let's talk about the game, your favorite custom maps, what you've been playing, what units you love/hate, pro matches and tournaments, and more.
I never played WC3 custom maps, but I played the shit out of stockcraft 1 customs. I might still have the maps downloaded on an old computerDiplo goldDiplo InfinityBlood pressure marathon Europa Universalis The great warThe ThingDawn of the DeadA wide range of resident evil maps Evolve Naruto 1v1Nexus warsMissile defenceVolcano escape WW3 zombies?Mario partyRiskFrench revolutionMany WW1 and WW2 mapsSo many fucking maps
fuuck there were so many maps, what a time to be alive
>>2443716I really liked the Thing custom map, the atmosphere was great and it was worrying trying to complete the objectives quickly while the Thing stalked everyone. I know Among Us has turned it into a meme for the modern age, but back then it was top notch.The only other maps I really liked were the RPG maps, taking a hero unit and continually upgrading its weapons and armor to 99 over the course of an hour or so was cool.
I remember playing a specific Crash RPG EXTREME variant or something where we *almost* managed to beat the map in 2 with a dedicated random who played the battlecruiser hero while I played ghost, I used lockdown on bosses and he yamatod themunfortunately the map broke on us probably more than an hour into the thing, the zerg overwhelmed the starting location crashed battlecruiser and I think we couldn't deliver the mcguffin and end the map because of thisepic memory for a lifetime anyway. I'd replay the map but I swear to god there are like 200000000000000000 crash RPG variants out there and I've never come across this particular one. I just remember it had black zerg, and there were various bosses, and the map wasn't simple but utilized small stair doodads and shit, it was cool as fuck. Space/Asteroid tileset
>>2443740>Resident Evil Racoon City
>>2443740has anyone ever tried recreating diplo as a standalone game? i feel like that has a lot of untapped potential if nobody has given it a shot before
>>2443716ps2 rock band guitar hero algorithm
zerg OP, and i wish ASL would just get rid of a lot of zerg advantages on maps like they did when flash was winning.
>>2443716Sunken Defence, Helms Deep, Special Forces, Diablo, Cat and Mice, the Thing, DBZ RPG, GolemsStarcraft was like Roblox of the 2000s
why is it so common for protoss to get busted by hydra rush? why not just be less greedy?
>>2458262>build a bunch of cannons blindly>now you have no money for zealots and gateways>Zerg builds a million Drones because you don't pressure them>you get busted with Hydras 2 minutes later
>>2458385>build more units but your tech progress is slower>lose the game to hydra rushjeez I wonder which is the optimal choice
Are the maps in asl pool too restrictive? Is it desirable to have very samey-looking games out of maps with tight ramps and bottlenecks placed around first and second base? Why does every single map in the pool have safe overlord camp spots, and not only some of them?Also what's up with Leta doing the same 2-port build in every single game and getting so far? How hard is it to blind play counters to 2-port wraith? Feels like niggas are just phoning it in at this point.
>>2458432Brood War has a triangle. Tech > cheese > eco > tech. Every opening revolves around navigating this triangle. Soulkey randomly 7 Pools and doesn't care if he wins or loses because he just needs his opponent to know that he's going to do that sometimes to introduce that doubt and push their psychology in a certain direction. Essentially what you're saying is "why doesn't the Protoss always win in the opening mindgame?", which isn't a very easy question to answer. Even the best players in the world like Soulkey can drop out of the ASL because they keep getting cheesed over and over.
>>2458262>why not just be less greedy?because if you're not greedy, you will be outscaled by zerg production and overwhelmedif you play safe but don't get rushed, you lose because the opponent has an economic advantageif you play greedy and get rushed, you lose because you have nothing to defendBrood War is not a game you can play blind competitively, you have to scout every time and make the correct conclusions from what you see every timeIt's also why BW is based and fun to watch while SC2 plays BO9s and every match looks and plays exactly the same way
I played some korean ladder couple months ago. Managed to zergling rush a few times, hydra bust one time (had like 10% winrate out of the games where opponent didn't quit right at start of the game for some reason). Was fun.
>>2458790>every match looks and plays exactly the same wayIn Brood War too. Maps are too safe. How many maps where you can't even do a proper zealot or barracks rush cause the middle of the map is unbuildable and ramps are too narrow? There's a new map which gives terran free comsat apparently? wtf is that. Why is the trend towards more visibility and not less? We need way more chaotic, scrappy games. I want less of what we getting and more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okzTPhwiZmg
What are some things you have noticed but are never mentioned in Tastosis casts? I noticed soma has this sublime way of controlling overlords during hydra busts where they keep coming one by one from several directions. If one gets taken down, another one is coming. Never seen any other zerg control their overlords this well.
>>2458262Tossers are retarded. They were only good back when no one knew how to play, 2000-2006. PvZ is a LITERAL cargo cult, ffe into corsairs is completely useless and gay. Same with Terrannies, by the way. The current era clearly shows that game knowledge and Zerg Chads winning are directly proportional. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2458262>>2458385>>2458432Don't forget Zerg can also muta. Soma in particular is notorious for abusing the Zerg mind-game advantage to the max by refusing to tech until the probe scout is dead and then suddenly mutas show up in your main instead of hydras at your nat.
