All things Dawn of War.
Patch 2.9.0 for Dawn of War: Definitive Edition.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3556750/view/681879414933294218?l=english
I remember playing a DoW mod that introduced titans and stuff, it truly was absurd. A titan would have a range covering an entire map. Dark elder had invisible titans and focused on killing my detectors. It was truly retarded.
>>2440947Probably Ultimate Apocalypse. Most kitchen sink mods have titans nowadays.
Some poeple say DE is good, but others say it's pretty bad. What are pros and cons of the DE?I tried playing the OG a few years back, but it wasn't well optimized for modern PCs.
>>2440949Probably. Well in any case I'm bored of Warhams and Frozen Throne has much better gameplay.
i like watching heavy bolter fire slam into ork blobs
>>2440953>consYou're paying premium for an old gameSome of your fav mods might not have been updated to work on DE.The font looks like shit right now, but that's due to a recent update which might undone/tweaked with a upcoming patch.Playing skirmish for the older games requires you adding a specific launch option.>prosIt just works on modern platforms, but new patches might cause a period of instability until an hotfix is released.Most active competitive playerbase.Balance patch support.Mod development is now focused on supporting DE.Mod tools are slightly better than the old ones.
>>2440941SPEHSS MEHRINES!Greetings from /tg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEpODv4qmLkWhat do you think
>>2441003Looks pretty okay, the wargear looks interesting but the units animations look really janky specially when they say that it was a priority for them.That ork guy played like shit.
>>2440944did they finally fixed the skipping dialogue banter between commanders and the ending cinematics??
>>2440960>Balance patch supportThis is a con>Playing skirmish for the older games requires you adding a specific launch option.Can you also play multiplayer in the older modes? That is the dealbreaker for me. I want to be able to play vanilla DoW or WA, not be locked to S*ulstorm
>>2441193Apparently yes, but most people play Soulstorm.If you want to play vanilla add "-modname W40k". If you want to play Winter Assault, add "-modname WXP" instead. You'll need to change the launch option each time you want to change module.
>>2441003It looks way too much like Dawn of War 3 mixed with elements of Dawn of War 2. FFS why is it so fucking hard for these devs to just do an updated Dawn of War 1? That's literally all that people have been asking for years but we keep getting this shit.>>2441063>but the units animations look really janky specially when they say that it was a priority for themIt's the Iron Harvest guys so it shouldn't be surprising.
>>2441003from the sound of the space marine player, they really nailed the "losing against a morbidly obese autist" part of the tabletop at least
>>2441317>It looks way too much like Dawn of War 3How exactly?
>>2441003Looks good honestly
>>2441196is dark crusade just DC
>>2441437-modname DXP2
>>2441003Ork player played fucking terribly. Was expecting a green tide but he didn't do that. He was floating on so much req and power sending small groups weak groups at the Space Marine player. He should have been pumping them out constantlyApparently the low tier Ork boys and shootas become free when at full waaagh according to the UI description so he really should have been pumping them out constantly at that point
>>2441463Yeah he even said at the start orks need to outnumber marines to win and never came close. He spent too much time teching to the gargant I guess.
>>2441003Only interested in ripping cones and playing last stand
>>2441463it's an obviously staged match and muhreens are going to win promotional material
>>2440960What about the AI slop I keep hearing about? Like they run all the graphics through ugly AI or some shit.
>>2441532AI upscaling was involved. See pic related.Source: https://www.gamewatcher.com/warhammer-40-000-dawn-of-war-definitive-edition-design-director-philippe-boulle-interview-mod-support-graphical-upgrades-online-infrastructure-and-more
>>2441795This is how the portrait looks right now.
Hello everyoneIve recently bought dow 1 DE,am having alot of fun but my fav will always be dow 2 personally and i just love martellus and diomedes too too much.Its been ages since i olayed dow 2 on disk but the steam version is on sale so id like to ask you guys 2 questions.Does it have all the dlcs? And how does it run on modern machine and hows the steam version?I dont wanna have another battlefleet gothic 1/2 moment where its broken and doesnt even start.Im fine with some oldjank rare crashes as long as i can play the campaigns again.Cheers to all
>THE WAGES OF SIN ARE DEATH!
>>2441898DoW 2 Anniversary should have all the DLCs. It works fine on my kinda old machine.
>>2441898Steam Version runs fine because Retribution released on it directly. I've haven't had any issues with it on the others. Thank God they removed that awful Games for Window BSThe Chaos Rising campaign was great and for me my personally favourite. The Aurelian Crusades are such underrated events in the 40k universe, shame really that only DoW players know of it while most 40k fans especially the tertiaries have never experienced it or know of it
>>2441795Holy shit this is ugly, have they fixed it yet?
>>2441003Orks look weak, he didn't recruit higher tier Ork units and Ork vehicles just got mogged by one meltagun unit and one tank. Also no permanent dead bodies like in all Dawn of War games...No Scouts for Spess Mehreens and they went all in with Infiltrators/Reivers, epic fail.It looks like a weird hybrid of Dawn of War 1 and 3, at least the animations don't look that janky anymore.I'm glad I won a Commander's Edition copy from them, otherwise it's wait and see mode for me.
>>2442235>It looks like a weird hybrid of Dawn of War 1 and 3, at least the animations don't look that janky anymore.it does still have retreating but at least the retreating guys don't bolt out of the fight like usain bolt. hopefully this means you are actually better off expending squads and not meticulously protecting them like in past gamesalso noticed a distinct lack of MG squads locking down huge chunks of the game map and bogging the game down to suppression slop. also probably a good change too
>>2440941i really like spehss muhreensthe entire 40k lore is so absurd and i love it
>>2442341congrats, you know how to have fun. seems like every other faggot nowadays encounters 40k and feels an obligation to go>this isn't realistic. this isn't a serious work of science fiction. this is too edgy to be taken seriously by serious readers such as myself.
>>2442346Not him, but I take the edge and the silliness seriously like every fan should.
I'm not big into 40k but I know Orks have some kind of morphic resonance thing going on, it would be interesting to see diminished experience from dead units transfer to new units. I like CoH but the universal retreat mechanic seems antithetical to the vibe of 40k.
>>2441317Why are DoW1 fanatics such stupid gorilla niggers?You can't even articulate your thoughts coherently.Devs TRY to carter to you and you repay them with such nigger babble
>>2442515>Devs TRY to carter to youThings that never happened.
>>2441898>And how does it run on modern machineIf you get the sound bug (sounds stop and then you crash) then install sound files from the Elite Mod
>>2442519You are just like HoMMIII fanaticsWill never ever get the true sequel because your taste is based on autism and nostalgia
>>2442527>nostalgiaI can play these old games right now and compare them to the new ones. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it.
>>2442529>not denying the autism
>>2442532You're in a thread on /vst/ for a 20 years old franchise. What the hell did you expect?
>>2441317Hero units gurgling standard units cocks is already a huge deviation from DoW3.
>>2441003this looks pretty good honestly>inb4 doomer naysayers
>>2441003This actually looks like dogshit.It looks like a mod for DoW 3, which given the short dev time, it probably is.I am not buying DoW 3 and you cannot trick me into buying it pre-modded.
>>2442235>I'm glad I won a Commander's Edition copy from themhow??
>>2442577This is one of the big things I noticed. You can really tell the people complaining that it "looks" and "plays" like DoW3 have never even played it and only regurgitate the common most spoken things about it without knowing.Almost like they are baiting
>>2440941https://www.reddit.com/r/dawnofwar/comments/1ukulwm/dow_4_looks_underwhelming_my_opinion/https://www.reddit.com/r/dawnofwar/comments/1ukulwm/dow_4_looks_underwhelming_my_opinion/https://www.reddit.com/r/dawnofwar/comments/1ukulwm/dow_4_looks_underwhelming_my_opinion/
>>2443767>graphics not clear15 years too late to complain about it when everyone decided that 1000 filters makes good graphics>selection screen bad>must show Warcraft 3 screen because DoW1 was worse>map shows too muchground too softand finally>R*dditVolund tier shit
>>2443767holy shit I knew reddit was retarded but he's actually suggesting that dow1 screenshot looks better? I can't even blame nostalgia goggles, I think he's just an idiot.
>>2442527we dont accept the shit you are trying to feed us , now piss off shill
>>2443886and the cycle begins anew...
>>2442341well 2bad they nerfed space marines/ravens. play the elves if you wanna win campaign with less bullshit.
>>2443767>screenshot of upscaled old game>screenshot of compressed youtube video, zoomed indeath to all gamerdads
new gaymeplayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wLXolX4CQ
>>2446063Looks great. Factions all play differently
>>2446080yes i'm quite surprised that all the factions look fun and interesting. i was annoyed that imperial guard didn't make it in but orkz, admech and necrons look fun in their own righti liked the necrons aesthetically in dow1 but it seemed like they whiffed it on how they played. they had too many bullshit units that distracted you from a-clicking a bunch of warriors down mid. here it looks like the warrior crawl is the backbone of the faction and the gimmicky units are for shenanigans
>>2446063Do units not get thrown around by explosions? I didn't really see it happen either in this video or the previous one.
