Hopes and copes lads?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5iFil7KIIg
>>2424084>it's just S1 again because every time we try to make something that isn't S1 it's fucking terrible
I don't get it.Firefly captured lightning in a bottle with Stronghold and Crusader, and everything since then has been garbage (with the possible exception of 2). Why is it apparently impossible for them to get it right again?And why have no indie devs tried to fill the niche? There's a huge market for it.
>Selectable lord models of the characters like in Crusader 2>Barbaric units and axeman like in SH2Not sure what else to add, it finally looks like the Stronghold I always wanted, set in europe, skirmish mode and the four dukes in it. Haven't bought a new Stronghold since Crusader 2 and I never played 2, 3 or Legends
>>2424113Yuge market, seriously, why has no one else tried
>>2424123>>2424113its a sign from universe. the task is up to you
>>2424153>@Grok>vibecode me a good stronghold game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABa8V8u6gcMgameplay up
is it a prequel to stronghold 1?
>>2424084I'm not seeing what this does that original doesn't already do minus the random griefing events. Which you already sort of had with cow plague and wolves and shit.
>>2424165>it's been 25 years and we still can't come up with any enemy lords more interesting than the original fourWhat happened, Firefly? Your "gothic dommy mommy" from Stronghold 'definitive' didn't take off?
>>2424304>Snake>Wolf>Pig>Rat>Caliph>Saladin>LionheartYou literally cannot get any more iconic than that.
>>2424336I don't disagree but does every cowardly lord have to literally be The Rat(this game, I heard duke de puce somewhere in this 1hr showcase >>2424165 ) or every shadowy mastermind have to literally be The Wolf(Stronghold 3)I'm all for fanservice but surely there's been a new thought that occurred to someone over the years.
A message from the caliphINFIDEEEEEEEEEL
>>2424165>Stronghold 4>slavoid plays the demo like Stronghold CrusaderLiterally low IQ
foid detectedgame ruined
>>2424113>>2424113Honestly ALL they need to do is just make Stronghold 1 but with more content. And I don't mean more missions and maps and the same shit as usual, do something that breaks the mold of "this could literally be made in the map editor 20 years ago". For example make more "factions", think how Crusader had Arab troops and some Arab buildings. You could even make it somewhat exclusive to your lord selection, fuck, you could branch out and turn it into full blown Total War where you fight over Europe as specific countries with unique units and buildings but get to build cool castles and have fights that aren't just spearmanni lines vs spearmanni lines. Make it ambitious again, not just the same thing again but literally worse in every way. The other Strongholds didn't fail because they were trying to be more than S1, they failed because they tried, and succeeded, at being less than S1. Oh, and do large maps so the castles aren't five centimeters from each other. The Demo looks like they're fucking tiny and that second one makes me worry it's going to be "you are limited to building on specific fucking hills" like it's Warlords or wherever that stupid ass idea originated in.>>2424084>the walls break apart fully instead of getting chipped away with damage like in S1Unironically over.
>>2424382he is a provd dacian
Have they seriously not yet made Frog?
>>2424084it seems a bit outdated to me? the castles have no verticality, look at that new Bergfried, that's how i expected stronghold 4 to look like
>>2424084 >>2424408and this is what the castles from stronghold 4 look like, literally stronghold 1 but 3d
>>2424396>Honestly ALL they need to do is just make Stronghold 1 but with more content.that's literally what they did and it doesn't look very good see >>2424408 >>2424409 the castles have no verticality and no irregularities, it's conceptually quite outdated
>>2424084dare you enter my magical realm
>>2424408do you think a studio that had to survive on scraps the last 20 years could afford any innovation
UE5 slop
>>2424435And they will have to survive on scraps for the next 20 years unless they make something new and good.
>>2424470they got bought by a publisher (why?) so it just gonna close them later instead
>>2424495Good. Firefly is long overdue to be put down.
I remember the hype me and my friend had when we heard that Stronghold 2 was coming out. We were so eager for that game.And this announcement fills me with nothing. Maybe we're just older, or maybe we know that it's a franchise better left in memories.
>>2424508Stronghold 2 and legends were the peak of the franchise, they made a lot of shitty decision since than
>>2424113Indies would rather work with simpler ideas that are less likely to produce a huge failure. Instead of making a complex game like this one, they stick to one gimmick, like just the medieval town sim, or just castle defense survival, or a perfectly regular RTS, preferably fantasy.
>>2424511foh nigga
>>2424409Dark ages please understand
>>2424408this does look cozywhats the catch?
Looks fine for an alpha, the bird eye view looks fine until you zoom in. Units and structures look like caricatures and the sliding on the ground walk animation is just horrendous.But, overall this does look like a good next installment in the Stronghold series.
>>2424579>overall this does look like a good next installment in the Stronghold series.Because they're just doing a remake of SH1.
>>2424411>that's literally what they did and it doesn't look very good seeNo, they just did Stronghold 1 again without any new content.>the castles have no verticality and no irregularities, it's conceptually quite outdatedJust because they decided to pick flat as fuck maps and suck at building aesthetically pleasing castles doesn't mean it's impossible within the Stronghold 1 framework. Crusader was honestly the biggest offender since they tried to make it "balanced" for multiplayer and gave everyone a flat as fuck plain to build on. But sure, you could just make it so you can make variable height walls and you're already winning a lot in that department - I believe Stronghold already supported this to some degree, since there's no functional difference between Crusader's full and half walls and in terms of pathfinding and such people building custom maps have always used hills to manage wall height. IIRC if you put down a wall on a cliff it would even get a wall texture all the way to the bottom.Aside from the castle in your picture not being on a grid so it's possible to have many different angles, not just 90 and 45 degree walls, there is nothing in it that would be impossible within Stronghold 1. It's just a castle on a hill.
