It's over, finally Hololive will fail.
I guess maybe 2 more financial reports before it's over.

>>112218298
>absolute Stacy uses Cover as a stepping stone to fulfill her idol dreams
>discards them after they provide no value to her brand
BASED

>>112218298
The very image you posted says she continues her activities as a Hololive member and her IP are still bringing in profit for Cover.

lol, she's an affiliate under a different name, all to not have to write the g word

>>112218420
>he fell for the corpo glazed sentences

>>112218298
Suisei has ascended past mere Holos and indies to become a superior being that has the benefits of being both with none of the downsides.

It's a bad deal for Cover but the alternative was probably that she walked and rebranded as an indie.

>>112218298
Cover owns a significant share in Studio Stellar, this is just accounting magic.

>>112218676
>rebranded
Suisei owns the Hoshimachi Suisei IP

>>112218676
Cover can easily control all the lesser Holos, but I think if they get another actually talented ambitious superstar like Suisei this is the best way to go about keeping them on paper without tanking the brand by having them leave.

>>112218636
Retard

>>112218298
Now comes the part where the ID branch dissolves.

>>112218723
Cope drone. Sui chan won. Cover lost.

>>112218298
Why can't Calli be given this deal too? She's just as big of a star as Suisei.

>>112218773
retard

>>112218298
>Suisei is no longer part of Hololive
Actual text:
>Suisei is still in Hololive
It's just her music side that's not managed by Hololive anymore.

>>112218821
The only thing Suisei does is music

>>112218821
at least not directly >>112218693

Nothing revealed here is new, why do you dramabrowns think there isn't an uproar?

>>112218568
>all to not have to write the g word
Godzilla?

>>112218298
are you literally retarded, op?

>>112218820
Is that all you know how to say?

>hey everyone i'm stupid and also giving myself away as an illiterate
the /vt/ meta everyone

>>112218912
this scorned lig/tranny just wants to shit on Hololive at any opportunity

>>112218773
NTA but he’s right, you’re retarded if you can’t understand the post.

>>112218298
>So drama starved he created his own drama
>Didn’t work because he’s a retard with low double-digit IQ
The state of (you) anon

>>112218298
>while continuing her activities as "hololive" member
why is OP blind

>>112218981
nta but you should learn to read before going on this website, retard

>>112218813
Because she's objectively worse than Suisei
>Fat
>White
>Can't sing
>Can't dance
>Tries to be a nigger by rapping
>Boring

>>112218298
>Suisei gets more support structure to help her with staff-intensive activities
>Other Hololive members get more opportunities because cover resources are no longer concentrated on Suisei
>Hololive as a whole stays the same, with Suisei still being part of the team
>Cover is the only side taking a loss from reduced profits
This is proof that Hololive fans are not the bootlickers antis claim they are, since almost nobody is angry about the situation.

>Frog nigger can only read one paragraph
Color me shocked

>>112219523
>no quote
nice try nijisister

>>112218298
>No longer produce her concerts and similar events
>Don't get revenue from those anymore
Isn't that just understandable? They still get from merch and stuffs, no?

>>112218298
Crazy how it literally doesn’t say that at all

>>112219523
>frog
Jesus Christ, go the fuck back.

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>The real murderer of the homos is not unicorns, but Suisei, who recently cut ties with Cover and triggered a catastrophic financial meltdown within the company
You niggers deserve it for trying to hide under Suisei's skirt for years in relation to Holostars' problems

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>>112218707
Suisei only owns her original model. Her current model and the IP trademark belongs to Cover

>>112218377
Fpwp

>>112218707
https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c1801/TR/JP-2022-070448/40/en
https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c1801/TR/JP-2026-016853/40/en
Feel free to explain this

>>112218298
>share of revenue
>statement says income
Are you dumb?

>>112218813
Do you think Cover is ever going to let any of it's talents get so big they can pull a Suisei ever again?

>>112220127
Yeah, they want the revenue

>>112218813
Mori's UMG contract was effectively this, but with actual professional, established label.

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>>112219621
????????????

