>Heard that a new patch recently came out>Decide to dive back in to try it out>Starting building up buildings and RGOs based on their potential tax income to starting bolstering my funds>None of these fucking buildings seem to have increased my income one fucking red cent, the only thing that seems to increase my income is building roads and bridgesI guess I have to learn this whole fucking game all over again. What did they change to economy?
JOHAN'D
>>2449255>increasing your control over provinces allows you to tax more of the wealth of those provinces>randomly building shit and upgrading RGOs where you dont have control just increases the wealth that your estates make and you cant efficiently tax, meaning your costs of court increase without commensurate increase in tax revenue
Haven't played since launch week and my conclusion was that it wasn't a game, or even a simulator. It was just a fucking program. An executable.
>>2449255>He trusted Johan "the first 100 years of EUV are filler" Andersson
>>2450614>richer people need to be taxed more else the kingdom will cost more
>>2453283if companies don't get their shit together, there will come a day when a single autist with an excel spreadsheet and a AI subscription will step over them. This is 10x more likely for graphically static shit like this.
>>2449255What I learned from EU5 is that you can give players literally everything they ever fucking wanted and they will still complain. For a decade I listened to uncs on /gsg/ seethe about how EU4 was too much of a casual mana map painter and that paradox needed to make the game harder and more like Vicky to bring back the Trve fans. Then they did that and its still nothing but endless seething.
>>2453905Personally I stopped giving a shit about what Paradox does since they went full Babylonian DLC whore more than a decade ago. I occasionally pirate their games, shitpost on /vst/, and move on
>>2453905EU5 is easier not harderIt's more like Crusader Kings than Victoria because of the characters
>>2453911>since they went full Babylonian DLC whore more than a decade agoThe worst part about the DLC train isn’t just the money, it’s that the DLC themselves bloat up and ruin the game on a long enough timeframe. The only good game they’ve made in the last ten years is Imperator, and they abandoned it (perhaps a blessing in disguise)
>>2453905I didn't want the game to run like shit.I didn't want the shittiest IU of all time.I didn't want 150+ years of game with no content.I didn't want to manage every shitty village on my kingdom.I didn't want characters with 3D portraits who look like shit and make no sense in an EU game.I didn't want the situation mechanic, I even want it less now because it doesn't work.I didn't want the Paradox DLC scam system.I could go on an on.Fuck you.
>>2453905don't steal the mechanics from meow and texas but dumb everything down, make shit not work, make all countries play identically, etcSit down, at the beginning, and plan out how your systems are supposed to work/interact with each otherMost importantly, make a SMALL ASSYMETRIC MAP FOR PRACTICAL 1-2 HOUR MULTIPLAYER SESSIONS
>>2453988truetruekinda truei want to do that trueit's better than mission trees or focus trees, but i could do without ittrue
>>2453905they listened the spergs on /gsg/ and the paradox forums that wanted meiou and taxes because they feel superior for playing an incredibly convoluted mod that they themselves only barely understand. Everyone that enjoyed playing EU games, especially mpfags just wanted the eu4 trade system that can flow in both directions, maybe an extra building or two, and some less mana abstraction without turning the game into an autistic economic calculation problem that needs to be studied at the end of every month tick.
>>2453387LOL>>2453905They released a fine game on release (unfinished tho, paradox shit) and they went consistently downhill every single patch changing shit that nobody asked, it was infuriating so I have no idea what could you possibly be talking about.
>>2453988>I didn't want to manage every shitty village on my kingdom.I do, probably won't do it but still want it.
>>2454071MPfags are less than 10% of the total playerbase. DO NOT EVER LISTEN TO THEM! They will destroy the game.
>>2454062>>2454075It's ok when you are a small to medium polity, or if you really really like a country. But it becomes retarded once you start to build an empire.
>>2454126Less than 1% of the players. Multiplayers should be ignored unless they're reporting a bug.
>>2454126>dont listen to mpfags in a game about geopolitics >listen to the meiou fags who made vicky in eu4 because they were frustrated that there hadn't been a new vicky for over 10 years
>>2453905sim chuds are just like that. They don't know what they really want, because their fantasy, what they wish for, is so diffuse, shapeless and clouded. What the most people want is a good game first. So for all the EU 1-4 chads, EU5 is a severe, but expected, disappointement.
>>2454321mp fags complain about balance in a real world map painter. There were several patches for EU4, where mp autism made sp more unfun.>>2454071kinda this. EU5 should have been an evolution, iteration not a complete overhaul.
>>2453905>that paradox needed to make the game harder and more like Vicky to bring back the Trve fansWasn't vicky2 infamously easy as soon as you learned the basics? Build liquor factories, set education slider to max steal gold from ooga booga kingdoms, if you're an ooga booga kingdom conquer land to westernise and get free tech, defend from mountains.
stopped playing when they started removing features instead of fixing them (3 weeks after launch)Eu4 is a better game and probably always will be unfortunately
Anyone who says eu5 is harder than eu4 is obviously baiting. The choices it give you are just as trival and obvious, there's just more of them.
>>2454533mpfags also prevent single player autists from filling the game with so much bloat that it needs to be paused and studied every 20 seconds
>>2453988>I didn't want the game to run like shit.wallet issue>I didn't want the shittiest IU of all time.no worse than in other pdx games, you just need to get into it>I didn't want 150+ years of game with no content.true, they need to bring back missions>I didn't want to manage every shitty village on my kingdom.fuck you I wanna manage them all + you can literally automate them with an achievement compatible mod>I didn't want characters with 3D portraits who look like shit and make no sense in an EU game.meme complaint>I didn't want the situation mechanic, I even want it less now because it doesn't work.>>"wah I hate having no flavor, but actually flavor sucks even more than no flavor11!!1" What the fuck is wrong with you?>I didn't want the Paradox DLC scam system.Literally more content than eu4 with all dlc in the base game. Easily enough shit to do for 1k hours of gameplay
>>2449255The game has one big issue and some smaller issues. The big issue is, that expanding isn't fun and the gameplay loop sucks cock. It makes no sense that a huge empire is capped by how many chuds they have in their cabinet and can't core stuff any quicker than small countries. Coring should be done with a slider and costs (cash + manpower) should be directly connected to how much stuff you are integrating at once. Big, rich empires like the Turks should be able to core Egypt in like 10-20 years. Also, war score cost is too high. The only real limiter on how much you can take should be some overextension penalty and coring costs. If you can actually occupy France fully in one war, as well as being able to cope with massive overextension, coring and antagonism, you should be able to annex France in one war. Huge conquest is satisfying and a fun end game goal. Instead, you fight a world war for half of Lombardy, which is fucking stupid and not fun at all.Smaller issues include a lack of flavor and individuality for countries, autistic, pseudo deep fake economy on the level of artisans making tanks out of fruit, where you have to be an islamic merchant republic to make any money with trade at all and buildings are useless except if you stack production efficiency to the point where you can produce a fuckload of goods nobody even consumes for a profit.Those wouldn't really be an issue if conquest was fun and if you could LARP properly, but you can't really therefore eu5 is currently shit if you don't have autism. My friends who play eu4 say eu5 lacks the spark that eu4 has, and I think that spark is a fun, arcadey gameplay loop like eu4 has
>>2454833>If you can actually occupy France fully in one war, as well as being able to cope with massive overextension, coring and antagonism, you should be able to annex France in one war.Not even ww2 germany managed that but you're expecting 14th centyry monarchies to do it
>>2453905The game is nothing like Victoria 2. The way markets, buildings, estate and government funding interact with each other is disjointed and almost arbitrary. It feels like Johan just copy pasted the code from Eu4 into Imperator Rome and scaled the pops up.
>>2455030No I don't, but I'm saying war score cost shouldn't be the limiter. I'm saying you should collapse from revolts, colaitions and going bankrupt from coring costs.>>If you can actually occupy France fully in one war, as well as being able to cope with massive overextension, coring and antagonism
>>2453905Why do so many talk about eu5 like johan did it on his spare time out of the goodness of his heart, for so much he loved paradox kind, instead of being a lead developer making a product competing both with products of other companies and older products of his own.
>>2453905I think the game would be a lot better if the start date was still 1444. Not enough happens in the 100 or so years prior to that and all the major events that did happen which setup all the fun from the 1444 start never follows that plan, so all the setup that makes the 1444-1821 timeline enjoyable never happens. So the game just goes nowhere forever. All it seems to do is make France or England a massive blob.
