>>2495230
Mobile tier slop:
Your 'strategy' depends more on what cards you draw (luck) and how leveled you are (grind). You're also severely restricted in what you can see and do. As a result the gameplay is mostly reactive and hoping you accurately predicted what will happen, in single player this goes out the window because they're pre-planned scenarios and it pulls the usual difficulty spikes of "you've been fighting nothing but ground units until now, here's a boss round with all air units, hope you remembered to bring AA units...".

Imagine chess:
Your start with a king and pawns, nothing else.
At the start of your turn you can either move a piece, pull a random piece out of the bag and place it on the back row, or 'swap' a pawn with a random piece in the bag. (Interesting)
You can't see what your opponent did on their (previous) turn until you've moved/pull/swap. (This is terrible design and kills strategy).

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it's no The Bazaar, i'll tell you that

>>2495230
its okay but it feels like it would work better implemented as a board game

Brainless zoomer for people whose entire experience with video games begins and ends with "number goes up."

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>>2495230
Free on Epic Games till Oct 1

>>2495241
I just don't understand why there are so many units

>>2495230
Yes. Cool concept, good graphics and it's well balanced for an autobattler with good trade-offs and positioning matters.

>>2495251
Still waiting for the big dragons nerf patch. Those large items they got last month are absurd. Actually they've done very little good balancing for like 3 months now. Maybe october...

>>2495284
Isn't it just going to be free for everyone shortly?

>>2495406
Proofs?

>>2495406
I heard the same two years ago.

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>>2495408
>>2495410
Ah, here it is, idk what you lose going to free client tho.

>>2495397
illusion of depth where there is none

>>2495404
>it's well balanced for an autobattler with good trade-offs and positioning matters.
Not really. You can run the exact same setup multiple times and get different results because target selection is randomised for targets within their envelope (unless you equip an item/skill that overrides unit targetting behaviour)

>>2495417
>if you don't buy the premium version you receive 1/10th resources
more grind

It's strange that there's no watch replay button for a turn. My brain's not gonna process all that shit that just happened.

>>2495892
Game has replays though

>>2495590
Grind for what? Tech bits? All the units are playable with their standard loadout.

>>2496027
>Grind for what? Tech bits?
Unit abilities are locked behind the grind. You also receive less and have less room in your 'warehouse' to store modifiers between games im the new mode.
>All the units are playable with their standard loadout.
Playable yes, but you're severly limited in what you can do. It's significantly harder to plan out strategies and synergys when two-thirds of shit is locked. The tutorial makes a point of highlighting the synergy between units and skills but then you realise all those combos are locked behind the grind.

>>2495230
new mode looks fun
gonna actually come back for it

>>2495590
well it's FREE right now

>>2496048
New mode is shit.
It's basically a roll back to early days survival which randomised what units you could pick. It's the most rng dependant mode yet.

yes
unless you don't like autobattlers, then no

>>2496049
>well it's FREE right now
We know it is. You need to pay attention to what's being said.

>>2495406
Its free for everyone now. On Epic.

Isn't it kind of weird for the devs to be giving away the full game for free on Epic, but only the free version on Steam?

>>2496078
i don't like that part of it but i like the concept
i would prefer it if you built a deck outside of matches and then bought cards as you progressed through the planets with some rng about what was in the shop but also some control
it sucks being offered upgrades for units you don't even have and not the thing you really need

>>2496180
Or I can play it for free on a not dogshit platform.

>>2496027
>All the units are playable with their standard loadout.
>>2496045
>The tutorial makes a point of highlighting the synergy between units and skills but then you realise all those combos are locked behind the grind.

I went back and checked thinking bs and he's right, the tutorial literally tells you to do what a new player can't:
- Use the best partnr skill to spawn a marksmen - The ability is locked.
- Use the Shooter Squad skill to spawn some fangs - The ability is locked.
The loading hints are the same.
"Fire can ignite sticky oil bombs" - The ability is locked....

>>2496317
The icon is on my desktop, whatever platform its on has no impact on my game. What DOES have an impact on my game is whether it's the free version, or the full version. Which would you rather play as a fellow game-player?

