After 23 years Warcraft 3 got a new campaign.https://youtu.be/I1kXClUCyuAhttps://youtu.be/m-C20pyrvjk
Nobody cares about warcraft anymore :(
>>2487592>ReforgedEhh
>>2487592Sad.
Somehow they made a trailer that copies the RoC trailer and made it lamer.
>>2487592But why?
>>2487592every fucking year I pray nublizz doesn't touch wc3 ever again because the game doesn't really need to be updated by themWorst of all there's so many people glazing this shit alreadyNever been this mad in years
garbage
>>2487634Warcraft as an IP is under Microsoft the same way Age of Empires/Mythology is.Microsoft probably saw that AoE/M is making money by making DLCs meanwhile Warcraft and Starcraft are doing between jack and shit in comparison.
>>2487652what microsoft don't understand is that this studio must be purged
>>2487649I feel very much the same anon.It is my favorite game of all time, and ever since Reforged I feel bad playing it and won't through their official channels.
>>2487592I don't want to play as the undead though, I want to play as the good guys.
>>2487664anon the forsaken are the good guys
>>2487592the reforged look is pure cancer, it's so fucking ugly and oversaturated
>>2487592>forcing me to download another poorly optimized 10 gigabytes of shit I don't care aboutFuck you
>>2487592So is Microjeet trying to turn Warcraft 3 into another Age of Empires/Mythology type of perpetual cash cow? Just continuous graphic/gameplay "updates" plus new DLC and expansions?Because that's the feeling I get from this announcement.
>>2487723Yes. They tested it first in Diablo 2 with the new class. They will milk nostalgiafags forever.
$45 AUD for just one campaign? lol. lmao even. Are they taking the piss?
$50 for a 2010 Hiveworkshop tier campaign?It hurts.
>>2487739>>2487738Original WC3 looks so crisp compared to the new crap
>>2487739>>2487738why do they hate my favorite game so much?
>>2487737Did they hire that guy that made some fan examples years ago? also some look really unfinished >>2487738>>2487739Eh it looks fine, the fact that you can't use them in the OG campaign is fucking retarded
>>2487738How did they manage to do worse than a mod? https://kenshin.pl/classicplus/
>>2487723>So is Microjeet trying to turn Warcraft 3 into another Age of Empires/Mythology type of perpetual cash cow?Yes
are they doing anything to spice up the MP?
>>2487758Removed LAN play so you are forced to play on their serversAdded 24 unit selectionAdded new retarded neutral hero
>>2487762>Removed LAN play so you are forced to play on their serverswhy?
>>2487737>>2487738>>2487739these look so much better than original reforged and yet I still think they're kinda shitalso why does the terrain look so much shittier in BOTH reforged and definitive compared to the original? it's distractingly bad.
>>2487737>instead of taking the good aspects of reforged graphics and improving upon them while fixing what sucked let's scrap the whole thing and do a piss-poor "remaster" of the original graphics>oh yeah and let's force the game to be always online so we can spy on our players betterit's amazing that even when trying to undo their fuckups blizzard manages to fuck up harder than before
>>2487768There were no good aspects of reforged, they were unsalvageable
>>2487592am i reading this right? new campaign is undead only with special snowflake sylvanas as the hero? no campaigns for the other races?
>huge new campaign>always online client>lan removed>wc champions kia>the updated graphics are still shitwhy are blizzard such a monkey paw company?
I think the new graphics look pretty decent, mainly the terrain sucks
>>2487808They should fix the clipping of the tower foundation though (they won't)
>>2487814
>>2487769The reworked unit models were on the right path. The just needed to refine them and fix the glitches.
>>2487817
>>2487818>The reworked unit models were on the right path, just needed refinementAre we seriously doing historical revisionism a la "new thing is out now so last thing wasn't that bad actually"?Reforged graphics completely missed the graphical design philosphpy of WC3, unit readability was complete dogshit and there was no saving it.
>>2487649It's even more ridiculous because they put out Starcraft Remastered which is great. I feel bad for WC fags, Brood War chads are living the dream.
>>2487821What historical revisionism? Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty good, just needed adjustment.
>>2487840>Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty good???????
