SERIOUS BUSINESS edition How fares your empire, /eu5/?# News1.4 announced, the Tinto Talk is here!https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-118-introducing-1-4-miscellaneous-changes.1936658/
>>2459102cant wait for them to patch this egyptian plague every patch after releasetoo bad theres no date here
Who you playing, /vst/? Bonus for obscure shitties
>>2459139Mahajanga
Did they unfuck Japan or does it still randomly fucking implode no matter what
how did they decide how to assign natural harbor suitability?
>>2459139byzgetting cores after culture accepting egyptians feels so backwardit's some borderline 21th century secularist revisionism there's no way early modern state could establish effective control over areas with people of hostile religion
Johan won.
>>2459158So now passive assimilation cannot happen unless you accept a given culture, at which point passive assimilation cannot happen because accepted cultures are immune to assimilation. So only a cabinet action can ever cause assimilation now. Do I have that right?
>>2459139It's whatever, can't be bothered to continue, even colonized a little in western Africa since it was free, it did nothing besides the dumb vassals starting a war it can't win.
>>2459165yeah, some real catch 22 bullshit im still working through turks, i couldn't afford to unaccept them before blobbing into egypt and italy
Passive assimilation should be slow.Active assimilation should be slightly less slow and cause huge unrest and separatism.
>>2459165Accepted cultures do assimilate passively, they just get a penalty for it but you can easily overcome that with other modifiers.Like here you can see Frisian and Westphalian being assimilated into Low Franconian which is my primary culture. Firisian gets -75% from being accepted which is needed for the core in this case but the other modifiers cancel that out and more.
>>2459187Passive assimilation should be very slow, but should still happen. As it stands, they have this whole system for passive assimilation with cultural attack and defense values, then they introduced base values that disable the entire thing so that passive assimilation cannot happen anymore and it can only be actively achieved.
>have population system>pop growth works based on pop cap>pop cap is based on unchangeable and objective geographical features, deserts will never have as high a pop cap as farmlands, artic tundra will never have as high a pop cap as the mediterranean >"wtf that makes too much sense!">replace this logical system solely with how much food is available>in 3 different modifiers (cheap, food surplus, stored) which are largely identical>do this without changing the balance at all, food is still abundant everywhereshit change for no reason other than saying they've made a change, if they wanted to do this they should have addressed everywhere having infinite food permanently FIRST, and THEN implemented this systemthis will just result in arkhangelsk having the same pop growth as nanjing because both markets have cheap food, both provinces have a full surplus, and both have large storagehow the fuck are they botching the game this badly, it was 90% of the way there
I remember Venice turning all Crete Venetian in like twenty years because of Candia, did they fix the whole vassal swarm rigmarole yet?
>>2459159>Another such victory and we are undone - Paradox Sweden to Tinto
>The Egyptian Plague models the 50+ recurrent outbreaks the Mamluk Sultanate suffered between 1348 and 1517. It spawns roughly once every few years in the Nile delta, occasionally spreads into the Levant, and, crucially, runs on its own resistance track, which means Black Death survivors get no immunity. >uhhh we can't fix our game quick add an invented disease that just keeps respawning and killing egyptians
>>2459193>food is still abundant everywhereThat's no longer true. For instance in this game here>>2459189South Holland where my capital right now is under current system has excellent pop growth because it has large food storage but it doesn't actually make much food because it only has one (bad) food RGO. Meanwhile a province like North Holland also has excellent pop growth because it has large food storage but it also has excellent food production because of the 4 food RGO's. Under the new system south holland will have worse pop growth because it can no longer just build storage and get the food from north holland so that addresses one of the 3 levels of food abundance. Now it's no longer enough that the market has abundant food, each province has to have abundant food and not all provinces are capable of that especially if you want to urbanize.>this will just result in arkhangelsk having the same pop growth as nanjingArkhangelsk doesn't have good food income which is one of the 3 pillars for pop growth in the new version. Right now it's enough that you stack it full of granaries but that won't be enough in the next version.
>>2459200Didn't Civ3 habitually kill your pops if you founded a city on floodplains until you got modern medicine?
should we model the real historical reasons for the mamluk collapse, weak leadership, poor popular support, inherent structural corruption, and unmotivated soldiery?nah let's just give them all medieval covid
>>2459200>The Black Death repeatedly returned, and Egypt was affected 58 times between 1347 and 1517. The depopulation resulted in lower income from taxes, and that the irrigation system was not maintained and collapsed, resulting in less agriculture. Especially in Southern Egypt, the country side was depopulated. However, in the cities the craftsmen were given better living conditions because they were fewer, which were similar to Western Europe.>In Cairo, several quarters of the city were left depopulated, and the ruins of empty quarters of the city were described far in to the following 15th-century. In 1434, the traveller Bertrandon de la Broquière described areas in Syria as empty, and Venetian envoys in Syria in the 15th-century reported about an almost abandoned agriculture.
>>2459210kek
>>2459202If a province doesn't/can't produce much food it misses out on the "Food Surplus in Province +0.15%" bonus, yes, but it retains the "Cheap Food here +0.10%" and "Stored Food in Province +0.10%" modifiers, which under the current system of the game will ALWAYS apply. Food is cheap everywhere, because every market has an absolute surplus, and that is what determines food price, and stored food will always be full, unless you're marching an army through there and draining the food, which obviously isn't the default state at peace time. Even stationing an army there it will eventually reach full storage, through the market buying more food.
>>2459214>which under the current system of the game will ALWAYS applyWhich the new system fixes by making it so that the bonus doesn't always apply. Yes there is too much food but this addresses one of your complaints directly, no idea what you are seething about.
>>2459207Technically all those things can happen in game via complacency, poor rulers, low legitimacy, and stability.It's just they're all trivially easy things to mitigate in game so it's almost impossible for it to happen.Ideal solution would be some kind of special government type that's halfway between settled and army based and have the Mamluks start with Circassian as a primary culture. Yuan dynasty should be somewhat similarAlso on the subject of Yuan, they have to do something about mongolian getting a retarded amount of cultural strength because they have minority rule in a couple populous nations.
>>2459215>the new system fixes by making it so that the bonus doesn't always apply.No? What are you talking about? They have ADDED an additional bonus (Food Surplus in Province +0.15%) to replace the old pop-cap based "arable land" modifier.They're exacerbated the problem by adding an additional food based modifier, not "fixed" anything.
>>2459221If that's what you believe you should read the post again but it does at least explain why you are seething
>>2459223??? Is this some sort of Tinto Zersetzung tactic? The post describes it exactly as I've recounted it to you.- Population growth now comes from actual food surplus rather than hoarded stockpilesAlmost all provinces in the game naturally have a food surplus due to having food RGOs, the Arkhangelsk province in question has a fish RGO, so also has a food surplus. So it will receive the full effect of all 3 food modifiers. Cheap food (Arkhangelsk market has enough food that that the price is low), Food Surplus in province (aforementioned fish RGO), and stored food (all provinces naturally fill up to full and then sit there)>- Spare land no longer speeds population growth on its own; food surplus drives itThis is a bad change. Before Arkhangelsk inherently had less growth than Nanjing due to climate, terrain, distance from equator, etc.>- Population growth now slows near capacity, and overcrowded locations lose peopleUnrelated to what we're discussing.>- Large cities and harsh winters now sharply reduce local food production, scaled by settlement sizeOnly good change, hence why I'm not seething about this.
>>2459225I can lead the horse to the water and while I can't force it to drink I can still laugh at it.
>>2459227Shit bait, you should be ashamed. And so should I, for giving you so many (You)s.
>>2459229You should be ashamed of your reading comprehension yes
>>2459231You will never have a food deficit. You have no famines, you have no shortages, you have no blights. You are a flawed simulator twisted by bonuses and modifiers into a crude mockery of malthus’ perfection.
>>2459139Sicily, 1427. Giving my islands-only run another try after I fucked myself over with too many armories.Sicily feels like it wants to be super powerful, and I'm sure it all starts to come together around Age 3 with the upgraded roads and full sea connectivity, but it's so very hamstrung by geography and setup. You have some good money-making rgos - silk and sugar - but they all already have towns on top of them. Almost all of them are on the other side of your very mountainous island from your capital, so connectivity is shit for the first 50 years. The island is split between the Naples and Tunis nodes, but doesn't have good market access to either. You really have to scrounge around for money until the roads are built out and you get the silver mine on Sardinia>>2459233Kek
>rival Morocco>intervene in war>day 1 emergency parliament to get your free cb>go do your crazy shenanigans like invade Anatolia and take over the Rise of the Turks situation or whateverSurely this is the intended way to play
>shit on a canvas>sell it to the pope/banks for 1.21kSurely this is the intended way to play
>>2459256>take over the Rise of the Turks situationhoeh
>build a road so control goes further>"This is because people can easier travel">makes sense>build a port on the coast and then another port a tile over>"It is physically impossible for anyone to use these ports unless you send ships out to "patrol" for a few years to increase control"what the fuck is this bullshit? Is there a mod to fix this?
subsaharan africa is so dumb they get institutions and techs faster than east asia
damn trying to start a byz and the game is way diff from when i last played in december
>>2459320much better now isn't it?
>>2459320just start as trebizond and no cb the ottomans with byz ally, then blob around and reform byzway easier than bothering with the byz disaster and you still get all their stuff
>>2459323no that sounds gay but i do want to get the komnenos on the throne
>>2459210>The Black Death repeatedly returnedyeah and instead of using the black death already modeled in the game they are using some hack made up version of it because they are incapable of actually making the mamluks collapse under the games systems
>>2459329perfect is the enemy of good
>>2459336Do you cradle the balls as you're deepthroating Johan?Playable game by Christmas 2027 btw
>>2459337
>>2459336bad is also the enemy of good
>>2459323You don't even need to nocb anymore with the emergency parliament
Its insane how underbaked the personal union system is in this game. Poland just got put under one by an irrevelant silesian OLM and will now procede to die because they can't make allies or declare war since the AI will never contest the seniority.
>>2459372There isn't an element of this game that isn't under-cooked or half-baked
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>>2459400Wow look at those gains! EUV(tm) is booming!
>2459400(You)
>>2459400I mean it's not unreasonable. EUIV is the more complete experience AND runs on weaker PCs. Performance is the one thing Paradox never considered, but many who play these games are on laptops even.
>>2459412I have a 6000$ laptop and game still chugs after 1600 on 2d mode. Admittedly the GPU is dogshit for the price, but with grafix removed the game still maxed my 32 core cpu
I think we are completely fucked honestly.Looking at the steam reviews, a lot of them are a reasonable "These faggots sold me an unfinished game and it won't be finished for years of DLC", which is fair, but most of the rest of the reviews are some flavor of "MAKE IT MORE LIKE EU4 REEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE", which means instead of sticking to their vision and upgrading and finishing the game, they will most likely slowly EU4ify it with braindead retarded shit like mission trees over the course of many years and DLC.
>>2459372Seniority auto swaps to the stronger partner when monarch dies.
>>2459425mission trees are good, simulaties are all jobless autists who cant financially support paardox, which is why we got total railroadie victory
AI or ESL?
>>2459400it's getting closer and closer to eu4 tho
>>2459437Pretty standard editing error. Wrote it one way, then wrote it another way and forgot to delete the extra bit.
>>2459139uninstall.exe
>spend ages doing shit ass estate setup>game crashes when changing tabs to look at lawsGod fucking damnit, first time this game has crashed on me in 270 hours, but that completely demotivated meI guess I'll see if I'll feel like playing tomorrow, but I'm done for today
Brown updates are the norm now it's prajeet lol
>>2459437But will it be good for the merchants?
>>2459432That might be the intention, but not what happens in 1.3
For me it's England (forma splendid isolation)
>>2459487I dunno worked for me in my latest game at least.
>>2459372i once got a PU with Bohemia and they immediately took seniority from me
>>2459372i dunno about unions involving the player, but ai unions do change seniority sometimes, based on rank im pretty sure
what's the difference between light and heavy inf?
>>2459537the stats
>>2459537One is good the other is bad
>>2459514>>2459515>>2459534>Don't believe your lying eyes, jävel!Johann please
Is the AI capable of integrating PU'd nationsI've never seen it happen.
>>2459601I think they are technically capable off it but practically you won't see it happen. Integrating them takes a long ass time and you need to pick tons of laws for it to even be possible (most of which are actually worse than just having a pocket PU) not to mention that at least on paper 2 AI's are actually stronger than 1 AI that annexes both thanks to control. So you will never see something big like Denmark integrating Sweden or Poland integrating Lithuania even if they pick the laws because it takes 200 years to integrate, you may see pooper farten integrating shittin street though but you won't notice when that happens. Some AI's may be coded to actually push for PU annexation but I dunno, not enough data to visually confirm that ever happening. It's probably just too complex for AI to realistically plan and then handle properly.
>..something was missing that will come in 1.4:>[Content][Map] Added three new climates: Hot Semi-Arid (BSh), Cold Semi-Arid (BSk), and Subpolar.>The split between Arctic and Subpolar is something that is going to help the Andes region be more playable. I've also bookmarked your post, so we can take a look at potential improvements on the other mechanics and features you mention. Thanks again!
>>2459603NEW CLIMATESTHE GAME IS SAVED
>>2459602>>2459601Also it should be said that while large PU's are practically impossible to integrate small PU's while technically possible to be integrated will probably die before they get the chance to be integrated.In my ongoing Holland game I have had to resurrect my PU Hainaut from 1 location twice already because it keeps supporting french rebels and then France takes most of their stuff as a snack. At least I had the smarts to build a fort for them the second time so I got there in time when it was being sieged down for the third time. If I was AI my PU partner would have been gone at least twice. The fact that they don't have unified diplomacy means they are extremely vulnerable to stuff like this (which is not a bad thing btw) since the union itself takes up pretty large chunk of the junior partners diplo capacity but there's no guarantee the senior partner can or will actually help.I bet if you actually observed HRE and counted the PU's most of them would fall because of the junior partner being annexed like this or because of heir problems which I doubt the AI can fix very easily either since it takes some planning to change your inheritance law and then force the junior partner into the same law and heir immediately as well. Minority of the PU's would survive these two factors and most of those would probably be too large to annex.
>>2459425>instead of sticking to their visionwhat vision, the game was never deeper than eu4 with pops
Tintos staff aka Claude instances should be fed into a (digital) woodchipper
>>2459623>eu4 with popsThat's a pretty solid vision for a game desu
>>2459639It is what we will have in 4 years.
>>2459603semi-hot fluvial bantuerinos
Mein Stadtholder... The second bubonic plague just hit the Hague
>>2459425>slowlyThey're already manafying the game.They explicitly said they added estate actions because satisfaction wasn't being treat as a "currency".
>>2459685Estate actions are good tho, the numbers on them are just too big
>>2459686>I HECKIN LOVE CURRENCIERINOSApply for a job at Tinto then.
>>2459688Without them the only way you had to interact with the estates was either>events>granting privileges (which is something that usually you only do a couple of times per game)>parliament issuesOnly the privileges are really proactive but they're limited in use in practice. Estate actions allow for more proactive moves using your estates, they're a neat update that needs a touch of rebalancing
>>2459697Not everything needs to be a constantly changing variable. Assuming you're not granting or revoking privileges, or responding to events, it makes no sense for satisfaction to be raising or lowering.It certainly doesn't make any sense that LOWERING peasant satisfaction RAISES stability. Completely one dimensional meme mana mechanic that was supposed to have no place in EU5. Take that shit back to EU4 where you spend diplomacy points to make admirals.
>>2459701>he doesn't understand stability
>>2459703Just another currency to spend in your Ulm WC blob campaign, right?
>>2459697>they're a neat update that needs a touch of rebalancingSee I don't think there's a number rebalancing you can do on them that fixes the fundamental problem, which is that it's free mana on a poorly tracked cooldown. It's either so good you play around getting and spending that estate satisfaction on cooldown, or it's so weak you don't use it at all. If Tinto wants estate satisfaction to be tracked and spent separately than satisfaction equilibrium, they need to thread a tough needle on what benefits it gives you.
England got reverse HYW'd in my game...
>>2459697How is this bad you dumb faggot, specially in the context that they just added some random "give me free stuff" buttons.
>>2459726Why would frogs get bonged?
>>2459726That's going to be a powerful France
>>2459756Since when is France ever not powerful?
>>2459772Sometimes they get rekt in HYW, though that's highly patch specific.
eastern slavs love licking my balls
>>2459706yore brown
>>2459797ethiopia still disappears because control/terrain/climate means the whole region is completely useless...
ded game
>>2459854i haven't really paid attention, but they holding on until like 1550being surrounded by a muslim hugbox is too much, even with their defensible position
>>2459854didn't they get conquered by adal at some point irl
>>2459776They lost the HYW event and almost half of France region in my game only to come back stronger lol
Playing China sucks in this game.Why didn't they move the start date ahead like 20 fucking years so we could just start during the red turban rebellion.It'd unfuck Europe too because the Golden Horde would already be collapsing and Lithuania would already control half the Rus, Bohemia wouldn't start in a war with the Teutonic Order for no reason, the golden BVLL would be passed already, and France would already be fucked up by the early parts of the HYW so it's more balanced.EU4 M&T had it right.
>>2459889Johan please make the new start date 1357, that would be so funny
>start to go parabolic on the economy>immediately have three institutions ready to embrace>lose ~30 ducats a month in incomeMan
johan make the new start date 1262 and vibe the map
If Johan had any balls the game would start in 1092 so the first half of the game is heavily focused on medieval politics and then hard transitions into the concert of Europe and global empires post 1500
>>2459889Starting before the red turban is actually a good reason for the start date to be early, you have time to prepare either to resist it or to buff up your chosen faction.
>>2459938i cant wait to urbanize my nation by the 1200s
>>2459941But it's not right before. It's 20 years before which takes hours to get through.The whole country you set up is pointless because it collapses. The red turban rebellion doesn't even let you buff your chosen faction, as soon as Chen rebels it's all over because they have 100k+ levies and you can't raise any, so even if you go into giga debt for mercs you can't possibly oppose them, they just 10:1 your stacks. Of course you can still switch to Ming and win later, but the point is you're idling there for 20 years fucking around with a bunch of Mongols that stink up the whole region for the rest of the game, not to mention all of China being Mongolian creates a bunch of Mongol assimilation on the other side of the globe. I even had a rebel state in Iran annex some locations into Yuan because they were mongolian. Fuck the mongolians. They even mess up Europe and the Middle East with their nonsense. Delete all filthy Khalkas and Tumens and assorted Tataroids. Oirats are fine but they have to stay in their home. They can have the Yingzong emperor over for a while but he has to come home later because his mom said so.
>>2459949Imagine if Moscow to Iraq was Mongolian. We would have better music
>>2459949Nomads and Mongol countries should have some kind of law or reform that shits their culture output until some later age.
>>2459736Plantagenet pussy is irresistible >>2459756Yeah, unfortunately. I'm playing as Stavelot-Malmedy, right on the border, so I don't think this will be a long campaign
>>2459949Oh you were mad that it's too difficult? That's precisely why the game starts early, so you can prepare. Just play as one of the breakaways if you want an easier campaign, the entire point of the scenario is so you can tune your China difficulty by picking one of the easier or harder factions to play as.
>>2459990Nigger
Am I reading the naval governor correctly, it can't be overseas but can't be connected by land to my capital? So that means you could have one in Ireland as England or in the Spanish Netherlands as Spain but not in say Brazil as Portugal right? Are these even really usable if you don't intend to have weird exclaves or island holdings?
So how does looting work in this game?
>>2459998Welcome to Hapsburg Spain.
>>2460002Lol it doesn't
>>2459998put it on malta or something idk
>400k new enemies join into a war without the game notifying meCool beans, I would have really liked to know when France, England (my ally btw) and Two Sicilies joined against me. These Italian wars are pretty crazy though which I do like. An absolute thunderdrome with all the heavy hitters in constant wars over irrelevant provinces in the alps lmao.
>>2460002Active one-time looting you get 20 ducats per noble mansions or villa you occupyPassive looting by parking your army on a tile you might get 0.5ducats monthly on a rich nodeIt's really shit compared to eu4 horde play
>>2460067>he fell for it
>>2460067You are responding to a spambot, don't do it
>>2460074I'm not up to date with schizo thread personalities. Haven't really checked the thread in months
>>2460067its really inconsistent when you destroy a nobleslop and when you dont
>>2460145Naval mercenaries?
>>2460145>game released 9 months ago>devs are starting to think about how to make navies work at allnot early access btw
>>2460154shut the fuck up chud
>>2460168I'm sorry Johan, please let me purchase the idea of more DLC as penance
Ryagi is white.
>>2460154Navies do work, the issue there is specific oversight on how naval manpower and levies work when all you have is rural coasts. Imo all coastal rural locations should just come with fishing boat transport levies for the first 2 eras which would solve this issue.
it's so over
all of these sloptubers had their careers ruined by eu5
>>2460247Wtf I like Paradox now.
isnt the beta out in a month or so?
>>2460261that's a month or so too long
>>2460224I hate this nigga, but I can't deny his clickbait game is on point
>>2460247It's honestly quite funny. It's a lose-lose situation for them because even if they go back to EU4 they still get less views than they did before.
So what are we expecting?Betrothals?Character traits?Even 50-50 gender split?Fart events?
>>2460285Are they going to add diet CK3 mechanics now
>>2460012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHwRJIBRboQ
>>2460285they are going to add ck3 wholesale
>>2460224Kys nigger lover
i hope if they add traits they use ck2 iconsso much better than pozzed ck3 oneshow the fuck did they make them 6 times as big but somehow LESS intuitivegraphic design is dead and we killed it, by playing this slop
>>2459102I only play as brown nations, the point of EU series is doing reverse colonialism on euroaches
sameso far i've just played spain, italy, and byzantium
>>2460310Aragon and anything above Lazio is White THO
>>2460308raped behavior
i used to think spain were white but then i actually went to sevillethe spaniards just fucked the moor women there and now everything south of madrid is questionable
Americans thinking they are white will never not be hilarious
>3% clergyWololooo
not many moors in the appalachian mountains, ese
they completely ruined the game by having it start in 1337 just so they could say it lasted FIVE hundred years because it's europa universalis FIVEoptimal start date has always been 1453, just in time for spain, portugal, england, and holland to start colonizing, ottomans to start blobbing, russia to blob into siberia, austria to get a PU with bohemia and hungary, manchu to start wrecking ming, mughals to rule indiainstead we've not only got this shit 150 years where we have to wait for anything to happen but the game runs slow as shit, so that 150 years can take several days to slog throughand to top it all off they've just announced they're not adding the new start date until late 2027, which obviously means it won't actually be working until spring 2028
>>2460352You can fix this pretty easily by yourself, just run the game in observer for 100 years, then console fix the biggest memes and save that as your new start date.