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>>112218298
>New Cover Q&A confirms that Suisei is no longer part of Hololive
OP do you have a reading disability

>>112220645
What’s is that, like 50 bucks US now?

>>112220690
600k usd each

>>112220127
Pulling a Suisei here means achieving mainstream popularity.
Remember the Utaite -> mainstream pop artist model is now well established in Japan with people like Nanawo Akari, Yonezu Kenshi, Ado and yes, Suisei.

If you can get someone over, you should always go for it, because it does make money.

>>112218420
Than why is Cover expecting a decrease in revenue with the vague statement that it will be mitigated to some extent from other talents. If the new contract terms with Suisei were exactly the same why would the revenue go down by several hundred million yen?

>>112220842
The new contract term isn't the same. Suisei's new agency is going to handle her concerts (including tech, producing and all those steps) and thus, will get most of the profits from those.
That, however, is vastly different from
>Suisei is no longer part of Hololive
or
>Cover no longer gets a share of most of her revenue.
unless you somehow thinks most of her revenue came from her concerts and not her merch for some reasons

>>112220960
Her individual merch, such as birthday and concert goods, would also be handled by her own agency.
Meanwhile, Hololive-wide merch like group goods would still be handled by Cover.
On paper, Cover would be losing millions since all of her individual revenue would no longer go through their system.

>>112221054
Not to mention that most talents have been telling fans to buy personal merch like the bday stuff over the mass produced group merch like FES plastics.

>>112218298
Marine and Miko are vastly more popular than Suisei.

>>112218568
Gonzo? Gorilla? Glutamate? Gluteus?

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>>112218298
>when first announced:
>impact will be minimal and we can tank it later
>now:
>impact will be of several millions of yens
I'm sorry, but this is just funny. It's insane that she somehow managed to get Cover to not only fund a studio for her, but also got away with all her merch rights which will be handled by her own agency

>>112218298
>tl;dr
They lose money because they don't get earnings from Suisei's concerts
>BUT
Other talent can use that pool of resources for their concerts instead

>>112218298
I genuinely do not understand how there were ever people who pretended this wasn't confirmed at the time of the announcement. The amount of lies people would say to cope while citing sourcing that openly contradicted what they were saying was insane. And I guess illiterate retards like this >>112218420 are still going to try that.

>>112221220
Several millions of yen (or even several hundreds millions of yen) can definitely be tanked by Cover given that their talents make, on average, 71M yen on profit (profit, not revenue - that can easily be hundreds millions of yen in revenue)
>also got away with all her merch rights which will be handled by her own agency
But she didn't?

>>112221307
Illiterate retard detected

>>112221312
>However, any activities as a solo artist, including music activities, streaming activities, new merchandise sales, and fan club management, will be transitioned to her personal agency, “Studio STELLAR.

https://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/c2026032201

>>112220960
Her merch isn't through Cover you fucking retard. Nothing solo of hers is through Cover, only when she involves Cover-owned members is she under Cover. Like a Gen 0 thing or Hoshimatic Project.

>>112221366
>>112221370
Cover still hold the IPs so at the very least they are getting some shares of it. You can literally see Cover in her fanclub merch site
Cover is letting them handle it, not that they gave away their rights.

>>112221416
They're not making any money from her anymore, she even enabled superchat again after years of having it off because it's "for her studio" now

>>112221450
>They're not making any money from her anymore
Meanwhile
>Furthermore, <...> as well as contractual and rights-related matters, will continue to present profit opportunities for our business to a certain extent. Therefore, we will not lose all revenue
?

literally nothingburger. call me again when someone actually popular leaves cover. like miko or marine.

>>112221450
Of course she is enabling SC again because she has to pay for her own stuffs now and every single cents count. Not sure how that has anything to do with "they are not making any money from her anymore". Do you think she was disabling it because she didn't want to give Cover money or something?

What would holodrones achieve by jumping through hoops over "several million yen in impact"? What is their endgame here?

I feel like neither side of discussion truly understood how valuable Suisei’s IP actually is.