>>2455732True. 1337 start date shifts colonization firmly into mid-late game and adds the need for ck3 style levies (I fucking HATE levies). Also removes things that are necissary for the early modern paradigm to come about, like the Timurid Empire, Burgundy and its eventual inheritance, the rise of the Ottomans and the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth
>>2455793I think the people at tinto decided that the change from using levies to standing armies was a fundamental part of europe and never had second thoughts about how to actually implement it.
>>2455732>Not enough happens in the 100 or so years prior to that and all the major eventsNo it does. 100 years war, plague that wipes out a large part of Europe, rise of Ming, rise of Ottomans, disintegration of Golden horde. I'd make a case more happens in the century before 1444 than does in the one after it. EU5 is just terrible at simulating those things.
>>2455819100 years war was not relevant and the black death is a meme because it affects everyone around you aswell so it doesnt even matterottomans were still "rising" in 1444 and golden horde not done either
>>2455819>EU5 is just terrible at simulating those things.Thats my point, the years between 1337 and 1444 had some major moments but it never plays out that way so the 1444 start is all scrambled and messed up, so the things that people like generally dont come close to happening. I haven't played for 2000 hours or anything, but in the ~200 i got i never once saw the Ottomans take out the Mamluks, or Russia ever really become anything like the AI reliably could in 4, I think i once saw the PLC form at a strong state. I never paid attention to it myself but have anons ever seen Ming form on time? The tldr is the 107 years between the two start dates had too many things that needed to happen in a specific order to create the fun sandbox during 4's timeline.
>>2454824>I didn't want the game to run like shit.>wallet issueIf my rig can run RDR2 at 4k/60fps I see no reason why it should not run a fucking spreadsheet with fancy windowdressing.So fuck you again.
>>2454793Pausing the game is good. Gives you time to focus on the immersion.
>>2456300Johan already built that into the game by making it crash frequently.
Does anyone here also hate the cabinet mechanics? It's literally mana and doesn't make sense at all. Why shouldn't I be able to have a 20 people cabinet as some HRE chud in 1337? Why is there a magical barrier that prevents me from hiring more dudes to work for me? And why exactly does my entire administration and everything it does depend on these motherfuckers? Why do I need to tell Dr. Wilhelm Bratwurst von Cuntenstein to integrate Frankfurt for me? Wouldn't that be done by a nameless mass of bureaucrats, bailiffs and clergymen that would only really be capped by how much money you can spare and how well your governing institutions are equipped?TL:DR cabinet = mana and it's not even fun or makes sense
>>2457019Easier to make an effective attention feedback loop if you make the consequences of decisions instant like with wizards..
ill never understand why autists want this level of depth to a point where you need a shitty ai to automate large portions of the game. Ruins the whole part of the experience where you find efficient builds and learn what to make. You're just sitting there watching an AI crunch numbers that have no meaning whats the point
>>2457492somehow there are so many players who want EU to be something it never was. I blame all the new players coming in during EU4's lifespan, thinking grand strategy is some uber genre encompassing all and every detail of guiding a nation, while most of the games are whacky map painters.When you go too far into simulation territory, it becomes less of a game. And simulating is better done by computers, so pdx made a game that is in parts better played by itself than by its players.
>>2457019I think they would be more fun if coring wasn't tied to it. They give you all these options to do with them but then make you lock the members down for years just to core a county.
>>2457492The stellar success of KCD1 and a few similar games psyoped a lot of people into thinking they wanted a realistic history game and not, you know, novel mechanics and a simple linear story for once.
>>2453905Honestly? We didn't know how good we had it
The problem isn't that EU5 is a bad game or anything. It's just a bad EU game. They should have just called it Meiou & Taxes 2 and released it as a spin-off, cause that's what it is. I like it, but for different reasons than EU4.
>>2459604EU4 is the odd one out, EU5 is much closer to EU3.
>>2456245Seethe, poor.
>>2463338Shh, don't spoil it for him.
>>2453905EU5 has a complicated simulationist economy like Vicky but it fails to replicate what makes Vicky 2 (with HPM of course) so comfy>short time period packed with interesting historical events>simulation which can capture the sense of rapid progess and interaction between technology, economy and politics and military development>aesthetic and easily usable (once you are used to it) UI>different game mechanics and priorities for Europe vs Americas vs Uncivs>enough railroading to make historically plausible outcomes>great power system that leads to interesting wars and challenges for the playerEU5 fails at every single point
>>2464203EUV is trying really hard to be Victoria most of the time. The problem is that it starts in the FUCKING MEDIEVAL AGES.
Man EU5 feels so god damn sterile and i really despise the constant bipolar ass balancing.A byzantine bureaucracy load of unreleated modifiers per dice roll and all they can think of is "x now stackwipes, x is now worthless."Wars, piracy, diplomacy, trade, economy, statecraft - it all feels so arbitrary/unimpactful.Was the inspiration for this to patch out as much gameplay as possible from EU4 and Imperator and replace it all with sliders and backend calculations ? A million mechanics and nothing feels impactful.
>>2453905Vic2 is funEU5 isn't
>>2463338EU3 is a farcry from a simulation. Instead of mana you had regenerating agentd, which mechanically is mana with a different name. Also sliderkino. EU3 was more sandboxy than any other EU, but that doesn't make it a sim.>>2463746you didn't play EU3
>>2453905EU4 + reworked dev system + population mechanic tied to manpower + more sensible military access and attrition meaning you can't go 50 provinces deep without holding the ones behind you.That was literally all that was needed, instead we got cookie clicker where it's just perma number goes up and there's no difference between the countries because you don't have simple easy to understand national ideas. It reminds me a lot of when people didn't like the MoP-SL talent trees in wow and so they wanted to go back to proper talent trees, only to end up doing the exact same thing; copy from wowhead or favourite streamer and just use a cookie cutter build. That's mana in the EU games, people say they don't want it and they want it different only for them to be faced with a system they are going to optimize anyway and it's essentially the same thing just devolved a little bit.
>>2465252It's impressive how they just can't seem to make a good game out ouf their ambition™ to produce a simulation. It's not the first time this approach failed miserably. They need to get real and accept that Vic 2 was an outlier, despite its further need for polish.
>>2453905As one of those "uncs" seething on /gsg/ I am actually quite happy with EU5. There's just a laundry list of minor problems that make the game really annoying to play at times, but honestly they're moving in the right direction. What it does desperately need for an EU game is:>proper colonization/exploration mechanics that feel satisfying and rewardingCaribbean sugar islands were obscene profitable for countries that managed to hold onto them. Spain got ridiculously wealthy from American gold and silver (before they bricked their own economy with inflation from it). The Dutch and Portuguese made huge profits from accessing the trade in India and China. But none of these are really effective ways to play the game. Sure you can turn some profit but the manufacturing side of things scales so fast that it ends up being a rounding error. >1444/1453/1492 start dateIt's too hard to railroad AI countries into their historical expansion paths without this so you rarely see any of the classic early modern powers that don't exist in 1337. Also, the idea of playing as a colonial-focused power like England or is very unappetizing because you have to spend the first 100 years jerking off, or go for crazy blobbing expansion routes in Europe.
>>2465309>England orEngland or Portugal*
>>2453905It took EU5 to make us realise how good we had it with EU4. Most players including myself have returned to EU4 and haven't looked back.
Haven't played since 1.2 Gib some fun countries to play as. I played Byzantium before the byzantium update, so preferably something else.
>>2465423Malacca was fun in EU4, try it in EU5 and tell me how it goes
>>2465424Could try that. I was thinking about that rough region anyway, considering something that could make the Khmer empire. But Malacca could be fun, too.
>>2465433It's a pretty fun region for naval shenanigans. Once you finally unite most of the islands under your banner you become pretty defendable against European powers. With a big enough navy you can just sink or drive them off.
>>2465309>they're moving in the right directionkinda not enough, if you pay 60 bux + dlc tax, if you ask me.Paraslop isn't a small indie dev anymore. We can demand certain standards from them and they should have some self-respect as creators and an ambition to deliver a polished, fully working product
>>2465423Define "fun" in eu5 for you, swimming through events and making use of whatever bonuses a tag may have? Otherwise you know they are all the same.
>>2465290Vicky's simulation is fun because the game loop (number go up) and historical reality (industrial revolution) are aligned. It works so well and influences so many of the other mechanics that the janky aspects are easily overlookedEU5's time period doesn't have an easy teleological narrative, at least not one that applies to every nation at every period from 1337 to the 19th century. You could definitely create something like Vicky's economy and pops by focusing on trade and exploration as the driver for other developments (this is what EU should be, thematically) but the devs didn't have a focused vision like that
If i dont have any interest in playing Byz there's no reason to get the phoenix DLC right. I dont know if that DLC adds anything for other countries i care about.
