This game looks like shit. I'm sticking to DoW1.
>>2493718it looks good tho, arguably 10x better than total war CA has presented
I’m willing to give DoW4 a chance. But I still think DoW1 was peak, specifically vanilla/WA (DC ruined the balance and I never played Soulstorm)
>>2493718This UI is a bit overbearing.
>>2493718the unit scale is completely fucked in DoW4, and the maps are fuckhuge and empty. I don't think it'll be a success bros...
>>2493718The battlefield reports show it is clearer when you don't have these CRAM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR HYPE screenshotshttps://youtu.be/VEpODv4qmLkhttps://youtu.be/-1wLXolX4CQhttps://youtu.be/yvhL7ben1Wchttps://youtu.be/Ansr816IujkThe floating icons are a sign of the times but not too bad for unit purpose and identity, like DoW2 or CoH
>>2493759they're bad at the game and only build t1 units and drop expensive defenses in the middle of enemy attackshttps://youtu.be/2afDKfzXawg
I'm autistic how should I place my gens so they look nice or have some sort of tactical sense? It's not often I get to encircle them around a Listening Post.
>>2493718retard
>>2495146>no such as thing bad publicityretardRage baiting would make sense if I was getting paid for engagement like all the verified posters on Twitter.
These maps look like dogshit. Why is every single one just a collection of rooms and doorways? You watch each battle report and there's no flanking or interacting with the terrain. Each guy just marches his dudes directly into a chokepoint until one person uses their bombing run ability.
>>2493837>only build t1 units and drop expensive defenses in the middle of enemy attacksBASED just like my KINO dow1 intro movie
>>2493718it looks finethe main thing dow1 has over it is moddability which no modern game is ever going to surpassi'll play dow4 because i want new games and a fresh canvas without established meta
>>2495327>we want dawn of war to be exactly like tabletop 40k, boring and lame
>>2493837>>2493759jesus i can't parse this primaris shit at all, everything looks the same to me. i hope i manage to get used to it when the game comes out
>>2495472>jesus i can't parse this primaris shit at allEvery time I think I'll give DoW4 and TW:40k a chance, I remember that they're primarislop. I just can't do it. It's so stupid.
>>2493837>10:54>Here, have an auto-building giga-turret right on top of your dudes!And I thought the turret rework (read: "raping") in Dark Crusade was bad enough.
>>2495602>"Hammerfall ***Bunker***"You can't shove your dudes in there, right?! Deep striking this is insane!
Does Dawn of War 1 have any soulful Easter Eggs since it's so much like Warcraft III or is it only out-of-the-way optional objectives and leftover weird shit in the maps?In fact does any game after the first have anything at all?
>>2493759Looks unironically better than the latest TW slop
>>2493718i really don't like the unit portraits, they are not discernible enoughhomm olden era had a similar problem, but they fixed it by making the units bigger on their icons
>>2495642Dawn of War 1 doesn't really have any Easter eggs.Dawn of War 2 has some meme lines though.
>>2495804>Dawn of War 1 doesn't really have any Easter eggsbunkers from cnc generals on a couple of maps
>>2495808I think that's just a map object.
>>2495642>units don't even have any pissed lines>not a single culture reference>no patrol button>in all four gamesDawn of War... has no sovl?https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Quotes_of_Warcraft_I#Angry_2https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/WC1_Orc_annoy3.wav
>>2495642Dawn of War 2 has superior soundtrack, if you care about that.
>>2495891Not what I meant and that's not even close to true except when comparing the base games' title themes.
>>2495642>Hop along the bunny trail!>Hippity Hoppity!>I'm all ears!
>>2495642>leftover weird shit in the mapsThese two bridges in Mission 4 that stop existing once this Mek Shop or the starting Ork base is destroyed, is a great example.
>>2495891>Dawn of War 2 has superior soundtrack
>>2493754>maps are fuckhuge and emptyso just like dow1 which everyone loves for some reason?
>>2496034who is that slut?
>>2496062DoW1 has tiny maps with debuffing water and defense buffing impact craters, what the fuck are you talking about? They are nothing alike
>>2495642>>2495863I think Vermintide 2 might be the only Warhammer game with explicit references to anything beyond inheriting stolen character designs and archetypes.
>>2496063Your mom?
>>2495927That's a map making fumble. The bigger question is why do the bridges have any health at all.
Anyone have alpha gameplay footage and screenshots for DOW4 ?
What can/can't be shift queued?Why do people not actually mod this game to fix its bullshit and make everything able to be shift queued?
>>2497549Dawn of War 1 and 2 both have shift queues.
>>2496182>The bigger question is why do the bridges have any health at all.WHO DAT RUMBLIN'?
>>2494637Like this
>>2499731Why would you put generators that become AoE bombs when destroyed around your HQ building? This is tactical but for the enemy
>>2499916>muh puny damage to muh 1000s of hp HQGentile.
>>2499917I'd rather be a gentile than a stupid fucking nigger retard
>>2499916>generators that become AoE bombsthey do???
>>2499982Generators have an incredibly weak area of effect explosion that damages everything around them when they are destroyed.It's so weak and situational that I really wonder why it's even a thing.
>>2499982It's barely worth mentioning.
>>2500142>22.5 damage out of 6000 Building HP that produces Servitors that can heal it in a microsecond absolutely rapes the goyim.>>2499917picrel
>>2500174Actually, that's 1 in 4 chance to deal 22.5 damage out of a 6000 hp building
>>2500183Live goyim reactionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pql0__Ii67A
>>2500038it's called sovl, being a brown person you wouldn't get it, understandable
>>2500210sovl would be it doing enough damage to instantly kill full health vehicles and low base health buildings nearby
THIS is what happens when you aren't careful with Plasma Generators.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKXPmjsclA
>>2500142If you are not respecting this damage, and more important the throw force, then you are throwing games by unserious gameplay.
>>2500231G-d forbid my Stronghold be flung about by harassers targeting my gens which Dark Crusade's turret raping has made a free action. #BaseGameSupremacy
>>2500231LarpPotentially losing 1-3 models from them being knocked back and unable to run away hurts a lot less than losing a plasma generator in Automatch.
>>2493718It looks so bad compared to Total War, yet it steals the total war UI for some reason. Then to release them both in competition with each other. I don't know maybe it's some 5 head marketing strat.
>>2500286Doesn't this game give invuln to models that are knocked down anyways
>>2500308No, they just can't be manually targeted.Some knock down states will also still get shot at by enemies units.
>>2495642How is DoW similar to WC3?
>>2500372>How is DoW similar to WC3?Both feature the lines, "Zug zug" and "Job's done"
>>2500372Superficially. Despite making Homeworld and Impossible Creatures before, Dawn of War, and Dawn of War supposedly running on Impossible Creatures' 'engine', clearly uses Warcraft III as a baseline.Did you know Impossible Creatures has a 7x3 grid by the way? No way for grid keys though, so I'm told.
New trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy8qn3VqYiE) reminds us that the game takes place on Kronus yet still has only four races, out of the eight that Dark Crusade had when we first went there.But I am a 40k gentile so I can't wait to pay tens more United States Dollars for each new individual race as it comes out! Maybe they'll sell them in pairs to own the chuds with their generosity!
>>2502112There's nothing like a trailer to make you feel completely embarrassed to be a fan of whatever it's advertising.
>>2493752the inset minimap is especially retarded
Looks AI, unironically.
>>2503212Given these are up-jumped literal who's given the task of making Dawn of War IV, I wouldn't be surprised.
>>2502112I hate that the game included SMs outside of blood ravens
>>2503267Their justification as seen in the trailer is that (ultimately thanks to the Codex Retardes) the Blood Ravens are so few in number that they no longer play as however you decided to play them back in the day as they were so malleable, but mainly for stealth, led by a promoted Cyrus.This is ass of course, so we conveniently have a new perfect opportunity to bring in the Dark Angels whose favor by the corpos is second only to the Toilet Marines.Remember that everything and everyone in 10e Primarislop now, possibly even 11e.
>>2503212>Looks AI, unironically.No one is going to even make games in the future, are they? It's all just going to be gamerslop.This is incredibly grim.
>>2503277We are already at neural interfacing (You can thank Gabe and Gray Newell, and Elon Musk BTW) There are more pressing matters at hand.But yes.
>>2503279I will not live in the pod.I will not eat the bugs.I will not put the chip in my brain.I hate the anti-Christ.
>>2503287Too latehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRCLmtRw_nUI couldn't find sub.
