menace thread, is anyone playing?just picked it up during summer sales, and its scratching an itch that the newest jagged alliance couldnt (i refunded it), so far its doing a lot of stuff right for me, just playing on my first run on normal difficulty and ran into the army dudes which were a nice difficulty spikewhats your (starter) team? for me its>pike>darby>rambonigger (gave him the pirate jump suits, an mg and some close combat weapons and hes a beast, only supression can be an issue)>bigchin pilot (standard mg and the rocket launcher seem to kill anything, if anything spamming vehicles almost seems like an overpowered strategy maybe?)i didnt know about the weary mechanic and was pissed about it at first but after hiring a few more leaders its honestly not that much of a dealfor just being early access im having tons of fun for now
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>>2444336Waiting until they add some more content. The new SLs are neat but don't really make me want to start a new run only for them and a new bughunt type mission. Probably lim, carda, pike and bog. Figure the sooner you get them the sooner they'll level up their shit attributes.
>>2444365based
>>2444336We had threads going since the early access dropped but they've died a few weeks ago with all the content talked to death. Basically everyone is waiting for more stuff to drop while the devs are taking too long to release batches of content that are way too small.
>>2444411They died because it was one of the worst generals in the history of this board.
Getting lucky with a jumpsuit early on, buying a shotgun, and taking Tech + Pike makes for a powerful jet-boosted nigger terminator. The AP count is insane
>>2444411At least they added custom difficulty options. The way to play is 200% enemy supplies and uncapped loot.
>>2444336Still waiting for more content. Sure there are new squad leaders are going to be released along with new stuff, but I would like more story content and how the TCR will get screwed if the MENACE manages to take over some of their forces (or take over their combat androids).
the lack of a strategy layer makes it hard for me to come back
>>2445126Does it go higher than 200%?
>>2444336it was fun but it lacks depthit looks great thoughi think really it needed better cover mechanics but maybe more tools and enemies can fix it
>>2445680>better coverHow so?
>>2445685most maps are vast open spacescover only applies if you are standing right next to it (unlike xcom as foil)it ranges from basically useless to utterly impenetrable with little in betweenthere are no interiors (which would make many weapons more useful and aliens less pathetic)i don't want to say>they should have just done xcom coverbut really i do because it is still the absolute goatand i full appreciate that it's a squad based game so there is the argument that you simply couldn't have that system but there isn't even any attempt at a system which is more complicated than>stand next to these tiles and get -15% chance to be hitdestroying cover might as well not be possible because it is never relevant and you can't create cover eitherif it comes down to a dichotomy, i would swap the squad system for actual cover mechanics in a heartbeat but they wanted to make their game more accessible and simple than xcom et al
>>2445744Indulge me, how isn't the cover literally how it works in nucoms? Without overwatch but with concealment but that's something else. A heavily urban planet would be great, that I agree with.
>>2445744Because the game isn't about hard cover at close ranges, it's trying to mimic a cover/suppression system. In real life most things that are "cover" can be shot through and are mostly cover from observation than from actually being hit.You people don't want them to iterate on their existing mechanics, you just want to play a entirely different game.
>>2445744I dont mind most of this stuff bit i would like more interior stuff or entire levels even>>2445656Like a jagged alliance style moving sector to sector strategy layer?>>2445114Didnt even realize that tech=tekko i thought i was extra clever building him this way when thats what everyone does apparantly>>2444743Is there some universal menace hatred or are other devs lurkung here trying to shittalk this game? Lmao whats going on
I want this game to have ja 2 1.13's equipment autism
>>2445861>i thought i was extra clever building him this way when thats what everyone does apparantlyFor me it's jump armour, shotguns, tripod heavy machine gun and an explosive charge to throw. This makes him the one squad leader equipped to counter literally any enemy in the game.
>>2445896Just too bad you could've brought two-three other SLs instead for the same cost.
>>2445911It's only about 260 supplies, not that expensive. For half that you get real shitter squads or very specialized ones.
>>2445918>we deployed three squads>one is just tek with 50 guns>other is just pike with a bag of meth>in reserve we have a greek larper oiling himself and mumbling something about armlocks and asshole drags
>>2445126>The way to play is to trivialize the game by getting a broken amount of loot and doubling the amount of loot pinatas.>Yes I ignore side objectives and will spend 10 rounds chasing down the last enemy.Why are you crvsty ass nerds like this? May as well use cheat engine to give yourself every item in the game.
>>2445777>nucomsretard
>>2446009Blame the devs for making side objectives pointless and lame.>>2445784You can shoot through cover in xcom and concealment amounts to>equip the concealment armor and equipmentSo don't pretend it's a good mechanic. It is also completely broken.Moreover you never shoot through cover here. You just abuse op cover ignoring weapons. It's also why bombardier is the only alien which is at all threatening.>In real lifeA great deal of fighting occurs in urban areas and is close quarters combat. Arenas in Menace are already primed for it but you can't even enter the giant warehouses. Even the trailer shows cqc.Some kind of cqc would solve the current issue of abusing range and concealment and armor being too expensive and shitty to compete.Also battles aboard spaceships when? We are literally space marines.
>>2446029The Fleet does the flying, the Mobile Infantry does the dying
>>2444336game cool AND funai needs more tools and smarts to counter concealmentneeds more content
After normal became too easy I restarted on challenging and holy shit. Are you supposed to only do bug mission for your first operation? Pirates kept swarming me and with the standard weapon I had no chance to kill them quickly enough, because their numbers eventually kept surpressing me and the pilot ran out of ammo. Bugs were way easier sue to range abuse and once i had 2 crowbars pirates stopped being a problem as well
>>2446030Ane space pirates in space suits called "boarding commandos" fight exclusively in atmosphere?If the game never has battles aboard ships then I will be very disappointed
>>2446074>pirates stopped being a problem as wellSkill issue. Good on you for overcoming it.
>>2446142I wouldn't hold my breath for space ops considering how heavily they're already indexed into vehicles and indirect fire heavy weapons. But it would be neat if they added some form of indoor battles.
>>2444336>is anyone playing?No. Lack of strategy layer and too much retarded ai force most of players abandon. Even most loud degenerates go away from steam forum (maybe it finally can be place for feedback).>im having tons of fun for nowGood for you.
>>2446166Vehicles are op and cqc would make currently bad things serve some kind of purpose.
>>2446242Hey, space hulk was one of the first games I ever played and I don't have a problem with them adding some more cramped maps I just don't think it's likely they'll do actual boarding actions short of a dlc couple years down the line.
>>2446242>vehicles are OPman there's some real shit takes around here lol
The new James Bond SL is the most ridiculous thing ever. Using the humble pistol to delete 3 alien warriors in a turn is pure fun.
>>2446157Well scratch that, i just got destroyed on a 3 skull contract, had to reload like 5 times. Fuckers kept swarming me while a missle truck unloaded, couldnt rush it down because i got buried in bodies and laser trucks kept my vehicle from going in.
>>2445861>Is there some universal menace hatred or are other devs lurkung here trying to shittalk this game? Lmao whats going onbeen wondering the same. this game is good, REALLY good, its everything xcom players wanted and needed that solved the "ogrewatch" issue by having layered turns and proper suppression mechanismthe only downside is that there's no indoor combat and lack of content, could also use big titty snake aliens for humans to marry and impregnate
>>2447365You're being way too generous aka the game needs a lot more time to cook before being called good. That said if you offered a blowjob and cool mil in gold bullion completely for free I'd bet you there'd be some faggot crying bloody murder just to be nasty and or contrarian.It is what it is.
>>2447372Well I should've specified that the combat is what's really 10/10. Strategic layer and base management on the other hand is just so heavily WIP that I just didnt think about mentioning
>>2447374Bro those are some piss poor standards if [use radar] + [move perma concealed sl into view] + [fire ATGM] = [solve 90% of the map like this] is a 10/10 gameplay loop for you. Game's got potential, sure, but you're going into the opposite extreme now.
>>2447392Nobody's forcing you to metagame lil bro
>>2447392>if I meta game and reduce the game to its basest elements then it sounds badthat's true for literally every game you stupid retard
>>2447365the game is basic af it just looks nice>>2447374>heavily WIPit doesn't exist at all
>>2447508>>2447414See, that's the thing. It's either one gay ass fundamentalist shit opinion or the other with zero in between and a whole lot of shitflinging just because. Faggot, I don't want to join either the cult of dev dickridding or autistically screech and shit my pants how every new game is the worst shit ever. Now if you'll excuse me I have some rogue army to farm on behalf of a not-somalian warlord in this janky game.
>>2447617Man I really didn't miss the schizophrenic>this game is super crap>but it's actually ok and I don't hate it, you secretly do which is why you're defending itposting. Fuck you're retarded
>>2447627>it's actually ok and I don't hate itYeah. That's what I said from the start. I mean why in the actual fuck would I be here or keep playing it if I hated it.You do really seem to be upset for some reason, is everything alright at home?
>>2447632>this game is pretty good>wow you have super low standards it's only *insert some shit about how bad it is*>actually I said it was pretty good>some gay reddit psychoanalysisLike I said. Fucking retarded
>>2447637Friend, if you're compelled to throwing a day long meltie complete with tactical samefagging and butthole clenched seething and malding over some random asshole calling your out your shit standards as shit (while on the shitter no less) you've got more problems than menace needing more work done. Something actual devs agree with since it's still being worked on. >>2445861 asked what's with the shittalk and muh hate, you have your answer. Tribalistic dipshits with three word vocabulary that can't even articulate why the game is bad/good and a skin so thin they immediately lash out instead of trying to.Done with your crap. Hope you get the help you need.
>>2447643>I'm doneI've heard that before>more meme psychoanalytic shitI hate how you fucking retards learn how to talk from imgur or whatever.
>>2447643>this singleplayer game lets me metagame its shit>"ok retard">REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
i kinda wish they would remove the trinket ability
>>2447859Why? It makes her the best 1-star by far.
>>2447863because i have to autistically lasthit every critter with her, i wish it was more of a passive thing or not there at all
>>2447859I just wish she wasn't shit. It's obnoxious that you want to bring her to kill things, but she's so bad at it and generally only useful as a bag and belts monkey
>>2447910>but she's so bad at it and generally only useful as a bag and belts monkeyI never had a problem with her accuracy. Just give her a kpac with hp ammo. That's enough for her to one shot anything other than some heavily armoured infantry. And give her a PAL so she can hit vehicles with its accuracy bonus. She'll generate loot well enough.
its kind of boring, they should add in subplot quests/events that affect the overall narrative
>>2447918She also has trash discipline and defense. If it wasn't for her one gimmick I would never use her for anything. I don't like any of the 1 star heroes except the Jeet and only because he can use a crowbar to suppress better than an LMG, and can tank bombardier shots
>>2447903Do what I do, which is two things: 1)use her as a heavy weapons team 2)and as cumpdump
>>2444743no, those are ofc the gsg threads which infest this board
what if they add trans SL
>>2447951The OCI update looks promising, I'm sure they'll add more to the narrative eventually if that's anything to go by
>>2447910just take the good perks that make her a scout/utility character. loot doesnt really matter in menace past a certain point. how you spread your promo points out is actually more important
How good Sy is depends on whether you use accessory heavy builds or not. If you do, having her and Darby generate refills is very powerful.
>>2448867>>2448870So don't use her perk cuz she sucks and load her with accessories like I originally said is all she's good for? Thanks a lot fellas :)
>>2444336No, I ended up dropping it because like almost every Hooded Horse dev it seems their only mission is to make the game retardedly difficult and remove the actual fun people want to see. I want a challenge, not a slog. Unfortunately I can’t refund so I’ll just leave it till the thing hits 1.0 and hope it’s good then.
>>2447372you round like a rape victim, kek
>>2447372 just because its unfinished doesnt mean its not obviously the greatest game ever made
What is the point of healing items or skills if it doesn't revive squaddies?
>>2449174He really does
>>2449163the medium difficulty isn't THAT hard anon
They may be useful if you can get your squaddie health and damage reduction up to high amounts. For example Tech with Die Hard and Haemocetan can't be killed. But I didn't find use for it in other situations. Outside of Die Hard, damage reduction is calculated weird or something because you can get it up to huge levels and still get wiped.