>>2446063This reminds me so much of dawn of war 3 in so many ways. Especially that unit browser at the bottom looks a bit out of place.
>>2440944>DoW1 getting balance patches in 2026Holy fuck.>>2446063It looks decent, like surprisingly decent. I though Iron Harvest was ass and I was worried this game would be slavjank with a 40k coat of paint but it looks like a real game.One obvious issue I see with Necron though is their resurrection gallery mechanic. It feels like it's designed specifically to reward you for spamming one unit type which is definitely going to become gay and lame as soon as players have their hands on the game.
>>2446151>It feels like it's designed specifically to reward you for spamming one unit type which is definitely going to become gay and lame as soon as players have their hands on the game.it didn't seem that effective for the necron player, it seemed like he overcommitted to making spamming the warriors and galleries. they seem good as a way to churn value and wear down the enemy but not useful as a main playmaking force
>>2446063Necrons were my favorites in the closed beta.
>>2446151>t it looks like a real game.Don't get confused by graphics. One thing to note that I saw is that combat didn't look very tactcal. Extremely fast paced to the point nobody could really outflank each other.
>>2446155>a PR guy couldn't A move to victory so it's fineI'd argue the opposite, the fact that the PR guy fell into the trap of spamming resurrected chaff all game and never building any anti-vehicle units against the vehicles destroying him demonstrates exactly why the design here sucks.Rewarding you for spamming one unit is the same as punishing you form building anything else, which is exactly what drew him into the trap of trying to just spam his way forward instead of fielding any counters or supporting units. It wasn't until he lost resurrection chambers that the psychological lock was broken and his brain finally let him build anything else.Competent players will probably find a more cost-effective or better-scaling unit to spam resurrect on but the issue isn't that it might be imbalanced, it's that it directly pushes players into a pattern that's both gay and lame. Whether that play pattern wins them the game or loses it for them doesn't really matter.
>>2446063Admech look fun as fuck. I am unironically getting a little hyped.>>2446185It's just a med bunker with bells and whistles anon, this guy didn't play orks properly either. Devs being bad at their own game is the standard.
I wish there was a Heroes 3-like (fast turn based strategy game with similar overworld/combat map split) Warhammer game.Dawn of War is still the best strategy game ever made in the 40k universe, but it doesn't go that well with the real-time system + "one of our squad is engaged in melee with one (1) guy? everyone, drop your rifles and surround him with your batons" [(1) guy is the demon lord]The melee engagement system should've been strictly unit-to-unit basis (and in return make it easier for melee units to stay in engagement so no more "hehe, I will throw this unit a bit away so my AI resets and stops engaging in melee now") not unit-to-squad basis
>camera very zoomed out compared to dow1instant boughted
>>2446274DoW2 had the best unit controls.
>>2447047No, it didn't. Melee combat was peak jank with its weird ephemeral animation lock rules. Some attack animations locked in fast and dealt damage, others had such a long windup the attack got cancelled because the enemy was running away. It was weird, inconsistent, and annoying as hell. I MUCH rather preferred DoW1's seamless fluid swapping between combat states.
I refuse to believe stripping out unit collision was the only way to improve pathfinding.
>>2447098Did you play 2? The CoH cover system meant everything had to path terribly, melee was dysfunctional and weapon teams were fucking awful. They never made it work.
>>2447098removing unit collision from any coh game would instantly improve it. i don't think there is a satisfying way to allow 2 slow vehicles to get past each other in a tight area without pissing the player off.desu for any non simulation RTS i'm quite happy with "ignore collision when pathing, but make the units repulse each other when they're too close" as a way to handle collision
>>2447125actually now that i think of it, i think COH does have some mechanic where if the pathing is too involving then tanks just phase through each other lol
>>2442527You are right. DoW fans will just play modded DoW1 until the end of time.DoW4 looks like it should be a huge step in the right direction being basically DoW1 with DoW2 power mechanics and more and more distinct factions, greater units variety, and modern 40k stuff.However, it also has CoH2 commanders. Which were a huge cancer on that game and will be a huge cancer here: designed to sell microtransactions and encourage grinding.
>>2447353CoH2 commanders don't matter much. Every faction came with at least 3 with the game and one of them has always been meta. If they release a broken overpowered one for 10 bucks then you can call me on it, but I'm not worried about it. The game will be a DLC vehicle with factions if it doesn't flop either way.What can they realistically do to get people to shell out? Named commander from your favorite chapter? I doubt it, the game is blood ravens centered and they told people to just use army painter for other chapters, no cato sicarius for $10 here I think.Unique vehicles? Like what? That hover rhino instead of a rhino? A slightly different pattern leman rus or baneblade hull? I'm sure it's possible to package some cool 40k thing in a special commander but I'll believe it when i see it.
>>2447421>What can they realistically do to get people to shell out?I want a special edition with no primarisslop, necrons, or tau
>>2447436I think your wish will not come true.
Do you think they will remaster DoW 2?!
>>2447421>Named commander from your favorite chapter?yes, and the other chapters literally have their own codex now>I doubt it, the game is blood ravens centered and they told people to just use army painter for other chaptersoh you doubt it? and they said they wont sell things? that has historically been so reliable hasn't it>no cato sicarius for $10 here I think.just like space marine 2, 40k paypigs will pay up to cosplay their favorite things>Unique vehicles? Like what? are you fucking retarded 40k has endless vehicles>A slightly different pattern leman rus or baneblade hull? oh yes you are retarded
>>2447586ESL
>>2447524
I hate how spongy the enemies are in DoW 2 should I just play it on easy?
>>2447586He really does seem retarded.
>>2447524If they did, I would dread it.Feels like too much technology lost now>>2448223Bruh... You are playing RTS(turned into Diablo for the Campaign)
>>2440944>guard mostly gets buffs>everyone else mostly gets nerfsBased.
>>2441003>assault marines don't get a jump pack to start>it's a unit upgrade that you apply to them>seems like the unit upgrade system has slightly more depth in terms of how it effects each unit's usefulnessHonestly looks kinda cool, definitely needs more weapon options tho.I like the idea of having a base unit for specific roles, that can be upgraded into a specific type of unit.Imagine doing something like building an APC, then upgrading it into an artillery platform as the guard, maybe giving a bonus to firing speed for units garrisoned in it, I think that'd be cool.
>>2448223Regular enemies have decent bulk on normal. It's the bosses that are ridiculous.
>>2449446Can you choose the equipment of each soldier in the squad or is it a package for all of them? I'm just thinking CoH where some of a squad can have great anti-inf weapons and a few At weapons too or making them all one or the other for specialization.
>>2449450it looks like it's a generally application thing, but I'd need to rewatch it
>>2449446>>assault marines don't get a jump pack to startThat's because they are nuMarine assault "intercessors" and those don't come with jump packs by default now.
How could they have thought this was acceptable
>>2449716what are we looking at?
>>2449723Looks like the icon was poorly upscaled.
>>2440941https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmsRwJmiD0Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmsRwJmiD0Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmsRwJmiD0A
>>2449723I thought it was a minefield
>>2450148https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbxVuRaS6yI
I didn't even notice there was a Dawn of War 3
>replay dow1>it's not as good as i rememberI'm ready for something new
>>2450225>dow3 felt like starcraft 2retarded nigger alert
>>2449624So why did girlyman change the doctrine of assault marines? Does he find jump pack cringe?
>>2442515>Devs TRY to carter to youthen why no make dow 1: 2
>>2447353>However, it also has CoH2 commanders.They really need to stop trying to push this sort of thing.It sucks, just put the abilities on a building or ingame unit, then the player has to actually build towards the point where they hit your incoming attack with a "no fuck off" orbital laser as opposed to just casually unlocking it with points as the game progresses.It feels the same way sprint does in every first person shooter, it makes sense in some games, but doesn't need to be in every game, and pushing it in places where it doesn't need to be feels like generic trend chasing.
>>2450540With commanders you can add 10x the variety and options to a game than if you just make things into superweapon buildings.
>>2450574Yeah but it's a cheap solution to add variety.Actually having to build a building is more satisfying because you're pushed towards interacting with the game's existing systems and fitting it into your build planning, and can change your strategy to move towards it mid game if you think it's the optimal choice, all while potentially broadcasting your intent to the other player if they see you starting it.With leaders you pick a guy and get X amount of abilities that you can call down.Sure, you may not get as many options before you start the match, but it does offer greater flexibility during the game itself.