>>2499731Since when were Plasma Gens accompanied by logs of poo?
>>2503305Those are supposed to be power cables
>>2499731Your generator placement is extremely unaesthetic.
>>2503362Nice satire of a Toilet Marine fan but it's too obvious. They aren't THAT stupid, surely?
I think Dark Mechanicum, following the new and corpo-favorite Vashtorr is pretty likely, but what about Xenarites? Any bets they'll even be acknowledged in any way? Necrons are right there just like in Mechanicus.By the way the DLC sucked ass lmao its gear was bugged and destroyed the game and the writing didn't acknowledge an openly Xenarite player at *all* and pretended they were 100% kosher.
>>2493718It looks like the mobile base-builder shovelwares from the 2010s.This genre of gaming is joever.Perhaps the OmnissiAIh can save us from this Slopalypse.
>>2493723Barring graphics it looks like an RTS from 2002.
>>2507253So the era of good sovl RTS then.
https://youtu.be/YVmXDMM48zgAdvanced unit painter can go by individual parts
>>2508202I was excited about this, but then primarisslop crushed my enthusiasm.
i got into the beta and i cant fucking believe the controls are worse than games from the 2000, legit theres not even keybinds.
>>2508202>tactical baby carrierthis is so incredibly fucking retarded, why couldn't they just stick with good ol dreadnoughts?
>>2508373The answer is always "Goyim will never, EVER, resist or do literally anything", so enjoy your humiliation, cattle.
>Press R to retreat with bonus armor and speed>We HAVE to have this over simply right-clicking your dudes out of combatDawn of War II really ruined everything for all of time didn't it
>>2508373There is nothing retarded about it. It's a flavorful unit for Phobos themed forceThey have Dreadnoughts too
>>2493718There's no need for the floating icons, they look terrible and get in the way of the view. Also the buildings are too big compared to the units, the units are so tiny you can barely see them.Also I hate the faction choice. We should have space marines, orkz, eldar, and chaos as a BARE MINIMUM. Not fucking engineers as a faction. And necrons should be a DLC.
>>2508375>We HAVE to have this over simply right-clicking your dudes out of combatpointless gookclicking
>>2508395>There is nothing retarded about it.Everything about the primaris is retarded and spits in the face of the themes of the setting.>technology is stagnant and regressing for ten thousand years>we unironically lost the technology and can’t go back>every suit of terminator armor destroyed, every land raider lost, a priceless relic that will never be recovered>newer gear is a pale imitation of the ancient treasured relics>just kidding here’s some retard with a bunch of new bullshit that’s super amazing and better in every way oh and by the way the space marines are now weak and outclassed please buy our new modelsIt’s extremely retarded and Wrong.
>>2508419secondary flanderizationTech was always slowly progressing which is why you have different armor marks evenPrimaris were started 10k years ago, which fittingly to a setting retarded Imperium handicappedTerminator Armor and Land Raiders aren't priceless relics, they are manufactured stillMk8 armor or Xenophase Blades aren't a pale imitation of originalPrimaris are a nothingburger of an upgrade and just a propaganda and Cawl is a hack
>>2508438I grew up with the 90s lore, I have no idea what kind of dumb shit GW is asspulling nowadays. My first exposure to Primarisslop was Battlesector>Tech was always slowly progressing which is why you have different armor marks evenWAS, past tense, and anything newer is slowly produced in trivially small amounts. Mark I through VII armor predates the Heresy and Mark VIII armor is still 10,000 years old, slowly made piecemeal, and generally just to replace individual pieces of older suits>Primaris were started 10k years ago, which fittingly to a setting retarded Imperium handicappedThere were no primaris in lore until recently, it’s a stupid asspull by GW to justify selling new models.>Terminator Armor and Land Raiders aren't priceless relics, they are manufactured stillManufactured in tiny amounts insufficient to replace large scale losses, which is why things like “lol the entire ultramarines first company got eaten” was a devastating and irreplaceable loss >Mk8 armor or Xenophase Blades aren't a pale imitation of originalMark VIII armor is, again, ten thousand years old, and I’ve literally never heard of “xenophase blades”, is this more new dumb shit they made up?
>>2508470>WAS, past tensenope. It advances all the time, albeit slowly. With entire forge worlds producing as many Terminator armors as it is possible>Mark VIII armor is still 10,000 years oldjust like mkX>slowly made piecemeal, and generally just to replace individual pieces of older suitsNope, that's why those who could afford it like Deathwatch used it as a baseline. It being newer and better than old tech>until recently10 years ago is not recently>Manufactured in tiny amounts insufficient to replace large scale losses,Not at all, which is why marines can afford to lose them all the time>Mark VIII armor is, again, ten thousand years old,just like mkx>and I’ve literally never heard of “xenophase blades”, larp or retardedIt's gimmicky, exotic new tech made out of Necron technology, similar to Phase Sword Callidus assassins use, but for Marines since they are high tech elite faction of the Imperium which gets better gear than GuardDeathwatch uses it
>>2508202Don't care about /vst/ contrarians, it looks fucking sick and I hope it delivers in full so I get my astra militarium expansion
>>2508395>unironic dreadknight fan spotted in the wildlole
>>2508395>There is nothing retarded about it.Except the fact that the driver is fully exposed to literally any weapon of any enemy in the 40k universe, at any range
>>2508202>behold... we put a space marine in your space marine exoskeleton suit so you can... hold a bolter... just like you could normally... but in a SUIT
i'm probably never gonna play another 40k game with space marines in the spotlight (read: all of them) anymore desu, i just hate primaris too much. it's too dumb. i used to love this shit
>>2508688I have hope that the primaris era strategy games will have cosmetic overhaul mods that just replace everything with firstborn models.
>>2508714yeah, i imagine the total war game will get that. but many things can't be just reskinned and would have to be totally remade, so i think it's only gonna happen to the titles with great moddability and big community investment.
>>2493723>it looks good tho,>rudimentary base building and economy>chockepoint slop
>>2508688I hope you have autism, because that is not a normal response to something so unimportant.
>>2508354Well that's what you getting for "le campaign focused" game.
>>2508776NTA, but I generally feel the same. I like 40k's setting overall, but the Imperial Guard and Space Marines are the least interesting things in it. If humanity has to be the centerpiece, I'd prefer it be literally anything or anyone else than the IG or SMs, so shit like Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy are much more preferable IMO.Now in a strategy war game, I understand those are the most relevant (ground) armies humanity has in the setting, so I don't mind them being included, but I would much prefer for such a game to also have a campaign or primary/major gameplay mode where I can play any other race or army, other than those two.
>>2508808I mean I like SoB and Guard the most. I just kinda don't pay attention to the main story and haven't read a single 30k novel. I still like the setting and play some of the games.
>>2508776NTA, but the lore behind it is absolutely retarded and I hate the trademarkable names, though that is a longer trend. Give me back space marine tactical squad instead of Adeputs Astartes(TM) Intercessors(TM).The designs/models are fine though and I don't mind.
>>2508776lol whaddya mean, that's practically the most normal-ass response you can have>like cool looking thing because it looks cool>thing's design changes to something you don't consider cool>lose interest in thingwhat's the non-autistic thing to do in your mind? keep following thing out of brand loyalty because it's still thing (tm)?
>>2508776it's just gay and lame and seeing it reminds me this is not the 40k i grew to like. i don't want floating boxes with twelve new stubber variants poking out in every direction, i want the treads of heavy metal crushing the ground underneath them. i don't want baby carriers carrying robot pistols in their robot hands like it's some weeb cartoon, i want real Dreadnaughts with gun platforms bolted to their sides. i mean, the only primaris ground vehicle i can even remember right now is a fucking go kart. what's up with that? and i don't want the uniform specialized primarissimo uninteressus hadesian foeblasters, all carrying the overtuned mk cawl supermega gaussmaton rifle. i want my assault and devastator squads back. i loved all that shit and now it's gone and the stupidest thing i've ever seen is occupying its space. i can't be expected to enjoy it anymore.
>>2508776When games are cosmetically repulsive to me I don't enjoy them even if the gameplay itself is something I like.I just don't like primaris in terms of writing or cosmetics, they really kill my enthusiasm when they're present.And can you imagine if they did the same total corporate makeover for another faction like that? Orks without ork boyz and gretchin? Eldar without guardians? It murdered the faction for me, at least there's other races I like.