>>2453905The reason why listening to the fans was a bad idea many times, majority just exist to kvetch, and more than half don't even play the game lol
>>2456245small indie company pls understand
>>2465707>and more than half don't even play the game lolthat's a problem for johan.
What I'd like to do:>Start: Start as European country>ASAP: Adopt some subsaharan african culture as my primary culture and convert to some african paganism>End goal: turn as much of europe into africa culturally and convert it to african paganismI think the best starting country is going to be Portugal, possible Holland - if you think there's another option, tell me.What I don't know 'how' to achieve is: How do I get the conditions so I can adopt subsaharan african culture as primary (Either majority of population being that OR the subsaharan culture holding most wealth). Any ideas on that? Can you move the subsaharan african pops from overseas into mainland? Or maybe I should wipe out my european population through diseases and war?The problem is that there are lot of small african cultures.First I want to achieve the culture+faith change, then I can start thinking about the end goal.See pic related I have chunk of Africa, 25% of my population is non-european, however any singular african country is at most 5% of my population.
>>2465705Just steal it you dumb nigger. Parakikes do not deserve your goybucks
>>2465828I wasn't going to buy it. But i have no reason to bother pirating it either if its just Byz.
>>2453922what anime is this?
when will this game be on sale againi wanna give it another shot
>>24539051) They made the game too autistic. The reason Victoria 2's economy is more fun is because it's deep enough to where your actions in the game can affect the amount of goods on the world market, which is engaging and fun. But it's not so deep that it's got different types of fucking paper for no reason.2) Nothing ever happens, which is the actual reason Victoria 3 also flopped. Too much focus was put into making the game as autistic as possible and not enough focus was put into making things happen. Contrast this with the mechanically shallow game HOI4 in which stuff happens all the time, or even Victoria 2 in which stuff happens even when campaigns aren't railroaded by mods.
>>2465817retarded brown fanfic
>>2453905They listened to the 0.01% of people who played M&T and surprisingly 99.09% of the fanbase does not want to play some even more autistic mod that barely works.
>>2465320I am physically incapable of going back to a game without pops, I've been spoiled. I'm playing Vicky 2 and 3 and Stellaris now.
>>2465915>2) Nothing ever happens, which is the actual reason Victoria 3 alsoVictoria 3 is pretty successful for kind of game it is.
>>2457659>KCD1Kingdom Come: Deliverance? What. Wasn't that an entirely different genre
>>2465915Shut the fuck up, you casual piece of shit scrub. When people bitch about casuals ruining games, they're talking about (you).Nothing pleases me more than watching dimwits get filtered.
>>2465915>But it's not so deep that it's got different types of fucking paper for no reason.Ay this nigga got filtered by recipes. >Save me johan this is too autistic!
>>2467024>I am physically incapable of going back to a game without popsImperator killed EU4. Well, Paradox's DLC killed EU4, but Imperator killed even the corpse.
I got memed into buying this dogshit game on release. Is it still “nothing happens” the game?
>>2467812Pretty much.
>>2467812They announced one really positive change for the next major update but it's bringing back something that was bafflingly removed from the previous games, they're moving a bunch of not consistently triggering unique country events to decisions
>>2454690No. Maybe actually play games you larper
EU5 failed because they listened to retarded jewtubers that just wanted to do le heckin meme videos and balanced according to their in house MP games instead of making a good game (like Victoria 2)
When is 1.4 supposed to come out?I was itching for a playthrough, but I will be on a 3 week vacation in 2,5 weeks and don't want to come home to a patch that invalidates my playthrough.
>>2469554Soon(tm)They might give a better idea in the TT this week
>>2469558Okay, thanks. In that case I'll hold off and play uhh...>CK3 DLC coming 30th of September>TWW FINAL DLC coming 24th of SeptemberTerra Invicta I guess?
>>2469559I think they're gonna do another open beta for 1.4, so that might pop up before you go
>>2469560Yeah, I'll look through the changelog and see if it's going to be relevant for the country I play to play.Probably Poland or the Aztecs.Thanks anon.
>>2468409the problem is they decided to shove vicky shit into eu
>>2469559Lol this is my exact thought process with all three games. Playing the 2003 scenario in Terra Invicta rn and waiting for TW and CK3 to drop their dlc next month.
The celts shall rule again
>>2470133When are you going to cleanse Britain and Gaul of the germanic filth currently occupying it
>>2470090I prefer Broken Earth. It's actually balanced and fun.
>>2469559Also>Endless Legend 2 launches in 1.0 on Septemter 17th with loads of new content
>>2470207I'm afraid not any time soon.
>>2468409Unironically you couldn’t be more wrong.If they catered to YouTuber trash, then it would be ADHD, mission tree riddled bullshit with the game going at a gorillion years per minute since all the EU4 jewtubers just spam click the events and play at 5x speed to maximize free casus belli from their beloved mission trees.
>they are adding mana back inHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>2449255Haven't played it yet it but it seems like such an unbalanced mess, and its different mechanics don't blend well together. It's basically a $60 betaI wouldn't even bother with it because they're still trying to figure out how to make it decent, and that could take years (if ever)
>>2471425This time its only one mana type and it will do everything :D
>>2471425gold, stability, legitimacy, and prestige were all manas
>>2471425>inb4 mana was always a good mechanic
>>2471425Focus tree next since mission trees didn't go far enough.
>>2471425Stability is already mana
>>2453905... and then they've made Vicky for EU4 crowd and EU5 for Vicky 3 crowd.Wow, who could expected their game will be shit.The acrual old guard is still playing EU3/Vicky 2/HoI3 (or DH, depending on the flavour). PDX simply fucked up by first nutruring the CK2/EU4 playerbase and then trying to be "hardcore" for them in their post-Imperator slop.
>>2455059I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it actually went
>>2471496Gold is not manaProperly handled stability isn't mana (see - pre-EU4)Legitimacy was a mistake AND manaPrestige was originally just your final game score and should remained thereMana is, well, mana, when its generation is almost or entirely disjoined from your performance and/or gained by RNG factor outside of player control. Therefore, your gold as income can't be mana, unless you fuck up game design badly (see: I:R)
>>2464794>Also sliderkino. EU3 was more sandboxy than any other EU, but that doesn't make it a sim.And EU5 also has sliders fucking retard.
>>2472975How the fuck is EUV hardcore. Most of the new concepts it presents like proximity/control are extremely easy to understand. In fact it's more easy because the IA is braindead.
>>2473122>IA
>>2473127
>>2465582Good post.Complexity is not coherence.
I can't believe allies are still almost completely incapable of even moving to a country during war time
>>2473131>>2473127>>2473122He's actually French (even worse)
>>2453905You're right and that's why anons are seething. Either they are trying to protect their fragile ego after being shown wrong, or they are retarded.
>>2473249>He's actually French
So, uhh, should I play now or wait until the new patch? This is always my question with this PoS game.
>>2473638If you think the game is PoS, why play it?
>>2473122you're right its not hardcore because everyone chooses to automate large portions of the game to make it playable. It's paradox's take on autochess
>>2473727not him, but he is probably like me, likes the way the game is visually despite the severe issues it has which is a common theme with nu-paradox games
>>2473638the beta is gonna break the game again for a week
So what’s the strat for Sardinia?I want to remove scatalans and shitalians from this beautiful island.
>>2473950We're talking about EU5, right? The one where people constantly bitched about the UI?
>>2474152i'm fine with the uikeep in mind that i never liked eu4 and never liked the look of its ui and consider its vanilla map to look like shitontop of that, i only tried playing the game oncei'm not one of those people that bitched about eu5's appearancei'm indifferent about the ui, but it is the way the actual map looks that i consider visually appealing
>>2474163oh, and ontop of that, of course i like the look of the eu5 ui more than the eu4 ui
>>24557321444 eu5 start date would save the game
>>2474173this but 1648
>>2474165i agree that the eu5 MAP looks a lot better, but the ui itself is abysmal. icons are super tiny and barely distinguishable from each other. eu4 had a somewhat cartoonish style but the stylized look was great for clarity, everything was super clear at a glance even on a small screeni fucking have to squint to see who my rival is allied with
>>2474175I am finishing my runs by that time
>>2474214yeah but if you start in 1648 you'll finish by 1836 and they might actually make revolutions work properly
>>2474215>yeah but if you start in 1648 you'll finish by 1700ftfy
>>2465915> or even Victoria 2 in which stuff happens even when campaigns aren't railroaded by mods.you've never played unmodded vicky 2
where the tinto talk at
>>2475446And draw attention away from the new game, never
>>2475477johan finna have a coke fueled crashout
>>2475477nobody that plays eu5 actually... cares... about afterworld... do they?... right?