>>2450583You can have both. CoH2 gave most factions building chain options. Do you want the infantry building right away or do you want light vehicles? Support weapons or skip a tier? It would be more complex than desirable if you added all the commander options as buildings. With commanders you can have choice in the rigid part of the game and in the commander options. You can go into the game planning to play commander 1 and play commander 1, or you can see your opponent is doing something and counter him by picking commander 3. If all the complexity is tied into buildings there will be fewer options available because a meta will always develop and with buildings, you will probably only have binary choices while commanders offer you not only 3 choices, but a second level of choice on top of the building choices(I'm saying 1 out of 2 buildings multiplied by 3 commander choices equals six options rather than if there were 3 or even 4 building choices which only give you 3 or 4 .
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTimeStrategy/comments/1uwlk1h/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_of_dawn_of_war_iv/https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTimeStrategy/comments/1uwlk1h/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_of_dawn_of_war_iv/https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTimeStrategy/comments/1uwlk1h/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_of_dawn_of_war_iv/
>>2450599go the fuck back, tourist
>>2450599remember when they made units readable in dow3 and every bearded millennial freaked out because it wasn't hecking 'grimdark' and now their #1 complaint is that it's not readable enough
>>2450608>Hey remember when that kid came into the ER with 2 limbs chopped off, a piece of rebar through his intestines and an eye hanging out? Yeah he had a stupid haircut, embarrassing!
>>2450608no, i don't remember thatfurthermore, just because you read two different complaints on the same place (reddit, which is where you belong), it doesn't mean they came from the same person, autismo.
>>2450574except it also removes the entire layer of mindgames and scouting because if you know the commanders then you know what your opponent is going to doit should just be a few choices you make in each match not tied to commanders outside of it>>2450592>implying a meta doesn't develop with commanderswhen you make the choice during the match there is much more potential for off meta play where you feint or catch your opponent off guardwhen you have to pick everything and then go into the game you are always going to be inclined towards the meta conservative options because you cannot rely on an unusual game stateit is literally game design to sell shit
>>2450625You don't know what your opponent is going to do because he brought 3 commanders.
any preorder chads here wanna play coop 3 days earlier than the peasants?
>>2450723yeah
commanders are just tech you didnt earn
buildings are just welfare commanders
>>2450630>summons one unit in the first 2 minutes>you now know which commander he choseIt's right, even ignoring that they will sell them and make you grind for them it is bad game design. Decisions should just be in the match.
>>2451008Then they picked an early game commander and you can just pick their counter. You have no idea how CoH2 played, do you?
>>2450943imagine this: an RTS where you pick all your buildings pre-match and then you can just click on unitsi think it will be a big hit with dow 2 players
>>2451146so like castle wars?
you have to have a very high IQ to understand the strategic depth of off-map call-ins and instantly deployable units
>>2451119Retard, the point is it removes all ambiguity from the rest of the match. They can't feint and bait you or hide their tech.
>>2451207So like the standard since CoH1 and DoW2?>>2451227That's their choice. The start of game commanders all offer excellent early game units in exchange for less impactful mid or lategame. It's called a "trade-off".
>>2451245>still failing to understand
i want to play this NOW
>>2450235>Play after +10 yeras>It's great>Play with Unification mod>10/10 GOTY
>>2451255I accept your concession.
>>2451540kek nice gif
>Dark Crusade campaign on hard>Space Marines>Try to take Tau stronghold>Get beaten pretty bad at the start, then when I think I've recovered, get demolished when the Hammerhead shows upThe Tau stronghold being a massive pain is nothing new, but how the fuck do I get past this as SM? I admit to being unfamiliar with the faction, but holy shit this confuses me.
>>2451925>but howyou don'tsm is the weakest faction which is just another reason why dow1 is bad
>>2451508Trannyfication mod you mean. All the mods miss out that youre suppose to be at max popcap a 3rd edition 2000 point army.
>>2451925The random barracks around the map will all produce attack waves and clearing them will help take the pressure off you a bit. Having a good early game where you get through the initial wave mostly unscathed and/or take out a few barracks early on that map I think is the main key to surviving it.Hammerheads (and skyrays and fire warriors) deal a lot of damage and outrange your shit but are fairly squishy so you have to manually target them.Building some assault marines might work? I haven't done a campaign with SM in ages though and have no idea what DE has done to them.
>>2451925I don't remember shit about Tau stronghold in DC, but SM for me always relied on at least two tactical squads with rockets to snipe vehicles from afar and dreadnoughts in the front tanking while terminator/tactical heavy bolter/plasma squads focus fire individual squads and delete them from combatput your dreads in the front so your everything can get close enough to fireyou will take casualties so better have breathing space in terms of resources to reinforce immediately
>>2451255not him, but it's you who fail to understand that picking an early game comm and revealing whatever special call-in or stuff it has early is the same as if the dude built buldings/units in a commanderless game and poked with them early revealing their intent and strategythere is no tech to hide there, you know they went early build and if they don't win there it's over for them anyway
>>2451932>sm is the weakest faction which is just another reason why dow1 is badDOW1 was fine in vanilla and WA. DC is when they completely obliterated the balance and fucked the whole game up. Eldar probably had the highest skill ceiling but SM was very strong if played competently.
>>2440941https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmsRwJmiD0A
>>2452218I watched this for a couple minutes but then I turned it off because all he was talking about was DOW3, which is a literally who game that no one played or cares about.
>>2452218buy an ad
>>2440941I wonder what kind of new factions will be added to DOW 4 post-release. My first guess would be the usual suspects like Chaos or Imperial Guard but knowing GW they could try and push the Leagues of Votann. Which I wouldn't mind because while they are slightly more barebones compared to the other major factions right now their addition could be a good way of showcasing obscure Imperium weapons tech that the actual Imperium factions don't really use anymore in canon. Plus it'd differentiate DOW 4 from its predecessors in a big way like they are already doing by adding the AdMech.
>>2452699fuck admech fuck voten
>>2452725This. Femstodes or fuck off. The blacker the skin the better.
>>2452699Chaos eldar nids IG, then tau drukharii and sisters. If these sell maybe votann and knights.
>>2452733>chaos eldar ig tauYeah those make sense.>nidsBit difficult to convey the scale with them in a smaller RTS like DOW.>drukhariMaybe but they aren’t too popular.>sistersLmao nobody likes the sisters, I think it’s guaranteed we’ll get votann before the sisters ever show up.
>>2452733>knightsThose are already folded into AdMech tho
>>2452806Oh are they? nevermind then, I haven't seen a unit list yet.>>2452804I like sisters fug you. Bolter bitches are awesome. They made necrons look zergy, I'm sure they can make nids work.
>>2451925turtle up until you get a death ball then click forward, the true RTS experience according to /v/
>>2452804Sisters are my favorite race to play in dow1.
>>2452804>Lmao nobody likes the sistersAnon...
>>2453046this is what most people want from RTS, which is why they only ever play against AI and disparage PvP
>>2453046>>2453137how else would you handle it? this isn't something where pvp skill will help you much is it? i'm sure being good at pvp would help you stomp the ai on regular maps, but stronghold maps are different. the enemy already controls 90% of the map and has a bunch of units and buildings. it's not like pvp where more aggression or scouting or battling it out for map control would help.
>>2453137Micro is work, I play games to have fun.
>>2451932>>2452079>>2452118Cheers, anons. Tacticals with missile launchers were the key to winning it for me, and it even proved handy in he Eldar base nextPic semi-related: wanted to build something cozy for this brainless thing
Hmmm ok I will try this againI have never played a single dow game, is the "definitive edition" what I'm supposed to start with? Or is it some shitty remaster that ruins the original?
>>2453492its the same game for the most part
>>2453492Just get definitive, it's the easiest way to play all 4 campaigns without fucking around with 4 separate long ass CD keys and 4 separate expansion installationsFirst game is the worst btwWinter assault is decent but gimmicky and annoying at timesDark crusade is peakSoulstorm is slightly underwhelming peak
the 'crons want (you) to join their cause now, click here to sign up now!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtKLe0IMwE
>>2453525Looks cool. I like how they mention the lesser crons now failing to wake up being an increasing problem. Slow little baby steps in lore advancement.
>>2453525>>2453551extremely lame marketing posts
>>2453621uhoh schizo melty!
>>2453626does your boss know you're calling potential customers schizos?
>>2453629You are not a potential customer, faggot.
>>2453683So you admit that you're a marketing shill.
>>2453699No, but I do admit to fucking you are mom.
>>2453525If only there was a game behind that trailer
>>2453708It says in the title it's for Dawn of War 4.
>>2453720Yeah, and Dawn of War 4 is barely a game. Developers decided that their target audience would have a hard time playing an actual DoW game, so they cut everything they could, until there is nothing left to play.
>>2453722It's DoW2 improved though.