>>2460352They made it start in 1337 so they could make a gamer joke.
special units with cap are so annoying to micromanage
They should move the start date back to 1200 so you can make more and better grossbyzantium memes instead.
they should move you to the back of the special bus
>>2460352i don't have a problem with the 1337 start date but 1453 would've been good because byzaboos would've killed themselves and that abominable moronic dlc wouldn't have been made
>>2460378>i don't have a problem with the 1337elaboratethere is NO narrative from that date, nothing is happening in the worldeven 1356 would have been better because at least you'd have the red turban rebellion
>>2460381i just don't think it's that big of an issuefor the narrative, the start of the hundred years war and the guelphs and ghibellines are there at the beginningthe bigger issue is that so many other things are half baked, including some of these situationseven though i've seen england perform somewhat better on the current patch the ai is still too stupid and too incapable of coordinating so the small countries get eaten by france while england refuses to move its army to the continent, in the guelphs and ghibellines situation countries will switch sides randomly and their opinion of the pope or the emperor or the leaders of each factions seemingly has no influence on this, the western schism is retarded, the hussite wars sucks and is stupid and makes no senseeverything about dynasties and character interactions too, a slightly distant member of your ruler's dynasty can't succeed him because ???
there are only 3 jews left in the entire world
>>2460410I'm replying to one of them
>>2460407Agreed, 1337 has a bunch of interesting things going on, the problem is that the game is so unfinished that none of them are portrayed well. The HYW was the centerpiece event at launch, England and France have the most unique content... and the AI doesn't know how to sail troops across the channel. It gets more absurd the longer you think about it, and we've had almost nine months now. Blaming the calendar for Paradox's bad video game is absurd to me.
>>2460411
>>2460410Then you aren't done yet. FINISH THE JOB.
did they not ever fix naval battles? i always get 0 war score for them
>>2460410ashkenazis aren't the only jews
>>2460440true, sephardi have ~500 pops and im too lazy to look up the rest since the ledger doesn't let you to search for culture groupsbut i found something even better
>>2460407>>2460412But my point is none of those things really matter for the overall progression of history.The things I listed in 1453 all matter and even still effect us today.Guelphs vs Ghibellines doesn't matter, which is why it isn't taught at any level academically unless you actively seek it specifically out.I guess I just thought the game would be about when Europe became universal, not when a couple of peasants flung shit at each other a century and a half before hand. EU is supposed to be about the early modern period. All that dynasties and claims shit has its place, and its place is Crusader Kings. EU is for colonizing brown people and stealing their spices.
>>2460455i'm sorry, i didn't realize you were a complete fucking retarded idiot
>>2460466Compelling counter argument. I say we make the start date 700 based on this.
Is this game good? It hass less eurocentric bias than EU4?
u know that age of enlightment and such are already a eurocentric bias
true, truethere should be a mudhuts institution that yt dogs aren't advanced enough to understand
don't worry palglobal history already debunked that thanks Jürgen Osterhammel and Joel Mokyr
for all the brownsplaining i have to listen to about "eurocentrism" playerstats show 90% of games are started in europe, 9% in east asia, and 1% africa, india, mesoamerica, and other wretched places
thing that always gets me about these supposedly "great" civilizations is how come they collapsed the second they came into contact with eurosif your nation dissolves like cotton candy in water the second a cracker shows up was it really that epic to begin with?
>>2460224ludi france black population.jpg
we need content for mesoamerica pls
they were so advanded, they had SANITATION*literally cuts peoples chests open, pulls out their heart and eats it*
tbf europeans were burning each other alive for having the slightly wrong idea about the nature of jesus at this time
>>2460506uh based alert?
>>2460510State executions of criminals is substantially morally different from human sacrifice of innocents. Also the Aztecs were killing something like .5% of the population of Mesoamerica every year. 40,000 people were sacrificed to to commemorate the great pyramid in tenochtilan in 1410 alone
>>2459990Nah it's not difficult it's basically just annoying and slow. If you pick Ming you get a bunch of giga buffs anyway. I was just saying the "buff up your chosen faction" doesn't work if your idea was to kill everyone except them. though deleting all the forts except your chosen faction's is overpowered.I'm curious how you'd even go about winning as Yuan, I didn't even consider attempting it. You simply don't have enough available bodies to kill the rebel levies, right? Trying to buy enough mercs will bankrupt you too.
idc about morality i need mesoamerican content and indoamerican too
i invoke moral error theoryand then post this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3735276532
>>2460526Yeah criminals like people saying Jesus was half god half man instead of god and man
>>2460559I assume the advance is supposed to represent the fulani jihad
>>2460561> a mouse crawled into my PSU and fried itself and tripped my breaker and damaged the graphics card. Then after I had the PSU repaired at a local shop a roach crawled into my PSU and bridged the gap between the mouse carcass stuck to the wires and fried itself and tripped the breaker, damaging the graphics card again.and he complains about performance?
>>2460567how the fuck does something like this happenalso>heit's his video so it should be "you"
>>2460567Daymn thirdies live like THIS?
>>2460567>> a mouse crawled into my PSU and fried itselfDeadmau5? Is that you?
>>2460469>>2460471>>2460473>>2460474>>2460485>>2460486>>2460489all me btw
>rebellion deletes my pest houses because the rebels didn't have the magic "pest houses enabled" modifier without which they simply cannot existGod I hate this fucking piece of shit game
this is so fucking cursed kekhe is greek culture as well
>>2460622Those are useless anyways
>>2460651Lost only 100k out of 400k to the plague, seem pretty good to me
What determines the culture/religion of the characters that show up in your court? Sometimes I conquer new land and people from that land's culture show up immediately as nobles/courtiers even though I haven't accepted or integrated anything from that land yet. Other times I conquer, integrate, and accept a certain culture and never see any of them show up as characters.
jesus i have no idea what to do to make money anymore since i last played in like 1.0.10. RGOS are like double the price now? too many sliders now with this bureaucracy shit that i cannot afford so my legitimacy is always 0. i have no crown power and cant tax my nobles cuz they are too strong or something. trade doesnt do much anymore it seems. buildings are expensive and there's no obvious way to raise control anymore aside from maybe roads but cannot afford those either. it's kind of boring doing nothing but letting time pass and then fighting wars that keep getting declared on me every time truce expires. those suck too since i always lose even with double the troops and a stack of regulars mixed in to their only levies. and the aforementioned naval battles giving me nothing when i win. i think they just added too much shit now it's confusing for a boomer like me. how do i afford anything and why are RGOS 185 ducats without inflation
>>2460681you are playing byzantium rotten to the coreyou have to deal with their bullshit first before you get a functioning countryget rid of some fortsignore bureaucracies until you start getting disposable incomepush communialism to get rid of dogshit privileges don't spam subjects, but making a subject from anatolian inlands is a good idea, you won't get good control there for a whileminmax slidershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE6r-aqxtXY
why is migration limited by market
>>2460698borrowed vic 3 mechanic
Love finding out a year afterwards when I'm about to go to war that somebody forced my ally to break relations somehow even though to my knowledge my ally wasn't at war any point nor do they have any truces that explain it
>>2460693i cant revoke privileges since you need 95 legitimacy and it's always at 0 due to shit modifiers. my sliders are all at 0 and i make a few ducats a month but its just slow. im slowly eating anatolia but goddamn did some of the beyliks get big. serbia got big too. and naples and sicily like to be annoying as well. it just feels like im idling for years while waiting for a couple of bucks to built a single RGO that does nothing
>>2460700hegemonies can't be allies
>>2460661I think they are based on either the provinces or the pops, I suspect provinces. They are simulated to be "born" somewhere and take on the culture and religion of the source. >Sometimes I conquer new land and people from that land's culture show up immediately as nobles/courtiers even though I haven't accepted or integrated anything from that land yet.This can happen for variety of reasons but courtiers flee from dying realms. Annexing a country or society of pops can give you some of their characters.>>2460698Performance and historical reasons. Almost no one migrated very far during this period, realistically only from nearby countryside to the nearest cities. Market based migration offers good enough flexibility without being too restrictive. >>2460681Post financial screen it will reveal your mistake instantly.
>>2460708
>>2460706Neither of us were hegemonies
>>2460708>historical reasonsif this game cared about history and realism half the mechanics would be completely different and we wouldnt be turning nations into thriving metropolises by the 1500s
>>2460700maybe their ally forced them to break alliance with favors
>>2460709Well you did kinda leave out most of your expenses but you are presumably paying for stability and buildings which are consuming most of your cash. Your income to expenses ratio is alright considering the seeming disaster you are in, you could look into your expenses a bit and see if there's anything you don't really need. Some buildings are kinda worthless but cost a lot. You need to either use your navy or disband it (sans one ship). Patrolling the Aegean with it will increase your control all over your coastal territories so I would recommend doing that instead of letting it sit in the ports. You need to get legitimacy off the ground as well and for that you need to be able to spend more. I suppose you are at 0 for a reason but when you do start make sure to get an advisor working on it too. You should look into your income more, all of your taxes are really low and nobles and burghers in particular have lots more room to tax. See if you can get a privilege that lets you tax them more. Building anything is pointless when your tax % hovers around 0, you won't get anything out of it anyways so don't bother spending your gold on developing. You should however make a subject or two out of your lowest control lands, your tax base is only 75 while your wealth is 230 so your average control is going to be pretty low. Vassals will pay more than you lose in income, raise your average control and lower your economic base so cost of court will be cheaper.You shouldn't really be in danger, get yourself an ally or improve relations with biggest concerns and then disband your professional troops if you need more money or leave one unit so you can have your ruler take command, similarly you should put another crown character in charge of your navy, that will boost your crown power and give you more max tax on estates and trade income as well. Deal with the disaster before expanding further.
>>2460708>Almost no one migrated very far during this period, realistically only from nearby countryside to the nearest cities.Except when you build a foreign building. Then they teleport 3000 miles the day it completes. But only if there aren't already other people like them there. Then you can't build it.
>>2460717True but you can't simultaneously whine about megalopolises and then whine there aren't enough megalopolises it's an inconsistent position to take. >>2460721You got blown out on that one already. They move there during the construction time.>But only if there aren't already other people like them there. Then you can't build it.You build a colony in that case.
>>2460723There's no need to defend colonizing/foreign building/slave movement/bank culture nonsense, not even johan defends that shit and openly says it's a workaround to stop the pop system from breaking
>>2460726Yes but the problem isn't "pops teleporting". The pops blatantly just don't teleport.
>>2460721>Get told that almost no one migrated very far during this period>"B-but sometimes some people do!"Wow anon, that's so insightful. Simply no possible way both of those statements can be true simultaneously, right? Hey how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>2460728Foreign buildings aren't really migrants either, they go there for a job and don't "live" there. On the aggregate a building may be occupied for 100 years but the crews rotate and change in these sort of mercantile or diplomatic operations.
>>2460728Why are you so mad about this lol, nobody likes how colonies and migration work mang they set aside a whole year and a half delay just to unfuck it in a big update, literally more time than the entire tinto talks ran for, shit is fundamentally broken and the brokenness is apparent in like a dozen different low-level mechanics that are all related, like food and prices
>>2460731>claims pops teleport to foreign buildings>gets blown out>b-b-but everyone hates colonizationWow anon, that's so insightful.
>>2460731>Why are you so mad about this lolYou are overestimating how much anyone cares about you, and underestimating how many people there are in this thread making fun of you
>>2460736>You are overestimating how much anyone cares about you,bruhhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vst/search/text/%22blown%20out%22/in case this isnt a samefag just know this man has been dedicated to this same weird act for nearly a year now at least, he cares VERY much. He just defends any random thing and insists there's no problems, I think it's recreational arguing or something idk
>>2460737Not that guy but if you didn't want to be blown out you really should stop being retarded
>>2460737just making yourself look schizo now, champ
>>2460737It's ryagi. Seriously, the fag who has never played the game but always shits up the thread must be him
Since they removed the tribal prosperity privilege is there really any reason to keep these guys around except maybe the estate itself which gives 5% food or something at max happiness? I'm not missing some good trick with these guys am I?I guess the native policies themselves are alright in their balance if you consider from perspective of colonizer that doesn't intend to interact with the colonies too much. Integration gives you peasants which are better than slaves or tribes and humanism, but no estate. Subjugation gives you slaves which are still good and could be shipped out and serfdom, but makes keeping the estate harder. Trade gives nothing but the colonization efficiency is good cost saving if you colonize a lot and the estate is alright bonus I suppose as well. I think for this game I will just go with Trade, establish a few trading posts and try to keep the estate alive. Then in another game with Spain or something do a proper colonization and slavery game and see how that works out.
>>2460778tribals give free manpower that scales off yor manpower income. dhimmi gives free stability. always worth having them jst for that, honestly. better than 20% satisfaction hit on peasants. thanks to estate interaction mana its always better to have more estates which yo don't tax anyways
>>2460783I suppose the manpower is also pretty good, I never find myself losing enough to really need it past age 3 though but panic button is still handy.
>>2460723Just loaded up the thread and haven't even read the context of any of these posts yet, but while scrolling up I saw the phrase "You got blown out on that one already." and have to say, this is an extremely faggot way of posting, and almost universally said by people who are wrong. I will now read the context of these posts and defend whatever it is the other guy was arguing solely because of your retarded way of posting.
I absolutely love the addition of time-sensitive unique content, it really makes every playthrough even with the same country unique.You'll never know what you'll miss this time, haha.
>>2460812>this is an extremely faggot way of postingHe got addressed normally when he brought it up the first time, you don't get the benefit of the doubt when you make the same idiotic claim the second time. That's just the way it is.
I'm 360 pounds and ordered McDonald's
>>2460812Congratulations you have discovered the paradox shikl
>>2460812meds
i just realized that ai can still retreat from naval battles after a single day, they only fixed it for the player this shit is dumb
Haven't played since February. Is it fun yet? What about trade?
do manpower losses map 1:1 to pop losses?
>>2460902Yes
>>2459193>shit change for no reason other than saying they've made a change, if they wanted to do this they should have addressed everywhere having infinite food permanently FIRST, and THEN implemented this systemThis already happens herehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3761938484Sublime mod, removes the pop cap, and replaces it with food, without the bloat of Prosper or Perish. Only mod where I actively was autistic about securing food supplies, dreading famines and failed harvests, and planning my wars around the harvesting season.
i got 70% warscore on day 1 for controlling my own territory?
>>2460974all the bank buildings
>>2460978that's retarded and they keep spamming piecemeal levies in egypt
>>2460970Buy an ad.What's it like playing a game where food actually matters? I figure it would quickly become too frustrating to make the realism worthwhile.
>>2460902im not sure if there are similar rules for stackwipes like in eu4 where if you get overran and die too fast then you get some manpower refunded
do soldier pops die of old age
with buildings and rgos do you need to click bigger green number = gooder or is there like a strategy to that?
>>2461107Just bigger number = gooder. Though you should be dividing your profit with the construction cost if you want to be specific. It should also be noted that normal buildings sort of cannibalize each other so if you have a building that says +0.10 but then you build it it will push down the price of that good so it will be worse in practice, meanwhile it will boost up the demand for it's dependencies so those may become more profitable. Even small swings in the price can make the entire building unprofitable. RGO's don't share that because they don't have input costs so they will always generate free money, cheap RGO's also improve the profit margin of your existing buildings so in practice RGO's are better than they look and buildings are worse than they look.
>>2461112oh okay, thanks anon. any downside to automating it? im not really into cookie clickers
>>2461115Well you just lose some money on AI building bad stuff so it's not all that important, just have enough reserve money so you can do the strategically important buys when you need. But conceptually if you don't like the building in this game you probably should just play something else.
>>2460891Answer niggers
>>2461136It's fixed. Automation meta won. Spam highest tax based RGO everywhere. Heavy Cavalry I-III Ages, Infantry, Cannons Ages IV-VI, Light Cavalry if you are in Balkans / SteppesColonialism is still a meme
>Fickle>maximum tax -1%>government reform remove cost -10% (meaning it costs 18 stab instead of 20)What an absolutely retarded trait
Surely this thing is lying to me
>>2461227You just have a good CB
what are like the good quality vanilla+ mods at this point?formables and then unique techs and featuresor do i have to hunt down 100 very specific mods and troubleshoot them if they work?
>>2459193it's still affected by pop cap too they saidthe more people live in the location the slower it will grow at some pointinstead of just having people migrate they just slow down
>>2461257https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3678585677
what's the point of free subjects? surely nobility satisfaction, rgo output and building maintenance outweigh peasant satisfaction serfdom reforms seem much better too
>>2461265>he doesn’t roleplayNGMi
>>2461265It's just kinda shit. On a technical level it does allow you to squeeze out more taxes out of your pops since peasants are easier to tax and in general enfranchisement privileges are good. It's just that that theoretical edge pales in comparison to the actual edge of just taxing nobles and keeping enfranchisement down and peasant taxes low for happiness bonuses, even without the building upkeep bonus and the raw materials bonus. Free subjects has lot of "collateral damage" coming in from privileges and policies that you would otherwise want so so it's more of a "how do I avoid this while taking all the good bits" type of value. Like the other guy says I would just mostly larp with it. The pop promotion speed is a good modifier and like I said you can get good taxes out of the whole thing so it's not like it hurts you, it's just noticeably worse than serf maxing.
>>2461272what if i want to roleplay a prison of peoples
Got a new PC last year after only having a shit over a decade old one one that could only play older titles.Never realized how shit playing a game in active development is.Playing Vicky2, CK2, etc, the way you play the game never changes. Stuff that works works, stuff that doesn't doesn't, and as a result you can roleplay around it.Now with the meta changing every patch it feels like I'm not playing a comfy country sim but a boardgame I have to know the meta of.As an example, see: >>2461148, they're changing this in the next version so heavy cav is no longer OP and combined arms becomes the new meta. I hate having to keep up with patch notes like this. I have no idea why people actively enjoy the entire way you play the game changing every couple of weeks.Thank you for reading my blog.
>>2461321k
Nobody expects the Hussite HRE AI.
imagine unironically being frenchdouble cringe if quebec
>>2461350What fucking country even is that?
>>2461350>de les
>>2461352I have never once been french in my lifeNot racist, just wasn't born thereSimple as
>>2461352Point on the map where the french have touched you
>>2461358
>>2461261slop
>>2461353Netherlands pretty obviously.
>>2461362How do you get Netherlands from de las Pas Bas?
>>2461365>nazi propaganda of frenchNostradamus levels of prophecy.
>>2461350i do actually bohemia+france raped the rest of hre in my game too
>>2461366Literal translation of low-countries, it's the same reason why English call it nether-lands
im still mad england was named after the angles instead of the saxons desu
>>2461372>Literal translation of low-countriesShut the fuck up bougnoule even google translate gets it right.
>>2461376??? I'm not French and I have no idea what you are even trying to say now. Google translate accurately translates that as Netherlands and the worlds independently as country and low. No idea what you are seething about.
Niggerlands
>>2461378The translation is wrong and hurts my feeling that's all. I'd rather you play in english
>>2461361brown
>>2461393yeah you are LOL
>>2461395brown
>>2461107>Playing like a retard/already on a major nationJust click bigger number gooder, maybe take some time to secure rgos and trade to dump your overproduction on other nations>playing a merchant republicBuild high price, low weight goods like jewelry and fine cloth. Focus on spices, gems, and other raw goods with .5 weight. Burger trades will keep you supplied with raw materials whilst your own trade capacity dumps your cheap luxuries on other markets at profit>actually playing the game/industrial revolution by 1600Focus on production chains that create the maximum amount of burghers, and therefore demand, per level. Cloth->fine cloth is good, cloth->paper->books is better. Devmax in your cities to drive up pop demand further, switch over to capital economy, and watch the virtuous cycle feed itself. The end goods might not be very profitable, but they drive so much demand for things like tools and cloth that it doesn't matter any more>>2461076
Johan needs to abandon the game and let the modders actually fix it like they did imperator. The longer the devs keep fucking up the game with every patch, the longer it will take for the game to ever get good because the devs sure as fuck won't do it.
>>2461424Post your hours played in that game and the list of mods that fix it according to you.
is there a way to fix toy soldiers? they visually show the wrong direction of the movement all the time i tried turning on single 3d unit option, but it didn't help
>>2461446they should switch back to nato sprites like hoi3
>Fight war against Castile and its allies>Win>Now have truce with Castile and allies>Soon after, start war against Italian minor>Italian minor is allies with one of the Castile allies from the previous war>As a result, Castile and all its other allies are going to be in this war, marked as co-belligerents>I cannot unmark them as co-belligerents>As a result, I will take stability and aggression hit for "breaking truce"What the fuck is this shit? I'm not the one breaking the truce, I don't want you shits in my war. So what's the point of truces then if these countries can just keep declaring on you despite having a truce?
>>2461459>anon discovers that alliances exist to protect from the threat of warEvery king knows that these countries are allied and that an attack upon one is an attack upon all. You think you get to just say "nuh uh" and ignore it?Just move one step down the chain and declare on one the Italian minor's allies
>>2461463This isn't how it worked in EU4. Also, if I attack an ally of the Italian minor, that ally will be allies with one of Castile's, leading to the same result. There are way too many alliances tangling Europe up and making any war, even a war for a small minor's land, an early WWI.
>>2461471>This isn't how it worked in EU4Yes it was, you said it yourself that you have a truce with Castile and it's allies>be at war against A and it's ally B>peace out A and B>truces applies to A and B>wants to attack B alone>surprised it will also bring it's A ally. Is this going to be the new spam? Am I being the retard for answering to another "how does loot work"?
allies in eu4 werent auto co belligerent so it wouldnt result in castile being brought into the war nor would it mean a penalty for breaking truce since you could declare wars on nations to bypass truces in eu4
for me it's eu3 divine wind every declaration of war was the july crisis
Haven't played since release. How do I blob now that spamming vassals isn't ebin?
