Age of empires 3 chads we are so back
>>2455576why are they making slop for 3 when they could make 5 instead?
>>2455580because is the most soulful game in the franchise
>>2455580you know how shit 4 is and you want them to make 5? I rather have them support the older games
>>2455580>make 5 insteadThey're making AoM 2
>>2455600source?
>>2455576>danes>polesI would rather have Persians and maybe another East Asian civilization but fine. Think they've hit their limit with Euro civs now so we might get those next assuming that they don't just unceremoniously abandon development again. Besides the two new civs the other additions also look great so kudos.
>>2455619It's speculation
>>2455580It's probably too early for that as long as 4 is doing alright. And if they made one, it would be once again a medieval title most likely, so it's redundant for the time being.
>>2455576Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,Kiedy my żyjemy.Co nam Eugene Yuen wzięła,Szablą odbierzemy.Poland is not yet lostSo long as we still liveThat which Eugene Yuen has seizedWe at SABREPOINT will retrieve
I remember they cancelled some DLC a while ago.
>>2455576>winged hussarsI know it's supposedly iconic, but I'd rather play gunpowder units in a gunpowder game t. Pole
>>24555884 is fine, the release version was a bit lacking but its a good game. I wish they went deeper into fortifications.I just want them to make another bronze age ancient world game. Or alternatively something completely different like covering the development of gun weapons from late Imperial Age to WW2
>>2455804You have Chronicles.
>>2455796Yes, this was the one.
>>2455803Dude, they have non-gunpowder units in the OG 3.
>>2455809I wonder what has made them reconsider.
>>2455823It's free PR.
>>2455822Yeah, I still remember Little Bighorn with pikemen
This game is so overengineered that making expansions for it and then trying to balance them is a whole project. I guess they just couldn't do it while being busy with Retold. I see they're adding a mode where you don't use shipments and have reworked civ bonuses instead, and that alone sounds like a ton of work.
>>2455808Chronicles doesn't even have enough civs for a 4x4 without repeats.
>>2455580aoe 5 already exists and it's called Halo Wars
>>2455803Winged Hussars aren’t even all that iconic, they are just famous because of memes. They were basically just the Polish cavalry copying Ottoman drip since the latter used to have all kinds of goofy bling on their soldiers.
>>2455837>unbalancedHow so? You aren't one of those noobs who believe mexico is op aren't you?
>>2455891Polish nobility looked like turks in general and there was that whole larp where they pretended they are descendants of sarmatians rather than slavs so they adapted turkish/central asian aesthetics.
>>2455576>Bethesda,ID Soft,Arkane etc. were hit with lay off>While AOE3 rose from the grave with new expansionRTSchads really carrry shitbox brand.
>>2455957Well RTSs have more players than fighters at least
>>2455796I think it's because Microsoft got some new management
>>2456103Yeah the CEO lady that really wanted to push AI
>>2455580Because studios won’t just make proper sequels anymore. Everything has to be dlcslop
>>2455633Danes are already in the game, so I am hoping against hope the 2nd is Livonia or Courland (basically the same thing), because there is no one else in the Baltic who isn't already in the game.
>>2456262They know their players believe that 'old good, new bad' and no amount of hype would make people stop playing 2 and start playing 5. Might as well keep bloating up 2 with both medieval and ancient expansions.
>>2456262dlc is better than fragmenting communities even more with sequels that add nothing new
>>2455576If there was one upside to Sharma's slow execution of XBOX, is that she un-cancelled that expansion.
>Jeet woman diversity hire comes in>Puts Todd in his place>Makes Obsidian great again>Throws away Double Fine>Brings back AoE3 DLCWtf I thought jeet women where supposed to be destroying video games?
>>2456399She's been a surprise. Also helps that the teams that handle AOM and AOE have been miles more competent than the other studios under Microslop's umbrella. That's why they dodged the axe, unlike other studios that underperformed or worse, outright flopped like Compulsion.
>>2456399probably age of empires is considered a "iconic" franchise and they will support it even at lose they wasted 100 millions on halo infinite and still support it. so maybe the DLC was just delayed to release all the mythology´s stuff
Play the new Portuguese elmetti card before they nerf them
>the baltic "powers"
>>2455576> The Baltic PowersNice
>>2456277Courland is Poles special IIIrd age Revolution alongside Ukraine.
>>2456628>>2456723And funnily enough they get Teutonic Knihts.
>>2455891>Winged Hussars aren’t even all that iconic, they are just famous because of memes.statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>>2456724I mean it is Livonia, not Courland proper, so no surprise, despite the slight anachronism. It was partially an Orderstate (and Courland itself is the Order secularised), and the Livonian Order was a branch of the Teutons.That said I last played this game in 2012 with no expacs so I don't super know what a revolution is lol.
>>2456741Revolutions are mostly "all-in" strategies that, instead of agin up, it usually turns your villagers into military units and forces you into a bum rush with your sudden mass of units. There's usually a card to be able to start rebuilding your econ, but its a major fallback option in case you can't win/do the necessary economic damage to your opponentA revolution's setbacks is that you're usually locked to that age, so you cannot tey to tech up afterwards if you fail, meaning you have to keep up the tempo else you'll be outclassed
>>2456740It’s the truth though. Literally the only time they are brought up is because of the “and then le winged hussars arrived” sabaton song.
>>2456783They're extremely unusual units. Just the lance construction is a whole paragraph of stuff you never heard about anyone do. Only shock cavalry able to charge 8 times in a row, too. Decked out with every kind of weapon and generally makes no sense, economically, because it was purely a prestige position for the elite thrill seekers.Yeah, brah. Totes average.
>>2456904You are Polish
>>2457060And? It takes a lot to actually understand the evolution of cavalry from Iron Age to Modernity and then also understand the winged hussar specifics. Of course I'm Polish. And you can stop pretending you know shit about the subject, anytime.
>>2456399Someone has to be at the right end of the bell curve.
>>2456407The Chronicles team did get downsized despite Chronicles being pretty much the best content recently released for any AOE.
>>2456764>picAge 3 revolutions for everyone?
>>2457077Yeah, but Euros used to get them in Age 4 only. Having one that comes an age earlier sounds pretty aggressive.
>>2457064Every third worlder always tries so hard to pretend they were important once, it's so cute
>>2457120Goalpost moved, nice. Again, winged hussars were an unusual unit, a distinct approach to shock cavalry and an culmination of several trends, made extreme. You can't engage with me on this. Trying to get away into some sort of top 5 country of all time dick waggling is pretty transparent here. Pussy loser. lmao
>>2455576the fuck? i thought they cancelled their dlc and stopped working on the game?
