Happy 250th, 4chan!https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Leaked build footage. Scrapped Italy, unfinished Germany/US reworks and more.https://files.catbox.moe/pwkheh.png - Updated German rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/9ja39g.png - Himmler starting tree, releasing never.https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/3bwv2e.pdf - Japan rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdf - Japan Funada Design Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Gorky gets nuked now.https://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdf - France proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/7vqarx.png - France flowchart. Resistance is dead.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/u6ehum.jpg - Sweden flowchart. Updated 26.https://files.catbox.moe/7nxnlv.png - Finland re-re-rework.https://files.catbox.moe/z7t903.png - Norway rework.https://files.catbox.moe/cub16l.jpg - Denmark rework.https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne Insurrection proposal. Cut.https://files.catbox.moe/2k4kcw.png - Bichelonne flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: A dev is made to justify why his own proposal got cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov facelift/partial Komi rework doc.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Three years in dev hell.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Old Red Italy proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th space race mech rework.https://files.catbox.moe/nl2c1d.png - Moscowien rework #14.https://files.catbox.moe/n6diob.png - Ukraine rework/expansion.https://files.catbox.moe/4ds8jv.png - NuOstland map.https://files.catbox.moe/9zek9b.jpg - Pre-purge Italy rework, now cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - NuItaly flowchart.
Try to be positive at least for today. We can do it!https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - US rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/a03s7a.png - US 68 conventions.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/mm5f00.png - Connally tree. Full of seething.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - Hawaii crisis.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - Wallace tree.https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - Goldwater tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - Schlafly path.https://files.catbox.moe/no1w90.png - Schlafly update.https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/uvnwek.png - Ford.https://files.catbox.moe/cc2mf7.png - Rockefeller.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework. Do not share!https://files.catbox.moe/fwgmje.jpg - Reagan tree, updated 26.https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern 54 page campaign document.https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/dyqxez.png - Cuba flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/98hixl.png https://files.catbox.moe/p9kvqs.png - Space reworks #98.
PSA: There's a fake Frolicking and a real one. The normal one is a dev. You can stop arguing about this now.https://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png - DV Ugandahttps://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png - DV Kenyahttps://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png - DV Zanzibarhttps://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png - DV Liberiahttps://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png - DV South Africahttps://files.catbox.moe/uv7i9f.png - DV Niger.https://files.catbox.moe/zzb68p.png - DV Togo.https://files.catbox.moe/ye9081.png - DV Madagascar.https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2https://files.catbox.moe/gj8y34.png - Manchuria flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegriahttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatiahttps://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2https://files.catbox.moe/tdgpxb.png - Iran rework.https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegriahttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatiahttps://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.
He who reworks the past, erases his future.He who preserves the past, conquers the future.>LEAKED BUILDSDon't let them erase history. Don't let them lie to you that this never existed.2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuohttps://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions Endhttps://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Webhttps://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branchhttps://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides2025:https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch.https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.>DEV ROUNDTABLES/MISCPlease leak more of these.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 roundtable notes. Germany never.https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 roundtable notes. Bleak.https://files.catbox.moe/gilnye.pdf - 25/11/23 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/tqxb8j.pdf - 25/12/14 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/2hva9t.pdf - 25/12/28 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/lz8pzj.pdf - 26/02/15 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/5djcrc.pdf - 26/05/17 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/zppx1f.pdf - Internal Q&A 26 Q1.Stop replying to TNO jannies by the way.Always remember to exercise caution when opening files posted by strangers in the threads.
Literally nothing has happened and the worst rumors are likely overblown by their respective OPs.>TNO releases a teaser for a US teaser coming on the 21st.>TNO starts a second race for 600K against itself by briefly dropping below that number before eventually rebounding.>Russia team leadership replaced, makers of a submod without combat now in charge.>Anons discovered that members of said submod team actively fought people who like old TNO and told them to play reduxes instead.>Guangdong's lore is reworked, now legally a SEZ that's part of China, "should change absolutely no content.">TNO dev insists that this changes absolutely nothing and only requires changing a few lines of text; Anons freak out and expect skeletonization.>Italy content kicked back to design phase some time ago.>Loc leaker anon reveals that TNO is adding a CIA/FBI deep state ideology.>Panzer still salty about creating the TNO fanbase; entirely reasonable take.>Requiem updates, reviews are mid, wait for a patch.
>>2443680all the leaked builds are expired links :(
>>2443681>Loc leaker anon reveals that TNO is adding a CIA/FBI deep state ideology.The leak drought is so big this is what gets posted in the recap
>>2443804To be fair at least it's something interesting relating to the US. It probably sounds more interesting in my head though than it will pan out if it's ever released.
>>2443681>>Loc leaker anon reveals that TNO is adding a CIA/FBI deep state ideology.
You've been talking to mostly yourself for 250 threads. Wow. You should be... proud.
>>2443841Are you retarded? Can you not think of anything else "happy 250th" could mean?
There's a subtle hint to the obscure event it references in the second post's image.
>>2443845Finally met with jamal again? Congrats on the anniversary! Hopefully one day you'll get a second person to talk with in these threads.
Guys am the only one or is the captcha to write one fucking messege to long and annoying?
>>2443900You don't have an auto solver little bro? in the year of our lord 2026? You could pay an indian just pennies a month to do your captchas for you through an API if you really wanted.
whats an autosolver, is it a browser extension? whats the exact name of it?
>>2443933there are MANY utilities available to you to search these topics anon.https://desuarchive.org/https://archive.4plebs.org/https://arch.b4k.dev/https://archived.moe/https://archiveofsins.com/https://find.4chan.org/
>he needs help "solving" the captchasholy fuck.
>>2443947keep doing your captchas by hand saaarrr
>>2443950>verification is not required.get rekt, ranjesh
>>2443947Ouch. Yeah, I keep suffering through them doing them by hand and still being often slapped down with "Captcha failed, try again". Thanks for the help.
The requiem leaks from the last thread if anyone is interested.Flowcharts:Suriname - https://files.catbox.moe/yulnef.pngGermany - https://files.catbox.moe/p5sgz1.pngPanama (kek) - https://files.catbox.moe/76ian5.pngAfrica lore - https://files.catbox.moe/r02i87.pngGerman Africa - https://files.catbox.moe/5i9dib.png40 vatican paths - https://files.catbox.moe/ayambb.pngNorilsk - https://files.catbox.moe/ayambb.pngBurgundy - https://files.catbox.moe/r9ymyb.pngItaly - https://files.catbox.moe/o9im76.pngAmerica - https://files.catbox.moe/o9im76.pngIndonesia - https://files.catbox.moe/6jcvq8.pngIndia - https://files.catbox.moe/ofk0oj.pngGoring 1 - https://files.catbox.moe/ofk0oj.pngGoring 2 - https://files.catbox.moe/yi3rep.pngGoring 3 - https://files.catbox.moe/w9nc5h.pngUK flowchart - https://files.catbox.moe/unxgg3.pngUK piechart 1 - https://files.catbox.moe/iyhmos.pngUK piechart 2 - https://files.catbox.moe/z547f0.pngInternal stuff:Croatia rework! (everyone clap) - https://files.catbox.moe/hw7jpt.pngPlans - https://files.catbox.moe/hw7jpt.pngPortraits cope 1 - https://files.catbox.moe/wazchz.pngPortraits cope 2 - https://files.catbox.moe/c4ygvv.pngDocs:Norilsk - https://files.catbox.moe/ulxaz3.pdfTomsk - https://files.catbox.moe/1yub93.pdfIndia Skeleton- https://files.catbox.moe/dyvcq0.pdfIndia - https://files.catbox.moe/23vjey.pdfSBA - https://files.catbox.moe/01hx6k.pdfSBA 2WRW tree - https://files.catbox.moe/lctvs3.pdfUK proposal - https://files.catbox.moe/w8jqmr.pdfSakha proposal - https://files.catbox.moe/spaict.pdf
>>2443900>>2443984How on earth can you have issues with that? Do you use TOR and get slapped with extra complex ones of something?