Even with mods Castile still eats her neighours
never ending 18th century plague decimated a third of europe for some reason
>>2461606>Halychian Hungaryhoeh
>>2461606God's punishment on the Greeks for their hubris
>>2461593>Everyone has access to Dominions as a subject type right now (bravo Johan), which are automatically set as your primary culture without taking your once-a-decade charge. Release as a fiefdom and improve opinion, then wait a bit.>You can give vassals to your vassals so they use their diplo cap instead of your own.>Cultures inside your culture group can be extremely cheap to accept instead of converting, especially if you make them improve their opinion of your culture
my 2 early wars with byz went well, and managed to nab constantinople. I thought there was an event where I became an empire but I dunno whatever.serb light cav is pretty good ay? time to prep for the inevitable turkish invasion
>>2461606Imagine playing as shitantrannies
>>2461641Can't you just check your events from the country info?
>>2461641probably need to own macedonia region but it should pop the moment you conquer constantinople
>>2461459You are probably just in the Italian wars and attacking a league member or something. That's not how it works normally.
holy dead gaem
>>2461807This is more proof that EU4 plebs don't like history simulators and only care about painting maps.
>The protestant league is lead and sponsored by the bank of Beren(((berg)))
>>2461877Why does eu4 live rent free in your head?
>>2461891Mana derangement syndrome. He doesn't like having to understand many different mechanics. It was so much easier when you just spent birds for everything.
>>2461902Eu5 doesn't have many different mechanics.It has many different flavors of tedium.
>>2461880>sperkiev every game>historybrown
>>2461941meant for >>2461877aka ryagi
>>2461941>>2461943Dw, you were right regardless
>>2461953honestly historical if lithuanians don't stab rus in the back
>>2461877>only care about painting maps.yes that is the point of europa universalisand victoriaand crusader kingsand imperatorand stellarisand march of the eaglesand hearts of iron
>the point of victoria is painting mapshahahahathe manatards levels of delusion are beyond belief
>>2461956Hence why East vs West would have been the greatest gsg>decision to kill multiplayerand why Johan *spits* killed it
why does naval get extra governors and land doesnt? if anything land needs them more. also why is there even a distinction between naval and local governors
>>2461957why do you play vicky if not to form your map
>had to give peasants free mobility to fix depopulation after the second plague simulation is neatdoes migration get affected by culture? i probably should have given this privilege earlierif minorities migrate to core territories, they would get assimilated passively and it would make those minority territories easier to culture convert
>>2462018>build industry>cuck other GPs>genocide
>>2462026Saw a post here months ago that said minorities are disproportionately weighted to migration, that is to say they fuck off from locations at a higher rate than primary/accepted cultures.But this was months ago, so it might never have been true, or it was true then but then got patched, or I could be misremembering it.Glad I could help.
Am I the only one who thinks the economy is like 10x more complicated than it needs to be? And I'm not talking about complicated in a good way, but the sheer amount of wasteful calculations determining if some individual minority demographic on the other side of europe has enough of a specific resource down to the decimal place, out of hundreds of demographic groups. The systems aren't even that complex in isolation, you could reduce the ammount of goods by half, and greatly simplify the building production calculations and it would have exactly the same level of strategic depth.
>>2462086granularity is good i think trade is unmanageable you build marketplaces and it's supposed to make money and everything more efficient, but the complexity and volatility of everything makes manual long range trades impossibleso you end up just turning on trade automation and pray
>>2462086Don't know whether there are or aren't too many goods, but currently supply and demand is broken on a lot of goods, making them worthless.Nothing and nobody demands pottery, beer, liquor, naval supplies, or tar, so it is never worth building them. I fully support going for the vicky 2 meme and making all pops demand huge amounts of liquor.>>2462088Burgher trades ruin the game. Remove them and marketplaces would actually matter. As it stands every market will have everything it needs at all times due to proto-amazon.
>>2462088>>2462100Trade tbqh depends really heavily on where you are. Western Europe, Med, and Northern India it's not very good, because the node density is high, everyone else has a lot of trade buildings, and price differentials are minimal. The further you get from that core and the more rare goods/fucked up local resource situations you have, the better it it becomes.Burgher trades are the secret sauce that makes the whole system run smoothly because they mostly handle the trades in goods like clay or wood that can have huge supply discrepancie but would never be profitable. Probably need fewer of them thoughbeit
>>2462100>Burgher trades ruin the game.truer words were never spoken
>>2462119>like clay or wood that can have huge supply discrepancie but would never be profitableif importing a good essential for industry is not profitable or at the very least not shunted off to handwaving the system is not working as intended
>>2461877>only care about painting maps.Like you do in eu5?
>>2462122Importing clay and sand in particular should never be profitable. Neither should stone or wood though at least wood has the excuse that there's no separation for what you might consider wood and naval lumber (which is very much worth importing), stone is already split into stone and marble (and I guess sand). This isn't vicky. If you don't have enough clay to make masonry and pottery in your local area that doesn't mean you import clay, it means you live without masonry and import your pottery. These basic goods really should have even lower max prices than what they do now, or perhaps higher transport weight.
>>2462149>If you don't have enough clay to make masonry and pottery in your local area that doesn't mean you import clay, it means you live without masonry and import your potteryyou have never played the game
>>2462151It's not like that in game because you can just import clay, I'm saying it should be like that because importing clay just wasn't a thing people did.
>>2462041you do all that by mapping
>>2461955I tire of this Lithuania slander. The Lithuanians adopted so much of the Rus they were like the Kievan equivalent of an early chinese conquest dynasty. The Lithuanian takeover WAS the revival of the Kievan Rus. When the Lithuanians absorbed the Rus, the Rus extended itself into Lithuania, and gained strength and independence. The weird keev blob that appears in all games since launch is just plain ignorance of history, combined with modern nationalist cheerleading in the tinto maps that created an ahistorically powerful setup in the region.
>>2462100>Burgher trades ruin the game.mercantilist truthnvke
>>2459120They will adamantly refuse to accept that it's ok to make a disaster unsurvivable but then give players a lighter version of the disaster than can be overcome
>>2461983Naval can go on islands, they're separate because local governors can only be built on land connected by roads>isnt that hecking unbalancerinoNo not really because the island restriction makes them pretty mid
Dead gameDead thread
>>2461983I do like the idea of separate naval and land governors but surely you should still get just 1 naval if you are land focusedalso the autobuild really shouldn't touch governors, it should be a popup thing when you have a spare governor slot
>>2461983There just shouldn't be governors at all. you extend control by spreading infrastructure and maritime presence. If you can't reach then you use this thing called a "subject" that governs the land in your place. Governors are one of those feedback driven wrenches they threw in the game design without thinking.
>>2462221I think governors aren't bad idea conceptually but they are just extremely gamey with the way they are implemented right now. Very mana esque thanks to being basically just base values and no advantage for being large and wealthy or tech advanced empire. I would prefer them if they were unlimited but softcapped instead. For instance -10% proximity efficiency per placed governor. That one would leave them open for the "make everything a city and put a governor on every tile" strat though so maybe -5 proximity from governors per governor placed or lower the innitial governor bonus to something like 50 so cap is still stronger for a long time. You could even combine both or add some grace like 2 without penalties and then penalties from ones after that with tech improving that. Or even changing governors to be +50 proximity to what ever proximity actually reaches the location (with the -10% global proximity efficiency penalty and no effect if 0 proximity) so eventually governors kill themselves if you spam them.
>>2462249Ultimately I feel the best way to model a "local governor" is to just have another tag. that way there is literally a governor, a ruler that governs the place for you, with his own court and so on, which is the price you pay for having that territory under decent controlProblem is that 1. subjects were already bad 2. they were nerfed into the ground because of whackamole dev philosophy, wanting to stop the "overpowered" fiefdom spam, so they had to make another solution which is more overpowered
>>2462251Subjects are the intended gameplay and I agree. I just think that people inherently dislike subjects, at least with the way they are currently implemented, because this is a video game and people want to pain the map. If subjects were really to be the way you are to govern an empire then there needs to be at least one or preferable 2 more levels of a more integrated subject between current vassals/fiefs and current cores. Like I dunno sub state and then administrative region or something. Something like Scotland/Wales stopped being proper subjects a long time before they became proper English cores (you could really argue that Scotland in particular is still not a core region of UK).
>>2462200going naval already reduces proximity through water, which is already much better than through land, getting controll on italy is much easier than on an equivalent but landlocked territory even without extra governors>>2462219I think theres a naval governor in the tech tree now, also I dont understand autobuild I set my granaries to auto expand and they never do
>Both of my main allies become Hegemons so I lose the alliances>France goes hon hon hon what is dis and declares war Unluckily for them I was just going for defensive to proc and event so They just sat on my forts loosing 100k to attrition and the white peacing out lmao
>Granary towns -0.5 migration is a flat modifier instead of -50% which means it completely stops migrationAnother #elparadoxo nice one. I guess Ill have to revoke a granary town to move pops around now.
>>2462347johan is spiritually brown
>>2462347do any of them know what they're doing at all
>>2462411I'm amazed they got 1.0 to look even remotely presentable, because it's been straight downhill since then.
>>2462411I can sort of understand few of these slipping in, there's just a a huge hodgepodge of various styles of modifiers. -0.5 could mean anything from -50% to -500 to -0.5 to +0.5 depending on the modifier it's pointing at. Like here it's -500 pops a month I think but it could be -50% or -0.5 pretty easily and some modifiers have an inherent "-" so -0.5 turns into 0.5. That being said there's way too many mistakes like this, it's not just couple slipping past the cracks. It doesn't help that the modifiers aren't consistent at the engine level for some reason.Like the content coder had the correct idea, -50% migration is a suitable modifier for a granary town. It's just that -0.5 didn't do what he probably thought it would and it wasn't tested.
>>2462432>it wasn't testedi'm not sure if they play the game at all outside of johan's gay mp sessions
how can a game released not even a year ago have such incomprehensible spaghetti code? usually the situation where noone knows how these sorts of modifiers work is if you ship of theseus'd the staff over like a decade. does paradox not pay their staff anything because I cant imagine that they dont get good applicants especially in the current economy.
The reason EU5 is getting worse is because they've started implementing AI in their coding.That's also the reason the foundation of the game and 1.0 was released so well, because AI literally didn't exist when EU5 went into development.
>About to win the Italian wars>OPM that's in a coalition against Milan joins the league without my consent>This automatically kicks Milan from the league>Expel OPM and try to reinvite Milan>"Join league action is on cooldown">Lose the situation because this put me under the 200 locations thresholdAbsolute DOGSHIT
>>2462438Not sure about this one. The problems seem more design related rather than specific programming issues. Of course it could be that they're using Al to design the game now as well. With Johan you never know...
are epidemics scripted to spawn in the most populous countries or something? 3rd bullshit in 30 years
>>2462546BASED
It's the third time I am marrying that old hag to some unlucky nobleman, you know which one.
>>2462561AND ANOTHER ONE What the fuck is wrong with this game.
>>2462411Shit like this tells me either they don't have an IDE to tell them basic shit about what their modifiers are or how to format them, or they're using AI that doesn't understand it, or both at once
AI would understand the modifiers though
>>2462438Johan is clearly using claude or some llm to vibecode. There is zero logical reason for random updates to break shit like naval warfare unless it's from an AI moving decimals or some shit.My theory is still only Johan and ryagi work at Tinto. We have still never seen anyone PLAYING the game from the studio. I once again ask for a single stream of Johan playing eu5
>>2462432Why the fuck would a city being a major hub for food cause immigration to collapse? Lol
>>2462625I'm an amateur with very meager programming knowledge, and when I make changes to this hobby project I have to write script to work with, I often create really dumb errors because I mistyped something or arranged something the wrong way (operators, logic, whatever)This is because 1. lack of experience and 2. not using an IDE.I have a hunch that internally, tinto has no IDE features working for paradoxscript, so their script monkeys ("content designers", i.e. not hired for actual programming knowledge, and compensated as such) can make dumb mistakes like adding -500% efficiency to something, and there's no automated thing that highlights it saying "look what you've done, you fool, you retard"And then in the mess of agile development, Jira usage, and outsourced QA, these things get pushed to main and end up in playable builds
>>2462635Explain how a random event modifier gets changed without it being all changed by AI randomly. Or how things which worked now suddenly don't work (unifying the HRE 1.2>1.3)There is no reason any human person would be changing shit thousands of lines deep or niche code and then releasing it
>>2462637Well I was thinking of this >>2462347 in particular, urban rights were being modified in the beta all the time so there's ample opportunity for a human to fuck it up.It could also be AI but there's no reason it has to be.I find it more believable a human made an error due to a skill issue. There's a math error in AI marriage code that's been there since launch unfixed, with a human written comment right next to it indicating the intended functionality, which does not work
>>2462638Ok but this happens between hot fixes. Which logically they shouldn't touch a single thing outside the scope of said update. Like I said, crashing when unifying the HRE did not exist before 1.3. so why did it crash in 1.3? Because some random parameters were fucked. No human is going and changing those params between hot fixes. It's because an AI Johan uses misplaces a decimal or a modifier. Occams razor my lad
>>2462639>logically>implying logic was ever in the room with usbut really that can be bad version control too. If you cherrypick some commits from the branch "fix-hre-please-work-copy-final-copy" and it accidentally includes johan's personal test changes to dontCrashTheGame.cpp then you have a regression
It took until 1.3.9 to fix the HRE unification crash which was introduced in 1.3. despite spamming the Tinto "team" (ryagi and Johan) about it
>>2462640And what human is going and changing irrelevant code and causing actual code to stop functioning? It's clear there is no code management or any type of governor. There has been about three dozen game breaking bugs introduced since 1.0.7 and here, not least is dynasty bullshit from copy pasted mechanics.
>>2462641tinto dev be like>we listen, and we hear your feedback. This is slated for a fix in 1.7 which should be out 3 years from now
I'm not posting this to destroy paradox. Ck1 is one of my first disc games, next to a bootleg of oblivion in Russian. I just know this shit doesn't happen if a human reviews code on the most basic level
There has been dozens of undocumented changes in modifiers which is why eu5 is fucked. You get used to it in game, but the ""simulation"" is dogshit. A talented team made what is eu5 1.0, and everything else has been vibecoded dogshit. Prove me wrong
>>2462642>It's clear there is no code management or any type of governor. I'm pretty sure that's Johan but that job is so vast it normally has its own person or even a whole department doing it, whereas afaik tinto is <30 employees including non-dev staff, so he's basically acting as an executive, producer, project owner, game director, lead designer, senior release manager, senior developer, and probably QA all at once
>>2462647Lol so Johan being a retard who doesn't review pushes is OK? I'm sorry but are you fucking serious? Especially for bugs like 1.1 navies just not working, or 1.2 when parliament didn't work?
And take into account in 1.3 navies still don't work, it's just instawipes v galleys
>>2462649No its not ok. I'm organizing a rebel faction to march on Tinto but Spain already fought rebels recently so they have local unrest reduction modifiers, we have to wait longer for the uprising now.
Anyone here tried the M&T alpha builds?
The game is in a piss poor state, it needs modders to fix it. But still colonizing and exploring is shit.
I'm the most racist man on earth and Africans having matchlock levies in 1500 is a crime against humanity >Bbbut No fuck off
The zulu tribes were using spears into 1900. Kill Johan and rape him
>>2462654More of a problem with the tech tree being the same for the entire world (except indian natives somehow)
>>2462656Yeah Indians have 300k+ men with muskets in 1500
>>2462656Problem with a tech tree in general. The game is all in on simulation but when it comes time to decide how ideas and inventions spread around it's still Civilization. Ironworking is locked behind feudalism, enough said.
>>2462662Africans having matchlock levies and played mail knights is historical, chud
It's amazing how Johan has blinded ppl
>>2462654Based
>>2462670Truke
Brown (people) didn't have firearms until 1800.
>>2462662how is the game all in on simulation when urbanising halves RGO capacity for no apparent reason other than balancing
>>2462676Actually the devs Listened To Your Feedback and cities no longer have an RGO penalty.It made the game worse though because the meta is now to build a 40k hive world with megalopolises on every location.
>>2462553>anon discovers how epidemic works
>>2462678Browns having 5000k matchlock levies is historical chud
>>2462678i mean you can justify urbanising a location with an RGO (though the RGO is like a big state run farm sending food to the supermarket, i mean granaries) requiring fields would reduce available farmland but how does building a town near an iron mine reduce the capacity of the mine?
>>2462701It shouldn't of course, it should just mean there's a city full of people doing stuff that isn't mining iron, and that uses up precious pops that could've been processing iron. But pops aren't precious because one peasant feeds 8-10 laborers and the well of peasants is bottomless so the best strat is to build a decked out city everywhere and max all RGOs and buildings.
>dev diary is late again
>>2462715theyre scrambling for claude tokens
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-119-politics-diplomacy-update-1-4-preview.1937528/>nobody is posting itmanachads won
>>2462726Simulationbros.. not like this..looks fine to me desu, I think this is one of the things where mana is just a necessary evil in terms of game design
>>2462726spending legitimacy on shit like urban rights is retarded, so I'll take it
>>2462726>Mana is back on the menu boys!Billions must spend magic bird currency.
>>2462726Damn, you're not even exaggerating, that LITERALLY is mana.Well, mana was great game design in EU4 so maybe this can work if they incorporate it right and make it not do silly shit.It seems fine so far though I don't know why generating new courtiers costs that, it should just be money like eu4The fact that it gives BASE crown power instead of crown power might mean it's actually decent to save up... nah who am I kidding the crown power meta is over
>>2462726desu it looks like they just moved everything that used to spend legitimacy to a separate mana?
>>2462726finally I can actively discriminate against g*rmans
>We lowered the base annexation cost from 200 to 50.also>missions deboonked
>discrimination increases assimilation seems counterinuitive
>>2462744johan is secretly based
>>2462744Has to be like that mechanically because accepting reduces assimilation. If it was the other way there would be no reason to ever discriminate.
>>2462751now there's no reason to ever accept
>>2462756uhhh instant full cores?
>>2462756Cores and happiness boost are pretty big reasons to accept.
>>2462743>implementation of a certain content feature makign a return from past EU games...>not missionsPlace your betsI'd say National Ideas, somehow
>>2462762goi4 style national focuses, but randomly generated slop instead of preset things (until you buy the DLC for each nation)
I'm feeling rugpulled
MEIOU and taxes will fix it, I trust. They'll take the great foundation and clean it up of all the gamey trash and garbage mana shit and make it amazing.
>>2462770>>2462763>>2462762lol itll be two years for ""ambitions"" btw
>janny is in the thread
tinto is a failed studio.
>>2462768>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-119-politics-diplomacy-update-1-4-preview.1937528/No why this is real you're lyi->Political Influence is a new country currency, ranging from 0 to 100, and it represents your ruler's accumulated political capital. This currency if kept high increases the base crown power by up to 20%.You gain it primarily through the total abilities of the ruler, and from the active ability of members of your cabinet. There are also laws and privileges that impact how much you will get from itIt really is just EU4 mana back again right down to the rulers and ""advisors"" being the main way to get it. They've taken away the one reason left people on here had to say its better than 4.
>>2462791And of course the EU4 cattle will celebrate.
i just ordered 50$ of mcdonalds breakfast, which nation should i play?
>>2462795hamburg
>>2462795Post brekkie
yeah they really just dont know what theyre supposed to do anymore
>Spending influence on actions like these obviously has an opportunity cost too. It means you’re not spending it on other things.>>Other things such as:>>- Tolerating/accepting a culture >>- Discriminating a culture>>- Changing primary culture>>- Urban rights>>- Moving capital>>- Appointing cabinet members >>- Hiring courtiers >>- Situation interactionsWhat the fuck?
Why do lazarettos give disease resistance if coastal provinces arent actually more prone to diseases?
I'm not even sure that Johan is real. Maybe he was replaced by an LLM also.
>>2462803>anymorethey didn't from the start
>>2462821i mean at the start they had a game that just didnt work so the cope was just make everything work and now theyre just adding mana back because the game is still shit
>>2462806>tolerating culture>discriminating cultureMakes sense, now you're spending prestige is kinda bullshit>changing primary cultureShould still cost stab as well desu>urban rightsSpending legitimacy on this was bullshit so this is an improvement>moving capitalShould cost stab desu>appointing cabinet members>hiring courtiers>situation interactionsLooks good to me desuWe already has stability/legitimacy/prestige awkwardly used as mana, now we have real mana instead. Best case scenario this will save the game as they can now balance government actions around a single mana pool
>add OP meme estate actions that don't even make narrative sense (+20 stability for -10% peasant estate satisfaction)>these ruin the simulationist approach of the game because EU4 zoom-zooms didn't have their flashing green dopamine button giving instant results>have the cost for these be estate satisfaction>explicitly state this is because estate satisfaction didn't feel like a "currency", and they believe everything in the game should be "currency" (mana)>add an even more abstract, all-encompassing modifier>generated out of the king's ass, just like eu4>redditors give it a round of applause>playcount still won't go above EU4I've memed a lot but this is legitimately it, this is the point where EU5 was kill. Double digit IQ redditors who lack the mental capacity to experience the concept of delayed gratification won.It's officially ogre. R.I.P EU5 2025-2026 "You could have been something."
EU5 is an idea
>>2462803No they do. They've decided fixing EU5 is impossible since everything so far is 2 steps forward 1.5 back. Now they're going to spend the next 2 years morphing it into a more tedious version of EU4.
>tehee!Self awareness of a pajeet and tone deaf as fuck.
>>2462871They don't seem to understand it's only ironic if they're not actually adding mana to the game.They're completely devoid of ideas as a studio. Mana is to Paradox what lootboxes are to gacha games. They just fall back to it because they're incapable of coming up with new ideas anymore.
What are we listening to, bros?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZbbiLN71qk
Stab and legitimacy are already mana, moving some of their uses into a new currency does not change the amount of mana in the game.
Aren't they making it so every culture in your realm has its own estates?
>>2462885sounds like a terrible idea so probably
>>2462854there is no reason why most of these things should cost mana to begin with. privileges for example should just have a downside and cost nothing beyond that.
