the past, your armor would come out early and let you keep tempo with the Germans by forcing them to deal with an early Sherman, but now you have heavy tech requirements to get to Major and the Major costs 120 fuel. And Sherman rate of fire is now the same as every other medium tank, so it's just an inferior unit.

I get the feeling Relic wanted to try and drag the factions into parity with very clear early, mid, and late game play and get away from a rush meta, but then they added almost no tools to the USF to support that. They just nerfed the tools to keep tempo.

>>2464767
E8's will basically always pen now, they had a complete role change from a fast moving, rapid firing tank to what's essentially a Jackson with bigger HE splash for killing infantry too. They get that ability at vet 1 that gives them an extra +20% pen (So it's 240-185 pen based on range, more on vetting up, almost enough to guarantee the Panther gets penned each shot) and an extra 10 range to give them 50 total. It's such a weird change from a brawler to fire support because none of the E8's design takes advantage of the high speed it used to get.

>>2464873
I honestly haven't touched 2 in ages but that does sound weird. So, what's M36 used for now then? Tiger Bs?

>>2464871
I think what the USF needs to function like Relic maybe intends/intended:
>M1919 LMG moved to baseline, still able to equip two.
>BAR, M1919, and Bazooka weapon racks unlock on getting leiu/captain or one of those plus their building tech, bringing them on par with every other faction who can upgrade their weapons in the same way.
>Slightly stronger vet bonuses for riflemen than what they have; should approach late game high cost infantry like pgrens, obersoldaten, etc since the USF's strongest baseline infantry are rifles.
>M5 halftrack baseline in place of the M15 AA halftrack. Why make a riflemen focused army with no way to reinforce them in the field or move them around? Leave quad 50 cal as its AA upgrade.
>Ambulance removed, replaced with a generic medic aura upgrade at the base.
>The USF has three anti-infantry artillery units in their base doctrine: Mortars, pack Howitzer, and the M8 Scott. On top of that, a lot of doctrines have the mortar halftrack. Why? Replace either the pack Howitzer or the scott with something more useful, both are good units but redundant.
>Mark target on the Major at vet 1, gives vision increased chance to pen a tank for 30 seconds for 45 munitions. Shermans can keep their weaker stats since this brings them up on par with other tanks in a typical combined arms engagement but punishes them for acting independent of the rest of the army.

>>2464894
Pretty much heavy tanks, maybe sniping mediums if the German player likes to go in close a lot with his P4s. On paper, it's got great stats on its gun, 60 range, higher accuracy than pretty much any other tank, and very high penetration that can climb even higher with its active ability. In practice, it's got a slow rate of fire and a fragile hull, plus fighting at max range means other tanks that don't overextend just pull back a little and are fine. It's not enough of a threat on its own to push enemies back, but it's too specialized to build more than one.

>>2464896
Oh, and for officer call ins, the squad should be functionally identical to base riflemen but with infantry aura bonuses as they gain vet. Captain gives defensive increases (less received accuracy at Vet 1, 10% less damage taken at Vet 3 to all nearby infantry), Lieutenant gets offensive ones (increased accuracy at vet 3). Major retains his support abilities with no auras. Currently the officers just feel inferior to regular riflemen except they do slightly more close range damage because of the Thompson.

All of those changes together give you strong riflemen that equal things like Obersoldaten, but only if you keep them alive to gain veterancy and support them with officers. Right now, there's too much reliance on paratroopers and rangers to win the infantry war which weakens other doctrines too much.

>>2464896
>meme unit that counters meme units
>e8 is a notpanther now
Gotcha. I can see why you were advocating for pershings among other things earlier then, if that was you of course.

>>2464899
Nah, that wasn't me. I liked the USF on release because I never used heavy tanks, I spammed M4C Shermans with lend-lease or used a pair of P4s depending on who I was playing. I always favored rate of fire over other stats because.

The release M4A3 Sherman was really good, even if it was weaker than the M4C. It shot 20% faster than the T-34 and P4 right out of the gate, gained Radio Net as a Vet 1 bonus which give it another +10% ROF per vehicle around, and then gained another like +25% ROF bonus at Vet 3, which it usually got quickly because it dealt so much damage. The best way to use them was to scout the enemy tank just as it came out and roll a pair of them over to it as quick as possible to either kill it before it had any effect or at least trade a Sherman for it so you could keep ahead. Poor penetration didn't matter since you just shot so frequently that shells were going to get through at some point, usually long before the enemy had reduced your HP.