>>2443804Even old TNO would’ve made it a contentless failstate for the Yockey or Hall Presidency.
>>2443985Whats the point of Requiem as for now? Im looking at Panama, India and Italy and they look oddly similar to the current TNO, is that really worth being a separate mod?
>>2444004Yes because we don't have to deal with Antarctica map and actually get to fight the 2WRW. Never having to worry about DV and so on is another plus. It's just like how RA is justified by being closer to the Panzer era. Having these be separate means that every taste can be catered to instead of having everyone fight all the time. If you dislike these mods in particular, you should be glad that the people that like that type of content have their own lane to drive in.
>>2444002The CIA/FBI couping Hall in particular and installing one of their own as their guy would've been a really kino outcome to his presidency, especially if you give it some proper context like it hinging on him trying to subdue the deep state in time. Fail to do so and you'd get a leader with the ideology from the original leak as president. Ideally though it wouldn't be a fail state but perhaps more of a Thurmond presidency where you spend the next however many years you have undoing everything Hall did, that'd be kino.
>>2444010So their justification is basically their inaction + 2WRW? Weird flex, especially because 2WRW was a separate mod once. Looking on Goering i see he doesnt declare war on the whole world anymore, that doesnt sound very Panzerite.Turns out modern TNO won in their struggle for realism (and thats a good thing).
>TNO is adding a CIA/FBI deep state ideologyThis sounds like Cognoscenti without the apocalyptic risk.So basically low-stakes Cognoscenti where getting Couped is somehow "horrible" and "fascistic" but it ends up being another "nothing ever happens" failstate...So ultimately the lesson is that "capitalism leads to fascism" is a nothing ever happens failstate?See this is the problem when you try to insert moral dilemmas into fiction writing. You get an absurd hypocritical mess where the reader can pick and choose which lessons to learn.
>>2444019Rises Again is the Panzerite mod.
>>2444025Ah i got it now. So is it any good?
>>2444050It is, added russo-german war with content for the 70s and new Speer, heydrich and speidel content as well as restoring old cut content from tno prime
>>2444050Just like Requiem it has its issues but it's a good facelift to the old Panzerite content with new additions and lots of fixes. The quality can be a bit hit or miss but so is a lot of the 1.0 content it pays tribute to. If you think that sounds fun you should definitely try it out. Depending on where you stand on omissions like the economy some of the omissions might even be positives in your book.
>>2444052>>2444062Got it thanks.
>>2444023this is what leak drought does to a man's brain. you have to imagine stuff to get mad at rather then actually having stuff to get mad at
>>2444023>If this thing I imagined in my head happens exactly as i imagined in my head it would be really badMental illness
>>2444121>>2444133>Hoyim are seething at schizos for dropping trvthnvke
TNO just crashes whenever i pick a nation to start, I'm running the newest HOI4 update. Any other faggot getting this or just me?
>>2444145Compatibility patch is not ready yet. Roll back to the previous HOI version.
>>2444154what one brother?
>>2444155I dunno, perhaps the last before the DLC, google the exact one.
>>2444160Tried them all. Nothing works. Guess it's vanilla for me
>>2444164Not even 1.18? Damn man, i dont know what to say. It might need to reload the game twice or thrice for it to apply the changes.
>>24441641.18.3 works for me. Maybe also disable the newest dlc?
>>2444136we literally have zero idea what the subid is even for and jumping to ''cognoscenti but bad'' is retarded, especially for a mod repulsive to anything fun (cognoscenti). occam's razor says it's probably just the gay ass subid for dark nixon
>>2444171>>2444167Thanks 1.18 works
Buckley and Fred Harris are gone. Buckley was replaced by this weird conservative Jack Kemp and Harris by Jerry Brown.
>>2444882Kemp
>>2444885Very recent change with KempBuckley was still trad republican in the leaked yippie buildBrown was already the activist
>>2444895>Very recent change with KempChange how? He looks like a young Trump by the way.
>>2444899I meant that in last years leaked yippie build, Brown is the activist candidate and Buckley is the trad republican candidate So presumably the switch to Kemp happened within the last year
>>2444904The wheels of reworking keep reworking I guess.
>>2444904He makes more sense than Buckley as TradRep at least lol
>More centrist genericaYockey died for this.
>”take those orange bastards down” in one of the first events of hart presidency I thought the TDS claims were exaggerated lol
did you guys see this lol
>>2444882>>2444885‘76 candidates Im guessing?
Was there something I was supposed to do during the reclamation to get Free France to join the OFN after liberating the mainland? They’re in the Iberian sphere and I missed out on Burgundian collapse content because of it.
>>2445025France only joins Iberia's sphere if America fucks up the post WAW reconstruction.
>>2445025You failed the west african reconstruction mechanic.
>>2445008yeahbtw does anyone know who Ted Kennedy's running mate is? (Jackson's is Jimmy Carter IIRC)
>>2444989>Person is purged>"He was evil and did literally no work for several years!"No idea who it is but if he's getting the full Yezhov treatment...
>>2445077he was the japan lead so maybe the no work line is actually true here
>>2444899>He looks like a young Trump by the way.Looks even more like him older imo
>>2444882Do 1976 candidates have any content?
>>2445124No, Yippie content ends with their inauguration in January 1977
>>2445124What'd the point even be? Most of the world just grinds to a halt before 1970.
>>2445139Don't worry anon, they will rework the rest of the world.:)
Vote pig is so freaking cool. Mangochad is awesome
>>2445139IIRC the plan is for the DV and V+J skeletons to run up to 1976 to give the player some proxies to do in the last few years.
>>2445343Anon, it's been half a decade. Stop lying to yourself. V&J is never coming out. At least DV might but I could do without reminders that the OFN mandates are a thing of the past.
>>2445359DV, Amur, and the first two years of V+J (and presumably the skeleton surrounding that) are being merged into Yippie, it's mentioned in one of the roundtables at the start of the thread.
New toozerhttps://files.catbox.moe/jrpi4z.png
>>2445371control+F war no results found
>>2445370The fact that it took them six years to make a two year demo isn't exactly filling me with confidence, nor does the increased scope or mentions of a tag that's been in dev hell for three by a team that just got its leader purged.>>2445376If you read between the lines it seems like the Ostland CW is gone since it'll include a reworked Belarus.
>>2445382There are some videos of Amur playthroughs on the bili bili from late last year that look pretty finished. The lead change is concerning but considering their goal is still for it to be out by the end of 2026 I'm going to huff copium and say that they're not stupid enough to change too much this close to release.
>>2445384You're overdosing on copium if you think that the one time they deliver something on time it'll be the most overscoped update in the history of the mod.
>>2445371If they really go through with the Ostland rework it would be the last straw for me. From that point onward I will consider nuTNO to be urinonic nazi apologia and every nudev who hasn't resigned yet an abbhorent human being who's not just an idiot making a bad mod but someone who failed morally and must be shamed out of the community.
>>2445391(You)this is the nazi chud site you supreme retard
>>2445394Go back to /pol/. Actually, I'd sooner trust /pol/ to make a compelling pro-Nazi narrative than a bunch of liberals that are mostly driven by anger towards America.
>>2445404>than a bunch of liberals that are mostly driven by anger towards the actions of jews controlling americaWtf do you think the nazis were dude, it's in the name, national SOCIALIST
>>2445387Probably. I try to keep a positive attitude though, there's nothing to be gained from dooming.>>2445391It was a hoax. Ostland is mentioned in a focus effect.