>>2487783apparently it's more like the rexxar rpg campaign with donut steel edgy main character and not-sylvanas elf waifu, I think it doesn't even have base building
>>2487845Oh yeah i can tell the Hiveworkshop guys worked on this one.
>>2487592I thought this would be free since WC3 reforged was a mess and it would be seen as a way to go back to making amends with the community and making way for WC4. But it costs as much as the base game + expansion, while adding nothing new besides a singleplayer campaign. So this is Microsoft Blizzard MO now. Get old game and add overpriced additions like the warlock class in D2 for low effort instead of making new games.Sad thing is people are praising them for it.
>>2487848yeah, it definitely feels like a custom campaign you'd download, except now you pay for it. even the "forsaken campaign" idea is something that has been done before by modders
>>2487763why indeed
>>2487840>Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty goodwelcome timeline traveler, in this timeline nobody on this site thought the new unit models looked good. Literally everyone on the planet thought they looked atrocious and how they should've just used the HotS models and artists instead of outsourcing everything to a malaysian sweatshop slave operation for pennies
>>2487808>>2487814>>2487817>>2487819looks like they changed everything except grubby's greedy disingenuous mug
>>2487737>SKRILLAX GOT JAWMOGGED AT LOOKSMAXX V TOTAL RIZZ HUMILIATION
>>2487737Fuck it, at this point I hope they come up with a 4th art style to toggle between too. I want to watch Happy queue up a 1v1 but the map and units look like they belong in JJK.
>>2487875>handsome squidward with hair
>>2487817The terrain with ice and ground looks AWFUL here. It's like a glass floor with holes to a pit. What the fuck is this?
>>2487876>2035>blizzard is still releasing $30 "expansions"(campaigns) for WC3 while adding a new artstyle(7th) instead of making a WC4
>>2487739>>2487737>>2487738I suppose at least one can appreciate the units keeping their models this time around- even if obviously everything looks like it's made out of clay and plastic and taken out of a shitty phone game. I can't believe this shipped. Then again, I couldn't believe Reforged I shipped either.Anyway I said a while ago that it's impossible for them to add a new race, since that would imply either making each model twice (three times at this point, lmao what a fucking mess) one for reforged/rereforged and one for classic, and, as we've seen at reforge launch (picrel), they simply can't make good looking classic units anymore which are faithful to the original art style. Either that, or make the new content exclusive to the newest set of graphics, like they've done with the campaign and in Diablo II. Which would mean disabling either the new race or the old graphics in ladder. It's a fucking mess and a travesty.
>>2487817I haven't had an issue with the new tilesets except this, it just looks terrible.
>>2487892>>2487737it's the lighting, they need to tweak the light source for each individual model to highlight it better, taking the original lighting and putting it as-is on higher poly models can only make things look bad
>>2487900Not really, it's the also the textures and models themselves. Look at DK in >>2487737, w3 was always obviously cartoony in a way, but the stronger units were (with exceptions) the more menacing they looked. DK looks like Squidward as some anon pointed out. Abomination might as well be a friendly misfit in a Pixar movie, even the reforged looked better. As far as the in-game models, yeah, you're mostly right. My biggest problems are with the buildings and the grass. They could even fucking keep the original tilesets, I don't know why they wouldn't. It's the biggest contributor to making the game look like clash royale
>>2487723That's exactly what they are trying to do and they are doing such a bad job with Warcraft III both on the result and the profits its almost comical
>>2487874lmao
>>2487723>>2487972wait didn't you guys complain about the death of rts games?
>>24879874chan users exist only to complain and be miserable, nothing is ever good enough for them.
>>2487987>>2487989you're posturing like you have a very astute point to make but you don't seem to actually have one, at least going by the content of your posts. can you explain what your point is supposed to be so people can respond to you
>>2487994
>>2487996proving him right, a curious approach
>>2487994I like WC3. If more content can be created for the game, I think that's a good thing, provided that it is of an acceptable level of quality. I think if you're upset at that premise then you're simply being upset for the sake of being upset. >>2487723 brought up AOE2 as an example which is strange because its model is very successful.
>>2488000
>>2488001how is that remotely related to either of the posts i quoted? why didn't you just act like a normal person and post this first?