>>2457171Totally. The last patch was in October 2024, it looked like a complete writeoff. Nobody could see this coming, but I guess they must've had a good deal of half-finished assets to restart the project.
>>2455580It's cheaper to support old games than to make new ones, and most people are somehow okay with this.
>>2457193It makes perfect sense with RTS - players are practically married to their games, communities, mods, custom stuff. Also AoE3 is pretty much irreplaceable and no dev is crazy enough to make a game of that kind of scale.
>>2455576What sort of composition are you meant to make with these two civs? For the poles i've mostly used their light inf + retainers to screen for cavalry. The danes though don't really seem to have anything too unique.>>2455803You can turn them into napoleonic lancers if you revolt into the duchy of warsaw. Its pretty cool.
>>2457240With danes Snaphane spam works pretty well.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/933110/discussions/7/588432892837909847/All the changes in the beta, in case anyone is interested.>>2457075Nope. Only a handful of civs get them: Germans, Maltese, Poles, and Swedes get Livonia, while Poles also get the Cossack Hetmanate at fortress age. The Cossacks can advance to Industrial if they ship a unique church (that doubles as factory) and research a tech inside. Haven't found if Livonia can also age up or if they are stuck in fortress age.
>>2457424The Cossacks honestly didn't seem that good when I tried them. I don't think they are really getting enough for what a revolution costs. But maybe I just haven't seen what is actually good about them yet.Happy that Prussia and Germany were added though, thats really cool. Hoping for Austria in the future.
>>2457424Odd that Russians also don't get Cossack Hetmanate revolution.
>>2457503The only really relevant thing about them I immediately noticed is that their revolution troops also double as normal citizens IIRC, but that's not as remotely unique as it used to be.They seem like a roundabout way of adding Ukraine to the game without making it too in the eyes by making them a complete civilization.As far as Poland goes the only revolution I really like is the Duchy of Warsaw because it lets Poles keep the autism fantasy of keeping their country but also serves to add in the actual Napoleonic-era Polish forces.Also it's supremely funny to have partitions of Poland as a home city card.
>>2457424>Game Size: Reduced the game size by ~10 GB through unit texture optimizations.sheeeit
>>2457424>Revolutions: The main building in revolutionary home cities now have varying facades and skies in the background.oh shit can someone post screenshots
>>2457599>Also it's supremely funny to have partitions of Poland as a home city card.Kek these fucking jeet bastards
>>2457584Not really all that odd considering Cossacks have been killing Russians far longer than helping them.
>>2457733Meh. The çcossacks have been the gendarmes of the Tsar for centuries. It would make sense to give them some option like that.
>>2457424>Fixed a bug that lifted range restrictions for melee attacks of infantry units when controlled by the AI.The one that made musketeers melee you at range? Now that's an ancient bug.>Fish traps addedWhat a random thing to add.>Chinese get nothing except another small nerfSigh.>Independence ModeActually cool as shit. Though they should add this to the base game as a freebie to appeal to purists who can't stand the deckbuilding in the first place.
>>2457733The Cossacks were some of Russia's best agents for expansion eastward (whether by choice or by force), in addition to all of the plays on the Hetmanate (separate from the Sich)>>2457766
>>2457660Holy basedI was always pissed it had bloated larger than Age2 and Age4 combined, despite less graphical quality
>>2457759And vikings were personal guards of Byzantine Emperors, that doesn't mean Byzantium should get a Norway revolution
>>2458064Don't you see the difference between having just a handful of imported soldiers and fully controlling the homeland of a people for centuries? And those people were integrated into the state aparatus as one of its strongest agents. I think it just makes sense. Not like it'd get much use, but it makes sense.
All this talk made me remember that during The Warchiefs, the Ottomans could revolt into Chile kek.
>>2455576AoM ain't doing too good huh
I am more interested in what's going on with AoM. Those were always my favourite Age of X games. I want more DLCs.t. Pole.
>>2458338>I want more DLCs.Which content do you play? Just chew through the campaigns? Skirmishes vs AI? Multiplayer?
>>2458251If that were the case... time to break the emergency glass!
>>2458251>>2458338I have it on good authority next year's DLC pack is the 4th Egyptian major and Sumeria as the new Civ
>>2458251It's interesting to me how similar these two games are. And somehow 3 manages to have wackier techs and 'god powers' than AoM.
>>2458445i would rather have hindus than jewsin fact that might actually be awesome don't they have 8 armed blue sword gods and all kinds of weird shit?
>>2458519anon they eat poop...
>>2458550So amerisharts and they featured on several games
>>2458708>what about americanssaaaar please, this delusion is unhealthy
>>2458519>in fact that might actually be awesome don't they have 8 armed blue sword gods and all kinds of weird shit?Yeah ok alright, what about god powers though?>Designated Shitting Street: unique Indian farm building that's bigger and longer than a regular farm but doesn't ever need replenishment>Google Play cards: spawns a small shack with a scamming operation that periodically steals % gold from all opponents>The Juggernaut (long cooldown): spawns a train that crushes through everything in its path in a narrow straight line across the entire map and gains speed with every allied unit crushed (so you can crush 30 jeets from the get go as sacrifice and effectively send a bullet train to the enemy base)
all civs should have unique spies
>>2459088Is it a good spy if he stands out as unique?
>>2456407>teams that handle AOM and AOE have been miles more competent than the other studios under Microslop's umbrellaI guess it also helps that Microsoft do not own them.On the beta, only played a bit of Lego people, mostly normal except for absolute riches provided by TAXES. Also surprised the devs actually went and did a sweep on the old story campaign, what do you mean I now fight actual DE Mexicans on the first mission of Act III? Now if only they had it in them to make more actual campaigns in the veil of the Japs and Indians...
>>2455576BASED
>>2459283>Now if only they had it in them to make more actual campaigns in the veil of the Japs and Indians...Best you can get is more historical battles, or the stars align and we get another big expansion in the vein of the originals, because after the fiasco of AoEII's Feeded and Seeded dlc we ain't getting a campaign/scenario-only dlc again.
>>2459288>fiasco of AoEII's Feeded and Seeded dlcThe what now? I don't play AoE II, spoonfeed please.