>>2453499>without fucking around with 4 separate long ass CD keys>First game is the worst btw>Dark crusade is peakEvery once in a while, there are some truly impressively wrong opinions posted here.
>>2453727dow 2 suchs
>>2453492its a shit remaster that still has critical bugs . avoid remasters
>>2453727It plays nothing like DoW2. I'd say it's the opposite of DoW2.
>>2453760>>2453731If you wanna play DoW1 again go right ahead. I'll enjoy this new entry in your stead.
>>2453761I want to play a game where you have something to do. DoW4 is aimed at actual retards, so developers made it as simplistic as possible. There are no mechanics like moral or suppression, units have minimum active abilities (or any utility outside of basic attacks), cover system is reduced to odd buildings here and there, and most hero items are just passive buffs. All of that, plus unrestricted reinforcement, turn lategame into a blobfest. You just attack move across the map. It's incredibly boring and sterile.
>>2453705She finds jeets repulsive like every normal woman so no.
>>2453499>>2453755So which is true? Is it actually broken, or is that anon just being a pissy contrarian?
>>2453813Personally I've played a lot over the last few days and haven't experienced any bugs and I'm on a pirate version. The original version is fine though genuinely works on my machine, I just downloaded it and played it. I don't remember needing to anything special to get it working.
>>2453817Well...it's either definitive edition or anniversary edition. That's what I got.
>>2453824I meant the anniversary edition when I said the original.
>>2453834I guess, I'm saying that I could play either. I just don't know which is best.
>>2453728Every once in a while, eat shit subhuman nigger. How exactly do you install original Dawn of War, Winter Assault, Dark Crusade and Soulstorm without having to enter 4 CD keys in a row?
>>2453805you get a lot of jeets in your neighborhood? Unfortunate anon. Well, part and parcel of being a britbong after all.
>>2453767Guess you didn't watch any of the gameplay posted ITT.
>>2453847People have given you multiple reasons for both of them to aid you in deciding for yourself, read with your eyes and think with your brain. You won't know which one is better you haven't played them. If you just want someone to pick one for you I think you should fuck off and play something else.
>2453952(you)
>>2453929Not a bong thankfully but it’d still be miles above being an inferior subhuman like you jeets.
>>2453930I did and that anon’s right.
>>2453981Sorry I'm a white american in a 97% white state, I can't sympathize with your weird fantasies.
>>2453986Based anon just woke up from a coma since 1964
>>2453761If you wanna play DoW2 again go right ahead. I'll enjoy this new entry in your stead.
>>2446063Honestly looks like a mobile game, maybe I'll get it on a 50% or more sale.
I'm up to mission five of the definitive edition, and I have to say, it's quite fun, but at the same time, it's getting a bit samey...Every mission just kinda feels the same. You build up listening posts, you spam space marine rocket squads, and then you charge until you win. I guess I had fun spamming Whirlwinds for maximum artillery barrage, too. But infantry is practically irrelevant, it's just the ork tanks that are a bitch to fight.Quite honestly, I feel like this is one of those games where I'm playing it way too damn late...after enjoying more "modern" RTS games with all the trinkets and baubles, it feels lacking. I'll probably just slowly go through it, since doing more than one mission at a time just makes me feel bored by the end of the thing.
>>2454726I mean that’s kinda how RTS games are at their core. You gather resources, expand your base, build up your forces and then send a huge army at your opponent to crush them in a cathartic display of annihilation.Space Marines are especially guilty of this because their infantry is designed to be incredibly versatile and near unstoppable when fully upgraded. Other factions aren’t this bad though and require putting some thought into how you play.
>>2454752>>2454726this is why we tell you retards to play multiplayer
>>2454752Yeah, well, to give a comparison, my favorite RTS is World in Conflict.
>>2454726I told you the first one is the worst.The series stops having this problem from Winter Assault onward.
>>2454779That's a real time tactics game. It has no basebuilding. Therefore it is not an RTS game. It is an RTT game.
>buddy and I load up a randoms 1v1>dark eldar mirror match>immediately turns into invisible mandrake moshpit, both of us just trying to spam mandrakes and wipe eco / builders to prevent the other from getting detectionvery funny
>>2454816no
>>2455007yes
>>2454816a tech tree can stand in for a baseeu4 with no buildings would not be a tactics game
>gotta wait even longer to play a modded Soulstorm campaignPlease... I got the itch...
Okay, I have checked every single motherfucking corner of this stupid fucking map. But the mission won't finish.What the hell am I missing???? Do I literally need to cap every single point in the map???
>>2455785... you just stomp through the maps without capping the points at all? you must be the least autistic person on 4chan, maybe even the world.
>>2455832Cap why? I had more than enough units to beat the map. So is it what I need to do to win?
>>2455839what does your objective say you're supposed to do
>>2455785Capping the points isn't necessary, but it does make your job easier.You just need to destroy all Chaos buildings and units.
>>2455857Also, you should be capping every single strategic points you see. Dedicate a Scout Marine squad in your army blob to capping points as you destroy every Listening Posts you see.Use Land Speeders to quickly scout for enemies to kill.
>>2455839for the vision at least, so you can see enemy movement around the map
>>2455785This mission is easy as fuck, capture the entire bottom half of the map early with your marine squads and then hold the bridges against the AI while building up your forces until you can get 4 Land Raiders then proceed to absolutely murder stomp everything on the other side of the map.
>>2455855>>2455857>>2455876>>2455890Okay, let me rephrase that. I have destroyed all the chaos buildings. I have literally gone through the entire map, and as you can see, I've destroyed all their listening posts. I have been completely unable to find a single chaos enemy anywhere.
>>2455896Cap every single points. Use land speeder to seek targets.
>>2455896it's four hours since you made your post, idk if it would have even taken 10 minutes to cap all those points.
>>2455903I've been doing other stuff, obviously
Finished the campaign (Dawn of War), and that ending was really weird. Gabriel just tardrages, destroys the demon prison rock, and goes "i will le kill you...next time", the endDid I miss something?
>>2455997Yeah thats it until they got greenlit for a sequel
>>2455997it's continued in a novel, read it on the wiki if you care. gabriel shows up in dow 2 but they don't mention the daemon
>>2456107never mind, apparently i hallucinated this
Playing through Dawn of War 2 and got mixed feelings. I like that they introduced some COH elements into the gameplay and the improved visuals look nice but the fact that the armies are so small and a lot of the maps are constrained to a samey kind of symmetric design means that it doesn't take full advantage of it. The lack of structure building and upgrading also really hurts it, there's no gradual progression where you start small and then progress to all-out warfare, it's just limited skirmishes all the way through. I suppose that was the point but it's not really fun and I'm getting bored of it very quickly. They needed to do something along the lines of COH 2 instead.The campaign is even worse because there's only 2 mission types (defend point/kill boss + maybe destroy some extra stuff) and you can only have 4 "hero" squads including the Force Commander on a mission at any point meaning that it doesn't even feel like an RTS but a shitty knockoff version of Diablo. I have no idea why Relic decided to do it this way but it's not fun at all and is very repetitive. It just makes me wish we'd gotten the Tyranids in the original Dawn of War so I wouldn't have to play this shit to experience them.Maybe it gets better in the other two expansions but from what I've seen that doesn't appear to be the case.
>>2456238Space marines don't build static bases and churn out hundreds of dudes - the entire game is basically an insurgency and utilising a scalpel/spearhead approach rather than a hammer. This is how Space Marines normally fight in the lore - shock assaults and decapitating leadership.
>>2456246Most Space Marine chapters also have like a thousand dudes max and generally send maybe 4 or 5 guys to clear up a planet because they are canonically 1-man armies. So clearly realism isn't a huge consideration here. Gameplay should come first and it's just not fun the way that DOW2 is structured.
>>2456246that maybe true for space marines but it's not for orks, tyranids or the imperial guard
>>2456246The more entertaining engagements involving space marines see them deploying one or more companies at a time to fight. The other factions don't build bases that magically conjure people either but it was an abstraction that allowed dawn of war to provide reasonably large engagements and grinding battles.Dawn of war 2 even maintains the base that just spawns units but removes the building and reduces the battle size to some of the most pitifully small scales imaginable even compared to company of heroes.I'm not sure of what motivation would drive someone to use warhammer and dawn of war of all things for that kind of game.
>>2456246>>2456247>>2456261IMO, Space Marines should either not be a separate army, and simply be call-in special squads/units for Imperial factions, or they should be the most ultra elite faction ever designed in an RTS, in that they work like a DoW2 faction planted into a DoW1 game, e.g. their unit power level per model should be at least 10x of a standard full guard squad, they don't need to construct buildings beyond a "base beacon/starport" and probably don't need to collect/sit on resource points, similarly to Necrons. That is, if you want the "lore accurate movie marine" experience, which we know is mostly propaganda, since the vast majority of major (and not an insignificant proportion of the minor) xenos enemies the space marines canonically face are actually superior to them at a baseline performance level in at least one aspect, if not multiple. Keep in mind that during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, where they were at their peak in both numbers and gear/power level, they were still dying in droves on the regular and some legions had "IG meme casualty rates" canonically.