>>2458796>In Brood War too.This entire discussion literally started with a statement that unlike in SC2 with their 12 worker start for the longest time until recently, Brood War's early game is different every time and making the choice to play greedy or safe is an outcome-defining decision.>Maps are too safe.They literally aren't. You haven't watched any of the past 5 ASLs. You get both run of the mill balanced ladder maps and some wild crazy maps with islands and triple-ramps, and there even was that desert map splitting the match into 2 lanes where the second only opens in mid game when you mine out.
>>2459021Oh and don't forget 76 where you can go greedy and expand immediately through hallucinated minerals into a safe natural. The hallucinated minerals disappear after 56 irl seconds and prevent you from expanding there until you research air transport tech for your race.That's what you call "too safe"? This is the anti-thesis of safe map design... get your head out of your ass and actually play the fucking game
>>2458804I usually watch the player's APM a lot and the guys with low APM that still macro well most of the time like Mind always impress me.
zerg has been wildly overpowered for decades.
>>2459021>Brood War's early game is different every timeIf by different you mean making the decision to build one more factory or to build couple more zealots than usual or to make a hydra den instead of spire I rest my case. We need more maps which produce chaotic, scrappy games; not a variation of the same old build orders.>They literally aren't.Oh you mean that one map where Zerg rushes to ultras with 0 interaction while also being able to deal with any Terran pushes which would break Zerg on other maps? Yeah I seen that one.>pic unrelated
>>2459436>If by different you mean making the decision to build one more factory or to build couple more zealots than usual or to make a hydra den instead of spire I rest my caseIf you think that's all there is to it then I rest my case>We need more maps which produce chaotic, scrappy games; not a variation of the same old build orders.https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/76https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Roaring_Currentshttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Death_Valleyhttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Octagonhttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Odysseyhttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Backroomshttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Colorless_Fatehttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Plasmaand of course how could we forgethttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Eclipsewhich gave us probably the most scrappy, chaotic, innovative strats and matches in a good while, even though Terrans got their shit slapped a lot on it due to short rush distance
https://youtu.be/PRxBUAVXTrg?si=c348nGnW_8pPSwj7&t=9337this hydra rush, wouldnt it be more advantageous to focus fire cannon(s)?
Modern zerg players are genuinely just better than the other races.Protoss on the other hand has the worst player pool by far. The top protoss player last season was Tulbo out of all people, that should show you how grim the situation for protoss talent is.
>havent watched broodwar/artosiscasts since last ASL since zerg is just ezmode and boring to watch>tune in for ASL opens/qualifiers>zerg still ezmodeat least these maps are supposedly good for protoss vs zerg right haha. just like roaring currents last time haha.
>>2459436kek at the image
>>2462284>lurker drop near the stacked mineral line can 2-shot the majority of your worker linewhat did they mean by protoss-favoured map
>>2462284>>2462319I don't know why they keep claiming they're making anti-zerg maps and then do absolutely nothing about the fact that mutalisks have free reign over the entire mapIt's like they're racing against each other who can put less building space in main and natural mineral fields. If Terrans could put more than 3 pitiful fucking turrets that will slightly tickle ONE mutalisk, maybe, just maybe, we could see something else than nonstop 24/7 zerg nigger ez mode domination
>>2462386>It's like they're racing against each other who can put less building space in main and natural mineral fields.This is also a direct buff to zerg since zerg never wants to waste a single drone on a defensive building if they don't have to.More building space near mineral fields is a buff only to T and P, it changes nothing for zerg. And they won't fucking do it.Hell, don't make it building space, just give ANY space so dragoons and marines can actually fucking get there and start shooting. Holy fucking shit for being so good at the game koreans are absolute trash at recognizing the source of the issue
>>2462392its funny they also took away 80% of the building zone in octagon. you'd think we had a terran winner since they did that
>>2462392>it changes nothing for zergmakes it easier for them to defend a cannon rush but only Best tries that anymore at a high level. While every single zerg player abuses shit map design and pounds at peons with mutas all day every day with 0 repercussions until late game tech rolls in (might not even roll in if you get harassed to death in the process of trying to get storm or irradiate)
>>2462386>>2462392>>2462433>>2462473There is enough space to build enough turrets and cannons on all maps, it's just that Terrannies and Tossers like to skip static defense because this is the only way they can win, i.e. cutting corners, gambling, blind tech, stupid gimmicks, etc. Zerg Chads typically prefer to go without static defense since sunkens and spores are absolutely awful considering that each building consumes one drone, and their build time and damage is on par with Terranny and Tosser static defense. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2462677>There is enough space to build enough turrets and cannons on all mapsI literally went and checked and you're a lying obnoxious subhuman nigger as usual, kill yourself and take your family with you
>>2462831Checked what? Your dilator batteries? Are you ok Terranny?
>>2459024You're a retard. Either you're low rank or straight up don't play the game
>zergschizo is backdang, thread was going so well. i guess it took him so long because it didnt say general in the title?
>>2463371How compelling, care to elaborate?
I did some napkin math for monthly income for Artosis 5k from Patreonabout 6k from streamscanada income tax but also child benefitscomes out to about 10k monthly post-taxguess that's worth italso Canada child benefits LOL they basically pay you for not working
>>2463353I checked the news and you still havent killed yourself. Any time now
>>2463883his wife takes BBC when arty goes to sleep and supplements household income under the table (literally)
>>2463954I wouldn't want to get caught playing noob big battlecruiser builds either...
