I tried getting the SoL achievement as Belgium.I had Congo as a colony and my SoL skyrocketed the moment I released it as a Chartered Company since I don't need to care for their well-being anymore...
why is vic3 featured on the front of Steam Train Fest.Does the game have deep train mechanics?
>>2455144trains go choo choo when you zoom in on the map
>take power bloc mandate that says it increases my standard of living by +1>standard of living goes up by 0.2
Just completed my first real game of this, and it went pretty funny>start as USA>decide im going to go for a full chud slaver game>going well until around the 1870s when passive industrialization makes the trade unions OP as fuck (40% clout!)>fine whatever, i'll do the reddit cuck run>pass council republic>pass collectivized agriculture>pass cooperative ownership>pass full old age pension with level 5 gibs>SoL goes from 16 to 26 in a year>okay guess that's the campaign done, upvotes all round>newly enrichened people from free gibs and high dividends promptly abandon the trade unions and join the petite bourgeoisie>the heckin wholesome left wing paradise becomes a fascist ethno-state after allholy based
>>2455557wealth craters the attraction to TUs, it's pretty funnyhad it happen in my germany playthrough and went full fascist in the late 1870s
is this game actually worth it or no?
all that eye candy and the game still feels like a glorified cookie clicker after ten playthroughs or so
Can someone explain to me why balance of groceries never gets better even when building food factories?I tried googling it but the answers were too complicated for me to understand. I need a retardpill.
>>2455549I've realized that because of how SoL is caluclated, this bonus is completely absorbed and doesn't actually register if there is literally any pollution in a statebravo Johan
>>2455927I don't know what you mean by "balance of groceries". If you mean their price doesn't go down, that's because groceries increase in demand as you make more of them because of goods substitution. Never use the alcohol production method. Alcohol is worthless.
>4 years since release>china can still just magically defend Taiwan with their entire army
>>2455978>because groceries increase in demand as you make more of them because of goods substitution.So I should just NEVER build groceries and always spam wheat and fish?If everyone is eating infinite wheat will demand for groceries become nil?
>>2456027No, groceries are great. Agriculture sucks, so transferring food demand to a factory is a great deal. It's why the grocery company is so good.
>>2456030So I should just keep building groceries forever?I'm already the #1 world producer and produce more than the next 4 countries combined, but I'm still 16k in the hole.
>>2456032If it's still profitable then yes. If you don't want to feed the entire world, add export tariffs on it.
>>2455767if you like cookie clickers then sure
why do you still play this game?
the thing about victoria 3 is it's a very basic, midwit, entry level interpretation of socioeconomic history, basically just a power fantasy but for teenage revolutionaries instead of chudsyou industrialize, your entire working population joins the trade unions based on no other factor than their job, then they elect socialists and everyone lives happily ever afterthere is no concept of labor aristocracy, there is no concept of false conciousness, there is no notion of concessions from the ruling class to the workers (like, for example, bismarck's state socialism), because that goes against the very flat and scripted nature of marxist gospelas basic and rudimentary as the political system in victoria 2 was it was still at least better at simulating this than v3 is, when there was high militancy your conservatives would support reforms, as bismarck didnow you might say this mechanic also exists in victoria 3, but it doesn'ta movement with high agitation does indeed allow you to start the process of enacting reform, BUT the conservatives won't back it as they did in real life, and in victoria 2whole thing just feels like lazy wish fulfilment from the devs and as a result it's incongruent, anarchronistic, and immersion killingthis is to say nothing of the clear and nonsensical political bias in the game, for example the loading screens depicting blacks marching with suffragettes, despite one of the key impetuses and complaints of the suffragettes being that they as white women should hold greater political status than black men, and of course every single country in the game, including places like sokoto and zulu having at least 20% literacy in 1836 by default, an easy one minute fix that has been in the game for years because they don't want to upset their own sensibilities, nor in fact those of the reddit libs who upvote this shit
>>2456678Chuds lost.
You know Adam Smith's Invisible Hand, the original concept of which was that conditions being equal, capitalists prefer investing in their home country? This game has the opposite of that. If you play as a subject all your capitalist money will go towards building shit in your overlord. It's absurd.
>>2455557Victoria 3 was super Reddit on launch but only gets more chuddic with every update.
>>2456004Not having real armies and navies was probably the biggest fuck up paradox ever made in a game. Genuinely wtf was Wiz thinking.
>>2457223Adam Smith never lived during the time of true “Capitalists” who owned massive ass factories and industries and shit. He was describing a world of shopkeepers and merchants.