>>2508477>10 years ago is not recently>It's gimmicky, exotic new tech made out of Necron technologyI have ascended over your petty "canon" and choose for myself what is real, and what is fake and gay. You are citing a bunch of fake and gay new shit that GW pulled out of their ass, and that I do not care about. I disregard and ignore this, and you shall continue to watch as GW shits all over everything and makes it dumber and dumber, forever.
>>2508936while i agree this is the only way to enjoy 40k, taking a blade off a dead necron, making a new hilt for it and calling it cutting-edge deathwatch weaponry is pretty funny and i think neat
How overpowered will the M'an George Droyd of the Adeptus Niggerus be?>>2508936But anon, baby carriers for primaris "dreadnoughts" is the peak of "technology and thinking are frowned upon, the future looks bleak". You have Space Marine copy Sisters of Battle tech for no reason other than that it seems popular with the girls.
>>2509075>How overpowered will the M'an George Droyd of the Adeptus Niggerus be?Won't be, since she is not playable. Looks like she is some kind of a martyr abandoned by that Tech priest, who dies in a cutscene after allAs far as Commanders goMarines>Chaplain on a Bike>Chief Librarian>Captain (Phobos armor/Cyrus)>Company Master (Captain in Terminator armor)No army painter in playtest. If you play as Captain or Librarian you are Blood Ravens. If you play as other two, you are Dark AngelsOrks>Beastboss on a Squigosaur>Beastboss (on foot)>Warboss (Gorgutz)Necrons>Chronomancer>Skorpekh LordAdmech>Skitarii Marshall>Technoarcheologist (white girl)By default you have to start without them and have to recruit them like in DoW1. There is an option to start with commanders though
Since we all agree that shitmaris is shit for goycattle, can we also all agree that FROM THE EYE OF TERROR, WE COME TO KILL>>2508808>If humanity has to be the centerpiece, I'd prefer it be literally anything or anyone else than the IG or SMs, so shit like Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy are much more preferable IMOI quite literally, without exaggeration, require a Black Crusade game.
>>2509176>I quite literally, without exaggeration, require a Black Crusade gamebattlefleet gothic armada 2 chaos campaign
>>2509184Played it, replayed it, modded it and replayed it.https://youtu.be/psAZzQto3mo?t=123The fact they never did an Eldar campaign still annoys me.
>>2509188The AI in that game is so comically weak to eldar corsairs.
>>2509202Eldar were actually my favourite faction to fight against, there is just something so cathartic about catching them.
>>2493718Why does every piece of marketing material for this game make it look like it's a lane-based autobattler?
>>2509240>Why does every piece of marketing material for this game make it look like it's a lane-based autobattler?Are you emotionally preparing yourself for the possibility that it will be a lane-based autobattler?
>>2508936This sort of thing exists since 3rd Edition you retarded larper>>2508619this isn't dreadknight>>2508685it's a light recon vehiclemarine power armor is better than a window would be
>>2509294>this isn't a dreadknightit's an even gayer twink dreadknight>light recon vehiclespace marines already had light recon vehicles that weren't some retarded baby carrier>flavorfulyeah, the flavor of dogshit>a windowhow about some armor plates like the ones covering everything except the pilot you dumb nigger>but then how will he seemaybe cawl can invent camerascan't believe some corpo at GW looked at the mechs in matrix 3 and thought they should put space marines in it
>>2509240I had the same thought at first. The promo material they posted on had units move in suspiciously straight lines and sides fighting aligned like they were on a grid.There are some some videos of skirmish battles and they look like a normal RTS though without that effect. I guess it's a side effect of how they scripted those videos.
>>2509161>Looks like she is some kind of a martyr abandoned by that Tech priest, who dies in a cutscene after allLmao, I wonder if it was the devs' decision due to the backlash to her design, because that scene didn't look like heroic sacrifice at all with thousands of Mechanicus going down the stairs to fight Necrons like 10 feet away from her and her being unharmed after facing dozens of Necron jobbers alone .
>>2509294>it's a light recon vehicleIn what way is a walker mech a recon vehicle? In what way is a walker mech better than an actual space marine scout at doing recon?>marine power armor is better than a window would beOr you know, an APC like the Rhino would be better than a window and a marine power armor...
>>2509334>In what way is a walker mech a recon vehiclei don't get it either but it's not the first time it's happenedstill, the land speeder seems WAY better at being a scout not to mention that giving two factions the same thing for a scout is lame
>>2509370>long leg all-terrain strider mechvs>fat tiny leg baby step waddling retard mech leftists pretend not to understand thus making discourse impossible.jpg
>>2509387>fat tiny leg baby step waddling retard mechSpeaking of which I miss the old Dreadnoughts. They were silly, short, had stubby legs and all but somehow that really compacted box on legs design seemed to make more sense than the "fat metal guy" of the new ones.I won't even get started on the retarded nu-lore of revered veterans being AA-batteries and the horrifying phrase "Bjorn the Fell-Handed got an upgrade".
>>2509334>>2509370Show me a land speeder that can both mount a chain weapon AND kick you in the balls
>>2509432>Bjorn the Fell-HandedIt's biord now, don't deadname him.
If I liked dawn of war 1 because my tiny brain didn't have to think about the base building parts as much as in most RTS will I like 4?
>>2509766Did you like dow3? Because it plays more like that.
>>2509768I never played it, could never push myself to finish 2, I did like the move towards the company of heros style of cover it's just a shame about everything else
>>2509766Base building is simple, but Orks, Admech and Necrons actually have to build a lot. More so than in DoW1 imo. You constantly, all the time have to build Dominion pylons, Waagh Banners and wifi routers.Marines barely have any base building in DoW4
I've played a lot of the DoW4 betas, you may choose to believe me or not, I don't give a shit.Here's the good and the bad:>The Good:-The graphics are real nice, units looks good (at least on max settings) and particle effects are varied and well done-The animations are well made (when they work, more on this later) and there is a great variety of them-The maps look good, some even featuring some degree of destruction-Some of the music is nice-Necrons and Space marines are well done and fit well thematically with their faction identitiesContinued for the bad
>>2509780>The bad:-Balance is a complete mess, and not in a "it's still early and they need to figure out numbers" but in a "they have no idea what the fuck they're doing".Let's start with weapon balance, you see, most things in the game have tooltips explaining what a particular item does, well these tooltips are almost entirely wrong, for instance most weapons that say "effective against vehicles" will be better at taking out infantry than vehicles, a lascannon will completely decimate infantry models, why you ask? Because it's a fucking hitscan weapon with 100% accuracy and that goes for almost every weapon in the game with the sole exception of ork rokkits which you can dodge.So the devs made anti vehicle weapons do a lot of damage (as they should) but they didn't calibrate an accuracy variable for them, so anything with high penetration and damage will annihilate infantry, so the biggest, most expensive anti vehicle upgrade is almost always the best upgrade for a unit.The only situation where this is not optimal is when you're shooting chaff (namely, ork boyz and skitarii), since a slow firing weapon will do a lot of overkill, but anything can kill chaff so who cares.
>>2509781-There is basically no differentiation between vehicles, buildings and infantry.People might call me a liar because the game shows values for light, heavy, building etc. damage on a weapon tooltip, but the game has no apparent armor types, it only has an armor and armor penetration stat.So, let's assume a unit deals 100 damage per hit with an armor pen of 5 (pretty common armor pen, even beast snaggaz a tier 1 chaff unit can get it with tech upgrade), it's shooting or striking a unit with 6 armor (starting armor for most early vehicles, even intercessors can get 6 armor within the first minute of a game), you lose 8% (or gain) damage for every point of difference between armor and armor pen, so your hit dealing 100 damage will deal 92.Here's the problem, because there is no armor types (or there actually are but do fuck all) and just an armor stat, ANYTHING can kill vehicles, and I mean ANYTHING, gone are the days when you needed a dedicated anti vehicle squad, you can quite literally shoot it or hit it enough and it will go down extremely fast.So you have this absurd situation nothing really feels like a vehicle, don't believe me? Go watch Bricky's video on the prologue and see how fast a super unit (Gorkanaut) goes down to a bunch of guardsmen, the lowest of the low chaff.-Buildings go down in seconds and AOE damage completely demolish them.What's that? You spent a huge amount of resources upgrading a listening post to level 3? Too bad, my single unit of electropriests (a tier 1.5 unit that deals AOE ranged damage) will take it down on its own.For god knows what reason AOE damage deals extra damage to any building, so frag grenades will demolish a barrack or turret, the necron black hole thingy (that isn't that expensive btw, it's not a real nuke) takes out EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN THE GAME THAT IS NOT AN HQ OR LVL 3 LP.
