looks like scripted premade maps and no fog of war. Little to no replayablity.

I was hyped but now I'm gonna wait.

>>2474895
>no fog of war
and thats a good thing

>>2474888
Man this woulda sold well if you were rebels or empire and not random LARPers.

>>2474888
Are you excited to be non binary trannies and explore transness and queerness in your epic nu wars adventure? I'm not!

loved nu-xcom so i will buy this like a sucka

first opinions. Not into an actual game yet.

>char creation is heavily woke, no white male presets though hawk does default to a white male.
>only body type 1-2 for gender
>only 1-2 face types are actually masculine, the rest are el goblino tier ugly or female.
>can only select from premade faces, no in depth customization
>armor appears cosmetic only
>no custom jedi

considering a refund before the 2 hours are up, seriously.

>>2476417
OK but how is the gameplay?

>>2474888
seems ok

>>2476419
only done the tutorial right now but it seems very much like x-com which is not surprising.

>>2476426
That's good. Pretty much what I was hoping for.

>>2476430

some things different from modern x-com.

>3 actions per turn instead of 2
>moving is not based on a grid system but does snap to cover.
>it shows you what targets can be seen/fired at and the chances to hit in movement mode
>overwatch is by cone instead of entire line of sight.

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>>2474888
how does it compare to Jagged Alliance 3

>cant make a hot twi'lek
its over

>>2476439
i had a lot of fun with that one, pretty good game

soooo no Action Points?

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runs like shit apparently

you can run just as far in 2/3 moves per turn as you can with 60 time units.

>bu-but I have to end my turn where I shot instead of being able to duck back behind cover
have you ever thought of not being a gay little pussy and just standing out there like a real man?
plus there's always some perk that lets you move after shooting

>>2476505
Noticed a couple glitches like units gliding instead of walking and my performance is good but I'm on a decent rig and running at 1080p.

Does this game have a proper campaign or is this over in 12 hours with no replayability?

>>2476611
supposedly there's roughly 30 hours of missions but so far they are all very heavily scripted. Either kill all enemies, or collect item and exfiltrate while infinite enemies spawn. Maps are tiny too and not much room to do stuff.

>>2476658
That sounds worrying, people on the Steam forums compared it to Chimera Squad.

>nu-disney dialog and characters
>diversity out of the ass
>gameplay is xcom but worse on every aspect
sad

Oh and the main character gets referred to as they and their (possessive). We all know its because they were to cheap to have the VAs record too different lines for he/she but it also doubles as wokeslop.

Lots of negative reviews about performance. That's a big shame.

>>2476693
>We all know its because they were to cheap to have the VAs record too different lines for he/she
This was never a problem for any RPG game, but suddenly it is for a fucking star wars licensed game?
It's a very conscious and deliberate decision to explore transness and queerness instead of making it a normal game for normal people. It being cheaper to produce is just an extra cherry on top.

I'm playing on hard iron mam, it is way too easy.

this game has absolutely zero polish that makes XCOM standout so well among the crowd

>so far all the main villains are Indians
Kek

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Alright, everyone owes me 100 Separatist scalps. Clanker head units also accepted.

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>>2476500
3AP/turn
>>2476417
All the human options besides default male Hawks suck, cannot make a QT but you can be an ayylmao. I didn't try a Twilek female, maybe they look better than the human female goblins.
However, male Hawks VA being southern fried is pretty good. Cast is doing a good job from what I have heard.

Annoyed they force you to get a guy killed like an idiot in the tutorial. Ultra settings sc as a reference for those interested

>>2476851
x-com staple at this point. the first mission in EU had the entire squad save one get killed.

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Just installed the pirated game. Gotta say, regardless of what the actual game is like, it's winning some points with me for including a clear visual example here instead of just presenting me with some basic options and having me guess about how they're being implemented.

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>>2476869
rip never forget

>>2476851
>I didn't try a Twilek female, maybe they look better than the human female goblins.
I didn't see all the options but from what little i saw its " wide jaw black woman (forma de twilek) so not any better.

I'm still early in the game but so far there seems to be very little tactics involved, just blasting to destroy cover then killing the exposed enemies. Humanoids are unrealistically durable and only the b1 droids go down with one hit. This goes for your people as well as they can shrug off a lot of damage and have to be brought down 3 times in order to die permanently. Maps are very small and there's hardly enough room to flank enemies.

>>2476919
sounds like a cross between chimera squad and nuxcom

>>2474888
Utter shit.
4 character limit was an obvious red flag.
Literally chimera squad tier garbage

>>2477033
this guy gets it

>>2476768
>IT'S IRON MA'AM!!!

>>2476851
>TPS movement outside combat
Fucking why?

>>2477051
pad things out and makes people think the 'game' is larger than it is. These combat maps are fucking tiny.

I played like 25min and refunded. Game def feels like a torrent kind of game rather than a buy.

>>2476851
>Annoyed they force you to get a guy killed like an idiot in the tutorial
He had death flags on him since he appears

Okay there's a bit of difficulty when you reach the level where you meet the jedi, surprised me. I fully admit I am ass at TBS though.

>>2477051
Because walking through a hallway for 5 minutes, following quest markers that are spaced 10 feet in between, before being allowed to start a battle is "immersive".
Seriously though, why are there so many fucking quest markers just to show you the way through empty linear corridors? It feels like a parody.

>>2476963
It's a cross between Chimera Squad and Midnight Suns, complete with a shitty hub level where you can walk around in third person and talk to your Glup Shittos in between missions.

>>2477051
Instead of ant farm, this does Mass Effect at your base

I'm really enjoying the game so far. Not much technical issues too. I'm starting to wonder if people just want to hate the game.

>>2477198
I don't hate it (well story I don't like) but xcom 2 with star wars skin mods just plays much better than this game and I already owned that.

>>2477198
The game is fun but its overpriced, its a 30, maybe 40 dollar game, not a 50 dollar game.

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I've had a revelation.

Unlike other games like Starfield, the reason most of the faces are ugly isn't because the devs are just bad at their job, it's because by design almost none of the face models are made for the default white skin and hair settings. Trying to make a white character using a African, Indian or Chinese face model is why you end up with ugly characters.

Picture related, it's the exact same face (Face 11), first with the default settings and then with more appropriate settings. You go from the ugliest white dude you've ever seen to just an average black guy.

Do you gain something for risking it and killing more enemeis before escaping to the extracting point? XP or something or are rewards fixed?

>>2477218
Rewards are fixed.

Does the game give "aim bonuses on miss" on all difficulties except Expert/Legend like in XCOM 2?

Its always nice to have a modern turn based game that isnt high fantasy. Sick and tired of the Orcs&Elves&Sorcery crap. Also it has no unnecessary lewd shit so thats a plus (it keeps the coomers away).

>>2477392
xcom 2, civ7, xenonauts 2, menace, battle brothers, wasteland 3 etc. I could go on, but you are just being a little faggot.
>ooo there aren't any fucking games
When there are fucking loads.