>>2459289https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Age_of_Empires_II:_Definitive_Edition_-_Victors_and_VanquishedThey made a dlc that was nothing but scenarios, no new civs. Of the 19 scenarios added, 14 were refurbished community scenarios that were already free.
>>2456399>Throws away Double FineHow can you see this as a good thing?????
>>2459146What if the spy appears in the design of the civ looking at them?
>>2459286trvth nvke
>>2459306Double fine has been a trash studio for at least a decade. Stop thinking of their ancient works, like Obsidian they are a hollowed out shell.
Played Poles, I think they are even MORE broken than the Danes when it comes to economy, just make some small farms that doubles as house in addition to normal houses, except I didn't needed them due to the Sejm providing pop and even more economy bullshit, making the most compact base ever.>>2457766>What a random thing to add.No, it's not random, it addresses a minor issue: once a water map is depleted of fish, you are left with a useless fishing flotilla, and there is a hard limit of 4 boats per whale if there are any. So Fish Traps are a way to give fishing boats something to do during a ridiculously long match. I guess it's also a way to have them close to the docks in case you want to water turtle instead.Personally I tend to ignore fishing boats and leave Caravels or their equivalents on fishing duty since they don't use population and can defend themselves.>>2457584>>2457782>Current events bullshit prevents ideal implementation>>2459306Well, for one she didn't sack them like EA does.>>2459307Unlike Stracraft II, AoE3 soldiers are disciplined and move accordingly and not as a 'cluster' of meat and armor, so a disguised enemy unit would stick out like the sorest thumb ever.
>>2459399Yeah, the Sejm being an early game factory/capitol is getting nerfed one way or another, with the right cards (and I think some of the revolutions) it snowballs into a monster. Also the new portuguese elmetti card if people keep making these "OMG Acorbetados are heckin' unstoppable" videos.
>>2459306>How can you see this as a good thing?????Because it is a good thing, they ride on the success of previous titles worked on by talents that are long gone from the company even before the buyout, it is a studio of hacks held together by a washed man with a massive egoI will never let go of the DF9 betrayal
>>2456724Why? They were Polish vassals until the Reformation.
>>2456904>>2456783>>2457060They had a banging battle motto:>Kill first, calculate later.
>>2457120Please point out exactly the sentence where he says he was an important winged hussar in the past.
>>2459399>a minor issue [...] during a ridiculously long matchYeah, very niche, that's my point. And the game existed all this time without them and it only took two revivals to add that. I guess it might be useful to hide your food eco next to some empty island and drag the match even longer, but who even plays water maps.
>New AoE II expansion announcedKek, they couldn't stay out of the spotlight for a second.
>>2456783They were one of Poland's UU in the 2000 RTS Cossacks: European Wars, which sold 2.5 mil by early 2002, let alone the Ukranian CD burning marketThe gunpowder era certainly isn't the most popular in terms of descriptions, but winged hussars were certainly a unique feature before 2018. There's a reason Age2's hussars have a form of wings on their back
>>2459622>Viking spleet as people had called it
>>2459649It’s not even a split. Vikings are still in the game, though it looks like they are going to be doing an Inca where their tech tree is redone to match the other Viking factions.>”Varangian” faction>”Varangian Guard” is added as a regional unit
Is there any reason to build more folwarks than you would normal farms? It seems wasteful but the cards encourage doing it.
>>2459670>but the cards encourage doing it.That seems to be the reason, there's one fortress card that sends troops (don't remember if it was winged hussars or cav archers) based only on the number of folwarks. Haven't done the math if building one and upgrading it to military folwark is cheaper/faster than making a barracks/stable.
>>2459682There are a lot of cards that want you to be building a lot of folwarks, yeah. I was just curious if there was a reason to do so beyond just the cards like a passive trickle of food or something.
>>24558044 is just 2 again. either age of empires 4 should have set between 1800-1910 or sci-fi or fuck off. I buy all the dlc's for aoe2, i don't want a new aoe2, de is already perfect.ANd money speaks. So either they make Age 5 a proper game, or they can fuck off, and keep pumpng dlc's, which btw, are all either awesome, or very good.
>>2457584>>2457733The Ukrainian revolution for Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth makes sense because of the Khmelnitsky's Uprising which put independent Ukraine (or Cossack state, whatever) on the map... only for him to sell the whole thing to Russian Tsar almost immediately.It was essentially a Russian power play against PLC that succeeded by splitting Ukraine away from Poland, doing a little genocide of all non-Orthodox people from territories of Ukraine and Belarus and paying off Tatars and Ottomans with Christian slaves.It doesn't really make sense as a Russian revolution because it was done very much as an attempt to join Russia, not break away from it.
Many people are asking to add the koreans or brazilians but what would be their gimmick?
>>2459876>KoreansJap revolution if Japs got revolutions. Hell, give Japs a better Meji Restoration as Revolution.>BrazilAlready in game
>>2459881>Hell, give Japs a better Meji Restoration as RevolutionDo I have news to you...
>>2459884I know about the Meji tech, it'a a fucking nothingburger, just a roundabout way of getting to Imperial.
>>2459881as full civs
>>2459888>just a roundabout way of getting to ImperialThey are making it cheaper and giving it an updated unit roster, no deck replacement though so it's not a proper revolution.
>>2459876>brazilians but what would be their gimmick?>Sopa de Macaco unique abilityCan harvest food from primate treasure guardians>Favela unique buildingHouse that does't cost anything to build but has very little hitpoints and takes away some of your gold every 5 minutes>Funk Putaria unique techVillagers are created extremely fast and are super cheap but slowly lose hitpoints due to STD's. The soundtrack also changes to Brazilian Funk (can't lower the volume in the game options)>Vira-lata Caramelo (caramel coloured mongrel dog) unique unitDog that's automatically trained in the Favela, can't fight very well but it's good for scouting
>>2459906Oh shit really
>>2460215That's all the unit changes I am aware of.
The treasure guardian gimmick is retarded, this isn't HOMM.
>>2460353It's a fun minigame that gives you something to do early on that fits in with the theme of expedition and adventure. And it's such a classic 4X mechanic to have in a series inspired by Civilization in the first place.
>>2460303That's really cool. I always disliked how Japan is stuck running at more modern armies with katanas and rice hats.
>https://steamcommunity.com/app/933110/discussions/7/591811227253147204/And the first row of bug fixes and nerfs is here
>tfw my favorite game mode is survival but no one in the beta plays it
>>2460353That's right, it's the exploration of the new world stage of the game where the land is ripe for conquest and exploitation. Your explorer represents this. It's neat as fuck.