>>2462319a boomer wouldn't play archer
>>2463954there were some strange noises coming from her bedroom during his last stream...I don't think he could hear them...
Speaking of Artosis streams, who's Trish?
>>2464369I heard it too... that cheating whore was warping in pylons behind the closed doors... she's playing protoss while her husband dies to protoss in the next room trying to support the family
Zergschizo here, in preparation for the next Zerg Chad ASL victory, I have updated my tier list, putting devourers higher
>>2463954how does his wife look like?
>>2466214like edmund duke with a wig on
>>2466311Can't be. Any pics?
Watching some 2006-2009 era VODs. We had it so good back then.>>2458790>Brood War is not a game you can play blind competitively, you have to scout every time and make the correct conclusions from what you see every timeThis is one thing that struck me, obs would show one player going for a "sneaky" play (rush / tech switch) and then show the other player and he would be already preparing for it and I didn’t even catch how the hell did the even scout that. Obviously the players read a lot of things indirectly, from knowing the established strategies and how they set up on their border and all; i.e. the plays aren’t even meant to be that sneaky in the first place, they are pretty obvious if you know how to look. But the level of interaction is absolutely insane.
>>2466356>Obviously the players read a lot of things indirectlytop tier koreans make conclusions based off the in-game timer alone a lot of the time. Because they have it figured out what can be and can't be achieved in that timeframe since the beginning of the game>I saw 4 zerglings at X mark so that means now it would be impossible to have mutas out already>this means I can expand and only then place defensive cannons, because I know the cannon warping in will finish by the time the mutalisks can arrive at my natural in the worst case scenarioA lot of games are like that>But the level of interaction is absolutely insane.It absolutely is, to the point where zerg players expect fucking comsat scan timings at particular time intervals, so they can e.g. start upgrading the spire to the greater spire to bait a reaction to guardians, but when the comsat vision wears off they just cancel the greater spire.This level of mind games is simply unfathomable in SC2, SC2 is just mindless spastic gookclick in comparison
>>2466356As you play more Brood War you just kind of start guessing what your opponent is doing, even if you can't scout it. There's a limited amount of options afterall, and some are more likely than others
I have been watching Artosis twitch. I'm new to twitch. Why doesn't he have internal mute button for the annoying text-to-speech submissions? I understand not skipping cause $$, but why subject himself to that shit when he can just cut audio stream or whatever?
>>2467414you already said why, people aren't gonna give him money if they know he's not listening to their annoying messages
>>2467417but you can just internally mute that audio stream, not visibly skip itain't it usual practice?
>>2467414>>2467441how do you know he's not already doing that and pretending? He's eating shit every day for his 40 children while sadists jerk off
>>2467662well the other time he skipped a piece which was playing for a while and just shouted SHUT UPhe keeps skipping from time to time (as opposed to just internally muting)
>>2467668>notices text to speech widget on second monitor>waits 10 seconds>"ugh shut up you guys">another $10 and a job well done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08FkuRXZ3lAdid Calm just troll in qualifiers finals but not making a single hydra against protoss?
Kek the zerg schizo came to play in Arty's lan tournament
Why are there so many troons playing brood war and coincidentally all of them play zerg?
>>2468576its pretty obvious why
much like the zerg schizo the troon commentator is an obnoxious attention whore who keeps talking about himself>I like eating paper uwu haha i think i look really cute on camera hahaand the other fat nerd is like>okay! so anyway artosis has a huge bank...
How do I ZvZ?
>>2468680>oh i hope nobody saw me i was eating a kids meal because look at me i cant eat a lotwhy did they invite troons to a starcraft tournament, what does that have to do with the game
>>2468682maek zeglingmaek mudalisg
>>2468302It's an old school way to play zvp, but I wouldn't call it trolling. I like Calm because he's willing to do shit like this.Probably helps that Shuttle sucks ass.
>>2468694what do you mean oldschool with hydra busts always being a thing
>>2468701people played without turtle zerg without hydras in ~2010 kespa era
>>2468684Stop harassing our boy Scarlett
>>2468491Beautiful girls always have beautiful gocks.
>>2468491>>2469109For posterity!
>>2469225>>2468491>korean starcraft gets loads of hot korean e-girls>foreigner starcraft gets this
>>2469225can there be a video game event where someone tells someone like this to stop it with their weird fetish shit
>>2469336Yes but it has to happen outside the American continents.
>>2468703>without hydrasis this because back then there were relatively more zealot-heavy comps and rushes/aggro?>pic unrelated
>>2469706There's partially that (people play much more dragoon heavy now, which made the protoss midgame far stronger) but also I think it's just that hive tech was considered more powerful back then, so zergs would turtle to hive with mass sunkens while countering with mutas. Nowadays it's considered better to just never let protoss expand and preferably kill them with hydras, since 4+ bases protoss is actually stronger than hive zerg
>>2469225starcraft?