Pershings, IS-2s, Tigers, etc are just liabilities in my opinion. They're too expensive to be aggressive with and that limits their effectiveness. If you try to use them to spearhead an assault, it'll invariably run over a mine or get ambushed by AT guns that stun it and then get swarmed, but if you hang back at max range and use it as fire support, a pair of Stugs or SU-76s will do you just as well. But if you have two or three medium tanks, you can swarm in for kills and not care if you lose one or two because you still have a tank and you've secured such a strong advantage that you have plenty of time to grab another tank and dig in at the new ground you've taken, if not outright kill the enemy base.

That last strategy is what's been nerfed for USF, a faction that already sucked at standoff battles between combined arms. People complained before that it didn't work like Ost/Sov and lacked heavy armor, but then the USF lost its strongpoints and now is still deficient.

>>2464906
I can see heavy and superheavy tanks having a role as stalemate breakers. If you have them and the opponent doesn't have good TD tech you roll him, if he does and can use it he rolls you and you likely invested so much that you can't recover. Stalemate broken anyway.
That's the theory anyway. In practice, yeah, in my experience they're usually a win harder in all 3 games.

>>2464920
Things like the Priest and other long range artillery do better in that regard. All of those completely murder static positions and make it untenable to actually put defensive lines down. Mortars help push against static lines, but anyone can build a mortar and return fire; heavy arty is doctrinal only and completely safe in the base on a static front. It's why the Infantry doctrine for the USF is a misnomer, it's technically a defensive one but with so much artillery it makes it impossible for the other side to dig in.

Despite my earlier complaints about them, I do feel like the best way to use heavy tanks is as a fire support platform. All of them have good AoE and can survive under long range AT fire and chew up both infantry and tanks, they're just expensive for what they do in my opinion. They do get even more deadly at Vet 3 though, if the game goes that long.

Fun fact about the Pershing, it shoots a little slower than the Tiger but has more AP and a bigger AOE radius against infantry, along with less scattering of its shot. This makes it comparatively better at max range, especially when you take into account its lower max HP. Only the King Tiger is more effective than it, and it still has less penetration. It's also really fast for heavy tank, moving almost as fast as a Sherman.

>>2464808
>not wanting to pay for microtransactions = bad at the game
Every fucking time with you people. Even over a decade later, you refuse to admit you're a chump who handed over your money for every possible competitive advantage you could get purely because Sega knew they could get away with doing it and you're pathetic enough to cave, and now have to defend that purchase to the death.

>>2464930
I was thinking more along the lines of a timing push to break his back but yeah, sure. You can do that with artillery and medium tanks too and much earlier.

>>2464931
Why would I spend any money on commanders? The Soviets already have the best unlocked from the start, every purchased one is a meme commander anyway. Just get something with Guards Rifle and you're good. Ostheer is pretty much the same as well.

The only time I remember a particularly egregious problem with it was WFA's release, Rifle Company's E8s were so insanely good they might as well have been pay to win. Didn't matter to me anyway since I got the Rifle Company for free as a random drop like 10 games into it, I abused the fuck out of people for a while with it.

>>2464947
>Ostheer is pretty much the same
No, it isn't. Exact opposite. Wehr has the WORST free commanders.

>>2464931
I didn't pay for shit dumbass so try again. And you're the one who was bitching about OKW being having so many end-war units available despite them also being locked behind commanders and complaining how the US didn't have any. And now that I've pointed out that you're full of shit, you're trying to shift goalposts.

>>2465135
Which ones are the best on your opinion for Ostheer? I like Jaeger Infantry and Mobile Defense Doctrine, but I'm curious which commanders you find to be ahead of the rest.

After a lot of recent USF games, I'd say Airborne is one of the USF's best, with Armor Company and Rifle Company up there too. The rest are hit or miss. I don't have much recent experience with Ostheer/Soviets post 2018, so I can't really comment as much on them for the current state of balance.

>>2464600
It's mod tier setting but the campaigns would be fuckin crazy
Unprepared allies and an ultra aggressive infantry-based japan marching through Singapore and fighting the Americans etc

Japanese would have more air support, americans would be the arty and defend faction

British have mass troops + armor

>>2464647
The chi-com dlc would sell like gangbusters

Also you could have those German-trained Chinese troops as a doctrine.

>Put spotting scope on 222 scout car
>Can see from my base to the middle VP or from just outside of my base to the front of the enemy base

I don't know how anyone can call this a weak ability with a straight face. I can see and react to enemy movements as soon as someone issues a command to them. Every direction they go, the MG42 is ready to meet them and suppress their infantry or a Pak is already lying in ambush with a stunning shot. If infantry dare clump up, they meet an artillery barrage.

>>2465744
Wehraboos can get literal maphacks and still complain
Tiger syndrome very real

The new DE showcase looks good
I'm fully expecting someone to complain that the game having proper textures makes it soulless now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Lz8qI4H1g