>>2456238I like the campaign, but>a lot of the maps are constrained to a samey kind of symmetric design means that it doesn't take full advantage of itis very true. There's so many "junk" missions that are just not fun to spend an hour plodding around the map to get 10 stars. Even then, the XP bonus and deployments are basically meaningless because everything scales to your level.
I'm surprised dawn of war has so many typos and they were never fixed.
I liked the Eldar looks in DoW1 but it was the DoW2 Warlock's voicelines that contributed heavily to me becoming a massive Eldarfag.>I WALK IN THE WITCHPATH AND IT LEADS TO WAR>I STAND FACE TO FACE WITH THEM>STEP INTO THE FORGE OF VAUL>LET US DUEL THEN, LORD OF FOOLS>SUCH PRIDE IN YOUR OWN FAILURE AS A MAN
>DEPLOY TACTICAL BABY CARRIER god DoW 4 looks like shit
>>2456855its good that hes all exposed in the middle. That way you can easily kill him
>>2456855This is GW faultand orange lasers
>>2456855The very first reveal trailer was terrible. Then came the Jeorge Droyd one.>B-BUT THE EPIC PRIMARCHHope they at least give the players an option to murk him in-story. Heard good things about the Battlefleet Gothic games like the players being able to just kill Abaddon in all campaigns even the Chaos one.
>>2450608Watched some actual mp match for DoW3 on tube recently. Maybe it was just how up the player liked his camera but it didn't feel very "readable" to me.
>>2456855>yooo what if penitent engine but for space marines and it was intended to be an actually functional combat walker instead of a form of punishment designed to turn its occupant into suicidal cannon fodderGW is run by actual fucking retards. This isn't even Rule of Cool, this is Rule of Stupid.
Finally got to the final mission of winter assault, ngl feels like they skipped several missions where the imperials and elves were begrudginly working together.Anyway, how the fuck do I even play this? Am I supposed to be constantly switching? It sure as hell ain't smooth, if that's the case.
>>2457236However you want. Probably the best mission in the expansion for turtling.
>>2457236Order? As IG, you want to tard wrangle the Lander Raider with your Command Squad into taking side roads. Note, you also need the Command Squad to claim the few production buildings you can actually own.As Eldar? Take your time, the Land Raider should die on its own.
>>2457290>>2457300Okay, I don't really get what you're trying to say...am I supposed to pick a side and stick with it, or constantly switch?
>>2457314The side switching thing is an under baked gimmick. Just pick a side.
>>2456816Can anyone ever make a 40k video/animation, that is actually 100% lore compliant in the portrayal of the units/gear, etc.?A shuriken catapult/pistol does NOT cause your helmet and brain to explode, it fires a fucking monomolecular (crystalline plastic) disc that simply cuts cleanly through anything (when it works), like a knife through butter. They also don't have muzzle flash, since they don't use any explosives as propellant, they use a gravity propulsion device, like a mini-gravity generator.
>>2456855It feels like tw40k will mog it
>>2457548isn't it going to use the same designs?
>>2457548I'll be shocked if the retard dread isnt in TW also. And we don't even have a release date for TW yet, I can comfortably play DoW4 before it's close to coming out.
>>2457548Only because Eldar are the launch faction!>>2457604Of course it's gonna be in. Have to advertise their shitty tabletop models.
>>2457236>>2457300>>2457314>>2457322that's not the final mission of winter assault... the last one is snowy open field where you end up fighting off reawakened crons
Been replaying DoW series and I am trying to finish III again, which I dropped before and it starts out terribly with that awful linear, overscripted level design that was also bad in Retribution.What the fuck were they thinking?
>>2458144It's called a tutorial. That's right, you are not a special snowflake, and game devs have to design the game for everyone, including retards like you (except they've never played the franchise before)
>>2458152You can do that without level design being just tunnel you attack move across and relying on scripted sequences for everything interesting happening.This is just laziest and worst way to do it, while teaching you even less than average RTS campaign.
>>2458153So you say but you are describing literally 99% of DoW 2 and everyone loved that.
>>2446151>DoW1 getting balance patches in 2026>Holy fuck.>Wow a remastered edition that was released 12 months ago is getting updates!?! HOLY SHIT THATS INSANE!!!1!grats on being retarded
>>2450599Fuck off, retard.
>>2440941>ITT: poorfags playing at 1080p medium settings
>>2458154dow2 has a great campaign if you don't do the generated missionsmissions have multiple paths and you are graded on performance in a way that impacts your overall campaign, although they didn't go nearly far enoughmaps are recycled too much that is undeniable but that doesn't mean they always play the same and they do evolve slightlydow2 was really a prototype rts/rpg and had amazing potential imochaos rising did improve things but it still needed more choices, builds, and rts elements, since it's more of a tactics game with a strategic layer outside of battlesretribution completely abandoned this and has an utterly garbage campaign because really retribution is a multiplayer game with a phoned in forced campaigna campaign with hero units, wargear, and impactful branching choices but with escalating rts elements, as the story escalates, would be goated: some missions with just heroes, some with just one or no heroes and generic units, some where you command guardsmen, some where you only have a few fixed buildings to train from, and some where you have all the skirmish toolsthe sc2 upgrades system was a lot of fun as well
>>2458228Fuck off, you dumb 20-something. Talking about shit like Warlords Battlecry didn't do your dream scenario 15 years earlier.>le prototypeFuck off.DoW 2 is overrated as fuck.
>>2458228You are describing complete garbage. Thank fuck you don’t have any say.>retribution le suckedRetribution was Relic desperately trying to course correct after how ass DOW 2 has been in the actual RTS department but it was too little, too late.
>>2458263>only one game can ever do things>>2458267and now rts don't even have campaignsa series of shitty skirmishes is soooo much better than anything else you're righti bet you think the soulstorm campaign is great
>>2458228Whether dawn of war 2 was good or not, nobody is ever going to convince me that the glorified MOBA that was the campaign or multiplayer was a good direction for dawn of war.>some missions with just heroes, some with just one or no heroes and generic unitsThese are by far the worst missions of any RTS campaign without fail, from warcraft to command and conquer to starcraft 2.
>>2458228Huh, does mission rating really affect anything in vanilla DoW2? Chaos Rising added the heresy slider for heretical behavior and that one does affect stuff a bit (which is cool).>>2458263>Warlords BattlecryI'd bet every faction has the same "campaign" with a huge number of missions, the only thing they got going for the campaign interactivity is that you haul a leveled up hero around (t. someone who only played Warlords 4 for a bit and some of Puzzlequest, I really should get into Walords series more). Lords of Everquest has different campaigns for ALL 3 factions that let you take your leveled up hero, his artifacts, the Knight subcommanders for free AND some of his units for a certain gold cost (basically unit cap for transferring stuff around). And Lords of Everquest is MID as fuck! As in, it's really average.Dawn of War 2 DOES have at least one extraordinary thing going for it that it has improved with every addon: the sheer number of unit lines for every situation. Both for heroes and ordinary units. Space Marine squad runs into Ogryns? They will say they are fighting Ogryns. They see Imperial Guard? They say something about Imperial Guard. They are getting raped or taking a nod? They can tell you just that. Warlock casts Immolate (hero wargear in skirmish and ability in retribution campaign), you will hear:>STEP INTO THE FORGE OF VAULor>THE LAND SHALL SCORCH AND BURNThe only other RTS I've played with that had this much detail and love or even greater put into that would be Brutal Legend. Like here some examples for both games that are probably incomplete:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV5iZ6BvceY (Doviculus, the "hero" of Emperor of the Tainted Coil faction)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LOFLpzEvTM (Scream Vagon, Tainted Coil's buffing unit)Dawn of War 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWVPP_lUL38 (Warlock hero of the Eldar)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFs4_8sJTT0 (Diomedes from Retribution, force commander)
>>245815499% of dow2 was dogshit and everyone with a brian hated it.>>2458271Retarded nigger
>>2458228Yeah, I am the person complaining about Retribution and III above and I did like DoW2 campaign - though at release besides the story missions, it was only the randomly generated missions that were about killing the boss at the end and fuckton of defence missions.Chaos Rising reworked the base game campaign to make it less repetitive.The base game DoW2 campaign is very open-ended which I appreciate. Chaos Rising started being more restrictive and scripted and then Retribution just went full retard and even further with III.
>>2458290>>2458290You are the retarded nigger saar kikeslave. Clearly you don't even play RTS if you can't say something substantial.