>>2449240I meant for >>2449226
I guess the real MENACE was... uh...
>>2444411Hadn’t played in like 5 months or whenever it came about and literally every new update since then has been like “new truck added :)” and even with that they come at a glacial pace. I’ll come back when the story is done, it’s deceptively short I was genuinely disappointed when it was over that fast and in a cliffhanger that feels like 1/3rd of the game.
>>2449163The "hooded horse is hiding under my bed" schizo is back lol
Just started the game enjoy it a lot, what would you guys recommend for the IFV? I got the autocanon and HMG but there is the short barrel tank gun on sale, but isn't it dogshit at fighting other enemy armored hostile?
>>2449302They added a new engineering mechanic for making gun upgrades out of Menace giblets and are reworking OCIs completely. Added 3 SLs and had multiple smaller patches in the meantime. Development pace seems okay for Germoids who get 9 months of vacation per year. Or i just have my standards real low because of playing Sw*dish games. Squaddies are still useless though and still 3 planets only.
>>2447627hes right tho, most of the answer people get when pointing out defects the game have feel like dev apologism
>>2449326Its good for vehicles, it usually takes out a walker in one hit but im pretty sure you cant carry troops and use it which is 90% of the point in bringing the ifv.Also a walker with two autocannons is gonna shit out almost as much damage while also being able to hit more than one unit.
>>2449311By all means, keep your jerkoff session pure. I saw OP’s post and answered it, I had no intentions of arguing. Enjoy your shitty game, I hope it becomes playable
>>2449343>I didn't intend to argue>does it anywaysAre you normally this stupid?
>>2449344this is the first post i make in this thread
reminds me of mobas, if you check reddit after a lol or dota patch drops there are always people pointing out how certain changes or lack thereof are bad and someone always answers saying that its completely fine because A or B even if its clearly not and eventually the thing that is pointed out gets changed
>>2449366i dont use reddit but when i find something that i dont like about a game i search on google to see if there are similar complains and reddit/steam forums are pretty much the only indexed places that have people talking about those things>>2449367im from argentina actually
i guess what im trying to say is that i read this entire general from time to time to see how the game progresses and i find some of the answers very reddit like
ive also noticed that there seems to be some particular form of derangement in these generals, reminds of /vg/
reminds me*
>>2449330I infinitely prefer german and their slow progress I am fucking SICK of sw*dcucks holy fucking shit after helldivers I am genuinely going to beat the first sw*de that I meet to a bloody pulp those arrogant cocksucking retarded morons should all be castrated
>>2449371>I find it very reddit likethan you should feel right at home faggot, holy shit
>>2449386but i dont use reddit
I find it absolutely hilarious how saying Menace is a good game causes some autist such catastrophical asshurt that he's forced to go on a crusade to argue with each and every anon that they're wrong
i just found out why this guy has such a hate boner for the devs. he's making an AI art version of Battle Brothers called Mercenary Brotherhood. the way the dev blogs for that game are written are similar to this guy's posts.
>>2449431And he says the game is shit because only the meta play works, but when someone agrees with him he has an alternative meltie about about how the meta play is actually fun. Same with the AI. There is no point other than no one else is allowed to be right.
Haven't tried the irish chick yet but Corlaine is my least favorite voice so far. Sounds too much like some guy at the office trying to sound gruff than the mob hitman he's supposed to be.
>>2449382Stop being dumb and gay. Grow up.
>>2449545Roslin is the only one not annoying. The China guy is kind of cringe although it's fun when other SLs clown on him for it. And he has huge damage output. The being able to fight while low on squaddies skill is also a neat bonus but not something you should aim for.About Corlain, did anyone figure out what to do with him? His skills make it seem like he should get up close, do big damage, and instantly go into concealment. Except the concealment thing doesn't work, the AI is smart enough to have object permanence.
>>2449563So far I've just been using Corlain as a second Darby I bring along for those "kill less than 50%" enemies type missions. He's okay with a DMR and handgun.Wei however is fun to use with a shotgun and jetsuit as soon as you can unlock his last skill. Zig-zag, buff, and his innate skill make him very difficult to kill after he's jumped up and destroyed two enemies.
>>2449563Corlain with a pistol and AP ammo can delete just about any infantry unit in the game with a single round of shooting. I was using him in bug city missions cuz he can easily delete 3 warriors in a single turn of shooting and has unlimited ammo.
>>2444378>Waiting until they add some more content.yeap
>>2444336Looking forward to checking this game out when it hits 1.0 next year or whatever, but hooded horse has a history of releasing early access games with big plans to begin with but end up barely different by the time of the full release
They added Citizen Vigilante to this game, best devs ever
This has to be some kind of bot something. Who the fuck types like>man I would love to love this game but *evil publisher* released it in early access and I need to wait for 1.0Never seen anyone say that in my life, and now I've seen it twice in like 20 posts lol. Be more subtle you fucking dumb fuck
>>2449651Let's hold him down and take turns raping his ass
>>2449660Unironically thisHes already screaming as if being raped, might as well make it true
>>2449651what? are you 14?
Pedro really struggling to keep up with the conversation around here
>>2449163They just added custom difficulty. I'm playing in normal, steamrolling the AI right now. It's actually to easy.
>>2444336>menace thread, is anyone playing?its ok but kind of easy and not enough content. refunded for now but maybe when it fully releases
>>2449744He's just shitposting
>>2449545You should hire the Wagner PMC, Yazhov, hes a funny guy>SL getting absolutely fucked up>Yazhov sees this>"DON'T WORRY YOUR TROUBLES ARE OVER SOON" and laughs on top of it
>>2449545i love the made up ice planet mafia slang that corlain uses>>2449563nothing personal is really good, just get close to people with smgs and murder them>>2449163im playing on 200% enemy supply and ive run into a difficulty curve that i didnt know the game had but its also making stuff thats kinda underwhelming on lower difficulties actually seem pretty useful like rend and mortars
>>2449545I think that's the point, he's pointing on an act, complete with hard-boiled words he made up himself, I think he has a few lines where he breaks character.
Bombardier got nerfed bad. RIP bugs.
Update is out. Wonder how easy it'll be to cheese mission objectives with the changes to call-ins. Before, you could already clear a few kill/destroy missions with the orbital laser without stepping a foot.
>>2450196I'll wait until I can pirate it, should only take a few hours
>>2450196You could try just not cheesing it you stupid cunt?
>>2450221I don't, since that also loses out on enemy drops. Humorous, not effective.
>>2450195good that shit is cringe
No point of an OCI upgrade if the AI still knows about the airstrikes.
>>2450354AI still hiding under your bed is it? Anyways one of the OCI upgrades allows supply to carry over, which means all is forgiven
>>2450362>AI still hiding under your bed is itTry hitting one of those rocket trucks with an airstrike. As long as you don't go near them they just stay in one place and fire so it shouldn't be hard, right?
>>2450366>forcing the enemy to displace or get destroyed has no valueThis game isn't even hard, what the fuck is wrong with your brain?
lol
>>2450505Yeah they really need to restrict several of these to one per.
>>2450505>You wouldn't pirate an OCI
how do they intend to add three more factions worth of OCI's?or is it likely the current ones will be cut in half and distributed among the new?
>>2450366Have you tried figuring out the drop ships yet my retarded brethren?
>start a 200% enemy supply run>first bug mission>kill 70% of all enemy forces (0/24)Oh yeah, this sure is going to be a playthrough
>>2450744Wait until you get to the menace and there's like 6 carriers on each map lol.
>>2450744I've been doing a thing where I put the enemy at like 160% and myself at about 120%. This strikes a perfect balance of the enemy being stronger than me but not obnoxiously so, and being able to bring a sizeable force but still having to manage my supply. It really creates the feeling of large chaotic battles without being too easy or too annoying I find.
>Update drops>Suddenly I'm over the supply by 400wtf happened
>>2450756Were you using OCI that reduced your supply costs?
MEN ASS
Not even close.
>Construct skirmishers can one shot infantry even with the toughest armor and the health upgradeI'm tired boss
>loitering airship dips after single use of whatever instead of giving me an option to dump all uses in one goYeah damage oriented call ins are still worthless.What a fucking blunder.
>>2450368It may be effective from a tactical standpoint, but it doesn't mean it isn't terribly unsatisfying to see. When I placed this, every single tile had a bug in it. The next turn they all scatter.
>>2450796I've had some uses for the massive barrage
>>2450800Delayed call-ins being fucking useless because the AI has a 6-th sense for them and avoids them like the plague has been a problem since day 1But in this case they all look morale broken hence they are all heading for map borders which is why they left the zone no?
>>2450813I'd been corralling them into the corner after they got morale broke, since on that mission they all spawn there. They avoided the edges my units could shoot at and were directly going towards the corner in the rocks. Only after the call-in did they scatter into my units line of fire.The mission was over so it hardly mattered, but it was disappointing to not see them all get shelled.
>>2450814Oh yeah that's straight up bullshit then lmao
hell no
This smuggler's cache ain't bad at all
>>2450796>I hate how there's a delay>now that there's no delay I still suck with themhave you considered just being less of a fucking shitter?>>2450813Dumbass, they always move randomly if they have AP to spare, and sometimes even if they don't. Don't pretend you haven't seen it. The fact you're still bitching about the AI being out to get you just because you're struggling with an easy game after all these months is wild.
>The new OCI nanobots that lower other OCI cost can stackLMAOFucking 10 point OCI for me
Now that's some loot
You can stack the infantry health upgrades. Can't you just then give everyone huge hp, and only use the damage reduction and regeneration drugs instead of armour? Shit seems broken.
>>2450914Then don't do it?
>>2450921Nah I'll definitely do it.
>>2450914Why not both armor and that? As long as you decided to make that guy the designated bulletcatcher.
>>2450921>also don't use ai logistic>and auto supplies>and stealth>and vision>and don't recruit too much SL
>>2450928>Why not both armor and that?Armor expensive af + ai will use AT vs heavy armor.
>>2450930>to enjoy the game fully don't play it at allkek
>>2450930Who are you quoting?
>>2450932>i can't stop myself from behaving like a nigger so this is society's faultnot really tyrone. Not everyone has to meta game and abuse mechanics in a single player game
>>2450932Yeah.>>2450933Things that break this game in one or another way.If you'd play this game you'd know.
>>2450934bro, singleplayer strategy games have gotten to the point where any retard will stumble across at least one broken mechanic. The "meta strategy" in this case isn't what wins the game the hardest, but something you have to look up to find out how to make the game actually enjoyable to play
>>2450935I'd only wish the schizo used a trip so he's easier to filter
>>2450931Yeah. Heavy armour is also very rare while different drug types are readily available on the market from the midgame. And not even the heaviest armour will withstand stuff like laser lances and mining lasers .In theory with maxed out hp upgrades, and using both drugs you can just take that and regenerate instantly. Depends on whether there is a cap on resistance though.
>>2450935>I can't stop myself from using a broken mechanic>then don't>waaaah then I can't play the game at allYou're a retarded nigger, fuck off>>2450936>any retard will find a way to break it and it's the developers job to stop them>otherwise the game isn't funwhat are you even on about retard? Holy shit what a stupid post.
>>2450941>just don't use or interact with half of mechanics As anon said, with the same result we can just not play at all.
>>2450938Shit, you came back. Everyone pack it up, the thread is dead.
>>2450941yes retard, it's the dev's job to make a balanced game, not the player's job to endlessly tweak settings and restrict what he can use in order to have an actual difficulty
>HH shill is raiding the thread againgrim
>>2450946Do you work for red hook? Having the developer endlessly micro balance the game to stop retards from abusing mechanics and whining about it cuz they just can't help themselves from finding and abusing them is fucking nigger shit. This isn't a moba and this isn't a problem for 99% of us>but muh balanceIt's a single player strategy game. Who gives a fuck you dumb cunt.
>>2450948What are you even talking about?