>>112221557
You failed to create new drama, sister. Suck it up and try to twist facts better next time

>>112221493
>Therefore, we will not lose all revenue
True, not all of it, just most of it, since any music, supas, membership, fanclub and new merch sales is being handled by her own place now.

>>112221493
Contractual and rights-related matters means current contracts and future contracts. If they're projecting a large loss of revenue for the future, that means their actual gains from those are likely to suffer heavily in the future meaning she has more agency and gets way more money off of her name and image than they want or have for all other talents.

>>112218298
Huh, that was a very interesting reading. I certainly wonder what Cover next move will be, but I must ask something to most anons... Is being illiterate a requirement to be /here/? Read, niggers, read!

>>112219763
I don't blame anyone for wanting to hide under Suisei's skirt

>>112221592
Her name still belongs to Cover, though?

>>112221569
Suisei is probably the only vtuber I've seen so far that actually knows how to advocate for herself

>>112220842
>If the new contract terms with Suisei were exactly the same why would the revenue go down by several hundred million yen?
Because the revenue goes to Studio Stellar, not Hololive. It's just accounting magic.
Revenue, profit and all those numbers, any competent accountant can come up with constructs to give you any numbers you want.

>>112219816
RRAT Slayer , I kneel

>>112221644
What does that have to do with the fact that they have far less control and are projecting a huge loss in profit because their power in negotiations is far less reaching?

The fact that Cover just basically said they don't want another Suisei/Gura/etc bc they don't want to depend too heavily on "super talents" who can later gtfo is black company Nijisanji-level mentality, lmao.

>>112221685
Because as long as her name still belongs to Cover, they technically have controls over... well, everything. Why else do you think they not only established her new team (Studio Stellar), but also funded her new agency? Cover isn't a saint.
>a huge loss in profit
That's roughly what an average Holo makes, as anon pointed out above. It's not irrelevant, but not "huge loss" either given that Sui should make way more profits than average Holo.

>>112221685
What makes you think they have less control or less profits?
I know that this is counterintuitive, but in most jurisdictions profits are bad and companies aim to reduce their profits as much as possible, this is because unlike revenue, profits are taxed.

>>112221730
No it's not? Do you know about the eggs and baskets?

>>112221730
>they don't want to depend too heavily on "super talents" who can later gtfo is black company Nijisanji-level mentality
just seems like good sustainable business practices on multiple levels.
By carving out your super talents and giving them what they want, you 1. keep them invested in the company and 2. reduce exposure of the main corporation to the super talent leaving.
It's objectively a winning strategy..

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>>112218298
More reasons to disband holostars, we just can't take these loses under this economy.

>>112221743
That’s the loss in profit even after compensating by reallocating her freed-up resources to other talents.

>>112221746
Can you read the OP or not? It talks about profit being impacted and them hoping other talents getting a better position for future group concerts will help stem some of those losses from her having a much higher say in negotiations. They also talk about how they're thinking that not everything will be lost because the future contracts will likely still give Cover a cut, just a much smaller one.

>>112221809
NTA but that wasn't what they said. They didn't even talk about profit, they talked about revenue instead

So Suisei is basically barely above an affiliate level for Hololive? I wonder how they will handle 5% of the company's entire revenue being lost.

>>112221858
It has already happened: HoloEarth, Holostars, Dodgers, World Tour, Holosummer, JP7, EN5, etc. all getting axed

It's been a while since I've seen the magnitude of Cover dickriding present in the thread. It almost makes you wonder if anons hold a vested interest in the stock itself?

>>112221828
Anon, they pulled an accounting trick.
They carve out Suisei, this reduces their operating revenue, which then, naturally also reduces their profits.
Profits go down is not always a bad thing.

>>112221981
If I invested in Cover's stock, I'd be pissed seeing that they give little to no fuck about me and other investors
DIVIDENDS WHEN COVER YOU FUCK! BEEN ASKING FOR THIS SINCE IPO DAY 1

>>112221220
She probably wanted to graduate, but they begged her not to go, thus leading to this weird limbo we have now.

>>112221524
That is clearly why she disabled it yes, she didn't tell people not to give her money but to spend it on merch where she presumably got a better cut. Now that she gets a good cut on superchats, she wants them too (and turns them back off when it's a Cover-owned stream).