>>2462806>>- Tolerating/accepting a culture Shouldn't cost anything, limit should be the accepted cultures cap, which should (and is) determined by the ratio of pops. i.e: There are too many Greeks for Ottomans to just accept them at the start.>>- Discriminating a cultureShouldn't cost anything. Castile didn't have to spend "political influence", "prestige", or anything to exile the Jews.>>- Changing primary cultureShould cost a large malus to the satisfaction of the previous primary culture.>>- Urban rightsShouldn't cost anything. They're already balanced by them gimping production efficiency. >>- Moving capitalMakes more sense to have it cost money due to the associated costs of moving the entire bureaucratic imbroglio of the state.>>- Appointing cabinet members This should never cost any currency, what the fuck?>>- Hiring courtiers Recruiting people to work for you shouldn't cost anything.>>- Situation interactionsWhy the fuck would international situations cost domestic currencies?
every location should have its own estates, the burghers of Naples do not have the same interests as the burgers of venice
>>2462894I think discriminating jews and only jews should tank your prestige so that gamers dont get any wrong ideas
>>2462898Boy, have I got the game for you.
which game are simulaties moving on to now?
>>2462903brown
>>2462905Coping that gilded destiny will save the genre.
>>2462903Wiz won.Vicky Troon lost.
>>2462907If you don't like liqqy you're not just brown you're anthracite black.
i think not just the DDs but also most of the forums are written by AI
>add mana>rightfully downvoted, whole community in revolt>add mana but literally put "tee hee we're adding mana guise!!1!" in the post>whole community loves the self-aware, casual crowd work, upvotes all roundwhat causes this phenomenon
Dead game.Dead thread
>general is dead 90% of the time>only when they're further ruining the game does it come to lifejohan is threatening to improve the game again
Large parts of the base game mechanics still don't work (nearly a year since release btw) so they're now bolting on game changing systems and mechanics that we can also say with almost certainty aren't going to work as intended at release on? This game is going to be a disaster by Christmas next year.
>>2462921At this point they're just hoping against hope that the game gets better, and are willing to accept anything.
>>2462927There does seem to be a strong air of resignation from what I've seen.At this point they've fucked the game up and botched development so many times in the less than a year since it's been out that they may as well do whatever the fuck they want. They're incapable of making it good.Johan always snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>2462930That's where I'm at. I already paid them the money so it's not like I have anything left to lose. They're apparently going to keep developing the game until at least 2028 off that purchase. So I'll just let them cook, as the kids say, if it's bad I'll laugh and if it's good I'll play.
Not sure what you doomfags are on about desuThe game is slowly but surely improving
It got buried among all the mana shit, but they also said:>Mercantilism now raises your maximum tariff and trade-subvention ceilingsI remember I spent an entire fucking day here arguing with the "you have never played the game" PR dev that they should add Victoria 3 style tariffs and subventions and he said "the state had no control over incoming and outgoing trade", and no matter how many times I cited historical precedent for export controls, such as the English wool export laws he'd just reply "you have never played the game" like a retard.I assume he is in this thread now, ready to apologize to me.
>>2462938You have never played the game.
>>2462938I mean trade taxes already existed in the game so I have no idea what he could've been on aboutmore mercantilism = based in my opinion, it was already insanely overpowered but fun to discover and set up
>>2462938You got blown out on this already.
>>2462925The update is actually good though but you are right that the seether spergout does revive the thread (it's also the thing killing the thread)
>>2462952Which update? 1.13 is shit, and 1.14 won't be out until the date they are legally required to release it in accordance with their steam agreement. At which point 1.14 will also be shit, even shitter than 1.13 in fact.
>>2462938You haven't played the game. You also got blown out on that already.
>>24629541.13 is good and what they have posted about 1.14 is also good hence the post at the OP. Game is clearly moving to the right direction.
>>2462962Elaborate on your opinion or be proven to be a PR dev shilling slogans.
>>2462880I put LOTR ost while I play because the music of the game is mostly awful>>2462884Legitimacy was made into mana imo, stability is just something you want it to be high
>>2462963What's there to elaborate. Political influence is good. Free subjects change is good. Quantity is good. Estate armies are good, especially if they use these to make stuff like hordes or mamluks fragile. Discriminate cultures is good. Migration is good though probably useless with the way it sounds like it will work. The legitimacy changes are good as are the republic and theocracy changes and their cap only buildings I suppose though pretty low impact for most runs. Dhimmi change is great if you play as Muslim. Revolts have been weak as fuck since forever so anything that buffs those is good. Demand leadership in war basically fixes 80% of the problems with the wars allowing you to take control over various meme wars, probably the best change on the list. Removing trust cap to save on save file space is good but also extremely hilariously incompetent of them. Diplo cap to 3 is great. The various diplo actions registering without diplomats or opinions is great.I don't think there's anything I particularly dislike, some totally nothing burger stuff there like the automation but that's just because I don't use it. I guess the private armies couple be ship if it's implemented badly but I suspect at worst it's just another nothing burger instead of being relevant which isn't good but it's not bad either.
1.12 was bearable because it at least was the stop to the schizopatches1.13 was mid but moved overall in the right direction1.14 looks good so far. the use of mana they have here is unironically a good idea
>>2462968>Political influence is good.How the fuck is it good? They're readding points that are generated out of the king's asshole that controls a dozen different things. This is lazy game design. This is a step backwards. This appeals to no one other than dopamine fried zoomers who want their every click to have a big "level up" banner appear, this is completely antithetical to everything EU5 was supposed to be, we were supposed to be moving away from this crap.>Free subjects change is good. True, which is why I'm not bitching about that. Has the potential to be unbalanced both ways though (either makes it too strong and the economy too powerful, or bankrupts the estates, or both)>Quantity is good.Maybe. Huge potential to be balanced poorly where one side is objectively better, which I suspect will be quantity. Nu-paradox have always had an issue with battles where most troops always win. Not like the good old days of horde cavalry in CK2, or defense stacking in liqqy.>Estate armies are goodNope, terrible change. More instant gratification buttons for people too retarded to into longterm planning.What genre are these games? Grand STRATEGY, not tactics. Hitting the "estates pls help" button is not strategic.>Discriminate cultures is good.Assimilation is already OP as fuck, didn't need another buff.>Migration is goodThis is just the current system but given an OP version for people who play past the first couple hundred years.>Dhimmi change is great Pure retardation, persecuted pops shouldn't have anywhere near the political power as nobles. >Revolts have been weak as fuck since forever so anything that buffs those is good. Unless they fix all estates having loadsamoney (they won't) then every revolt getting 1/4th of 99999 ducats to hire mercs with will get real tedious real quick.>Demand leadership in war True, but it shouldn't have taken this long. And they shouldn't have claimed it would need next generation processors to accomplish before now.
>>2462975They the game a bit next time bucko
>>2462977want to try again, champ?
>>2462740>mana was great game design in EU4 so maybe this can work if they incorporate it right and make it not do silly shitIt's just an abstraction.
>>2462981Ring mana is far less off a mana than Bird mana simply because it's being spent on mostly self consistent things your monarch would basically be doing/decreeing. It's not like you get to deside between swapping culture, upgrading ships or getting more peppers with it. It's still very mana esque since it's being earned almost entirely from base values and can be banked to be spent retroactively but the spending and earning checks out narratively.
are there people who really, unironically, non-trollingly thought mana was "great game design"why on earth should the the king shit out birds that are used to do everything from >recruit admirals>increase mercantilism>culture convert provincesall while supposedly being called "diplomatic" points, despite none of these actions concerning diplomacy?
>>2462984The three (four, gold is also mana) manas are meant to represent economic growth of your state. Advisors are you investing in your growth. Everything you do is an opportunity cost to not increase development of your realm.
>>2462985It has nothing to do with realism or whether names fit, it is purely good game design for a game that made the game work well as a game
>isolate the EU4 tards by making the game have too many different mechanics>isolate the grognards by reintroducing manakek, EU5 is going to go the Victoria 3 route where it's solely defended due to sunk-cost fallacy. It's too late for EU5 to rebrand as EU4 2, all they're doing now is jettisoning the few remaining people who were clinging on in the hopes it got good.
>>2462997By this logic adding a literal cookie that you click at the side of the game that gives you gems you can spend on faster clickers would also be "great game design."It isn't good design for a GRAND STRATEGY game. The whole point of GRAND STRATEGY is it's supposed to be strategic on a large scale. Instant gratification mana buttons are the opposite of strategic.
>>2463001Honestly if you have played EU4 for a decent number of hours and think about it for a little while it's very obvious why mana is good. And if you haven't played it then its pointless to explain. If I were another poster I might perhaps venture to guess, or even assert, that you have not, shall we say, partaken in such act of playing the game in question. Perchance you may even be blown in an outward direction.
>>2462998Vic3 got good in the end. Just gotta wait two more years.
>>2462997Name fitting actually has a lot to do with it. A good illusion is basically the fundamental core of a video game. If the narrative doesn't work then the thing will seem silly and arbitrary. That's why diplo mana sucks ass because it does so many random things, it was the dump stat of the game, couldn't figure out what mana to make something cost? Make it cost diplo lmao.Also mana is good game design.
>>2463003Isn't it on mixed reviews?
>>2463002>If I were another poster I might perhaps venture to guess, or even assert, that you have not, shall we say, partaken in such act of playing the game in question. Perchance you may even be blown in an outward direction.There's no recovery from this. Cookie clicker guy obliterated.
>>2463004>Also mana is good game design.
>>2463005Last DLC released was bugged as hell but since Charter of Commerce DLC last year, it has stayed mostly positive.
>>2463002I have played EU4 for many hundreds of hours, and the entire time I was playing it I hated the mana system. I hated waiting for it to fill up. I hated spending it for tech and ideas, it is extremely immersion breaking.In EU5 the thing that stops you from exploring and colonizing is money and people. If you're playing as Portugal you need first build up an economy in order to afford exploration (not some abstract "exploration ideas", as in the actual act of exploring) and then you can only colonize as much as your reserve of peasants allow. If your pops are all working in your RGO or buildings they obviously can't go clap Amerindian cheeks. Your progression is kept in check by a multitude of integrated mechanics that all matter. THAT is good game design, not spending 600 mana to get admin tech 10 and then a further 800 to get the quest for the new world tech and first arbitrarily limited colonist.>>2463003You clearly haven't attempted to use the new naval system.
>>2462985Civ 5 was fucking huge at the time EU4 was released. It was obvious Paradox wanted to pander to the people who thought shit like faith mana and culture mana was deep ass gameplay.
>>2463017This is the problem, the lunatics are now running the asylum.A bunch of casuals started playing their games, EU4, CK3, HoI4, the fanbase became brainlet casual zoomers. EU5 was initially pitched as a real grand strategy game, in the same vein as EU3, Victoria 2, and HoI3, but now they've cultivated a fanbase of drooling morons who unironically believe mana is "great game design", actual mechanics that require considerable dev time to envision and implement are repulsive to them. There's no dopamine, there's no instant gratification, there's no obnoxious sound effect and flashing lights.So now they're trying to frankenstein EU5 into a game with all the mechanics EU4tards hate (pops, supply/demand, tangible goods) and all the mechanics the old core playerbase of these games that Paradox pitched EU5 at hate (mana).The end result will be no side gets what it wants and no side will like it. It's basically the complete reverse of what they did with Imperator, where they turned a mana slopfest into an actual game but by that point it was too late.
>>2463026t. does not play CK3Stick to bitching about EU4. And maybe HoI4.
>>2463026eu4 lives rent free in your god damn head.
>>2463030Shut the fuck up, casual shitsucking scum.
>>2463029Are you seriously arguing CK3 isn't designed to appeal to braindead zoomers? Let me guess, pic related is also "great game design"?>>2463030It wouldn't if they'd stop trying to force EU4's mana into my EU5.
>>2463034CK3 was simply CK2, but coded with all the systems baked in from the start, instead of awkwardly stuck on. It also nerfed everything from CK2. And every random chance mechanic replaced with a progress bar. It is, objectively, the more difficult game.Sit down, small son. CK2 isn't difficult. At all.
h8 treesh8 manah8 bonusesluv me popsluv me spreadsheetsluv me speed 5simple as
>>2463034How are they forcing mana into eu5? Show me.
>>2463041The appeal of Crusader Kings is the roleplay aspect and immersion, this isn't about "difficult vs easy", if you wanted to go that route then EU5 is easier than EU4 because you don't need to spend mana on getting national ideas, you can start exploring the azores sea before your first unpause.My argument is against the gamification of grand strategy.If I'm playing CK2 and choose the family focus I essentially gain nothing other than a fertility boost, a health boost, and I'll get some events about it.If I'm playing CK3 and choose the diplomacy lifestyle I'll have a constant ticking bar of points to spend on bonuses and unlocks and level ups.The former is enjoyable for roleplay and immersion.The later is enjoyable if you're a dopamine addicted zoomer who feels he needs to constantly be accruing points so he has a visual representation of "progress" rather than just enjoying the story for what it is.The fact that you can't understand that this isn't about difficulty and must frame everything as "how fast can i heckin WC as ulm!!" is my principle issue with your kind.
>>2463049Blind as well as stupid? Or just a PR dev running damage control?>>2462783>>2462806
>>2463054That's not mana. Fuck off and kill yourself.
>>2463053>the fanbase became brainlet casual>a fanbase of drooling morons>actual mechanics that require considerable dev time to envision and implement>this isn't about "difficult vs easy"
>>2463057>point generated out of the king's ass that controls a dozen different things isn't manaWhy are you people always so disingenous? You either go the "nothing is mana" route or the "time and money are mana" route.How much are you paid to post this? Don't tell me you're defending the multi-million dollar company's lazy development for free?
>>2463026>>2463034EU4 will forever mog your cookie clicker gamecope & seeth
imo the ring man is not real mana, it works just like legitimacy, stability, etc since it also gives you a boost for hoarding it. I think they just call it mana to make it look like they're backing down from the simulation to appeal to the arcade eu4 plebs. >hey look we have mana now, please come back play eu5
>>2463063By your definition Legitimacy is mana then.
>>2463066The issue for me was never "mana" or anything of the sort. It's the fact that EU4 is simply boring. There are no internal challenges, only external ones, and warfare is solved. There is nothing to do EXCEPT blob. The shitsucking casuals HATE internal management.Stellaris was actually the most tragic victim of this. At least it was developed for long enough to have a boatload of LARP, instead.Victoria 3, unironically, was a step in the right direction and the Journal system was the best thing they invented. As long as EU5 continues development, and keeps stuff like Complacency, I'm fine.
>>2463060None of those points are mutually exclusive, you're just too retarded to understand.A gamified grand strategy can be more difficult to play than a non-gamified one, but it requires you to be stupider to be satisfied with it.Spending 600 mana on admin tech 10, 400 mana on quest for the new world, and 400 mana on a colonist is more difficult than just being allowed to do those things automatically, there is a barrier to the action, so it is more difficult.But you also have to be more retarded to enjoy it, because for any sensible person it's immersion breaking to have to spend bird points to be able to colonize. Christopher Columbus didn't spend birds to cross the Atlantic. Only a retarded casual would be satisfied with this immersion breaking mechanic.Hence, it is more difficult, but you need to be more retarded to be satisfied with it.
>>2463069It wasn't on release, but they've been progressively manaizing it since then by making it perform more actions, such as granting urban rights. They've made it a currency, and thus worsened the game for it.What they're talking about doing now with "political influence" is more of the same, and further worsening the game.
>>2463073>They've made it a currencyIt always was.
>>2463072>tfw retarded enough to have fun
>>2463074Well they've made it worse then. At least it solely used to be spent on things that actually pertained to the legitimacy of the King.
>>2463072>shifting goalposts againYou can keep bitching about EU4 all you want. Just leave CK3 out of it, it undermines you.
>>2463077I think you just have a hangup about eu4 and you are schizo so you see a lot of that in eu5.
>>2463079My only mistake was attempting to explain something to someone too retarded to understand it.
>>2463082>69 - Nice
>>2463080I see very little of it in EU5, actually. This is why I'm so assmad. They've already made it so urban rights cost legitimacy mana, added estate actions that we didn't need as power ups that cost satisfaction mana, and now they're adding another abstract all-encompassing pool of power points. They won't be satisfied until every action in the game costs birds. All to appeal to the EU4 tards who will never come back no matter how gamified they make it.
>>2463082>he thinks that's a lot>he's still hung up on CK3>he calls others retardedlollmaoDid you even play CK2? Where stat items had literally no limit? Where being a Satanist could give you a busted character for free? What a dumb fuck you are.
>>2463085Definitely schizo.
>>2463088I played with the meme satanists turned off, because they were immersion breaking.>>2463089Yes, I can understand why someone actually caring about grand strategy instead of happily eating any slop they're given like you do would seem crazy to you.Try having higher standards, or developing critical thinking skills.
>>2463093>I played with the meme satanists turned off, because they were immersion breaking.So you still played with the Hermetic Society available, with their busted Magnum Opuses, free Stressed/Depresed removal and Tier 4 gear that's free? Nice.
>>2462968>Estate armies are goodAssuming the player has control over them, otherwise is just free war score for the AI
>>2463026>So now they're trying to frankenstein EU5Great news! eu5 never had a clear identity anyways or clear path and when it tried to have one, the devs smashed it the next patch. EU5 is whatever we think is going to be when is finally good.
>>2463049>>2462871
>>2462985I'm also trans btw
eu5 is on the path to being saved.
>>2462985its fine for manabirds to be used for mercantilism and culture conversion because a sovereign who had a silver tongue would be more easily able to convince people to do these things and handle naysayers and pushbackadmirals and naval techs should have been part of the sword mana because then it would also promote an interesting decision making on where to spend your sword mana points, especially if they broke apart the techs but both required sword mana, but i guess that potentially makes landlocked nations a little stronger techwise so they should have added an extra cost penalty there that scales up with further disparity between the techs
>>2463011>not some abstract "exploration ideas", as in the actual act of exploringbut all of the actual relevant things you can do relating to exploration and colonialism are gated behind techs
>>2463011>In EU5 the thing that stops you from exploring and colonizing is money and people. If you're playing as Portugal you need first build up an economy in order to afford exploration (not some abstract "exploration ideas", as in the actual act of exploring) and then you can only colonize as much as your reserve of peasants allow. If your pops are all working in your RGO or buildings they obviously can't go clap Amerindian cheeks. Your progression is kept in check by a multitude of integrated mechanics that all matter. THAT is good game design, not spending 600 mana to get admin tech 10 and then a further 800 to get the quest for the new world tech and first arbitrarily limited colonist.And yet building a colonial empire is far more fun and interesting in EU4 than it is in EU5, and the colonial mechanics in EU5 aren't even in line for a rework for over a year from now. Weird innit.
ulm wc
>>2463071>There is nothing to do EXCEPT blobthis describes every europa game
Why is 'Ulm WC' even a meme when most EU4 world conquests are completed with other nations and in far more memified ways? Why does one small German state the subject of a semi-interesting AAR years ago have so much impact on ones psyche?
>>2463138Ulm is the designated quirk chungus nation."Mughal WC" just doesn't have the same aura.
>>2463134>building a colonial empire is far more fun and interesting in EU4 than it is in EU5How so? They're literally identical systems except EU5 moves actual pops and you can shape your colonial nations exact borders or even choose to directly control them instead of them getting auto released at 5 provinces.
>>2462726>spend political power on parliament supportwow, the trade offs on pushing something without much support through are no longer giga crippling, nicequantity actually giving quantity is a great change but I don't think innovative vs traditionalist should be a societal value at all, innovativeness should be like mercantilism in EU4, a number where increasing it is objectively better and you can take steps to make it go up fasterRoyal garden change seems like a nice buff to ottomansinheritance contracts sound fun>finally fixing auto diplo having too much power that should have been in fucking 1.0>Automation used to cancel diplomatic actions it did not recognize as its ownthis I can actually forgive as a day 1 bug but it not being fixed in the very first patch the game got is insane, every single fucking time you made a spy network, but we have to wait for fucking 1.4Setting auto opinion targets is nice>proper full diplo action list for things you can't currently dothat's good but you should be able to turn it off too
>>2462795Ameeeericaoh wait only 1 start date even though EU4 had a fucking achievement tied to starting as americathey should add a 1670 start date so I can roleplay as my man Jan Paweł
>>2462806Makes sense to me, changing primary culture or moving capital should still be big stab hits as well though
>>2462743Wait am I blind where did they say they are lowering base annexation cost?
>>2463138Easier to type than Dithmarschen. The one province minor with a fuckload of claims in its mission tree, and anarchist memes.
>>2463132>who had a silver tongue would be more easily able to convince people to do these thingsShut the fuck up you dumb idiot, do you really think a pajeet living in a region conquered by England can turn into an Englishman due to the ruler having a "silver tongue"? Dumb fucking mana retards.
>>2462927This is the game getting better, mana is a good thing, the fixes to auto diplo are a good thing (but they're all either things that should have been in 1.0 or a few things that should have been fixed in the very first patch)
>>2463179bodied that freak
>>2463170>am I blindyes
>>2463183Wow I am blindGreat change
i refuse to believe the "people" who supposedly followed eu5's manaless development for years, have played it manaless for months, and are now in this thread saying "actually mana is good" are organic
romanians and their consequences have been a disaster for /gsg/
>>2463185I have maintained from day 1 that mana is good, the problem with Mana in EU4 was always that tech was tied to italso Stability in EU5 is already Mana
>>2463185if you think any patch of EU5 has been "manaless" then you're genuinely retarded
>>2463189>money is manaYou were already blown the fuck out on this. You have never played the game.
>>2463193who are you quoting?
>>2463185All the kneelers are most likely playing and enjoying the game, instead of posting here.V3 was exactly what I wanted, and I don't touch V3 threads on here. I sometimes yell at subhumans elsewhere, though.
>>2463194never played the game award
>>2463188>mana is goodIt's bad for players because it's lazy dev design. They don't have to think of multiple concepts or make them all interact with each other (pops, development, literacy, prosperity, climate, terrain, satisfaction), they just make it a cookie clicker with a bar that fills up and then you spend. It's a waste of having these be desktop games, you may as well make them mobile games if all the "gameplay" is just waiting for a bar to fill up.
>>2463198Is this the same faggot that calls V3 "cookie clicker", too?
Well EU5 was good while it lasted
No it wasn't.
Didn't think we'd be calling it so soon, but 1.12 was the last definitive version of EU5. Before the bloat OP estate interactions and then mana in the next version.
Christ, now the /gsg/ niggers are here.
never leftwagglin my willy rn
>>2463208Damn, I am? And still, somehow, whiter than you.
>>2463211I am his resurrected ghost, yes.
turkslayer...