>>2455803our most iconic gunpowder era unit didn't even use gunpowderour shooters were SHIT because long range combat was considered dishonorable
>>2456783Winged hussars' fame predates the song by far. Hell, all hussars in AOE2 are winged.
>>2461162>our shooters were SHIT because long range combat was considered dishonorablewhat the fuck are you even talking about? Polacks weren't "shit" at shooting nor was ranged combat dishonorable. Polacks had possibly the best horses and best horse breeding practices in Europe at the time, a HUGE amount of nobles and "nobles" who trained with horses since childhood, along with their entire country being a huge grassy flatland. The noble thing is also why Poland collapsed and got partitioned, literally EU4 "nobles have too much influence" disaster event chain.How do you think they laid siege to Smolensk? With swords because it's dishonorable to use cannons?Compare that to fucking Sweden who had none of that. Logically they could have only relied on masses of musketeers and cannons instead to project power in the region, and only because they could pay for all of it
>>2461162well the reloading times were like 5 minutes anyway
>>2461162That's cute but no.It's hard to even argue Winged Hussars and Kosynierzy were the same era unless you use the broadest of strokes possible. Winged Hussars were the elite cavalry that was almost extinct by the start of 18th century. Kosynierzy were volunteer insurrectionists of late 18th, early 19th century, common peasants using their scythes against the occupying powers because they had nothing better available. There's a hundred years between them and in that time Poland quite literally stopped existing. There was nothing about honor involved.>>2461202>Polacks had possibly the best horses and best horse breeding practices in Europe at the time, a HUGE amount of nobles and "nobles" who trained with horses since childhood, along with their entire country being a huge grassy flatland. The noble thing is also why Poland collapsed and got partitioned, literally EU4 "nobles have too much influence" disaster event chain.Winged Hussars were arguably THE elite of the period. While you most commonly see them described and portrayed as this homogenous block of horse and man charging upwind into the Hell's asshole AND succeeding against cutting edge western-style formations of gunpowder infantry and cannons. This isn't even "oh they did it once and never shut up about it" situation, they had consistent success against warfare that was supposed to make charging with lances and horses obsolete. The claim that they never lost a battle in over a century is of course bullshit but has a grain of truth in that they almost never got defeated whenever they were deployed in significant force - and they often weren't, since at many times their service to the country was more a matter of courtesy and honor rather than actually being a disciplined military force ready to answer at any moment.
>>2461800Also, a very forgotten facet of Winged Hussars is that they actually used a wide array of tactics and armaments fitting their foe. The battles they had against their Eastern foes often involved a much more dispersed, skirimshing actions, hence why the signature weapon of Winged Hussars aside from their lances (and long lance-like Koncerz swords, and pistols, and...) were bows. One of major theories as to the nature of their wings is that they were fixed to saddles and existed as a form of protection against muslim Tatars who utilized lassoes to drag enemies down from horseback since ransoming (or selling into slavery in Ottoman Empire) Polish nobles was very profitable to them.One of their most succesful battles in terms of power balance was Battle of Hodów where aside from a quick charge at the moment of contact, the Polish forces that consisted of mere 100 Hussars and their 300 companions held out as infantry in a hastily fortified frontier town against 40,000-70,000 Crimean Tatars, to the point that when they ran out of bullets they used arrowheads from Tatar arrows as ammunition in their guns. tl;dr Understanding Winged Hussars as only "melee cavalry" unit in historical context is flawed, they were a formation of self-proclaimed "gigachads" Swiss Army knives with chronic main character syndrome that were the only reason the circus that was Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth didn't collapse a hundred years earlier.
>>2459711Just realized something, the Poles will start with the following bonuses in Independence Mode according to the patch notes:-Villagers gather from agriculture 30% faster, but 50% slower from hunting.-Farming on Folwarks generates extra coin income.-Folwarks spawn 1 pig when built. Livestock Folwarks can automatically harvest Herdables and offers +5 gatherer slots.I'm no theorycrafter and Independence Mode is not available in the beta yet, but at least in that mode it seems they will be more important.
>>2461855You can get these effects already if you ship in the right cards though. The auto herding of pigs is already an option, as is the farming bonus with hunting drawback and coin income. Independence mode seems to just have the civs get a few select bonuses built in from the start rather than being somethign you pick and build up mid game.
>>2461934>Independence mode seems to just have the civs get a few select bonuses built in from the startThat seems to be the case so far (Some are looking OP if the card effects are applied as they are right now), and that's what I meant: the Poles in that mode will get nerfed hunting from the beginning, and even with hunting dogs and steel traps, it cannot be countered. Still trying to figure if military folwarks have any benefit over just making more military buildings, since those don't even train all the unit roster.
>>2461962It's their gimmick that are cheaper?
Honestly, the main qol thing I'd like to have would be to be able to select multiple civs like in aoe2. I hate going all random, but sometimes there are a few I'd like to play and I always have to pick just one.
>>2462113They cost 170 wood, same as barracks and stables, and take 17 secs to build which is much faster than those two, but unless you pick the Logistician to age-up to commerce age (which right now costs 100 more food than the others) you also have to spend 100 wood to upgrade them to military folwarks.
>>2462292I think military folwarks should have a sort of tower defence quality to them. A little like the japs' castle, or maybe instead it should let villagers hide inside it.
>>2459870>Khmelnitsky's Uprising which put independent Ukraine (or Cossack state, whatever) on the map... only for him to sell the whole thing to Russian Tsar almost immediatelyThat's because he lost in one of the most humiliating defeats recorded.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berestechko>Poland - 70,000 - 80,000>Cossacks - 100,000 - 200,000Losses>Poland - 700>Cossacks - 30,000 - 40,000 KILLED
>>2462323That's not even a battle, that's just total slaughter
>>2462323I'll be honest any time I see one of those "historical battle" articles on Wikipedia which has massively lopsided casualties like "side A lost 50 while side B lost eighty gigajillion" which doesn't have a very obvious explanation like "side B were spearchucking niggers with a mean IQ of 40 and side A were Aryan ubermensch armed with modern automatic weaponry and drones", I immediately assume it to be bullshit based off either fudged data, poor record keeping or outright victor propaganda. I mean for fuck's sake we can't even reliably determine the result of most battles fought by ancient Egyptians because they were so prone to rewriting history in order to make themselves look better so how the fuck can any legitimate historian take a look at this horseshit and think "yeah, looks legit"?