>>112222021
You are not entitled to dividends. if you want dividends buy stocks that give dividends.

>>112221828
Cover has partial ownership of Studio Stellar with the other parts being divided being Suisei and Nerd inc, the management firm that runs Studio Stellar. Cover also has purchased a significant stake in Nerd inc as part of the establishment of Studio Stellar.
This entire thing reeks of "creative" accounting, with those nested and complex ownership structures.

>>112221220
Damn making the entire corpo bend over backwards for you. Chadmachi SuiChad

>>112222041
>and turns them back off when it's a Cover-owned stream
What a piece of work.

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Honestly Cover wins more out of this arrangement than Suisei does. Mainly because the already squeezed Suisei's best years out of her.
>Her first 3 albums
>tons of merch
>big Budokon live
>big viral song

Suisei can't replicate the novelty of that journey anymore, but Cover can. Cover can allocate resources to their fresher talents with potential like Riona, Hajime, or Iroha and hedge their bets that one of them can breakout big. However Suisei needs to rely on lightning striking twice to keep up her stardom, and that only gonna get harder to do (she's isn't getting any younger either).

Cover gets to sunset the Suisei project and rev up someone else while the fans pretend she robbed the bank when in reality she's gonna peter out.

>>112222094
Suisei will get her Tokyo Dome Concert and eventually Dome Tours. Cover can suck it up and get their IP cut, 5% or something while leeching off her glory

>>112221996
>An accounting trick
No, they lost a good chunk of the profits they'd get from their cut on her revenue, per the OP. I bet you'll also ignore all the talk about SC's in the thread too as a clear example of just ONE of the MANY ways Cover won't get much from her and her IP anymore.

>>112218298
We told you, retards, many times where it was announced but you kept coping in denial because you wanted to spin as a victory for Hololive
>>112218420
"she has announced her independence"

>>112222112
The "all the talk about SC" is one of the most delusional take ITT

>>112222112
Anon, the profits go to Studio Stellar, which they partially own. They also partially own one of the co-owners of Studio Stellar.
This arrangement allows them to reduce their revenue, without actually losing out on most of that money.

>>112222109
And finally, Rungrado.

>>112222141
>"***While*** she has announced her independence, ..."
>she will continue her activities as an artist through her office while continuing her activities as a "Hololive" member with our company as before
ESLtard...

>>112218298
Basically she's technically hololive as Cover owns her IP (she owns her original model which is kaput anymore since her old pc went kaput which contains her og model and all her old assets) but all her music content and activities related to it are under studio stellar brand

>>112222141
Whether Cover wins or not is debatable, but it’s undeniably a win for Hololive.

>>112222156
You're a fucking idiot, that's not how money works. You either get the money or you don't. You don't just get to wear a moustache when you collect the money and pretend it wasn't you, that's how you get jail time.

>>112221054
>Her individual merch, such as birthday and concert goods, would also be handled by her own agency.
That definitely explains why Cover expects less money and Suisei must be getting a much higher cut on anything sold by her talent agency.

>>112221996
>Anon, they pulled an accounting trick.
Unless they are cooking the books, which is major crime in Japan, they really are earning less revenue from Suisei. A big reason they are doubling down on gens and units is because having big name talents with a loyal fan base can be a huge negative for a corporation if they leave.

>>112222286
>went kaput
You can recover shit from a dead hard drive.

>>112222914
Suisei would very likely be a co-owner of the agency as well.

>>112218405
Never liked her

if it was as simple as anons here are making it out to be then they would just give a straight answer. if she was still in hololive and nothing was changing, then she would still be in hololive and her announcement wouldn't have happened. she left the brand and they are being deliberately evasive and vague to avoid financial damage to the company.

remember around this time a year ago when people started to leave vshojo for vague unexplained reasons that didn't really make sense? they didn't really answer anyone's questions just said that they loved the vshojo girls over and over.

>>112223149
>remember around this time a year ago when people started to leave vshojo for vague unexplained reasons that didn't really make sense? they didn't really answer anyone's questions just said that they loved the vshojo girls over and over.
you are fucking stupid if you think something similar will start happening in hololive.