>>2496353
>Which would you rather play as a fellow game-player?
The one that doesn't trigger my autism.

>>2496375
Tragic!

>>2496343
it's a great game, some of those unlockables aren't even that good

why couldn't they have just made a proper strategy game?

>>2496496
You can shill it all you want but it's bad game design to lock your tutorial content behind a paywall/grind.

>>2496540
personally i don't care if you play it or not

>>2496776
>personally i don't care if you play it or not
That's a waste of breath. Why would you care? And why should I care if you cared or not.

I believe what you really meant to say is "I don't care if you're right, I am still going to play. " and that's ok. But again, did it really need saying...

>>2496375
Epic Games is much faster than Steam on my potato PC. I dunno why it gets so much hate compared to Steam which is bloated and gamified as fuck as a software.

>>2496976
cool story timmy *sharts*

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>>2497009
It wasn't even true, something is fucked in the current Epic Games version and it was trying and failing to install Fortnite for some reason without the option to disable it, and got caught in a loop of restarting and failing updates. Good thing you can just grab the game from the website anyway, I uninstalled that shit.
That doesn't make Steam not bloated though.

>>2495230
>Played several matchs of FFA
>There's a 'Neutral' AI team in the middle
>Every round it launches wave after wave of max level super units at the player currently in the lead.
At first I thought this was bad luck, turns out it's intentional and the winning move is to avoid being in the lead so the AI curbstomps your opponenets for you in the final round.

>>2496838
you're accusing me of shilling when i literally could not care less whether you play a free game or not

I went from 600 to 800 MMR :)

>>2497418
Geez, we get it, OK?

Buy an ad already.

>>2497661
He's seething not shilling.

>>2497666
She seethes shillshells by the seetheshore?

>>2498058
But are the seethe-shills she shills seethe-shills for sure?

>>2497661
>I don't like this game and I won't play it
>oh look a thread discussing it
>ahem, guys i just have to say: stop shilling this game

I kind of appreciate why there are so many different units now, each one is a meaningfully different counterplay

>>2495230
It's pretty great, but if you want to do 2v2s you better have a friend with opposable thumbs.

>>2498286
I disagree. Once you factor in unit upgrades the number of roles is bloated and has too many overlaps.
This leads in to one of the big issues the game has, upgrades are applied to every unit whereas promotions are not. It's like the devs had no direction. Either:
1 - Upgrades and promotions are applied to all units of that type.
or
2 - Upgrades and promotions are applied to individual units.
Instead they opted for inconsistency.

>>2499166
promotions are a huge part of specific strategies. if youll remember the gospel strat, level 2 rhinos with armor are quite fun. it actually wont work with level 1 rhinos with armor.

>>2499166
Why should promotions be applied to all units? Units gaining veterancy is a long-time RTS feature, and upgrades are often entirely separate. Have you never played C&C or CoH?

>>2499166
You realize promotions are based off unit exp which is based off their kills...right?

>>2499263
>Units gaining veterancy is a long-time RTS feature, and upgrades are often entirely separate.
>Have you never played C&C or CoH?
Have you? It's been long established that you don't pay for unit veterency, it's a reward mechanic for using a unit effectively. If promotions were automatic and MB didn't charge you for them it wouldn't be an issue.

>>2499619
Ahhh and now you're changing your complaint from its applicability to its cost, you're just looking for an argument

>>2499687
All I did was point out that if the "long-time RTS feature" in MB functioned the same way as it did in the games you menitoned, it wouldn't be an issue.
I haven't changed my argument, I'm looking for consistency, you played yourself.

>>2499619
higher leveled units also give more exp when they are killed, so you dont want to promote units that you know are just going to die (chaff)

why are you even in this thread, seriously? mechabellum has been out for a while and this has been a gameplay mechanic that literally no one really bats an eye toward except you. if you prefer other autobattlers then thats great, but if you dont know literally the most basic stuff in mechabellum after about a year or two of it being out then you are just literally wasting everyone's time arguing about non-issues

>>2499696
It's being applied consistently, what changed is adding a cost and Endwar already did that 20 years ago. I'm not so reactionary that I'd clutch my pearls at a change from RTS convention.