>>2477446
nta but can you give full list? I only played nucom, bb and dd

>>2477460
off the top of my head theres wartales, dice gambit, crown wars. the warhammer games mechanicus and chaos gate, troubleshooter, phantom doctrine, phoenix point, warhounds. a shitload more if you include jrpg-type turn-based tactics, like fell seal, symphony of war, valkyria chronicles

>>2477446
Yeah but you haven't have a big title for quite a while. Theres always some shit but its usually low budget.

>>2477502
big name TBS is shit because it has to be dumbed down for the normies.

From what ive seen ill pick the game up when it first goes on sale. 50 is a bit much but still looks fun.

>>2477392
>modern turn based game that isnt high fantasy.
Related to that, is there one that is set in a historical medieval setting? No elves, orcs or magic. But just historical knights and whatnot.

>>2477460
What aspect do you like most? I'll try and come up with a tailored list when I wake up.

For the people that played it. Is there a class that just isnt good for your character to take?

>>2477504
Field of Glory II: Medieval is turn-based tactical but it's a pure wargame with no economy and basebuilding.
Wartales has a magic-free medieval type setting with no monsters aside from some undead. The Expedition games (Conquistador, Viking, Rome) have historical settings. Crown Wars: The Black Prince is set in the Hundred Years war, King Arthur: A Knights Tale is set in Arthurian England and Dice Gambit's setting is inspired by Renaissance Italy but these games are full of fantasy and magic.

>>2477517
Yeah thats the thing I dislike with having a main character, if a class is shit you just remove your buddy with that class, but what if you mistakenly chose that for your mc?
Guess they cant comprehend people wanting to play with unknown dudes, people must have a character to "be inmersed in"
That being said if its similar to xcom I dont see anything bad outside of the recon looking like a late game class if hp scales with time and sharpsooters ultimate being amazing in early and not so good in late.

>>2477533
>>2477517
Nvm you can change class between missions

>>2477513
The preparation. Outfitting dudes, checking stats, formation where possible, taking right supplies. DD was like a drug in that regard.
>>2477482
Good list, thanks.
But, no JA3? Is it really that mediocre?

>>2477593
no i just forgot about it. i like ja3 the most of the xcom-likes i played

>unlock second specializations
>put quickdraw on my high level sharpshooter
>activate zero in
>massacre entire b1 droid army in one turn
Welcome back XCOM 2 Sharpshooter.

for me it's xcom and phoenix point and nothing else comes close

xcom 2 started out bad and got worse, i have little hope for this

It's fun but I was expecting more from "former Firaxis devs".
-Cuts out all the ambush/overwatch trap bullshit, just combat.
-Overwatch is a cone that reduces accuracy the bigger you make the cone. It's also functionally suppression. Huge improvement over xcom overwatch.
-Visuals are great, but demanding on GPU.
-The UI looks great.

Issues
-Base building reduced to a list of tiered upgrades.
-The character creator is some DEI bullshit. There is one white male face. There is one decent looking black male face. Everything else is an ugly mongoloid peasant abomination. It's pretty clear most faces are just reused alien face assets.
-The assistant character is some angry self-righteous bitch straight from a Netflix serie. If I was running a PMC, there would be a bullet in her brain.
-Class system is boring. Four skills you can level per class. The skill upgrades are usually just +1 damage or +1 meter to skill.
-Seems kind of easy. Straight from the start, the assisting is enough to trivialize the game. Once you start inflating your damage numbers, it just gets easier.

>>2477755
once you reach a certain mission around 8 cycles in the difficulty ramps up a little. Bit of a wake up call for me at least.

>>2477755
the character creator is some next level bullshit. unbelievably ugly. I refunded and torrented instead no way I am giving niggers money for that.

>>2477769
>a certain mission around 8 cycles in
You mean the cultist cave fight?

It's true that the new enemies that start showing up after that are tougher than the droids and gangbanger you've been fighting up to that point, but I wouldn't say it's a significant jump in difficulty. You jujst need to focus fire on whatever nigger has the highest SPACE AIDS counter because they'll chimp out and heal to full. Also PROTIP: If a melee enemy chimps out and goes invisible (which is the most dangerous bonus IMO), you can just remove the invisibility by using an AoE attack on the spot where they were standing.

>>2477788
That fight was a bit annoying but it also annoys me that I have to fill my space mana bar to use my rocket launcher and shit like that. It feels like they are taking more from that marvel game than xcom.

>>2477460
>>2477482
Gears Tactics is worth a playthrough. It's often overlooked because of muh console wars etc. but it's surprisingly good.

full review: torrent/10

>>2477789
>It feels like they are taking more from that marvel game than xcom.
Mechanically the game is basically Chimera Squad with some Midnight Suns influence.

>>2477834
I never did play chimera squad. I just don't want to play as ayyyys. I want to make my dudes.

>star wars
Why are they still beating this dead horse? Aren't the manchildren that obsessed over this garbage in their 40s now?

>>2477859
>Aren't the manchildren that obsessed over this garbage in their 40s now?
That just means they've got more disposable income.

From what Ive seen from other people playing the most broken shit is prolly the mandalorian darts+detonation along with a scout or 2. He just spams that crap on each enemy and if they are close together each dart is basically an extra attack when he finally detonates the thing. He can wipe an entire spawn point (or close), including tougher non droideka enemies. The baroness cunt as a gunslinger+sharposhooter with vicious stack might be nasty as well if she gets close but not as OP.

>>2477872
The baroness is actually really nice as a scout, because her killsteal ability lets her constantly trigger the scout's bonus advantage on kill ability.

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>max out Cly's darts
>bring two scouts to farm advantage

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Did tutorial and a couple of missions
>You're forced to send one of your men to die through a series of retarded decisions
>Gluo Shitto, I know you're wounded but could move forward and melee some guy while they shoot you 3 times out in the open?
>Glup Shitto hack that console, while 3 ranged enemies look at you and some melee faggot wants to rape you with a neon lamp katana
>Glup Shitto dies
>player character" It can't be helped, he knew what signed up for "
>visit Glup Shitto memorial
the rest of the writing also feels like a fever dream, somehow your main character was the "rising star" but he is a grade A moron

>>2474895
this is my issue
the game looks good but it looks very linear

>>2478067
>somehow your main character was the "rising star" but he is a grade A moron
Finally, inclusive writing that I can self-insert into

How do smoke grenades work exactly? Do they only grant chance to miss against those standing in it or does it also reduce accuracy for those firing from within? Also does it work midway or does it need to be on top of the enemy/ally?

>>2478129
they just buff units in the tiles with smoke

None of the starting classes make sense.

The blue manlet has a melee that refunds AP on kill. He should be a soldier to boost melee damage, and it gives him a second melee after he has his AP refunded.
The baroness executes low health enemies. She should be scout for the extra advantage on kill.
Tricks gets fully healed on death with no injuries. He should be a heavy(with a sniper) to taunt and retaliate.
Anything works on Hawk, but scoundrel makes the most sense early on. Grinding up bond stats on the MC is the min-max strat. Medic might also work. I don't use medic, so I don't really know.