>>112223149
She is still in Hololive, and nothing has changed.
Nobody is being evasive about anything. In reality, this thread is simply them being transparent about the financial hit they’re taking from the decision.

several hundred million yen anons, that's the total revenue suisei was making for concerts, that's gone but they expect that to be mitigated in some amount by now being able to put on other concerts for other talents.

this is obviously not great for cover but if they do own a chunk of studio stellar it's a bit of a win win or at least a big win for suisei and a push for cover. This was basically the best possible result they could get that involved suisei leaving and she still gets to get endless promotion from using cover's IP and being on everyone's streams. The other point someone raised about it potentially being hard for suisei to keep going is true, her latest stuff is not nearly as good as her early stuff and even her collab song with marine was shit. that probably won't matter much for her bottom line because she's got cult fans but might limit further growth.

her turning on super chats now is fucking hilarious though if it's true. I guess she no longer cares about saving her precious hoshiyomi wallets now that she gets a good cut on SCs lmao. she hates her fans so fucking much

>>112223198
yea there's no way something like that could happen. vshojo also went through a bunch of layoffs before they collapsed. wait

>>112223238
you are fucking retarded, WHAT FUCKING LAYOFF?
HOLOSTARS ARE DOGSHIT, THEY BARELY COUNT AS CONTRACTORS.

>>112223200
>nothing has changed.
>transparent about the financial hit they’re taking from the decision.
Damn we have politicians in vt lol

>concert resources will be allocated to other talents
i see this as a win

>>112223273
Then what actually changes from the fans’ perspective?

>>112223258
vshojofags said the same about the random managers who got fired

>>112223290
sure dude, sure. hololive will crumble. Two more weeks.

>>112223388
if hololive is doing so well why are they firing talents and why did suisei remove all references to it from her channel and go independent

>>112223427
k

>>112223388
Why does everyone always jump to doors shuttering. What's more likely to happen is the contracts with talents get slimmer and slimmer for the talents actual take-home and they start to leave.

>>112221763
>>112221783
Yes, that's Nijisanji (JP at least) mentality.
>Grow and prosper, but not too much, just the right amount for you to know that without me, you're a nobody.
If the talent grows too much, then they will actively hinder her, like Salome. But don't get me wrong, that's a normal corpo (not vtuber specifically) attitude towards talented workers, it's not "bad" per se, they're a business after all, but you then admit that talents are just now another resource, you don't actually want them to achieve their dreams if it's too inconvenient.

>>112223441
>Why does everyone always jump to doors shuttering
because I realized I'm talking to a monkey.

>>112223283
The entire pretext for the thread is about how Cover is taking a financial hit because a talent decided they didn't want to give them as much and they had to strike a bad bargin in a bid to keep her.

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>>112218298
Does that mean there won't be any more Suisei cards in the OCG?

>>112223441
HOLY ESL
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>>112223456
The dude who posted 'VSHOJO SITUATION' is stupid, Cover isn't going to close its doors tomorrow. You are also a brainless faggot for pretending none of this matters.

>>112223485
no, of course not. suisei is still giong to be in company merch she still streams with all the holomem but now her own birthday merch and and concerts are handled by a company she, cover, and that new management company own

>>112223459
>the fans’ perspective

>>112223485
no

>>112223499
that post is grammatically correct other than using a period instead of a question mark

>>112223441
the talents would have to be really fuckin dumb to jump ship in this economy, foot the bill for new models, and just hope their paypigs follow.

>>112223539
missing a possessive apostrophe if we wanna get technical and it's just clumsily written. It does read ESL / not native english because of the structure even if technically mostly correct.

>>112223568
why are you acting like you encountered some 'just enjoyers' tier nonsense then

>>112223552
Depends purely on contracts we will never know other than if they talk about being mad about them. Speculation isn't going to get us anywhere and t's fine to say the company as a whole is doing worse than it was for the last 2-3 years, but the talents aren't leaving and the entertainment is still there.