The game's structure of deployment into repeated iterative real-time battles is a much more drastic change from convention

>>2499712
>It's being applied consistently
Promotions and tech are not applied consistently, one is applied to every unit of that type, the other to individual units, both require the user to expend resources.

>>2499712
>Endwar already did that 20 years ago
Endwar was a flop.

>>2499739
>Promotions and tech are not applied consistently
Brother, do you know what "consistent" means?
Techs are applied the same way in every instance
Promotions are applied the same way in every instance
Both are consistent, it was never a requirement or expectation for the two kinds of purchase to be identical

Might as well push your logic to its absurd conclusion to expose its stupidity that purchasing units is "not applied consistently" because it instantiates a unit rather than a stat/ability boost despite "requiring the user to expend resources.

>>2499774
>Both are consistent, it was never a requirement or expectation for the two kinds of purchase to be identical
consistent =/= identical
Should also be noted that the impact of the inconsistency is multiplied because both are activated through the same window element. You click on a (single) unit and you have two choices, upgrade a single units in one way or upgrade all units in another. They should really be spread across different window elements.

>purchasing units is "not applied consistently" because it instantiates a unit rather than a stat/ability boost
From a design point it would make more sense to migrate the tech upgrades over to the unit recruitment card. That way the unit card deals with the individual unit (and equipment), and the recruitment card deals with all units of that type (or in the case of actually recruiting, recruit another unit (- of said type).

what is this shit, window element, youre talking about UI now? lmao wasnt it about cost? people are really just saying anything to look like they know something

>>2499810
Why you shilling so hard?

>>2499166
this is not an issue lmao
it also works this way in almost every game

>>2499932
Because shills gotta shill and the devs will give him a free cosmetic pack if he earns enough goodboy points between here and reddit.

>>2499932
>>2499936
anything else (hopefully of value) to say though? all this crap you and your imaginary friend here are complaining about are legitimately skill issues and for that honestly it's pretty good that you monkeys are filtered

>why are you a shill?
>you're kinda wrong though
>you're just a shill!!!
juvenile fatherless behavior. i would have thought this board was beyond having Smash tourists

>>2499936
i'm legitimately curious about where these goodboy points are so i can actually redeem them. oh wait you're schizophrenic as well. tracks.

it's already been mentioned that no one really cares if you don't like the game. you can just go play something else. I do care, however, when you're just flat out misinformed and wrong and when you just literally do not know what you're talking about.

>>2499942
>>2499943
>>2499944
>mention shilling
>several alts. appear to defend
pottery

>>2495230
Been playing since it went free on EGS and I've got to agree with >>2495241 fpbp
>Mobile tier slop:
>the gameplay is mostly reactive and hoping you accurately predicted what will happen, in single player this goes out the window because they're pre-planned scenarios and it pulls the usual difficulty spikes of "you've been fighting nothing but ground units until now, here's a boss round with all air units, hope you remembered to bring AA units...".
The game is all about seeing what meta your opponent is running and countering it with the opposite meta. There's no feeling of control because its all reaction based. Training mode is actually a better single player mode than the actual single player because it's not constantly randomising the opposing force. Free for all is a joke because the player controlles 'neutral team' does all the work and wrecks first place for you. 2v2 is almost as bad as BAR with people rage quitting because you don't follow a specific meta.

>>2501354
>There's no feeling of control because its all reaction based.
Every competitive game is reacting to your opponent while advancing your own plan, there's plenty of control in that. I wouldn't know about FFA or 2v2 because I just do 1v1.

>>2499961
I am in your walls

>>2501354
I don't understand this kind of thinking because it actually goes both ways. ever think about how maybe you can do YOUR meta and then the opponent has to counter it

>>2502133
Following a meta leads to stale gameplay, you're no longer playing against your opponent, you're following a safe pattern. It's a big flaw of all turn based games. Mechabellum tries to alleviate this by giving rewards between turns but only serves to remove player agency because they're being limited by what the rng grants them and they're either pushed in a given direction or left feeling dissapointed because rngesus denied them their toys. Following the meta is all good if you're obsessesion is your ranking because it's statistically going to give you the greatest gains, which, arguably and unfortuanetly, is how a lot of gamers judge their 'skill'.