>>2488013You replied to me asking "can you explain what your point is supposed to be so people can respond to you" and then I explained my position. >why didn't you just act like a normal person and post this first?I can't know what you'll ask of me in advance of you actually making a post
>>2488016>I can't know what you'll ask of me in advance of you actually making a postin general people would prefer it if you just post your position instead of some vague sanctimonious condemnation of the board. you really didn't know this in advance? you thought the way you posted would be the best approach?
>>2488017If you really think that then why didn't you include a few paragraphs of your full stance on this topic in your first post?
>>2488018because my first post was a question>>2487783why are you trying to come up with some gotcha to save face as if you don't know very well that you were being a blatant shitposter. just move on communicate with people like a normal person in the future
>>2488030>communicate with people like a normal person in the futuresir, you are on 4chan
>>2488030I made one snarky comment and then when asked I politely clarified my position, which was then never addressed even though it seems like that's what you were interested in in the first place. You're overreacting.
So what's the campaign like?
>>2488085It's not out yet, is it? From what I saw it seemed to be more hero focused than previous campaigns, with a custom menu with more equip slots, talents and a larger backpack, and an article mentioned being able to capture a tower that spawns allied controlled reinforcements on a map in a pseudo-MOBA style. Could be good, could be bad, I liked the Rexxar campaign and wouldn't mind more of the same but for a full price tag it better not be some half-assed maps when TFT gave us four full campaigns and roster expansions.
>>2487592>It's a prequel campaign pegged between RoC and TFT.No, Blizzard. I will not buy it.They only way I would buy a new WC3 campaign while stomaching the new graphics is if it were used to undo 20+ years of bullshit lore introduced during WoW.Take notes, Hindi-1B hire from Micro$oft reading this: RTS are on the rise and you would make a lot of cash with a proper Warcraft 4 right after TFT to set the record straight.
The issue with the new graphics is that they lack the high contrast and bold outlines that made the old units rapidly identifiable in fights, which is essential for an rts. It's like they don't understand graphic design at all.
To the anon that said they were called assassins in the other thread. WRONG! I got banned so had to post here sorry.
>>2488096What? It's not a prequest to wow about how the undead joined the horde?
>>2487649you know you can play the original nobody is stopping you. its there. its available
>>2487987if rts is dead, this sort of thing is raping it's corpse.
>>2487763Power and control.
>>2488088>It's not out yet, is it?I saw people posting screenshots of the campaign
>Look how they massacred my boy!FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!I hate the Forsaken as well as the elves even more than before!
>>2487845> I think it doesn't even have base buildingReally?
>>2487768Oh fuck off, this is like the definition of bitching for the sake of bitching if you're actually defending the Reforged look. All people wanted from the start was "the WC3 look, but HD". Are we there yet? Not really but let's not pretend Reforged looking so offputting and at odds with the original artstyle wasn't 90% of people's problem with it.
>>2488268Honestly I'm just surprised they acknowledged his existence because not once did they ever do it in WoW.
>>2488371>"the WC3 look, but HD"Looks like shit, as we have seen. You need to do a bit more than just upscaling the old, or else it just looks like some weird cartoon toys. HotS is the perfect middle ground IMO.
>>2488398
>>2488398>or else it just looks like some weird cartoon toysSounds like you just hate the WC3 aesthetic because the characters looking like action figures was a huge part of its charm. But then, people whose main game they played every day wasn't WC3, fucking bitched endlessly any time a game had what they would call WC3 graphics (later WoW graphics)
>>2487848Correct, it was made by the team behind the Chronicles of the Second War mod
I don't know what to think of the hero equip system. I mean it's neat, and it's not like WC3 ever stopped us from making OP heroes before with shit like buying infinite tomes, but it feels like a lot of micro if you're using more than 1 hero
>>2488371>all people wantedWhat people faggot? I was there before Reforged was released and plenty of anons actually appreciated that Blizzard was seemingly trying to do a full remake rather than just lazily remastering stuff. What is this weird revisionism? Are you freaks so incapable of admitting one minor positive about Reforged that you have to go full contrarian retard?