>>2462724>how the fuck can any legitimate historian take a look at this horseshit and think "yeah, looks legit"?das rite cleopatra was black n shie you finna tell me these raycis crackas went to anshiet eegypt and checked??? shieeeeeeet dont believe what they tell you boy we wuz kangs n shiet
>>2462780That's not even remotely the same you disingenuous fuck and you know it. Even today ancient Egyptians aren't black after having been continuously under foreign control for two millennia straight. And even with modern-day armies you don't get these kinds of lopsided casualty numbers, you're telling me they were pulling it off when most combat was of the close quarters variety?
>>2462724The usual explanation is most casualties were often not during the battle proper, but the winning army running down and slaughtering routed losers. But the funnies Wikipedia battles are Chinese warring states, with like a million killed listed
>>2456783you sound german or youre just not a war buff; they won a ton of battles for the plc and the only reason they were partitioned is because some cossacks revolted broke a treaty and ambushed most of them after they lost this battle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berestechkoall light cavalry in europe adopted their style and they literally founded the american cavalry. on the other hand the only reason western knights are famous is because of hollywood and the anglosphere's stories of chivalry like king arthur (which is originally a scythian myth btw) the only more notable cavalry in all of history are the mongols.
>>2456783they led the largest most succesful cavalry charge in history in the largest battle of the 17th century which they pretty much single handedly won which ended ottoman domination in europe. thats why the song was written they won a ton of battles thats just the most famous won
>>2463252>on the other hand the only reason western knights are famous is because of hollywoodAh, yes, surely the Jews wanted to glorify the Christian warrior ethos and the pinnacle of Aryan chivalry and nobility.
>>2463252The reason they were partitioned is because their government didn't work and their economy & military (including winged hussars) were outdated by the 18th century.
>>2463252A German is unlikely to seethe about winged hussars. They never really fought Germans.On the other hand, they were instrumental in the war that led to Poland (briefly) capturing Moscow.
>>2463258>briefly capturing moscowMy nigga everyone and their mother captured moscow, russians give that city away easier than a two dollar hooker gives up her assit means absolutely nothing because 3/4 of the time it was a trap
>>2463267Not that time, it lasted 2 years and Poles got comfy in there before getting ousted
>>2462724Anon, the printing press was already present. There were literate people at the battle. Corpses were counted.Plus Cossacks fought in tabors, closed off, extremely dense formations of infantry, which lent itself to enabling a post-rout slaughter, while the Polish forces were mostly cavalry.>>2463267>Poland>Napoleon (after they burned it down and abandoned intentionally)>???Who else.
>>2463272Ottomans too albeit they didn’t really capture it they just burned it down so I’m struggling to think of anyone else that anon could mean. Didn’t Austrians also take it at one point or am I misremembering?
>>2463275>Ottomans too albeit they didn’t really capture it they just burned it downThey only reached the suburbs and set them on fire. Poland literally made the Kremlin their headquarters.
>>2463272If I remember the AoE4 campaign correctly, Mongols completely destroyed it 2-3 times
>>2463282Once, and Moscow wasn't even the capital at the time, it was just a town among many.
>>2463277>only reached the suburbs and set it on fireHuh? Most of the city and a substantial part of the Kremlin was destroyed. That’s more than just the suburbs.
>>2463287>>2463286>>2463282>>2463277>>2463275Wait so Russia was always weak?
>>2463252i love how germany will forever live rent free in the heads of polacks
>>2463299until the 18th century basically
>>2463310>>2463299It never stopped being weak. Russia is incapable of winning a 1v1 war against anyone. The few times they did they achieved victory via throwing men into a meatgrinder.Reminder the Soviet Union lost a war against Poland, a country that regained independence a year prior and had ongoing wars with all their neighbours.
>>2463256you ascribe it entirely to economics and politics and not to war? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_BatihAfter the battle, the captured Polish–Lithuanian troops were brutally slain and beheaded by the Zaporozhian Cossacks and Crimean Tatars, as a revenge for the Battle of Berestechko.[6]During the battle, the forces of Cossack Hetmanate and Crimean Khanate destroyed many and one of the best Polish–Lithuanian military units. Although the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth managed to rebuild their army soon after the battle, the losses of the most experienced troops resulted in its temporary weakness. Defeat of the Crown Army contributed to the wars to come with the Tsardom of Muscovy and Swedish Empire, which in turn resulted into the Deluge.poland was devastated by a series of wars particularly one by an opportunistic swedish empire; have you ever even heard of the carolean army? >>2463255yeah jews didnt write those tales of chivalry old british and french guys did stop being a retarded faggot the jews dont dominate the media entirely until post ww2; you learn about knights in curriculum in canada like you are going to be a page or something its all part of muh british heritage remember the country that still larps like it has a king?
>>2463396I'm pretty sure I did mention outdated military
>>2463255pinnacle of aryan chivalry and nobility muh fairy lady; all of the hussars were actually nobles whereas in western europe they got warriors to do all their fighting while the nobles were mostly pompous rich tax collectors who didnt fight their own battles. they were proto police officers with no autonomy dont compare them to the pinnacle of aryan chivalry and nobility the polish hussars. the greatest tale of chivalry btw is don quixote and hes not even a real knight just some guy who is delusional about knights.
>>2463397misfortune and treachery are not the same as an outdated military you could say germany lost ww2 because of an outdated military by that logic
>>2463397https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Batih poland didnt really have an army after this all the fighting they did in the 17th century caught up with them. this is a discussion about the military your take is very dumbed down/ reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batih_massacre
>>2463400You know the battle of Vienna was after that, they did just fine there
>>2463399Nazi Germany is a good example of how you can rebuild a military from nothing in less than 20 years
>>2463308my favorite western knights is sir elton john; just tell me im right that youre german the only country that gets butthurt over polands military achievements is germany because the teutonic knights got their shit pushed in by them effectively ending german knighthood
>>2463403yeah in the 20th century with modern weaponry and industrialization training the horses not to be afraid of charges was difficult and the nobility were the ones doing the fighting so you couldnt just replace them with peasants with guns if they all got wiped out. >>2463402that sure helped austria and europe but poland fought too many wars in quick succession and they were geopolitically fucked by their neighbors. oh yeah the king of poland was also sleeping with catherine the great when the country was partitioned and all of the last kings of poland were shitty germans like this guyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_II_the_StrongHis reign brought about many troubles to Poland. He led the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in the Great Northern War, which allowed the Russian Empire to strengthen its influence in Europe, especially within Poland. His main pursuit was bolstering royal power in the Commonwealth, characterised by broad decentralisation in comparison with other European monarchies. In order to reduce the autonomy of the Commonwealth's subjects, he used foreign powers, leading to the destabilisation of the country.he also bankrupted the country to build the germans zwinger palace
>>2463411the PLC had the highest population of """nobles""" in Europe
>>2463417you said it well they werent nobles by the western sense meaning wealthy landowners they were citizens who were given political and military responsibilities, the vast majority of polands nobility were actually poor but with 10 percent of the population belonging to this class it allowed the military to be compromised almost exclusively with these guys, why I claim polands army had a higher percentage of nobility than any other european army
>>2463411>you couldnt just replace them with peasants with gunsActually, that's exactly what more modern militaries (like Sweden) did, and guess what? It worked.