>>112223524
>>112223529
You're saying "No, there won't be any more Suisei cards" or "No, silly, that doesn't mean there won't be more Suisei cards, so don't worry"?

>>112222491
Anon, it is perfectly legal to offload income on or take in from a subsidiary to manipulate the amoubts of profit you or the subsidiary make.
Spinning out these companies is the #1 accounting trick

>>112223581
I'm not the person that posted the ESL message just replying to u hth

>>112223605
there will be more suisei cards.

>>112218654
Suisei will forever be depressed because people will never see her for anything else than a budget-Ado.

>>112223605
Everything involving Suisei within the Hololive context would stay the same.
The only real difference is that her personal merch/ticket would be sold through her own website.

>>112218298
retard

>>112223290
It’s pretty sad for those fucks too. Had VShojo been public or had to do quarterly public reporting a, they could have spotted the red flags earlier. Assets to liabilities ratio or something.

>>112223581
Because the words used are absolutely alien, even if the sense gets through

>>112218298
Wake me up when she joins a mario kart tourney again or something.

>>112223749
i think you're actually the esl here and you've never seen the phrase take-home so you think the other guy is more foreign than you

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>>112223427
Haeh?

>>112218298
FINALLY LETS FUCKING GOOOO BLACKLIVE IS SO OVER

>>112224651
i said her channel. that is not her channel.

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>>112224861
If we want to go with the technicality of exactly her YT channel, what's this, then?

>>112218420
People come here to spread malicious gossip. That's it. That's why this place exists.

>>112224907
that's her youtube channel. notice that it doesn't say hololive anywhere.

>biggest talent leaves to become a pseudo-affiliate
Erm, Hologods? What's happening here? Why are you losing another one of your most popular assets?

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this might be the most byzantine contract ever put to paper

>>112223522
>Cover isn't going to close its doors tomorrow
They aren't, that isn't possible, and that guy is retarded. However, Cover has the issue of being a massively overleveraged public stock with a dying market base. So far they've managed to post an increase in revenue but they're the kind of company that can flip on a dime to loss and there's no backup. They got rid of their ridiculous games that went nowhere and nobody was gonna buy. With Suisei distancing herself and taking revenue, Stars falling apart, and EN looking to break further I can't imagine they're in a comfortable position. If another big name like Pekora starts making a stink about compensation and cuts, and she has the numbers for it, you're going to see some serious breakdown and fast.

>>112224934
>it doesn't say Hololive anywhere
>a bunch of "From Hololive" in that pic
Are your eyes fine, anon?

>>112218405
spbp
always kinda hoped that was what she'd do. hope her singing chops and tetris addiction pay her bills for a long time to come

>>112223552
I feel this would be the easiest for holos, even losing 70% of their viewers would still net them a really good following for years. Being said vtubing in general is not as lucrative as before so probably will need some long term plan eventually.

>>112222914
>cooking the books
this kind of "cooking the books" is something every company does and it is technically legal.

>>112218813
Mori has no ownership of the IP

>>112225365
LMFAO
> Stars falling apart
the stars have been deadweight they were slowly cutting costs on for years until they've finally essentially gotten rid of them because they were not profitable. The JP talents are still insanely popular and profitable and it's so bizarre that people are trying so hard to doomer about hololive.

>>112225492
yeah? running all your own shit is easier and just hoping that your paypigs follow you over and now you're cut out of the holobox that keeps you relevant?

She's irrelevant and an awful streamer, big loss

>>112218298
Is that the girl from Fortnite?

>>112225392
circle where it says hololive in the image

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>>112225365
>Pekora
Kek
She can't even sell out her collab merch

>>112227380
cope holodrone

>>112218298
>Suisei going half-indie means the homos couldn't leech off her anymore so they got axed

based beyond belief

>>112227333
Depends on what you are saying. If you still want to keep doing irl idol stuff, yeah prolly tough to do without backing. Streaming? that shit any moron can do lol, doesn't take a rocket scientist to keep that shit going as you can see from any and all the retards who stream these days.

>>112227865
doraemon is super popular though, how come he can't?