>>2470043>Nowadays it's considered better to just never let protoss expand and preferably kill them with hydras, since 4+ bases protoss is actually stronger than hive zergThe meta has evolved into a weird spot where zerg is the only race that actually gets to play the game and pretty much dictate the flow of every match while terran and protoss have to resort to either +20min resource starvation war of attrition, or just wait for the moment zerg overextends and leaves himself open to a decapitating counter attack (which also can get negated by nydus canals, yet another "zerg has to make a mistake and not react fast enough to shuffle his army into one spot"). That, or just cheesing the zerg immediately, which the zergs have plenty of options to defend with their peons who have a much longer actual attack range than scvs or probes, their creep that prevents building bunkers or cannons near production, and their cheapest most cost-effective unit in the game, the zergling, which is a specialist at dismantling early game threats. Basically if you put a bunch of terrans, protoss and zergs at equal skill level, zerg wins every time, which the past couple ASLs have displayed immaculately
>>2469305I hate that "foreigner" just means american
>>2470113>Basically if you put a bunch of terrans, protoss and zergs at equal skill level, zerg wins every time, which the past couple ASLs have displayed immaculatelyThat's with the caveat "if the skill level is near top level play" and even then it's not all of top level play only a handful of Zergs at any point in time seem to have the terrannies' number (I won't even consider ZvP because that matchup has been lopsided in all of BW). In fact I'd even go so far as to say that the last 2 ASLs were Soma's doing not his race's.Soma didn't have as strong game sense as Flash. His mind-games in terms of opener were not a match for Flash either but Flash's refusal to take Soma to late-game or to play high intensity unit comps should be blamed on the state of his wrist rather than the state of TvZ.
>>2470164go back to your own containment thread that you yourself keep bumping
>>2469336Why doesn't korea have this problem at all?
>>2470164How much of the protoss losses here are Shuttle and Tulbo?
>>2470313They have a cult of beauty and trannies are disgusting. Scarlett was banned from entry to SK
>>2470335N-no shut up this ruins the entire disingenuous narrative...
>>2470335Here are their stats from that site, I threw in the #1 ELO Protoss for comparison.
>>2470764Damn, TulGOD is taking a shit on SHARTtle
Guys... he lost weight. Are we back?
>>2471234his head game is on point once again
>>2471234ozempic finally came to korea
shuttle getting out first is hilarious
>>2471234even his commentary got better, his speech skills seem less impaired. I think getting married to the ugly gook hag made him quit drinking. Good for him>>2471816It really was. But even more hilarious was Bisu getting eliminated in ro24. I do not understand why he's constantly hyped, he's a washed has-been even more than JD and fartosis keeps polishing his knob anyway
>>2471959>bisu top 16 last season and top 4 the season before that>JD top 8 twice in the last 3 seasons.you think because they don't win every season they're washed? you're a retard
>>2471976>he thinks top 16 is a good result>he thinks top 4 having defeated Speed who's new, TY who's bad, and Larva who just came back from exile is a good resultBisu can only win when he gets CPU tier opponents on his way to ro4. He's washed as fuck>JD top 8 twice in the last 3 seasonsand keeps dying to terrans like Sharp, a notoriously bottom tier terranthey are both washed has-beens without a chance to win. JD barely qualified for this season
Light-bros we can win this r-right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvtvjVRPSYSemifinals Effort vs Snow
After fighting through a swarm of Zergs and buck-breaking Soma 2-0 our Terran hero Light has arrived at the grand finals where Protoss victim Snow awaits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PujJBbF2NMw
man shinee played like shit vs shine. doesnt help that zerg is OP.
lmao zerg is so fucking easy to win with lol. action won in the lobby by picking zerg vs sharp.
>zerg FINALLY gets punished for its greedwicked.
Loving this season so far. Unexpected and unpredictable results have always produced the best seasons
>JD vs Speedhe's so fucking washed guys, what the fuck was that game
seeing people call scarlett "she" makes me feel like I'm going insane
you don't have to pretend, we're all friends here
JD maek muta and hydra
>>2473094you should've seen Tonsi on the other lan tourney >>2469225
>>2467414His youtube stream cuts out all the donation messages. Avoid twitch at all costs.
>>2473094>>2468680Men dressing up as women in america are treated like cows in india. It doesn't matter how retarded or obnoxious they are, you have to let them do whatever they want at all times or they'll try to get you fired from your job (and if that doesn't work they'll go bananas and shoot their parents)
did tulbo or larva make it into asl? I hope not cause I'm haterthey are fat and their gimmicks are not funny
https://youtu.be/hUShC18AjwA?si=AfUaRD3VabZFds_4&t=6493it's another episode of forward gate zealots wreaking havoc cause terran was too proud to pull couple scvsthis happens SO MUCH at high level I wonder why isn't it done more
>>2473224the holy cow of america is the negro
>>2473294Larva and mong are gonna have a fat-off in the ro24 tomorrow.
>>2473294when compared to tulbo, hero, queen, mong and shuttle, larva isn't really fat.
what's up with the large amount of money players have made this year, mini, light and soma have all make over $100k and lots of players have made tens of thousands
>>2473487>what's up with the large amount of money players The way it works is a top player will gather some money (measured in balloons on SOOP) from his viewers and then open a daily proleague bout when he feels he has enough balloons. He will then invite a bunch of other top players. All players will then beg for money from their viewers to increase the pot and then they're off. These are daily or almost daily events and are usually around $1000 per winner a potential all-kill bonus.