>>2475491it'll probably be more functional on launch than eu5 is now
>>2475491I care, but man i'm super disappointed that it's only north America instead of both north and south America, and people smarter than me have observed it doesn't even go all the way south to the Darién Gap, for all the talk of natural borders in the dev diary it cuts off before the main one, and apparently going into Canada it doesn't go beyond the places people actually live either, which in some ways makes sense since you are trying to rebuild civilization so why go into an inhospitable hellhole but they could have chucked some cool ancient tech up there or somethingalso that they haven't shown any real world religions is concerning
>>2464203EU5 is not simulationist. It's an incremental game just like EU4 was. In Vicky 2 for example money is useful but there's a limit to what you can do with it. With EU5 money is all powerful, it is fuel for unlimited growthParadox could have made some kino games by expanding the international competitive aspect of industry/economy, but instead all they ever do is make domestic economy into cookie clicker, over and over again
>>2476113Oh, and as people have pointed out over and over again, EU4 is a much more fun incremental game, both in SP and MP
>>2476053don't worry anon it's Paradoxyou'll get 6 $20 Canada & South America map expansion DLCs
>>2475477Hey I was kidding where's the Tinto talk
>>2464203>short time period packed with interesting historical eventsthis is actually one of several reasons why i don't like victoria 2/3>>2464218i like the idea of starting in the medieval ages because it implies a depiction of transition from one age to the next, kind of like how in crusader kings 3 there is a large part of the world that are still tribal and are faced with the option to transition into feudalthis element in eu5 needs to persist
>>2476253The board decided a Tinto Talk would be detrimental to the company given the state of Johan's mind after attending GamesCom events
I swear to fucking god i dont know half the rules for who can join a war. France declares on me, they have no allies so its just them. But then Tunis and Morocco joining in makes a little sense since i rivaled them (But they dont rival me back, so i dont know why they're able to join). Naples joined cause they were rivaled to France and intervened. However i dont know how the Otto's got in since they were not rivaled to me or Naples, nor were either of us rivaling him. And i dont know how the fuck Kiev got involved. They're not in anyway diplomatically involved in anybody in this war on my side or not. And what makes it worse is there was never a popup when they joined so it can at least tell me why, like when Naples joined or when the emperor declares on you and drags in half of the HRE, even the ones hes not allied with. But with all 4 of those countries they just joined with zero explanation why. Make it make sense.
>>2476913the game is a buggy piece of shitinvesting efforts in planning things out only to have unexplainable things going on against you it's cock and ball torture
>>2476913god i hate this ui so much. the building icons at the top are nearly indistinguishable from each other, why should i need a magnifying glass to play on my big ass screen?i hope whoever handled this trainwreck got fired
>>2453905Fact status: checked.
>>2478466are you blind
>>2478466seems like your monitor sucks, next time try sticking to 1080p which is the universal standard
Jesus christ, what did they do to the trading interface? It used to be intuitive, now I can't find anything.
think there'll be a tt tomorrow or did johan, pavia, and ryagi commit suicide in the tintobunker
>>2480120https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-122-ui-and-qol-changes.1940184/
>>2480510When it comes to development modifiers, having a road connecting a location to the capital is still necessary despite the road not giving a proximity improvement is that correct?
>>2480513If you build a bridge to nowhere, you make it somewhere.
>>2480531And I generate demand for tools. Neat!
>>2480531there's countless irl examples of this being false. i can't name examples because no one remembers where a useless road goes.
>>24741731453 december actually
What I learned from EU5 is that the historical nobility were actual scum who should've all been hung from their own entrails. TND. TOTAL NOBLE DEATHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpAgFSwCKxMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acTj-TPqGC4
>>2483836EU5 does indeed teaches to love (((merchants))) and hate nobility.
>>2483836Das rite!
why does promote urbanization always want to place towns on gold or iron
no wonder nothing is getting colonized in west africa. . .
>>2484758embarrassing
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-123-1-4-performance-and-campaign-timeline.1941000/>hourly ticks are dead>complacency is dead>better performance late game>new campaign timeline
>>2484937>hourly ticks are deadI mean, this was useful no? I liked that armies were early by an hour instead of a whole day like in eu4.
>>2484942It will definitely make everything warfare related take longer. But they're not completely closing the door to subdividing days again in future patch. This will probably take some fine-tuning to find the best middle ground between performance and pacing.
>>2484944ideally an army movement between locations should always take at least two ticks
>>2484942not enough to justify hourly tick rates, this is going to massively increase the performancethe removal of complacency is also welcome
>>2484937>hourly ticks deadAre they really walking back some of the stupid stuff they did for EUV? What's next, a 1444 start date so I don't have to spend 150+ years playing in the fucking Middle Ages?
>>2485078Probably 1492 so you can immediately begin colonization. Also I think that'll take at least three years.
>>2485078>>2485148i will never play a start that is later than 1337removing the hourly ticks is disappointingi wish hourly ticks weren't one of the problems
>>2450614... yes?I'm sorry, are you one of those an-cap schizos who don't understand how taxes and state enterprises work?
>>2473122>Nigga doesn't know what quotation marks mean
>>2485218I wish there was any kind of elaboration on what "cost of court" actually means, or the "stability invstment" for that matter.
VGH....... fair italy..... greatest of the world's empires..
>>2484937>complacency is deadthe EU4 blobber zoomers wonthe west has fallen
>>2485350>no Tunis>no Greece>no Gibraltar>no Tripoliweak italy
>>2484937"Third worlders playing on Chromebooks complained about hourly ticks because they didn't understand it in 5 seconds so now know one gets it LOL"
>>2449255No missionsNo buySimple as
>prefered mayonnaise and taxes to base eu4>quite enjoying the base game eu5I feel like I'm the only one
>>2485592i'd enjoy it more if i didn't suck at it and if it wasn't so unstable
>>2485592Mayo and taxes is in theory good but the eu4 engine and ui limitations make it too much of a pain.
>>2485596I'm about 200 hours in and have just learnt towns and cities have a building capacity with penalties if you go over it. There's a lot of info hiding places but I don't mind finding it all out
>>2484758>Top ten the last 50 years with barely any institutions at all>Just defended against invading Ottoman coalition of 4 different countries>BuT nEw ReSeArCh TrEe DoEsNt HeLp AfRiCaNs DuH
>>2485656i used to boost relations, establish chain of trading posts, setting up trades from place to another when i was playing as shitholeshere i just dgaf at all, it matters not also i think they nerfed institution spread via trade too
>>2453905Looks like you’ve discovered something important about human nature .
>>2485592I didn't enjoy MEIOU because I like my game running at more than 5 fpsEU5 could have been enjoyable if it wasn't in a permanent phase of redesign to erase any possibility of the players being good at it, and if performances, like every nu-paradox release, didn't shit the bed once you reach the midgame.
>>2485571tbf they nerfed it so much for battles because retards were complaining that they would last less than 48 hours and were too fast. It already lost its use, the arcade faggots won this one.
>>2485672bro they fixed everything in 1.4 trust the plan
>>2485592Same Vanilla EU4 feels like risk. Having an actual economic simulation is a lot more fun imo.>>2485596Works on my machine.
So is there any way to simply take stuff without having to fight some "just war" with CBs and peace negotiations? I remember close to launch I did a Netherland campaign and in the end I was in a constant war against most of the world but I still had to negotiate the last few provinces to fill my desired borders and I couldn't imagine the amount of micromanagement needed to fully take over Europa let alone the world.
>>2486814maybe transfer subjects war resolution would make painting the map faster. The game is not about that however, it will punish you for blobbing anyway.
>>2490321yeah map painters have their own containment game(s)
Moids I bought it and I... I like it. I like it a lot. Played and lost a couple campaigns learning. I have an East Breifne campaign off the ground. Currently researching tech for horsies and building up the economy so I can challenge Pale and England. I wanted Pale to attack me but it seems like he wants to be friends and spam me with invites to join England and him. Gonna kill him instead. The sliders are awesome. I can peasantmaxx and RP making my realm a nicer place to live.
So how as a tiny Sardinia polity, get the money to establish my own market as quickly as possible?
>>2490448Sell your shitty paintings for hundreds of ducatsIsn't there a new button that you can click for free money from the estates?