>>2445410That's not a definitive proof. An ostland leak showed ostland still being tag (it's just reduced to Riga)
>>2445412Yes but the focus is about arming the RKs to deal with partisans, so it wouldn't make sense to send weapons to a tag that only exists in one city.
>>2445389???
>>2445415Ostland is technically their overlord so maybe only ostland has an army but that's just pointless speculation at this point
>>2445031>>2445032I didn’t even get the reconstruction in global conflicts. I had assumed it was removed in an update.
devs are lying or the NuOstland teaser was fake/scrapped, call it anon
>>2445787>NuOstland teaserIts still tfo
>>2445787>Asking the "we're not integrating DV" guy anything Good one.
>>2445787The ostland toozer was from that 80s continuation mod. I rember one of the tno devs saying they disagreed with the setup.
>>2445833It was Kateryna that said that he hated it before being appointed to rework the tag just like he seems to rework everything else in the region. Doesn't really matter though since the place is getting reworked and all wars are either being removed, gimped or turned to GUI slop. At that point idrc if it's closer to Weld's version of not.
Posted this on nppfunny earlierhttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JVxm06fw9x0SHcZz6S0arXD4FQ7n-Ael?usp=drive_linkHere's the full dev build of Yippie.More shall come in the coming days
A bunch of TNO flowcharts, a few old, most newhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1trhQYcWknE24iA7K0KEFiKtWLQvxJWJo/view?usp=drive_link
>>2445900Cool virus
>>2445900Even IF it's not malware, there will not be even one retard who would download it.
>>2443680Can anyone send new links that have leaked content available to download? (not viruses)
>>2445907Not downloading this unless you send some charts here directly to prove it's not a virus.
>>2445900>>2445907The only retard desperate enough to fall for this is Cryshist.
>>2445907this was intact posted on NPPfunny with a bunch of charts and it hasn't been taken down so it might not be a virus but i sure as hell not gonna test it
>>2446033Same with the "Yippie" devbuild
>>2446033Upload the individual charts to Catbox then?
>>2446040yea the guy who posted the link here can do that I'm not him lol
>>2445900>>2445907>>2446033>>2446034https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/s/aEQA5WYWvqThe NPPfunny post and the flowcharts are indeed real and a lot of it's new. The leaker claims to be a dev and he's livid about Mango turning TNO into a vanity project and forcing everyone to work on it. He's also mad at DV for being racist somehow. Seems like another leftie dev that just snapped because the entire project is just a wasted effort of crappy plans that go nowhere. He's also mad about them abolishing all elections I guess since he calls Mango a dictator.
>>2446040They are real. I uploaded the new ones.https://files.catbox.moe/kbt0ky.png Puerto Ricohttps://files.catbox.moe/ekymoh.png New Canadahttps://files.catbox.moe/kt4nfa.png Congohttps://files.catbox.moe/nry6h6.png Fijihttps://files.catbox.moe/fuw8zc.png New Argentina
>>2446048I mean, DV actually is sort of racist. It implies if you replaced the figures from African independence movements, you'd still end up with OTL, implying Africans lack agency.
TNO IS SAVED THEY'RE FINALLY MAKING REAL CONTENT14 YEARS OF FIJI CONTENT HAS BEEN MEMED INTO REALITY
>>2446049>Irrelevant island that'll just be a vehicle for whining about American racism>4th rework of a tag that won't do anything that matters, normal parties only>DV OTL slop>FIJI>Another Argentina reworkI can't fucking take this any more this is beyond parody.
>>2446049I sent you a dm via reddit offering my stuff, here’s the new manchuria flowchart to prove i’m legit
>The fucking leak trader is back
>>2446065I just want to use him as an intermediary because I don’t want to get exposed. He can post everything I give him and I give him explicit permission to do so
>>2446068If he’s leaking everything he has, I might as well do the same since he might not have stuff I have like the germany gitI just want to use him as an intermediary
>>2446064What happened in Manchuria development to where last years Park Chung Hee/Takagi Masao teaser is already outdated
>>2446064Cryshist YOU AUTIST IM NOT A FUCKING LEAKER IM TELLING YOU AGAIN I JUST DOWNLOADED THE ARCHIVE AND UPLOADED FLOWCHARTS TO CATBOX
>>2446082Just read the flowchart, the reason they give is that they want to make park closer to his irl character by making him a japanophile deeply inspired by japanese militarism. He still has his pan asianist larp but it’s more militarist and centered on making manchurian culture more japanese It’s not as though park wants to turn manchuria into a japanese prefecture, it’s that he views chinese culture as backwards and since he is fundamentally a modernist, he wants to advance manchuria by making it culturally closer to japan
>>2446083Not cryshist, also chill tf out man I just replied to the wrong post not that big a deal
>>2446093Fine enoughThe reason I said that is because he still calls himself by his Japanese name and the Manchuria isn't declared a republic
>>2446099the japanese name thing seems to be a cultural thing within the manchurian army as korean civilian ministers sometimes keep their korean names while others voluntarily japanize their names manchuria is an odd place
>>2446049Your Argentina flowchart is probably outdated, it contradicts some stuff in the most recent roundtable.
>>2446126I think so tooSilverImperator (argentina dev) was very open about nuArgentinaA lot of this flowchart contradicts what he was saying
A guy on KF got the leaked US rework build up and running and confirms that the V&J demo plans are included in the batch. This means that in the time it took to wage the real WW2 TNO's progress can be summarized with: Econ system, Guangdong, replaced all US content, made a demo for a new Germany, and replaced all of Africa with a skeleton. Poster also notes that they're joking internally about everything taking forever.
>>2446167also the file is unzipped so the dev may have doxed himself just to own mango
>>2446176There's a zipped version on KF.
>>2446178thanks, thought it was still unzipped. It’s fucking nuts that this leaked tho we gotta comb through everything in this bitch
>>2446187He dropped absolutely everything so Mango must've really pissed him off with his purges and overall bullshit towards people. Knowing how TNO works though I expect absolutely nothing to happen since most regular devs are total cattle that enjoy crunching and the leads will never change anything.
Good lord, I cannot even load the pixeldrain website. It keeps being stuck on the spinning wheel. Hopefully they wont take it down right in front of my eyes.
>>2446196Don’t worry, the farmers will post the git in so many ways and times that they can never take it down forever
>>2446167Me too lazy to install this shit so i expect reports on progress made by the devs and screenshots.
>>2446213tl;dr it's not releasing when they said it is and the only real takeaway is that they patched their US build before their public version which makes me think that it's really true that people there don't know how to properly operate a Git like we saw with Iberia.
>>2446208Got it running technically, but all I can get is the vanilla HOI4 loading screen and music for some reason.
>>2446217Apparently they're releasing a patched version on Friday so I think they got their act together after last time.
Yeah, the leaked build doesnt work for me. All it ends up loading is the vanilla HOI4, unchanged, despite having a playset set up.
Leaked build from kiwifarms does work for me. I'm hoping its not a virus
>gatekeeprs btfo by a redditor
>>2446269As guy on KF is playing the Germany demo now and has confirmed that it's a completely unfinished dumpster fire. He's posting screenshots too.
>>2446276He said the effects work they just don’t have locs which is a good problem to have. Plus they got 5 ish months to get it done. I’ll have to get my hands on it first to assess damages tho
>>2446295Selective coping since he also said that damn nea everything was completely unfinished. But I'm going to assume that the US content is more complete. I just didn't expect the German content to be this dire.
Amur seems to be 90% done, almost all focuses have loc and events, gui mechanics are ok
>>2446192Mango is his own worst enemy. Classic tale of hubris and ego bringing about someone’s downfall, if he just kept his fucking mouth shut he wouldn’t have half the problems he has.