>>2463145there arent 1000 colonies with shitty names and colonial nations actually contribute militarily to the old world
>>2463179irl many indian states and nobles adopted english-influenced culture and values, just the same as africans and many more. cultural conversion is not biological conversion
>>2463232>colonial nations actually contribute militarily to the old worldDo you have a single example of that happening in the timeframe in real life, young man?
ManaGODS won. Simmicels LOST.
>>2463241Yes
>>2463270>EUIV>negative gainYikes, it's truly over now
>>2463270How many of those EUIV players are playing Anbennar tho?
>>2463274Yeah I would be curious to see how much Anbennar is contributing to those numbersHave they been working on an EU5 Anbennar at all?
MEIOU and Taxes will fix it. They'll delete all the mana from the game. I fully trust them. They will save EU5 and they will do so as a mod. Surely. Please.
>>2463325It's no good, the game is rotten to its EU4.5 core
>>2462991Except this "economic growth" is nonsensically divided into three completely distinct and entirely arbitrary categories. There's no reason why investing in naval technology and investing in culture should cost the same resource but investing in military tactics or developing the tax base costs entirely different ones.
>>2463300Anbennar's dead with eu4, it was designed for eu4 and doesn't work on any other game
>>2463270The real problem I see for them going forward is they don't really have anything on that roadmap that will lead to a bunch of players coming back. 4 at least got constant DLC bumps to remind people, only thing 5 has confirmed on the horizon is packs for Scotland and the Maghreb and a hazy promise of mission trees late next year.
>manatards suddenly decided to leave their caves en masse Just add mission trees, sorry, "ambitions" already.>>2463346How come? I thought it was a fantasy mod and that it was the main point.
>>2463355Yeah I find it super weird that all the DLC is so nation focused instead of being for everybodyI imagine the first change to this will be a big colonization one
was waiting to buy the game but now that it's confirmed manaslop and mission trees I'm safe from wasting my moneygood riddance
was waiting to buy the game and now that it's confirmed managem and mission trees I'm safe from wasting my moneygood work johan
I can't even remember why I bought this shit on release instead of pirating it. Just why.Fucking retard.
>>2463116>Assuming the player has control over themIt says on the tin that the player can take control over them so yes you (and the AI) will presumably be able to use them as if they were your own regulars except if you piss off the estates. This is what makes it a good thing, they could even fix mamluks with this, not the meme plague. Imagine if Mamluks had a privilege that allowed their nobles (or maybe peasants) to have significantly more professionals but much less regular levies. That would give Mamluks a potentially powerful army but one that's fickle and at the mercy of their estates. Give them couple bad events that lower nobility loyalty and that opens them up to be broken. Maybe even tie it up to the current ruler losing a battle so when they lose a battle with their main stack the rest of the troops just peace out and abandon the cause.These will at least hopefully help balance the power curve in the early game by adding some "free" regulars particularly to large nations so France and the like don't start with same amount of regulars as memeingen and then suddenly explode when armories come around.
>>2463445whoa buddy, that sounds pretty complexyou'll need to wait for the Legacy of Cleopatra DLC pack for the Mamluks to get something like that
>>24632745% fantasytroons are a loud minority
why doesnt paradox create a way to take more land later on, you currently have the inverse of EU4 where you can take a shitton of land early on but late game you literally cap out the warscore cost on just a few provinces
>>2463487There's a slight warscore reduction in late game but it's not enough to counter the rise in province value. Yes it's kinda crap, good CB's are also sorely missed.
>heretics at university procs so often that it's just not worth being humanist thanks to cratering pastor loyaltyI guess it's time to embrace my spiritual side once again deus vult catholic scum
>>2463487the imperialism cb is goated though? you can annex entire countries for nothing
>>2463300>Have they been working on an EU5 Anbennar at all?Earlier this year some guy posted it was in dev hell because they were having to play around with the control mechanic because Anbennars geography essentially makes most countries unplayable (mountains everywhere, every continent is isolated from each other, the serpentspine, etc. Plus at this point I'd guess they'll just wait until Ambitions are out.
>>2463512>spend weeks fine tuning the balance of a bunch of nations>johan snorts a line of coke and randomly changes every formula for every feature 7 times in 10 days>all your work is ruined
>>2463487>>2463494Just threaten war.
>>2463513Making all goods have no value due to infinite supply was a necessary change. I'm sorry you can't appreciate GODhan's vision.
threaten war giving reduced cost is retarded
>>2463374>>manatards suddenly decided to leave their caves en masseNot really. They've been seething that EU5 isn't like their bing bing wahoo ulm WC blobber since before release. Paradox have listened and will now make the game worse and worse until they're happy.By the end of it I wouldn't be surprised if they removed pops because the EU4ucks find them "too complicated".
is the dlc worth it? I don't plan on playing Byzantium in general
>>2463536the game isn't fucking worth itit was DoA and somehow they keep desecrating the corpse further
>>2463536If you never plan to play Byz then definitely not.Even to a hardcore byzaboo I'd struggle to recommend it.
>>2463536>I don't plan on playing Byzantium in generalThen why would you get a nation pack that only affects Byzantium? All the other general upgrades were rolled out free in the patch
>>2463539>Then why would you get a nation pack that only affects Byzantium?Because it could affect the game as a whole when I interact with them and with the divergence of the timeline and events if the DLC is enabled. Also because I have a compulsion with owning every DLC of any given game I play.
>>2463536The DLC is a complete meme.They fully made it as an ancient Roman LARP, where you form toga rome with legionaries and shit.They put out a dev diary of this content about two weeks before release, and reddit revolted that they were disrespecting the heckin romanosioserinos (greeks) so they sort of half-heartedly dialled it back, but had literally no idea for what to do for content without that shit, so it basically still is that, but they changed the names of things to not offend the greekaboos sensibilities.
>>2463536only if you want to support eu5 or play byzmodern paradox games usually ship actual game mechanics in free patches and only lock country specific content in dlcs
they need to remove this dumb pow mechanic or at least let me check an autoexecute these niggas button
>>2463548Just merge them into your main army, otherwise the AI will "stackwipe" them and get them back.
I have no idea what the "will gain antagonism on [X LOCATION]" meansdoes that mean if i take them out to siberia before massacring them no one will care?
>>2463552thats what russia did in ww2
would be pretty cool if you could release PoW in your own country this wayas russia you beat some Poles, get 30,000 PoW, and you march their asses to omsk and set them freecan't wait for rubles and rurikovichs DLC
>>2463536No. I bought it, will never play Byz, only country in the region I tried was Walachia, it adds some events for them (I think) and I still regret it and feel personally responsible for paying these devs and encouraging all the retarded decisions they are making.
>>2463557Opinion on Political Influence?
>>2463542I'm trying to think I've ever played a Paradox game where a country pack really alters how the AI would play a country the closest I guess would be the HoI alternate history option but usually the AI never really seems to know how to engage much with the new content, or in the case of EU4 even the player sometimes had to follow a guide so they AI stood next to no chance.
>>2463542That only happened in eu4, they try to avoid this for eu5 (for now)
>>2463561Manniggers
>>2463542I'm with him on this.Game just doesn't feel right unless every country has access to all the shit the DLC and patches based around them provide.The final redpill is that the CK2 model was the best, where you can only play as Christians unless you buy the DLC, but the AI would still get all the perks of the DLC.
Bravo Johan!!
>>2463586relationslimit is mana
>no cb nation of pops>create colonial charter during war>subjugate in the peace deal + steal maps>colony finishes instantlyneato... i guess
>>2463595What causes this? Do all their pops culture convert to Portuguese?
I'm from 2030 and I love EU4 with pops or as people call it "EU5"
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say mana 'em all!
>>2463586vassal swam sissies btfo
>>2463591>>2463604good thing you can peace out that war immediately
>>2463608>austria not immediately shitting itself and dyingmod?
I'm from 2040Your buddy Johan, what ever happened there?
I will never play the shitantranniesYes I will always play the Ottochads and culture convert istanbul and other reekoid lands to Turkish
poor old boy's heart gave outall that excess weight, stress, and barcelona whores and coke finally did him instill, eu5 is the greatest game ever now, thank god they hired chris king
>>2463586You don't need that France/Spain/Bohemia alliance. Be a man and play without allying a GP
>>2463552Yeah. You can also march them to the capital of a country for whom you want to lower your AE (e.g. if they're borderline for a coalition) and get a decent reduction. Though in practice that rarely be super useful because you can just improve relations for much more reduction.
>>2463637Why does it reduce antagonism? It it considered giving THEM antagonism, which somehow makes your antagonism less severe?
>>2463639I think he's talking about the ransom/release option instead of killing. But yeah if you're gonna execute enemy mercs/regulars you can park them pretty far away from anyone that matters and slaughter them.The spread of the AE is from the location and it's super aggressive with how it drops.
We're going to the Faroe Islands to be away from danger until the war's over.
>My 80k Army lost eventually to 40k stack enemies because they had so many constant merc spams
they still havent fixed the AI being too retarded to consider overlords when DoW on subjects...
>>2463673It's nice you think they're focussing on anything other than mana and ambitions anymore
looking forward to the playcounts still not increasing, and actually going down, once they've filled the game with ambition trees and mana to appeal to the EU4 crowd
>>2463512Hopefully at some point they will just fully expose the control system to modders to do with as they please, they might be too stuborn to do so though
>>2463584isn't that how it works now
>>2463747Nope. Countries just don't get shit.So Byzantium just doesn't get the content if you don't have the DLC. The entire development philosophy is based around you having it, so if you don't and something gets fucked up you're basically SoL.
>>2463567Pretty sure owning the Austria DLC causes it to explode into revolts regularly in Vicky 3, same with the Balkan DLC for Ottomans.
why is capital requirement for megalopolis a thing shit is so dumbtallfaggotry is out of hand in eu5
>>2463775french one also causes orleanist/bonapartist/legitimist chimp outs
>>2463777fr*nchoids chimping out on the reg is historically accurate thoughbeit
what are the "content" "creators" saying about the return of mana
>>2463797no idea, I'm not johan, transgendered or brown so I don't watch jewtubers.
I will ask Claude
>>2463797they are happy
>>2462726the game is saved!
>no one even cares about the return of manawow, this game is dead dead
>>2462744It could easily be remedied by making it so that rebellious discriminated pops don't assimilate.
>>2462854urban rights should be free or cost a temporary drop in local control
>>2462894All of these should just have internal cooldowns.
>>2462975>Estate armies badEstate armies are good because they'll be able to join rebellions alongside the new changes to how many troops the rebels get.
>>2463053In CK3 you get lifestyle events and what not, and you can get lifestyle points from traveling and random events. The focuses on CK2 were rather shallow in comparison, and honestly hardly differed from ambitions.
>>2463871ck2 also had events associated with the lifestyle focuses you just never noticed because you pick military every time
>>2463187Thanks Romania
Mana chads why do we always keep winning?
Give me *your* system to simulate the rarity of certain actions that doesn't involve mana or spending a gorillion ducats to invite one courtier.
how would you redesign PI to work like diplomats
>>2463797I saw Red Hawke and Zwelik had both done return to EU4 videos earlier this week so probably over the moon, if Laith crawls out of his grave then we'll know its serious.
>>2463879Because history is mostly decided by the personal decisions of humans, and those actions just can't be modeled with deterministic simulations of money and resources. If they could, someone would have already done that and used it to become a trillionaire.
From what I see on steam forums the most stubborn and autistic defenders of this game are almost always germans. Why are they like this?
wir lieben strategieslop ja ja
Has anyone played the cold war mod yet?
>>2463888Crusader Kings chads we keep winning
wir suchen dich - eu5 players
>>2463891Classic case of the 'tismus and German fun ethic>be Hans>go to work>manage project, stay up to date on messages and read graphs and spreadsheets>get off work>time for my relaxing lieblingsspiel, Europa Universalis V>manage country, stay up to date on events and read graphs and spreadsheets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_uHEAPt0k8
>>2463586>be from pic related>incredibly triggered by local namescan't they just use english
>>2463973EU5 could never. We only have one good music.
>>2463974Agree but explain
Why do vassals convert to culture so slow now.
>>2463982they almost always accept their biggest culture which alone gives -75% to assimilation also they get -50% just for being a subjectjohan really didn't like the vassal spam of 1.0
>>2463980half the o-u and z-s and so on are wrong, but it's mainly because it's cringe
>>2463987What's the point of Dominion type Vassals anymore? Thank you for telling me this. Though i did heavily suspect about that. Also why does Spiritualist decrease Culture assimilation? In EU4 Religious both increases Convert speed and Culture assimilation (change). Makes no damm sense lol.
>>2464006In 1.4 Traditionalist will make you better at changing laws quickly. If you go looking for logic in Johan's Spanish drug-binge you'll go mad.
>>2464010like yeah man i kinda ''get it'' but it's still not thereat least when i played Muscovy on EU4 i would always ''roleplay'' how Kazans and Tatars would just assimilate or get expelled by Clergy. It made sense but here it's just so wonky and now you even have all the tools and worst of it ''you are expelling just minor one province at a time'' which makes no damm sense lol. like i know even in EU5 you would only have 1-3 Missionaries on one province but still lol.
>>2464013Clergy still has the assimilation bonuses, spiritualism just isn't the same as clergy which explains your confusion.
>>2464013tatars really weren't assimilated this way actual assimilation happened with later settlement of the steppes by east slavic peasantsnumbers + intermarriages lead to assimilation, not the church driven conversions, which weren't that successful btw
>>2464013protip: if you want to not look like a retard you can just click on the source the AI is using and screenshot that instead, same for wikipedia actually
>>2463973>>2463976>metal music>goodyou are a tastelet retardhere are some actually good songshttps://youtu.be/vxR-XdJo2cAhttps://youtu.be/N69cQuAqgSghttps://youtu.be/izG7TqbBlV4
>>2464039I mean it's just odd that ''Clergy becomes Humanist'' and can't convert provinces. If Spiritualist really is ''Clergy'' social Value.. Then why not instead change it to Spiritualist and Tolerance? In EU4 you could in a way pick both Religious and Humanist but it was always overkill, but they also added the Estate things that let you have those Religious freedoms for certain religions. . Like they could actually try to balance the Social values. It's funny if you play as Tunis they have ''resistance to Lutherism''. lol>>2464046I know they mostly expelled Tatars so yeah in a way you would use expel cabinet and migrate your Muscovy pops there. But for some reason it also doesn't really convert the place. I like the idea of pops being culturally Tatar and Sunni but if you just pop Orthodox Muscovite pops there it just not working. They should really work about that now that's it technically in the game but not fully implemented. Like when Russia annexed Crimea in 1700 they mostly expelled all Tatars from there and migrated Ukrainians there. Also Finland and Poland were Grand Duchies of Russian Empire, so in a way Dominion type of Vassal but not really Vassals so i wish they could add things like these i think in EU4 they were PUs.
>looking to find first actual grand strategy in over a decade>about to buy EU5>ask johan if it's simulationist or mana>he doesn't understand>pull out formula for determining if a mechanic is mana or simulationist>he laughs and says "it's a good game, sir">buy eu5>it's mana
>>2464067you can start discriminating cultures in 1.4 which will encourage them to migrat away, convert or rebel
>>2464075It'll either be undertuned so much that it does nothing or overturned so much all pops leave immediately, no inbetween.
>>2464075You can do it now and it's so bare bones you can discriminate every culture even the ones you fully accepted so you can assimilate everything in your culture.>We lowered the base annexation cost from 200 to 50.If were doing this why not make Fiefdoms 50, Vassals 100 who can actually integrate, assimilate and convert their provinces and 200 for Dominions which do it for free but take long time to annex.I'm still waiting for 1.4 though...
>>2464070mana is a simulation
>800h later>Just realized you can choose the area where levies raise instead of your capital
when ever i played kiev i see 2 ducats taxed by clergy but when ever i play any other orthodox there is no clergy taxhow do orthodox tax their clergy?
>>2464164i admit i was blind fuckthey just make so much less tax so it was at the bottom
I find the execution mechanics very funny. You can kill your grandchildren as long as they're a different dynasty for a token legitimacy costwtf is wrong with women?
>>2464164taxing clergy is bait, just let them be happy for research points
fucking libtard
>>2464057Contrarian retard. Point still stands that eu4 music is completely superior to eu5 music.
are there any QOL UI mods? i need something that splits mass production buildings and unique or one per location buildings
I'm afraid of booting up this game and I haven't played this shit in months and never got past the 1500s. Any mod recommendations?
>>2464183I did this but with Burghers as the Qasar horde whilst I colonized Siberia and Alaska. Now I have so many burghers and roads.
>>2464216pain is salvation mogs
>>2464245One music against a whole OST, woah.
>>2464249i can't remember anything from eu4 besides stonemasons
>>2464250https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmRzXjPvNsUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcuoDMgFuuwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BTIZHLUjjkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geB2bIV9_v4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLTxVJ7GuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZO3QOlx-Gkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lC0Wk0SS20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zP3TqZPNyU
>>2464183i have never got estate to 100% and i guess i will never get >>2464239interesting
>>2464308>i have never got estate to 100%You can get it to 100% pretty easily later on but it doesn't matter if it's not at 100, being at 80 is better than taxing and being at 70 and being at 70 is better than taxing and being at 55 and so on.
>>2464323So i just have put their sliders zero then? i could give it a try But if i don't tax Burghers is there any point for Burgher buildings?
>>2464326You want to set it to automate and set the happiness target 100, that way if you do get them above 100% you start to get bit of tax.You should tax burgers. But yes if you aren't taxing burgers then buildings don't really matter. They would still generate income for nobles and peasants to tax but the more you build the more burghers are born and more they steal the RGO's taxes.
>>2464328Ah i see like this. Now i guess this is too much overkill but i just did it for trying out.... So having Clergy 100% at the start of the game is a good thing and later when early economy develops putting Burghers is 100% great too?
>>2464329you should definitely tax nobles and peasants tho. burghers too but at least they do something useful with their money if you dont
>>2464329I don't know what you are on about. You always tax burghers. Only clergy has a happines bonus that's worth more than the money they generate (and Tribes and maybe Cossacks too when you have very few of those)
>>2464339Btw. I just realized Catholics don't even have Clergy tax so is it easier to get them to 100%? Or i mean is the tax you lose way smaller? Like it's not big even to begin with.
>>2464343Not having the opportunity to tax doesn't give any extra satisfaction.
Embrace islam and dhimmi maxxin
What is the point of port authorities? Is it just so you can double dip on trade if you are location limited and the fact that they have slightly different bonuses (namely no burgher power and less burgher trade) and different demand goods?
mana is back on menu boys
I don't hate the reintroduction of mana. I do think its the most clear symbol yet that they have fuck all clue where they're going with this game though.
>>2464375Yeah it's one of those things where they changed the game design based on a mistake, then proceed to slip on 5 banana peels as they fix and create problems in a loop>pre-release streamers beg for a magic button that boosts estate satisfaction, because they want to minmax it permanently at 30% but not actually deal with the estate being mad>devs add bribe estate button>players complain it's too simple>they port the idea of estate interactions from eu4 and add more types of bribes/reverse-bribes>these bribes are broken and way too easy to use>they have to add mana so they can't be spammed so easily (you are here)>future: players complain mana is too slow to get and wait for, paradox adds a button that lets you pay X for mana right nowalso>game runs like shit because there are way too many character interactions being evaluated way too often>it will take too long to fix this, so let's not even bother, just limit the number of characters in a court instead>now there's not enough characters to hire into the cabinet, entire countries are going empty>add a button that creates characters from nothing as a backstop>it costs money but scales because satan tells us everything in the game has to be a scaling cost or he's pulling our funding>players complain that hiring a random wagie costs 3,124,288 ducats>make it cost legitimacy instead>this is retarded for obvious reasons>now it has to cost something else, let's add cabinet mana
>>2464343Indirectly yes, as they just never get a tax malus to satisfaction, so with just a couple of privvies they're at 100%.The amount of tax you miss out on from clergy can be a meaningful cut early game (like 10% of income) but it diminishes quickly once you have your urban economy set up.
>Finally try Conciliatory in HRE>It reduces AE way more than Belligerent and it also gives Cabinet Efficiency
>>2464386Neither of those values affect your antagonism.It reduces/increases the antagonism YOU get from other countries' actions. Useless modifier.The cabinet efficiency from conciliatory indirectly helps you reduce AE by making the dip rep action more effective.
>>2464391What if it's bugged because Tinto can't into scripting
>>2464392the +4 reputation from conciliatory also directly reduces AE fwiwConciliatory is for when you want to avoid coalitions, belligerent is for when you're no longer scared of coalitions and just want the warscore cost reduction
>horse archers upgrade into generic light cavalryvery disappointinghow am I supposed to larp as the continuation of the mongols if in 50 years my horse archer army loses all its uniqueness? need a mod to fix this since paradox will take 7 years to do it themselves
>>2464411What else would they upgrade into? You don't even need to upgrade them for the first couple ages since they are so busted.
>>2464411mongol dlc
i hate being circle leader how do i unvote myself out the that position
>>2464412idk. something steppe themed. so I feel steppey. eu4 had steppe themed units the whole time even if they were just synonyms of "steppe cavalry"
>>2464416ignore it until you lose enough points and some random ai will take it from you
>>2464329always tax nobles and burgers never tax clergy peasants are trickier, you are supposed to target higher satisfaction like 80% because peasants and laborers are almost always the vast majority of the population and higher average satisfaction gives you control and other shitbut you can't really do that from day 1, it needs some setup, pushing serfdom, giving deenfranchisement privileges to other estates
>>2464412>>2464418Horse archers were still around when western Europe was using pike and shot warfare, so they really didn't "upgrade them" maybe due to lack of equipment, and if they had the chance to do it they would have look something similar to pic related: horse archer but with a gun instead of a bow.
Is it still a race of getting to the age of reformation economic buildings.
diplo cost of unions is stupid it should scale with relative economic power, not absolute
>>2464470persia on the map poggers
So which type of army do i go for against Bohemia? Just spam Heavy Cavalry as much as possible to destroy their levies and merc stacks?
>>2464487yeah it's nicethey even managed to push back jeet blobs somehow
>>2464488Basically yeah, you will never outnumber their levies so you have to win lopsided battles to wipe their numbers out.Same goes for France except they will keep hiring mercenaries infinitely so you should separate peace them as early as you can.
>>2464488What's the hurry? Blob towards the north first
>>2464488Just no CB Jawor and you win that one for free.