>>2488408>one minor positive about ReforgedYou're asking me to claim as a positive the thing OVERWHELMINGLY viewed as a negative and used to mock the game to this day, and you're asking me to engage in revisionism?
>>2488268>His horse's skull attached to his left arm.C U T E
>>2488408>I was there before Reforged was released and plenty of anons actually appreciated that Blizzard was seemingly trying to do a full remake rather than just lazily remastering stuff.I think you have your timeline a little mixed up there. When Reforged was announced, it was 2018 and while Blizzard didn't have the "can do no wrong" reputation for a while at that point, there were nowhere near the "fuck anything they touch" reputation yet, and no one at announcement thought it was going it would be seriously fucked up considering>they lied to us on what Reforged was going to look like>SC Remaster was good so we didn't expect differentNo one thought it was a true remake except the completely bamboozled, people thought it was just a really high-effort remaster which again, it wasn't even that wasn't what we got, pic related. Yes, Reforged is hated for trying to force us to upgrade, killing custom games, always online, etc. But that's not what you find people on /v/ bitch about all the time, it's the shit aesthetic.
>>2487652>>2487723For once I genuinely have to ask, what is the problem with this? The AoE/AoM content is really good. 30 bucks is a bit much, I'll fully admit that, that's usually a whole season pass for AoMDE. But I don't have a problem with paying for more content if the content is good.
>>2488401Idk Warcraft 3 is my favorite and probably most played game of all time. I love the aesthetic, for how it was presented at the time, but I always saw it more as representing the artworks from back then. Now when the technology is there I would love for it to be closer to that. I do "bitch" when other games shamelessly copy it yes.
>>2488422>I do "bitch" when other games shamelessly copy it yes.See I was the opposite, when other RTS blatantly tried to look like WC3 like say War of the Ring did, I was glad other people actually recognized a good aesthetic when they saw it and not everything had to look like Command and Conquer.
>>2488422I've unironically fallen for the argument of "cruder graphics is better because it lets your imagination fill in the gaps", I'm fully bought in on that now because the alternative is endlessly chasing realism which dates graphics within a few years. There's a reason FFX graphically aged so quickly but KH1 didn't, cartoony designs just age slower and are more timeless.
The new style is much better but the unit portraits and animations are really bad. I don't think most of them are actually animated. The ghoul portrait looks so bad and doesn't move despite talking.
>>2488421>if the content is good.Different expectations: Age of Empires expansions always offers new factions to play in addition to new campaigns/scenarios, and their remaster jobs fuck-ups don't get nowhere near to the level that Warcraft III Reforged fuck up was, and to this day Blizz has not done enough to undo said fuckup, the new visuals are a somewhat nice step in the right direction, but holy shit that shouldn't be a paid feature. That new Microsoft CEO need to put more firecrackers on Blizz's ass, one was not enough.
>>2488433Yeah I do think it depends, War of the Ring was cool, fuck the haters! Meanwhile Homm5 just going full huge pauldrons and spikes everywhere was lame af.>>2488435This is a good point and I tend to agree, maybe not crude graphics per se but definitely "stylized". I think HotS looks great still even though it's over 10 years old. Shit time flies...
>>2487872>malaysian sweatshop slave operation for penniesThe Malaysian sweatshop slaves are literally blameless. They even told Blizzard this artstyle fucking sucked and gave them proposals for one that was more in line with the original WC3, but Blizzard declined. Blizzard WANTED that Reforged look.Reforged was 100% on Blizzard itself.
>>2488463Not to mention that they also worked on Starcraft Remastered, which should had been the quality benchmark for such job.
>>2488421>For once I genuinely have to ask, what is the problem with this?Because they are trying to build on a broken foundation with Reforged when what they should have actually done is made a completely new Definitive Edition which isn't riddled with mistakes of the past.Also from what I've seen the new campaign is just Blizzard introducing World of Warcraft's cancerous lore into Warcraft 3 complete with Sylvanas wankery.
>>2487768>always online Good thing I can already pirate the original otherwise I'd be extremely mad about them The Crewing this.