>>2446309People have told me this since 2024.
>>2444989I have a schizo theory: Since the leaker called Mango a fucking dictator that bans everyone this pointless purge may have caused the leak.
>>2446312i think it’s 5shi
>>2446311Here's the loc file from the leaked build, look through it yourself.https://files.catbox.moe/0yt6cm.yml
>>2446357I don't care any more. The mod is dead.
Now i feel embarassed for caring about nu-tno in the first place
Same. If I knew that this is where it'd all end up I wouldn't even have bothered. Imagine throwing away several years of your life on this dogshit just to end up being unfavorably compared to some troon's drunken roleplay notes.
OK, I think this is a scam. I cannot get the leaked build to play at all. It just plays vanilla HOi4, as if the launcher doesnt recognize the mod. Either that or I am retarded.
>>2446064literally NEVER releasing, why the fuck did they rework EVERYTHING, the leaker even said it was 90% finisheduseless piece of shit team
I just woke up, what happened or tl;dr of everything?
like 10 percent of vote pig has been made, with 0 working GUIs. There are no localizations, no effects, no events, no focuses Almost all of the content in the leaked build was already toozed on reddit.
>>2446399Christ, I get that implementation always lags behind design to a degree but this isn't a good sign.
>>2446398An angry dev ragequit TNO, doxed himself, leaked their Git and revealed that the German demo is an unfinished mess and that Vote Pig's a poor man's Guangdong. We also know that the Nixon tree is completely based and that Mango's asshurt looped around to making him awesome. Basically everything 4chan's suspected for years has been confirmed and this shit ain't releasing anytime soon. It's a complete disaster.
You know you people can look at the file structure to see that it's an actual hoi4 build, right? Not a single non text or hoi4 file in the entire folder.
Why is the Reddit not talking about this?
>>2446404The dev doxing himself is the best part of this saga. How can you be so retarded that you use google drive to leak a git and then use your full real name instead of a burner that is an impressive level of stupidity even for the shit around here
>>2446413NPPfunny is. Or was, at least. Kateryna's F5ing the Reddit every five seconds and will ban anyone that even mentions it though so obviously you're not going to see anything there.
>>2446404Post Nixon's tree, what's it like?
>>2446380You're retarded, i've been playing it fine.
>>2446414Bold of you to assume this was my real name and burner :3
>>2446404>>2446427>>2446167I don't know how to safely play it so I'll just have to wait for someone to post more screenshots or take a video of everything in it.>>2446429If I was the dev who "doxxed" himself I would make up a fake name to troll people lol, well played if thats true.
>>2446429If your the dev dev, prove it by posting the manchuria git.Also the only way to prove that isn’t your name is by posting your full name and address
>>2446426Nixon's tree makes him into a a TDS liberal's version of Trump. He's a cartoon vallian and just as comically evil as everyone had hoped for and it's GLORIOUS. It's the biggest black propaganda backfire I've seen in ages.>>2446437Go to the KF thread. People are posting their playthroughs. It's completely fucked.
>>2446443LOL i come back from looking at KF to see your reply, yeah this is really fucked, some of the stuff looks kinda kino though.
>>2446447Nixon looks good and Amur looks like it could be fine but I don't care about all their reworks at this point. Everything else is shit and the entire Reich team needs to fucking rope themselves for lying about their progress for years.
>>2446450If they can get this update out in reasonable time, lets say before this time 2027, then I won't be totally disappointed. I like some of the changes and once it's finish it could grow on me.
how do i get to the KF thread (i've never done it before, don't bug me)? does someone have a link or smtg?
Does anyone know if any of Connally's stuff was in the leak, other than Nixon, Connally seems pretty based.
>>2446462Idk if you have to make an account on KF but just go to the search bar and type in TNO and you'll see it.
the google drive file refuses to download, its endlessly preparing for download, am i the only one with this problem?
>>2446464You don't need an account just to read the thread. Starts at 910.
>>2446427Strange. I will try downloading it from the original Google download link since Pixeldrain may be broken.
>Kateryna is spamming them with takedown requests
>>2446483Nevermind, got it. I just had to fix up the descriptor.mod files.
>>2446443This Nixon tree needs to be used in a mod somehow, it's too kino to throw away.
>>2446443>TNO released Dark MAGA before TFR did
I downloaded the mod from the drive and got it to work, it downloaded in two separate zip files but by combining them i managed to boot into country selection. Crashed as i loaded into a country but it's somewhat close.
>>2446539check your game version any version before 1.19 will crash your shit
>>2446541I'm running 1.18.3.
I'm shamelessly using AI to try to figure out why It's crashing since I'm not great at syntax, I'll probably reply again if i get it working.
>>2446546Yeah go to the most recent version, anything other than that is a guaranteed crash
>Have your Antarctica update be smashed by a smaller redux's okayish Africa update >Have both reduxes beat you to getting the comp patch out >Repeatedly mogged by TFR who release a world conquest route for America >Have your first update in ages get buried by a meme match between two political ecelebs >Get surpassed by TFR on Victory Day>Lose the race to 600k to TFR despite having a 150k lead and multi year head start>Fall below 600k subs again and struggle to get back >Delete all your progress on several tags>Have your lead perform multiple purges, miss all targets>Purge survivor leaks all your shit because he hates you now>Entire world learns that you achieved nothing in five years and lied about your progress >Get laughed at by thousands on social media 2026 sure has been the year of TNO.
>>2446547what the fuck do you expect AI to do?
>>2446549I'll try that, descriptor file does say 1.18.3 but they may not have updated it.
>>2446553read the crash logs for me..
>>2446555Yeah they didn’t update the descriptor. i’m using the one from KF so i’ll have to wait until my version downloads before I can troubleshoot
Yeah I'm in the game now and it seems to be running fine so far, newest version it is.
At least Amur looks promising. You would hope so after 3 years of radio silence from Russia dev, but it's a small win in a sea of Ls.
Most American focus tree's structures are finished and about half have actual effects from what I've seen, it depends on the president of course but some seem pretty alright, lacking flavor and art of course.
>>2446566It was nearly finished several years ago then abandoned until this year. It's still a massive fucking L because they just sat on a mostly finished build for this long but refused to do anything with it because Mango, QPQ, Lamounier and Kateryna aren't involved with its development.
>>2446566If amur is the quality of content for russia, I think the player base will be very pleased. Still it’s quite a high bar to clear and I have no clue if they can pull it off more than twice, especially considering how many tags russia compared to everywhere else
>>2446572*how many tags russia has* typed too fast sorry
So, if the devs really are this shitty is there really anything we can do? does anyone see any hope in the project?
The hart tree, i feel like all the trees have a pattern of being super big and jammed together, it's hard to identify what focus follows which path, could be intentional but it doesn't look as nice.
>>2446572I'll be real, after seeing how fucking shit everything else is I don't even care about Amur. Shit looks like CWIC. I actually feel bad for the Russia devs that got attached to this sinking ship.>>2446576I think it's over to be honest. The Germany DEMO being this incomplete is where the line is drawn for me and the fact that there are tons of missing events in the beginning alone proves that they lied about their progress. Literally the only positive thing left is Emperor Nixon.
>>2446580This is so fucking ass. The readability is just awful. I bet you half of them are 21 day focuses that have minimal effects and drop a preachy event.
>>2446581Starting to feel like that dev who wanted too scrap Guangdong in order to have a "Cool setup with warlords" or smth.
>>2446585Fuck that doesn't make any sense, i was supposed to say that i'm starting to feel like the dev is actually in control.
>>2446584I believe most are 7 day focuses but yeah I agree way to jam packed
>>2446580It looks smaller than the current hart tree
>>2446595I think it’s because it’s more vertical than the first iteration, It looks to be about the same to me maybe a couple more focuses?