>>2473294Everyone is fucking fat now.
whats up with these nerds getting into asl now
does anyone know where the main starcraft computer is so i can patch the game
what
huh
will we ever get non-zerg favored maps in ASL? every season they say it's the most anti-zerg maps yet, and every season we get high amounts of zergs lol
>>2476666No satan. Unfortunately map makers will keep focusing on making most of the map unbuildable to fuck over terrans and protoss who keep losing to zerg because lack of building space allows mutalisks to reign free in every matchup.
>>2476761>Unfortunately map makers will keep focusing on making most of the map unbuildableThey're doing that to help Protoss versus Terran. Zerg doesn't really give a fuck and Protoss is never in a million years gonna make cannons in the middle of the map against Zerg even if they could.>>2476666>will we ever get non-zerg favored maps in ASL? Since Terran already beats Zerg on all but 1 map statistically there's not much the map-makers can do or they risk fucking Protoss over. At the end of the day the Terrans and Protosses have to stop jobbing in tournament and it might just happen this time.>SnowSteadily improving in PvZ. Made effort look like an easy win in a tournament set the other day and all Terrans are just food at this point. >RushPlays until 8 in the morning every day, has no wrist problems like the other uncs and has extremely good online results on par with Light'sThe sheer number of Zergs in top16 might also end up with Soma getting killed off by effort which is exactly how Soulkey's streak ended and suddenly it could be anybody's game.
mong is a fucking idiot lol
he should just eat the other players
soulkey just maek muta and win vs jyj lol.
>>2476838he's just really bad at TvZ for some reason, he shouldn't be because he's good at macro. But I think the mootas just wreck his plans every time and he ends up fumbling everything after that, no other race gets to harass for free until late game like zerg does
>>2476788>Since Terran already beats Zerg on all but 1 map statistically there's not much the map-makers can do or they risk fucking Protoss over.Statistically the last 6 ASLs were won by zerg, get a load of this retard
>the last 6 ASLs were won by zergthe same guy doing well is not the same as the whole race doing well
>>2478035soulkey and soma are the same guy? You stupid worthless nigger, shut the fuck up and go back where you came from
Soulkey did like total shit in the last 2 ASLs. Do you think it's because Zerg got worse? Because the maps are worse for zerg? Or maybe it's because he just got out of shape and was no longer the best player?The semifinals of the last few ASLs all featured 3 players of the other races and only one (1!) Zerg player. How is that possible if Zerg is the best race? In fact, if you look at the race distribution for players that get late into the tournament, zerg isn't overrepresented at all.Do you think it's more likely Soulkey and Soma won their ASLs because of their race, or because they were the best players? Are you even capable of thought?
queen vs effort ZvZ was great
>>2477702yeah, it's odd because he'll be up so much in supply then just fumble it. mutas are just too good lol
>>2478216and then followed by mini doing his usual retardation in bo1s. why does he keep doing this?
well, im glad ASL put in all these protoss maps. really helped not make the entire tournament zerg players haha. cant wait for next year with even less buildable terrain and even better ledges for mutas to harass all game with.
>less buildable terrainThat's to help protoss vs terran you stupid gorilla ape
it limits proxy cheese builds PvZ as well. also, if protoss was smart, they'd make photon cannons more :)
>>2478291protoss doesn't need help vs terran you stupid gorilla ape
>>2478190>In fact, if you look at the race distribution for players that get late into the tournament, zerg isn't overrepresented at all.If you look at the race distribution for players that get into the tournament at all, zerg is massively overrepresented.You disingenuous, lying by omission nigger.
>>2478221he's such a notorious trickster he ends up tricking himself most of the time when the opponent just plays completely normal
>>2478496it's just the resident zerg schizo. don't bother debating him unless you just want to vent your frustration. some retards can not be argued with.
>If you look at the race distribution for players that get into the tournament at all, zerg is massively overrepresentedThe ONLY recent ASL that has had a majority of zerg players is the current one (12 zergs, 10 terrans 6 protoss ). If anything, it's always terran who is overrepresented (especially last season, which had 15! terran players to only 8 zergs and 5 protoss), with protoss being underrepresented (possibly because of a trend of terran stomping protoss in the current meta). But even then, if you look at the later parts of the tournaments, you'll see that all races are well represented at the later stages.MAYBE you should actually look at the stats before talking bullshit? It's not hard, you can just look up each season on Liquipedia.
zerg players are in control of the stats on liquipedia
>effort knocks out minithe world is good and just
this is gonna be such a good group
How goes the stracrafting guys?
https://starcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/>brood war site now has glitch effects>sc2 site does notthey're going to forcibly patch brood war and ruin it.just fucking watch.