>>2450949the point is that there are so many broken mechanics it's more difficult to find something not to abuse you faggot, are you even reading? Did you start the game immediately knowing you shouldn't use x y and z strategies? How long did it take for you to make the game fun to play? Any game developer, videogame, tabletop, or whatever the fuck is meant to make something enjoyable off the bat, not require that from the player
>>2450952Fuck man. Do you legit believe that?
>>2450954lmao I accept your concession
>>2450952Lol
>>2450955Hooded Horse hiring shills to scream at anyone showing even the tiniest inkling of dissent toward a game is a well known practice.
>>2450963>tiniest hint of dissentWhat are they? The stasi?
>>2450951while on this train of thought, I'll coin these games "inverse difficulty". Rather than learning the game to discover ways to succeed, your goal is to find out how to barely avoid losing. Mastery comes in understanding the ins and outs of skill/equipment combos and AI attitudes with the sole purpose to play as mediocre as possible. Close to roleplaying, but that runs the risk of stumbling across something that is too good in your desired setup, so it becomes more of a variant of metagaming.perhaps some might see the appeal in this, but to me it speaks of lazy devs relying on the playerbase to fix their game while asking for them to pay for the privilege
>>2450986>describes literally half of all video games, including many of the most famous and highly ranked ones>thinks he's onto some fresh, hot takebrilliant work sherlock
>>2450988to different degrees, correct. I disagree where menace stands on that scale
>>2450963There's like 20 people on this thread topsYou might be retarded
>>2450990I just don't understand what about this game has everyone so agitated. One guy is obsessed with shazam posting, another literally thinks the publisher is lurking in the thread to silence dissent, many minor things that are common to every game ever made are blown wildly out of proportion. It's kind of fascinating really. Nobody actually talks about the game, they only endlessly shit post about literally every single mechanic, every change to those mechanics, and every lack of a change.
>>2451002it's a game I want to like but at its current stage too many of the details fall short of an enjoyable experience. But I still check it out each major updateotherwise it's simply that confrontational shitposting begets confrontational shitposting
>>2450974No, stasi just partially funded them :^)
Not gonna lie I was expecting a lot more from the literal siege tank
>>2451055Yeah it's a trap. The gun is such balls and its only use would be launching it into a cluster of infantry, but they all scatter long before it can get close enough. The battle tank isn't bad though. The armour and weapon selection can make for a real nice tip of the spear on certain maps.
Alright time to uninstall I guess
>>2451066See you in two months for another nothingburger update!
>drives tonk>always happy to be driving tonk>even while everything's falling apart, he's just happily rolling around blowing things upAchilleas a cool dude and don't afraid of nothing.
>>2450941I'm glad you're still here, your retarded meltdowns are the only entertaining thing about these threads
>>2451080I'm sure you're a real expert in retarded meltdowns
>>2451072I wish I could justify taking him in the starting four, that increased supply cost is so painful.
This game seems to attract some serious schizos
>>2450936>if this singleplayer game doesn't go out of its way to cull meta so autistic retarded niggers like me wont abuse it then its a shit gameHoly fuck shut the fuck up you absolute shitter
>>2451124Never seen a turn-based singleplayer game buckbreak so many niggers before who'll fill the entire thread with autistic rage like its ASSFAGGOT gameGame's basically better XCOM combat and aesthetics-vise, why schizos target this game out of all things?
>>2451138it clearly has the potential to be the greatest game of all time atleast in its genre. when youve played 15 terrible jagged alliance clones made by eastern europeans you will understand
how do I get the MBT?
>>2451149Kill one (pops up in later Rogue Army missions) or buy it for exorbitant prices on the Black Market.
>>2451170>Kill oneUnfortunately it's not actually part of the loot tables, you can get it on the market, but if you kill it in game (even with the option for every enemy to drop loot) it doesn't end up being loot.Think it used to be a while back, but that was changed at some point.
When do they estimate it leaving early access? I'm very against playing games while they're in EA but I'm also very interested in this and Mars Tactics.
>>2451214its gonna take years at the current pace to be realistic. but i dont think they will have issues with funding
For fuck's sake let me start a new game with different SLs so I don't have to play the fucking gacha roulette every time to see if I MIGHT get to play with an SL I haven't used before
>>2451189>Unfortunately it's not actually part of the loot tableare you sure about that>>2450875
>>2451282>finished dozens of missions involving blowing up tanks>not a single one droppedI guess I'll just go fuck myself in that case.
Does anyone else think the orbitals should give support module ammo drops as a baseline?I'm stuck not upgrading one of these because ammo is too important to not have
>>2451295I feel you, just got done with a mission where i killed two mbts (with enough rpg and hmg fire, anything can happen) and didn't get any of those two.
>>2451335Yeah there some weird decisions in oci rework.
>>2451340Just as I say that, this dropped during the next mission:
>>2451356Messes up previous capture, here it is
>new campaign>200% enemy supply>give myself 125% supplyTwo operations later, I am raped on heavy weapons. I can handle the pirate swarm, but when two boarding commandos rush my ass with counter-attack, heavy armor and stun grenades during a defense mission where I'm stretched thin, it gets brutal real fucking fast without a CMG 50
>>2451080>>2451091I'm actually the retard in this instance because I quoted the wrong post. Forgive me sensei
>>2451364>first op against rogue army>second mission is POW rescue>13 infantry squads>5 weapon teams>invisible jaeger team marking me>one HQ>>>8 light mechsDeepstriking Tech with shotguns and boarding commando jump packs to deal with the mortar was not the play
>>2450744I'm trying impossible run ironman (67% own supply, 200% enemy, 1 SL, 8 squadddies only, etc). And this can be done with Carda. Wait until her ability maxes out. Hang in the LZ. let the bugs come to you one by one (they patrol and will see you eventually). ARC is required. Melee bugs are no problem. Ranged bugs: wait for when they appear. they'll stay outside ARC's firing range. Next turn do two tiles forward and fire. You'll almost always kill them from that range.You may have to tank 2-3 hits. I was unlucky and lost one squaddie. Never crouch, it's a death sentence - you won't be able to move away quickly enough. If you don't kill a bug squad in one attack it's basically over and you need to restart. If there are bugs alive seeing you at the end of your turn you will always get overwhelmed unless most of them are already dead.
>>2451921Why Carda and not Darby?Also, not from start but Jean one of best solo with proper build.
>no more 60% of allied unit destroyed>there 2 retardsWith the same efforts it can be "no more 99% of allied units destroyed".
>>2451936Man you truly do complain about the dumbest possible shit
>>2451958Still valid reason to complain, what's your problem with bumping this dead thread?
>>2451962>the room is silent so everyone needs to hear my most useless and autistic thoughtsThey really don't. It's a slow board and a slow thread, and you're a dumb cunt, might as well just by typing "bump" if you're gonna use that as your justification
>>2451965No, i will post anything i want, while you should go to eddit or iscord or anywhere else.
>>2451967Lol you type like a bitch
>>2451986Cry more.
>>2451993Ironic isn't it?
>>2451998No?Try to visit a doctor, look like your brain is damaged.
200% enemy supply gets a little funny
>>2452002200% is mistake.You probably will be locked with ui bug, there like ~100 units limitation for map.
>>2452010That's okay, it happens when menace shows up anyway.
i love this nigger so much, second operation second mission, without him literally no chance of winning this>rescue local forces, literal cancer mission without vanguard deployment>get super lucky boarding suit in first operation>on top i find the m6 cmg in the blackmarket second operation>trade all my shit in for the good stuff>normally i run him on 2 squaddies and default weapon, but pike is injured, and i cant spend my supplies anyway>let local forces smoke themselves as good as i can>(one flamethrower fucker gets through)>jump-boost mah boi in>it's supressin timefucker held the whole map down and triggered moral loss after moral loss and cleared 1-2 squads every round what a beast
>>2452021Jetpack heavy MG tek really is fucking stupidly good. Hope they keep adding more fun body armor with utility like that. Maybe something with a built in EMP or flamethrower since those are never worth taking on their own. Or like a jetpack accessory since you can only get that shit off of boarding commandos. Pirate captains if you're super fucking lucky. Tier V plate with flying sounds retarded in the best way possible.
>>2452021for me, it's lim in the early game. snag up an SMG and boost him to mobile infantry asap. Too bad APCs fall off hard as soon as Rogue Army triggers. But those first three ops, Lim kills half the map on his own.
>>2452072If she was less annoying or at least hot I'd field her. Hope they keep adding new pilots since only the boomer and Tarantino chin are the best skill and personality wise. Gabriel a little too on those nose but his kit good. Anyone try the new lady pilot? I got high hopes looking at her.
>>2452078She's good. She offers another way to get scout on a vehicle, her special is incredibly useful early game, and free objectives is a nice steady bonus. And overtime is broken as fuck
new manpower cap is shit desulike 200 marines were thanos snapped into thin air and disappeared from my shipbut then again my fault for still playing my extreme difficult pre-patch #11 run for forever
>>2452072thank you for your service
Update progress seems pretty slow, I don't see a reason to return just yet
>>2452110What the fuck could you ever need that many squaddies for anyways?>>2452157I'm sure you won't be missed
>>2452163I will be missed though
I think Rewa is the only attractive jeet ever depicted in media desu
>>2452167for be rewarding of this post i will be of rewarding you 100 google play card redeempost discord for redeem
Imagine darby sweaty and stinky post op bouncing on it. Yummy.
I want to recruit all the swuaddies but my maximum authority is getting raped is there a mod or something?
>>2452179Yeah with her futa cock out flopping everywhere so fucking hot
>>2452181YUCKY
>>2452182Mods we've got an anti-trans poster here, order up
>>2452167
Greek guy is much better>gets more AP the less health he has>perk with insane armor pen at closer range>perk that makes him immune to ATGM instagib>makes Lim mutter a confused "what the fuck?" to his lines
>>2452202He unremarkable until you get him on 1 hp w/o defects, and then he will die from single funny look on his side, while he expensive af.While Rewa have lot of damage and acc bonuses.
>>2452221for be rewarding of this post i will be of rewarding you 100 google play card redeempost discord for redeem
>>2452239>hurr durr
>>2452241what do you say to me timmy
>>2452167I wish minorities were as cool as the sl’s
>>2452181Based based BASED
Damn i havent played since launch and these new menace units are chapping my ass. In general it seems like the menace has been buffed.How do you handle them? What teams do you run? They are doinking my mbts and keep hiding in insane ambush areas/sniping with those skirmisher niggers.Thinking of investing in some ship upgrades like target desi (for my cardo atgm team) or perhaps heavy rockets.
>>2452277https://steamcommunity.com/app/2432860/discussions/0/578299159633941890/
>>2450963Meds
Btw about running ai from attack range zone.It still present. Tested today.Hidden unit was 1 tile away from zone. 2 enemy untis sat on their asses during like 5 turns, so i restated.Next try whey sit like 4 turns until there come 2 more units, and one of them come in range of detection my hidden unit.3d try i move my hidden units closer, so both of initial enemies step away from attack range. And when 3d+4th units was near one of them also come to spot my hidden unit.
>>2452253>I wish minorities were as cool as the sl’sThey can be when they grow up in military households
This is the most okay/10 game I've seen in this category.It's better than all the nucom variants except maybe Phoenix Point and worse than the good XCOM games and Battle Brothers.I can't think of ways to make it more interesting either.
apparently trucks can (or always?) explode and do a lot of damage to unit standing on the tile next to them>fight already won, just salvaging>went from 6 squaddies to 1 despite buff and heavy armor>almost shit my pants
>>2452323>phoenix pointWhat the fuck is wrong with you anon?
>>2452303>it's real in my headI've seen nothing of the sort for months now. The only real complaint I have about AI is one missions where you have to capture and hold a point, they tend to just hide at the edge and never really do anything, but that's an obvious bug on one type of map.
>>2452342>I've seen nothing of the sort for months now.I literally cap this with video. And i even was mind about upload it later.Now you upset me for no reason with your grintext so no video for you.Hope at least you feel good with it, since obviously you can't earn even 10 cents for posting in this thread.