>>2509782-The game features units with fixed gun placements or that cannot shoot behind them.. but doesn't feature a reverse button, actually scratch that, it doesn't feature REVERSE period.Many tanks (or vehicles in general) in the game as you might know feature fixed turrets, or they cannot turn 360 degrees (A dreadnought cannot shoot while backing off) but there is no reverse button or reverse, so you want to move outside an AOE or pull a long range unit closer to you by moving back? Too bad, your entire tank will have to TURN and expose itself to fire while being unable to fire back properly, your dreadnought will literally be unable to fight back at all, you cannot even reverse like in old games that didn't feature reverse buttons by pressing right behind the unit, it will need to TURN around to back off just a few paces, it's insane.-The games tooltips are simply a messIt's hard to explain how poorly thought out the tooltips are, which is a problem, because they actually look final, here's an example.The tooltips for weapon upgrades shows you damage numbers against the various supposed unit types (light, heavy etc.), so let's take Necron immortals for example.Their Tesla carbines are a weapon upgrade you have to pay for, when you look at the tooltip, every single damage number is lower and appears red, so why the fuck would anyone think it's an upgrade? Well you see what the game doesn't tell you is that it shoots much faster and leaves a fucking DoT on the unit it hits.The game is chock full of hidden and poorly explained stats.
>>2509784>These are the main balance concerns, there's other ones but these are the main ones, onto the next, technical stuff:-The animation director is abysmal, and I mean simply and completely terrible.If you're dumb enough to buy this game after reading this do me a favor, launch the game and send a melee unit against a structure, or a single entity, you will notice the unit wlll simply dance in place, striking at the air, incapable of syncing properly with building or single entity.You will notice 80% of the unit simply pacing around, with 2 or 3 models striking at the air every once in a while, words cannot express how bad it looks, it's something you have to look for yourself.This also causes some major issues during large engagements, the animation director is so bad it's pretty common to be unable to tell who the fuck is fighting who during an engagement, particularly with numerous factions like orks and mechanicus.-Odd thematic choices.For some reason, mechanicus is the actual horde faction, being able to spam units en masse they can quickly upgrade through tech unlocks.Mechanicus plays exactly as you think orks should play, you have extremely cheap infantry (and I mean extremely, a skitarii costs like 90 req, ork boyz cost 160 and an intercessor 400) that improves considerably through global research until you reach a critical mass of ass fuckery, the noosphere plays exactly as you think the waaagh should play, every level reduces costs and increases damage globally and unlocks new tech, you can reduce the noosphere by blowing up buildings granting it, you know, sort of like DoW1 orks and waaagh banners.
>>2509786-Speaking of the damn orks, contrary to any common sense they're the actual elite unit faction! They're the one faction in the game where you want to conserve your units and not want them to die, which is insane to think about.Why you might ask? Well you see orks is the only faction in the game whose unit upgrades are locked behind veterancy, so when you lose a unit with orks you lose A LOT, most units have 1 or 2 mobbing up upgrades (it adds max models to the unit), you might say, "well, just buy two of them to replace the one with increased models you lost" but the thing is you don't pay increased upkeep based on number of models, basically an ork boy with 1 model left will require the same upkeep as a unit with 15.Losing units with orks sends you in a vicious circle of "lose more", you lost an upgraded unit you cannot replace by simply paying for upgrades, your new unit will have to fight and gain exp before you can unlock upgrades, but now it's a fresh, unupgraded unit facing the same enemy that took out the upgraded unit, so it will struggle even more to gain exp, see where the problem is? Once you start losing you lose even more.You'd think orks would be the cheap expendable faction, but no, it's literally the opposite lol.I'm sure there's other stuff, but this is just off the top of my head.
>>2509780>I don't give a shitstopped reading there. i need a real man who'll respect my opinions if i'm going to be reading his posts
>>2509780>Necrons and Space marines are well done and fit well thematically with their faction identitiesThis is 2026 though, 11th Edition 40k. These are Nucrons and Primarislop. Dawn of War IV conforming to this is not a good thing.
>>2509781>>2509782>>2509784>>2509786>>2509787>>2509792https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejPiP6Rx9o
>>2509780>>2509781>>2509782>>2509784>>2509786>>2509787Some stuff I forgot to mention:-The retreat unit seems there just to appease to the DoW2 crowd, it doesn't increase your speed or reduce damage (despite what the tooltip says), it just makes you an easy fucking target for enemies that can easily following you in base because there's no suppression, if you retreat your unit, expect to lose it for no gain, just stand and fight and autoreinforce until it's dead, at least you dealt some damage.-Speaking of suppression, the game is almost entirely straight combat, no smoke, no suppression, very few sources of knockback.You can reinforce anywhere so you don't need transports or buildings to act as reinforcement points, matter of fact, the only "transport" in the game is the thunderhawk and it's a building you load your units into.The only support units are heroes who every once in a while can activate a warcry or similar stuff.-The game has some serious, (and I mean SERIOUS) memory leaks, like during a skirmish it takes up to 30gb from my SSD, and I have 16gb of VRAM and 32gb of RAM
>>2509792>Nucrons and Primarislopboth are better
>>2509797Primaris are worse than sequel trilogy star wars.
>>2509802zeitgeist bruh. Enjoy what was and try not to be too disappointed in what is.
>>2509802Primaris are Kings
>>2509774I guess i'll start with marines before I go dipping my toes into other stuff
>>2509805Consumer faggot
Disorder campaign fucking sucks doggy dick dude holy shit
>>2509815Does shitbaiting make you feel better about it?
>>2509833
>>2509794>forced ramdisk on ssds during a generational hardware crisisthis isn't normal is it? its just these retards and not widespread industry practice to rape users ssds right?
>>2509842
>>2509812Kings of corpo dogshit.
>>2509846
WHAT IN THE EVER-LOVING FUCK DID THEY DO TO GORGUTZ AND WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE DUNGEON KEEPER
>>2509929Is he, or is he not, dead ‘ard an’ ready for krumpin’?
>>2509929>Here's your new GW-approved Warboss design, goy
>>2509929Modern 40k models look like toys.
>>2509936
>>2509938Note how that picture is not of a modern 40k model, good goy.
>>2509929>Game has plosives and sibilants issuesYup, you gentiles were given the absolute bottom of the barrel, and I'm ready to bet it was done on purpose.All that's needed to do to prevent this is to position the mic to the side of the actor's mouth, not in front (The recording should also always be mono).And I'm sure software can easily fix it after the fact too.
>>2509940...that was the point
>>2509929what are these proportions lmaohe looks like they put him in a full body cast and his arms have to be raised at all times, must be fucking tiringi think its the small head, dark crusade gorgutz doesnt look nearly as retarded
>>2509929He always looked like a mirrored Ghazghkull though?
>>2509935He doesn't look like any Warboss currently on sale. It's old Ghazghkull, whose new model looks different now
>>2509947>>2509948That's Orkamungus and not Gorgutz btw (#BaseGameSupremacy)
>>2509929I dunno about this one man
>>2509955Orks are not above amputation ghazghkull's head is grafted onto after being severedand this honestly doesn't look different from their proportions
>>2509787Sounds about expected. The complete inability to design some working unit interactions has been their problem in Iron Harvest as well.A bunch of amateurs who simply randomly slap together ideas from games they thought of without understanding anything about them and going "good enough!"And don't forge the game would have already shipped a month ago originally. So much popcorn to have, especially if you're a fan of DoW3 which is a professionally designed and working game... that needed patching and never got it.
This game runs worse than mhwilds, shan't be buying
>>2509929Abominable head aside, Gorgutz ***never*** should have left the Evil Sunz. Their red and chequy is THE definitive Ork aesthetic and swapping that for all yellow is just atrocious.Another point against Dawn of War II for making the swap in the first place, Gorgutz or no. :^)
>>2509812I like the proportions but the design is an objective downgrade. It's basically the same story with everything else in #New40k, from technical standpoint the new models stand head and shoulders above the old ones, but they just tend to be very uninspired.They should have just ripped the bandaid off and made truescale versions of everything. Not that truescale lasted very long anyway with Imperial Guard again slowly creeping up to be almost as tall as Primaris.