>>2490451Doesn’t loaning completely destroy your crown power thoughbeit?
>>2490563He didn't mention loans, Johan added multiple "click here for free money" buttons to the game because zoomers can't just wait for their economy to grow.
>>2490567i would like to know where these buttons are
>>2490447Ireland conquered! I didn't actually make any horsies. Instead I allied Scotland and France and with them we went after England + Castille (who also ate Portugal). Scotland and France did a fantastic job dying for me and exhausting the English! Scotland lost all levies and peaced out for a couple locations and France got Castille to white peace and then got a mutual kill on the English navy. My mercs and levies sieged down the Pale. Pretty smooth sailing. Even got 100% war score with some war reps.
>>2490321what a dumb fucking take. if the "punishment" is having a clunky UI then that's simply bad game design. if i am strong enough to literally take on the whole world then i should be able to skip over diplomacy>>2490431retard
>>24905781. Request grant estate interaction from burghers.2. Sell work of art diplomatic action.
>>2490645go back to goi4 and jewu4, lil ganesh
>>2490649i accept your concession. maybe try playing the game past the early game instead of constantly starting over like the little adhd gremlin u are then you'll see how annoying it is to be able to crush everyone in the world at once without being able to fill in that last province because of some dumb game mechanics
>>2490651>t.
>>2485148The problem with 1492 is that there are no variables for the New World. Spain and Portugal are already set up, the Dauphin won, England is stable, it has no flux. '44 and '53 work because you can still majorly change things.It's probably a moot point anyways since they're allergic to new bookmarks even when it is necessary.
>>2490447>I like itJust wait 60 in game years till your pops go abroad or some other pops migrate or religion changes, revolts will break out perhaps in your subjects and you will not be warleader or you will be dragged into wars of religion abroad with no option to refuseinb4 nobody plays till 1600ye shall curse johan
>>2485656all te worst scum love nigger power fantasies and johan games
>>2490940>pops go abroadI wish intermarket migration was a thing>religion changesIt's called the Reformation and people hated it in real life too>revolts will break out perhaps in your subjects and you will not be warleaderThey fixed this already. Try and keep up buddy>dragged into wars of religionIt's called war and people hate it in real life too>nobody plays till 1600I do
Let's be honest and admit that EU5's only getting this much hate because it has no flavor. Not gonna pretend it doesn't have issues but Paradox fans wouldn't bring them up if EU5 had mission trees or unique gov mechanics.
>>2491149Agree, I love the bugs and love that devs can't decide what the fuck they want to do with their game and I love that I paid full price for an unfinished game and I love that absolutely ass of a DLC. Uma delicia/10
>>2491149“Lack of flavor” is only a complaint for low IQ people who can’t roleplay or use their imagination without the game holding their hand. Similar to how people used to be able to make up their own challenges and gimmick runs in games without having a fixed “achievement” for it. Mission trees were an absolute mistake and EU4 was made worse for their addition.The problem with EU5 imo is that the devs don’t have a cohesive vision of the game and are just flailing around and throwing shit at the wall. It was made by autistic modders that fundamentally forgot that the EU series is supposed to be A Game with certain levels of abstraction. It is not supposed to be “lol Victoria but in the 1300s” and such systems are fundamentally anachronistic and inappropriate.
>>2491179You can't use the "roleplay" cop-out with EU5.Crusader Kings (2 and 3) are examples of games that can reasonably have lack of flavor, because their roleplay potential makes up for it. Sure, you can play "optimally" and marry your heir to someone with massive claims, blob all over the world, and do a WC, but that isn't the point of the game. It's far more fun to play a lecherous old pervert, or a devoted family patriarch, or a scheming vassal, or all three at once, the game is literally what you make of it.EU5 on the other hand has one designated playstyle, you mass urbanize, you build granary towns, you spam granaries, you make vassals, you annex the vassals, you blob. You quit in 1500 because you became the biggest nigger on the block and you're just mowing down the enemy's peasant stacks with your heavy cav regulars.EU5 DOES have the potential to be a roleplaying game, but in order to do that they'd need to:>remove the entire liberty desire and diplomatic capacity system so you could paint the map with puppets with impunity>flesh out characters so they actually feel alive>sort out the levy/regular dichotomy, especially with regards to heavy cav, so there isn't a "build to instantly win every war" unit>get rid of the retarded passive assimilation/conversion, so your realms are actually supposed to be diverse instead of instantly assimilating to a mono-culture
>>2491149i hate eu5 not because it has no flavor, but because of its anti-blob mechanics
>>2491189>flesh out characters so they actually feel aliveOr just let them actually be alive, male heirs lives matter.
>>2491192I like the anti-blob mechanics, but their enforcement is extremely arbitrary.For example, if I'm playing as Britain I can build a naval governor in, say, Naples (because it's the same continent) and blob over literally the entirety of Italy. (ahistorical)But I can't build one in Dhaka and blob all over Bengal (historical)Naval governors essentially now only have use to allow ahistorical and retarded blobbing, while curtailing the ability to blob realistically. It'd be cool if Portugal could have a naval governor in Brazil, the Netherlands could have a naval governor in Indonesia, and Spain could have a naval governor in Mexico, instead their only use is for retarded ahistorical blobbing with no historical precedent on the same continent.Whoever designed the mechanic has no regard for the time period, enjoyment of the game, or history in general.EU5 is the story of a brilliant game ruined by terrible design choices.
>>2491193I think that's due to how few events they have in the game.They use the same MTTH pulse system as all other paradox games, where a random event will fire every so often.If you have 100 events, you only have a 1:100 chance of the hunting accident event firing. If you have 10 events you have a 1:10 chance of it firing.Same problem with colonization events, getting the mutt's mutters matter twice a year, every year.
>>2491199for me it's trying to play as muscovygranted, i'm still a newb and don't know the optimal way of growing into russia without either lagging behind or destroying my economy with blobbing to "keep up"not even sure if vassal swarm is what i should be doing
>>2491264They nerfed vassals hard so the sweaty metagamers couldn't abuse them, fucking them up for real use cases such as yours. Currently for Russia you're best using a mix of vassals and direct blobbing and integrating, because while vassals are still shit Russia is just so huge that you can't feasibly integrate it all yourself.Next version they're supposed to be undoing some of the nerf they did, and making vassals' base annex cost lower, so a Russia run then should be more fun. You'll also be able to put sky high export tariffs on fur, which should be pretty fun, provided they don't fuck up the economy.
>>2491270ah, nice to heari suppose i could jump back and forth between 1.4 and 1.3.11 if the removal of hourly ticks bugs me enough
guys, i do i make this entire region a single colonial nation? i can only create colonial nations the size of provinces
why are there no wiki nerds for this game? I know it's not as popular as eu4 or ck3 or whatever but there's surely people who would do it.But you look for anything specific on the wiki and it's just not there.How the fuck do levies work? Why do I have mailed knights but no noble cavalry? There's nothing anywhere in game or online that tells me what decides this. I ASSUME it's a european or catholic vs other cultures thing but I have NO way of knowing. My unique age 1 unit isn't even in the recruitment page and I have no idea why. I'm hoping it's a mod problem and I'll try to mess around with it to see why but who fucking knows.You try to find any of this specific information and you're more likely to find fucking pre-launch leaks from early access people than anything recent.
>>2491316figured it out.Despite the Duchy of Athens getting an estate that allows them to recruit order units (crusader sergeants and such) they can't actually do this because they can't construct Order Strongholds which are required to recruit these because they're not a Military Order. At least you can fix this by conquering Rhodes which does have one.You also can't recruit Catalan Crossbowmen without having the primary culture of location being accepted or primary, meaning you have to make Greek accepted to recruit Catalan Crossbowmen from them. Makes sense, of course.
>>2491325estate privilege*
>>2491311Release as colonial nation.Go to subject interactions.Choose "cede province" for every province you want to give them, yes, you have to do it dozens of times.
>>2491316Apparently the wiki is ran directly by Paradox, and they're real nazis about what people can and can't add. After a few autists attempted to do their job for them, put stuff on the wiki, and it subsequently got deleted they simply stopped trying. It was the "automatically generated" shit they were trying to edit, which is supposed to scoop stuff directly from the game files to fill in the wiki, it fucked up, so some kind people fixed it FOR FREE and got banned for it.No wonder no one uses that shithole wiki.Sadly this leaves us in the position where if you want to know something you either:1. Just know it.2. Crawl through dozens of different discords and hope one of the troons there actually plays the game instead of just uses it to groom people.3. Go fuck yourself and play a better game.