>ai is stuck in forever war where both sides genocide themselves with 20 war exhaustion incredible
Assimilation should always be passive until late in the game.You should not be able to cast a spell to turn turks into germans. Also, you shouldn't be able to actually assimilate cultures that are in different groups. At best they should create some mutt-hybrid culture.
>>2464381yeah it's almost like basing all your balance decisions around mentally ill streamers and jewtubers that only make videos about how to minmax the fun out of the game was a bad idea or something...
>>2464457Pike and shot was truly the most kino era of warfare, FUCK flintlock rifles and their gay reloading speed
Johan letting eu5 flounder for a year before copying the imperator rome mana because of his pride and his ego
Yeah i fucked up my Gold and Silver market by fucking up the the OG markets. Lesson learned. It was fun Campaign though my 44k Peasants with 8k Heavy Cavalry actually managed to destroy 110k Bohemian forces so it was cool.
>>2464648The Nobility tax is absurd this is after i destroyed all the markets
I don't know if I should pick this up for 40 yuros now or wait ~6 months until it is 25-30really eager to play but fear I will get tired of the little content the game seems to have and the apparent difficulties for non-European tags (nomads, daimyos)
>>2464609>flounder for a yearRealistically two and a half. Ambitions which are the main game fix goal the majority of Tinto are working on are out late next year, they won't work will almost certainly break the game, then will be the Christmas break after which they will spend most of early 2028 trying to fix them.
banks are so absurdly broken i get 100% warscore on day one from banks in the coalition against me
>>2464673having them as conquered vassal is shit and cause france and england join the liberation organizations
>>2464673>GrossGeorganiumzevery time
>>2464698i trimmed them a bit too, they blobbed all over kurdistan areasieging mountain forts is hellish without gigantic numerical superiority, ai just shits the bed, this game even chonky timur couldn't roll georgia i played two games so far as muscovy and byz, both times i just union'd georgia to avoid slogging through mountains
Is there a mod that reduces the heretical marriage malus? It's fucking retarded
>>2464666why wait the issue with eu5 isn't the quantity of content, it's not like imperator rome where outside of rome and diadochi there are only nameless blobsit's quality, there's still lack of polish and some shit just doesn't work correctly
>>2464571most video makers and streamers do less autistic minmaxing than the typical simmiecel poster here who pretend that they manually handle their trade and micromanage all their locations to ensure maximal production efficiency and sattisfaction
i was hopeful that eu5 would have a lot more internal management when it initially came out and it theoretically does but it's all surface level and despite having so many more varied options (compared to eu4) every country and every region plays the exact same way
>>2464745There's nothing to distinguish the nations from one-another except maybe a handful of advances if you're lucky.Every nation is basically the same.
>indians and niggers both get matchlock levies>this means centre africa shitholes raise 200k gun-armed peasants in 1500MMMMM SUCH FLAVOR
>>2464762And they still get blobbed into by the Pisan colony of PeepeepoopooThey need to do with malaria whatever it is happened with smallpox during the smallpoxapocalypseTotal coloniser death (outside of a handful of coastal shitholes) will save the game
>>2464784That's cause the colony will be a century ahead in tech which is significant + the colony gets access to the same manpower pool as it accepts the nig nogs. The guy is seething up a wrong tree, africans are extremely easy to beat after age 3 which is intended.It is silly however that one levy tech instantly transforms millions of people into armed and armored warriors of the next era. I feel like anything above the age 1 levy should have some kind of passive cost of goods or preferably some kind of recruitment building that needs to be kept stocked with goods depending on the population of the province or area or what ever the cut off for one storehouse would be. Age 1 levies should come for free and then from age 2 and up they would require say an area based building to stock up gear so you can actually raise the troops.
How would we fix Belligerent?>-50% Antagonism>+30% Integration speed>+30% Casus belli speed>+15% War Score Cost
>>2464829It's already fixed, warscore cost, spy network and cb creation are all powerful modifiers you want if you are blobbing while diplo rep and cabinet efficiency are good if you aren't
>>2464829More than trying to fix that particular one it would make more sense to design the sliders to want you to be either full on, right in the middle or on the other extreme.
>>2464830No it's not. 10% Cabinet efficiency increases integration speed and diplomatic reputation decreases antagonism
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3606278744https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3620871699yeah... its gaming time
>>2464832So what?
>>2464829It's already fixed. If you don't care about antagonism then -25% warscore cost is better than all of Conciliatory. If you care about antagonism then Conciliatory is better. Eventually you reach a point where antagonism doesn't matter so there's a usage for both sides of the scale
yeah, eu5 is done for if youtubers are going back to eu4
>>2464866why would they go back if eu5 is supposedly eu4.5? did /eu5/ lie to me?
>>2464869I don't think anyone has said that. Are you off your meds?
>>2464707>the issue with eu5 isn't the quantity of contentLol.
>>2464875He's half right, EU period does have name brand nations. It's just that Imperators problem was both that it had no content and that most nations were absolutely no name tribes that no one wants to play as. EU5 has well liked nations with actual history, it just has no content for them
>>2464866EU5 has so shit selection of nations, while in EU4 everything is playable and mostly fun except some few ones. And playing France, England or Spain is not fut in EU5.
It should've started in the 1430s
@@2464866oh no, not the heckin chud jewtubers...god if they stop caring about eu5 then I'll have to kill myself!!!!!!!
religious conversion working passively while culture conversion doesn't seems backward as fuckbefore centralized education, states didn't really have tools for culture conversion other than resettlement and expulsion religious conversion on the other hand was pretty much always done on purpose, often with state's assistance
>>2464917That's what it happening passively means. Low level efforts all over the place by local churches.
I love the Hussite Wars
>>2464908If Ludis gypsy nose can smell a dwindling audience to make weird noises at Paradox itself aren't going to be far behind doing an Imperator on this and cutting their loses.
>>2464413Another reason the start date should have been 1453. You can't play as Mongols and revive Chungus's legacy, Mongols already own all of China at start date.
>>2464990retard
>pops>tens of thousands of locations>mana>modsliterally the best game ever made, take all my fucking money pdx
also i want paradox to release trans thigh-highs so i can frot with my boyfriend in them
>>2464866>they even lost the romanian shillIt's over.
EU4 is the perfect game for hivemind bugmen casual NPC shitters.You can pump out a video on some meme goal in a single day, it's literally the only thing to do in the game.WE MADE ULM NAHUATL KONGOLESE AND CONQUERED THE WORLD WITH THEMnone of those retards are going to click a video entitled "i marginally expanded my arms industry and took two provinces from denmark"
How do we rangelock those thread to western europeans and americans only. I'm kinda tired reading post from underage mystery meat balkanoids posting the most stupid shit imaginable for attention.
>How do we limit the threads to trannies?VGH... Paradox's strongest customer...
Guys, can anyone tell me how I downvote comments I don't like away on this site? I really don't want to hear such pessimism when all the guys (and gals!) are working so hard on fun and exciting new mechanics like political influence points!
>>2465024You have to reply cringe to a post you don't like. This will damage the ego of the poster and hurt his feelings. Your post is cringe btw.
>>2465020cringe cringe cringe!
>>2465023trannies like clio aite love eu4 though
>becoming the leader of the Ilkhanan removes the CB to unify the Ilkhanate instead of gaining it>anyone that claims the Ilkhanan immediately fucking takes it from you and if you take it back they will continuously re-take it from you every single month completely fucking up the ruling history>the CB to stop them from claiming it also just doesn't workAre they fucking retarded? What were they thinking? Why yes, Georgia, of course you the Christian Bagrationi king of Georgia are the true successor to the Mongols even though I own all of Iran, and I cannot possibly dispute this until I conquer your entire country
>this was expectedNo idea how but England won the 100 years war. Sadly they didn't force a union with France.If you're wondering what the implications of this were (having progressed the campaign some 150 years since the screenshot): Basically, England AI is retarded and left their French lands on zero control the entire game so the only real change is France being much weaker. If anything England is probably weaker than normal due to penalties to e.g. research from low nationwide control (although to be fair they have some nice vassals). The bordergore mess remains entirely unresolved with Paris still encircled.
>>2465071that paris encirclement is player tier metagaming kek, i thought ai was never supposed to propose such terms because of "would leave too fractured" bs penalty there really should be some cases when ai actually moves the capital
>>2465071>Spanish Portugal>Aragon still alive>Kyiv blobbing>Turks blunted by grossSerbiaevery time
>>2465079Yeah France got totally nation ruined. Other than Paris area and a naval governor in La Rochelle they have zero proximity. England itself has no proximity on France mainland, except for around Calais.Pic related is the situation 200 years later. France made some minor gains but the situation is mostly unchanged. They've fought a bunch of wars against one another so functionally the Hundred Years war has been ongoing this entire time. Should be noted that France is senior partner in a PU with that giga-Normandy, who actually has a higher tax base than France (882-576) because of how fucked France's control is. As a side note, Normandy is 94% Norman culture because they converted all of Brittany.
>>2465103Forgot pic
>>2465099*kiev
>>2465104Prussia just looks wrong without Silesia.
why can't the Ottomans be red? why do they keep giving them this shitty green colour?
>>2465111muslims get greenbritish get redsimple as
>>2465110Funny you should mention this.90%+ peace deal for like one and a half province is why I didn't do it sooner. Plus Bohemia having strong allies.
>>2465116Did you use threaten war?
>piss off peasants so no levies>now everyone's massively disloyal>they are completely ignoring my professional armythis game is comically badzero thought in anything
>>2465125>be retarded>country falls apart>UHHHH FIX UR GAEM????
>>2465127Justify to me why an otherwise loyal vassal would suddenly start entertaining ideas of independence because their overlord can't raise levies which haven't been used in hundreds of years.
>>2465129>overlord unable to defend himself (and therefore cannot defend their subjects)>hmmm, why are we giving him a bunch of our money again?
>>2465130>they are completely ignoring my professional army>levies which haven't been used in hundreds of years.are you illiterate
>>2465131>arguing with a very clear and obvious trollyou're as dumb as the people responding to "mana good actually" posts
>>2465122did not know how strong that wasBut still, if I didn't care about larp borders I'd just blob into Bohemia proper
>>2465142
>>2465138DURR U MUS B A TROL D:
>>2465144You've already got too much of Poland and Lithuania.
>>2465152He could be going for third partition Prussia instead of post-Napoleon Prussia.Lithuania is inexcusable though
>>2465063this isn't to mention your own fucking vassals can take it from you
>>2465152>>2465155I'm not going strictly for original Prussia borders but also won't go for ugly totally gamey stuff like snaking Bohemian silver mines. I will probably go more into Poland at some point if only because it makes sense to put local governor in that general vicinity for the Silesian land. Lithuania came with inheriting the Teutons through event. It looks nice though. Some great "VGH" aesthetics
>>2465152lebensraum ftwgermans would be able to erase the remaining baltic peoples if not for the meddling russians
>>2465155>Kijówkek
>>2465161You started as Brandenburg? Do you have Willy's dynasty?
>>2465155Fat prussia with warsaw just looks wrong.
>>2465168I stayed as the Wittelsbachs, mostly to avoid the pain of having all my laws reset by the PU with Bohemia. Ironically it happened anyway from Bavaria like 3 months before I managed to take seniority.
>>2465180>Wittelsbachsscum
>>2465180>the pain of having all my laws reset by the PU with BohemiaNot played much with PUs, what? PUs change all your laws?
>>2465184One of the PU laws you can pass is to align the legislatures which forces every junior partner to adopt the laws/policies of the senior partner. Needless to say, this is a very annoying thing to experience 50-60 years into a campaign and without proper laws you can't really hit the optimal money/control/tech snowballing portion of the game, or at least it's substantially harder and slower.
>>2465190Always thought that was just flavor tech to mark a cooldown step before you could pass the next reform.
Across the pillars will save the game. Reforming the visigoths and carthage with their own "roman vs x" value slider which enables legions or war elephants will save the game.Johan WON
playing modded byz with 350 unique advances and a bunch of government reforms and everything has spoiled me. I need more autists of that caliber to make things for different regions
Johan is a NIGGER! :D
Do Swedes say Yo-han or Joe-han?
We community members have been listening to the outrage, the bad faith accusations that the Devs were just stupid, and the smug predictions of doom and gloom for months now to our ears' content - and the Devs have been listening too - and this is why Ambitions and colonization are being pushed a year so they can cook it better because they know the community's patience is strained.Am I happy about it? No. Am I throwing a fit about it? Neither. Because it demonstrates that the Devs listen.I have nothing against fair criticism about issues with EU5. I have my share of them too. But I love the concepts behind EU5 and it's Victoria 3 all over again, except that instead of the pawn-pushers complaining that they can no longer push their little virtual armies on the map, now it's the map-painters and ThePlaymaker of this world who complain that they cannot own half of Eurasia by 1600 on max speed anymore.we have to admit some posters will never, never be happy with EU5 unless they have it their way to becoming a glorified Risk game to conquer the world and meta their way to a win, and they'll relentless poison the forums here, on Steam, on Reddit to let us know their displeasure - and the rest of us have to sit and hear all about it. Guess what, it's also our god-given right as consumers and participants to say that okey, we've heard enough, that at the end of the day it's just a game and the Devs are doing their best.Same as with EU3, when for the first time EU stopped being about being a board game with predictable, pre-ordained monarchs and cores directing every single game and instead going for something more organic. The reactionary pushbacks were there, but not as foam-in-the-mouth as nowadays.Clearly, the non map-painters are still playing the game and having fun, and there's a consensus that 1.3, while not be all there yet, is on the correct path. So, why pronosticking that EU5 will be pulled the plug on in 2027, when clearly the Devs are invested?
i will never understand the parasocial relationship people develop with companies whose products they buy where they feel they have to defend them from the bulliesimagine working at mcdonalds and someone starts shit talking them, you wouldn't say "are they the most nutritious? probably not, but for a quick, inexpensive treat they can't be beat, that's why im proud to say i AM lovin' it, and i won't stop lovin' it just because a few hotheads tell me not to"
>>2465108*kijów
>>2465211Yo-han
>>2463513>spend weeks fine tuning the balance of a bunch of nations>johan snorts a line of coke and randomly changes every formula for every feature 7 times in 10 days>all your work is ruinedThats apparently putting all of the big mods off
>Found towns for free with this one simple trick!Kek not played in months, these estate interactions are fucking busted
>>2465275It's putting the small mods off tooI can't be bothered to update my personal mod that fixes 20 different problems with the game because they keep patching every file, I end up doing free QA for paradox and wonder why I paid money to work instead of being paid to work
>>2465285the rip out all nobility buildings is good too even though it causes heavy civil war but it reduces nobility shitters power heavily
The fact that conquering lands with high wealth makes you poorer is still retarded.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/im-quite-frustrated-by-the-recent-news-regarding-ambitions-and-colonization-being-pushed-so-far-back.1935927/page-3#post-31454588>this is the kind of feedback tinto is seeing when they monitor the forumsthis is some berlin 1945 shit, it's fucking over for this game
How do i get 100 Communalism or 100 to any Value i want?
Ohhh so to push Value to 100 i need to have it 1.00.
>>2465337getting natural +1 on anything other than mercantilism is pretty hardyou push to around 70 with cabinet action and privileges/reforms and push with events from there
>>2465335just push it with cabinet actions and privileges etc and take events that push it
>>2465338>>2465339The system is absolutely fucking retarded. How do i get 1.00 Defensive or Quality like ever? I also understand early game restrictions and etc... but holy fuck do they need to rebalance the policies.
>>2465335You can push communalism pretty easily during the plague situation if you pick the right options, unless they changed that since I last played
>>2465348Bro i want Centralization, Inward and Quality and Defensive 100 too.
>>2465343the game is 500 years long for a reasonif you don't understand what values represent, you can always just use console
>>2465352Wait for events and pick your privileges based on your goals. This is literally like half of the "gameplay" in this game so if you aren't enjoying it then you'd better quit while you're ahead.
>>2465330heh this heavily downvoted post from 3rd page of this random discussion is such a slam dunk I need to share this in reddi I mean 4chan immediately!>>2465335Some values are easy to push others very difficult. It mostly comes down to picking the privileges and government reforms that support the idea, disabling anything that opposes it and applying the wizard action to shift values which can usually do another +0.2. Some things get regular boosts with parliament land/naval can be pushed with flat parliament values while stuff like innovative/spiritual/defense have pretty frequent +0.5 monthly while the debate is ongoing options you can use. Use those to push it as far as it goes and then rely on either estate agendas and random events which also give flat shifts towards some values for the rest.Communalism in particular is one of the easiest one to push, lots of just straight up good options that you want most of the time give it so it's not all that hard to max out very early and should be the first thing you do since it lets you unfuck your estates for cheaper.
>>2465352Centralization is easy to max through events/parliament stuff (but that's something you probably won't achieve until the mid game). The others really aren't and you'd have to go out of your way for it. 100 is supposed to be the absolute extreme and not something you can attain by clicking a button. The entire design philosophy is to take EU5's idea groups and make them something that is omnipresent and gradual over the entire game rather than a binary choice (the exception being absolutism vs. liberalism). You'll probably get there eventually if you push to the soft cap with proper estate privileges/laws and then always go that way with events.
>you are now aware they will soon add a "push value 10 in any direction you want" on a 10 year cooldown to appease impatient dopamine addicted zoomers who want their entire county minmaxed by 1400>this will cost political influence mana
>>2465364Vicky 2 won
>>2465356so true and valid my fellow tintobro
>>2465364If you had more policies like Quality inspections for 0.10 Quality with Army Drill privilege for 0.15 Quality or Road Quality for 0.5 Quality we wouldnt be on that problem but when the game has only source 0.10 quality it's kinda fucking pointless not to mention the small chance event to get it
>>2465374quality is actually easy to push quantity isn't and it's pretty annoying because quantity is significantly better especially if you go for that serfdom+quantity reform
>>2465375Same is with Defensive. They need overhaul that system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOq-Qt_zuvk
>>2465343you dont need 1 you can just push towards it with 0.1, retard
>>2465380why are you so aggressively retarded?are you brown?
>>2465383if you are fuckiing RNG god you dip shit You can easily set 1.00 Centralization and after it's 100 you can push all values to 0.10. >>2465384Nah you are just fucking retarded lol.
>>2465380The game is far too easy already, it should be harder to push values than it is now, not easier.
>>2465386>no ui'll take that as a yes
>>2465387They should remove all values from the game
>>2465389but where are those good old fashioned values on which we used to rely?
tinto is fake only johan is realryagi is a rogue claude instance
>>2465396only issue i have with this theory is that solo modders using ai are more productive and rational than tinto/johan
>>2465396Finally a reasonable explanation for why the entire studio needs to vacation at the same time
>>2465397johan only has access to the free version of chatgpt and he refuses to make an account so he has to start from scratch each time
>>2465352>Defensive 100Why would you want your armies made of paper?
>>2465406Defensive doesn't do that though
>>2465409It actually doesn't lol, maybe I just assumed it did since offensive is retarded.
>>2465412Offensive vs. Defensive is basically "do I really really want 10% siege ability, or do I prefer to save some money on forts"
>>2465413I just really don't like that offensive lowers fort defense.
>>2465417would you say that you find it offensive?
Got a factory of 70+ skill artists producing nothing but locally know SLOP
>>2465426and you're selling all that crap to the pope?
>>2465413defensive is pointless in singleplayer
>>2465428I fucking wish but he's a bum
>>2465364nobody tell this guy about gravel road networks parliament issue
>>2465285just use parliament it's far better, and once that stops being efficient enough you should be making enough bank that the estate money is irrelevant
>>2465400>he refuses to make an accountperhaps i've judged him too harshly...
>>2465455>just use rng
wtf johan promised be if i boughted it'd be 2017 againwhere the fuck is my hairline?
First time ever in almost 200h that I've seen the AI form Russia.
Tsarat Russe, what the hell is that?
>>2465518Tsardom of Russia
>>2465511xyiv in pieces, very cool
Are the Hussite wars supposed to end immediately, like a day after beginning?
>>2465511why are you french
>>2465536I don't think he is because filename is in english and the eu5 translation is abysmal so no one sane would play with it on.
>>2465537perchance he's just learning french and he views a game he spends hours on as a bon way to do that
Does this game just get more and more unbalanced over time?
apparently they're adding tariffs/subventions, but what does that matter when every market everywhere at all times has a surplus of every good?the whole tariff/subvention system works in victoria 3 because different markets actually do produce different things, shithole countries produce more raw resources due to arable land and high pops, and industrialized western countries turn those goods into things like clothes and furniturejust blindly tacking on the victoria 3 system without the underlying economic differences between markets won't produce anything
trade automation ONpress build building button that has the most +greensometimes build marketplaceeconomy SOLVED
>Added search bars in various places, including the Tech tree. It can be used to look for a specific unlock, for example if you want to find all technologies that provide a bonus to MAPI.This should be in eu5 but for some reason paradox studios hate cooperation.
>>2465620that literally already existsdare i say, YHNPTG
>>2465620Who are you quoting? What's a mapi?
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/why-is-european-naval-technology-accessible-to-every-nation.1938010/>Someone asks the bad guy chud question about why nonwhites get access to European naval units>*Uhmmm akshully indians had better naval technology than Europe!*This is why eu5 is fucked
>>2465661obviously a victoria 3 DDMAPI is the system victoria 3 uses to represent market accessit's considered desirable because if you have 100% MAPI every single state has prices based fully on the market totalso for example, if you produce 0 fruits in 49 states but 6 million fruits in california then every single state will still have low prices for fruits, because california is providing enough fruits for the entire nationat 90% MAPI then 90% of the price of fruits comes from the overall market, but 10% comes from local prices, so while the abundance of fruits in california will drag down the price they still won't be able to send enough fruits to texas, and as such the price there will be higher
>>2465668>>*Uhmmm akshully indians had better naval technology than Europe!*the fuckeven the most deranged eurocentrism-complainers don't attempt to argue the turd world had better ships than portugal
>>2465668forums are so captured by third world revisionists it's not even funny i still remember that subhuman obsessed with alaskan tribes getting his way in vic3 and the last time i checked they pulled even more nonsense with australiai really don't understand why eu5 attracted so many wakanda enthusiasts to eu
>>24656751. Devs hired Grandi to do cultures.2. Chinks are 50% of the playerbase now, gone are the days where everything East of Ottomania is random shit that exists just to be conquered by evopa (as it should be)
>paratroons be like: uhhhhhm maybe it happened historically, but europeans in tights and puffy shirts decimating brown militaries was LUCK, so it shouldn't happen in game>meanwhile
any reason not to spam crown power bonuses whenever possible? Like favor the ruler, counting houses etc, those government reforms?