>>2452323It actually not.They make some weird decisions initially. They add even more now.No ballistic. Magic smokes. Magic printer. Arbitrary supply cap. Arbitrary enemy scaling and costs. Awful balance, it literally not exist in half of cases. One grenade throwed per squad, even if every of squaddies have kpac with nade launcher. Squad do nothing when support weapon used, and when primary weapon used owner of support weapon do nothing. Supply cost for naked squaddies so high so 3 star naked squad cost like apc.Etc, etc, etc.
do NOT criticize this game the devs will not tolerate it this game is excelent and i love LGBTQIA2+ and will he banned mother fucker i fuck you 2 inches
Actually got banned in discord after saying few of this takes btw.
>>2452463Not surprised, leftyslop communities are always delusional narcissist shitholes that ban wrongthink
>>2452327They can. Any vehicle can.My yesterday experience>completed mission, 0 losses, last truck on map>well i'll just sidestep with Darby and maybe she will get buff for numbers of killed enemies, it's literally 10 sec>missclick to move close instead of keep 1 range distance and 8 squaddies deadYou just can;t imagine my face in this moment.
>>2452453Put up or shut up Rajesh>>2452462>no you have to listen to my schizo nonsense or you're a shillThis game is getting real old lol
>>2452562for be rewarding of this post i will be of rewarding you 100 google play card redeempost discord for redeem
>>2452566Trying too hard Rajesh
>>2452569silence timmy and put more of us in your game
>>2452578I'm sorry, I don't speak pashtun or whatever
>>2452589you understand me bloodey bitcher
i like video games
>>2452594¿Que?
>>2452598wtf is that real
>>2452598>giving my beserk/counterstrike squaddies pirate jetpacks and high tier weapons, lead by tech with a hmgVery fun flying into the enemy ranks and hosing em down. Giving one a target designator also allows for a sl staying behind to lob atgms at anything they cant deal with.
R228A1 MRS vs BR6A1 HaMER?Leaning toward hammer.
>>2452690Hamer
>>2452690Hammer. I really wish the MRS was worth it because it just looks so cool, but the Hammer just outfucking skills everything at range.
What's the best ammo for the big fuckhuge assault rifle?
>>2452721You mean heavy one? Apa.
>>2452721Pretty sure it's hollow points for the battle rifles, since it helps them meet HP damage breakpoints, but I'm not a big spreadsheet kinda guy
I am a simple anon, I enjoy simple things>see radar return>I click it with the funny lil martian and her 14.5mm Kord>no more radar return
>>2452913>see radarMan you see fleeing bug here. You see both white icon and models.
>>2452921so?
Which SLs do you ship, anons?
>>2452991Darby and every white female SL
>>2452986So you just bait to clicks.>>2452991There only one true ship: Major, Frankie and Darby.
>>2449591idgion one hand they can put in based stuff (look at some character descriptions) but on the other hand it's mostly browns and womenwhat gives?
>>2453032>whites account for like 8% of the global population>half of SLs are whiteSeems we're doing alright
>>2453032Rosenberg paid them to add a certain quota of mystery meat SLs
>>2453040They did pretty gud except for the tryhard OC donutsteel pajeette that should honestly be removed from the game due to her retarded lines alone
>>2453049
imagine u drop down to fight some menace and they lookin at ur ass like this
>>2453049for me its how she mechanically functions. its like the gave her all the best perks
This is unironically a good concept for an SL
What's the point of suppression when you can kill? I feel like it's one of the games the plays entirely different than what the devs imagined.
>>2453225>but hitler wasn't having it!kek based black kween
>>2453276The idea is that the machine gun makes the target keep their head down so they can't do anything about the riflemen moving around their fortification so they can shoot them in the side or back.This doesn't work in videogames very often because cover is too complex to implement well.Cover tends to be pretty binary, either you're in cover and take no damage or you aren't and get rekt. This game models it so that even if you are in cover you take some damage, so flanking isn't required and the better tactic is to keep shooting until the target dies rather than expose yourself trying to manouver around them.Also the other problem with suppression in real life is that it doesn't work if there is nowhere to manouver to because the front line is an actual 500km long line.
I like the scot pilot girl you get from ZB. Easily least amazing of the honor guard, but it's a joy to hear her voicelines.
>>2453295>Also the other problem with suppression in real life is that it doesn't work if there is nowhere to manouver to because the front line is an actual 500km long line.IRL small unit tactics allow for this, and it kinda sorta works in the game. Fire and maneuver doesn't always mean flank, you can simply win the firefight, suppress your opponent and then leapfrog advance on his position. It's why defensive positions have to have overlapping arcs of fire to prevent this, but then the attacker brings superior numbers to counter this problem. The issue is the game simply has too many units on a field at once for it to work. They need to reduce the amount of enemy units, reduce the amount of damage taken in long range gun fights and increase the effects of suppression and make it so isolating and destroying relatively strong individual units is a thing more than just gunning down hordes of chaff as efficiently as possible which is what it currently is. This would also make grenades far more effective and important since, just like real life, a dug in enemy that you've suppressed is best dealt with by simply posting grenades into his position
>>2453297>Easily least amazing of the honor guardI'd say the chink wins that one. He's good, but he's entirely replacable and doesn't do anything that other strong infantry squads can't do.The tank girl has some personal traits that actually do something that can't be replaced, and Overtime is stupid good when it kicks in.
>>2453340Maybe I'm just having that impression due to her special being utterly useless past very early game.
>>2453424Yeah her starting perk is lame, but I guess a free squaddie is a free squaddie.Insurance is uniquely good though, since it allows you to ignore one objective on every mission without any impact on your economy. The higher the difficulty, the higher the value it brings. Short Squeeze is potentially good but awkward to set up, License Agreement is a bit niche but it's still a guaranteed disable on some very powerful enemies, and Overtime is just amazing since it's a free shot that costs no ammo, and it works with accessory weapons as well. With Tankbuster, Overtime, and a long tank gun, she can basically one-shot anything.
>>2453473Her starting ability is strong as hell early game. Being able to wipe out an enemy squad, having it act as a decoy for at least one enemy attack, and provide vision around it is insanely strong for only 40 AP and no ammo cost. And the amount of times I've seen a conscript squad immediately turn around and murder an RA weapons team or Scavengers RPG a rocket truck is pretty significant. The free squaddie is just a bonus.
marta how she was meant to be played btw
>>2453533Seems like a waste on someone that can take mobile infantry.
>>2453533and this old fuck frontally cripples and routs a heavy tank with his first shot, kek
>>2453032they have a diversity quota to meet
interesting game idea suggestion: tactical squirrel with infinite range but can only kill one enemy squad member at a time
start posting, stop letting the thread die, there will be consequences
200% enemy supply makes the game so much more fun
They should just remove the magazine pouches. There's no point to balancing the game this way or imposing an equipment tax whenever the difficulty goes up. Make the additional ammo option default and free up those slots for a variety of tools that meaningfully change the game. [ancient old opinions from prehistoric times]Woo being behind the Backbone is dumb, no more medical facilities is dumb, or at least multiple quarters sure seem to have a minuscule actual rescue chance compared to just one adv medical bay. This cripples the player when going up against high enemy supply settings because the attrition rate becomes too extreme. Orbital OCIs having their uses tied to operations I can understand because they were trivializing structure destruction missions, but this approach really makes these things feel like they have no real purpose in the long run.
>>2453680i kinda like having the option of bringing more squad weapon ammo, you are usually better off bringing something else tho because long term high intensity rifle use is pretty rare outside of early game since rifles arent great at dealing with vehicles and heavily armored infantry at long range. how much ammo your squad weapon has simply doesnt matter all of the time, it only matters some of the time. run more mid size and small squads with machineguns and all your ammo issues with squad weapons tend to go away, but it still lets you run a few bigger rifle squads who might actually need more than 16 shots per mission
Wait a second is the jeeta skill based on ramming/running over people a reference to juggernaut culture? it makes too much sense
>>2453721shes a nuclear gandhi reference
>>2453308This entire conversation revolves around the study of battlefield density which is one of those crucial factors in military science that never gets mentioned outside of professional circles.What we are describing here is the problem of the dense battlefield, in that you can't go anywhere without running into a gun barrel. So you can't suppress and flank because the flanking squad would step out of cover and get shot by the 3 other enemy squads.As technology progresses, we are getting this strange effect where battlefield density increases without a corresponding increase in manpower, which is why actual modern ground warfare is about groups of 3-5 guys on the front line, each supported by a hundred others running drones, communications, jamming and analysis for them and there might be one tank involved.And said 3-5 guys barely ever shoot their rifles, they instead get told exactly where, when and how to throw grenades.Menace hasn't gotten to that level of boringness, but it gets worse every time a more powerful long range option is introduced.So how do you fix this? The obvious answers are bigger maps or smaller forces, but personally I doubt it's really fixable and the correct answer is to milk the fun out of this game until the novelty wears off and then go back to playing Battle Brothers or whatever.
>>2453756Battle brothers is a true gem and this is unlikely to ever be a better game. I wish they realised that themselves. On the other hand, given current year, going back to BB and trying to either remake it or heavily focus on expanding it now could only ruin it so idk. Monkeys paw is a real thing
>/fit/ competition aboard ship>leg day skippers denied victorylol
>>2453308lmgs in game lets you do frontal advances on suppressed enemies like you describe. finishing them at close range with a small assault squad armed high pen smgs is very cost effective in menace. we are just a tricky terrain formation away from finishing these units with grenades being the most effective way to play if they also had better effect vs the great armor that the average RA unit has
Imagine having orbital support and using it
>>2453903That's my favourite way to play. What I'm saying though is it doesn't feel like a battle where I come under contact, go through the battle drills and then isolate, close with and destroy the enemy and advance to the next contact. Instead I get swarmed by shitters, I mass suppress/break them, slaughter them at range without issues and then spend a dozen turns cards can moving over the map completing meaningless objectives. This game has the potential to rally mimic real world tactics but it in their sci to setting, but instead it just doesn't quite take advantage of its own mechanics and logic.
>>2453913it's so annoying how almost every mission has a fucking objective for avoiding collateral
>>2453913I've also grown fond of just flattening any fortified position or just carving a corridor through a city with mass bombardment.Looking forward to getting the OCI that gives 3 extra uses per ship weapon so I can dump 6 barrages per mission.>>2453980This is where the irish pilot comes in. She just auto-completes that side objective so you can just glass anything that bothers you.
>>2453913>exploding vehicles destroyed adjacent buildings causes you to fail secondary objectivesthat's some bullshit, should I wait until it moves?
It's always funny when a pirate Toyota rolls to explode like a mini nuke. If only you could guarantee at least one per mission.
>cutely shouts 'hoaah'
>>2452721Workshops assault rifle with hollow point is actually insane. It regularly one bursts construct soldiers with the new chink sl. He is overpowered imo.
>>2452991Dialogue between molly and harlan is funny and cute. They hatefuck. Turns into something.Kody and Karda pair up after he realises she’s actually a badass and she enjoys softening his heart. Pile stays entirely professional and mentors everyone, particularly karda. Emphasises how cooked the menace are…but he is sometimes seen sneaking off to do late night briefings with hayflick…hmmmIvory and karda are best pals and like sisters, but ivory enjoys treating achillies like a bit of a dork, he gets flustered around her and they eventually get together.Excinde says hea staying pure and celebrate but in truth regularly stops by dice brothels and takes leave to “pray” with civilians the tcr saves on missions. A bit of a player.Garry “bog” when not sleeping is just hanging out with everyone. He teaches the new sls about marine technology and is kind of a grandad. He seems to have history with zama and drinks booze with him while also playing online videogames with zama. Seems like they knew eachother in core worlds. Surprisingly pike regularly asks him for support and guidance, hes old but hes shockingly wise since getting through the wayback.Tank regularly takes a shuttle to frankies private ship to dick her down and pop bottles. Chad. Major and him high five.Jane tries to keep things professional but eventually ends up doing some long range recon with Fedor. Hes kind of a crazy bad boy but jean is in fact just as if not scarier. They regularly chop shit about combat techniques and after fighting the menace his love for money turns to protecting the things he loves (choclate jane nooky).I pair the jeets together. Renu is calmed down and ends up being more vulnerable.Wentworth the aussie ex ceo ends up mentoring jean since shes a scion of a coreworld ceo and she has mad daddy issues. They have a father daughter thing thats normal and not freaky.Wuwei and jaques are fruity little fags. Real sodomy shit. Lots of leather. Yuck.