>>2478146
game is easy just larp

I feel like cross training could be optimized for OP ways

only a few hours in but so far the game just feels mediocre, and that's being generous. cyberknights and menace are both better which is just embarrassing considering those games likely have a small fraction of zcom's budget and menace is still in early access

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Can I make a full Clone squad?
Do I have to accept aliens into my unit?
Is there romance?
Am I allowed to serve the Empire or am I forced into the Resistance (which modern writers have made lame and gay)

Just watched the order 66 scene on youtube, this shit is so ass

>>2478211
>Can I make a full Clone squad?
You can just put everyone in clone armor cosmetics. You can also just fire all the unique companions and hire generics. Generic characters can be totally customized, changing their personality/race/gender/descriptions or whatever.
>Empire or resistance
The game is Republic vs Separatists. You're railroaded into helping the Republic.
>Romance
No
>Aliens
Some unique characters are forced on missions, but you can customize your generic operators to be humans.

>>2478237
>The game is Republic vs Separatists. You're railroaded into helping the Republic.
only the first half, at some point order 66 happens and you end up on the other side of the empire, including a cameo by a villain from Fallen Order

>>2478237
Can those generic characters be Clones? It's not a dealbreaker necessarily even if it would be cool, I don't mind playing the non-GAR side of the Republic's military force.
>Republic
That's fine and I wasn't expecting a Separatist path or anything but I know it's set at the twilight of the war, does that railroading extend to not being able to remain loyal to Palpatine? I hate being forced to go Rebel, it loses all meaning if I'm not the one to decide it.
>Romance
Shame since there seems to be a few girls in the crew and love plays a pretty heavy role in Star Wars

>>2478239
>Fallen Order
I hate Inquisitors I hate Inquisitors I hate Inquisitors I hate Inquisitors I hate Inquisitors I hate Inquisitors

>>2478242
There's a character databank on the main menu. You can make some premade clones to show up in your game. I haven't seen any by default.

>>2478246
That's cool

why wasn't the game just the sandbox mode of battlefront (2004) but with turn-based squads of up to 8 units? TRUTH.NVKE.

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Does she look good?

Where do I discuss the modern XCOM games in this site anyway?

>>2478294
Hell no. She looks like she is missing her problem glasses.

>>2478297
either
>/v/
during US hours, but you will be flooded with jaded Open X-(Wound)Com faggots shitting up the thread
or on
>/vst/
slow thread and it will die before reaching 100 replies

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>Made Marvel turned based tac strat
>Then made this Star Wars turn based tac strat.
We wont be getting xcom3
But im eager to play The Disney Princess turn based tac strat which will be the next one.

>>2478323
>We wont be getting xcom3
Anon, I... it came out almost thirty years ago. Have you been in a coma?

>>2478329
It was called xcom apocalypse
Not xcom3

>>2478323
Nice try. It'll be the Muppets. Disney hires them to do properties that Disney has bungled, to get autists talking about the property, again.
Clearly, it works, I'm proof of it.

I felt amazed, realizing that the guns were basically classes that you sneak into the 8 standard classes, the talent system is there for making broken bullshit (but you can also just use it for resources) and a second class on top of it all breaks things open. It doesn't have the same crunch I want, but there's a bit of crunch in it. I'm going to sit down with it in a bit.

>>2477111
I pirated the game and it does feel like that... I wouldn't pay full price...

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Just finished the game and I don't feel like doing a second playthrough. Too story and character driven compared to Xcom

Never played XCom so my take wont be as refined as some others in regards to gameplay
Also not finished yet

Gameplay
>the core is fun to play with and mostly works well
>some of the class's abilities seem useless
>Overwatch has a small but noticeable chance to not work
>you can change classes and weapons freely to experiment without consequence. Personal talents for story characters can't be changed, but most are better than what you use for generic operators that can be change at will
>Even 20+ missions in with decent builds, a certain faction becomes very spongy
>Armor is purely cosmetic. Wish it wasn't
>you don't buy new guns, just new mods for guns
>you can change almost every part of hired ops (idk how I feel about it)
>camera is bad, need zoom out

Cosmetics/Characters
>ugly faces everywhere
>unironically jew noses and female bug eyes for most faces
>hate male Hawks voice acting (like a half assed southern draw mixed with nails, have to wear Clone helmet so it's tolerable)
>4/6 main operators have been enjoyable, men and women received equal attention in writing it seems
>the 2 non combat female crew got modern girlboss attitudes. one still is well written in spite of that
>Not a lot of helmet choices which are important to not see faces
>an ok amount of clothes, more armor needed
>the male hired operator voices are all good
>female hired ops voices seem 50/50
>the combat action are pretty cinematic
>there is wokeness in regard that the 2 special classes (jedi and mandalorian) are both occupied by women, but they aren't written in a woke matter so far
>you can't change the look or aesthetically remove weapon mods that can make iconic weapons look retarded
>main bad needs better writing

Optimization
>sometimes has short lags after ending turn or when overwatch activated
>only had to restart once so far
>long loading first launch
>sometimes droids animation doesn't load and they glide to positions, never seen it happen during the entire combat

Playing this makes me think of how fantastic the game would have been if they let it be more open ended. Some mount and blade esque starwars open world where you run a mercenary group and can take on any job and build your notoriety in specific parts of the galaxy.

Instead the game has to railroad you into this shit ass story that no one cares about. God it pisses me off that so many people making these AAA/AA games hate videogames and just want to use them as a medium to tell their own stories. Sorry! No player expression, no role playing, no immersion, no fun, we have to tell our stupid story about lame ass bugs and get in all of our tired old cameos from all the characters the normie cattle know and love

>>2478573
STAR WARS: ZERO REPLAYABILITY

>>2478573
>Instead the game has to railroad you into this shit ass story that no one cares about.
There are two reasons for this
One, it's much cheaper to make a linear story game instead of a mount and blade clone. It should be apparent given how many linear story slop games are there and how many games attempt to clone mount and blade (none, because it's very difficult and a huge project)
Two, star wars is a pozzed licensed IP where yidsney needs to have total control over the narrative. If you let players make their own story they could... oh my fauci... make an imperial sided warband and genocide space minorities

>>2478243
probably my least favorite nu-wars invention
order 66 didn't matter if there are 900000000000000000 force users left all over the galaxy, necessitating the existence of 90000000 other force users trained to hunt other force users

>>2478605
the old EU also had a bunch of order 66 survivors and turned vader into this memetic badass which nothing could kill because of his plot armor.

I like the more modern take that Vader was damaged quite badly and the only reason the Jedi couldn't stop him was that anyone who could was hiding more from the clones/stromtroopers than vader, who spent most of his time sulking on musitfar pining over padme. When time to fight an actual jedi knight instead of a padawan he struggled.

>>2478573
the game even sets up perfectly for a split campaign with order 66
imagine having to choose either side to continue the story and lose either trick or tel

>>2478615
>lose either trick or tel
>lose the bland generic clone that you can 99% recreate as a random character anyway (and the 1% that you can't recreate isn't even good), or the unique character with the unique class
Eh. I get it from a story perspective, but from a gameplay perspective this would be retarded.