>>2446595The focus trees are a lot more compact in yippie I guessGuangdong has a comparatively massive looking tree but that's because all of the focuses are further apart
>>2446600The layout matters alot for me, Guangdong does it really well but all the yippie trees seem to be pushed together instead of allowing the player too choose what to do first.
>>2446591>They're all 7 day focusesThese people literally never played the game lmao
How's the damage control going to look after this? It's pretty much confirmed now that they lied about the progress internally and that this thing's not releasing in a couple of months as promised under any circumstances. Are they just going to ban people left and right and then try to go back to business as usual like nothing happened?
>>2446605Mango openly talked about today's leak on tnocord in an "I don't give a shit" tone while talking about his ultimate goal being to deliver the update to the player baseHalf the tnocord already knew about the 4chan leaks even before todayIt'll probably just be a policy of "don't directly speak about what was leaked and use euphemisms instead"
>>2446612You'd think that he'd at least want to do something. The leaker actually gave some fair criticisms like how he makes everyone work on America and made himself a dictator as soon as he took over the mod. That and he keeps doing purges and scraps content he isn't interested in. Seriously, how can all of them just act like this is normal?
>>2446614The leaker provided no proof of really anything besides the status of the yippie buildIt's all a big he said she said until receipts start coming out
>>2446618Nigga he's canceled all elections after taking power and we've had several screenshots of him talking about banning devs, one in this very thread even. This is all objectively true.
>>2446619>He's canceled all elections after taking powerNever heard about that. Do you have any screenshots>screenshots of him talking about banning devsThat was the most obvious joke in existence
>>2446619Democracy is retarded in real life and especially in hoi4 mods. Rare Mango W
>>2446622I can't take screenshots because they stopped having elections. Before then they had them. If you go back far enough in the archives you can see people talking about them here. The last one was between Mango, Bassist and Corn in 2024. After Mango won they shut them down for good. That's what the dev's complaining about because not only is the leadership inept but they have no means of changing it.
>>2446064Wow… this is terrible. Legitimately not a single intresting path or idea to be found. Why the hell did they scrap the old one
>>2446627Don't forget that Corn was ran as a spoiler candidate solely to cuck Bassist. But if you made a path where this happens they'd call it unrealistic because it didn't happen IRL.>>2446624
>>2446627Were leadership elections something that happened on a regular basis or did the previous lead before Mango resign/leave the team
>>2446634They happened a few times a year. I think it was every three or four months. The point of the whole thing was to prevent another situation where Panzer had complete power.
>>2446637okay having elections that often is kinda asking for a "strong"man to centralize power ngl
>>2446638It's more like he just strongarmed everyone and made the mod into his own personal project at everyone's expense. Again just look at the build that leaked. Germany, the main tag of the mod? In complete shambles, five years to not finish a demo. Then compare it to the progress of the US rework and it's clear that's where all resources are going. Not that democracy is perfect but they really rolled snake eyes when the system was abolished.
>>2446614people here act like libs with the Mueller report when it comes to Mango.
>>2446643I dont think it's mangos fault that the Germany designers are lazy and or reworking everything
>>2446648Fair. And I'll give Mango this: his content is at least funny when it's at its worst so while I get what the leaker was saying back there... Is it really such a bad thing if he's siphoning resources from Reich to give us the superior Nixonreich?
>>2446643i wonder if the mod's gonna get any better after he resigns (which is why this update is so big btw. he's a gloryhound and so desperate to go out with a win he'll fuck over all the other teams to do it) but i doubt it will
>>2446661>Mango leaves>Lamounier & Kateryna take over>Shit becomes so bad that Mango gets a Panzer-style redemption arc>"At least Nixon was kino", "Remember when we could nuke Haiti?"
>>2446662i actually can't wait for that it's gonna be so fucking funny. genuinely desu i'm a bit of NuTNOhead (yeah i'm a fag i know) but looking at these leaks has made me lose all confidence in the team. they actually DO just rework everything. they are almost certainly going to rework the US in like 5 years after Mango's gone if they don't die by then, which very well could happen at this point, yippie is giving very big death knell energy
Are some of you retards trolling when you praise Mango or not, I can’t read past the irony poison anymore. Sure the Nixon stuff can be enjoyed as an ironic power fantasy thing but come on, I can just play TFR if I want power fantasy, not this faggot’s libwank that’ll never come out anyway. Fuck this I’m out.
>>2446671Nearly everyone hates Mango. The people who say that they like his stuff almost exclusively refer to Nixon becoming a Donald Trump dictator stand in or how America is so evil that they nuke blacks for fun. It's lolcow behavior. But since he's still comical in his brain rot that puts him above the Reich team which is entirely boring and awful.
>>2446674Well then why hasn't folks on TNO would just revolt against Mango and kick him out?
>>2446676Because the leadership is just his friend circle and the fact that they have no coders and that all their shit leaked is the revolt.
>>2446629The only one I remotely semi agree with is the new park path but yeah the rest sucks. Even the devs internally hated this dogshit
>>2443674Is the votepig doc here largely the same as what was leaked today or does the leak have more?
>>2446707vote pig and yippie have quite a few differences, mostly different presidents/vice presidents/cabinets etc alongside different lore (VP has the US nuking brussels and other highly memed things wheras Yippie doesn't have any nukes set off during ww2 at all) if ur interested still give it a read but understand it's not the same
>>2446707VP is like 3 years old at this point, there are a lot of changes.
>>2446580Here's the new Germany tree for selecting the successor after hitler's health starts failing.
>>2446768This might be the worst use of split focuses I've ever seen. There are so many ways to include these choices without being this much of a cluttered mess.
>>2446772Why? It doesn't look cluttered to me.
>>2446614The leaker is probably just a sperg who fell out of favour over something minor considering he was seething about DV being "racist" and Italy "whitewashing fascists" (which is an odd take if the nuitaly flowchart is still up to date). Of course he's right about development being strangled but I doubt that's the actual reason he leaked it all.
>>2446776The six thousand split choices in multiple layers that are tightly packed on the left side. Everything else is just whatever.>>2446783Still a hero.
>>2446826Focus tree branches made up of a series of mutually exclusive focuses building on top of eachother is pretty standard, you see plenty of identically laid out trees in TFR. Claiming its the worst use just seems hyperbolic, if anything it's a throwback to panzerite TNO
>>2446856Ok dev.
>>2446856>Having an entire branch be an interconnected grid of split focuses is completely normal>This chud mod that I hate does it>But the example of it that I'll use is an old focus tree that all devs called shit and have been struggling to replace for six years
>>2446896
>>2446904It's not good when other mods do it either, retard. But at least theirs are slightly spaced out which helps with the readability but it's still not good imo.
>>2446912It's better than that bleached focus tree which had pointless mutually exclusive focuses that did nothing because previous focuses already prevented you from doing the others
>>2446913>pointless mutually exclusive focuses are you stupid? it's a focus tree about boosting the different fuhrer candidates before the succession crisis or whatever. of course it's going to have a bunch of mutually exclusive focuses. some of you will literally become retarded to try and make some dumb point about TNO instead of just pointing at it for being dogshitit still is way too compact tho
>>2446928What? I was talking about this
>>2446580The Nixon tree they publicly teased a while back has better spacing so it's possible that they just haven't got around to it yet.
>>2446938>You misplace the icons first on purpose so you can fix it laterYou have no idea how any of this is implemented, do you?