>>2453677Im doing this with a run that focuses on sneaky vanguard teams. All my guys have vanguard, i got the ship upgrade, gave everyone camo nets and the dice best concealment armor, smgs with armor piercing ammo or silenced weapons.You can literally put your entire team right beside targets. 80 of the map is deployable. Its awesome.
>>2454395Did you steal this faggot shit from reddit?
>>2454395You should feel bad about yourself, for multiple reasons.
>>2454574>>2454670Im a developer and this is the canon story development. When we ad sl interaction update you will see what I mean.
>>2454395
>>2454395>Wuwei and jaques are fruity little fags. Real sodomy shit. Lots of leather. Yuck.>oui, mon ami, I think you got ze wrong door, ze leather club is two blocks down>fuck you
I'm actually surprised at how viable the humble shotgun remains well into the late game. I run Lim with basic pirate commando jetsuit and REND ammo plus usually EMP rifle and it still shreds all the infantry.
>>2454815Shotguns have a couple of hidden bonuses which make them perform way better than their stats would suggest. Most importantly they can hit multiple elements per shot, and their damage (partially) scales with the target's health.desu I really hate it when games hide info like this.
>>2454797>-30% armor costs for jaques>turns up to op in the gachi outfit>pike has drill sergeant hat on>”disobedience huh?”
new SL concept just dropped
>>2454972do you just want to shit up the thread and get people to leave?
>>2454975no way i love this thread and i love you anon
second SL concept: mutated joker shroomabilities: smoke cigar (RP), teleport to grass tile, joker laugh (suppresses enemies due to scariness)
>>2454975You only just figured that out?
>>2454983stop being paranoid
>>2453118This goes hard
>>2454980fuck i hope they implement this one, genuinely such a good idea
>>2454972>rent freeYou're less funny and more brown than any of the SLs lol
>>2455025we dont appreciate racists here btw watch yourself
third SL character concept: george droidabilities: niggawatt 9000 (instantly kills half a squad), fentbooster system (+30 AP for two turns, dies afterwards), we can rebuild him (never permanently dead)
>>2453533time to light some pirate fucking shits up
>fully specced up wagner guy>night op against space somalis>goes Grupa Alfa on their asses soloFucking love this shit when games give you opportunities to really flex on the starting enemies
>>2455045It would unironically be awesome to see a sl with some menace tech/cyborg shit going on. Bog has robot legs but hes an old fuck. Backbone leader has robot arms. We need robo sls.
>>2455053I see another smg with ap chad is here. A man of refinement and culture indeed. Give carda/harlan the movement drugs as well and it becomes even better.Also, the pirate captain unit can drop an upgraded jetpack suit.
>>2455122Yaz is great. I give him the rare russian themed armor and menace aks. He puts work in. Any sl that does extra damage/has counterstrike is insta include in the roster. If you get on a moral collapse role with him he can solo entire missions.
what do you think about the REDACTED rifle (pic related), insanely strong compared to the other craftable stuff imho and doesnt even need that much materials
fourth SL character concept
>>2455222>I see another smg with ap chad is here. A man of refinement and culture indeed. Based, the weapon just melts construct shitters up close (or anything really besides heavy vehicles), with a full squad it even one taps the 3 constructs + I finally hit 100ap on her so I can jump in and shoot finally>Give carda/harlan the movement drugs as well and it becomes even better.She got supressed a lot in past missions, but idk if her stats got to high but she doesnt get attacked that often anymore so i switched to the movement drug>Also, the pirate captain unit can drop an upgraded jetpack suit.No luck for now I didnt even get the weapon yet, but i also didnt get jean for trinketing
>>2455400It’s incredibly strong, especially with hollow point ammo and given to pike/jeet with their special “squad weapon only” perks.
>take the -1 waiting time for orbital weapons oci>massive barrage arrives after 1 turn as expected>the follow up strikes arrive immediately after any action
>>2455783>take -1 turn upgrade>upgraded ion cannon>melt 2/3s of the enemy team as soon as I make contactalmost feels like I'm playing world in conflict
>terrain devblog>complete overhaul of terrain and mapsprolly proper urban maps nextZ!
the new terrain update seems like it could add more cover in open maps and make them less shittybut it wont>>2455838>prolly proper urban maps next>with no interiors>ever
>>2455954Holy shit nigger, give it a rest.
>>2455965there is literally no way to make urban maps not complete shit with the existing systemthere are reasons why the closest thing the game has to "urban" environments is a bunch of shitty tents in the middle of an empty plain
>>2455968>nigger refuses to give it a restnot sure why you're talking to me
>>2454358Where does her nose go
>>2454358Carda has a heart of gold, but you just know she can be scary when she snaps. In a few decades she will lead the martian military.
>>2455968You played the new city missions? I agree with your point but they look half decent.
>>2456015If you left me in a room with her I would rape her full of indian children in an instant
>>2456039Silence timmy we rule your video game
>>2456052I will come to rule your toilet benchod
>>2455979
>>2456071See >>2456061
>>2456052good riddance to another racist chud
menace /vst/ros where we at
are they going to add a fucking MEDBAY eventually?i've got Quarters upgrades on 2 Hull slots and still only 35% rescuse chance with no guaranteed rescue
>>2455838Aren't urban bug maps proper?What's wrong with them?
>>2453619so you want to turn the main tank gun into a squirrel?
>>2456374Too bad bro, they wanted to make the KIA callouts really mean it.
>>2456374The squaddie resource kind of needs to be permanently strained or at least fluctuating. You can turn the settings off in a new game to stop squaddie death.To be honest any squaddie death should be a rarity if you are playing correctly, you should MAYBE lose a handful during 3 star menace ops or after using vanguard in a poor position. Also, blackmarket gives you the option to buy them for a reason. If you don’t want to pay, stop letting your boys die. What enemy units/scenarios are giving your sqaddies trouble?
>>2456091Renu and Sachin built up a modicum of jeet tolerance but then I am thrown back to my previous disposition by their typical behaviour. They have actually killed this website with their behaviour. Reporting/jeeting up the boards among other swarthy types. What a shame, the internet used to be cool.
>>2456377I wish we had urban maps for the other factions but imagine the menace suicide bomb units? They already sit behind structures and ambush on mixed terrain maps…it would suck…but also afford cqc sl’s more opportunities.
Restarting for the OCI rework and customizable difficulty. I'm enabling cheaper armors, and you guys can't stop me.
>>2456564there are times in the midgame where its almost impossible to avoid casualties on highest custom difficulties. its wildly rng based tho
>>2456091What are you even on about?
>>2456564>To be honest any squaddie death should be a rarity if you are playing correctly,if you meta game like a bitch and use concealment maybe, real chads use boarding armor and accept losses
Overtime works even on non-targets. Here the squad to the left was hit with collateral spread from the Griffin miniguns and that was enough to trigger the ability (direct fire on them even). Does this work on the long spray attack of the miniguns? I'm certainly about to try the next time I get a chance.>>2456688Real men hire Jean Sy because that's what's available on a operation going bad and she causes even more losses because she can't hit the broad side of two barns.
>>2456738Just had this trigger with dual mgs as well. Interesting…I wonder if it works with howitzers?
add more indian SL
>>2448290Bump
I agree that Indians are subhuman, but we really don't need to turn this thread into a designated shitting street just to hate on them.
>>2457081Are you fucking new? This thread has been a dumpster fire literally since its inception.
>>2457090Ah yes. That means we need to continue doing everything we can to make the thread worse, in the name of tradition.
>>2457095No, it's more that I can feel no obligation to try and make this thread better. Nobody else seems to want to, and the janitor is actively making it shittier, as he's been doing for months now lol.
I just dont care bout all that shit, I just post cool stuff from menace.Reminder that Frankie is for leglocking mating-press
Any ideas for a good cheap support vehicle? Tried a lot of stuff, but grenade launcher on a pirate truck seems the best, m6 is quite good too, but tech already fills that niche better and cheaper, just need a role to fill that isnt radar and cheap-ish>>2457137>I just dont care bout all that shit, I just post cool stuff from menace.me neither, I just would like it to stop, its not even good shit posting
>>2457137Is Menace any good? If it is as ball crushing as Battle Brothers im out. How early access is it? Is there a feeling that theres a campaign to do?
>>2457210No.Up to 33% (i want to believe it's 15%, too much things need to fix).No.
>>2457210Yes. Several difficulty options. Campaign is like couple of hours long and transitions to endless mode because story is still WIPIgnore the schizo, he got bent over and assraped bt every member of the devteam and now is on an autistic crusade to shitpost in the general as revenge to cope with his ruined ass
>>2457212>is it any good>no, it sucksGood thread
>>2457137I accepted her video on this run and it actually was naughty but self deletes after one viewing, then she sent over a oci component gift barge lol. Never has that event ended that way lol
>>2457205Double machine guns on a ifv with engine booster and ammo. Its about 300ish and effective against nearly everything outside of heavy armor.Cheap pirate trucks are not worth bringing at all. The tcr car with an atgm, camo net and booster is also good for having an immediate atgm on anything. Position it diagonally, then use rhe booster to reposition and fire onxe you spot something. Combines well with the oci targeting relay.Another good option is a rosin with scout ability and optics upgrade mounted on something fast, you can use it as a highly mobile targeting/scouting vehicle.The crocodile rifle also allows for quick suppression and killing important targets. I wouldn’t mount the grenade launcher unless the sl has the aoe ability.
>>2457219Does it play more like nuxcom or old xcom?
>>2457383Its similiar, but on completely another level. Turns are layered, you order around one squad/vehicle and then hit "end", the enemy does the same. Then its your turn to move another squad/vehicle and so on. You dont get the LOS dodging and "kill everyone on first turn" issue nuxcom had. No ogrewatch either. Armored tanks, IFVs and MBTs behave and function very much based on common sense. Both inf and vehicles have morale, but only inf can be suppressed. So you can just pin down inf and force them and vehicles to flee if they witness casualties and/or receive enough fire.Theres handful of enemy factions that behave and fight very differently so you get to try out all sorts of equipment.No sims-tier customization of dudes like in xcom tho
>>2457383nucom, sadly
>>2457229It’s already been paid for by the German taxpayer, there’s little incentive to actually fix shit. It’s like HBS Battletech, mods might fix it in several years but vanilla will always be absolute ass.
>>2457407We heard you the first 400 times Rajesh, nobody asked you to repeat yourself
>>2457420Calm your tits, Muhammad.
>>2457420>see how the germanoid recoils when named, “I’ve been found out” he exclaims CopeSeethe Anon is 100% correct. vanilla is ass and it needs mods and the devs are dragging ass because they’ve already been paid
Menace is really addicting game, its biggest downside is that its not being updated fast enough
>>2457434Yeah, more content, some better balance, and, if the new updates still haven't fixed this since I haven't played in a couple months, better AI that doesn't run away all the time, and the game would be really fucking good. But the core for a great game is there. Speaking of not having played in a while, is the fixed-weapon tank remotely good yet?
>>2457436No one in this thread is saying the game is fun except Germans.
We need Mike in this thread to shut down all these fecaloids seething about MENACE
>>2457437oh cool so you confirm the claim true that you don't even read the thread and just shitpost
>>2457441at least someone new is bumping the thread instead of the same old bumps like >>2457434
>>2457441You should probably just fuck off then
>>2457437>hooded horse under my bed>Germans hiding in the closetCalm down anon, it's just your imagination
>>2457210Yeah, it's good.It's not really easy, especially starting out. It's easier than BB though, partially because there's less reliance on RNG and partially because one setback isn't likely to ruin your entire campign.Roughly one-third of the content is in right now, not counting stuff like balancing and bugfixing.It's more campaign-focused than BB, though it's still not a story-heavy game. Mostly you just do random missions (or rather mission chains) but they're a lot more more stuctured than BB's "go some poorly defined distance in vaguely north-western direction and fight someone, then come back." Right now there's only one real story mission, but I'm assuming there will be more of those since the game does seem to want to tell a story.