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>>2478661
>he wouldnt side with trick

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>kill a bunch of coil
>have to wait for each individual resonance anim to finish

>>2478668
There's literally nothing interesting about him, narratively or mechanically. People just suck him off because they saw the Clone Wars cartoon when they were 8 years old and he's a clone.
>WOOOOOW HE SAID THE GOOD SOLDIERS LINE I RECOGNIZE THAT REFERENCE I'M GONNA JIZZ MY PANTS

>>2478694
>There's literally nothing interesting about him
Sadly that's every character in this game so far.

>>2478600
>make an imperial sided warband
in my naivety, i thought this would be a choice

Why no more talking about this game? The youtubers told me it was XCOM 3

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Built for hutt slavery

>>2478605
The thing I hate most about it, other then the exact point you made about somehow every Padawan surviving Order 66, is that it steals Vader's role. He isn't just a military leader, he isn't just a scary walking piece of propaganda, he is THE threat eliminator. If a Jedi survived or some force user wants to try rising up or some other claimant of the Sith is making noise then Vader is THE one to turn up and kill them. If donutsteal OC no.57 has that job then they just do it lamer then Vader does and makes him basically redundant. That's partly why I don't like Mara Jade's origin, even if she is way more acceptable then modern shit.
>>2478614
>I like the more modern take that Vader was damaged quite badly and the only reason the Jedi couldn't stop him was that anyone who could was hiding more from the clones/stromtroopers than vader, who spent most of his time sulking on musitfar pining over padme. When time to fight an actual jedi knight instead of a padawan he struggled
Genuinely one of the weirdest Star Wars takes I've heard, why the fuck do you want Darth Vader to be written as some weak loser? What could possibly be interesting about that? Vader is the best fighter outside of Sidious' lighting schtick and Obiwan's ragebait, that is perfect and should never change. The bug eyed freak from Fallen Order shouldn't have lasted as long as she did against Vader in my opinion, though it should never be an automatic win.

>>2478661
As a roleplayer willing to make games artificially more difficult just to rp, the Jedi goes. I need my Phase 2 armour Clone Troopers.

>>2478776
*Built for a Human husband.

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>>2478573
Same, it's a good concept, running a mercenary company during the Clone Wars, be nice to take contracts from both sides, see from both sides of the war from a non-jedi/clone point of view while getting rich on the side

But no, you are stuck working with some Republic glowies fighting these Coil nobodies, and everything feels so hand-holding on how things play out. I would rather have some more choices that affect the story than just losing some bond that you can get back in the next mission

>>2478776
I notice that standing next to her, she is tall. The player character is a manlet

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It was decent.

>>2478573
The mount and blade system wont work so good for star wars (too messy and it doesnt work good for dozens of mooks running around with blasters) but a mass effect-esque RPG (2-3 companions tops) or even a solo adventure in an open world would be absolutely great. Something with freedom and not stuck on to force users like kotor or being forced to sneak like outlaws. With space combat on top it would be great but since a budget for such a thing would be large and they need to pay for the IP on top of that the chances of getting something like this are slim.

>>2478815
just got to the credits myself, I'd hoped it would be better than it turned out but still a fun enough game

I wish you could play as the CIS. All Clone Wars era games make you play as the bad guys.

It has to be said, Temuera bodies Dee Bradley Baker.

Easily ignorable because there's exactly zero chance any Star Wars franchise product is good.

>>2478840
I generally like Baker but he's only alright as the clones, while most of Temuera's Battlefront 2 narrations are still stuck in my head to this day.
That said I'm not against other people voicing them now and again, giving each squad member their own VA worked well in Republic Commando

Fucking Tactical Bros! I am hearing a lot of good things about this Fucking game, but why is the Steam rating so low? Only 78%? I usually only play Steam games if they are 90% and above!

>>2478776
true

>>2478901
People tried playing it with outdated specs and were mad it was laggy.

>>2478890
Though I think the voice work was great and do generally agree that having one man voice every wouldn't be so great for having their personalities shine, I still want to see what it would be like for each of Delta to share the same voice. I'd like to see how Temuera would handle having them standout, I think he could do it well.

>>2478873
star wars has a lot of great licensed games though
this game is frustrating because it could have easily been good but it's too limited and railroaded

>>2478901
its UE5 performance and deluxe edition being broken for some people

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>>2478614
>the old EU also had a bunch of order 66 survivors
This argument is being brought up all the time and yet the EU isn't swarming with force sensitive minorities like yidsney nu-wars are.
Moreover, the EU was never considered canon, it was always a realm of fanfiction and even Lucas said so. So every time some writer wanted to include the force in their story, they had to invent a new force sensitive character, and they had the creative license to do so.
Yidsney on the other hand is claiming that not only 9000 jedi survived order 66, the empire had to even hire some of the jedi they somehow didn't kill as inquisitors to hunt down other jedi. You know, to do Vader's job.
So Vader in nu-canon is just a saturday morning villain whose job is cackling evil-ly but slightly quieter than the Emperor who's the main cackler.
>memetic badass which nothing could kill because of his plot armor
Why are you complaining that the chosen one has plot armor? Do you get mad at water being wet?
>I like the more modern take that Vader was damaged quite badly and the only reason the Jedi couldn't stop him was that anyone who could was hiding more from the clones/stromtroopers than vader, who spent most of his time sulking on musitfar pining over padme. When time to fight an actual jedi knight instead of a padawan he struggled.
What a shit take. James Luceno had a much better take on exactly this

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>>2479022
It's also makes the Clones look mega retarded if that many Jedi escaped which also in turn makes all the actual Jedi Masters who were murdered by the Clones seem extra mega retarded if mere no-name Jedi survived and they didn't.
Like in the Order 66 scene in game, why the fuck are the Clones having a discussion with Zero Company? Why aren't they just firing on the Jedi the moment they see her? Why would they even entertain the idea of arresting her when if they had tried that on Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi or Aayla they would have lost their surprise advantage and probably lose? Why do those two clones help that shitty actor masquerading as a Republic Officer when they could be lunging at the Jedi when their entire life purpose is now to do exactly that? I really do hate how moronic the modern writers are and how lame they make everything. I liked the Good Soldiers Follow Orders bit but it was wasted by the wider context of the scene being shitty
Like always, the fans do it better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abMVFjGKPi4

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>>2479201
>spoiler
It's because nu-wars writers are just fucking stupid talentless hacks.

>>2479306
>1995
I like Tarkin and the Empire but God damn that description made me want to join the Rebellion.

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I love my ancap finance officer

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>>2478836
>play as the guys destined to lose and were just pawns of palpatine

>>2479314
New Tarkin lore is he is a gay rapist.

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>>2479370
epic

>>2479370
Was he the writers self insert?

>>2479375
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TK-421

>>2479389
Idk bro, old Tarkin banged hot babes 30 years his junior. Seems weird they made the mass murderer a gay in the new timeline.

>>2479397
Too many straight white males liked him, they know very well how to change that. They did that to the entire franchise! They just forgot straight white males were their target audience...