>>2502187
So what is this safe, unbreakable pattern that's being followed that makes the game stale? Counterplay doesn't necessarily mean stale

>>2502187
everyone has their own way of playing (meta) and has favorite units.

some people favor the Mountain cheese while I dont think i'll ever do it.
some people swear by Scorpions but I dont use them at all in favor of other units.

whatever youre saying would be valid if the game didnt give you a ton of options that are not 1:1 similar and will diversify the meta even without the rng per round.

youre not telling me that if you get the Assault Marksmen card through rng youll pick it up, buy lots of marksmen and are guaranteed to win.

>>2495241
>>2501354
>>2502187
>this game relies on you devising an effective strategy to counter an enemy's effective strategy of beating you
damn that's crazy, as opposed to what? rolling dice?
also the random cards are there to prevent there being a stale meta, you have to adapt to the hand you're given every match and improvise accordingly.

these kind of posts are so low iq and try to pass off as valid criticism by using buzzwords lol.
if the random cards weren't there you retards would be crying about how the game revolves around doing the same thing every match instead.

>>2502877
it would work only if the board and hands were wiped and re-rolled after every round

>>2502901
you have stated a premise without demonstrating why it is necessary

>>2502904
because you're endlessly playing catch up from a losing position without any actual ability to turn things around, without the game pulling some deus ex machina equalizer
RTS games don't have this issue because resources and troops don't endlessly respawn
in general, shut the fuck up you stupid obnoxious nigger and preferably kill yourself

>>2502913
>without any actual ability to turn things around
anyone who's played the game demonstrably sees how a winning board can turn into a losing one, just like your how argument has devolved into, well, that

>>2502914
>anyone who's played the game demonstrably sees how a winning board can turn into a losing one
If that were true why does free-for-all feature an AI that is designed to target and curb-stomp the player currently in 1st place? Could it be that being in a first place grants a continuous advantage that results in snowballing?

1v1/2v2 has the virtue of health which shortens the matches when one team begins to gain a total advantage.

this guy's an actual mouthbreather i don't even understand why he's still trying to argue

>>2502975
I don't care about FFA
You've contradicted yourself, first it was "you're endlessly playing catch up from a losing position without any actual ability to turn things around" and now it's "when one team begins to gain a total advantage." Is it an inability to turn things around or is it one team beginning to gain the advantage? You're tying yourself in knots

>>2503209
>I don't care about anything that might prove me wrong
I see you're not familiar with the concept of snowballing.

>>2503272
FFA is chaos by nature, so yes I don't give a damn about balance in that mode

guy is talking about balance in the modes that arent 1v1 where the game is literally balanced around oh my god are you seriously this retarded why are you in the strategy board

>>2503285
>the game is perfectly balanced
>uinless you're playing 4/5 game modes
Be careful, you're starting to contradict yourself...

>>2503441
who said it was perfectly balanced lmao you are legit braindead

i'm gonna need you to really rethink what you posted here because you have said literally not one correct thing and every time it was pointed out you just proceeded to say another wrong thing. get some help

>>2503441
the game has one primary game mode which is balanced, just fucking leave contrarian bitch.

>>2503540
>just fucking leave contrarian bitch
You're upset because you know I'm right and your only cope is
>That doesn't count because I say so!
Even the devs have acknowledged it needs a rebalance. You might want to let them know they're wrong the next time you're attempting to cash in your shill-bucks.

>>2503989
ignorance is bliss

>>2503989
okay you hate this game, you can leave now, your absence will not be noticed.

>>2504123
it was really weird how he said nothing correct and just kept arguing about a game he doesnt like. like okay i guess go back to Smash or whatever?

>>2504174
>he said nothing correct
It's quite the opposite. By saying "that doesn't count because it's not 1v1" you implicitly acknowledge and substantiate the claim. You can be in denial about the issues at hand, but it doesn't bode well when the devs themselves have acknowledged and are working on it.