>>2457383Neither, really. It's closer to oldxcom in that it uses something similar to time units instead of nuxcom's dogshit two-action system, but it also uses something similar to nuxcom's cover system.Outside of that, the entire scale and scope of the game are just very different than either of the xcom games. You're not controlling individual soldiers but entire squads at a time, and vehicles are bigger and more impactful.
>>2457556>>2457404Okay its going on the wishlist. We will wait for 1.0 so see you all in game in 3-5 years.
>>2457137She's probably a fomrer escort ridden with STDs hired to be the pretty face of a cabal of old ugly mobsters. And does the same song and game for anyone who dice wants to garner favor from.
OH FUCK YES THEY ARE ADDIEING ANOTHER INDIAN SL!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2456751I got it to occur with twin Swarm launchers. Sure is nice to play custom with max drop rates. Shot at two bug swarms that were out of range but inside the AOE splash radius, Overtime triggered and she continued to shoot at the targeted empty square, killing both bugs. Just the fact that it costs no ammo alone already makes this a fixed pick in any Roisin build but maybe it really is too good as-is.
>>2458438And it just happened with a VMAT on a blaster bug. Literally conjuring a magic missile out of thin air. To answer the original question, I'm sure it will work with a howitzer or any other AOE cannon if it can do this shit.
>played the game just after it launched and took a long break>decided to try Tech to see how he is after his trait got buffed>mfw giving him the tripod HMGHe's absolutely ridiculous, point him at anything that isn't a tank and it just disappears.
>>2458528Yeah giving him the big-ass .50 call is absolute peak. Love Tech
>>2458528Give him a jetpack on top of that and he's basically a space marine.Give him C4 and give him the perk that extends his granade throw range + perk that lowers accesory use by 10 AP and he'll be able to divebomb even heavy tanks.
>>2458449>waaaa only employees of the dev should be allowed to post here Your game sucks, deal with it. If anything, all your posts should be deleted for advertising. Buy an ad.
Max difficulty Army really doesnt fuck around
>>2457460>stays in the thread about a game he doesnt play just to bitch about it and have autistic fit at anyone who likes the game
>>2459081in terms of sheer lethality nothing beats RA[REDACTED] are quite easy to fight after you understand how they work (except toads, FUCK THE TOADS) but RA will always pull some bullshit out of their ass
>>2459273Yup.>laser marker team & ATGM combo specifically to delete your vehicles if you neglect recon>tanks, walkers moving in groups with one always hanging in the back to fuck up flankers>snipers pushing flanks and spotting>APCs rushing your weapon teams and unloading heavy infantryIf theyd spam smoke more, the defense missions would be nightmare
>>2459316Who would winOne (1) Achilleas in a tankvsAll the hardware
looks like the real MENACE was the shills we buttfucked along the way lol
>>2459273ever take the scout perk on anyone?
>>2459316You unironically just described how I play to a T.
>>2459316You learn to love the vehicle mounted radar, especially at 200% enemy supply.
>>2454358she SUCKS
>>2459582Congrats, you're an idiot
>hmm game has 400+ replies on /vst/ lemme pirate it and try it out >there’s literally fucking nothing except faggot characters squawking nonsense and jeets>the fuck is in the thread >it’s obviously the same two shills spamming Getting rid of IP count was a mistake. This fucking thread should be deleted for advertising. Buy a fucking ad.
>>2459804>Getting rid of IP count was a mistake.Agreed. That said, I enjoy the game, and I'm not remotely convinced you're not the same autist who constantly hangs around bumping the thread with his retarded whinging.
>>2459804>6 month old general>on a slow assed board>this is magically somehow anons first time seeing it>comes in here to say the same thing that's been said like 300 other times almost verbatimget a new script Rajesh, this one ain't working
>>2459813That was my first and this is my last post in this thread, but cope any which way you want. Shit game.
>>2459818>even this post is basically the same as all the others that have been madelollmao
>>2459665No. She is a shit starter. If you get her mid game, then can you do something with her
>>2459665Yup.
>>2460178>she's shit when she has the most time to grow and become good >if you find her when it's too late to max out her stats then she's usefulcongrats, you're getting dumber by the post
>>2460186>Bro she gets good after 10 operations, xxx promotions points invested, once you get the gear, and the mission is on turn 8+.I dont know, man, you are not very convincing. I prefer to have some reliable, when the only the only thing I have are peashooters, than the promise of Carda with 120 AP when the end of content screen shows up. By the end game, how much does Carda having -+10 in any stats matters vs having any pilot with double autocannons. Or the long term benefits of having good gear because you are acing your first operations.
>>2460186He really is.
>>2460213>why does a 200 point murdermachine who can delete three vehicles/squads of pretty much anything a turn with the heavy machine gun matter when I can bring a 600 point pilot who can delete two?A real head scratcher.
>>2460220nta but mobile infantry + doesn't care about ammo is good enough. The rest is just icing.
>>2460220Because you had to drag say murder machine for this many operations before she turns into a murder machine, and you also are probably going to bring a pilot to get her around anyways, unless it is one of those defend are missions.
>>2460235Only if you're an idiot. Which makes even less sense when you consider this idiot >>2460178 (you) says that she's more useful if you get her mid game, which is when she's now got less time to grow.
>>2460242No retard, the point is growing her stats is a waste of time. She never becomes a "murder machine." She doesn't have the damage or the action economy for it. If you think she does, you have low standards for a murder machine, and you need to get good. The only thing she's good for is a support/special weapons role to fill the gaps when you have an extra few supply points left. That situation only happens from the mid-game. That's why you don't hire her before that.
>>2460242Stop babbling.Carda is a shit starter. She cant hold on her own. All the other starters, I can think of a reason to bring. I dont think that that "will be good 10 operations in" is a good reason. If you get a Carda for hire after your 3rd operation, or whenever she shows up for hire, and you want to invest in her, that is fine, because you will actually have the gear, SLs, numbers on your side, and economy to cover up for her being a liability,And you can even give her a MG if you have one, and she will might even start pulling her weight.All my runs where I got her as starter have been ass, because she cant kill people. She gets squadies killed. And I miss on farming easy promotion points because all of the reasons mentioned, plus the fact she cant get on extraction point before turn 10 if she ever has stop to shoot at someone. And no, I wont give her Lim's seat on the troop carrier.Jesus Christ, you and your butt buddy are two uneducated fools. You cant even make an argument or communicate ideas in civilized manner.Or are you just here to troll and shit the thread by making an ass out of yourself?
>>2460242I think him being an idiot is established. Samefag tho? That raises some additional concerns.
>>2460254Stop talking retard, it's embarrassing>>2460269>ally my runs where I'm shit have been assmeaningless statement to be honest >>2460327Read both those posts. He's definitely samefagging
>>2460269>you can't argue>entire post is why about why you personally suck with her and a bunch of anecdotal nonsenseFigures
Lim as mobile infantry is a trap. He's the toughest of the MI capable SLs, and between run and gun, counter strike and blaze of glory, putting him in the vehicle is a waste at any point except for early game before you get Yaz or Wei who both need it more than he does so as to not get killed, and who lack as many ways to increase their AP efficiency otherwise.
>>2460356 he has to embrace run and gun and his super high average stat total and turn into a superstar scout by the time menace arrives. hes a superstar early game tho, Weiwu is just awful at most points of the game. Yaz has more viable playstyles than every other character in the game combined
>>2460356I don't use Mobile Infantry at all because putting your troops in an ATGM magnet was never a good idea. A heavy weapon on top of that vehicle will always do more than whatever AP you save carrying that squad around. After the OCI update infantry units can be stupid tough with the Muscle Factory installed, so having vehicles take all the heat is not always the optimal strategy anymore.
>>2460525My opinion is completely opposite, i think putting infantry into carriers is a good idea because it guarantees they have good cover and shields them from most of the AI bullshit. And ATGM teams are not an issue with a proper recon team on the field. Meanwhile heavy infantry is retardedly expensive to field in numbers that make it actually kill things and gets suppressed all the time.
I've been replaying the game on max diff for the first time since the EA dropped and I have mixed feelings. The game has been smoothed out a lot with the early difficulty curve especially feeling less impossible. I got 1st mission 1st op pirate outpost defense and DIDN'T instantly get swarmed and killed. But the enemy numbers are still very high, I just hope it curves back to the overwhelming amount of trash being thrown your way.AI is actually kinda fun now during day missions, they are still nasty and play for objective almost as agressively as if they were another player. People probably complain but I like it, it's realistic and there's no reason why pirates defending an outpost should and charge you instead of digging in. And the bullshit with AI always threading the needle between your ranges and avoiding your concealed units during the day seems less obvious and rarer even if you look for it.Night missions are completely and utterly fucked though. I just had one where 2 pirate chaingun trucks ran out of the defense area and STRAIGHT toward my 2 concealed squads which were moving off to the side to flank. Only for them to get pinned to shit by rocket arty the second move after they were "spotted". Boarding commandos jumping out of the fog right onto my APC to drop thermite on it. I had the LAST pirate squad in the mission sit in the fog of war behind a impassable building and ONLY pop out when my infantry squad ended it's turn into the open to shoot at it. Absolutely disgustingAnd armor is still insanely overpriced so you will never ever run good ones until super late game, so there is no point to run anything but spec-ops infantry with concealment. If you want anything armored you have to use vics which are comparatively super supply efficient and either extremely tough... or get disabled by a random grenadeStill to fight menace and test the funny upgrade mechanic, we'll see how that goes
>>2460589Recon team scouts for the vehiclesCannons are predictively targeted at potential problem spotsVehicles shoot the priority targets as they roll inHeavy infantry runs up to coverSuppression doesn't happen because discipline is highlol stubborn counterstrike lmaoEnemy is routed on next turnWhy yes I do play Custom nowadays with maxed everything for everyone (but this works the same on standard difficulties anyway)The thing is that enemies were actually more dangerous before the AI aggression change because now they run out in the open to their deaths. They could adapt to this routine better and force the heavy infantry to move more than shoot, but now enemies are almost guaranteed to smash their face into you.
>>2460596It's always the way. Instead of iterating on what they had and working to improve it, they listened to the endless kvetching by the shitters and retards and just implemented the quickest and easiest solution. So instead of having an intelligent enemy that tries to maneuver and avoid losing fights, it just rushes you aggressively and commits suicide by marine regardless of any other factors.
>>2460589Same. And it's rather fun to drive up or away and deploy a bunch of heavy weapons that can instantly fire.
>>2460589It works early game and to some very limited degree mid-game but eventually you start to feel the pain of not using heavy weapons on your vehicles. On Expert, RA basically drowns you in walkers making long tank barrel indispensable. Ivey with a twin M6 or a twin vulcan on the other hand does everything you'd want MI squad to do better.The further you get into the campaign the more vehicles replace your infantry as the main fighting force with normal squads being pidgeonholed into either scout and spotter teams maxing out concealment or heavy weapon squads that are much better off traveling via jetpacks. Anything more than 1 full sized kill squad with shotguns against menace and laser rifles against RA always felt excessive to me and never worth not fielding another vehicle that can serve a billion different utility roles or 2 more min-sized squads carrying M6s or ATGMs.
>>2461161nta but really don't agree with this. Only vehicle heavy weapon I found worth using is the long tank one and while good it's not better than having a pocket infantry squad. Then again I'm not using min-sized MI squads so they do a lot of damage even on their own.
>>2461189Ivey has passive 30% minimum chance to hit and 2 skills that lower heavy weapon AP cost by 15 and then by another 10. She also has cheaper movement after firing.So even at 90AP, she can spend 25 AP to fire at nothing, travel the distance it would take Bog all AP to travel and still have enough AP to fire twice for 15 AP with a twin M6, exterminating any infantry she fires on.Same applies to dual minigun with the added bonus that she can do drive-bys with the spray 6 tiles that also benefits from -25AP cost and 30% minimum hit chance.