A game with tiny static maps and graphics from a decade ago somehow manages to grind your GPU harder and run worse than modern open world sandbox games with gigantic maps and hundreds of NPCs running around.
Not a single reviewer said a fucking word about this inexcusable dogshit performance. Just a bunch of paid shills enabling and rewarding sheer incompetence.

>>2479397
Bring back Daala the jailbait

>>2479420
Daala was supposed to be added to the clone stocks for new storm troopers. Literally vould have had a government issued bad bitch.

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>My ironman save got deleted out of nowhere
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>2479564
You can hear anon's voice cry out in terror before it got suddenly silenced

>>2478146
I made Hawks a Sharpshooter with a pistol. Some weapon mods let you apply status effect on hits and even without the guaranteed hit at any range special shot he basically has 100% accuracy at all times, so entire enemy team is debuffed to shit and I practically never have to worry about overwatch. He kinda sucks at soloing bosses but that's what the underlings are for.

>>2478242
>>2478246
There are pre-made clones. You only get the ability to recruit them (and your custom ones, I'm pretty sure) after a specific point in the story because loose Clones doing mercenary woro would need to be explained away (Trick got a discharge and even that is considered weird, MC had to pull strings for it) since they're supposed to be rare. Early on you get a mission to save a Clone guy and you might think he joins but he just goes "GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS THANKS FOR THE HELP CIVILIANS BUT I GOTTA GET BACK TO LYNCHING CLANKAS" and fucks off back to the GAR.

>>2479201
It is a very weird scene. Later on you even get an explanation from Trick that the Stillwatch relayed Order 66 to him and told him to stay "undercover", and I can understand that maybe the spook could have delayed the fight a tiny bit by telling the Clones to avoid a firefight with his other non-Clone assets but they really should have pushed more aggresively and surrounded them the second Hawks shows any reluctance in handing off the Jedi scum.
But yes, taking control of Trick and only being able to fire on the Jedi is pretty good.

>>2479606
does that mission change if you get trick killed (can he be killed or is it game over?)

>>2479602
Most Clones are literally just droids larping as organics, and that's why they get so butt hurt when you remind them they in fact have no free will. Filoni's mid ass show wont change my mind

I still love clones tho

>>2479610
I liked the old canon that the clones all knew of plot to begin with and hated the jedi so much that when palps gave the order they all gunned the jedi down, no brain chip fuckery involved.

>>2479609
Pretty sure you can get him killed. That being said I don't even remember him saying anything during that mission's cutscenes, he just switches sides during actual gameplay (though you are still forced to take the shot yourself).
Bigger question is what happens if Tel-Rea is dead.

>>2479613
It was great symbolism too. unfortunately prequel haters were too stupid to see it
>Mandolorian helmets and training
>old enemy of jedi in plane sight, shows how cut off and arrogant they were
>manufactured beings
>showing the loss of connection to nature and the force in the jedi
>also showing the dark corruption of the Jedi and Senate
>slave army
>showing the Republic has lost the will of the people to the point where few defend it's existence willingly in the largest conflict in 1000 years
>shows the moral corruption of the Jedi

>shows how far man can fall and be trained to do terrible things
surprised jews don't play this up and claim they're Jedi

xcom3 when
phoenix point 2 is also acceptable

>>2479613
Same, the brain chip allowed clones to be quirky chungus and be just like me and you bro. I preferred them when they were war loving flesh automatons in parallel to the droids.

This made me realize I want a game where you play as a CIS clanker commando squad and you can swap appendages around.

>>2479630
It's interesting because if they wanted to make a Rebel story be actually unique for once they could just write you as being a Separatist Holdout or mercenary who uses a company of Battle Droids that you can customise like you said. I've always thought just how terrifying Battle Droids would be against regular criminals and other non-military forces, especially if you remove the personality software from them required for them to operate independently from a central signal. I remember really enjoying that Tyber Zann mission in Empire At War where you go to an old Droid factory and get Droidekas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GraDnqLzTY

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>>2479621
>surprised jews don't play this up and claim they're Jedi

>>2479645
so the moral of the story is the empire was right

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>>2479325
She reminds me of the usual middle-high class college yuppies (the ones who are born wealthy). I want to shotgun her in the face so bad!

Well EA furloughed the team.
So it doesn’t matter how well it sell and we probably can’t expect a performance patch any time soon.

any melee options aside from lightsabers?

Why can't they come up with a better main character name than just taking the one from Dragon Age 2?

>>2479740
lmao ea really cannot help themselves can they
i got the impression that this game was doing decently too
such wasted potential

>>2479785
Some classes do have melee attacks. The blue alien guy can uppercut people and the clone trooper has a melee attack.

>>2479839
saudis need to start recouping their investment immediately I bet.

>>2479839
pretty sure 80% of modern year UE5 teams are outsourced other cheap labor like jeets that get hired to do the asset flipping and them fired when project is over. Thats why the games always work like shit and nobody gives a flying fuck.

>>2479860
I love the state of modern gaming. Scratch that, I love the state of modern everything.

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The tactical droid speech is misrepresented. When they talk they have a constant timbre (I think thats the word?).
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ2tR-HsnqY&t=227s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0kxMYRIoo

>>2479325
She's a pretentious know-it-all cunt who's acting like she's just slumming it with a bunch of unworthy merc retards. She'd probably have no issue betraying Hawks if she hadn't completely screwed herself out of any better options she had, since both the Republic and the Seperatists see her as a traitor (and not without reason).

which of the female chars is the most annoying?
>Rumi the smart girlboss fiance officer
>Jae the braoness girlboss who killed her finaices in duels to avoid getting married.
>The jedi
>the mando girlboss

>>2479996
Runi is the most annoying one.
Jae has a bit of a mary sue girls get it done vibe to her, but her actual personality is alright.
Tel Rea is cute. Cute!
Cly is just a mando, regardless of her gender. I don't love her but I don't hate her either.

>>2479996
I don't mind the female characters so far, none of them have gone full Mary Sue, I do like Tel even though I'm not the biggest fan of the Disney Star Wars alien designs

Although not a fan of Captain Ancap Runi, who always seems to be complaining about everything, I've gotten to the point where I don't go up and talk to her because I know it going to be another complaint or an 'I told you so' talk

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how am I supposed to get credits?
it feels like the games gives you a pittance every mission even when I have influence giving bonus cash, a squad member giving bonus cash and also never having to spend on injuries

>>2480101
operations, but you really don't need /that/ many once you get the base built.

>>2480103
90% of the operations have unknown rewards though and I rarely have enough resources to do more than 2 a cycle
and almost all of them give 3 influence and maybe 500 creds

>>2480126
Later on you'll get an operation that pays like 200.000 credits.

:3

>>2479996
Rumi 4/10
>made her way too girlboss, but I like that she is Separatist coded
Jae 8/10
>So far she is just a good character minus the girlboss "I killed all the suitors my mom sent"
Tel Rae 9/10
>Must protect QT3.14 book nerd girl failure
Cly 6/10
>Nothing to hate so far. Points were nocked off solely for the 2 unique classes being females
>A male Mando that was slightly prideful could make some macho silliness between them and Trick. Also the first mando you kill for her is a blatant pussy, while some low ranking pike showed more balls.