>>112218298
Good hope cover finally dies.
Suisei deserved better then homostars leeching off her
Be cover has angels gura and mumei
Promotes nigga Mori
No1 likes nig music or pays for big music
It dies.
Lol

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>>112227673
NTA, but blind-chama...

>>112228486
wow that's some prominent branding

>Suisei separates from Cover and takes the money with her
>Holostars JP goes under
>HoloEarth gets shitcanned
So she alone was making enough to support at least eight to ten low-budget VTuber careers and an MMORPG? Damn.

>>112218298
It's crazy how Suisei managed to leave hololive in a way that fans don't even really care or notice happened. Like her leaving you'd think would be a much bigger deal, but really it's business as usual for her and her fans while Cover the company is scrambling to find ways to recoup the losses her absence has caused

>>112229433
Well, going by Cover's financial report, average Holo makes ~$450K a year (not counting the "loans" they get so it's actually higher). That number was already dragged down by homos and you can be sure Suisei should make way more than that. If Lamy made between $700K and $1.6M in 2023, no way Sui isn't making million+ (that is after Cover already got their cuts).
Then we look at homoJP where Shien, one of their top 3-4 when it comes to pay pigs, used to make... around $70K a year.
So yeah, Sui (and top Holos) is just that big

>>112229537
That should always be the ideal in cases like this

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>>112218298
I like how OP's screenshot literally contradict his statement but 3/4 of the posters in this thread just roll with it because they can't fucking read.
Holoantis really aren't sending their brightest.

>>112229537
studio stellar is still a joint venture w/ cover it's not like they still don't have their hooks in her even if she has more freedom

>>112229915
NERD Inc. (her new agency) is partially funded by Cover, too. They turned from a freelancer team to a company just for Suisei

>>112218298
She literally graduated with the IP, but Cover doesn't want to make their fanbase panic and meltdown so they beg/pay her large money so they can still has the hololive's sticker on her name. The big lost in money from the recent financial report was because of that

>>112229892
brainlet

Suisei becoming a satellite talent to Hololive is kinda KINO, all I want for her is to get what she deserves, and all I want from her is to still be a blue woman Holo, it's all wins for me and less win but not a complete loss for Cover

>>112230409
Why did they do it with suisei but not any of the bigger talents that left?

She hasn't released any banger since bibideba and that was 3 years ago

Negligible

>>112231239
might not have thought of it and other than POSSIBLY aqua it wouldn't have been worth it for cover. Like shion doesn't matter, chloe was nothing compared to suisei, kanata graduated for other reasons than the rest and isn't streaming anymore.. Suisei is a unique existence in holo and this arrangement wouldn't make sense with anyone else really. though sora and calli already have their music mostly handled outside of cover as well is my understanding.

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>>112218298
The cinderella story. Shooting the fairy in the back, marrying the prince and running of with his money. Somewhere out there in America there is a movie about this.

>>112230409
She always owned the IP
Her arrangement with Cover was unique from the get go

>>112232767
this is not even slightly accurate LMAO

getting to use her previous name and model as a base was the unique arrangement. she absolutely does not own the IP you fucking retard tourist.

>>112232847
Thats literally the entirety of the IP
Cover could maybe argue ownership of specific outfits but that could get messy in a legal conflict as they could be classified as derivative works

>>112232946
ah yes clearly you are a lawyer on Japanese IP and cover just never thought of this and suisei is still paying cover for IP usage because she's retarded and everyone in japan is retarded but you, a fucking subhuman mouth breather are the one person that knows how IP rights work in Japan.

>>112233008
Whats cheaper and better optics?
Cutting cover a cheque to remain in their overall ecosystem and avoid a loud messy legal battle?
Or getting into a loud and messy legal battle because Cover doesn't want to lose her.

>>112233084
why would it poissibly be a loud and messy legal battle when you already said it's insanely open and shut case for suisei?? fucking retard. INSANELY obviously suisei signed over IP rights to cover when she joined and was allowed to use that model. iirc she even said as much back then. There is no other way cover would spend a shitload of money building up and supporting an IP that they don't own.