>>2461197OK? Nothing about that makes her suck for combined arms plays.
>>2461197>>2461201 (me)Look at it this way. You're using linked heavy weapons on vehicles to deal with soft targets and min sized squads that carry anti hard for vehicles. I do it other way around, vehicles have anti armor while my large squads usually deal with soft targets. As the game progresses and my shopping list is complete I supplement that with walkers. I assume you're also using some dedicated scouts.You're sacrificing squad size for armor, I'm doing it other way around. Not saying one's better than other but I am saying both are perfectly viable and up to player preference.
>>2461206>both are perfectly viableActually not.Supply and action turns wise, minimal size squads better than anything other.*nta*
>>2461189lgbt is terrible now after agl nerf and only worth bringing vs lategame pirates or if you have achilleas vs RA
>>2461208Hey, try it this way and maybe you'll have more fun and be less of a sour cunt :)
>>2461208>you can only play my waynah get fucked retard. This game isn't that hard you need to minmax everything, and you aren't even doing that. You're just making a bullshit assertion that your is best cuz you're a fucking retard.
>>2461208lmgs and smgs is just one playstyle and it might be a really powerful playstyle for most of the cast but you get punished so hard for even the tiniest mistake that it shouldnt be seen as some sort of ultimate meta playstyle
>>2461225Pretty much.
>>2461208Ivey, with an APC and twin M6, and no other attachments costs just as much as a 7 man Darby squad with a silenced rifle and Jeager Fatigues. Achilleas with a medium walker and twin autocannons is the same price as an 8 man Lim squad with MTAP armour, the workshop assault rifle and RPG, with a maxed promotion tree. Vehicles aren't the only way to go friendo, and if you think my two infantry squads can't do the same damage as your two vehicles in the same amount of time you're simply a dipshit.
>all these fancy costly sls*laughs in cardasachinmaxing*
>>2461225>but you get punished so hard for even the tiniest mistake that it shouldnt be seen as some sort of ultimate meta playstyleSo literally skill issue.
>>2461234>no argumentFigures. Try making a coherent point dumb cunt
>>2461237>skill issue posting>in a game this easyNo retard, he's saying that the only way it works is if you meta game lol. Which isn't an issue of skill, it's just being an autistic faggot
>>2461228>with a maxed promotion treeBrother...
>>2461240>>2461241>hurr durrFuck off.
>>2461244>still has no argument and no point>can't stop posting though>>2461243If you have a point make it. Otherwise take your own advice and fuck off lol
>>2461237you will make mistakes. but will you reload your game?
>>2461251We all know the answer to that
>>2461251Ofc.There tactical game wit roguelike behaviours.I won't restart 50h run just bcs rng.
>finally unlock workshop>have a whole bunch of cool stuff>get to end of early accessI guess I gotta restart a new run.
>>2461263>you don't need to plan for mistakes or unforeseen circumstances >just play the way I do reload when things don't go perfectly to planWhat a faggot you are lol
>>2461247>If you have a point make it.The point is obvious. For vehicles you only need the vehicle and a gun, most of them commonly available, and they are instantly good. For infantry you need to grind for 5 different types of equipment and grind for promotions just to get nearly as good as vehicles.
>>2461280>Achilleas with just weapons and no skills or accessories is as good as a maxed out infantry squad with the literal best weapon in the game and full accessories and end game armourNo he isn't>but they just need the weapon and no promotions or any other shitYou fucking clown. Sure. Take Ivey with her base stats and without full send or another promotions and no extra ammo on the lowest tier vehicle can carry an M6 and tell me she's gonna get good value. You disingenuous jeet, stop lying/being stupid on purpose and make a fucking coherent point or just fuck off. Holy shit.
>>2461206Fair enough I suppose. But from trying it both ways, I've repeatedly found that overrelying on infantry just bogs you down because you are either slowly crawling forward scouting out every encounter ahead of time or you go in blindly and inevitably leave one squad to get chewed out by any form of enemy fire.Vehicles have that problem too with ATGMs and Skirmishers, but that's a much more limited range of threats in comparison to anything with more firepower than a kpac.Though as of the OCI rework, my strategy shifted more toward just pinging everything with a radar and dropping massive barrage on any grouped up enemies and at 200% enemy supply you find those everywhere
>>2461280infantry across the board have better access to high accuracy firepower. they only thing they lack is mobility, the weakness to suppression from indirects isnt always a thing
>>2461288feels good that ion cannons went from shit to fucking awesome.
>>2461282>Take Ivey with her base stats and without full send or another promotions and no extra ammo on the lowest tier vehicle can carry an M6 and tell me she's gonna get good valuenta but I will. Her particular shtick is that you are always getting some hits in on rapidfire weapons. M6 will hit 3 times out of 10 on the average even at its worst which means it will kill 3 infantry and guarantee a suppression or wipe out a squad of officers/snipers/special weapon carriers. I'd autopick her at the start over Bog everytime if I could.
>The future of these threads are endless arguments over military doctrine of mostly infantry supported by mechanized forces vs mostly mechanized forces supported by infantry
>>2461293>get to fire twice a turn, and only if you don't move>only have like 8 shots>dies to first atgm or skirmisher that sees her>this would be as much value as anon could get out of one of the best statted infantry SLs using the best armour, the best squad weapon, one or the best special weapons, full accessories and a maxed out promotion treeI can't tell if you're just very stupid, or very dishonest.
>>2461279> >>2461244
>>2461296Anon he said the M6
>>2461297Please see >>2461247
>>2461299And base Ivey has 85 AP and the M6 without extra ammo has 10 shots. So she's firing twice for 5 turns and then useless the rest of the match.I did his original point a favour by comparing a maxed out Lim to at least an Achilleas with twin autocannons. He's the one who said that any SL with just a weapon and nothing else has comparable value to that same Lim, which is stupid as fuck
>>2461296>>this would be as much value as anon could get out of one of the best statted infantry SLs using the best armour, the best squad weapon, one or the best special weapons, full accessories and a maxed out promotion tree>I can't tell if you're just very stupid, or very dishonest.That's funny, both of these describe you perfectly.
>>2461303Sorry that's 90AP, but irrelevant since it's still only two shots and no movement without any perks
>>2461304>no uonce again, refer yourself to >>2461247
>>2461306You first, bitchboy. Show off your math on how you arrived at this retarded conclusion>implying you can count past 10
>>2461307I'm not the dumbfuck who said >>2461280.
>>2461307>literally cannot readTry keeping up Rajesh
>>2461310>he replied to me twicelmao
>hes replied to me like 6 timeslmao
is there a substitute for these guys when you want a flanker that can cleanly wipe out drone squads so they no longer give vision?
>>2461337Yes, duh. Unpromotef Ivey with an M6, or a 2 man Tek squad with an ATGM. Anything else is inefficient
>>2461337I mean, both of them probably lower tier?
>>2461357sachin is cheaper for sure but vamplew is actually cheaper than carda if hes in level 4 armor or better with his flamboyant perk. there arent actually that many better SLs out there for running cheap rifle squads.
Fact: If it's more expensive than the jetpack suit, it's not worth wearing.
>>2461357rate my tier list
>>2461364Jean?
>>2461369Insane/10, but probably just a playstyle difference.
>>2461485what would your tier list look like?
Pike's Taking Command is too expensive. He himself is a decent shot so having to spend 60 AP to give another unit 40 so that they can shoot once more or just walk a few steps isn't providing all that much value. It's one of the few skills that shuffles value around (at a 20 AP tax) rather than adds value. If someone like Jean had this ability it would be a net positive because she can't shoot and obviously someone else being able to shoot in her place is better.This ability should be 20 AP. If he stands perfectly still then he can shoot twice and make someone else shoot thrice. Or move forwards under cover and immediately give a nearby unit a boost instead of simply deploying or ending his turn.His other defining talents are Rally, Inspiring Presence and Firing Line + This is My Rifle. When you're playing well Rally can be a dead talent, and when you're playing badly against many enemies Rallying someone can just result in that unit being suppressed again the next second. It has uses but extremely situational. Inspiring other units with +15% acc and disc would be much easier if he could run up to them and cheaply give them +40 AP, meaning he isn't wasting his time not simply shooting enemies by himself. Finally his full rifle build spec semi-locks him into an anti-infantry role that can take down light vehicles with AP ammo. Would you rather give someone else one extra shot, or have Pike himself dumpster three idiots with Hammers / EM ARCs? The cost-benefit ratio is skewed way too much at 60 AP.
>>2461607You're mistake is seeing Pike as one character who has all the skills, rather than as either Support Pike or Rifle Squad Pike. You choose one of those builds, you don't build Rifle Pike and then add support skills. It's trivially easy to increase Take Command's relative value by making Support Pike's squad dirt-cheap. If, for example, you only have two squaddies with carbines or pipeguns, you not only make Take Command more valuable in comparison to taking a shot, you're also saving supply points which you can use to make the target squad even better.Menace isn't just about maximizing value per action point, but also about maximizing value per supply point. And while Take Command is a questionable choice in the former case, in the latter case Support Pike can do some heavy lifting by being a cheap squad which directly increases the efficacy of expensive squads, effectively acting as a multiplier to their value per supply point.On the flipside, trying to make a character support a squad that's less valuable than their own squad is just retarded, because then you're paying a price in both value per action point and value per supply point.
>>2461673For me Pike is "weapons squad" guy. He sits with the heaviest MG or other weapon I can give him, at the most central point of the squad to either suppress, kill vehicles, and give AP boosts. I can't see him any other way.
>>2461674Well yeah that's exactly why Take Command is bad value for you. Doesn't mean it can't be good on a different build though.
>>2461676It has it's moments especially in the early game when I have better SLs for the "killing" itself. I wouldn't call it a rare situation where I'd rather have an extra shot from someone like Tech than another MMG barrage.But then I'm not a great player and don't think too deep on the strategy itself or play on the harder modes so my opinions are less valid on what's optimal.
>>2461369I want to see what your gameplay looks like
>>2461676I am a different person. Take Command is occasional value on my riffleman Pike who may sometimes contribute more to the battle asking some other guy to shoot thrice instead of just shooting by himself, but as the campaign goes on this ALWAYS becomes a rarer occurrence as the quality of squad weapons (and total supply points) goes up.And there's no Pike build without Taking Command because it is his literal first skill that defines him. If Taking Command isn't desired then another character with a better innate would be preferable. Making this skill cost 20 AP would not harm anyone else and would not harm any build for Pike, it just makes it more universally useful instead of a situationally dead skill.
>>2461700I could see this argument working for making it a 40AP skill, but at 20AP it just becomes an straight-up AP printer. It removes all choice whether to use it or not, because it'll push you to unconditionally use it every single turn.
>>2461701Well yes you try to use it as often as possible, that goes for all skills. It is what the player loses for using a skill every turn that counters the utility it gives. At his base AP he needs to stand still to do it which can negatively impact mobile missions if you don't give it up sometimes (but conversely be always useful for static defensive missions). There's the possibility of putting a cooldown timer so its only every other turn. Some skills already soft function like this such as Achilleas' walker dash and the off balance debuff. The range could be tweaked since its currently built with the relatively prohibitive 60 AP cost in mind. If we try to split the difference on AP costs, say to 30 AP instead of 20 or 40, then that just means Pike just unlocks his full potential later on rather than earlier.There are again yet more soft considerations such as the enemy AI behavior. Taking all of the above into consideration, a hypothetical Pike with reduced AP cost for T-C but also reduced range and a turn cooldown might mean he has to run around like a headless chicken to both cover his assigned flank and use T-C on some other squad just out of range. That naturally adds a soft AP tax to reign in its power, and so the question of what's a good AP cost for it has to consider this. I do simply argue that 60 AP is way too much right now though.
>>2461704>At his base AP he needs to stand still to do it which can negatively impact mobile missions if you don't give it up sometimesThat's the point. There's a tradeoff for using it. That goes for all active skills, just like you trade off being able to shoot if you want to move further. Making it so it gives you 20 free AP per turn, no matter what, with no conditionals, would be broken as fuck. No other skill in the game gives AP for free without any conditions.