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>>2480196
>Tel Rae 9/10
>>Must protect QT3.14 book nerd girl failure
>>2479999
>Tel Rea is cute. Cute!
yikes, almost had me considering playing the game because there might have been a cute girl in it. that's a huge nah from me dawg

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I don't see this mission anywhere

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I didn't know the +3 damage at the start of the sniper's turn meant +3 damage permanently each turn wtf

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>>2480294
>he won't breed the alien
Weak

>>2480378
>>2480294
does that thing have any holes that aren't plugged?

>>2480415
If she does then I will plug it myself

>>2479996
Runa, granted I think she's meant to be somewhat annoying but that's all she ever is and her VA is bad so she's easily the worst. Don't have any issues with the other 3 desu

Has anyone else found the companion quests are a bit too straight to the point and feel kinda pointless?

Like Jae's quest for example, telling us her friend who gone undercover has gone silent and we must save him!

Just to show up and instantly meet the guy who already a member of the coil, there no build up, no mystery no hints of he might have already turned, nope straight to the point telling Jae she a bitch like her mother and should eat shit before dying, and after a conversation with her and it never brought up afterwards again, would of like they get a special perk or something to make doing these quests worth doing

>>2480458
Yeah they're most like tacted on after the fact to add some extra missions.

The game made me reinstall Republic Commando so it does have that going for it

Just got cly
>Literally 3-4 skills, all ADV cost
The fuck? How would this work if I didn't bring a scout for ADV generation?

>>2479840
Uppercut's uppercut is racial/unique to him
I think you can pair it up with assault 's built in shove as well, but I figure kabb is better guaranteeing critical shoves as scoundrel(procs on both collisions and the initial damage)

>>2480595
It's just retarded balancing. She's ridiculously OP if you bring at least one scout to feed her Advantage.

>>2479840
The clone trooper's melee attack is from his class. If you chance his class he loses the melee attack. Kabb's melee attack is unique to him and he keeps it no matter what.
It's also a really good attack, because you get a full refund of the action points used on the attack (including any movement that's part of the attack) if you kill the target. Punching them into water or off a bottomless cliff also counts for this.

>>2480606
Considering I made trick a bulwark and bulwark is expected to not do any dying, I really should respect my $$$ recruit to tonk so I can make more cash, I haven't gotten any mileage out of trick's unique talent

Which is the opposite of what I could say for kabb
>Hobble around the map uppercutting people out of cover and into pits
>Get AP refunds to just run back to cover and start marking shit

>>2480610
Trick's unique ability is massively overrated. It's just more valuable the worse you are at the game and since the game is pretty casual you get a lot of shitters playing it. Even on a tank build, the generic recruit defensive ability (A Life of Labor) is better since it helps you not die but also adds a bit of damage.

>>2479990
She's 100% bitchy about the money and it allows hawks to not have to constantly sound 100% about the money and that's fine

Anyone else pleasantly surprised at the game
>Abilities look incredibly basic
>In a team comp of 4 the interplay is fucking nuts
>Astromech is probably the best implementation of a "FE dancer" and incredibly fun and versatile
>Kabb might be the most powerful character in the game and works with just about any kit and weapon

>>2478067
>somehow your main character was the "rising star" but he is a grade A moron
I beat the game, that pretty much what he is kek
not in a bad way though

>>2480345
If you're referring to the gold/yellow plot objective about scouting, that means that it's happening off screen and you have one cycle to do a different mission and pass the time before the main plot advances. Generally it's a good time to go after one of the coil upgrades.

>>2480612
My first reflex was also to make Trick a Bulwark and I really liked the idea of having a Clone guy around but then at halfway point I realized I only had his special be useful a total of one time and that's because I made a conscious decision to walk him into a whole bunch of shit to get past a mission faster.
It's really hard for me to justify bringing him around now.

Do you think there will be an Empire at War 2?

>>2480755
No and I hate that fact.

>>2480772
I take solace in the fact that they'd probably ruin it anyway. Now if they do announce it that solace will turn into a deep despair.

I wish there was more of a reason to rotate your dudes out and use everyone. Right now it just feels like you just use the same 4 story characters unless they get injured.

>>2480798
bond exp

So far I have no need for anyone else but hawk, trick, jae and either tel or cly, depending on how I think the mission will be. Used to use Kabb before the I got the final two. Had no reason to use the umbarian or any of the randos.

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kabby is useful he punch, I gave him more punch, now he punch and punch and punch

>>2480798
I think this game suffers heavily from only 4 guys in the field. MAYBE if you were forced to use 4 guys but could run multiple missions every cycle, maybe as an upgrade or something so you'd at least have Team A and Team B, maybe Team C unlockable by a specific event like last utility and gun mod slots.
The 6 guys mod with more enemies to compensate is quite fun
Unrelated, I can tell that this game actually has a lot of character and the guys making it actually liked the whole thing enough to make it look really cool, but holy fucking shit it's very obvious they ran out of time and out of budget to actually do what they wanted and polish it up. A bunch of systems scream Potemkin village and then it's also full of minor annoying convinience issues that are minor enough that nobody bothered fixing it along the way despite them being very obvious.
>>2478793
Here's hoping that modding wizards make a Z-COM Long War overhaul. I already saw a mod that brings back the removed Imperial faction with all unique units as enemies in random missions, I think it has a bunch of clones in it still so maybe it'd be possible to create a proper Republic faction as enemies. My biggest gripe with the game is honestly that Infinite Coil looks like ass and feels out of place in Star Wars, I'm enjoying fighting robots and even regular bandits more than them.
>I notice that standing next to her, she is tall. The player character is a manlet
Is Hawks even the smallest height? I think he's medium, Runa is just tall. We have Anakin in-game to compare and I think they're about the same, so that'd be what, 190cm? Hawks is probably comfortably ~175cm, which is... manlet in Europe but above average in USA.

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every time the coil is mentioned I think it's the enemy faction in chimera squad

>>2480859
as it stands right now, with more opportunities to fire your weapons vs almost only once per turn of x-com, adding more ops would make the game way too easy.

>>2480866
That's why there's a 50%/100% enemy count increase mod to be used alongside the 6 guys mod, but that just seems to make AOE attacks much more important. It's not even that bad in "normal" combat but the base game issue of enemies starting the missions (or getting reinforced) very clustered before they spread out on subsequent turns only gets magnified.

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punchy upper

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Regular attacks just don't cut it

>>2480978
Sniper gun and Repeater rely heavily on Overwatch or other ways of triggering it.

>>2474888
Why did they kill Xcom though? Both games were popular and financial successes

>>2481093
Crippling producer retardation and disney bucks.