>>2491345oh, seriously? I saw one of those sections on the levies page trying to figure this out and wondered what the point was because it's been a year and it's not auto-generating shit. That's a shame.
>>2491345WOuldn't the same also apply to CK3 and EU4 though? Granted CK3 is pretty retardproof so you don't really need a wiki to learn 99% of what that game has to offer. I never found the EU4 wiki particularly helpful either, honestly reading reddit sperg posts about game mechanics was always more helpful unironically.Regardless, I understand your frustration. I just wish I could find it in me to enjoy EU4, but honestly it's just not for me. CK3 I have put too much time into it to realize its still a unbalanced blobfest with shockingly little depth to it. Even in the role playing elements, which is what everyone in /ckg/ claims the simulation and strategy died for.I guess there's Vicky 3 though, I own it, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. People say its improved quite a lot since it's terrible launch. For what it's worth, I do enjoy the slower paced econ focuses gameplay of EU5, so I probably should give Vic a chance at some point.
>>2491362I dislike how much of an ahistorical sandbox Victoria 3 is.In (modded) Victoria 2 the game follows a nice little narrative, where the variables are recognizable and distinct. Oh cool, Russia won the Crimean war and made the Balkans into puppets. Wow, the CSA won the civil war, don't see that too often. Austria is getting KuK'd hard by Germany and Italy!In Victoria 3 there is no railroading into events, Africa doesn't get colonized properly, Japan doesn't take Korea, the Balkans will never be vied over by Russia and Austria, it's just a complete blank slate sandbox. What I will say though is that the economic game is genuinely far more compelling than Victoria 2. Even if it is just line go up.I don't know if I'm just a jaded oldfag or I just happened to get into grand strategy at the perfect time. Everything before I did seems like outdated sandbox trash (blobhemia in eu3), everything after I did (HoI4, Victoria 3, CK3) seems like arcade nonsense for zoomers wanting a dopamine fix through pressing green buttons, but when I started playing GSG (Victoria 2, HoI3, CK2) everything seemed right, games simulated history well and had complex mechanics (for the time) which was as good as CPUs back then could produce. There were no skill trees, focus trees, filling point bars, or retarded political shitflinging.Community was better, mods were better, development was better, experience was better.I have to go now, it's time for my back pain medication.
>>2449255To salvage this wreck of a game set minimum revolting pops limits per province (based on size, soldiers and total pop formula) so 10 pops can flip out revolt start ahistorical world warsDont cap control increasing buildings, set an estate satisfaction penalty to control maxxing. Governors feel very gamey like civ vi. Max control Paris and St Petersburg historically were revolt magnets, make it so by implementing local satisfaction penalties for high controlRevolts are by far the worse experience in this game, 2 angry chinamen in Samara in 1400 would not cause world war, neither would 10 protestants you expelled drag you into an independence war vs your euro neighbor. Restore the option to ignore a call to arms like current day europeans do to trumpThe usual economy and trade issues can be fixed by paradoxtards like in victoria, war and revolts however seem too much for them to handle
>>2491371Victoria 3 needs to be ahistorical because the devs are hardcore commies and they need for things to be fantastical for marxism to work. Simple as.
>>2491371I actually don’t mind the focus on keeping things away from historical railroading (there NEEDS to be a civil war in 1860 or a world war in 1914). So as events/situations lead to some kind of conflict or event taking at some point, even if it is out of order or with differing parties. >line go upTo be fair, that’s been the modus operandi for economic theory in the past 100 years or so, especially after the Us dropped the gold standard and ESPECIALLY after the 2008 recession. Unless you mean to say that they fail to simulate downturns/crashes/depressions in which case it’s a pretty major flaw in the Econ simulation.Also, idk about you, but CK2 wasn’t this masterpiece of grand strategy as lot of people look back on it as. I know CK3 blows in a lot of ways, but just like with EU5, it gets tiring people looking back on the previous title with rose tinted glasses. CK2 got extremely ahistorical as well with its unstoppable Umayyad and Byzantine super blobs, and Religious Authority death spiraling for Catholics in the earlier start dates. It had certain triggers for historical stuff, but it wasn’t guaranteed to trigger, let along succeed (i.e rise of the fatimids).
>>2491581When I say "railroading" I more mean "structural mechanisms to ensure plausible outcomes".For example, an event firing on 1914.7.28 that triggers war between all the central powers and the entente is no bueno, but the inbuilt crisis and great war system that puts great powers in a diplomatic conflict against each other over some foolish thing in the balkans that can then become a great war if two or more great powers join on both sides is good "railroading", if you even want to term it that.Compared to Victoria 3 where great wars simply don't exist, it's pure sandbox, there is no railroading either hard or soft, that's bad game design and completely fails at the "strategy" aspect that GSG are supposed to be about.>Also, idk about you, but CK2 wasn’t this masterpiece of grand strategy as lot of people look back on it as.No, I'm referring to the thematics more than anything. See pic related for an example of what I mean. Sure, it wasn't peak fiction or anything, but you could immerse yourself in the world. It didn't have stupid fucking fart events and skill trees that took you out of the experience. There was no "whoops, you haven't unlocked the 'know thyself' advance so you don't get weird ghost powers letting you know exactly when you're going to die!"Also, as for ahistorical shit, I only ever played from 1066 or later, with absurd and magical shit events turned off, so the game was always fairly historical for me.
>>2476913Anyone (or any great power in europe, I forgot) can intervene in italian wars by clicking a button in situation tabSometimes it leads to you being gangbanged by everyone in europe, rarely to goated moments
>>2491713Imo, the ideal and default setting for a historical strategy game should be that, without player intervention, history unfolds exactly like real life. The only aberrations should be from the player’s actions and the downstream effects of them.
>>2491984I sort of agree, but equally with hard railroading like that the AI can't adapt to the players changes.Say for example you're playing Russia, you BTFO the Ottomans in the oriental crisis, that gets Britain and France mad at you. Then you annex Galicia-Lodmeria, that gets Austria and by extension Germany mad at you.So in this timeline it makes no sense for WW1 to happen as it did, so the event that fires it in 1914.7.28 would then be immersion breaking, despite being historical.I really think they cooked with the crisis and great war system in V2, it seems to work a lot more flawlessly and realistically than diplomatic plays in V3.
western ireland under high ai agression is quite a challenge
>>2485760>>2485571It is a GRAND STRATEGY GAME, not RTS slop... it should never had hour ticks in the first place
>>2490942you are so fragile you shit yourself in rage when someone doesnt play france or england for the 100th time in a row?
>>2492430Yes. This, but unironically. I look like this and say this.If I had my way no non-European country would be playable, just like launch CK2.
>>2492433thankfully you dont have your way, world needs less of your kind
>>2492437Dev time should be spent on Europeans who actually did shit and mattered, not on irrelevant third worlders who did nothing before they were conquered by Europe in the 19th century.
>>2492440>mutt ragego shoot up a school retard
>>2492381Just looked for the definition of grand strategy game on webster and it says it's a game with hourly ticks.
>>2492443The free market enforces my will anyway. Nobody buys third world DLC so they don't make it. Look up the sales figures for domination vs origins.But by all means, keep playing your flavorless thirdie run.
>>2492444Gullible bros, our response?
>>2449255i installed the daily ticks mod but the ticks haven't changed and it's still hourly, i'm so tired /eu5/bros
>>2492849nevermind, it works now, it's finally time to have some fun
so what were the highlights from the Q&A
>>2493429We had a Q&A?
>>2493455and a new roadmap
>>2493511I see they're not planning on doing anything from mid December to roughly February again that worked well last time.