>>2424694>doesn't mean it's impossible within the Stronghold 1 frameworkanon, it's impossible within stronghold 1 framework
England is so boringI want french and occitan and Spanish and Italian sheeeet
>>2424084>HopesHa. Calling it now, shovelware #53452342.
>prequel to Stronghold>but it's literally just SH2 with a fresh coat of paint, possibly UE5slop+some AIslop
Those building designs and textures look so flat and soulless.They make the game look like it came out 15 years ago.
All the casuals are getting rekt by that demo military siege defense, ballistas are OP and bows/longbows/crossbows don't do much damage compared to Stronghold/Stronghold Crusader
>>2424084it amazes me that firefly still exist just making the same game over and over again except worse than the first time they made it
>>2424790Getting updated stronghold 2 isn't the worst at least. Still better than anything since then
>>2424571>what's the catch
>>2424858The best feature of S2 was the ability to station units inside towers and not just on towers.
>>2424790it's literally stronghold 1 tho, not s2
>>2424084Hope you can customize your architecture and walls, always wanted OG stronghold walls in crusades and vice versa
>remaking the same game but somehow worse for 25 years awardhow are they so fucking incompetent?
>>2425075I can't even point out what it is that they keep getting wrong since the jump to 3d but something just is.
>prequel>not immediate sequel where the Kang betrays the SH1 hero for winning too much and half the kangdom is thrown into civil war
>>2425080I don't understand how they haven't introduced a builder worker who goes out and constructs/repairs the walls.
The most we can hope for is Arab and Legends DLC.
I just don't care. I've installed crusaderz loaded up a skirmish, saw how tiny even the biggest map is, saw how the ai attacked me in kilometres long lines like fucking ants and then I deleted the game
>>2424084The main avatar there looks like a tranny.
>>2425461why do you always think about trannies?
A 2d pre rendered isometric castle building game with limited low fantasy elements (a dragon, an army of skeletons)That's all it would take, I'd play it.Instead it's Ultra Real Graphics and Gay Retarded gameplay.
>>2424153>>2424155Haha good one
>>2424411>that's literally what they didThat's not true. They LITERALLY have less shit in it. Also>woman warrior in promo materialFuck Stronghold 4.Fuck Firefly.Fuck all game devs.
looks alright but the setting is boring as fuck, medieval england is just garbage compared to mainland europe
>>2426155that's a man
>>2426155>woman warrior in promo material>reee i hate Stronghold 4 now!tourist detected
Is it just me or are both Homm and Stronghold having a new game in early access this year (with the first being out already), that are sequels, that take place before their first games and both wanna get back to the old roots?
>>2424408sure wish the devs would figure out how to add dynamic doorways to towers, bastions and the keep so that the castle walls don't just end up in a stone wall.
>>2426582What an epic own. Bravo, my chud ways are corrected. That wasn't the main point though. Wasn't it? Regardless, I'm not the target audience for this game. Will neither buy or pirate it. Have fun.
They are billions and it's clojes made this franchise redundant for me. I just wanna turtle and slowly expand
>>2426868>and it's clojesname 7 (seven)
>>2426869>name 7 (seven)NTA, best I can do is one:Age of Abandonware: Final GriftOn a related note, TAB devs have been working on another game all this time. They are all hushy, hush, but the rumors in town say it's TAB 2 and it's not that far from release.
>>2426869well there's:diplomacy is not an option from glory to goo that dark fantasy oneriftbreakersand ughhhh.....
>>2426869Infested PlanetCreeper World seriesCalyx
If you had to design the prefect Stronghold game, it would just be Crusader with some additions.Which would you like to see?Can be either new or added from later titles.I'd like to see engineers rebuilding walls during sieges like in S2 where they have to carry stone blocks to the damaged/destroyed walls.Of course repairs without enemies present could still be a simple build command.Something new would be offensive stone logistics during sieges.Catapults and trebuchets having finite ammo is nice. You can still create a doom stack that deals with any defense easily, but you can't use them to continuously bombard choke points.What I'd add is a building of some kind which in a radius supplies siege engines with stones.Each engine starts with 10 or 20 shots, but then has to move near the supply to restock.The supply itself has a finite amount of ammo, which needs to be restocked by oxen.So, building the siege engine in the field by engineers gives it initial ammo.Then you have to build a siege supply depot, which starts out empty.When it is built, oxen which are currently unoccupied carry stone from your stockpile to the depot.This way the defender can raid the stone supply to hinder a siege and the attacker has to preemptively place the depot so it can be filled before the attack begins.
>>2424396So AoE?
>>2424084Why would this be good if everything after the first has been worse?
>>2424084There was a Stronghold 3?
>>2434652We don't talk about that one.
>>2424120>Haven't bought a new Stronghold since Crusader 2 and I never played 2, 3 or LegendsHow the fuck did you skip the only decent 3D ones (2+Legends) but go for Crusader 2?
>>2434958Crusader 2 let me play as the Wolf
>>2424113Honestly I think people just need to revisit all the games. I'm starting to think maybe the others aren't bad and that fans really are just retarded. But I've also never played anything but Crusader because I never had much interest in the series in general so I can't say to much. I just find it odd that there are all these games that apparently are garbage but they keep making them and people keep buying them.
>>2435014Perhaps they are better in hindsight because the gaming industry has gotten progressively worse. The average consumer standards have plummeted.