>>2458351>youre a nigger kike!!!He says defending the nigger kike raped corpse of dow 1 shipped and sold as dow 2. I've played RTTs with more RTSness than dow 2.
>playing 1>want to play a skirmish map>no matter what you play, the AI will ALWAYS bumrush you with some shitty early game unitsIt's not even hard to deal with, but I hate it. The AI always rushes. You never even get to see their late game units because they just keep rushing you stupidly all the time.I just wanna build up and have a big showdown with a full army on both sides. Is there any way to do this?
>>2458398Or, or like this, you make a map with two sides and a bridge on the middle...and then you make it so teams don't spawn separately on each side? The point of a bridge map is to fight over the fucking bridge. Is there no way to fix this?
>>2458378Lmao. DoW2 has: HQ upgrading, buying squads in a match, fighting over resource nodes, upgrading resource nodes and even structure building if you pick certain factions//classes (turrets for Guard/Techpriest, giga-nigga turrets for Guard, Webway gates for Eldar, Shrines for Chaosniggers, among other). If an RTT has more RTSness than that then it's an RTS or has an RTS mode.
>>2458290lol get a brian moron
>>2458378So you missed out on the entire Company of Heroes franchise? Unfortunate.
How do I recreate the "corrupted save" = skip match, instant win bug? In Dark Crusade & Soulstorm campaigns. I know only how to do it randomly, unreliably.
>>2458268Soulstorm was head and shoulders above DOW 2.
>>2458228>retribution completely abandoned this and has an utterly garbage campaignRetribution has by far the best and most fun campaign because it is no longer limited by Games Workshop purist autism. For the first time in DoW2, Retribution tapped into what people actually liked about DoW1, including some actual VARIETY and FACTION BANTER.The existence of Space Pirate Orks alone makes Retribution the best campaign in DoW2. And I didn't even touch upon the unique Chaos mechanic of god favor alignment which was a very nice and unexpected bonus feature.You're telling me you actually liked the characters and story in DoW2 vanilla? I honestly can't remember shit other than hurr tyranids and hurr eldar before that. There isn't even any story or narrative, just space marines being boring space marines.
>>2458773>Retribution tapped into what people actually liked about DoW1Being an actual RTS instead of a MOBA? But retribution didn't do that?
>>2458773It's good that every faction get their own story. It's bad that they all have the same missions to do besides the intro one. It's bad that only Orks and SM (kinda) have a fully voiced cast and every other faction has a voiceless (in story) dummy character. And it's a Farseer for Eldar. It's VERY bad that they all have the same missions to do besides the intro one. They also hyped up the Blood Ravens' inner war in the previous addon and personally Retribution doesn't deliver.>There isn't even any story or narrativeThat's the wonder of Tyranid plotlines. Tyranids come to eat a planetoid, hoomans try to defeat them and sometimes they do. VERY imaginative. Space Marines do talk and banter with each other. As I understand Rogue Trader's tyranids (before the setting became Warhammer 40k) did hold planets and maybe were less united as they are now and they still were said to have been unstopable if they decided to actually destroy all others. Think they were better before. Now they have to rely on Genestealers for any diversity of their plot.Chaos Rising has better and more interactive PLOT.
>>2458866>There isn't even any story or narrative>That's the wonder of Tyranid plotlines.more like it's why they're shit and nobody wants to play themall these retards have to do is Dark Crusade 2, nobody needs to reinvent any wheels or subvert genre expectations. Unfortunately that is too much to ask of games workshop licensing niggers
>>2458268>a series of hour long deathball missions with some dumb-ass story>vs skirmish missions that get you playing the actual game as opposed to a turtle simulatorWA was fine, but the base game was boring as fuck compared to DC/SS
Hello everyone,hope all are doing well.Im the dude that asked about if the dow2 on steam has all the dlcs and if it runs well on modern machine.I read the replies and am thankful for and also yea all the dlcs are there ontop of working very well with no issues so i had alot of fun replaying the 3 campaigns again.Dow2 is genuinly such a peak game and rts in general,i highly recc it to all.Its abit shame that dow4 is looking half baked and kinda meh desu i just dont trust the new devs after trying out iron harvest wich made me hate it from the get go when i gave it many chances regardless of shit being seen from km away.And ofc these kikes are selling prologue and epilogue as dlc wich is....I genuinly dont see it do much especially compared to tw40k wich is also shaping up to be great from what im seeing.
Gotta say dawn of war 2(and to a lesser extent dawn of war 1) handled difficulty levels in the worst way a video game can: just making enemy units do more damage. It's lazy and creates worse gameplay.
kronus necron lord went a little kooky after getting his home nuked by the blood ravens.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfL5zrHM4DQ
>>2459304He just swapped his lower body for that of an insect. He went crazy long ago, actually the setting went crazy and retconned his kind to be a growing minority but you know what I mean.
>>2458787>>2458269Anybody calling DoW2 a MOBA should be publicly executed for polluting the genepool
>>2459304Did they ever explain how did he learn to talk instead of using Pariahs? Was it just Games Workshop saying they've always been at war with East Asia?
>>2459438If a game is just micromanaging a hero and maybe 5 units around and spamming abilities while fighting over tiny symmetrical maps made of lanes and no base building I'm not going to call it an RTS.
>>2459452It had base building and it didn't have "lanes".
>>2459454It has no base building. You do not build recruitment buildings, you do not build research buildings, you do not build resource buildings, the game doesn't even have builder units.Defensive structure calldowns does not equal base building, otherwise dota has base building. Most of the maps are shitty little claustrophobic linear series of lanes with barely enough room to maneuver the already tiny armies that game lets you have in the first place, I'm pretty sure dota's map is bigger than most of them.
>>2459454It does not have base building and it does have lanes. Just because you say 2+2=5 doesn't mean that's true.
>>2459438I'm playing the campaign rn and that's exactly what it is
>>2459469>>2459458It had base buildings, did you even play it?
>>2459480Dota has base buildings, it does not have base building.
>>2459480https://www.cambridgeenglish.org/exams-and-tests/qualifications/key/
>>2459438Anybody saying that DOW2 isn't a MOBA should be publicly executed for being a moron.
>>2459452>>2459477>>2459557I changed the definition of "faggot" to include (You)You are now a faggot if you weren't before
Anybody saying that DOW2 is a MOBA should be publicly executed for being a moron.
Getting really tempted to pre order dow 4 with the season pass and early access.
>>2460472You'll regret it. The devs are proven incompetents from Iron Harvest. From what I've seen, it looks like they don't even understand the RTS base building, with one building producing one unit type. "Stables make the horses" type shit, with little variation.
>>2460547>with one building producing one unit type. "Stables make the horses" type shit, with little variation.just like aoe2, one of the worst rts ever made
>>2460547The videos of combat they showed looked good.
I'm getting the itch to play DoW1 again. I decided to not buy the definitive ed because it seems it has multiple issues including applying the balance changes to singleplayer.I have Aniversary ed already so what are some must have mods that will make it on par or close to definitive ed from compatibility(win10, high res, widescreen, etc) and graphical(textures, effects, etc) points of view?
>>2460547take your meds
What's in store for version 3.0
>>2459951You can’t change the definition of words, “faggot” by default already means you.>>2459952Anybody saying that DOW 2 isn’t a MOBA should be publicly executed for being a subhuman.
It's 2026 and people are still arguing over the fact that DoW2 singleplayer is Diablo at best hot fucking garbage, while the multiplayer is a perfectly fine RTS as long as you use Elite Mod, apparently. Is there even a frame of footage of people not playing with Elite Mod? I at least want to know what makes it so "better" than vanilla, but really my gripe is with extra factions and other fanfiction shit.
>>2460628Literally no QoL exists aside from Better Camera that isn't a full game overhaul like Pro, Unification, or, G-d forbid, Ultimate Apocalypse. It's DE or bust, especially since it has the actual players now, and achievements. Some "Anniversary Edition".Maybe I'm full of shit and you can check ModDB though.
>>2461005Why not Codex Edition?
>>2461010Oh, and grid keys of course. Speaking of which: Has DE finally made grid keys screen-absolute? Meaning for example that z is always the button that's in the bottom-left corner, and not bound to an ability that's *usually* down there, like how it normally works.
Anybody saying that DOW 2 is a MOBA should be publicly executed for being a subhuman.
>>2461005https://www.dow2elite.com/codex.php?page=elite/changelog_full>Space Marines>New units>Sternguard Veteran Squad>Vanguard Veteran Squad
Elite mod went to shit when they started adding retarded DoW 1 models
Genuinely what is so bad about base Retribution pvp that warrants fanfiction trash like Elite Mod and Codex Edition, to the point where there isn't even a single video of vanilla pvp? Soulstorm has hundreds of vids that aren't Unification, Pro, or what have you.