>>2487987>So nu-blizzard is doing an awful job yet again?>wow shame on you for pointing it out you are killing the RTSYou are the worst kind of retard out there
It's tragicomic that no matter what they do, be it reforged or this, the terrain is the worst. How hard can it be?
>>2488613As >>2488420 shows, the current 'artists' have no idea nor the producers who greenlit such garbage. We lost the technology, as in there is no one passing down good practices or lessons on how and why to do certain choices so its all headless chickens trying to poorly mimic what it was without understanding how or why
>>2488613It bears a striking color palette resemblance to the W1 and W2 remasters, I think for some unfathomable reason they though W3 should get uniform treatment and make the artstyle in line with the other remasters. I hate women and brown people in charge of these decisions and I wish they were gone from this industry, permanently
>>2488421good content is subjective. If you believe in the year of our lord 2026 nu-Blizzard can deliver good content on par with what TFT was for RoC, or what the community has been putting all these years, more power to you.But just for reference, the new campaign, which is already out, uses the retconned version of he Scarlet Crusade origins. What guarantees do we have that they won't push Shadowlands stuff into the game (Jailor bs and all that), or their new anti-Warcraft agenda?
>>2488421>what is the problem with this?There is no problem if the content was good, AoE shows this clearly. The problem is Warcraft keeps getting shit on by remakes that are actually downgrades
>>2488706You think theyre going to make an actual rts campaign? I dont want to play a horde tft campaign or your usual hiveworkshop no build campaigns
That host lady hyping everyone up like they are about to announce wc4 to then just be a fucking rexxar-style campaign is wild. These cunts really learned nothing from the "you don't have phones" farce kek.
i want to get into the pvp of this game as night elf but i've never played rts games before, how should i go about learning the game? i already played the campaigns but didn't really "get" the game ya know
>>2487592>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NHhFC87TeI>check the comments>people love ithuh
>>2488772>look up build orders made by better players>practice them>???>profit
>>2488749I really liked the Rexxar campaign so I don't mind but $50 (you also have to buy deforged if you don't have it) for what I've seen seems too steep. It's even partially made by fan modders so it seems like you're just paying for a well-made Hiveworkshop custom campaign that Blizzard provided some voice acting and cinematics for. I'd still easily buy it just to try it if that fucking insult that is reforged wasn't a requirement.
>>2488772Play vs computer until you can beat 7 allied on hardest diff.
>>2487737The faces have fuck all animation, mostly just their lips moving. Old WC3 portraits were much more active :/
Did anyone even actually play the new campaign? I heard that it's almost exclusively no-build missions which sounds fucking atrocious, is this true? That + being forced to buy Reforged is well enough to keep me away
>>2488850I haven't played it, but I've read some user posts about it and yes, it is entirely no-build missions. I think in one of them you have a ship you can repair or upgrade and train units from, but I think it's just food costs. I think there might be two campaigns though, one Rexxar style where you play as humans and then a Forsaken one, presumably centered around Sylvanas?
>>2488850I played it. Both are like the TFT orc campaign mostly. Kinda shit as I actually like building bases in missions.
>>2488850What the fuck were they thinking bros... It's been over 20 years and they can't be arsed to design an actual RTS campaign?Imagine paying 30 bucks *just* for Rexxar's campaign
>>2488897They didn't want to commit to making a new race.
>>2488897>What the fuck were they thinking bros... It's been over 20 years and they can't be arsed to design an actual RTS campaign?They didn't really design this one either
>>2488897Also some units have no dialogue when you click them in it
Yeah it pisses me off desu. While I think the Rexxar campaign was great, as a side thing, it's not what Wacraft is about. Especially considering we have had 20+ years of WoW for that RPG vibe, it's a bizarre choice. If they just made the prologue like that it would be fine, and then the Forsaken campaign traditional with some no-build missions here and there. Disappointing.
I want to cope Microsoft lit a fire under their asses and they coppled this together quickly to have SOMETHING to show, hey we are still here! And they have something bigger in the pipeline. But probably not kek.