>The celebrated heroics of the tiny Portuguese garrison, led by Duarte Pacheco Pereira, fended off an invading army several hundred times bigger. It proved a humiliating defeat for the Zamorin of Calicut. He not only failed to conquer Cochin, but his inability to crush the tiny opposition undermined the faith of his vassals and allies. The Zamorin lost much of his traditional authority over the Malabar states of India in the aftermath. The preservation of Cochin secured the continued presence of the Portuguese in India.>Overall, the Battle of Cochin lasted some five months – from March to July, with most of the assaults concentrated in early April and early May. The Zamorin's army, which started out at more than 60,000 strong, had suffered heavy casualties: 19,000 had died, over 5,000 in fighting and 13,000 to disease. Wounded were innumerable, ship losses numerous.>There are no reported deaths of any of the Portuguese defenders – although many were wounded. Casualties among the Cochinese allies are unknown, but they were also probably not that high, given the few numbers that were actually committed to battle.>portugese chads had a literal infinite K:D ratioThis makes nonwhites seethe immensely
>>2465681It has diminishing returns past 50% imo, also some of the things you can take instead tend to be better, like favoring the nobility.
>>2465671Something something that one chinese ship that was bigger than the Portuguese ship and they couldn't even sink it >>2465682I was checking the Goa area the other day and I was surprised to find that India didn't change the portuguese names of some places and there is even a city named Vasco da Gama.
>>2465695You'd love Hong Kong.
>>2465697I am not good with spicy food.
>>2465668I read that entire thread and you seriously have schizophrenia if that's your conclusion about the forums. Most posts are agreeing and saying the game should be more Eurocentric, or saying it's complicated but would have to be more in depth to model things accurately. The post you seem to be mad about is some guy saying:>The game happens too early to sim special European technology, maybe if it began 100 years later things would look more in favour of the Europeans but technology like eyeglasses becoming increasingly accurate over the 1400s started to solidify European advantages.>In 1337 India had access to comparable sailing technology if not better, while Chinese ships were able to be significantly larger and more stable, there's a very special set of circumstances that seem to push Europe to being the technological innovators and start to diverge over the 1500s which aren't really present.>That and balance is seemingly decided by multiplayer rules...I don't know if this is true but it's hardly implausible. European naval tech advanced extremely rapidly over the next few centuries as Europeans gained an edge in just about everything. I still don't think this guy made an insightful post in the context of the thread (as there's no reason why different countries/cultures having different tech trees can't handle that case) but what the fuck are you on about.
>>2465708>Indians had better naval tech than EuropeLol
>>2465708irl europe, mediterranean = small shipsirl indian ocean, east asia = big shipseu 5 = everyone has only mediterranean galleys:))
>>2465709>>2465714you blooody pakistani banchod dalit mother fucker i fuck your mother and father gujurat RAPE pakistan
>>2465681this >>2465689 and the opportunity costprivileges aren't your enemyburghers are stacked with good privileges nobles have some good stuff too
As the Ilkhan I always favor nobles because nobles represent my mongol clans whom I rely on for power very excited for the estate army system I hope to empower them as much as possible
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>>2465681Crown power suffers from diminishing returns due to stacking, at least so long as you are increasing it with the same modifier (namely the +crown power % boost). The first +100% you get is much more impactful than the next +100% while the second 100% is also harder to get. Any extra crown power is still always useful but the trade off to getting it may not be worth while. For instance Autocracy and Royal Decree which are the first generic crown power government reforms that you may think might be worth picking up just aren't all that good actually. The 10% you gain from those could be gained by making a single ship and putting your ruler in command as an admiral for instance which gives 25%. Meanwhile you lose the much better stuff you could be getting from those reform slots like pushing values you want or getting useful estate related bonuses. You should treat crownpower as a currency of sorts, if you have lots of it you can "spend" it by getting a bonus that you would otherwise have to skip. The distribution of power law is good example. Favor the ruler gives +33% crown power but the -5% estate satisfaction is just a really bad penalty especially early on. if you have few sources of crown power it's probably better than traditional distribution but once you have couple modifiers from somewhere else you are actually better off just sticking with traditional distribution. Favoring the elites or wealthy in particular are also almost always better options because they let you tax the chosen estate harder which is useful if you can cap out that estates taxes. So even though the crown power is tempting it's actually typically the worst option for that particular law. The rights of X laws have similar drawbacks in picking the one that just favors the crown, buildings have a monetary cost and upkeep, government reforms are limited by slots etc.
>>2465768I nearly always build the crown power buildings wherever possible, they give a far higher return in Crown Power than any of the privileges or laws and the upkeep is just economic stimulus
>>2465759soul
I'll guess i try out Serbia. Again...
>>2465877take constantinople so you can be in the italian wars
>>2465842I am being a bit historically inaccurate and re-mongolizing/de-persianizing. More religious freedom, staying a horde, court language as Mongolian, etc.
>>2465881Can you do a minority noble culture rule in the game as it is now? I saw that estates have cultures/religion but I haven't played the game in a while and I'm not sure how much influence you can have on it.The only campaign I've played where I felt kinda fulfilled with a minority culture rule was a Knight into Jerusalem run, then used the cabinet action to create a hybrid Outremer culture there from French-Levantine and it massively help out to rule the region with the decreased culture capacity reduction.
>>2465837They are pretty good but they aren't going to be economical in comparison to actual economy buildings until lot later except in your key cities. Like you probably want them asap in your 5 highest control cities or town but anything beyond that has typically pretty marginal returns until later in comparison to a good green number go up building. You can however analyze it yourself by hovering over the crown power tooltip and checking where it's actually coming from. Any significant source of crown power should get these local crown power buildings since they stack multiplicatively with the overall crown power modifier. But it's not worth putting them in 0 proximity towns or something. If you want to merely stimulate demand get libraries, granries or armories instead.>>2465883Theoretically yes but practically no because assimilation work acrsoss the board and peasants assimilate fastest. You can however get a minority religion estates since it's possible to blanker block estate conversions. Estates can be off different culture but it's not practically possible to spread your mongol nobility anywhere where they didn't start out in without spreading your mongol peasantry there too. >how much influence you can have on it.The religion can be influenced but basically it just means that if you blob a lot then your estates swap to hostile culture which gives additional penalties until you culturally convert.
How do we unlock the having more sex tech so our rulers can have more than three children...
>>2465888Submit to Allah
>>2465888divorce
>>2465888If you are catholic it's extremely important that you either prestige max so you can get reliable divorces or hag max so that hopefully your wife dies when you are old so you can get a new wife.
>>2465895>hag max so that hopefully your wife dies when you are old so you can get a new wife.So up to 26 yo for a new wife? I say this because I remember a patch lowering the chances of a woman over 30 having children, I knew the prestige strat but I didn't think of looking for an older wife
>Guelphs and Ghibellines Nothing ever happens>Western SchismNothing ever happens>Italian WarsNothing ever happensI thought Italy was supposed to be fun now
>>2465908Western Schism is the biggest offender. Is just a prestige drain.
>>2465908>Italian Warssomething happens but only if you're the player and you rush as fast as you can
>>2465908>Johan vivecoding anything competentlyLol
>>2465908Italian wars was an absolute thunderdome for me as Netherlands in my last game so no idea what you mean by this. Majors were in near constant wars during the entire time.
>>2465922I'm just sat chilling as Tuscany and 20 years into the Italian Wars and the only notable conflict was Two Sicilies and Spain locked in a stalemate over Arborea
>>2465925As a player you can obviously stonewall the whole thing. When you say Tuscany you probably mean el blobbo Tuscany with a strong alliance network and if you aren't participating then what do you expect to happen.
>>2465922The only thing that moves the needle in Italian wars is the player. If any AI wins it they don't get shit out of it, because they can't exploit the benefits. Go ahead, show me a single screenshot of French/Spain/HRE winning the Italian wars and having land in italy proper.
>>2465928I'm avoiding blobbing I'm not even powerful enough to be a league leader. Milan is the leader of my league and they aren't doing anything
>>2465908Nah, Italian wars are fun when you're in Italy. You get an easy CB, can expand rapidly and the tension meter is a nice addition, especially when it resets the truce between everyone. My only issue with it is that if you aren't able to get 200 locations, you basically win nothing. Which is stupid when your faction already controls most of Italy.
>>2465935It's not fun. It's just collecting more modifiers aka power creep. Once you unify all of Italy, the game is over. Because colonizing or expanding further is boring and useless
>>2465935>My only issue with it is that if you aren't able to get 200 locations, you basically win nothing.It's kinda supposed to end up a in stalemate, it rewarding you nothing (except all the free land you just got) if you fail to blob enough is good.
>>2465935I don't mind the win condition being very concrete as that creates a goal and a reason not to ignore the mechanic. But I do think the way the AI changes leagues is outright broken: in my France game I had Milan and Naples as junior partners in a PU, both """diplomatically limited""" and with 100+ opinion, and the Pope as an ally with 200 opinion. But all of them would leave my league at literally the first possible opportunity, as in within a week after the action was enabled for them, to join fucking Arborea. IMO it should end when one side reaches a critical point, holds for a short period, and isn't at war with any other league leader. That way you'd have an incentive to be constantly politicking rather than just blobbing and gaming wars/invite dates to ensure your junior partners/allies don't bail at the last second.
>>2465940In my milan game I had 250 locations barely 30 years in and had to wait 21 years because of the retarded hard time requirement.
>>2465940further proof none of this shit is ever playtested
>>2465945Yeah I had the same experience as Milan, and the entire time France/Austria (not Spain for some reason, but I'm sure it happens in some campaigns) were deccing me every 5 years just to get curb stomped on bad terrain and then peaced out for cash. It got to the point where Austria would be like +20 for accepting white peace on the same day they declared war: they're basically railroaded into do it by the game. I suspect this is also why some of the large scale wars you see as an outsider are basically just fake news and lead to zero changes: the AI doesn't actually want the land it's declaring war for but is semi-hardcoded into declaring it anyway.
>>2465949This is why I said it's a dogshit system due to Johan being an actual retard who doesn't know how AND OR IF works with basic scripting
>>2465935They're fun when you're in italy because it's a thunderdome of random wars and eu5's shitty 25 year truces get invalidated by the hoi4 tension barOutside of italy it's a bit less fun because you're basically just picking on helpless shitters, and the other foreign powers keep declaring wars on shit they can't even conquer. Like castile attacking savoy for some mountains it can't reach.The most fun way to play as a foreign league is probably to fight Naples head-on with faction buddies since they're the strongest, if they manage to get the pope in too it becomes a real war.
>>2465951Even inside Italy it's barely fun thobeit, mostly a slog and then you get some OP modifier and a free governor
>Challenge for circle leadership>Why not, I've not tried the new HRE mechanic yet>Endless neverending gibsmedat spamNice
>>2465934>grossOttomaniums>two sicilies>centralized France>Bohemia in its cuck cage where it belongsThe game is improving and I'm tired of pretending it's notNow all we need is to get Portugal reliably unraped, cuckcage Kiev and railroading Habsburg takeover of Bohemia and rise of Burgundy
>>2465984problem with keeev in this patch is that Lithuania somehow gets absolutely wrecked by Teutonic Order every game, so there's nobody around to conquer it.Sometimes you get a groBsmolenskums that keeps it in check though.
At the end of the day, I just don't enjoy this game, but can't go back to eu4. >>2465984Castrate memeluks as well.
Memelukes and superkiev will always exist in eu5 because of forum seethers. It's never been more over
>>2465645You can search for technology names, not effects. If you want your extra wizard you need to look through the tree to find that tech.
UHMMMMM AKSHULLY KIEV WAS STRONG DESPITE BEING RAPED FOR 300 YEARS>T paradox forum retard faggots
oh here we go againi love reruns
>>2466024KYIEV!
According to paracucks self hating whites>European shipyards in the most part weren't even formatted in the 15th century, there's very few nations who even had proper shipyards in Europe and were building from purpose built temporary slips built in estuaries meanwhile South Asians had extensive shipyards servicing and constructing for the monsoon wind traffic, various things like Gujurati merchantmen, Jong, Pattamar and the famous Baochuan from China pushing trade westward for heaps of silver.>You can take Niccolo di Conti's thoughts on the matter who claimed that Indian ships were both larger and more sturdy than Italian ships when writing in 1420-1421 during his exploration and documenting of AsiaThis is what killed eu5 btw
Why do self hating whites sabotage games about the era when 100 fags from Portugal or the Netherlands absolutely dominated brown nations? Who knows!
Listen, brown indians had better ships. It was just LUCK that Europeans absolutely defenestrated brown militaries with 5 boats
truly insightful posts, jimbo, really contributing to the discussion by seething about a discussion that ended 17 hours ago
>>2466037Kek
>>2466037Guy got blown out in the forums again, he will be seething here for days with this garbage.
you misunderstand, i hate indians, i just hate people who performatively shit up my vidya thread with americanized race-bait shiti don't want to hear some southern baptists' sheltered incel son whine about the huwhite race you might be surprised to learn that to europeans who actually have cultures and identities it's extremely pathetic, especially when espoused by genetic failures
>>2466045Kek least obvious shitskin
>>2466041Samefag desu
>white European should dominate the era when 100 Portuguese conquered the worldYes
Brown fragility
Lel
>>2466053Lower than Vicky 3, which is harsh I think
>>2466056Well clearly the brown eu5ers are mad
>>2466053>>2466056Last good game was Victoria 2.
>>2466062Hoi3*
>>2466063Victoria 2 was released after HoI3, zoom-zoom.
>>2466069The fuck? No it wasnt. Hoi2 and darkest hour were around until hoi3
>>2466069Reminder these are the brown retards talking about gsg when they don't even know when games released btw. Hoi2 and the expansions were out before hoi3 and vicky2
>>2466069Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010 how you gonna cope retard nigger
>>2466069victoria 1 was released before victoria 2 you fucking moron
>>2466069Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010
>>2466069Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010. Brown faggot retard
>>2465974wait for the HRE dlc
>>2466069Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010You subhuman retard faggot
indians had better ships and had knightly levies and guns at the same time europeans did
>>2466069Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010Lol kys
>>2466069No, Victoria 2 was released in 2010, Hearts of Iron 3, the popular WW2 themed battle game was released in 2009. Here's a few reasons you may have been mistaken on this:Cognitive Decline:Aging people or people struggling with brain injuries may show impaired or more nuanced mental faculties, this can effect the way you think about things.Poor EductationAccess to education isn't universally available, and some people with low or limited access to schools or other learning facilities may find themselves struggling with basic time based questions such as this.If you need any more help with any more clarification on the release date of world war 2 battle games I'm here to help!
>>2466069rangeban indiaprobably using some retarded calendar based on vishnu or some shit
>>2466069Waiting for you dogshit nigger reply retardHoi3 2009 vicky2 2010
>>2466069Cmon retard waitingHoi3 2009 vicky2 2010
>>2466069You already got blown out on this.
>hoi3 was a good gameand your 10 hours of playtime shows it.
>>2466069Why you so quiet now retard-nigger?Hoi3 2009 vicky2 2010
>>2466069You have never played the game.
>>2466069Imagine being this retarded and a niggerHoi3 2009 vicky2 2010
>>2466069I think what anon meant was that HoI3 wasn't released UNTIL Victoria 2. Honestly no idea though, maybe he's just a retard.
>>2466069These are the sort of people who built Indian ships btw
uh oh, retard alert
>>2466069Bruhcringe moment
>>2466069I hope you kill yourself
>>2466069>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_calendarDo you people really use this shit?
>>2466069more brownsplaining stinky
>>2466069Imagine being this retard
what causes this kind of mental illness?
>>2466069Darkest Hour was built on the HoI2 engine, but it actually released after HoI3. Of course, I don't expect an Indian whose village only got a computer in 2022 to know this.
>>2466111
>>2466111Lol, hilarious you finally get the courage to post again, only you're not replying to any of the people BTFOing you.
>>246611130 people told you are a retard lel
>buh buh buh some brown people did the thingNot my problem
>>2465420I just laughed yesterday but I checked to day and pushing it to 100 gives -50% fort defense so yes, I find it very offensive.
I'm buying a prostitute hope y'all see me
are non-white prostitutes really cheaper
>>2465679proofs that hpm is a tinto employee now?
march of the eagles
more like march of the beagles that game is dog ahh
>>2466119You really don't need fort defense, I mean it's nice and all but practically it doesn't really matter how long AI takes to siege a fort when you are just going to use the fort to bait a defensive battle anyways. If you are unironically sitting behind forts with no real plan to fight the AI army then you are either in a real bad spot or you are larping as fortress georgia or swizz or something with stacked up enemy attrition (which I might add is absolutely hilarious). The army move speed and assault ability in particular but siege ability and logistics distance are all fantastic modifiers you just never want to give up if you ever plan to actually fight wars. I guess defense is fine if you never really plan to fight but want to be ready in case the AI does declare on you but even then it's kinda mid.
>>2466145not proof
>hpm ceases development around the same time as eu5 development starts>his last posts are cryptic "gunna have big work to do soon, might not be able to do much more on the mod..." posts>hpm was THE mod for victoria 2 back then, and johan has said victoria 2 was a big inspiration for many of the systems in EU5you'd have to be a northwest forest bantoid not to see it
>>2466145this was probably done with claude
I need brown ppl to exist for my larp
the maps don't even look the same. your argument is what? only grandi would spam a ton of cultures all over africa? go look at the tinto maps and you'll find 20 people sperging out that they didn't make it even more granular
you don't understand man, you weren't theregrandi adding a billion african culture was our 9/11victoria 2 was the only game we could still play on our sudaca craptops, that's why it still had such relevance after more demanding games like ck2, eu4, and hoi4 came outgrandi wasting valuable dev time on n*ggers that literally made the game unplayable for us was the death of grand strategy, the wound has closed but the scar remains
I don't see the point of adding so many cultures when 1 court wizard will just assimilate them all in a few years anyway.
because the alternative is making them "south african bantoid" and that's a big no no to left wing freaks
wouldn't that make them a strong culture like how mongol is inexplicably strong
it's not about whether the culture is strong or not (african minors were superpowered in pre grandeleven liqqy) it's about showing how little you care for third world brown people
>>2466111Lack of thread IDs
>>2466145Tell me of the Xuukhoe people
if only we had usernames...
>>2466145>open Europa Universalis>custom nation editor>Fill South America/Africa with small countries >ancient greek or parthian culture>pick one>unleash a comfy battle royale Gamer time.
>>2466174Most posts being 1 minute apart makes it very obvious it's just one guy tho.
Bros I just scammed an Asian masseuse by letting her play with my knob and was expecting 100$ but I just walked out without paying. I used the money for weed and chicken and pepsi instead. Nations for this feel?
>>2466212>Nations for this feelFrance
I don't undestand the HRE elections mechanics, I am not an elector but there is a button in the HRE interface that allows me to start a round of votes? Then the elections started and it showed that I voted for my candidate? Also I got enough votes despite insulting the electors and bricked my game but why is this a thing?
>>2465908>Hussite wars>War doesn't even fire most of the time
I played as Pooland and ate K*iv. Russia naturally formed afterwards from Muscovy. In other words Russia doesn't form because Ky*iv is OP and the poor AI cannot deal with them. Just like irl but 600 years early.
>>2466322Kijow*
keef
>>2466053game is mixed because of IQ filtered browns, white people know this game is good and will keep playing it and buying dlc to support tinto and future development of the game
>>2466178reddit bros.....
>>2466062Victoria 2 sucked
Crusader Kings 3 was released after Europa Universalis 4
>>2466056vic3 was engoodened once they added companies and global tradeeu5 is yet to click the same way
>>2466428I think Victoria 3 benefit from being far more conservative in scope. At release the only region with real content was western europe, spain did!'t even have the civil war,Austria functioned no different from Prussia or France.
>>2466432I will say it againEU should be two separate games. One from [your preferred start date] to 1648, and one from 1648 to 1836
>declare war on SLAVA UKRVANIUMS KEEEVUM >outnumber them like 5 to 1>it's irrelevant because levies have different sizes despite all taking up the same frontage (?)>they are smaller so their levies have larger manpower per frontage>they are able to fight me 5 to 1 in every battle despite me outnumbering them because frontage does not work as a mechanic>stackwiped and lose 10-1 every timenow i now how putler feels lmao wars in this game are so laughably fucked until you have your max frontage heavy cav death stack to instawin
skill issue
turns out you can consolidate the levies into larger units per frontage woooooow
>>2466433Probably an unpopular opinion but I really like the 500-year timescale for EU5. It makes me feel like I am really building my nation from the ground up to modern standards. I think the "click" moment for EU5 will be when they finally nail the institution/tech spread so you can finally get more realistic outcomes and get real divergences between countries. Not just different colored blobs that are on the same page.
>>2466433I think the biggest flaw is that unlike previous paradox titles Johan who started as slightly modified bare-bones versions of their precedessors Johan tried to go well and beyond EU4.EU5 should probably have started with as many or less tags and provinces than EU4, not many times more. Flesh out the core first, then work with the centre.
>>2466447> biggest flaw is that Johan tried to go well and beyond EU4.Not a flaw, completely reasonable and necessary to even consider making (and buying) a new game instead of just focusing on another eu4 DLC that feels just a like a mod. >EU5 should probably have started with as many or less tags and provinces than EU4, not many times more.Having a high location/provinces number is the only redeeming factor of EU5, I am not exaggerating, everything else is shit. Everything. It is laughable that you think the number should be less than eu4 and even worse when we remember that tinto devs think the same as you.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-120-decisions-content-tab.1938201/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-120-decisions-content-tab.1938201/Decisions are back, we can build the Suez canal again
>>2466455>we can build the Suez canal againsuch a retarded idea
>>2466455Took them long enough. Now for their retarded content designers to move half the DHE to decisions so the game isn't ass to play
>>2466452>Not a flaw, completely reasonable and necessary to even consider making (and buying) a new game instead of just focusing on another eu4 DLC that feels just a like a mod.You can be as ambitious as you want as long as you know what additions are good and which ones are bad and how to manage to increased complixity it leads to. Johan clearly didn't.>Having a high location/provinces number is the only redeeming factor of EU5, I am not exaggerating, everything else is shit. Everything. It is laughable that you think the number should be less than eu4 and even worse when we remember that tinto devs think the same as you.Starting not staying that way. Maybe if they actually spent time considering how changes affect smaller states but they clearly don't. How long was incessant mercenary spam a problem because they forgot OPMs end up with infinite amounts of money?