>>2446935ahhhh okay I'M the retarded one sorry i'll sit my white ass down and listen now
>>2446904Global Maoist revolution soon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLotkf8bDZ4
>>2446949aren't the positions just an arbitrary x and ywhat would the problem be with spacing focuses as a last step when you know for sure what all the parts are
>>2446994You don't do it because then you have to do it twice and congrats now you have to adjust the positioning of all those icons that you jammed together for no reason. If it obviously looks cramped and bad you should space it out right away instead of correcting all icons at the same time. It's just a lot of extra work for absolutely no reason. The devs should just use that program they make their millions of flowcharts in and figure out their trees first that way.lbh though the real reason some look like this is because the people responsible have no fucking clue what they're doing while Mango and QPQ have at least booted up HOI4 at some point in their lives.
>vst has been reduced to criticizing the kerning in focus trees
It's amusing.The original TNO shitposting sub (the late DSRfunny) was under dev control, if you were banned there you'd get banned in the main sub and vice-versaBecause people were too edgy, they shut it down, so NPPfunny was made under user-control, which became a haven for people who dislike the new direction of the mod. If they had never shut DSRfunny down, the leaked things would have never gained as much traction.
>>2447034The leaker probably would’ve gone to a different subreddit like r/hoi4modding
>>2447123I don't think they'd tolerate leaks, at least back in the day. But since everyone there hates TNO and the devs they might just let that slide nowadays.
>>2447034was it the TNOdevs that shut down DSRfunny? was always under the impression that it was reddit itself because the whole like, posting the manifesto of the buffalo shooter thing
>>2447129wait wtf
>>2447260yeah no someone posted the manifesto like right after the shooting because it had a black sun in it and went ''tno reference'' and then the sub got nuked
>>2446935What is this even from?
>>2447418Incredibly rare reddit gem
>>2443680the links for the 2023 builds are outdated
>ends the draft>codifies civil rights in federal employment>creates the EPA>resigns after a controversyand he is the super nazi MAGA path???
>>2447531Kateryna or some other janny spammed the host with with hundreds of takedown requests for all the leaked builds and this is how they spend their days.>>2447581It's more about contemporary people that they hate. Schlafly was just a random activist IRL but is turned into a dictatorial Christian fascist in the game (wtf based) because it's supposed to represent what Mango and QPQ hate about the Christian right in America as they see it. Actually representing people used is just an afterthought.
>>2447581More like the PRI, apparently.
>>2447588Honestly Schlafly stuff would be way less obnoxious if it was far right/fascist movements slowly co-opting the New Right until she becomes a puppet to them, rather than her just inexplicably being one.
>>2447581It's less "super nazi MAGA" and more "paranoid insecure guy who'll do anything for power", which isn't all that far off IMO.
RAPE TNO KILL TNO
I transheart TNO
Do you guys have leaks regarding Russian warlords content?
>>2448235All we know is that they plan on releasing Amur alongside the Germany demo but that shit is completely fucked and the Amur build that leaked is indistinguishable from the leaked video released years ago. Shit's fucked.
>>2447419I found it on bleached booru
new Requiem update announced - Poyekhali! Post-unification content for Ultravisionary Russia led by Nikolai KardashevPlus skeletons for Italy and Croatia
>>2448417>Komi contentIt's about time someone did it.
>>2448417the italy skeleton is mildly shit if the leaked flowchart is true,expecially compared to the first ever iteration of PW
>>2448417SNCA
>>2448417>still no 1.19 compat patch new content is probably gonna be fun when it releases next next
I might just make a submod for Requiem that's just the finished version of the leaked PW.
>>2448498Gigabased
>>2448498Honestly that's a pretty based idea, Godspeed.
new kakazh toozer
>>2448498Epic gamer moment
>>2448498I was thinking of doing something similar someday (i have no modding experience lol)and calling it tno: director's cut
>>2448537NO MORE FUCKING GUI SLOP FUCKING STOP ALREADY
>>2448537>shitty skeleton gets a 2 button minigame that changes their colorbrb killing myself.
>>2448544I think the main takeaway is that you'll now gain the tag via a PP dump minigame instead of invading them like you did in the past. It really is just a massive rework meant to either remove gameplay or simply make it more restricted/unfun.
>>2448544>>2448549sorry chud we can't let ruSSia invade countries or do something thats warslop and unrealistic
KF W by just having the original content instead of the latest Denmark GUI.
>>2448551Good. Total übermensch victory and total Bolshevik death. Sieg Heil! To the Urals we go
Can anyone tell the TNO RA Dev to integrate and finish the 2022 build of PW into the mod? I have no access to my email and I am too lazy to make a KF account
>>2448562This mod is unironically one the finest pieces of fascist propoganda ever >european empires dominate africa and exploit the ever living shit out of africans >Fascist italy and germany are “whitewashed” and communist paths are removed >Nazi rule in the east can actually be a positive and bring more industry, Wealth, and autonomy than OTL >Russia can only hope to beat the germans in the 2wrw by using a nuclear bomb to create an EMP to knock out german forces, any other paths are basically an automatic loss >When the united states attempts nation building in the congo, it completely blows up just like otl while european colonies are relatively stable minus a rebellion here and there>The americans actually cause MORE loss of life than the europeans by interfering with european colonies and destabilizing them to the point of civil war >Fascism as a concept does not have any stigma and is as accepted as socialism in our timeline Yup I think this is a total chud victory here, and i’m supposed to dislike the devs for this why?
>>2448598Because it isn't fun. And all those victories are hollow because there's no gameplay or struggle.
>>2448601You have a ton of new proxy wars in latin america and especially africa. Most of the new africa content directly involves using volunteers to btfo your opponents. I mean it’s a mod set in the cold war, expecting gigantic wars like ww2 when both sides have nuclear weapons is a bit optimistic. It’s not like the US would be willing to directly invade the reich since they would know that the eastern sea board would light up like a christmas tree the second an american boot hits the shore. Same goes for france or hell any direct invasion of western europe
>>2448607Why is it so difficult for you to understand that this is shit almost no one wants? It's soulless garbage. Petty bush wars over who gets to influence which African strongman. At every turn, you made the most boring tripe imaginable. It isn't just about the scale but you also need to give people a reason to care. Also all those things could be done you just don't want them to. No one on the team has any interest in the kind of content people would associate with HOI4 and that's why they reworked the entire setting to remove any chance for that happening and painstakingly erased what little was there on launch. This is by design and then you make a hundred years of Fiji content and wonder why everyone makes fun of you.
>>2448618I mean sure that one instance of a border war getting teased is a bit comical, But a ton of african proxies are large conventional wars with volunteers like operation victoria, the congo crisis, The invasion of mali by france, The angolan war of independence, and the war between kamerun and nigeria Also what do you mean that you have to give a reason for people to care? I’m genuinely curious, because when you intervene in places like malaya, the philippines or indonesia, do you really care about the locals of that area or do you care that your enemy is getting fucked over? It’s really the same for africa, you play the proxies to expand your sphere of influence and fuck over your opponents, that’s the reason why you care. Sure it’s not invading le ebil gigantic blob empire with le heckin wholesome south africans. But this is a mod about the cold war in an axis victory and portraying what that would be like, not being a man in the high castle/wolfenstein rip off with america sticking around
>>2448624>Also what do you mean that you have to give a reason for people to care?Blue Team VS Red Team isn't the same as Axis VS Allies and everything that comes attached with it. Similarly, pro-OFN strongman VS pro-Sphere strongman is soulless. You're essentially arguing for picrel unironically, robotically equating economic units and a bland representation of an ideology's influence in Nowheristan as reasons to fight.Meanwhile people care about the ACW and the European Wars in TFR because it has clashes between extremely different ideologies. It has strong characters, armies with distinct religious political, social and religious beliefs that put their lives on the line either to change the world or preserve what they hold dear and deem to be worth fighting for. Even in the smaller conflicts, you have stakes people care about. Wagner Africa is a tag many people have wanted content for for ages and older mods like Kaiserreich and KX have made thousands of people care about far-away places like Mongolia, Bhutan, Patagonia and many, many more. Even in TNO many cared about the struggle for Africa because it was the struggle between a flawed democracy and a genocidal fascist terror state. Because in none of those conflicts the stakes at the end of the day were some variant of:>Team A (ambiguously evil pragmatists) accumulates more points than Team B (ambiguously evil pragmatists) in the grand chess game
>>2448598I Wish it was, but it's a mix of third world ism and neoliberalism, from panzer and mango
>>2448635It’s really a matter of personal preference at the end of the day. If you want a black and white, the forces of good fight the forces of evil that’s your preference, It’s not like those stories are inherently bad. It’s just that the cold war was not that type of conflict, the cold war was full of murky and grey factions fighting other murky and grey factions. Every side thought that they were fighting for the most rational and righteous cause, so why does a story set in the cold war have to be a black and white conflict? Most wars weren’t grand moral crusades like ww2 is portrayed as. Most wars are fought over resources, territory, influence, and power, so why can’t the cold war in an axis victory timeline be like that?