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Ummm uhhhh

>>2481248
Never mind, I just got this. I'm retarded

>>2480800
That's what the lounge for
It unironically seems the best play to max roster and lounge XP asap

>>2480813
Trick isn't quite good
Kabb is unironically the best becaue
>Lol uppercut and bullrush
Jae is p good because bonus v coil
The +money and +Intel operators add up

>>2480998
Repeater is good
It just requires a spotter because you need full AP for full mileage
>>2481093
I still shill XCOMwotc as the best turn based to this day though I wouldnt say no to faster starts like in ZCom and chimera squad
>>2480859
>Minor inconvenience
The fact that I can't just keep the ball rolling is bizarre, the game HAS to screen lock to the unit doing the repositioning
It doubles the time of everything
Especially
>Guy proccing his enrage for the 10th time a round
Ill fucking sabotage that project on subsequent playthroughs

What are the best secondary classes to go with gunslinger and sharpshooter?

>>2481270
>ZCom
what's this?

>>2481490
sorry I get it now zero company. zcom isn't a good name.

Kinda of a nerd take but
>star wars game
>not a single A280 blaster in sight
Its like the AK47 of the setting.

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Remember when Mandalorians weren't exclusively girlbosses

>>2481536
the game lacks specific star wars feeling

>>2481486
>Sharpshooter
Is the secondary class because of the +10% chance to hit
>Gunslinger
Is the secondary class to assault if you run out of spray charges, but goes well with scoundrel because -armor and scout because the AP refund and +advantage on kill can get you a lot of bullshit
Basically I think sharpshooter is ass but it's probably pretty good with any crit interplay or multihit classes like bulwark

>>2481536
Iirc we don't see it until the rebels start using it

>>2481556
You're so used to everything being
>The force
>Jedi
>The sith
>John Williams
That the second they try to avoid those extremely narrow shackles that hold down the franchise you go and say something retarded
Like
>It lacks the very specific star wars feel

Holy shit the cunts who retaliate every hit are ridiculous

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>>2481545

I was gonna say they need to make new helmets and faces/haircuts for hawkes but the whole studio is about to be sacked anyways so I guess we'l get shit instead.

>>2481645
Hell we haven't even got a bug fix patch yet, not to mention the terribly high GPU usage. We ain't getting any more than 1, maybe 2 of those, if we're lucky.

>>2481645
>customization options
>clone helmet/cuirass/legs Nr1
>clone helmet/cuirass/legs Nr2
>...
>clone helmet/cuirass/legs Nr37
They really put some work into it.

>>2481621
Star Wars had white dudes and a reasonably attractive white female as the primary cast members so there's that.

>>2481630
wait till you deal with the melee retaliate enemies
>:)

>>2481680
>shoot an enemy in the middle of a fight
>everyone just stops and stands there as he crosses 5 miles of territory to give you a bad touch

Only on cycle 10 but it feels pretty railroaded. I have shit for intel and credits and every other time I'm at the table something is a required mission expiring in 1 turn

Playing on expert/permadeath, is there any point to killing enemies or should I just be rushing the objective? Every time I try to sit and whittle down the enemies there's reinforcements every 2 rounds like it's FE awakening. Also, is there some trick to the other weapons? Blaster rifle feels like the best one to use, repeater could fuck you up with AP cost and low damage, snipers have high AP cost, pistols feel good for droids but that's it

>>2481709
I like the pistols on the heavy. Feels wrong to put it on such a class but they taunt when they hit enemies, so 3 shots is pretty good.

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Are damage upgrades worth spending credits on? Honestly I'm not even sure what I should be doing with them, buying items from the black market?

>>2481709
Unless the objective is to kill all enemies then just rush the objective, you get the same rewards no matter how many you kill.

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>>2481621
Nta but whilst I do think that Star Wars media doesn't have to follow that strict criteria, you can go pretty wrong pretty quicky by catering to pseuds like the Andor audience who think they're intelligent for comparing the Empire to the Nazis. I actually like parts of the show and I do think Star Wars has room to explore complex topics but so many people suddenly act like
>The force
>Jedi
>The sith
>John Williams
Is shit and for children when it IS the foundation of the setting. The Moffs and their politics are cool but characters like Kyle Katarn are Star Wars to it's core.

>>2481848
John williams won't be around forever
If the franchise is to continue they need to be willing to add to the music, and meaningfully so
And I didn't say those things are shit, I more implied the people who whine when a game "needs" or "should have been" frankly another force game, are holding the franchise back

You've got a huge galaxy and yet so few stories to tell
It's fucked

>>2481709
>Pistol
There's gear and mods to apply on hit effects like armor strip or burn stacks or +1 damage per shot fired
>Repeater
In theory high single target damage AP dumps should overcome armor but all the factors above are just better, but I think it does the job
As you implied and as I feel the blaster has a more appropriate range for most of the game's engagements
The sniper is fucking shit, And so is the marksman

>>2481763
Your priority should be maxing out your roster and getting the passive lounge XP asap

>>2481885
>You've got a huge galaxy and yet so few stories to tell
That's because it's a galaxy designed to one story, and it's a very simple good vs evil fairy tale. It's a good fairy tale, but that's still all it is. Everything else is just awkwardly tacked on because the fans are never satisfied and will pay for every scrap.

>>2481890
Longarms are made for off-turn damage, where their AP cost becomes irrelevant but their high base damage and crit multiplier won't. Assist, overwatch, retaliation, that's what you should use a longarm for. It'll outdamage all other weapon types easily in those cases.
The Sharpshooter class is pretty mid, though you can still use combos like Identify Weakness + Precision Shot to do reliable single-target damage at long range.

Repeater is easily the worst weapon type. It does good damage if you use the 3 AP attack, but that stops you from moving and its range isn't good enough to play sniper with it, so you need to waste AP walking up to the enemy anyway. And if you're using less than 3 AP it doesn't compare well against the other weapon types. It's off-turn damage is also extremely low compared to other weapons, since it only uses the 1 AP attack for those.
To make Repeater worth a shit they should at least make bonuses apply multiple times if you use multiple AP to shoot. A pistol using 3 AP to attack gets to apply its damage bonuses three times, but a repeater doing the same only gets them once.

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>Camera locks up on enemy turn, bricking the mission, hope you saved recently faggot/redo it all

>>2481885
>John williams won't be around forever
He won't but is anyone else missing him in this game? We get cockteased every intro with the lucasfilm logo and slow fade in... and no theme music. Not even a text crawl at the start of the campaign. WTF.

>>2481891
>getting the passive lounge XP asap
where's that?

>>2481885
I suppose I don't really consider that an issue since I love the swtor and kotor soundtracks, which are both not Williams, so I don't have that fear of missing out.
>You've got a huge galaxy and yet so few stories to tell
There is a lot of stories to tell and a lot have been told already, from Clone Commandos to Rebel spies to Imperial Pilots. Of course I want more of these but I usually just go back to old Legends stuff rather then look to new stuff for good stories. Take Zero Company for instance, the main plot layout is pretty strong and a classic Star Wars Rebel set up but so many specific writing choices and scenes annoy me that I don't really consider it to be a story I want to go back to. I hate how modern Clones are treated and written, I hate how Filoni's ocs are in everything and present everywhere, I hate how immature and incompetent the Imperials are whilst making the Rebels act like children who would get caught immediately if they were not destined to win by the story and I hate how everything must be a reference to something else. Now that is not to say it isn't salvageable but I always think about how the same scene would look but with a different writer.