It's amazing how nearly every comment is someone just complaining they don't get whatever they want for free. The ideas of trade offs, or opportunity costs, or having to exchange A to get B is anathema to them. It's just>why isn't this talent broken so I can use it literally every chance I get?>why doesn't the enemy just walk into my guns and die for free?>why can't I bring every piece of equipment and every SL to every mission>why do I have to chose between this or thatetc etc. Fucking children I swear.
>>2461724>why isn't this talent broken so I can use it literally every chance I get?laughs in Darby>why doesn't the enemy just walk into my guns and die for free?laughs in patch... err, #6?>why do I have to chose between this or thatThe child follows what they have been told is right. Sometimes some items and abilities are "aight I'm just going to CHOOSE to never use this".
>>2461736You type like a faggot and don't even know what your point is
>>2461724That's been all the feedback they've been getting. Why do you think they removed promotion costs? Not balanced them, not tweaked them, just outright broke the balance of the game by removing the only balancing factor to just taking every skill you can afford. Because these casual violently hated the idea of upgrades having a long-term cost associated with them, so they whined until the devs removed the entire system.
>>2461771I shudder to think what would happen if they were making battle brothers how, with this same fanbase and mentality>why does fatigue exist>its not fair that brigands have ranged weapons and won't just rush into melee>why can orc warriors move me but I can't move them>goblin shamans can root me? That's cheating>why can I only bring 12 guys to a battle and not 200? It would be an entirely different game
>>2461776different target audience, only morons play menace
>>2461833Judging by this thread that's mostly true
>>2461833>>2461837you might as well have been bent over and assraped given how you've been asshurt about this game to the point of orbiting these threads for months nowand just to keep being the pathetic asshurt loser you are, you keep samefagging and since youre such an autistic dumbfuck you cant even understand how we can tell
>>2459353The greek autist wins automatically assuming he's maxed out perks.>slapped by ATGM>gains enough AP to delete everything in view
>>2462109Since when did the pirate faction get tanks?
>>2462104not really
btw i posted in this general a month ago and got a similar reply from you, is this "spammer" in the room with us right now?
>>2462104>everyone is the same person You really enjoy being wrong don't you?
>>2461771Bad example because promotion tax was genuinely a garbage mechanic. There was no reason to fully promote anyone ever and therefore no progression other than looting. That's bad design.It's the other balance changes that are baffling. Why make battles trivial by making supplies cheaper overall? Why add an authority tax that punishes experimentimg? Why persist in having OCIs stackable when everyone, even casuals, keeps telling them it's awful? Until AI logistics is stackable there is no reason to talk about any sort of balance at all.
>>2462629>There was no reason to fully promote anyone ever and therefore no progression other than looting.I guess we found one of the scrublords who cried until they removed the promotion tax instead of learning how to actually use it. You're not only stupid, you're also flat out wrong.Promotion tax meant that there's a tradeoff to consider, i.e. the tacical value of a promotion vs the strategic value of its supply tax. It forced you to think about which promotions are worth it, and also made not promoting someone a viable option. It's just too bad "people" like you outright refuse to ever think about the choices they make in games, so you simply demand to remove the cost of making a choice. Without a promotion tax, fully promoting someone is the only viable option in the long term and there's nothing else to consider on that front, because choosing not to promote someone simply means you're deliberately handicapping yourself.The underlying issue is that you refuse to think as a promotion as anything else than an RPG level-up, so you demanded (successfully, because the devs are retarded) that it be treated as such instead of correcting your faulty logic.
>>2462730>It forced you to think about which promotions are worth itWhy is this a good thing? What value does this add to the game?
>>2462730You can write a paragraph of histrionics but you can't explain what was actually fun in keeping your squad leaders permanently half leveled. Keep crying about it lmao.
>>2462765>>2462784>retards surface to ask why trade offs and decision making should be part of a strategy gameholy fuck. You know what else ruins my power fantasy and brainless face rolling? Missing the enemy. Oh and action points. Also having any limitations whatsoever on what I can bring to a match. And why do I only have so many accessory slots? And range. Why do my rifles all have different ranges? And why do tanks not have further view range than the infantry like they would in real life? How come I have a fog of war when my ship should just let me see the whole battlefield? Come to think of it why don't I just bomb my enemies from orbit? Why have a game at all? Fucking dumbcunts I swear
>>2462798Once again, you're genuinely extremely unintelligent. Just go back to samefagging, it's less embarrassing.
>>2462798>why trade offs and decision making should be part of a strategy gameThis is known as what squad leaders you bring and equipment you give them. Not deciding whether they should remain gimped or not for the remainder of the operation. There is nothing substantial gained nor thought required with this dilemma presented to the player. Incidentally the same thing can be said of ammo pouches for higher player-vs-enemy supply difference game, it just becomes an inventory slot tax until "enough" supply points are achieved to deploy a lot of squads.
>>2462807>>2462809Good job proving the original guy's point, you infants. Next time, Stick with Fortnite.
>>2462807>same tired post yet again You can stop embarrassing yourself any time>>2462809There's even less of a dilemma now. It's not>should I upgrade a perk or bring a weapon or somethingIt's just>upgrade every time you canThe game has become more simple to benefit those of you who bitched endlessly. And sure, I'll agree that it wasn't the best balanced or most fun system as it had existed, but it could have been iterated on or made into something more engaging. Instead it was just done away with entirely, which is what the entire original point was. Not that every system was perfect, but that instead of fixing systems they just do away with them as soon as they reach a critical mass of whiny cunts.
The game is inherently built around increasing the power level *efficiency* of the player alongside having more supply points over time. That is why OCIs exist. Those don't cost any points whatsoever yet you have free access to their benefits once you pay their buy-in cost. The change of SL promotions to being costless is merely aligning that subsystem more towards this core design, away from being supply cost items which are now the realm of equipment only. This is a game in development with a cliffhanger cutoff point that is only a third of the way in, that is, we're still only playing the early game even if it seems like the Impetus is fully equipped by the end of it. Properly balancing the exact difficulty curve and all relevant elements is a concern for which the deadline is way off in the far future.
Which is why it's funny that you guys are constantly bitching about every little thing and acting as if the game is out to get you. Especially when, if the game is 1/3rd done, it's very likely you would have still maxed our everyone's promotions by the end of it regardless. Now you're doing it in the early game and have nothing to work towards as far as promotions go.
>Items>FIXED Twinlinked 'Griffin Dynamics Rotary Barrel Machinegun' was firing 60 repetitions instead of the intended 30 repetitionsGod dammit I thought the thing was stronger than normal but in a good place recently. Now its going to be half as good again.
>scavenger works with drones nowHuge power boost to Jean, she didn't even need it.
Someone finally made Girls Frontline mod. mostly stuff from GFL2https://www.nexusmods.com/menace/mods/183
>>2463820finally, trans-friendly sl's that i can relate to...
>>2463820Oh hey an attempt at melee weapons. I wonder how it functions, though it looks like its probably just a very short range gun.
This game is on my radar. Is it playable yet?
>>2464226i have 1000+ hours. unfinished menace has a lot going for it imho
>>2464226It's trash. Wait for 1.0I'm trans if that matters
>>2464246i can see the female anime character in your discord avatar while reading this post
>>2464252>rent freeShould probably get off discord then
>>2464254it just happens so many times that it becomes hard to not notice it. also never happens in servers where the userbase is a bit older and less autistic. the younger and the more autistic the games audience happens to be the more of these people i tend to encounter in the wild
>>2464265Ynbaw faggot. Nobody asked you to bring your discord fetish shit here, now kindly fuck off back there.
>>2464226It's playable. It's also years from being finished and once you hit the current end content 15-20 hours in, you'll be stuck waiting months at a time for mostly nothing updates like we are.I found my time spent to have been fun, but I'd still tell anyone interested in this game to give it atleast a year more in the oven.
Now that I've gotten used to playing with the "intended" Griffin miniguns again thanks to the recent patch, I have to wonder why they think this is okay. Seriously, 15 rounds for 40 AP out of a rotary gun? The M6 fires 10 shots per use. What kind of sick joke is this? Any vehicle or tripod using an M6 just sits there slowly chugging away for about 3 to 4 times the amount of real time compared to the miniguns, and will generally deal with more types of targets better especially armor. The "mistake" in the previous patch made the things (just the twin linked setup) both practical and also FELT correct with parity in how long they fired for.Tarded Horse please.
>>2463820>GFL2No loli SLs YAWWWWWWWWWWN
>>2464406Yeah I'm actually astonished to find out that wasn't the intended gameplay for them. They felt balanced. Even at twice the shots, they still did less comparable damage than an M6 at a shorter range, compensated by the fact it could cover multiple tiles. Now it's just an inferior weapon, and costs more to boot
>>2464420Don't forget there's also the wide strafe attack that covers 4 tiles with a pretty lengthy shoot time. That also costs 1 ammo. We can sort of excuse this abstraction as semi-auto fire on some infantry weapons also have this magic ammo consumption that is equal to firing it in bursts, but it is just the most exaggerated with the miniguns.
Laser rifle is bad and you should feel bad for using it and be punished for telling others to use it. 8x2 damage @ 8 tiles is an insult to the corps, it doesn't even have the decency to offer something like +30 accuracy for your troubles.
>>2464868It has a stupid amount of penetration. Give it to Sachin and watch as he deletes heavy infantry and vehicles, and suppresses anything he doesn't kill.
>>2464909Or I can give anyone any assortment of ballistic rifles of tier 3 and above with AP ammo, and they will always accomplish more without ever having to deal with the heat. It also won't work as well as suppressed rifles for concealed Darby dealing with all the heavies by herself. For some reason I have this berenstein moment with the laser rifle and remember it having 7 range instead of 8, but checking the wiki and the changelog apparently says otherwise so at least it doesn't suck on that.
>>2464938> a tier 3 rifle with an ammo accessory is stronger than a tier 2 one without Whoa
salvage teams is banger vs pirates since the transport vehicles count too
>>2464868It's guaranteed to deal HP damage from the get go to all infantry, almost immediately chews through light vehicles and mechs and can disable medium mechs in a lucky burst.You use it vs RA in the same way you use shotguns vs Menace. And naturally, you don't give it to everyone, you just give it to the designated heavy infantry killer. Yaz makes great use of it because killing with his bonus to morale damage pretty much instantly morale breaks RA. Jean is also great with it because she can just run around and farm all the expensive shit with ease. Laser rifles sell for 150, heavy infantry RPGs sell for 120. She can grab several of these a mission.
>>2464938there are plenty of cases where the laser rifle is better than an MRS with any ammo accessory but there are cases where even the arc is better than them because they have less base armor damage
I'm just going to MOD the laser rifles to shoot 3 times and give +20 accuracy (and fire faster so the animation doesn't last forever). I vill make myself happy.
>>2456554>>2456564i just don't want the ones with the cool names to die
>>2458146please just be shitpostingi saw Rewa in the demo and she's fucking obnoxious
>>2464973these interdiction missions are just re-enactments of the Highway of Death from the Gulf War
>>2465446>plz be shit postingare you dumb?
That's a big ass gun nigga, and he's accurate with it too.
>>2463820Based.
>>2465713dont need to be very accurate for it to be effective with the amount of suppression it does. its better than the hmg if you are gonna go into stuff like long bomb instead of pointfire + new tricks for accuracy maxing. you kinda want to accuracy max anyways for the nades tho
>>2465713>"game is woke af btw trust">literally has a bonafide action film nigger that LITERALLY goes muuuh dick in some voicelines and he is a fucking amazing SL too
falcon skybots should get to call out targets or mark them for atgms the same way predator drones can paint a target in real life
>>2466353Really all they need is a few points of concealment. If you are going to spend all your AP on something that's immediately going to die as soon as you pass the turn, you might as well pick the drone that will take out or cripple a vehicle.
>>2466621Concealment and a really high defense bonus. If you have whole squads of people shooting at it then it will likely take a hit and go down of course, but then that means its performing an important function beyond scouting.
>>2466353you can do this if you have a laser designator and quick hands pretty easiliy