>>2448637I mean these are just events from the actual game and the statements of devs. This isn’t really speculation, it’s just what’s in hereapart from eastern europe being richer under let’s say speer than communism, I don’t have any real way to verify that and plus half their population is gone anyway so even if it is, it’s not like the germans haven’t done some serious damage Oh and the nuke EMP thing hasn’t leaked yet so it isn’t in game either. The plan is basically to knock out germanys forces by launching a nuclear weapon 120 miles in the atmosphere, detonating it, and basically killing all of germanys military tech. Look it up it’s called a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion (HANE) and it’s really fucking scary. It kills basically all low earth satellites, ground control stations, the entire power grid, civilian communications, Most radios, Computers, and most trucks, tanks, and carsRussia post detonation will blitz the fuck out of the germans before they can regroup
>>2448643>Reality is really boring and technocratic>Why can't my mod be too?You can but it's a bad idea because almost no one outside of the TNO Reddit cares about Fiji and every other Fiji-tier shithole and their irrelevant leaders and the sooner you get this through your skull the sooner your mod will stop declining. Just because the real cold war was a tragedy like you outlined doesn't mean you have to create a world that's just as soulless as your average CIA planning room.
>>2448647So we can't have Russia take a single inch of land west of a certain arbitrary point because that might spark a nuclear war, but Russia should start the war by nuking Germany, and Germany won't retaliate in kind because the nuke that sends them back to the stone age explodes in the atmosphere instead of on the ground?What?
>>2448651Anon it's retards who are theorising about bullshit they will never actually release because it's just way too fucking big in scope.Then again this thread exists for overthinking everything tno shits out so yeah.
>>2448651A russian invasion of germany wont start a nuclear war primarily because the germans would just beat the ever loving shit out of the russians in a conventional war, push up to the AA line and tell them to fuck off. The russians understand this and take a big risk by using the HANE so they can actually stand a chance of winning conventionally.As for the HANE itself, it’s not technically covered under MAD doctrine since it doesn’t actually kill anyone, it just incapacitates most electronic systems. The germans will retaliate in kind tho you are right about that, its just that the risk of getting a city or two nuked, outweighs the reward of potentially saving millions of russians from german bondage. Most russian unifiers use the HANE in eastern europe itself so they can beat eastern european forces while they are vulnerable, but the HANE wont effect germany proper so high command can recover from the damages, the russians do this since its not as escalatory so they don’t get turned into radioactive ash. However several hawkish unifiers will lobe one directly over germany which is absolutely DEVISTATING to the pakt as a whole. It basically shatters germanys hegemon status for good and cuts off germany itself from eastern forces, the wehrmacht is put in utter dissaray, and nuclear weapons are placed in the hands of sub commanders The HANE over germania is incredibly high risk, but very high reward since sub commanders could destroy the world if they think it was the americans who launched the HANE, sub commanders could also totally nuke russia aswell if they aren’t given a stand down order from the fuhrer. But the reward of basically all of eastern europe being liberated is very very tempting. You have to game theory it out wether the risk is greater than the reward
>>2448677>Instantly starts to predetermine the outcome of a war in a wargame>Instantly starts to ramble about why nuking isn't nuking in this case because reasonsEverything you say will be completely worthless and I'm not even going to bother, you and all your colleagues are worthless.
>>2448679Nigga this isn’t about a pre determined outcome it’s just a matter of reality. Germany has the largest and most powerful army on the planet, outnumber russia almost 3-1, Have better logistics, technology, and infrastructure. Russia is a sparsely populated frozen wasteland with 80 million people who would really want to be anywhere else but have to stay in siberia because germany sucks. What industry they have besides resource extraction is quite small and no where near as large as germany and its eastern territories if you were a russian would you rather spend a lifetime waiting in siberia to grow the population and industry enough to have the potential to win against the germans or would you rather take the risk of using a HANE and potentially save millions of eastern europeans from bondage
>>2448683Fuck off, devnigger. I'm not reading your essay about why the game should be boring and unplayable.
>>2448684It litteraly gives you the 2wrw with the same gameplay but with a cool set piece to start it off It’s straight up that scene from modern warfare but as a set piece for a gigantic conflict yet you still bitch that’s on you for having shit taste
>>2448693>I copied an old videogame>For this content I'll never release
>>2448698One of the telltale signs of a shitty writer is that they will ignore the constraints placed upon a character by the setting and just have them win by deus ex machina. You are asking that the devs pull a deus ex machina just to have the russians win because you want to have a power fantasy. If you want your power fantasy, you have to earn your keep by doing something to even the scales which is what has been proposed
>>2448706You're a mentally ill retard and I micro'd my way to Germania. Kill yourself, devnigger.
>>2448709You're so retarded.
>>2448747You still haven't explained why Russia flinging nukes at the Pakt doesn't lead to a nuclear exchange in your mod where looking at someone the wrong way leads to armageddon in the name of never having anything fun. You know the main critique of this before you went off to explain why you wanted to lift scenes from old Call of Duty games.
>>2448643>Most wars weren’t grand moral crusades like ww2 is portrayed as.But this is a cold war that is a continuation of WW2 which is a grand moral crusade no?
>>2448635You kind of have a point. Issue with NuTNO is they are trying to make it morally grey as a conflict when its not. No matter what they can try to do, you cannot make America as bad as the Nazis or Japs without trying to blackwash. Its what even brought in the old TNO fanbase and why people wanted to OFN max since it gave hope that even at the bleakest moments the struggle against fascism could be won still.Instead NuDevs are so autistic on the America le bad unless you vote in based nigger woman. Both good points on.>Also what do you mean that you have to give a reason for people to care? I’m genuinely curious, because when you intervene in places like malaya, the philippines or indonesia, do you really care about the locals of that area or do you care that your enemy is getting fucked over? It’s really the same for africa, you play the proxies to expand your sphere of influence and fuck over your opponents, that’s the reason why you care.and>Even in TNO many cared about the struggle for Africa because it was the struggle between a flawed democracy and a genocidal fascist terror state.If that is a dev nigger this is why people hate NuTNO as it just assumes that is what the player wants. While a larp some people genuinely do want to build a better world or the world they think would be better. Its not just to "fuck over" the other side. Its that the other side is objectively evil, stuff we know from our own history and what they did but now they can act with impunity. Actual teenage psuedo intellectualism from devnigger.