Now I wonder if I like the writing in ZC because it's actually good (I think it is) or if it's because I spent the past several months playing Kojima games and his strange inhuman golems make the characters in this game seem much better in contrast

>>2482098
the writing is definitely more natural and lacks a lot of the millennial humor and/or psudeowank writing that has taken hold the past decade
Too bad the studio was gutted

>>2481911
Dont heavies have like the retribution skill or whatever its called? It seems good with the repeaters. Thats the only combo I can think of for them.

>>2481709
Rifles are workhorses. If you aren't feeling inspired on a build, use them.
Pistols are for Heavies to taunt and counter with, or for Scouts to spot with. Plus the aforementioned on-hit mods.
Repeaters are for exploiting spotted enemies or for Kabb to use after he uppercut-kills. Not bad on your Mando to jump in, blast away and jump out, either.
Longarms are good for Scoundrels, Medics and assist builds. Scoundrels get their own pseudo assist, and Medics should be buffing allies with most of their AP for the first few rounds, so the only attacks they make are the big meaty 100% accuracy assists.

Admittedly, that's just my thinking for now.

>>2482098
>>2482114
It's not the writing of the characters or even the dialogue necessarily that primarily annoys me, more the setup of scenes and how things playout. The most egregious example of modern shit writing that comes to me is the Order 66 scene. Simply compare how the Clones actually conducted their murders in the movie vs how they do it in game, it is night and day. You can see this too with Ahsoka in the last episode of the Clone Wars - how she somehow is able to avoid getting killed, gets a Clone on her side and then has a conversation with them in the hanger instead of them just rushing her whilst firing everything they have like they did in the movie (which actually killed Jedi). It's a little thing but it just sticks with me, same thing with Bennic. Compare the way he talks, moves and acts with someone like Yularen or Tarkin - I simply do not buy him as a high ranking commander. Now this is pedantic but my point is there is a reason they hired Peter Cushing instead of John Candy.

>>2482140
bennic isn't a high ranking commander since he was a lieutenant at the start of the game and was freshly a captain when order 66 happened
Low level officers are no different than low level grunts

I'm enjoying a longarm gunslinger. The extra crit chance is nice and the pistol chain kills makes it feel right at home with that being there in xcom 2

>>2482146
I can see what you are getting at but I have to disagree with officers being no different then their soldiers, armies just do not function like that. At least the ones that want to win wars. Now could there be a Republic officer who is down to Earth and ingratiates themselves with their men? Of course. I just think that Bennic is not portrayed or acted well when it comes to actually being an officer. If I'm going to get really nitpicky and annoying, I hate his body language. He's basically dancing in the Order 66 scene when he's talking to Hawks in a way that no real officer would. He looks everywhere and waves his arms around more like a militiaman then an actual soldier. Now this could just be his character as someone who really does not belong in his job but even then I would prefer something more Partagaz or Krennic, it's more aesthetic.

>>2482152
I'm not saying the roles of an officer and soldier are the same, but their demeanor won't be that different.

>>2482116
Believe it or not, retribution damage works best with longarms because of their high base stats. But if you want a more offensive tank the pistol can taunt 3 enemies a round so you don't need to spend your adv on the taunt skill

>>2481935
>He won't but is anyone else missing him in this game
I think they use it when it's appropriate and relevant
And I like it that way, it makes it more special
How cool is that that it manages to make you want to feel nostalgic instead of forcing it
>>2481943
Idk, I think it's in main upgrades

>>2482098
I think for me it's partially a "less is more" thing, a lot of the time characters these days are very in your face with their issues or telling you what they feel about everything you do and it hogs up a lot of the game but here the conversations back at the den are brief and even when they're about their backstories tend to be fairly to the point

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This line got me to ugly chuckle

>>2482152
He works in intelligence and is a desk jockey, he isn't made of the same stuff as combat officers.

>>2482189
You mean the lounge +5 bond XP for characters not on a mission? Free compounding XP sounds neat but it's nothing when you consider you can get +40 bond XP a pop otherwise. I decided to spend my credits elsewhere for the time

>>2482257
The passive xp gain means your non active party keeps up. It's huge.

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>twice per combat
>fully heals
I should buy this even though I barely need anything healing outside of default medic skill

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>>2482116
As mentioned, repeaters have the worst off-turn damage (which includes retribution) because off turn shots only use the shitty 1 AP version of the repeater.
There IS a combo that works with the repeater. You can fire a 3 AP shot with the repeater and then have the Astromech drip-feed AP to the repeater guy so they can take 1 AP shots afterwards. It's not amazing but it's the only way I can think of to get extra value out of a repeater, since it's just such an awkward weapon.

It's a shame the game doesn't have something like picture related for a real heavy weapon.

>>2482257
I rotate 2-3 guys out depending on the mission
For every mission that your characters arent on, your ENTIRE ROSTER builds bond experience with each other
The sooner you fill out your roster cap, that's some times 5-6 bond trainings per mission available to, say, tell rea
It's fucking nuts and it incentivizes not having a "golden squad"
I deployed Hawks 100% of the time this first playthrough but for the lounge alone I might purposely not because it's essentially the batshit training center from wotc

with the cap at 4 I never used a droid, are they any good?

>>2482742
>3 utility slots open
>+1 uses to every consumable, and a perk to make it +1 more
>Grants +1 movement bond training when it procs instead of 0.5 so it blatantly is good for operating objectives
>Mass reveal, spotted(+hit chance), -4 armor for 1 AP
>Flat 5% hit chance to all operators as a passive
>The ability to spend ap to grant someone else
>Has jump jets so not reliant on ladders to get up ledges
>Comes with a smoke grenade, concussion grenade, and impact grenade so you can immediately unequip and recoup your recruit cost
Very versatile for building bonds (literally just existing) and in combat

>>2482742
every time I bring a droid just for fun I never regret the decision. Their util is just so good and can make up for having 3 members.

>>2482742
The scout is the advantage battery whereas the droid is the AP battery. Scout hawkes feeds soldiers nuke, the mandalorian darts and the gunslinger ultimate. Droid feeds battle hawkes, sharpshooters and gunslinger normal attacks. Droid has more nades too. It all depends on the party.

>>2482356
Theres the possibility that because they fire in a spread-like pattern they have more chance of fucking up cover where the enemy stands (possibly even multiple layers) but this is something that could only be seen within the code so we will never know for sure.

>>2479740
Seriously? For fuck’s sake.

>>2482356
I think you are right. Its the rambo build with assault+gunslinger for crit where you strike at 3 AP, plus 1 AP strike (hawkes or droid) plus sweeping salvo or double strike from advantage. Problem is there are better builds than this.

>>2482356
>>2482933
Its Kabbs late game build when the uppercut no longer kills in 1 punch.

>>2481496
>zcom isn't a good name.
ZCOM is why they chose the name Zero Company. It's free marketing with vidya enthusiasts.