>>2461005It replaces the angel of deathly beauty of Diomedes's voicelines with some generic shit (that maybe partly uses the voicelines of the previous mp force commander). It uuuuuh makes it so that banshees either can jump and can't melee vehs at all or can't jump but can melee vehs a bit with the Exarch (in original banshees can do both). After some "crazy breackthrough" in DoW2 modding it considered adding that stuff but I have no idea what's its current status is. Has a new faction which is basically what if space marines but + humans.Looked okayish but honestly what they did to Captin Diomedes was a travesty.
>>2461064Nothing really, I think. The mods just add more units and at least new factions. Okay, orks and maybe tyranids also get new buff buildings they can make anywhere in Elite.>to the point where there isn't even a single video of vanilla pvpAre there even several people making those? I know like one that's been constantly doing new vids and I understand he just takes the community's saved vids and those mainly (I'd guess) appear on some Elite mod discord or some shit. I once or twice found a vanilla retribution on the channel but maybe he has a bunch. The vanilla pvp is livelier than some so you can just play it if you want.
>>2458411There aren't any bridges on that map first off and second you realise you can see the number where each player will start when you're in the lobby? Just set starts to fixed positions and then have the player you want on your team in the corresponding number in the lobby. It's not rocket science.
>>2458411isn't there a setting called "teams together"? Granted it might spawn your teammate in the south instead, I think it just puts teams on the map clockwise. Use the numbers on the map preview and hard spawn designation settings instead
>>2446274People complained about this in Realms of Ruin tho
>>2461153>isn't there a setting called "teams together"?No, the game will try to automatically bundle teammates together if fixed starting points is not picked. If the map is too symmetrical and the spawn points are incorrectly set, the team locations might be completely scrambled. Pic related.
>>2461010>>2461051I stared playing Anniversary. I use DoW mod manager because it has Better camera, 4gb patch and larger fonts built in along with high resolution, widescreen and some other graphical enhancements and nice to have settings. Also through mod manager I downloaded "Increased Fog Distance & Sky Radius" mod that goes well with better camera mod. I didn't bother with any keybind mod. Game looks great and play how I remember it but obviously you need some tolerance for it's jank including the pathfinding.I finished DoW campaign, WA Order and now at WA Chaos mission2.I see no reason to buy definitive ed.
>>2461711How does the UI look with that "widescreen"? Is it stretched to high heaven and is your minimap escaping containment?
>>2461798The UI is not stretched. However you need to understand that for DoW and WA, for whichever widescreen resolution you choose, you will have black bars on the sides. To me it was not a problem.
How do I make ultimate apocalypse not crash so often?I have the latest version and LAA is enabled.It always crashes 20-40 minutes into a match.
>>2462215join the dev team and fix the shit code
>>2461077Finally found some vanilla Indrid videos and they're all from 2012 lmfao.
>>2461077>The mods just add more units and at least new factions.no, they *just* rebalance all units in the entire fucking game you clueless halfwit. I don't think there is a single variable in the game's code Elite left untouched. That's on top of adding new units and factions
>>2462385>rebalanced by trannies who thought it was a good idea to import playstation 1 quality models into the gameWho cares
>>2462398>muh graphicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQsVKzyj2ms
I've been replaying Dark Crusade, and that damn forward base province still kicks my ass to this day. It's always been a struggle for me. Are there any tips or guides on how to beat it?
>>2462497Apparently you're supposed to rush the biggest base in the southeast, but I never managed to pull it off during my last Chaos pt. My bloodthirster melted too fast against all the shit down there
>>2462398People who actually play the game and notice the changes? What is even the point you're trying to make? That mods are gay because troons make them? That was never disputed
What's the 1-tard (and 2-tard if applicable) cope for the fact that anti-building damage doesn't automatically equal even better anti-vehicle and anti-(heavy)-infantry damage?Tyranid Warriors make me horny BTW, if that matters.
>>2462535weapons that are good at blasting apart concrete and toppling walls are not necessarily as good at penetrating vehicle armor.in real life, HE is very effective against buildings but much less so against heavy armor(unless it is very high caliber HE), AP is very effective against vehicles but does little more than punch little holes in building walls.
>>2462543After watching that Congressman Herrera video where some new amateur-made body armor survives multiple Raufoss rounds, I guess I'll buy what you said.
When the fuck is the Unification mod getting campaign support?
>>2462503>>2462400>hurrrI'm arguing that trannies who thought that was a good idea are too retarded to trust with balance. This would be an obvious conclusion if you weren't a retarded dog with a brain full of holes.
>>2462549>When the fuck is the Unification mod getting campaign support?The only DoW mod you need is gridkeys.
>>2462543>in real life, HE is very effective against buildings but much less so against heavy armor(unless it is very high caliber HE), AP is very effective against vehicles but does little more than punch little holes in building walls.This was last true in the 1940s
>>2462584HEAT and HE are not the same thing
>>2462583I am once again asking if Relic fixed grid keys in Definitive Edition by making them screen absolute, binding each key to the location on the screen, instead of to ability commands that *sometimes, but not always* are at the given location.
>>2462584Modern APFSDS used by tanks is probably even less effective at demolishing structures than old solid AP shells.
>>2462583nah I would like to play as thousand sons
>>2462584Wait til you find out what HEP is.
>>2462569You seem to be a retarded dog with a brain full of holes since you project your headcanon onto factual reality. The factual reality is that "competitive" PvP DoW2 means Elite Mod because vanilla DoW2 devs dropped the ball completely
Are we not gonna get new dow 4 news?
>>2461073>brotha i am pinned here
>>2447436I guess you could mod the Firstborn back in. Dunno how you'll remove the 'Crons though.
>>2449723Some of Deffo Edition's icons were upscaled versions of the originals. Thing is, some of them were super fucked up due to improper scaling methods. The majority were replaced with better versions later on, though.
>>2450148The wounds left by DOW 3 are still open. That's why we're worried still.Speaking of DOW3, I haven't seen the "Gothic Atmosphere, Kino" guy in months. Did he finally give up on shilling it?
>>2457545Astartes did.
>First fight for Necrons on Soulstorm campaign>Scour the entire map looking for the one building the Eldar still had>It was just barely outside their fucking baseI have no idea whether to be mad or not, but only the fucking AI would immediately research Webway Gate stealth
>>2463295To be fair anon, I went through the exact same shit every time with Necrons in Soulstorm campaign. There's one hidden webway gate somewhere on the map. I eventually resorted to cheats and swapping to the enemy side just to see where the fuck is it. Of course it was in bumfuck nowhere
>>2463295builder scarabs r qt
>>2462497>>2462502When I did the DC campaign, I decided to make a list of all the relic units granted to you for the Forward Base mission, with each faction:>Eldar: Avatar x1>Chaos: Bloodthirster x1 (This was right before DE's release so my info here may be off, but from what I recall the best you got was a Daemon Prince)>Imperial Guard: Baneblade x2>Tau: Greater Knarloc x3>Space Marines: Land Raider x2>Necrons: Restored Monolith x2>Orks: Squiggoth x2With the myriad other units you get plus all these relics, though, the mission is still fuckhard; it took me a couple tries as a couple races to destroy everything before my relics went down. What I did was get Deep Strike & Fury, then rush Forward Base ASAP before the enemy raises the territory's strength; 7-8 are bearable enough, but if it raises to 9, you're fucked. The enemy WILL get its own relic out and curbstomp you.Chaos definitely got the short end of the stick, though. Bloodthirsters are frail compared to other relics, you only get one and they just don't deal the fuckloads of damage that the others do to the buildings that stop the fuckin' relics from coming out in the first place.
>>2463311>>Chaos: Bloodthirster x1 (This was right before DE's release so my info here may be off, but from what I recall the best you got was a Daemon Prince)I'm a retard and forgot to clarify that the Daemon Prince is the best support you get alongside the other units—Chaos struggles in the mission even with this because they get nothing better.
>>2463295Soulstorm campaign is rife with bad decisions like forcing you to kill every building.My least favourite one is the planets, you start off fighting 1 faction in the starting planet like 5 games in a row or more if you start farming defense missions and the enemy AI very rarely leaves its starting planet.It kills the pacing for no reason as you're forced to fight the same faction over and over again
>>2463313Chaos in general kinda sucks in the first Dawn of War. They have very limited unit variety and most of them are shit. Not to mention the fact that they just went with the Khorne theme all the way through (with the sole exception of Horrors) rather than diversifying the lineup more.
>>2440941https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qzvTEOZro
>>2463622>Complete history in only 33 minutes>Made right now, while 4 is currently being developedIf it's a statement that 4 will suck ass like it's already been shown to then based I guess
>>2463419Getting rid of their own custom missile launchers and replacing the AV infantry role with newly-reworked Pink Horrors right after the base game was egregious. What were they thinking?