>>2457233>i want econ balance cookie clicker>abstract everything else to meaninglessness so the wrong sort of players don't play>only map painting in africa on blank land based on country econ>put in token politics system so commie underling devs will shut upTurned out the Right Sort of Player didn't buy the game, but just the normal map autists, so they've had to make everything less abstract.
>>2455549>SoL increases by 1>everyone now demands more goods>they don't have the wages or the supply of the goods available (because else they'd have that higher SoL level)>SoL goes down for those who can't afford *just enough* goods to stay on the higher SoLOr at least that's my theory
>>2455557>PB>now has conditional attraction based on SoL... huh.Wiki isn't making it clear if the +2 per SoL is on top of the working class and middle class SoL gains.Weirdly capitalists have +1 per SoL to industrialist, when their base is 250 and their secondary is 100-150 in intelligentsia (I guess so we can have historic communists), I'd almost expect paradox to have instead make their industrialist loyalty perhaps entirely based on their SoL.
>>2455927>>2456032Consumption = Production + Goods Preference.Groceries are preferred and like anon said it makes your food go further. The factories also employ people.I cannot tell you if alcohol is better made on a farm or in a factory but it does stimulate demand for glass unless I've forgotten the PM.>I'm still 16k in the holeWhy not let the private sector handle food production? Sell your food factories for a quick burst + tax their profits + let them fund new factories so you can stop spending so much on construction.There's no reason for most players to own the meat packing plants. Though I'm not entirely sure what these buildings represent as throughout the game they eat up grain and sugar yet I thought dough wasn't made industrially until recently.
>>2457223IRL>aristocrats, capitalists and traders left their countries for the metropole of their owning european nation>retained their businesses abroad and dictated foreign policy for the economic zones labelled Britain and France, such as finding new buyers for opium in previously closed markets>they bilt shit in the "overlord" partly because they are a part of the overlord>emigrants from the metropole would take their wealth to their new nations, whether inside or outside of their empire of originin-game>rich people do not migrate, neither immigrant nor emigrant>rich people invest in businesses where their profit is greatest (high market access + throughput bonus/"economy of scale"/building size + RGO exists and has high building size)>rich people invest in the metropole with its stacking bonuses, creating a super nation of a line goes up concrete jungle with infinite immigration attraction>postmodern living standards are achieved yet not postmodern redistribution of factories to human resource rich east european barely-democracies or asian countriesDoesn't seem too absurd to me. I do agree that having zero control over investment is disappointing. I would say you might find it works "better" if you make some starter industries so profits don't have bad numbers due to neither production nor consumption being in the state + then using industrial decrees, but you might find your capitalists have so little money they weren't going to build anything for you anyway.
>>2456030>It's why the grocery company is so good.I thought that was purely because of the+5% birthrate bonus.
>>2456678>there is no concept of labor aristocracyWrong>there is no concept of false conciousnessWrong>there is no notion of concessions from the ruling class to the workers (like, for example, bismarck's state socialism)Wrong
>>2457677Nah, that's secondary. By the time the extra pop growth makes a difference you've already won the game and it no longer matters.
does anyone know if I can play as the CSA and fight the civil war and play just as the south the rest of the game? I just got the base game no mods or anything. I remember playing this when it came out and I completely skipped bypassed the civil war as the US
>>2456678>one of the key impetuses and complaints of the suffragettes being that they as white women should hold greater political status than black men>Short answer: Yes — for a significant faction of white suffragists, especially Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony in the late 1860s, this was explicitly one of their arguments. >It was not universal among all suffragists, but it was a documented and influential strain of thought.interesting
>>2458208>someone tells you a historical fact on 4chan>"better ask heckin AIerino to make sure it's factchecked right think!"
>>2458196You can swap sides when the civil war pops. If you want to do that just purposefully trigger it at the start.
>>2458452It would be stupid to fight the civil war at the beginning of the game... this game is terrible at simulating history
>>2457633no it's the other reply. Calculations for flat bonuses to SoL are fucked and +1 SoL from a mandate gets entirely cancelled out by -0.00(truncated before it reaches a non 0 digit) pollution
is any country in this game actually fun other than Russia?
>>2458590Japan.
>>2458590USA, Korea.
>>2458590prussia into germany
anyone have a working autismo bloatmaxxed modlist? im getting aids from trying to keep track of all of the compatches, especially all the ones for e&f and bpm. while it doesnt crash, i dont think prussia's minister of war should have japanese localization, so i guess im fucking something up
>>2458448...are you treating every 4chan comment as a fact?