>>2493580tinto has to be the laziest paradox studio, probably full of spanish interns under johans command
>>2493580>While most members of our team will be focused on 2.0, some will still be able to drop smaller maintenance patches throughout this “before period”. Our overall focus will be taking a breath to stop adding new things and fix what’s already there. Some of those fixes are substantial enough to find their way into 2.0, while others will come out throughout this period. We want to be transparent with you, so don’t expect anything groundbreaking during this maintenance phase. You’ll see bug fixes, Quality of Life, and maybe the odd improvement here and there.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-125-cardinals-crusade-jihad-and-religious-orders.1942311/
>>2493580It is seasonal now, so every season we will have tons of DLC's and content, and this goes to every game
>>2455059ah yes, the wonderful world of memegame2 “simulation” where pops don’t need roofs, streets, or sewers, because apparently every italian peasant is a self-sustaining hologram who can live in the Sahara without drinking water, and their only concern in life is whether they still have access to luxury toothpicks. Farmers don’t even farm they’re just wheat-shaped fountains, producing the same trickle of grain every single day, year-round, like some kind of eternal bread sprinkler, and every kernel vanishes into the great planetary food depot. Railroads spring from the ground fully formed like mushrooms, never breaking down, never needing engineers, fuel, or repairs, just click "build railroad" and congratulations you’ve just created an everlasting ghost train network that will boost the productivity of the work-from-home factory workers without burning a single lump of coal. You can even run a steel industry in an inland state far from coal and iron mining province because the Sky Vending Machine™ can simply just beam the inputs straight to the factory doorstep. And then there’s the military where armies don’t need horses, fodder, or logistics trains, just 0.15 worth of small arms and 0.10 canned food and voilà , instant Napoleonic Lego Brigade ready to fight through Siberian winters indefinitely as long as the global fridge doesn’t run out of sardines and the HQ doesn't stop teleporting reinforcements to the Front lines through Quantum Entanglementin conclusion, memegame2 is less a 19th-century simulator and more a steampunk themepark where pops are quantum homunculi who require no shelter or sanitation, railways are perpetual-motion hyperspace conduits immune to entropy, grain fields behave like hydrogen fusion reactors, producing caloric output in perfect disregard for planetary axial tilt or seasonal variation, all glued together by the Cosmic Vending Machine™ that hurls all goods from the Sky to the consumers below without thermodynamic loss
>>2464218 >nooo, trade system in eu5 is le bad!!!>meanwhile in memegame2:>ah yes, my glorious inland sorbian republic of lower lusatia, surrounded by bogs, pine forests and the occasional confused prussian tax collector, will now “export” luxury furniture and fine wine directly to China through quantum bog tunneling.>“you have made 800£ from exports.”>...what??>the spree river is two meters deep and mostly full of frogs. my railroads end in potato fields. my ports are just planks nailed to puddles, but somehow everything gets sold instantly at the equilibrium price set by Jeff Bezos, Archon of Trade.>pirates? embargoes? storms? those are flavor text.>your artisans don’t craft goods, they 3D model them in Blender and upload the STL file to the CloudMart™, where every pop on earth can instantly download a copy.>your merchants? obsolete. every snerb is born with a prussian trade neuralink welded into their skull, bypassing middlemen, customs officers, warehouses, and shipping lanes altogether>event fired: “the cootbus export miracle”>event choices:>1. "praise the market spirits" (-5% literacy in all pops until 1936 (nobody questions how it works))>2. "question the system" (consciousness +3 in all pops named sławomir, lose 10 prestige for heresy against archon jeff)>3. "invest in actual ports" (-5,000£, gain +5 naval bases, discover ocean)
>>2464521>memegame2 buffoons be like:>global event triggered: “the great trousers shortage of 1861”>effect: -50% clothing supply, +100% consciousness for all pops wearing pants>britain panicked first, london gentlemen were forced to attend parliament in union jack themed undershirts and socks, causing +2 militancy among aristocrats but also gives +10% jingoism.>meanwhile in cootbus, "wendehosen" artisans suddenly became the wealthiest class on earth.>austria responded by banning trousers imports, issuing instead “imperial skirts decree”. consciousness rose by +4 among hungarians, who immediately demanded national trousers autonomy while croats asked if they could just wear curtains instead>in tuchel, the kaszubs made a bizarre innovation of fish-skin pants. prestige +3, but life rating -10% in affected provinces due to smell>meanwhile, wiendiszts in galicia demanded cultural trousers autonomy. when ignored, they staged the great trouser secession of 1862, forming the short-lived state of “trousaria” instantly crushed by austria, but the memory lingers as +10% revolt risk in kraków>ottoman janissaries tried to revive shalwar trousers as national identity, only to discover all cotton had been rerouted to sorbian wendehosen monopoly. the sultan personally wore an onion sack to save face>meanwhile in copenhagen, danish pops invented “trouserless democracy” giving universal suffrage but requiring all voters to show up without pants. +2.0 migration attraction>event choice:>1. subsidize emergency trousers (requires cotton, wool, and coal and costs 10,000£)>2. normalize wearing skirts (+4 consciousness in all pops named sławomir)>3. do nothing (demote all pops to “human skin input”)>ai russia picked option 3>historians later described this as “a bold modernization policy.”
>>2465915 >memegame2 buffoons be like:>global event triggered: “great cabbage blight of 1872”effect: -30% food supply in all provinces producing cabbage, +20% militancy among pops with “diet: cabbage” trait>ai austria immediately banned sauerkraut, prestige -5, militancy +6>ottomans responded by importing 400,000 barrels of greek yogurt, causing global dairy prices to collapse>event fired in central europe: “hungry slavs”>effect: >sorbian pops in cootbus formed the cabbage restoration movement, demanding +100% cabbage rations>kashubians rioted in gdansk after cabbage soup was replaced with herring broth>rusyn peasants declared independence under the banner “holy fermented leaf of mukachevo” but were immediately conquered by hungary>event choice:>1. subsidize cabbage festivals (costs 50000 grain and 1 prestige)>2. blame slawomir (all pops named slawomir become reactionary)>3. do nothing (demote all pops to livestock)>ai prussia picked option 3>result: 24,000 sorbs demoted overnight into “strategic sauerkraut reserves”
>>2468409memegame2 niggas be like:>global event triggered: “mildly apocalyptic winter breeze”>effect: -55% crop yield, -10% militancy due to snowfall blocking newspapers>usa’s economy collapsed after kansas froze and all yankee farmers became unemployed poets>china responded by building five opium tea houses in tibet, hoping to westernize>meanwhile global pop militancy rose by +1.4 after frozen beer supplies triggered a world depression in all provinces producing hops. the uk responded by blockading iceland for not exporting warm air>sorbian reactionary rebels demanded the sun to return>unhappy kashubian pops attempted to “migrate to somewhere less cold” and all died in denmark>artisans in tuchel invented gloves. prestige +2>event fired: “the long chill of 1856”>event choice:>1. subsidize hot soup (requires tin, coal, and a little bit of manure)>2. encourage cultural hibernation (-50% consciousness in all pops named slawomir)>3. do nothing (demote all pops to fuel)>ai russia chose the third option
>>2491371memegame2 niggas be like:>why yes, i did start as liechtenstein and spent 11 in-game years justifying a casus belli on switzerland so i could puppet them and get access to 0.3 coal per day, which i then used to fund a single luxury furniture factory in bolzano staffed entirely by unemployed austrian clergymen who i first converted to artisans through six separate national focuses and an educational campaign called “chairs for christ.”>next, i personally mapped out every pop's consciousness threshold using excel, then created a pop oscillation loop where the same 5,000 tyrolean farmers bounced between clerks and craftsmen depending on the moon phase and unemployment rate in galicia-lodomeria. every week, i’d hold a parliamentary event just to lower their militancy by 0.02 so the artisan pipeline wouldn’t snap.>i then triggered the “social unrest over mahogany varnish” event chain, which let me manually spark a rebellion, lose to it on purpose, and install a reactionary monarchy just to unlock the +0.1 furniture efficiency modifier tied to a secret prestige threshold only known to 5 inactive german victubers >did it collapse my economy and turn 86% of my population into catatonic opium addicts who only speak in upholstery terminology? yes. did my silesian craftsmen migrate to guatemala and build a rococo cement cathedral shaped like a chaise longue? also yes.>ut now i make 4.7 luxury chairs a day. the british offered me a defensive alliance to protect the flow of rococo goods into canada>event fired: “european admiration of tasteful seating” prestige +15, pop attraction to jingoism +7%>after a bit of consolidating, i formed großgermaniums in the year 1837 using a totally legitimate decision unlocked by having:>prestige mana over 800>control of vienna, zurich, and a single parisian boutique>vgh, my vicky2 campaign is now eligible for academic citation and i’m submitting it to /v2g/ for smoothies to glaze over
u mad bro? lol
this shit is hilarious lmao