>>2466456actually chuddy the suez canal was the number one requested feature according to our internal data
>>2466458>bing bing wahoo>you pressed the "throne of france belongs to you button">ting ting ting>you are now the Plantagenet Empirino Numero Uno!!!!>+10000000000% discipline>+10000000000000% manpower>press the "Legacy of Charlemagne" button>bing bing wahoo, cores on half of europe are granted to youheckin AWESOMESAUCE my fellow dudettes!!!!!
>>2466455>Suez canal start date in 1450>>2466463Everything that you say they shouldn't do could have been done by launch if they didn't decide to be incompetent retards, if they couldn't "manage increased complexity" after, what, three years of development? and another one after release date, then they will never be able to make a proper game, which is clearly the case.
>>2466455>Suez canalsThe game wants to be Victoria 3 so bad. Why can't they just admit that building a canal in this time period was simply impossible with their tech
>>2466469Or they could let you renovate the Canal of the Pharaohs, but put limits on it like only allowing shallow hulled ships to pass. It doesn't have to be a modern, concrete canal.
>>2466469https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_of_the_Pharaohs
>>2466469It's not like it was unpredesentet for the time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_du_Midi
>>2466458that's exactly what they are doing BTW
>>2466468Using modular design doesn't make you a retard, anon.
>>2466477It sure showed me they are fucking retards. I can notice that every time I open the game.
>>2466475Hmmm yes surely a ship of the line could float down this
>>2466472it's incredible how islam singlehandedly put middle east into a state of constant decay
>>2466478But they didn't use modular design, they designed it as one unitary whole. Everything must work or nothing does.
>>2466480It also completely severed the regions pre-islamic ties. The last references to gilgamesh occured shortly after the islamic conquest.
Whoopsies, silly moment! Teehee
>>2466455Regardless of whether you think its a good or bad thing no one can really deny the last 3 Tinto Talks have pretty much been "yeah uh... we're essentially making EU4 again".
>>2466501i have no hope in this game ever becoming good, but it will be fun to watch the most fanatical paracucks do a 180 degree pivot and start praising eu4s game design
>>2466455Decisions are a good inclusion, even if they seem to largely be a reskin of certain events that's still better because you can actually see requirements and plan accordingly (you can do that with events too but it's inconvenient and I'm sure plenty of people don't check it).Suez canal would maybe theoretically be buildable with an obscene level of investment but realistically should also be an Age VI tech. Panama canal is another matter: even with 1880s tech the French spent 7 years on it and failed. Hopefully they implement them as a "situation" where you have to organize a workforce and deal with disease and whatnot, with the understanding that the initial investment might be only a tiny fraction of the total cost, because 200k ducats to build a canal is laughably inexpensive for late game economies, for something as obscene as building the Panama canal with pre/early industrial technology.
>>2466507>Hopefully they implement them as a "situation" where you have to organize a workforce and deal with disease and whatnotfrom making eu4 again to making ck3 again...
>>2466504I for one just wanted decisions back
>>2466455>johan forced to admit DHEs were fucking retarded and removed all flavor from nationsBASED. this will unironically save the game. eu3bros we are so back
>>2466433>>2466445I agree with the 1648-1836 game idea, but the biggest issue for this in my opinion is that it would be şóÿ from the start.Think about it, the games have all sort of inherited the pre-SJW zeitgeist through their names alone.Victoria shows the game is supposed to be about European imperialism, even though V3 has many anachronous takes like Africa starting at 20% literacy.Europa Universalis shows the game is about Europe becoming global trade hegemons, despite EU4 and EU5 increasing the focus on the rest of the world shitholes.Crusader Kings shows the game was supposed to be able European feudal knights crusading for christendom, despite the game now being set in everywhere from Liberia to Papau New Guinea.A 1648-1836 game now would probably be called some bullshit like "Rise of the World" and be centered on Mughals, Benin, and Qing or some shit.
>>2466525europe was just lucky chud
Since we are here they should bring back pre-mission trees missions.
>>2466531I liked the randomly generated missions
>>2466433Two separate games is a bunch of redundant work. Just have two start dates, it's easier. Well that's what they're doing anyway, it's just a shame the new start date will definitely be in the 1400s, probably 1492, instead of closer to 1600
>>2466525You are mentally ill.
>>2466537Nah, that's a retarded idea and you are retarded for proposing it.EU as a game can barely represent either of those time periods properly.Two separate games would allow them to actually do things properly.
>>2466531>>2466532They should do it the imp rome ways and give you a bunch of missions with nonsense rewards.Conquer france, gain 5 granaries in your capital.
>>2466532Fuck no. I've a distinct memory of being 12 and reloading EU3 about 20 time to get the vassalize Scotland mission as England while the game kept insisting I throw myself at France.
>>2466557I remember spamming diplomats to gain an alliance (they later broke)
>>2466445I think this is only true in principle not in practice. The main problem is that to be epickc for 500 years the game sacrifices the most interesting parts (colonization, reformation, global trade) behind a 200 hour and 200 year wait until you get to have fun timer. If I play even semi competently then the game is largely wrapped up before any of this stuff gets to happen wishing I could actually get to play war of religions as it was intended, if not it's sitting at max speed waiting for time to pass wishing I was doing something else. The game just really lacks competent AI opponents and meaningful roadblocks to snowballing in the first 100 years which ruins large parts of the enjoyment one could get from repeated play troughs and I'm not particularly convinced that roadblocks would even help I suspect they would just increase the tedium in the early game. I just don't think the stuff the game gains from the first 100 or so years is worth having to play trough the first 100 years to access the rest repeatedly. Really now if I had some kind of monkeys paw and asked EU5 to be done again but this time better™ and the trade off was that it was made by EA isn't this exactly how they would design the game. I can already see it in my minds eye how the micro transaction store is asking me that for just 12.99 I can skip the first 100 years and just right into the middle of the fun!
>>2466445problem is that "building from the ground up" only takes about 100 years, and the start date is way too early as well, and the game goes by so fucking slow with hourly ticks and monthly/yearly tick lag, so by the time interesting world events happen you already won the playthrough 20 hours agoLike really, think of a country then think of a campaign goal for it, and you'll see why 500 years is pointlessAny italian country, your goal is form italy. Best way to do that, abuse G&G and Italian Wars to conquer the peninsula. You're done by 1500. You also probably have 5/5 hegemonies and the largest tax base in the world. What now?Ottoman empire, maybe you want to exceed historical borders and siege Vienna. Again you just blob in the 1300s, and simply by constructing buildings you easily have the world's largest economy and army by 1500, goal achieved. Then what?Russia, maybe you want to colonize all the way to the pacific. Well by the time you get there, your homeland will have 3000 tax base, so what's the point? You'll make 9999 ducats a month. Maybe you wait for Columbian Exchange just as a victory lap, fill Siberia with chili peppers and make 99999 ducats a month instead. But to be honest, you already won pre-1400 when you beat the golden horde and kiyev, there are no other threats after that.The game passes time way too slow which made them frontload the economy so players don't get bored, but this means the game progresses and snowballs too fast. it's the worst of both worlds, it's slow as fuck to play but way too fast to win.
>>2466588>it's the worst of both worldsthis is true about basically every gameplay feature in eu5. for example: war. it's both too easy (dogshit AI) and way too fucking tedious (warscore being a hard limit on conqests, so you need 10-50 wars to finally annex any non shitter nation)
>>2466580>uhmmm if I follow my heckin chudpilled jewtuber's #meta strat and tag and culture swap 7 times before 1400 then the game is too easy!!!!!!!!>n-no, I can't just roleplay as a nation!!!>I HAVE to blob like a developmentally challenged ape!!!!! >SHUT UP PLEASE GIVE ME A BUTTON THAT INSTANTLY ANNEXES HALF THE WORLD AND GIVES ME FREE CBS!!!!!!!!!
2466591lowest IQ in the thread award
>>2466591All you have to do is press some buttons and build RGOs and buildings to be desu. the AI doesn't do this so they fall behind the player. It's not that complicated. the AI assigns -5% production efficiency urban rights to all their cities and fills them with the wrong buildings, the AI doesn't expand RGOs, the AI doesn't prioritize iron and lumber. These aren't complex meta plays, it's just playing the game. EU5 AI is like if you coded a tic-tac-toe AI that passes its turn sometimes for no reason, or draws a triangle instead of O or X.
>>2466588Every paradox game has a "money doesn't matter" point after which it's unbalanced and often kinda boring to play. Problem for EU5 is with competent play you hit it very early relative to the game's timeline. In Vic 2 for instance by the 20th century you will usually have infinite money/resources and can do whatever you want, but that's 2/3rds through the game. For EU5 it can be more like 1/5th of the way through although playing smaller countries can set that back a bit. In both games once you hit that point you're constrained by manpower/population, which is good but often insufficient to be enjoyable.>nerf economic growth>increase price of fielding military units (especially levies); in particular I would love a mechanic where you have to spend money during peacetime to arm levies with actual modern equipment, rather than a single tech magically giving 200k peasants firearms at zero cost to the state>increase AI's propensity to field large armies, so a player who doesn't invest similar amounts will be constantly outnumbered and can't just """build tall""" by scaling exponentially like a 20th century boom economy while still maintaining a military edge on peer nationswould be a good start
>>2466603You'll be the first person crying about how the game is boring when they nerf that.
>>2466605Why would you draw that conclusion? I just want to be able to engage with EU5's actually-very-good-and-interesting mid-late game mechanics (e.g. exploration, Colombian exchange) under circumstances where I don't already have functionally infinite money just by urbanizing and upgrading profitable RGOs.
>>2466603The economy has a fundamental problem that none of these fix unfortunatelyTrade and markets simply cannot be managed manually past a certain point. Because the way trade works requires constant readjustment, and having more than one market becomes exponentially harder to manage the more you have, because the UI is not build to handle multiple markets.Example, pinning goods to the outliner only shows the stats for your capital market. want to check the target price of iron in market 2, that's like three or four clicks and a few nested tooltips deep. Nah can't be fucked.So the player always stops engaging with trade at some point, but trade is the whole point of the economic system in this game. It's the incentive to explore, conquer, colonize, enslave, open markets, etc. Basically the game is designed to make you stop playing it. This means the game stops reacting to what the player does, which is where fun comes from in a video game. So the game is programmed to destroy its own fun the longer you play it.All the other problems are downstream of this. like RGOs being overpowered or +75% iron production techs or infinity food or every market having every good: well, how else are you going to get a rich and powerful economy you can use to play the game? Trading? Nah that's too hard, so every market needs to allow full autarkyThis means every player country is giga rich by 1500 and the game is solved
>>2466612Even if trade is left fully automated you can still engage with it as a system and directly benefit from it, e.g. by developing colonies with extremely profitable RGOs, building industry for items like lacquerware and porcelain before competitors, mass producing certain goods that you have a huge relative advantage in. The problem is that all of those even if done to perfection result in marginal profit compared to the gameplay loop of "build more things and make them more efficient by tech." Nerfing the economy in general and making things more scarce would fix this and make engaging with things like trade more important.In a campaign I did as Italy for instance I secured a small Carribean colony of a handful of random islands and got them producing pepper, cocoa, cloves, etc. And it actually scaled up reasonably well (could've been better if the slave trade actually worked), earning me probably 1-200 ducats through trade in those goods. But obviously by that point it was a drop in the bucket of total income. And even if I were to scale that up with African/Asian/South American/… colonies it would still be maybe 10-20% of my income on the absolute high end and I'd have been better served investing that time and effort into just conquering more European land. But if it were much harder to grow the economy domestically then the entire calculation changes and suddenly those marginal gains become much more important.
>>2466627Yeah you do all that complicated configuring of your economy, then check the wealth tooltip and most of your economy is still iron, lumber, and other basic RGOs. If you have precious metals it's even more lopsided.
I think a big problem is that most areas should start out very built up
>>2466467this except unironically
>>2466609>EU5's actually-very-good-and-interesting mid-late game mechanics>exploration>columbian exchangelmao exploration and colonization is garbage and the exchange is just a "replace my shit RGO with money printers" button
>>2466640>lmao exploration and colonization is garbageIt's flawed but it should be the centerpiece of the game. Making it more fun won't fix the problem that you can ignore it with zero downsides.>"replace my shit RGO with money printers" buttonTrue for a few goods that are unbalanced like chili and tobacco. But in every other case it's actually a very interesting and unique mechanic that reflects historical dynamics. Fundamentally it's a cool system just unbalanced in part because RGOs in general are overpowered (you shouldn't be able to have >20% of your population working as artisans or laborers in non-food producing RGOs without facing mass starvation)
if they'd just add dynamic colony names (new galicia instead of xohexohetitxl) colonization would be fine, it would take all of a single day to implement this
if paradox had made victoria 3 good and fun, chuds like me wouldn't have been so excited to see victoria 2's economic system duct taped onto an early modern setting where it's impossible to have fun, accurate gameplayso ultimately this fiasco is all wiz's fault and not johan's
EU4GODS can't just stop winning
>>2466655Decisions are a EU3 feature sonnie, this is a boomer game
sole problem of the game is that it starts in 1337 instead of 1453the whole fucking point of the game period is >colonizing the new world and setting up trade empires in the east indies as western euros>blobbing to the pacific as russia>blobbing in europe and egypt as ottomans>reunifying japan from the sengoku jidai>forming the qing dynasty from manchuriaeu5 has all the tools to do this it's just in the wrong fucking era, so you have to play 150 years of what should be crusader kings in order to get to the game, combine that with the game now being slow as shit due to hour ticks that nobody asked for and that don't improve the game in any way and it was DoAthey said they're adding the necessary start date for christmas 2027, but it'll be too late by then, all good will and residual fanbase will be gone by then
The poster above is turkishdo not believe his lies
>akshully this GREEK state led by GREEKS, with its entire legal system in GREEK, with its entire liturgy in GREEK, consisting entirely of GREEKS is the roman empire and you're literally misgendering me if you even dare suggest it wasn'trome died with heraclius, you are a LARPer, and only redditors buy into the anthony kikedakis false narrative that they were in any way still romanYWNBAR
the game should begin with jesus' birth and continue until the death of joseph smith in 1844
wow what a eurocentric post
>>2466666>Satanic quints>mormonyup checks out
>>2466660>You don't understand, we HAVE to simulate the black death! Look at our disease mechanics! What do you mean it just wastes the first few hours of every campaign?!?!
victoria 4 should begin with marx's birth and end with the death of joseph stalin in 1953
>>2466670holy ludo
>>2466669If it just wasted hours it wouldn't be a problem, it's that the game becomes unbalanced by the time any of the relevant stuff happens.>english colonization if the game starts in 1337england is undisputed hegemon of all of britain, ireland, france, the lowlands, with an income of 99999 in time for colonization, you can easily colonize literally everywhere in the world and create 1984's oceania borders>english colonization if the game starts in 1453economy is just about up to speed in time to spend money on explorations and colonization, this natural economic limit >russia if the game starts in 1337anachronistically btfo the golden horde over a century early and have max centralized, hyper-urbanized russia where moscow is a 500 miles wide ecumenopolis by 1600>russia if the game starts in 1453have to free yourself from goldie, colonize siberia, all with no built up economy while the west is rapidly technologically outpacing you>japan if the game starts in 1337either play as ashikaga and have completed your goals before unpause OR play as a clan and blob over the other clans who literally do not know how to attack you due to building based countries not being coded in a coherent way>japan if the game starts in 1453reunify japan as your chosen clan and then use the battle hardened samurai class to launch the imjin war into korea and china and establish japanese dominance over east asia>manchu if the game starts in 1337either jank the mechanics and blob in china over 3 centuries early or be literally unable to defeat the reunified super-china with 1 million peasant levies who respawn faster than you can kill them if you dare try to play historically>manchu if the game starts in 1453unify the manchu clans and strike against the now extremely bloated, decadent, and crumbling ming statethe literal only country that benefits from the earlier start date is the ottomans, and that's just because they start too powerful in the 15th century
>>2466678English colonization is even better if the game starts in the late 1500s honestly.It's not the same if there's no giant spanish menace.
What would a different start date fix? The AI is still incapable of accomplishing goals. As long as this continues to be the case, you don't get anything interesting out of playing through any particular historical scenario. The map color of the dominant countries aimlessly blobbing in the opposite direction of their historical goals changes, that's it.
>>2466647They should remove most of the control over the Columbian Exchange and make it so pops in areas dynamically change the RGOs or at least cause events that give the player the option to do so in X province. The player should have a few opportunities to decide themselves without a preceding event to implement RGO swaps but as it stands the opportunity cost is too low for the massive payoff that you get.
>>2466665Byzaboos are just actual masochists who get off on an empire slowly declining into a pathetic remnant of its former self before being assfucked by the Turks. This is why they need it to be in EU5: They go into spectator mode on speed 6, pull out a bottle of lotion, and go to town on their micropenis, climaxing the moment Constantinople is annexed by the Ottomans. Playing as the Byzantines for them is self-inserting as the girl getting her ass reamed out by a giant cock; if they bother to succeed then they will probably feel a pang of profound disappointment comparable to a rape-victim turned feminist who loves the idea of woman empowerment but masturbates every night to thoughts of being beaten and impregnated by a violent criminal.
>>24666601337 is a fine start dateSorry you're a retarded ADHD tiktok zoomer that NEEDS to blob like a faggot all over the new world immediately
rgos shouldnt be per province and should just be nebulous goods being produced by pops across the country with some regional bonuses and biases to rgos
Careful not to lose stability with the eclipse.
>>2466694Problem is if you actually engage with the 14th century mechanics and politics you end up in a totally dominant position such that colonization is a pointless vanity project rather than a viable path to grow wealthy and powerful.
>>2466701So it's exactly the same as the other EU games where you can become unstoppable before anyone even reaches the new world
>>2466701It's a net negative in EU5 anyway, unless you solely take the good resource producing parts of the Caribbean and build up your trade infrastructure there to import it back to Europe.Which is a good thing, and that is compelling and enjoyable gameplay, but you shouldn't have to wait 150 years at speed 7 to do it.
I simply do not want to play 100 years of Crusader Kings-lite before the actual game begins
>>2466701That happens in eu4 as well though.This is why 14xx is too early of a start date. You need a date closer to 1600 so there's spanish and portuguese blobs to oppose the plucky little player arriving in the second wave of colonization.
>>2466705It's not even Crusader Kings. Crusader Kings is at least interesting because you can roleplay your family and their traits, in EU5 you just have to sit and spam RGOs, and once they're all upgraded you start building cities out from your capital.This is the natural consequence of listening to blobbers who think the game is supposed to be about randomly expanding in every direction simultaneously instead of about history.To a blobber 100 more years is 100 more years of content.To someone who actually gives a shit about history 100 years with no mass geopolitical movements of note is 100 years wasted.
>>2466707ngl whenever I read something that says "content" I kinda mentally replace it with "slop". So the latest DD is about slop delivery systems. It feels accurate.
>>2466703Yes but it's much easier. Doing it in Eu4 requires extensive game knowledge and deliberate play (unless you're like exactly France). Doing it in Eu5 can be done on speed 6 in your second ever playthrough.
>>2466710>Doing it in Eu4 requires extensive game knowledge and deliberate playnigga you pick exploration ideas and press the explore button
they should give a flat -90% assimilation globally and increase it about 15% per age/century, plus a corresponding increase to cultural capacity that decreases parallelly
>>2466706>>2466703Epic posts, but there is a world of difference between how strong you can become in EU4 by admin tech 10 (roughly 1450s, 10 years into the game) and in EU5 by the age of discovery (100 years into the game)EU5 also has a lot more avenues of exponential growth, due to the increased location count, it scales a lot faster than EU4's economy.
>>2466711Either you haven't bothered to read the previous posts or you're functionally illiterate."it" was attaining a dominant position/becoming totally unstoppable, not exploring.
>adding new start date in late 2027>by that point the game will be full of manait's not fair, bros...
Any decent mods by now?
>>2466716You could mod the mana out but none is going to do that because all the alternatives are worse.
>>2466728Estate interactions and political influence points should have never been added to the game.They created a problem to sell the solution, what they've always wanted, fucking mana.
>>2466730Just mod them out nigger but you won't because you all you do is to complain.
>>2466718EU4 gets all the good mods still. The few that are trying are gradually giving up because Johan rebalances the entire game every patch
>>2466731You can't mod out fundamental game mechanics for the same reason you can't mod mana out of EU4, dipshit.
>>2466718They redesign the game too often for mods. You can't really make a mod because the whole system you modded gets flipped upside down in a few weeks, and also it was never working right because of an invisible bug that gave a -500% modifier when reloading the game during winter, etc.
>>2466755Just make everything cost 0 mana and 5 times your countrys early income again loke it does now. People add stockmarkets to hoi4 but somehow none can reverse 1 mechanic for a game whose first development year was without mana.
>>2466764It was without mana for its entire development period of 6+ years, until shitters like you got hold of it and demanded it become EU4 2.
>>2466767And if that development was so greaat make everything that costs mana cost gold instead. Like it does now.
>>2466713>admin tech 10 (roughly 1450syou have not played the game
>>2466782He's not wrong in the abstract. 50 years before anyone reaches the new world in 4, 150 years in 5. You can conquer egypt and half of Italy as Yizzatium in that time, if you are slow.
What's the endgame here, what happens if the player and the IA urbanize 100% of the locations and nobody has access to raw materials because no RGOs
>>2466905Then you conquer the RGOs and slap embargoes on every other country. Welcome to mercantilism.
>>2466908>All the anti-blob mechanics makes blobbing an absolute necessity even more than in eu4Bravo Johan, you truly are the European Universalis.
>>2466918It's because they didn't bother balancing the trade war mechanics in markets. There's a lot of funny shit you can do that totally ruins the AI's economy. If you embargo them they won't even embargo back. If you steal their market in a peace deal you can just slap on an embargo, instant shit market access everywhere. You used to be able to flood other markets with cheap goods and force their buildings to shut down as well, haven't tried it on recent patches though. One new thing in recent patches though, if the AI's economy shits itself hard enough they will delete forts, which is basically suicidal.