>>2463417its also why there are no polish knights the nobles did the fighting there was no separation between the ruling class and the warrior class in the plc; theres a reason sobieski himself led the charge at vienna.
>>2463402>viennaReminds me of that story posted on /his/ once about the aftermath of the battle where some Polish dude captured a Turkish nobleman (or one of their equivalents) and was planning to ransom him only to have some random Germanic Chad ride up and and bisect the Turk with his sword as he was galloping past and then laugh as the impotent Poleshit REEEEED at him for killing his meal ticket.
>>2463422modern war takes all the honor and bravery out of battle, after ww1 upper class people stopped going to war because it was just mass artillery and gunfire there is no room for individual heroism. youre right sweden had its 15 minutes of fame with its military innovations which were the toast of europe but once everyone else adopted them it became about military and industrial power and not military genius. the reason you play age of empires 3 is because war was better in the past relative to today
>>2463429and you faggots wonder why I assume youre all germans enjoy your impotent anecdotal story the poles won that battle
>>2463398>all of the hussars were actually nobles**titles awarded to pack the Sejm, collect foreign bribes, and veto anything regarding developing the state
>6,7 gb updateWhat was it?
>>2463429Germans have the pettiest christmas table stories
>>2463555Open beta is over, now back to normal AoEIII until the DLC releases next month, I regret not playing it more since I saw the patch notes for the campaign and it was quite a lot of changes.As for bugs on me, only a couple: all Advanced Market cards sent a aztec/inca travois instead of wagons or ricksaws, but it did built the markets, and the Pole Hetman was never able to say his attack lines.
>>2463734>all Advanced Market cards sent a aztec/inca travois instead of wagons or ricksawsThat happened with at least another card, I think one of those "ally you with a royal house and send an embassy wagon", it sent an inca travois.And speaking of the Hetman, the Sejm's default hotkey clashes with the attack move one. Not a bug, but an oversight.
thoughts on the new scottish natives?
>>2464285aye
I wonder in how many battles harpooners actually participated
>>2467561>Imagine leading your army of perfectly drilled line infantry, with their elegant napoleonic era uniforms, across a battlefield in some godforsaken corner of Europe.>Only to be met by an horde of beerbellied fishermen with rubber boots shooting exploding harpoons at them while smokingVGH... Those were the days, when war was between true gentlemen.
>>2467561Man, I love all these different outlaws. A bunch of local scum you round up to pad your expeditionary army. They're different in each region, setting a specific theme... Unless you play as native American civs who have fixed outlaws and thus zero variety.
>>2467565>>2467876That's one of the things I like about this period, sure, travelling still takes a long time, but still is fast enough that one could gather a army of mercenaries and/or natives from literally everywhere and each would fight using a unique weapon or martial art AND would still have a fighting chance because even if the enemy had gunpowder weapons they were still not ubiquitous.
would having the option to customize your flag (choosing Scotland's cross rather than united Great Britain, or Trastamara than the cross of Burgundy for Spain) be confusing for the game, or would it not matter because teamcolor is more relevant
Can ships be repaired?
>>2469418By moving them near a dock, I think each dock heal one ship at a time.
>>2469316It would be confusing since the revolutions change the flags too. It's not just player flair but actual game mechanics
>>2469316>>2469482You can use a flag modBut only you can see the change
Has a longer campaign ever been made for aoe3 after aoe3DE? I played the original ones but I wish there were more.
>>2470124No, only those historical battles.
>>2455895poles and turks are both half mongol so, sarmatians btfo?
>>2470148>t. totally not butthurt mongolian rape baby russian
>>2469528Speaking of, just found out about the flag maker for AoE III, and it hit me like crack on a nigger ghetto. Don't even know how to make mods, yet I've been making flags non-stop.
>>2463448No, the "szlachta" faction was so large because knighthood = szlachta back during the Middle Ages, with Poland having a massive amount of them due to their cavalry-centric armies. Plus kings would knight, en masse, squires before important battles and, most importantly, squires DID NOT have to be from the nobility themselves.Then throw in a period of around 150-170 years of peace and prosperity where their population boomed.
>>2463299Militarily, yeah. But Russia was always good at spywork, shitposting and spreading dissent.Hell, Catherine the Great even wrote a letter to boyars saying "there is no point fighing the PLC 1v1 you idiots, they will roll over us every single time, we need to divide them politically".
>>2455576I just want an age of empires Napoleonic campaign, is that so much to ask
>>2473840Realistically there's no reason why AoE3 couldn't have one. Somebody just needs to make it.
>>2455580They tried with 4 and it was a disaster so they decided to keep milking the retards of aoe2 and they gladly fall for it despite the game always being buggy in some way.
>>24555884 was much much better than 3 at least.3 was fucking garbage.Anything was better than 3.
>>2455600Kinda want.>>2456399Explains all of the slop in recent years that is sabotaging the hard work to revive AoE.
>>2459088I would like intricate espionage tactics and a modern era AoE on par with Red Alert at least.I do prefer antiquity and medieval warfare though. Modern and futuristic warfare becomes a stagnant abattoir at times with lines of shooters.
>>24751343 is the peak of the franchise
>>2475134>4 was much much better than 3 at least.In what way?
>>2475134>3 was fucking garbage.Kill yourself you tasteless faggot
Probably new Persian civ or/and map
>>2477169Most likely map(s), I really want to believe they could do Persia gunpower civ but you know, modern bullshit sucks.
>>2477169>NAT>MERCProbably map.