>>2510134>They should have just ripped the bandaid off and made truescale versions of everythingNot even whales have that much money
After playing it a bit more, I really see no future for it. It's RTS, which makes it unappealing inherently. The only hope for survival RTS games have is by developing a competitive MP community. DoW4 has no chance for this. It's very, very dumbed down, casual and simplistic, even compared to DoW1. It doesn't even have morale, no strafing for vehicles, no directional armor?, research is free and only takes time, base building is as simple as in dow (arguably simpler even), but 2 factions don't even need builders, abilities are fewer (and you just autocast them), less unit upgrades, heroes are less customizable than in DoW2, cover is even more sparse than in DoW1 and not working like CoH/DoW2 obviously again and balance is an utter mess with Orks raping everyoneThere are only 3 potential features it has going on for it>Melee combat animations being pretty to look at (this fucks over gameplay naturally and competitive environment, locking units in place etc). Really, no wonder they are focusing on them so hard. This is really the best feature game has>Potentially campaign, since for the first time it's actually cinematic with proper cutscenes (even though we can see they suck with absurd direction)>Coop wave defense and the Last Stand (we haven't even seen them yet I think)And yeah, battles are bigger than previously. But does it even matter? TW40k will have them even biggerVoice Acting sucks, music is only cool in menuAnd to top it off it looks like majority of game is ad explicitly for shit that doesn't sell>Nobody likes and buys snaggas - they are half of orks in game>Nobody likes and buys Phobos - they are half of marine roster in game>Nobody buys Lion - he is in game>Admech is famously not popular - it's in gameetc I'm surprised nuCoteaz isn't in game at this pointRealistically people will beat campaign once and then uninstall the gameAbsolute best use for this game will be asking Claude sama to rip sync animations from it and port them to TW40K
>>2510309 >actually cinematicI get what you are talking about, as in pre-rendered but lel, most of the trailers I've seen were shot rather poorly. Necrons' is the sole exception but they didn't do anything in it, just the "Darth Vader and Palps walking past the stormtroopers" kind of scene so it was hard to fuck up and insert some mistakes one could immediately point out. And even then personally I felt that the trailer sucked because they tried looking intimidating while doing nothing despite the fact that they spent the last one being raped by a strong independent black George.
>>2510309>It's RTS, which makes it unappealing inherently.I can also say 2+2 equals 5, doesn't make it true.
>>2510357Is there any other genre that used to be so good and popular, with games all over the place (Do not (You) me about indie-slop), only to then be astroturfed so hard into being labelled "dead" by all the corpos and their cattle to this very day? Apart from flight sims, of course.
>>2510357rts campaigns are linear moviegames of strategy genre, which you beat once and then uninstall the gameTheir mp is the only thing giving them replay value, but all multiplayer RTS slots are already corneredGenre was replaced by other, more specialized strategy genres, mostly PDX Grand Strategy, Total Wars, tactics games and city buildersThis is not a controversial statement. It's simply what happened.
>>2510329Every single one of them is retarded. It's like nustar wars choreography. Enemies miss shots point blank, ranged units rush into melee just to die, everyone takes monty python lancelot tier ages to do something or simply folds to plot armor character just because
DAngels and Dwayne Johnson entrance is almost cool. But I can't get over how they just can't animate shielded units like those lychguard. They don't even use their shields while backtracking? I'm not even asking for a shield wall, which would be fitting here
>>2510420I am shocked that these goyim (Yes, (You), in the thread) ever forgot about this. They well and truly deserve everything.
it all looks off and way too cartoony
>>2510420>necrons then>relentless terminators, even a baseline warrior could soak incredible punishment, stand back up moments after being brought low, and was a credible threat even to space marines>necron now:
>>2510460SHUT UP AND BUY THE MODELS CHUDIT'S ALL ABOUT THE MODELS! THAT'S ALL WARHAMMER EVER IS!STOP READING STORIESSTOP PLAYING GAMESTHE MODELS ARE BETTER THAN THE OLD ONESTHAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS
>>2510460baseline necrons were an expendable trash always, this didn't change>>2510461>IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MODELS! THAT'S ALL WARHAMMER EVER IS!true
I wish all tabletop cattle a very stabbed by a migrant
>>2510464>baseline necrons were an expendable trash always, this didn't changeThey were as far, as necrons were concerned. They were pretty busted compared to everyone else grunts, be it in lore, tabletop or Dark Crusade.
>>2510472they are retarded robots you kill en masse, coming at you in waves, even in DoW games>>2510469bideo games are an inherently inferior, purely consumerist medium
>>2510473Computer list model pricesThen all sudden meta shifts making entire factions obsoleteThen all factions that were made obsolete by neglectThen all models that were made obsolete by being actively phased out and replacedThen dox this faggot and send his mother gore
>>2510473not really. they were quite strong in dow, and probably the most capable basic infantry on the tabletop.>>2510474this only matters if you're a vidya-poisoned metafag
>>2510476>Eldar and especially Dark Eldar being infamous for being neglected and half-Squatted (This term existing alone proves me correct by the way. Kill yourself.) does not matter, please stop talking about it and buy more models
>>2510409RTS is not an inherently unappealing genre and what you said does not address this thesis at all, you're backtracking and talking about unrelated shit.
>>2510474bideo games are a simple toys for kids, premade, playable without effort, easy to brainlessly consumeTabletop wargaming is a patrician hobby, which requires from you skill, effort, commitment and pouring your soul into your personal project, in order to sculpt, kitbash, convert, paint and yes, even play. Low span attention bideo game players are not capable of achieving any of that. They would be filtered, since they are inferior. You know this. And it hurtsKnow your place>>2510477>EldarBiggest faction in game right behind marines, constantly getting new releases, subfactions and refreshed models>Dark EldarGot some of the best kits ever made, their resin models already are being replaced by even better ones like Mandrakes. They are getting their wave next year, while being main villains of 12th Edition
>>2510474>he's a compfag subhumanOh nonono hahaha
>>2510412>ranged units rush into melee just to dieBut the DoW1 intro with the tactical marines counter-charging out of their trenches up a hill perfectly encapsulates 40k, imoI don’t even know what games these other things are from but they look lame
>>2510524those are all from DoW4
>>2510412>>2510420>>2510428>>2510441>>2510442>>2510444Yeah, looking at this I think I will see obvious fuck ups even in the Necron trailer if I rewatched it.
>2/3 Space Marine characters are niggersInto the trash it goes
>>2510481Not him but last I heard Eldar got raped so hard in the last edition ruleset the players were required to buy and field Phoenix Lords to act as sergeants in place of Exarchs to make the Aspect Warriors somewhat viable and that they got even more nerfs as a preparation for the new edition. I like Eldar and that doesn't sound like "pls buy Eldar minis".
>>2510728It's okay bro it's perfectly fine they're just Primaris immigrants bro and no they are never acknowledged as being immigrants except in the book "The Wolftime" where one goes on an extremely anti-nativist hateful rant against the people he's trying to assimilate with and us based Brand Loyalists see it universally as an epic own against the xenophobic conservatard Space Wolves. https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Space_Wolves#A_Primaris_Marine_calls_the_Wolves_out_on_their_bullshitPlease buy models and hang with us at your Local Game Store and be nice and don't get banned by us or you're just a culture warrior secondary.
>>2510737>Pic relatedHow does someone not cringe at that?
>>2510737Kek, what drivel. A true Space Yiff would have shoved that queen into a locker or straight out of the airlock like a 1/10th into the epic and very naturally sounding tirade and even Lukas would have found no fault in his retarded brother's judgement that day.
>>2510759To be fair, he did that himself directly after. They're flying in a Thunderhawk or summat on Fenris and he jumps out into the frozen middle of nowhere to prove himself.
>>2510737I imagine this was written by someone who hates 40k, like most 40k writing these days.
>>2510761https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Gav_Thorpe
>>2510765Seriously? Either he's really fallen or didn't feel like doing anything that day, I don't remember his characters acting so unnaturally in his earlier works I've read.
>>2510775What part of>He is the one largely responsible for the grand mother bull moose of all mixed blessings that was the 4th edition Codex: Chaos Space Marines, as well as the transition from the golden age of Warhammer Fantasy into the literal End Times.did you miss?
>>2510765Someone that hates warhammer in general then.
>>2510776I didn't bother looking, your EPIC WOW SO OWNED excerpt said it was enuff of that particular wiki for me. I mainly know him as that "Eldar guy who isn't the worst actually (even if he apparently decided to make Eldar into the doomed race they are way back then), no I didn't read his Yvraine books".