patch: turrets now do normal damage.defiler consume no longer grants instant mana but rather increased regenerationyou can now build more turrets in your mineral lines
>>2481406if you open the browser console there's some lore crap that's dated 70 years after SC2 ends>>2481421scout now costs 200/100 and takes 2 supply it still never gets used
>>2481406>https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/2170917/#2341761Zergschizo here. If this happens, know that I predicted it. Thank you for your attention to this matter.>Might unironically be the last one. See: >>2331991. Most likely outcomes of another, well deserved, Zerg Chad victory:>1. They simply end the ASL. The most simple and least suspicious measure.>2. Terrannies, and perhaps some Tossers, begin quiet quitting. Knowing that they cannot win against Zerg Chads, they will throw games on purpose and lose in the worst possible way in order to diminish the Zerg Chads' victories and begin to claim that they "robbed an empty house", etc.>3. A witch hunt against Soulkey and/or Soma. Unlikely given the Trumpian cultural victory whereby hoaxes are boldly called out by the general public and the persecuted proudly stand their ground.>4. A patch. Extremely unlikely. Given the Historical opposition to "balance whining", i.e. the idea that anyone calling for balance is just jealous of Terrannies winning, this would both retroactively diminish mUh UlTiMaTe WeApOn and unearth the fact that a) the game has been balanced before many times and b) the original "balance whiners" were actually Terrannies and Tossers.>Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2481194game's still shit
Shuttle is such a fucking idiot. He gets picked into group A as everybody expected and says that he has no ambition to win ASL but instead wants to fight zergs and by filling the group with zergs he has a golden opportunity to sabotage the tournament for Soma. He asks effort (the only zerg who's not afraid of any other zerg in ZvZ) if he's gonna pick another zerg and he says yes. Shuttle then for no reason whatsoever picks Jaedong of all people who now has a free ticket out of group A if he picks Rush - and he does- because there's no way Soma lets him stay there so in the end everybody is happy except Shuttle. He went into this trying to clown on group A but he failed spectacularly and the result is everybody is happy except him .
>>2482798Yes, shuttle is an idiot and a consistently weak player consistently making bad decisions. Sometimes he gets so lucky he makes it into ro16. That's just how it is
>>2458796>creeps and neutral structures pushed players not to turtleIt was the XP system in general, not creeps and neutral buildings. The former definitely helps but the latter is entirely irrelevant. Heroes are insanely powerful but require an active investment in both money and experience, the last one being the most important as you can kit out a hero decently enough with basic faction items from the buildable shops. It's the reason why WC3 is actually the one RTS where it is disastrous to turtle in an FFA, because your epic sim city base /w 3 level 1s will be rolled over by 3 level 6+ heroes + some token army support.
>>2458796>How many maps where you can't even do a proper zealot or barracks rush None? these strategies are common as fuck
>finally a mostly zerg ro16>everyone goes out of their way to spread them out as much as possiblewhy is everyone so fucking stupiud
lmao. soma just maek ling and wins vs shuttle.
now he just maek ling vs best and is going to win. maybe someday we'll get maps where you can wall in better even though some retard says it doesnt matter lol
damn, those were some godly dts from best in game2. zerg finally punished.
LMAO. zerg loses a SINGLE honorable game that isnt a zerg or hydra rush and then just goes right back into zergrush.
sad that best didnt make it through, but glad rush made it through.
>>2485612>be two time champion>uh oh im losing>zergling flood all ini have zerg fatigue
leta beating ggaemo was cool, but i have a feeling he wont beat queen lol. jaedong looked like shit in the zvz so maybe leta can beat him of jd beats ggaemo.
LETS GO LETA. he lost to queen making queens and then bbsed in the middle of the map to tie it up lol
LETA DID IT
well jaedong made it through in 2nd place. imagine if he gets paired vs light AGAIN hahaha
>>2486407>LightIt's bizarre how afraid everyone is of Zerg even this guy. He was at a point where he could pick Jaedong (who he never loses to) and Shinee but instead he picks Jyj of all people. Why? Because he thought Shinee would lose to whatever Zerg would come his way but Jyj might have a chance so Light's strategy is to desperately duck every Zerg and advance by beating Jyj twice.Light's unorthodox pick also had the unintended effect of pissing Jyj off who torpedoed the group by dragging Soulkey into it and also the fact that he didn't pick Shinee made group D which is always supposed to be a group of death into a joke group.
>>2486439Light's TvZ was below 50% (ASL record, the one they show on screen when he plays, not including the KeSPA games) two seasons ago. Total bum. Shuttle's PvZ is higher. Terrannies literally live in a bubble, akin to the post-2016 Blue Anon bubbles, i.e. reddit, pre-2022 twitter, etc. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2486439>It's bizarre how afraid everyone is of Zerg even this guyImagine being the best Terran in the world, having 500 APM and wasting 20 minutes of your life at a time just so zerg can maek defiler and win or maek muta and winI'd be afraid too
>>2486439it's not that bizarre. every zerg (except for jaedong for some reason) can beat him due to what >>2486532 says
>>2486439modern TvZ is having a 20 second attack window around 10 minutes, and if you fail to kill the zerg during that window the only way left to play is a 30min+ war of attrition where if you make 1 mistake you die immediatelyzerg is so disgustingly OP they have been dictating the flow of every single TvZ for the past decadeyou don't go into a TvZ with a plan of your own, you always react to what the zerg does because the zerg can kill you with any strat at any time if you don't respond perfectly accordinglyor you have something like Leta vs Queen where Queen just suicides his mutas for no reason for 20 minutes and then loses while making a sour face
>>2486532>>2486619>>2486632>bunker rush fails>terranny is ahead>vulture run by fails >terranny is ahead>wraith dies>terranny is ahead>bio-tank push fails>terranny is ahead>vessels die >terranny is ahead>20 scvs die>terranny is ahead>on two bases for 20 minutes>terranny is ahead>10 idle scvs>terranny is ahead>0-0 upgrades>terranny is ahead>after holding 4-6 bases and throwing away 300%-500% more gas the zerg chad finally wins>terranny dilates
>>2486632This. Just nerf defiler, there is no reason why dark swarm prevents all ranged damage while defensive matrix only reduces it. Dark swarm should also just reduce damage considerably instead of 100%. If there's one change to starcraft that would actually makes sense without completely tipping the balance into one race's favor, it's this one.SK Terran would become viable again instead of this retarded dynamic of 'zerg does anything he wants without paying attention to terran'. Devs did not anticipate how people would control mutalisks back in 1999, they fixed the sprite bugs and made valkyries viable again, etc just fix dark swarm.