>>2448768I’m not that guy but i’ll explain since im the OP. A MAD style nuclear exchange will always occur when several major cities get nuked. If it’s one city it’s usually tit for tat following the doctrine. Basically MAD is an eye for an eye A HANE is non lethal by its nature, so the most one could anticipate is either another HANE in response or alternatively, small scale nuclear strikes on a couple minor russian cities A nuclear exchange on this level is relatively small scale. Only ramping up if the germans think the russians are advancing too far into eastern europe since germany has a better arsenal than the russians. Also in TNO, Nukes don’t really get flung around a lot, only by player choice and even then it’s path dependent. The only time nukes really ever got thrown around willy nilly was back in the panzer era with the chicken mini game. As for the allegation of ripping off cod, i’d say it’s more of a coincidence, since most of the TNO dev team are uber nerds who found this shit one day and decided that it would be neat, only to remember that cod did it earlier in mw2
>>2448782It’s not like fucking over your enemies and bringing about a better world are mutually exclusive. Also no one on the dev team thinks that america and nazi germany are in any way comparable morally speaking. they just recognize that america sometimes does morally dubious things for their own goals. Moreover treating the germans or the japanese as caricatures of evil, mustache twirling with capes and personally turning jews into lampshades is retarded and kills the point. The Nazis and Japanese were people like any other, people who had families, ambitions, beliefs, and values that they believed were morally right even when they did deeply immoral things. Telling that story is far more interesting than rehashing a 1930s captain america comic about punching nazis It’s not that TNO is trying to minimize nazism or japanese imperialism, it’s trying to portray these things as they were historically not as propagandistic caricatures
>>2448807>It's just one city being nuked so it doesn't trigger a nuclear response>Even though I said it was a CoD reference it's just a coincidence>Even though stepping one single inch within core territory blows up the entire world it's always proportionalYou people are such awful liars and you can never keep your stories straight. Just say that you wanted to throw away your usual moronic rules for what you thought was a cool homage to a scene in a game you liked when you were younger. None of this would even be a problem if you didn't always fling the entire world's nuclear arsenal whenever you wanted to prevent an outcome that didn't please you. Or did you rework the entire 2WRW plan you've tinkered with for years too? Not like it matters, you're struggling to get a German demo out, Russia dev has been largely dead for years and you'll never make mid-70s content.
>>2448810Your lead dev says that America is worse.
>>2448812The dev working on an update (literally named after the counter culture movement) centered around America in the 60's is using an actual real 60's counter cultural poster as a discord header. How could he do this?????
>>2448819And I wouldn't have thought much of it if it wasn't for the fact that the same guy depicts America as a racist shithole that nukes blacks for fun and that its curse of fascism can only be solved by electing an African-American girlboss.
>>2448821CLEARLY mango is stating here that America loses its way over the game because in order to compete and maintain pace with the Reich and Japan it slides into adopting aspects of authoritarianism and big government. What Mango is saying here is that only small government Responsible Republicanism that uproots unions and the bureaucracy can defeat fascism.
>>2448822So how does girlboss nigger solve this? All of these takes are super retarded for a counter culture movement that wouldn't even exist in this version of the 60s. Something that tbqf was an issue even in the Panzer era. That was a counter culture movement that had direct butterfly effects from the 50s, a 50s in which America won the war and had great economic heights as well as Soviet spies and infiltration. None of which exists in TNO. The culture would be radically different and noe of the faggots Mango and his buttbuddies love would even be exist or at least in the same form as they do in the mod. Go join CWIC if you want that content, this is an Axis victory mod. >america and nazi germany are in any way comparable morally speaking. The other guy pointed it out way better on why this is retarded. Its why when your team first revealed your UK rework people made fun of it for America yeeting Brits into the ocean and dropping agent orange all over the islands. None of us are buying it.
TNO jannies going into overdrive defending Mango after all his shit leaked.
>>2448810Morally dubious like America nuking Haiti? Which why even? Not even in the sense that you think. Like Haiti is already a shithole. I know you retards like to think it was Wakanda but Haiti already is mudhuts, there's not much a nuke would accomplish and even TNO fans thought it was silly and shifted into the realm of black comedy. If anything that is your only saving grace that some of your retardation loops back around into being kino.>It’s not that TNO is trying to minimize nazism or japanese imperialism, it’s trying to portray these things as they were historically not as propagandistic caricaturesThat's what you end up doing doebeit in your game. At this point fascists will unironically probably like your mod as American liberalism is comically evil while German and Japanese genocides are justified on the stability and order they have given the world. And don't talk about propagandistic caricatures when all Republicans and even America itself is just that in the mod. Even fucking Romeny got deleted since he was to much of a good guy Republican.
>>2448831They've had to do this even when he released his normal ideas. People all called VotePig and the UK idea retarded. If the powerwording leaker retarded is right Mango is an actual underaged kid or at least a very young 20something alphatard who grew up on TNO and is just trying to fill the shoes of Panzer.
>>2448830Dude I was being sarcastic. I thought that I was being way to unsubtle with the whole Mango is a small government republican thing but maybe I should’ve been more on the nose. I didn’t mean to make you write a screed take a breath buddy. >>2448831Again are we so hypersensitive here that people can’t make obvious jokes anymore without it being taken dead serious.
>>2448835>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>2448835>Says something retarded >Backs himself into a corner >"It was just a social experiment you chudded snowflakes."Every time.
>>2448834If that's true it makes a lot of his seething, anger and purging make more sense because his hijacked mod is being destroyed by a Panzer inspired chud mod in the form of TFR and bleeding subs to a Panzerite redux. Has to sting.
>>2448812Who cares?
>>2448821>Woman who couldn't even win the 1972 primary is somehow the only one who can save AmeriKKKa from FascismoI suppose he's still mad that his prediction of Harris winning Texas in 2024 was wrong?
allow me to explain yippie it to you by paraphrasing some of the things a tno dev said in another mod's dev server- America was an expansionist, imperialistic, segregationist state with second class citizens and Bantustans (Indian Reservations) as well as racial laws meant to maintain racial purity, all of which directly inspired the Nazis.- America and GO4 Germany are basically the same thing: Post-genocide society that still profits on said genocide, slavery, and imperialism and colonialism, but has whitewashed itself by enfranchising the majority within a democratic system while maintaining the exclusion of the minorities they exploited.- The point is whitewashing away segregation, genocide of native Americans, corporate bending, the concentration camps the US ran, as well as the obvious colonialism and imperialism abroad for narrative is just "not the way"- Hitler's racial laws were explicitly inspired by US. As was Lebensraum. "The Volga will be our Mississipi" and all that.Once yourealise this is the tno USA devs wiev too everything starts to make sense
>>2448919What is wrong with racial laws tho
>>2448942The kind of question that surprises me the least on this website
Devs are literally racist against russians, how long can this go on?
>>2448919I mean i’m as racist as they come but this here is objectively true, at least at game start. The difference between nazi germany and america is that nazi expansionism effects hundreds of millions of lives while americas only effects the single digit millions.
>>2448966it’s told from the perspective of kazakh communist nationalists, Its kind of hard not to be bigoted when your people are getting displaced by a horde of russians fleeing the germans
>>2448966>>2448979I think the problem and reaction comes more from the community they cultivated where inclusion of a concept often gets treated as an endorsement unless you add a reminder that Hitler is evil. Reap what you sow, I guess.
>>2448979Quite the opposite. Its told from the russian communist perspective, cause its their own natspirit.
>>2449016>The guy defending TNO liedWhy are they always like this?
>>2449016thanks for the correction >>2449022wasn’t my intention, just didn’t pay attention
>>2448845>>2448847….yeah I said something retarded because it was a blatant joke. I started it by going CLEARLY and then called Mango a small government republican idk how else I could’ve telegraphed it was a joke. Not my fault you read it and took it at face value and sperged out.
>>2448966It could be worse, it could be red flood
>>2449204You are forgiven.>>2449238You are not.
>>2449238You’re a clown
>>2449460thats why i told a joke :)