>>2510780Apparently Gav Thorpe is worse than Matt Ward, and people debate whether or not the Wraithbone retcon was his fault or an AI's.https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Retcon#GW_and_Retcons
>>2510782I wish 1d6chan wasnt so gay.
>>2510442So just as source material?
>>2510309>The only hope for survival RTS games have is by developing a competitive MP communityHOLY RETARD
>>2510851>: rts trvke.png>confirms that onlyu RTS with replayability are the one focused on multiplayer
>>2510442Oh shit the hog riders are in
>>2510821I know how this will sound but by this point "Primaries" are all gay and lame. It has been so long now that most of people who were into Warhammer for the old lore and "feel" of it have long left for different pastures and all that's left is either compfags, new people or people that simply "don't get what the fuss is about, Stormcast Eternals are fucking cool!". AoS and #New40k won, not because they're better but because it's a product so if you don't like what GW does with it your only option is to fuck off (closest being 30k which is a can of worms of it's own). All new changes to 1d6chan essentially represent that zeitgeist of modern /tg/, so you shouldn't act surprised.Unless you mean it in the "they deleted the loli porn, the fascists!" in which case who the fuck gives a shit that isn't mentally ill?
>>2510862did 1d4 even change? it was always cringe as fuck and an embarrassment. if it's repeating tired memes and consooming, well, it's the same as it ever was
>>25108644chan is cringe in general so any associated project also has to be. It had it's uses and hilariously enough on occasion it was (is?) the more factually correct wiki compared to the two serious Warhammer ones, but you have to consider the type of person that would dedicate their free time to make articles on a wiki that ultimately exist solely to document 4chan's perspective on tabletop games.It did definitely change though. It's sometimes hard to notice because most of it never gets updated (so the repeats of the same memes might actually date back to when those memes were still fresh...er), but if you look into it you will find a severe difference in how people used to percieve Warhammer, GW and corpos making games in general.
>>2510441>>2510428>>2510309what lion? surely not lion el'johnson? and if not, who the fuck else can just shrug off an attack by a c'tandon't tell me gw brought back the lion and in dawn of war 4 you'll be able to recruit a fucking primarch from the barracks for 400 requisition points or something kek
>>2510866>is?Definitely, and always will be (Hopefully. You don't paint a pretty picture, but I personally haven't seen any of that). Lexicanum and Fandom are strictly canon-only, like every other wiki in existence. 1d4chan is the only wiki I have ever known to cut through the official narrative bullshit and actually give useful facts.>>2510862Approving censorship in the end there goes against the entire rest of your post. You're a Christian, aren't you?
>>2510873>surely not lion el'johnson?Have you been living in a secluded cave in siberia for the past 3 years?
>>2510877i knew they brought back girlyman... who else is back?
>>2510877Far longer. He's asking if "gw brought back the lion". This nigga probably missed the 10th Black Crusade and the Fall of Cadia and Robot Girlyman's revival and Eldar wife.
>>2510851All this is advocating for is casual slop baby games.
>>2510910Which is kind of funny, considering that competetive RTS tends to have superior campaigns as well.
>>2510873>in dawn of war 4 you'll be able to recruit a fucking primarch from the barracks for 400 requisition points or somethingDon’t be silly. That would be ridiculous.Hed obviously be an off map call in
>>2510873How is that different from the points system in tabletop?A Defiler for example costs 190 Requisition (and 400 Power) and 190 Points (According to what I wrote down, for a very long time, possibly still to this day, but I never wrote down my sources so who knows).
>>2510309>Nobody likes and buys snaggas - they are half of orks in game>Nobody likes and buys Phobos - they are half of marine roster in game>Admech is famously not popular - it's in gameHoly shit you actually don't know what you are talking about. Hats off to you though for this epic level of trolling though
>>2510924it's just very mundane, primarchs used to be more srs bsns. but i guess that's where gw is taking the game, even more big boys will be on the field now
>>2511030At least Lion is kind of like a Phoenix Lord with no admin to run and teleporting bullshit to explain him appearing in the bumfuck nowhere to eat shit and die from Chuddus Rex of the loyal Imperial Guard regiment Brave Stunners.
>>2511030>primarchs used to be more srs bsnsPrimarchs used to be a bunch of overgrown manchildren that got dunked on by mortalsFucking Rogal Dorn died to a bunch of heretics swarming him, not even marines mind you, just plain old humansIt was only after the horus heresy books primarchs got turned into marvel superheroes
>>2511034>It was only after the horus heresy bookswell that's like 15-20 years ago now
>>2511034They became even bigger ones thanks to the books and Emperor even more retarded. I actually ended up liking Gorillaman because this guy's epic primarch superpower is being a reasonable guy in the room.And Horus still got stabbed and converted to Chaos by some no-name planet governor guy.
Guy living under a rock hereJust learned yesterday GW is retiring “firstborn marines” and everything is primaris garbage going forwardIt’s extremely over
>>2510737i'm literally clapping and crying right now, i wish a progressive primaris marine was around to save me last week when a group of trump supporters tore off my burqa and told me to go back to mexico
>>2511091Thank god I don't give a shit about tabletopI'll just play total war 40k with the day1 firstborn reskin mod
>>2511119>reskin modSee, I never got this. It’s like “de-woke BG3” mods or whatever. You know damn well what game you’re playing and who made it and why. You can’t fool yourself.
>>2511122>You can’t fool yourself.What the fuck does that even mean, modding is changing shit you don't like always has been.
I've been watching the early YouTube videos from players who got in and it looks good. The models and animations are very impressive and it def looks like it plays good.
>>2511251I was in the betaIt looks good but plays awful, the game is all combat, there's no transports, suppression, smoke, artilleryline of sight, (you literally see what the opponent is building in the fog of war, wtf).No way to punish blobs, no way to slow down the enemy.You can't tell who is fighting who because of the sync combat being janky as fuck, dudes fall to the ground and they're still synces, so you have entire units flailing at the air while they wait for the enemy to get up.There's no reverse, you need to move a couple meters outside an AOE? Your tank has to turn all the way around before it starts moving, not being able to fire with its fixed turrets btw.There's a lot more but I can't be arsed right now.
>>2511262sounds like dawn of war is over as a franchise forever after this shit flops and gets dropped before any new faction DLCs come out
>>2511479next year they'll announce "dawn of war" (no number) promising to reboot the franchise combining the best of 2027 modernization with retro flair. after that flops we'll get a half-assed ai remaster of dow2 to fund the next title
>>2511262This is basically what I expected. Take an inexperienced dev who's only made one shitty failed RTS that lacked all the things RTS games need and the result is a game that only looks good for the camera (if you don't look too closely) but plays like a tech demo or a graphics demonstrator rather than a game.
>>2511262>(you literally see what the opponent is building in the fog of war, wtf)I don't think people really understand what you mean.You quite literally see EVERYTHING the opponent is doing in the FoW, minus his units, he's building a turret? You see it, that req point has a LP? You see it, you even see if it's fucking lvl 1, 2 or 3 lol.
>>2511262>no blob punishments>no vehicle reversalsOkay now this game will definitely suck.
>>2511262How can these people have a ready-made game template in the form of DoW1 and keep fucking ignoring it? Why is a good game lost technology? It's hard to blame Games Workshop when the dev is repeating exactly the same mistakes from Iron Harvest, I fucking hate these people so much. They don't deserve anything they have
>>2511680Did dow 1 even have reverse? I don't remember.