>>2477169The mention of Circassians makes me wonder if they’re gonna expand the Ottoman civ with new stuff.
>>2477202NAT is for native units, NAT MERC for natives you get in shipments, I think. Units you browse in https://aoe3homecity.com/en/units have these tags. Sounds like a new minor civ or (another) rework of the Sufi.
>>2477215>or (another) rework of the SufiI saw that theory somewhere else, what's the deal with the Sufi? First they took away the war elephant and added the qizilbash, and now they might change it again.
I just tried playing a ranked 3v3 at 900eloGot teamed with 2 guys who didn't know how to play against an organized stack that dogpiled me 10 minutes in as ItalyMy team even had a few units but didn't see or care about what was happening outside their basesIt reminded me why this game isn't popular, although it extends to every rts, 1v1 is too sweaty with the most boring decks, and in 3v3 you have to be prepared to play 1v5.I guess the problem is that i just can't afford to get good at this game anymore, it also doesn't helps how much it apparently is going to remain the undesired child of the franchise forever, why should i dedicate limited time to a game that has broken shit to this day when WE already showed what can be done if they actually care with Retold?
>>2477255On team games there are basically 2 ways to winHard rush one player so the other team have 1 player less or go fast imperal/industrial strategy like mexican charros or british harquebusiers
>>2473830>But Russia was always good at spywork, shitposting and spreading dissent.No, no they weren't. You're thinking of the USSR, which was a completely different beast altogether.The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the Kingdom of Poland before that, had actually a magnificent spy network.What actually happened is that THE BRITISH were working behind the scene in order to support Russia and weaken the PLC.One Polish writer stated it very bluntly:>If you were to pick the #1 biggest enemy of Poland in all its forms, it would obviously be a race between various versions of Germany and Russia. But there would be no doubt that #3 would always go to the British.
>>2477169Add Persia and Central Asia and later Korea and Austria and the game can be considered complete.
>>2479079>austriaGermany in the game is already a fusion of Prussia and Austria.
so did anyone else pre-order for friday?
>>2485407I'll tomorrow just before release.
I hope we get more renaissance and industrial revolution meme units instead of medieval shit
>>2485407I did and feel super guilty about it because I generally never preorder games as a matter of principle and it feels like a slippery slope. Had the same policy in place for Early Access and ended up breaking it for Fallen Aces. I tell myself it’s just a one time thing.
>>2485439Did wood really protect against musket fire?
>>2485439>The Germans' war wagon got a slight redesign and has its lore section remade, removing the hussites partThat's some unexpected attention to detail, especially after abandoning the game
>not bring back the real peak AoE game.
What civ should I go for if I like the zerg from starcraft? I always like the "spam cheap units and win with numbers" play style.
>>2485821Russians. Chinese if you dare. Mexicans, maybe.
>>2485786It's a bit surreal, given that the update that will release with the DLC will also revamp the campaign missions, something I doubt anybody was asking for. What the fuck happened in Microsoft for them to come back here? I'm happy for it, but it's so odd. I hope this at least give the game enough of a boost to 'complete' the rest of the 'world'.
>>2485871The previous expansion cancelation was brutal, happened after delays and right after a sale, and then zero updates whatsoever. To recover from that they had to show some effort.Campaign and skirmish improvements are nice haves. I know I'm going to play them, as might others who never touch multiplayer. In future DLCs they could try adding a campaign map mode if making actual campaigns is too much work.
>>2485407I preordered, not so much because I'm all that excited about this DLC, but because I hope good sales will result in more AOE3 love from Microsoft.
>>2485696It was more meant to serve as an improvised field fortification against knights and arrows.
>>2485871>Pajeeta takes control>Expected microsoft to crash and burn into live service slop and microtransactions, just like cartoon network when that pajeet made it the Teen Titans go channel>She apparently shoved a firecracker into everyone's ass and ordered them to get their act togetherWell, I'll eat my hat.
>>2485696Musket balls punch through, rather than cut through like a modern bullet, while the lead tends to expand when encountering firm resistance. It's not to say everything will block it, hut some solid boards can definitely damper it, like this 18th century wooden cabin I used to live by
>>2485696Log walls could stop cannonballs
>>2485888>>2485871Halo Infinite had a budget of around $500 million and flopped in comparison AOE 3 probably is far more profitable.
So far, as far as I can tell, the new maps are>Included in base gameCaspian SeaMalta7 Years' War >DLCBering StraitFaroe (Island)GotlandGreenlandHeligolandHudson BayIcelandKarelian LakesLabradorNorth SeaNorthwest PassageNorwegian SeaNova ScotiaNunavutQuebecSapmiShetlandsSouth NorwaySvalbardSwedish LakesThe Arctic
>>2486260ah, I missed the Virgin Islands and thought the Black Sea and Gold Coast - Fort had been added earlier
>>2485811Celeste is going strong
Anyone been able to make the folwark boom work out? Its a bit too slow to get going I find.
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Oh, right. The homecity-less mode was part of the expansion, not the free update...
>>2486433Genuinely don't know who the fuck asked for a mode sans home city shipments, you are basically removing half the functionality of most factions in the game.
>>2486554>Genuinely don't know who the fuck asked for a mode sans home city shipmentsAOE2 players
>>2486554You know the cards are one of the most criticized design choices in III, with all that spawning resources and units out of thin air, right? Though I doubt having the mode would bring many new players who always hated that mechanic, especially since it's paywalled behind the expansion. I think it could be interesting, like I have to try this variant of China, the bonuses look sick.
>>2486609>with all that spawning resources and units out of thin air, right?they're shipped to the colony from the home country...
poles are fundanes are not
>>2486595>AOE2 playersSo nobody important. If those faggots had their way then AOE2DE would never get any additional civilizations and you'd never have stuff like regional units to actually make the different countries feel different.>>2486609Criticized or not, they are an integral part of AOE3. Playing without them is essentially stripping out a core mechanic.>with all that spawning resources and units out of thin air, right?Do you not realize that it's supposed to simulate the relationship between empires and their colonies?
did they change the ai?i don't remember it spamming artillery this much previously
>>2486800They did actually, check patch notes.
>>2486798>Do you not realize that it's supposed to simulate the relationship between empires and their colonies?I'm not trying to pick an argument with you, just explaining what filtered people. In AoE2 your intents are very telegraphed, all it takes is scouting your base to figure out what you're doing. If you want a mangonel, there are proper steps for that, but for a falconet you don't need buildings or resources, just a shipment right after you age up. Your deck can conveniently cover the blind spots in your build order.