>>2463767>Getting rid of their own custom missile launchers and replacing the AV infantry role with newly-reworked Pink Horrors right after the base game was egregious.Wait were the Pink Horrors not part of the base roster originally?
>>2463831No, they were added in Winter AssaultVanilla DoW was the best imo
>>2463663Why do you people want this to fail so badly?I want this to succeed.I want to have a blast.
>>2463837That can’t be right because Winter Assault added Khorne Berzerkers. Also Horrors were in the base game’s campaign.
>>2463846>Why do you people want this to fail so badly?I come from a country that over the last 80+ years has been beaten into submission by history and communism. After such a long period of time of losing over and over, the vast majority of people not only give up hope but also turn their despair into derision. They cant take anything serious and mock any kind of attempt of making things better, or worse they encourage failures. This last part is even more pronounced with newer generations that didn't even live through the worst of it but learned the mocking behavior while growing up.I see very similar things happening in many other places/communities, one of them being fans of certain game series or game genres.tl dr answer: past performance is the best indicator of future performance
>>2463846>Why do you people want this to fail so badly?I don't want it to fail, but I know it will fail because the devs fresh previous ambitious project Iron Harvest turned out to be a smelly turd showcasing the devs have no idea how to design a good RTS game.We also know Games Workshop is incredibly involved in all new warhammer games, and their autistic approach to guarding the lore to the fucking letter in their gay little handbooks. Guarding the lore to the letter has no place in game design, which is why nearly all modern warhammer games are shit.E.g. Boltgun and Darktide are severely held back by GW's autistic insistence on keeping the environment bland generic grey shit everywhere always at all times. Because that's what they sell in plastic form and they keep treating warhammer video games as advertisements for their plastic shit. Completely missing the point and opportunity this medium provides, but thats what corporate niggers do - theyre useless and blind
>>2463851>That can’t be right because Winter Assault added Khorne Berzerkers. Also Horrors were in the base game’s campaign.WA made them into Chaos's anti-vehicle infantry. In vanilla DoW, CSM could have missile squads just like tac squads, while WA removed the missile upgrades from CSM to shoehorn them into a less-flexible role.
>>2463419>Not to mention the fact that they just went with the Khorne theme all the way through (with the sole exception of Horrors) rather than diversifying the lineup more.I mean that's kinda the way 40K media goes. Each decade pushes a different Chaos god - 2000s was Khorne, 2010s had Nurgle and now in the 2020s they're pushing Tzeentch. I expect 2030 to be the decade of Slaanesh.
>>2463977>I expect 2030 to be the decade of SlaaneshThere's no way Slaanesh is ever going to see any form of relevancy ever because not only are GW so safe and boring/scared to begin with, but true Slaaneshi representation would require a real 2d porn connoisseur to survive and thrive within said soul-sucking corporat environment. Slaaneshi corruption = Herm Tyranids/Skaven with giant horsecocks (multiple, not all between their legs) sucking themselves dry and raping and pissing on everything they can. Slaaneshi meddling = A Lord of Change not being able to enact his plans because he suddenly got horny and started commanding his army to breach his cloaca.The best we'll ever get is "muh drugs and rock music" and let's face it: "trans rights".
>>2464002>let's face it: "trans rights".that's truly demonic tho
>>2464002>dawn of war 5>campaign involves the blood ravens racing against time to stop the emperor's children from raping the entire population of an imperial hive world to deathKino
Why did GW make Relic use Blood Ravens instead of Ultramarines (thank fucking God, total Smurf death), but let the notoriously lore-broken Chaos legion of the game be changed from OC to the Alpha Legion?Sources: Steam trading cart art and >>2463622
>>2464224Wrong pic.
>>2464031>half the chapter gets manipulated into a daemon into trying to rape them first
>>2463311Any advice for orks specifically?
>>2464594let your squiggoths tank
>>2464224>Why did GW make Relic use Blood Ravens instead of Ultramarinesstorytelling freedom, something GW no longer grants licensed developers>but let the notoriously lore-broken Chaos legion of the game be changed from OC to the Alpha Legion?because Alpha Legion is the dedicated jobber faction of the 40k universe, their sole purpose of existence is to be heroically defeated by "the good guys">inb4 muh there are no good guysNearly all stories are told from the point of view of the Imperium and we are humans IRL so we are the good guys in that universe too, you can cope and seethe about it all you want but you know I'm right.
>>2464804>Alpha Legion the dedicated jobber faction>and Black Legion>and Tyrranids>and Eldar>and every non-SM faction actually>and the Lamenters
So apparently in Mission 4 there is this weird-ass bridge entity that only exists if you overextend the the Clan Wartrak base before your Whirlwinds finish taking care of the Clan Grim base at the start.I tried crossing it and I don't think it worked.Once I destroyed this Mek Shop it just spontaneously collapsed.
>>2464889Hey, I'm not the one in charge. Not my fault nor my problem. And don't act like other inter-faction warfare always ends up with SM or Imperium winning.
>>2455997No it was a cliffhanger that gets developed in Dark Crusade's SM campaign, and finally pays off by the end of Retribution.
>>2465650Sorry to say this anon but by now I've kinda gotten bored already, I stopped playing around the time of the ork campaign of the winter assault. It felt like every mission was just getting...boring.Maybe at some point I'll get back.
>>2461064Unpatched bugs and lack of polish, mainly. I haven't played either in years, but I remember the Great Unclean One had really janky animations that made him hard to use effectively in MP. Elite mod fixed those kind of issues, added GKs, and renovated the existing faction rosters (instead of flooding them with garbage like most DoW1 mods).
>>2465660>our glorious renovated rostersvs>their flood of garbage
>>2464224What is OC? Ordinary chaos or what does it mean? I don't recognise those colours
>>2465655That's completely understandable, I always found DoW1 and WA to be dull. I won't lie, Dark Crusade's missions aren't great either, but it has a hell of a lot more flavor in the characters and lore. Even the little stories you get from the "info" button on each territory are more compelling than anything in the previous 2 games.The actual blood raven story doesn't properly start until DoW2. However, it retroactively uses a lot from previous games if you pay attention, even Soulstorm.
>>2465664Well, elite mod (when I played) kept the same number of units, and they usually filled a similar role to what was replaced (ex: guardians replaced with dire avengers).Meanwhile, the big DoW1 mods add dozens of new units/structures with redundant variants. Some even put anime and gacha characters in them for the hell of it.
>>2465685original content. term used for fanmade stuff in an established setting, become standard for new things in spinoffs and such. they're saying relic were intending to use a legion of their own design, like the blood ravens are, instead of a pre-existing one.am i old? goddamn
>>2465738You're not old, he's just a dirty thirdie.
soulstorm sex mod?
Kroot and T'au stand as one
>>2465862>a picture of Kroot running to their death while the tau are hiding miles away from the action
>>2465981As the motherland- I mean the Greater Good requires. The Soviet- I mean the T'au Union- I mean Empire has a lot of filthy subhuman- I mean noble savage- I mean... fuck niggers okay
What happened with the dow1 apocalypse mod? I remember being in the discord years ago and seeing that it was basically all wiped at one point
Ahahahhahaha these idiots delayed the game till december 3rd its so fucking over,this shit gonna bury dow as a franchise harder then dow3 ever did
>>2466570There's no point to delaying it, from what I've seen they haven't learned anything from Iron Harvest and will repeat exactly the same mistakes. The issues with DoW4 are fundamental, like the maps are huge, units are tiny, and it just seems really boring and pointless. Just deathball gameplay, everything seems slow as fuck too, but maybe that's due to the tiny scale
Patch 2.10.0 is uphttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3556750/view/676254354515165506
>>2466652What a shit show. 10 mil tiny nerfs and buffs for a 20+ yold game like it's some live service crap. I'm so fucking glad I didn't buy the defective edition. Anniversary with some qol mods is all you need.Are these the exact same retards that are making dow4?
>>2466790>Are these the exact same retards that are making dow4?
The visibility/readability is so shit that they decided to put icons on units like in SupCom except in SC they are used for the strategic zoom, not when you're at ground level zoom.Official pic from steam btw. Full of fog and dust and muted colors. In an RTS.
>>2466799The scale is just fucking awful. Everything is beyond tiny. It's total war game design principles and not RTS ones
>>2466799>>2466819I mean look at this shit.Left, you can barely tell what the fuck you are even looking at.Right, you can very clearly tell you're looking at 3 wraiths, a necron lord, immortal squads and below then regular necron warrior squads. All unit silhouettes are instantly recognizable against any environment.Inb4 some midwit responds with muh graphics, no, that's not what the issue is. You can make a pretty game and make unit silhouettes easily discernible. It's one of RTS design principles, homework King Shart never did
>>2466823get glasses.
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