>>2488908>While I think the Rexxar campaign was great, as a side thingI always thought it's more of a proto-world of warcraft proof of concept demo than an actual campaign
>>2488297>Dies of gAIDSAlways funny
>>2488910What even are Blizzard making anymore? I'm presuming WoW, but I haven't kept up with that since 2010
>>2488374Because some who worked independently on Warcraft 3 projects are currently working on Blizzard, so they put him there so he wouldn't be forgotten, even though I don't like him at all. Better to leave him dead. Still, it's good that there's always an alternative to that. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghGagr3udA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8uAd6Z4WpA
>>2488850I did the prologue, it's 4 missions with one of them being a strange pseudo-build (you get workers, collect resources and can build buildings, but the tech tree is weird and you unlock new units by securing points on the map), and even then the 2nd part of that level is still a no-build. Lots of WoW fan service with a bunch of vanilla WoW glup shittos showing up. Honestly not terrible though so far
>>2488897>Imagine paying 30 bucks *just* for Rexxar's campaignFunnily enough Rexxar campaign was released for free back in the day.
God the new DE designs suck ass. It's like they just used AI to translate the original low-poly designs into more "modern" ones ignoring that half the charm of the old designs came FROM the fact that they were low-poly. Even Reforged designs are better than this shit since at least they were handcrafted from scratch. How the fuck did Heroes of the Storm of all things have the best updated WC unit models?
>>2489095>ignoring that half the charm of the old designs came FROM the fact that they were low-polyI'm old as hell and I hated the models when w3 launched and they never grew on me. I was pissed they chose Warcraft to get their feet wet with 3d. The models looked like shit then, and they still look like shit now. I'll never get why people think they look good, even with nostalgia. They're objectively bad, even for the time. The models weren't made for charm, they were ps1 levels of polys because no computer at the time could handle a bunch of units on the screen at once. Having said all that the new models are merely ok, but certainly an improvement. But nothing is going to help unit clarity I'm this game.
>>2489101You lack SOVL
Is the 24 unit control group retroactive to the old campaigns too?
>>2489123the 24 unit control applies to everything including pvp
holy fuck how long is the first level in the forsaken campaign
>>2489068Rexxar's campaign was the Orc campaign you paid for when you bought TFT, it was just incomplete at launch. AFAIK it shipped with only Act 1 complete and then later patches added Act 2&3 to finish the campaign.
>>2489138Frozen Throne wasn't going to have an Orc campaign at first because of time constraints, so some devs decided to make the Rexxar campaign as something extra. That's why it's called a "bonus campaign".
>>2489123>>2489131Unironically might be the only good thing they did. Too bad it took them 20 years to implement and they bricked all the custom maps who might have used it in the process.
>>2489068Yes captain obvious that was the entire point of this statement.
>>2488420>killing custom gameswhat does this mean? i played thousand of custom games since reforged
>>2488850>a fucking kart racer mission.
>>2489269Reforged broke most old custom games on launch and due to how fucking buggy it was things just remained shit for years. Anything still actively developed/maintained is now fully playable and the client is far less unstable, but good luck trying to play any map from 2015 or older.
>>2488900yeah delivering an inferior product is much easier
I will pirate this if it gets crackedOr buy if it gets decoupled from reforgedBut I will never, ever, ever, EVER pay for that dogshit reforged. Not even if they make 100 godlike campaigns. I simply could not bring myself to cross that line.
>>2489826>Not even if they make 100 godlike campaignsThat seems silly. But keep virtue signaling. Snowflake.
>>2489908kys blizzdrone
lolThey censored Whitemane's thighs. The feminists and nu-males at Blizzard couldn't hold themselves and struck again. We should count our blessings that they even included her in the first place...Also what the fuck is with her face? And why is Mograine a manlet when he has consistently been shown to be a lot taller than her.Anyone who's not pirating this is a tool.
>>2489982where did you get it? I can't find a crack
>>2489982Why is that dude Canadian?
>>2489177>Introduce one quality of life fix after decades>Breaks half of the custom maps yet again, removes LAN, makes the entire game mandatory always online1 step forward 10 steps backward
>>2489982>Anyone who's not pirating this is a tool.pretty sure pirating this will be impossible much like starcraft remastered
Do you get an int hero during the campaign?One of the wolves in act 1 dropped a staff of jordan for me
>>2490221Kekeke u giv soj ^_________________^