I honestly remember victoria 2 as extremely arcady, i remember there were some hearthcare policies that would make your birthrates just jump to insane levels as if the pops had a tfr of 30, i remember when china civilized half the world would become chinese because the tribal state was the only thing stopping a trillion chinese from migrating everywhere
>>2495501"pops" in memegame2 are not even real. they do not drink fresh water, they do not require temperature, they don't need shelters, they never even commute to work, they simply teleport from their metaphysical home-slot to their metaphysical factory-slot through astral projection. they don't own homes, because housing doesn’t exist. there are no buildings, no slums, no overcrowding, no sanitation crises, hell there isn't even any difference between rural and urban life because neither actually exists. everyone simply lives inside a single magic square called "province" and that square produces grain EXACTLY the same amount of food in winter as in summer, at night, during droughts, at the South Pole, and probably on the moon.farmers don’t till fields, miners don’t swing pickaxes, lumberjacks don't cut trees, they just stand there while the planet coughs up wheat, coal, iron and timber at a perfectly consistent rate per tick. there are no seasons, no droughts, no bad harvests, no holidays, no winter freezes, just an eternal conveyor belt of resources spewing out of the earth as if the entire world's soil is connected to a nuclear reactor.they don't age, they never retire, a pop of 45,000 people is basically just one collective blob with a single opinion and one shared wallet. and they also don’t have families, they just spawn fully grown adult males whenever a single magical float value labeled "Birthrate" flips into the positive (lmao)their religion and culture? also fake cosmetic effects. they don't determine institutions, taboos or intelligence and social disparitiesand finally migration? also comedy. 10,000 Hungarians can teleport to Argentina without buying a single ticket, drinking a drop of water or packing a coat and yet they don’t arrive poor, sick or isolated, no, they just pop into existence already employed, already housed (in the void), already speaking the local language and instantly integrated like plug-an- play USB humans
>nooo memegame2 perfectly captures the sophisticated political science of 19th century european statecraft>meanwhile in memegame2:>the prussian parliament spends 12 voting cycles debating whether a snerb farmer in cootbus should be legally permitted to sit down for eleven minutes after carrying potatoes>the aristocrats demand that sitting privileges be restricted to bureaucrats, officers, and anyone who has personally consumed at least 200 tons of unadulterated black coal in the service of the state>the liberals demand universal sitting rights, freedom of chairs, and constitutional protection against compulsory standing>the conservatives insist that chairs are a decadent western innovation meant to corrupt the mind of snerbian ubermenschen>the socialists demand that everyone remain standing>40,000 snerb farmers descend upon the upper house to petition for the recognition of their fundamental right to sit>they're told to go back home because the requisite consciousness threshold has not yet been attained>event fires: "the great chair question of 1854">flavor text: the chamber, alarmed by the sudden appearance of several thousand politically awakened potato cultivators, hastily passes the reform.>reform passed: "limited sitting privileges">effect: -2.0 militancy, +2 prestige, +5 comfort in all pops named sławomir, +1.0 consciousness, somewhere, probably.>the reactionaries declare the reform proof that parliament has become an instrument of snerbian decadence>the liberals hail the measure as the first great constitutional recognition of the natural and inalienable right of the citizen to repose>the socialists denounce the settlement as the creation of a parasitic chair-owning bourgeoisie, demanding the immediate socialization of all privately held seating apparatus>nearby bavarian craftsmen begin producing 8000 politically compliant chairs per month>the clergy announces that sitting is permissible provided that the chair was not manufactured on sunday
>>2464203 >nooo mission trees in eu4 is le bad!! >meanwhile in memegame2: >ah yes lemme sideload this CootbusMod Deluxe Hyperforked Edition (HFM-HPM-GFM-UltraCrimeaMashup v12.8.1b) real quick and see what the hype was all about >game launches in glorious 720p@59.94hz, disabling all blue-light filters like a man of culture >there goes my cornea but at least i'll get a ludonarrative amusement out of this >start game as humble Sorbian People’s Marsh Republic >3 provinces, 0 prestige, 0 industry, 1 hope >everything looks fine >pops? thriving in agony >economy? miserable, as intended >army? one irregular brigade led by general-poet stanislav the gallant (-1 attack, +12 speech) >ok literally nothing suspicious >hmm let's check the Decisions tab >scroll >scroll >scroll >scro-- >wait why is the scrollbar so tiny?? >whatever, let's see what they've got >decision #1: “National Destiny of Cootbus” >effect: gain cores on the entire milky way galaxy >requirements: >have positive budget >be Cootbus >what the- >scroll >scroll >Decision #24: “One People Under the Marsh” >effect: accept all pops on earth, +500% assimilation speed, -7.0 loneliness in all pops named sławomir >requirement: click the button >flavor: “We are all bog.” >Decision #42: “Cootbus Industrial Ascendancy” >effect: factory throughput +300%, clerk promotion chance +900%, coal mines now produce dark matter (+10 prestige for confusing the international scientific community) >Decision #128: “Mobilize the Bogborn Legions” >effect: +200 brigade limit, +5.0 attack, unlock unit type amphibious hussars >downside: -1 consciousness somewhere, probably. >flavor: “The mud remembers.” >Decision #88: “Mandatory Enlightenment for Frogs” >effect: +155% research points >flavor: “Croak, therefore I am.”
>>2464203 >nooo, trade system in eu5 is le bad!!!>meanwhile in memegame2:>ah yes, my glorious inland sorbian republic of lower lusatia, surrounded by bogs, pine forests and the occasional confused prussian tax collector, will now “export” luxury furniture and fine wine directly to China through quantum bog tunneling.>“you have made 800£ from exports.”>...what??>the spree river is two meters deep and mostly full of frogs. my railroads end in potato fields. my ports are just planks nailed to puddles, but somehow everything gets sold instantly at the equilibrium price set by Jeff Bezos, Archon of Trade.>pirates? embargoes? storms? those are flavor text.>your artisans don’t craft goods, they 3D model them in Blender and upload the STL file to the CloudMart™, where every pop on earth can instantly download a copy.>your merchants? obsolete. every snerb is born with a prussian trade neuralink welded into their skull, bypassing middlemen, customs officers, warehouses, and shipping lanes altogether>event fired: “the cootbus export miracle”>event choices:>1. "praise the market spirits" (-5% literacy in all pops until 1936 (nobody questions how it works))>2. "question the system" (consciousness +3 in all pops named sławomir, lose 10 prestige for heresy against archon jeff)>3. "invest in actual ports" (-5,000£, gain +5 naval bases, discover ocean)
>>2474076the usual I suppose, capture some province somehow, try to sell it to papal states for ridiculous amounts of gold
>>2491189>You quit in 1500 because you became the biggest nigger on the block and you're just mowing down the enemy's peasant stacks with your heavy cav regulars.just pick a challenge, dont try to play france/bohemia/ottomans for a change
>>2491345>Just know it.we are going full circle with how you played games back then. You had to figure it out on your own, or drop the game.
>>2495222>the great planetary food depotkek, markets do feel like black holes keeping in 200 years supply of apples
>complaining about money in EU5if you have a functioning brain you'll be swimming i money within 100 years, so before the starting date of eu4the main issue with EU5 compared to 4 is that the AI can't deal with the new systems and it fails to game themwhere as in EU4 the game came down to out expanding your rivals in EU5 all you need is a good econ game to finance your inevitable professional armythis is the core problem, professional armies shit on peasants, professional armies require building an economic base and deliberately building out manpower, the AI can't do those things, so it always loses
What's up with the Vicky II meltdown
>>2496338I don't know but I will vehemently insist that is a shitty game despite never playing it.
ohh no no no
I didn't know my nobles were this based.
beta's uphttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-4-open-beta-info-hub-beta-join-instructions.1943133/
>>2497654>babys first gsg vs actual gsg
>>2497731he didn't post a screenshot of vicky 2 though
>>2497755Are civilization games and other turn-based map painters considered GSGs?
>>2497757turn based games aren't gsgs
having a melty?
>>2497758>turn based games aren't gsgsGSGs are simultaneous turn based games, fool. They operate in discrete turns of 1 hour or 1 day and all players’ movements and actions are executed simultaneously with equal priority.
>>2497791>simultaneous turn based
>>2497805Yes, simultaneous turn based as opposed to sequential turn based. Educate yourself.
>Yes, watery dry wet unlike arid dry wet. Educate youself
>I could perform a simple google search for “simultaneous turn-based” but instead I will choose to continue to be voluntarily retarded4chins has fallen
If it's dry, is not wet. Simple as.
What if it's wet, what now liberal?
Can a fish know that it's wet?
>>2497654Brutal. Its gonna be dropped by next year
>still seething
>Starting Parliament may be Council which don't include Burghers and Burghers need over 18% power to allow Estate Parliament and get them to put forward issues (Fund Mining, Urbanization, etc.)>have to actually learn to build my nation up without cheesing it with an early Promote Urbanization>My only path start in the first century is to go Free Subject and have Nobles fund my RGO developement for more taxMy usual starts are still doable, but that sucks.