>>112228329
Idiot pekora is not Doraemon

>>112233152
They signed Susei in the early days before profit maximising business school types had their claws in the company
And it would be loud and messy because Cover would fight it. It doesn't matter how open and shut something is, you can always drag it out

>>112218298
Other talents can no longer complain that Susie gets 20x the support anyone else does because she's not on the same roster anymore.

>>112233460
this is still based on your thorough knowledge of japanese copyright and IP law right? and yes early cover was so careless about this that's why it was a huge deal for suisei to get to keep using the suisei name. cover definitely didn't care about anything and would never have taken precautions.

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>>112233152
Japanese law makes her legal owner of Hoshimachi Suisei until she dies.

>>112233785
it literally says the economic rights can be freely transferred which cover would have obviously required suisei to have done.

>>112234116
read the moral rights section.

>>112234301
yes she might have the "moral rights" to the name and the original model that she lost. that is not any of the other models, costumes, or even conceptual IP spawned like the axe association or suicopath which are all owned by Cover. And she wouldn't have the economic rights to the name or original model.

>>112234472
didn't they revised some IP laws because of that one incident where a former idol was banned from using her REAL NAME because her previous agency apparently owned it?

>>112218636
>he made up a bunch of baseless headcanon

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>>112218298
who are we really siding over this topic here really? are we corpo bootlickers or actual fans of the talent herself?

>>112229017
I'd be ashamed to be your dad, anon. Imagine raising a kid who gets humiliated on 4chan.

>>112218298
What's the point of including an image that contradicts your post? Hoping that the ESLs won't bother doing an OCR translation?

>>112235283
that article was actually written in English.

>>112218636
If anything can mean the exact opposite then how can anything mean anything? They said she will continue her activities as an independent artist, so does that mean she actually won't?

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>4% YoY in revenue
does cover hit their growth plateau, look grim

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>>112237058
they lost half of the revenue to other corpo instead of 100% Suisei's money like before then, that is a lose

>>112237141
But Watamelon still makes 100% of the money.

>Holofags only care about the company, not the talents
>Why wouldn't you be angry when the company sacrifices revenue for the talents?
Holoantis, everyone. They're bootlicking Cover more than we ever do.

>>112218693
out of everyone in the thread this is the only anon that gets it

>>112218298
She'll simply become a new supplier, that's how people usually branch out on their own in any company: learn the business, identify a problem, solve it by turning it into a business. In reality, they never stop working for the company; they just stop being its employees.

BRRRROOOOOOOOOOWWWNNNN

>>112218298
Thank god, I wanted to buy the Fortnite skin because it was her but hated the idea of buying anything that would support Hololive.
Now I don't regret buying it.

>>112234472
yeah, I never said she did. She can make a new model.

>>112218298
>New Cover Q&A confirms that Suisei is no longer part of Hololive
I said it when it happened but you weren't ready to accept it.

>>112238134
You don't have to announce yourself.

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>>112218298
remove her from the gundam collab, then

>>112218298
On the bright side, it sounds like they're going to give more girls sololives with the money they would have used for Suisei's

>>112230409
it's even worse than that, they became her bitches for the time being so that the retarded fans don't freak out and shit themselves in rage.

>>112240820
No I like Suicomet

>>112237141
Cover owns about half of Nerd Inc.

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>>112218298
>Kaneko

>>112238032
You think any of the children here, ignoring that the whole thing is partially funded by Cover themselves, understand that?

>>112220799
When did Kenshi do not self-covers?

>>112218420
>she's not quitting hololive, she's just streaming less to do other media
>she's not quitting hololive, she's just making her own company that's part of hololive
>she's not quitting hololive, she's just earning most of the money off of herself
>YOU ARE HERE
>she's not quitting hololive, they still have her name on their website
>she's not quitting hololive, the company still has her as one of the three talents that remain
>she's not quitting hololive, she'll be one at heart even after the company bankrupted

Most likely her contract has some 5 year clause that forces her to remain, as soon as that expires all the Cover/holo branding on her stuff will disappear.

>>112246659
Hachi is not a utaite, but he is similar enough to the others.