>>2511765no but people here will bitch about anything
>>2511765>>2511767>let's latch on to this one irrelevant detail and disregard everything else that's valid so we can pretend the entire argument is invalidit was there in DoW2 where it was relevant and it wasn't in DoW1 where it wasn't relevant.Since there is no directional armor in DoW4 we are regressing from DoW2 design where they got it right and you could safely withdraw from combat with your Baneblade facing the enemy up front
>>2511479>>2511482No way this will flop. Not the way shit like Stormgate didIt still has 4 cinematic campaigns with 70+ missions in total. And you can play most of them (save for prologue ones) as either of two subfactions (Bravens or Dangels, Gorgutz or Guzcutta). So there will incentive to beat them at least twice. This alone will keep people attention for a bit longer than usual with RTSSome people will fuck around in the Last Stand for a whileUnlike DoW3 it will easily get CSM dlc at least, maybe even Guard and Eldar/NidsObviously nobody will play it over TW40k. Nobody will buy DoW4 dlc over TW one. Especially since factions dlcs here will have to come again with cinematic, but linear campaign and all those sync animations pairing them with larger and larger amount of units and factions with each release. They will be harder and more expensive to make, especially compared to shit like Gladius, which can chug along releasing constant dlcs which cost nothing to make (no VA, no cinematic campaign, minimal animations).It will do better than your average RTS, but best case scenario they are on a borrowed time until TW40K drops>>2510993dow4 is shit nobody cares about>>2510851Your AI vomit advocating for dumbing down games admits RTS have no replay value unless they succeed at becoming competitive mp title (they won't, market is cornered already)In order to live, they would need to stop being traditional RTS and make singleplayer/coop replayable (so abandon being RTS and turn into Total War or GSGs)>>2510480It is, because RTS has no replay value save for multiplayer battles, which won't catch onPeople beat linear campaigns and then uninstall the game, forgetting it, game no longer getting more popular and not getting dlcsPeople beat sandbox campaign in Total War/GSG and then intermediately after start another, then another and another, playing constantly and buying each and every dlc that drops, which makes them play them again and again
>>2511795>they are on a borrowed time until TW40K dropsThis is like saying Age of Empires will flop because Medieval Total War exists. Good games are good games. If it's good people generally are going to buy and play them. If dow4 is good and TW40k ends up being shit then more people are probably going to switch.
>>2511795>dow4 is shit nobody cares aboutNot what I was arguing. That larper doesn't know how much Phobos, Snaggas, and Admech are on the table.
>>2511809>This is like saying Age of Empires will flop because Medieval Total War exists.Funny you say thisThis is exactly what happened, few times even. And that's despite AoE being the one RTS series alongside Starcraft and CoH which actually got replayability through mp. Unlike all other RTS which flop>If it's good people generally are going to buy and play them.They will play RTS once, which is all you need to beat those simple linear cinematic campaigns. After that they will uninstall it and abandon, stop talking about it and make it impossible for a dev to further work on it and expand it. It will be DEAD. And, since we are talking about DoW, such RTS will never reach it's true potential. Just like DoW didn't and each title was abandoned before it actually got all main factions playable, let alone their distinct subfactions.>>2511815nobody plays admech period, an expensive horde army, with a shitton of hard details to paintnobody buys phobos which is why they are dead since 8th introduced themnobody buys snaggas which is why they have to force them into discount boxes or had to cope by selling them through Exodite kill team hype
>>2511795>Bravens or DangelsStopped reading here
>>2511820>such RTS will never reach it's true potential. Just like DoW didn'tDoW1 was the ultimate peak of the RTS genre, and it has been all downhill from there.
>>2511820>After that they will uninstall it and abandon, stop talking about it and make it impossible for a dev to further work on it and expand it.But the same thing happened with total war...
damn, might get this just for the army painter/customiser.
>>2511765No but gun sponsons, turrets, and Dreadnought torsos still all pivot (I imagine Defilers, too) and stay on target, up to a certain degree range if applicable.
>>2511534>an inexperienced dev who's only made one shitty failed RTSI would like to know more.
>>2512940https://steamcommunity.com/app/826630/negativereviews/?p=1&browsefilter=toprated&filterLanguage=allIt appears to be mid at best and the top-rated negative review says devs renegged on Kickstarter promises (Well, that being Japanese language support)
>>2513075wow big yikes on this dev. wonder who's dick they were sucking on to get a warhammer contract
>>2513103Nice to know this is the one Warhammer tradition that Games Workshop will never break.
>>2512940I have almost 80 hours in Iron Harvest.It's an above average game. Campaign was pretty good and visually it's great. Balance though is rough. Heavy troopers, mounted guns and mechs all move at a snails pace. There is no option for mounted guns to have travel form like every other RTS. Mechs actually do have a reverse movement option, but it's a hot key they don't tell you about and doesn't have a button on the UI and by default all mechs will turn around when issued commands.This ties in to my biggest issue which is retreat not only effects mechs and air craft, meaning they will slowly turn away exposing their vulnerable back to the enemy, but retreat doesn't give a speed or defensive boost so you literally just lose control of the unit till it makes it back to base. When they added air units too for some reason they made it so AA turrets can only be built in the base, but regular emplacements can still be built anywhere.I didn't really find the quirks too bad still because the game is still pretty fun to play. Visually they went very hard. Mechs feel like the lumbering giants they are supposed to be and watching one explode feels rewarding even if it's your own. The voice acting and music is very good too.It's a rough and unpolished gem with a lot of charm. Get it on sale and enjoy how over the top the American faction is. They represented America well.
>>2508375DoW2?I don't remember it having the phone game aesthetic, that definitely came around the time of DoW3 as I see it even in games like Battlesector which is just a recreation of the tabletop format. Do you mean the UI format? I notice that in a lot of indie games.
>>2513288* forgot pic related
>>2513291I never knew what Primaris were before I played Battlesector.Now I’ve completely written off 40k.Sad
>>2508375Yeah, man, DoW1's squads just magically replenishing their numbers out of thin air is so much better and isn't casual as fuck.
>>2513288>>2513314>random irrelevant bullshit not a SOUL was talking about>>2513288>hopes we don't know how ugly as sin DoW2 isWhy do all game series have kikes aggressively shilling the dogshit 2s in them?
>>2513232>"Let me tell you why the game is bad">"It's good though">reddit spacingEvery single time.
>>2513371When did I say the game was bad?>reddit spacingOhYou're just retardedNvm:)
>>2513376go back where you came from tourist
>>2513384We had this spacing before reddit tourist. Back to bluesky with you.
>>2513369DoW2 is the best looking DoW game by far. The only not cartoony one, with aesthetics based on Forge World style and not Games Workshop
>>2513384Make me fagot.
>>2513392Too many 40k games try to replicate the style of the minis instead of the actual art work.
>animejeetThat explains everything
>Defective Edition Mission 6>Sergeants' Rally ability is now on S instead of Z/X>Attack Ground for Guardsmen/Cultists grenade launchers is still on S>Instead of moving Rally back to Z/X, Attack Ground just completely overrides it>Colonel Brom is now useless and cannot quickly attach to any broken squad to instantly Rally them>Still doesn't even get a Plasma Pistol from the Armory researchI really hope Relic goes under
>>2513392Forge World style?
>>2513369You were talking about retreating as if it was bad, even though you could just massacre the runners with melee units. No idea why you brought it up.>dogshit 2sFuck off, I never shilled Black & White 2.
>>2513390there's no "we", there's only (You), and (You) should go back
>>2513404I think it's direction given by GW or something. 90% of 40k games make everything look just like the stills on the GW online store. Same details, same poses, near-identical colours.
>>2513482Back in the day forge world was separate from the main GW studio and they had their own distinct painting style. More muted, grounded, using a lot of techniques from modelling at large outside warhammer, instead of the flat layering and the edge highlighting ad infinitum of GW's "'eavy metal" painting team.
>>2513535Oh I see, thanks. Anyway I agree, DoW2 looks better. I can actually feel the "grim" in "grimdark" there, like in the art of older rulebooks
>>2513232>"It's an above average game">gives no baseline for what xhe considers "average"reddit shill trash. you aren't fooling anyone.>"It's a rough and unpolished gem with a lot of charm"lol fuck yourself retard
DoW4 is fundamentally broken, even the most basic things are not working correctly but the youtube shills will pan away as soon as a pathing issue or units swinging into the air happen, the game also lacks any kind of depth and mechanics.
>>2514015looks like DoW3, but with even more downgraded combat somehow
>>2514049It's sightly better than DoW3 and unlike 3 this game could have a chance at success but if it release as it is right now it's doomed to die in 3 months, maybe less, I'm also fairly confident that most of the issues stem from the combat director, they waste a massive a mount of time programming shit that nobody will ever see because you can't actually see shit on the battlefield during a normal game and it's also buggy as hell in general.
>>2514051looks like they should have stuck with keeping sync shit to kills also rip my boxnaught nigga
>>2514064Definitely, they should studied DoW1, sync kills there were very theatrical and flashy, the color saturation was distinct so that you could actually see units fighting and instantly tell what was going on.Look at this webm, this is the full power of the combat director, units napping on the ground, constantly repositioning for no reason, swinging into nothing and I'm sure this garbage is also eating a ton of processing power.
>>2514070>units just stunned on the ground I can see that being fine for being affected by an ability, but that seems really retarded if its just because of the sync animations
>>2514075yep, it's just part of the animation, happens with walkers too, walkers and some bigger heroes can push each other on the ground.