>>2486746Why should Terrannies be entitled to spam a t1 unit that costs 0 gas for 30 minutes and expect to win?
>>2485581He's ridiculously old now
>>2486689you need help
>>2486689This entire post is exactly what it felt like when I was watching TvZ during the Kespa era. It felt like a really unfair matchup so it made me always root for the Zerg whenever the matchup was on. Mutalisks rarely ended the game. The first defiler to come out had to use his first dark swarm to get Zerg to survive the onslaught (and then it'd get irradiated 2 seconds later). 75 energy to delete a 150 gas unit. Then the Terran would build up their Science Vessel cloud and any unit that costs any gas would get irradiated. Zerg would try to scourge the Science Vessels but even when it worked they lost more gas in scourge than the Terran lost in Vessels. 1 marine drop would usually be gg (that still happens today).What changed? Nothing in the game changed except valkyries can be used now.
I also wish we could return to year 2000
>>2487328I'd give anything except my soul (I left it back in the 2000s)
>"w-we must make maps safe for protoss!">"we have to counter hydra rushes!11">zergling floods instead
2030 fps lol
Warcraft3bros just got RAPED again...
>>2487655What happened?
>>2487256https://youtu.be/dJ9o5toq1aU?t=599valkyries weren't unusable
>>2487256>What changed? Top end zerg players got much, much better. Better micro, better builds, better timingsBut even then the matchup is still 55-45 favored for terran on most maps
>>2487674reforged 3.0 removed LAN and offline, killing w3champions
>>2487711Do not reply to the schizo.
>tune into blizzcon for RSL finals>havent watched sc2 in over a year>it's still just ZvZlol.
why are tastosis wearing shower curtains
humiliation ritual
>>2488413he's a big guy
>hero struggles and fumbles all game>gets 1 good lurker spine>winslol. maybe next year we'll get some anti-zerg maps
>>2490220damn light barely got him in map2. thank God. let's hope he doesnt wall/cc first vs a 4pool lol
>>2490224wicked. light won. hero made an odd decision to keep going for SCVs instead of fighting the ball, but he must've thought the sunkens would barely be done in time? i hope JyJ or hero knocks out soulkey to give terrans a good chance in the future rounds.
dang, jyj holds everything then dies to lurkers that cant be damaged under dark swarm lol
it's sad soulkey has made it through. i imagine this will be the only zvz he has to fight and will somehow dodge any other zergs on his way to the finals.
zerg so OP that shine gets out first lmao
well, im actually surprised the ro8 isnt all zergs with how bad it is this season though i do expect the finals to be ZvZ and maybe the semifinals too.
>>2490242Soulkey's ZvZ is better than Rush's TvZ, Light's TvZ without the Jaedong farming, not to mention Flash's TvZ in his last four embarrassing ASL runs. Pipe down, Terranny.
stick to your containment thread
>JD vs somaThey keep picking themselves don't they? Do they have some old master - student shit going on? soma mentioned he used to look up to JD relatively lot
>>2491616>Do they have some old master - student shit going on? soma mentioned he used to look up to JD relatively lotSoma is a huge JD-simp, everyone knew already but the group selection event proved it. The ro8 was drawn by the ball-fondling announcer lady though so the players had nothing to do with that.
>>2491616During the tail end of KeSPA era, soma and Bishop were 15-year-olds and practiced together to go pro. One vowed they'd become the next JD, the other FlaSh. Soma sort of succeeded. Bishop works part time as a waiter.
>>2490242very sad. And he's going against Leta, free win. ZvZ finals are a skip
>>2491616Soma is known as Fake JD in Korea. He's a huge fanboy
https://youtu.be/mn8MN4AwlHk?si=OKu5Gez1n9-5uIPv&t=9055>Snow rolls the dice and goes Nexus first, loses>Tastosis: "well that was stupid" "he has to stop taking these unwise risks">Flash rolls the dice and goes CC first, gets away with it>Tastosis: "wow he is so good" "Flash is just on another level"
>>2492163they never said that about flash going blind CC first, prove it faggotalso the difference is flash would've won and snow played this round like default brood war AI
>>2492173Commentators and faggots on tl and reddit never even joked about "cheese" when Terranny Flash did it. Probably one of the reasons why all the bumjwas started losing so hard to Zerg Chads, they actually believed it themselves. It's trivially easy to defeat all Terranny antics once you realize that they do nothing but antics back to back. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2492260nobody asked, stay in your thread
>>2492284Are you ok Terranny?