>>2486800>i don't remember it spamming artillery this much previouslyYou must be lucky. Since vanilla, the ai becomes an artillery aficionado after hitting industrial and imperial in the hardest levels. I did notice that, after a certain update, the ai now tries to kite your units and retreats instead of just throwing its units at you, so you can no longer just move attack or else your units will chase some random dude while getting ridden with bullets.
>>2486800A couple years ago I played against Italians and past a certain point the computer player spammed nothing but dragoons and artillery. What a degenerate and unbeatable combo when playing China.
>>2486864>Your deck can conveniently cover the blind spots in your build order.And conveniently we now have a civ that counters that with the Danes being the taxman that can see what cards the opponents send. Oh the irony. At least that means the devs are willing to experiment with the cards rather than completely cater to AoE2 players.>>2486800No shit, the enemy actually thrown respectable levels of attack waves at me, even without artillery, to the point that now I actually don't have lots of resources left upon reaching Industrial.>>2487177Ah the good old days where I didn't knew how to edit values on notepads so grinding for card levels meant that europeans always, without fail, would make nothing but Horse Artillery cannons by late game.Oddly enough I don't think I ever saw the AI make them anymore on DE, so I guess the devs tweaked that from that start.
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>>2468073I wasn't much into history, especially not this general period of shitty guns and silly hats, but somehow this game got me into it and put things in a different perspective. Looks like major conflicts, exotic expeditions and political hotspots attracted all sorts of colorful characters eager to get in on the action.
DLSS 5 modhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v17Xg_a_d2s
Looks like the campaigns had some changes done to them as well. I wonder if this means that we might get future expansions with new campaigns because I've been wanting a Napoleonic campaign for a while. On the other hand they might fuck it up like how they removed Crazy Horse from the Shadow campaign because the consultant they picked to make the writing more "authentic" had an axe to grind.
>never bothered with playing competitive in any RTS>spent most of my time skirmishing multiple ais and observing random ranked games>the update broke the lobby list so badly that no ranked games exist and observer mode make every lobby disappear>finnagling with the settings to watch a game reveal that observer mode is even more broken than before, with some actual human players being renamed "player #" instead of their name and others being fine>failing to observe a game and then trying to do a solo skirmish right after put me in observer spot and end the gameAt least we got the promised poles and danes as well as a slew of explorer skins since they shut down the monthly challenge system
>>2488206Yeah, you probably shouldn't worry, the chance for new campaigns is close to zero, certainly not for an existing civ. More likely they'll add some new modes and historical maps/battles like usual.And Crazy Horse is a registered trademark that the devs didn't get permission to use for the original game. Then they just didn't bother obtaining it for the DE, probably because they knew it would be even more pain in the ass.
>>2488963>devs didn't get permission to use for the original gameExcept they did use Crazy Horse on the last level of the Shadow campaign as a playable character, replaced by that uncle dude on the remaster, he just wasn't the overall 'leader' of the whole civ, that goes for Chief Gall instead, BUT Crazy Horse is still on the game, he is right there on the Editor, they actually touched up his model and everything, you can actually use him on whatever the hell you want with no modding.
Huh, found another bug, possibly, the Iroquois TEAM 2 Healers cards apparently 'soft activates' it's healers to be able to gather resources, but it only shows the prompt to gather berries and even then it does not gather from them, must be a oversight.
>>2455576the famous colonial power
>>2490319Yes, historylet>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curonian_colonization_of_the_Americas
>>2490355Likewisehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland
>>2490829Poland can’t into colonies
>>2490833Neither did the Ottomans and they didn't even try, but now the game has expanded to almost the entire world, so it does not matter now.Really hope they get to complete the globe, I want to play RISK once that is done.
>>2490829Thank you for proving my point and conceding. Poland belongs in AoE3 like no other omitted European nation.
>>2489761I could get the advanced arsenal with Cree CDBs while playing Independence as the chinks, pretty hilarious boost. With an update this big, bugs are to be expected.
>99 villagers at min 10Why is this allowed?
>>2491813SLAVA URINI
>>2491813Because they get raped with a good early push?Or tell me, if not, how they can actually work.
>>2491813For someone that don't dare to touch actual multiplayer, is having villagers be half of your population a common thing?
>>2491977if you are booming or/and treaty yes
>>2491977It is in AOE2 at least.
>>2491977I heard that the 99 limit is actually considered well below the optimum! When playing 1v1 hard AI I rarely go over 50 vils and 1 TC, mostly because I raid the crap out of his villagers, but if I can't or play against multiple enemies and it gets to imperial age - yeah I want all the villagers, boats, trickles and factories working non-stop to sustain the unending carnage.
So they layoffs all but confirmed the death of Age3, right? With Baltic Powers as our sendoff, what would you have done to save it?
>>2494073have Asha personally suck my cock dry
>>2494073I'll say this is more hazy, since while half of World's Edge is gone, they are not the developers of the series, just managers/middle men of the 'brand', the devs that do actual work dont belong to Microsoft, hence there is still a chance, also this is why Baltic Powers was uncancelled at all, WE knew the layoffs were coming and wanted something out to prove they can still 'do' stuff, and the game has some left over code bits that indicates the next expansion will center around the Caucasus and Middle East (meaning Persia), so time will tell.That said, I think AoE3 had more chances of survival than that new StarCraft shooter.
>>2494594>I think AoE3 had more chances of survival than that new StarCraft shooter.pure delusion, people still play Diablo IV and you think people won't play a StarCraft shooter they asked for since Ghost was cancelled? Take him to the infirmary
>>2494763>a StarCraft shooter they asked for since Ghost was cancelled?Ghost was a single player focused shooter, this is going to be a open world MP-focused shooter, chasing the Helldivers crowd. And I wouldn't mind this that much, but announcing this now and promising to release it in FOUR years? Yeah, this is not gonna work out.
>>2494594I wonder if Persia (if it actually gets added) will be grouped with the asian civs, with wonders and consulate, or they'll make a new ME culture (like in WoL) and pair it with another civ(s).>>2494990I'll give it one year before they throw the premise through the window and start doing cringe-ass crossover promos with Oversoy, Worlo and Diablo to keep it afloat.
>>2494990>Ghost was a single player focused shooter, this is going to be a open world MP-focused shootertimes change faggot, it's no longer the original xbox era where india and china were largely cut off from the internet