>>2514015Oh G-d that Stronghold looks awful
>>2514082It's quite literally the DoW1 stronghold with a second floorOr do you mean the animations? Cause yeah those are awful
>>2514015Absolutely baffling that an RTS will be inferior in so many ways to an RTS 20 years older than it.
>>2514149It’s really not surprising at all, as DoW1 was the peak of the RTS genre.
>>2514149I ask myself that question for most games desu
>>2514160who actually believes shit like this?
>>2514263People who don't play many RTS games honestly.
>>2514338Played a ton of them in the 90s golden age. Warcraft, Command & Conquer, StarCraft, Red Alert, etc. All stepping stones paving the way for the glory of DOW1.Play present tense? Not really, I largely lost interest in the genre after DOW2 was mediocre, probably haven’t played many of the newer ones.
>>2514149mechanics are never the focus of modern big budget games
>>2514407For me supreme commander is definitely the apex of RTS, nobody has surpassed the variety and strategy that game has, homeworld is a close second and then we have DoW1 followed by CoH.Anyhow, if you people have questions about DoW4 I'll answer anything you want to know, as long as it's about the game mechanics and 1v1, the beta only had 1v1 vs AIs and 1v1 vs players at pre-determinated times enabled, no last stand, no campaign, also I wrote a pretty hefty document about all the issues of the game I wouldn't mind sharing.
>>2514422>it’s 1998>daft punk’s “around the world” is on MTV>you’re at summer camp drinking surge and talking about total annihilation
Game is shit and I'm glad. DoW 3 was overhated for retarded reasons. Now the retards who whined about DoW 3 get a truly shitty game. This is Relic's karmic revenge.
>>2514461dow 3 is still infinitely worse compared to dow4
>they didn't get into beta lol
>>2514464LMAO
>>2514422Why make us ask for it
>>2514478https://pastebin.com/61aP9bnEHere it is
>>2514476Bait used to be believable.
>>2514466>Needing to get some official key to play a beta of a genre popular in Russia.L O LI bet you've never even installed a game and run everything through Steam.
>>2514508>Personally I find the morale mechanic outdated and a relic (no pun intended) of its time and the limitations of 2004 hardware and programming skillshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a_3wQHcm_Y
>>2514712Care to explain why or will you just keep humiliating yourself?
>>2514713Took the words right out of my mouth. The floor is yours, 2-tard.
>>2514716I accept your concession
>>2514713>>2514716Hint for you two dumbasses: he doesn't have a point and never intended to. You had two choices:1. Continue discussing topic as if the troll didn't exist.2. Abandon the thread and leave the troll unfed.But you fucking imbeciles like so many other dipshits chose the always-wrong third option.
Yeah I totally just picked a random sentence and it turned out to be really mundane and *not* so self-evidently retarded.We all know 2004 computers just couldn't handle even the idea of Dawn of War II's suppression mechanic and that 2004 Relic were too unskilled to implement it even if they could. That is clearly how video games work, as we all know.And the very idea of scaring a unit into dealing no damage forcing them to back off is just so archaic.I'll admit the increased movement speed is retarded though, especially on melee units. Imagine demoralizing Assault Marines only for that to be assisting them by closing the distance faster and then casting their Sergeant's Rally, re-enabling their damage.Now *slowing down* on the other hand... How advanced! It would have caused those 2004 computers to simply combust!
>>2514735It's great that you are retarded and cannot fathom how the process of discovery works, a lot of things in DoW1 are trying to imitate the tabletop, relic didn't have an idea of what they were doing with warhammer back in 2004, they focused on the right things and managed to make a good game, DoW2 changed the formula but also improved greatly on many aspects, morale IS present in dow2, what do you think suppression in? Units have morale and "suppression" dealing units deal morale damage, elite mod even tied a bit of morale damage to flamers and assault cannons, such that using them can indeed suppress units, relic couldn't do this in dow1, a bit because of the limitations of the time a bit because of the limitation of their own development ideas and needing to focus on other tasks, the fact that I have to explain all of this like the mentally retarded child you are is baffling.
>>2514735You could play CoH1 on the same computer that played DoW1, zoom zoom.
Based on previews this looks like 40slop skinned worse CoH in lifeless Starcraft maps. I'm looking forward to never interacting with this game.
>>2514461Having checked DoW3 gameplay once it looked rather boring actualy, seeing as how I didn't bother to see more. One positive I noticed I am gonna give to it is that they finally put Striking Scorpions into the series.
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>>2514051That still looked pretty cool in my opinion. It is King Art though, Iron Harvest took them a bit to fix all their bugs so still trying to remain hopeful that they learned their lesson.
>>2513404It's an ad for the plastic figurines, alGW demands that your shit is "as seen on tabletop".
>>2510309For how niche it is RTS typically needs to do so much right just to make for a passing productThat said Ive been saying it since day 0, "company who made iron harvest" with zero appealing, easy to read stills relying on cinematics and a history of ideas but no playtesting " was never going to work
>>2510357The most relevant RTS right now are StarCraft 2 and age of empires 2It's grim
>>2514963I don't get how "company who made Iron Harvest" was ever a positive sales pitch. Iron Harvest was a huge disappointment. I remember people being cautiously optimistic based on pre-release teasers with building destruction and all, but ultimately it was underwhelming in execution and absolutely devoid of any fresh ideas or in general a reason to play it over even first CoH. The mechs got old very quickly too.I imagine DoW IV will be the exact same - from technical standpoint a competent indie product but without any unique identity and zero reason to play it over DoW remaster (Or TWW40k if you reaaaaaly want your Primaris).
>>2515111Yeah all I'm hearing from insight anon is the same song and dance>Poor understanding of endgame balance>Janky as fuck vehicles that may as well not be vehiclesWhich I could tell from the damn promo materialsIt's embarrassing and I'm kinda upset this is gonna fuck over GW's willingness to support games in its IPs
>>2515115>It's embarrassing and I'm kinda upset this is gonna fuck over GW's willingness to support games in its IPsThat's never gonna happen, GW has been trying to pivot hard from minis or at least diversify, 3d printing is going to detroy their business
>>2515111Iron Harvest still made a big enough impact and profit. It has a fan base and was highly praised for it's visuals. The game itself wasn't amazing but it wasn't garbage like 4chan makes it out to be. King Art showed it had potential to make a real game and they did with Iron Harvest. If they actually learned from their mistakes then DoW4 could very well be great, but anyone holding their breath over the 3rd serious game from a small studio is still nore retarded than those who don't have a lick of hope that it will be good.
>>2515115>It's embarrassing and I'm kinda upset this is gonna fuck over GW's willingness to support games in its IPsNigga space marine 2 sold 7+ million copies. TWW40k is sitting at 1+ million steam wishlists already
>>2508160This. I swear you niggers been crying that RTS is not the same and now your contrarian undecisive asscrack can't settle yet thoughbeit
>>2515500>TWW40k is sitting at 1+ million steam wishlists alreadyPraying to Science Above that this is the flop of the year.
>>2515500Space Marine 3 was announced even before it hit 2 mill. That sold like god damned water.
>>2515500>TWW40k is sitting at 1+ million steam wishlists alreadyI actually just removed space marine 2, tw40k, and dow4 from my wish list because I’ve accepted that GW is just making primarisslop and 40k is dead to me, after being a fan since the Final Liberation and Chaos Gate days
>>2515560What else would they make?You can seethe impotently but they probably do market research which inevitably proves what is already obvious if you look at genuine fans of Warhammer - Primaris have a better design, the new lore is more interesting and Warhammer is at the peak of it's popularity. You only hate it because it's good.
>>2515568No actually he hates it because it's immigration propaganda for immigrants and fellaters of immigrants, and always has been.There are no nigger marines without Primarislop.Sources include Dawn of Fire: The Wolftime by Gav Thorpe >>2510737 (Notice how the GW shill kept quiet when this was brought up), and Battlesector, which deals with Blood Angels post Devastation of Baal.In fact I will be shocked if the Blood Ravens do not receive a similar injection of new, HIV-infected blood. Since Dawn of War IV tries to force them into stealth and has the Dark Angles function as what's expected from previous games, then perhaps they won't here, but in twenty years when we get a Dawn of War V.
>>2515574There's a legion worth of them, newchud
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>>2515578Ah yes, the common Anti-Immigration and Anti-black Male Feminist.Retard. You are definitely Pakistani.
>>2515568>market research>genuine fans of Warhammer>Primaris have a better design>the new lore is more interesting>You only hate it because it's good0/10 bait