>>2492306Can you use a tripcode so I can always find your wonderful posts in case I miss any?
the really cool thing about pluto is it doesn't allow zerg to take any sneaky third bases that they're used to just hiding wherever and getting away with without defending lol. also being able to click on the weak muta in the stack is cool too.
>>2492163>that time flash rolled protoss in asl and took a ninja expansion and tastosis were glazing him like he was a genius for doing what every protoss does on ladder
>>2492586wouldn't you be amazed if a dog started playing chess instead of chasing its own tail? that's what terran playing as protoss is
>>2492513He basically does, just get creative with your filters.
can one of you guys smart with computers put the pluto broodwar bot into my brain so i can win asl
no
never watching this game until P wins ASL, which means never again
>be JD or effort>choose to play straight-up games against Lightwhy?>pic unrelated
shine maek muta. shine win game1
shine maek more muta. shine win game2
surprised shine didnt get +1 for mutas in game3. rush finally learned you need to build 100 turrets vs mutas to hold on and shine took some pretty bad engagements. rush isnt looking in great shape but maybe he can eek it out if shine keeps playing like shit too lol.
1base lurker that gets instaspotted and still goes for it lol. please God rush, don't die to mutas and win game5.
thank god rush came back with some good defense.
hydra bust so good vs protoss that effort decided to use it vs light and won lol
holy fuck that was a great game2.
another great game especially with light being able to pull effort in every direction. reminded me of crazy zerg at the end where they just get overwhelmed all over the map and just get pulled apart.
nice simple push from light to end it. effort doesnt have the army crush skills of soulkey, and then his mutas didnt come back to buy time for the lurkers to hatch.
God hates Terrannies.Terrannies burn in Hell.Terrannies die, God laughs.Terrannies equal AIDS.Terrannies doom Starcraft. Amen.
>watching effort play vs bot>actually looks 10x stronger than protoss "pros" by just making zealots/dragons and a movinglol
>>2495213ZvP is extremely hard, on par with ZvT, actually. It's just that Tossers are retarded and stuck in MUH BISU cargo cult.
nesh v pluto was kinda shit since nesh just played like shit mostly. he scouted like shit, he played like shit, he microed like shit. it's funny how the last game is just pluto maek muta and that's all it has to do to win lmao.
>>2495204
>stryker says he has no idea how to beat pluto in game1>pluto just parks siege tanks next to highground with the marines decently far back>doesnt use his mutas to attack the tanks from a nearly invulnerable positionwhat. are all western "pros" retarded? nesh was just dogshit, stryker sounds retarded, and i imagine the protoss will be even more retarded.
>stryker then hemms and haws with mutas rather than either just attacking and killing or defending from an attack and going up in eco.... i dont think ill bother posting about the rest of the games since so far all these western players are just retarded.
a lot of pros in anything are only good at what they do in a mechanical way and if you introduce change they suck ass
>1 base tank push tvz>new buildReally? That shit is all the rage in D rank ladder.
>>2495352Mutas die to marines. Never mind marines and wraiths.
>>2495529Game 2: mutas die to marines, vultures do more damage despite suiciding than mutas do ever. Wow.
>>2495529>>2495531I guess that's why Shine won his first 2 games against Rush, because marines kill mutas and not the other way around. I can also say 2+2 is 5. Why don't you keep using the word "teranny" in every post so I can keep filtering you?
>>2495535In those games, there were more mutas than marines. Also, it was trivially easy to stop anyway, any number of turrets above three. The same thing happened with the other ladder bum against Effort the next day.
>>2495531>8 lurkers doing literally zero damage award>1000 gas for nothing awardThis happens in almost all ZvTs, by the way.
>>2495544>marines and tanks can just stay parked under swarm until it elapses and survive and just kill the lurkers under it normallyHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
>>2495549>first zvp>don't make corsairs like a faggot>don't pRoBe LiKe MaDmAn XDDDDDDDDD111111 like a faggot>don't techtroon to dts or dump all your gas into ten hts like a faggot>be 30 supply ahead >a-move>winGroundbreaking stuff.
Soma has fought Pluto. Haven't watched the whole thing but there's at least 2 ZvPs in here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8a7sLmHJCk
cheeky jaedong got the first win. i hope he smashes soma (and then soulkey) so that we can have a terran win this season (clueless)
rip game 2. jaedong retarded
fucking 3 hatch LMAO
rip jaedong
>>2496814The two Terrannies are NOT ok.
soulkey maek muta, maek hydra, then maek defiler. much skill. leta's build was very cool
dang, leta had a great build game 2 but he forget soulkey can just maek muta.
rip leta. some cool, close games that soulkey won by playing zerg and then third game was just the regular fool's errand of going mech which will never work vs a good zerg.
Just remembered that I saw many months ago Artosis telling his audience that he's choosing to be retarded by keeping with the colloquial definition of "decimation" that maintains the word is synonymous to annihilate/eradicate/destroyed. >muh retarded boomer dad thought decimate meant utter eradication and his retarded boomer before that! hurf derffff
>>2497479it unironically worked when leta went wraiths last season and just sniped all the queens before they could snipe any tanks
>>2497860ok.>>2497881in leta's attempt to become better, he neglected the one thing that would've saved him. ironic.
>>2497984>ok.Only in America can you get away with not knowing every language including your own. Sickening. Other countries are right to hate americans.
>>2498011ok.
who can stop Selma?
