Cool beans.

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>>112334720
Phase is next

>>112334720
Should there be an graduation Orgy just like those jav's whenever they leave the industry?

>>112334720
RIP, hope Stronny still posts lewd irl stuff tho

>>112334720
Well, that sucks. I thought they were doing pretty well.

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>>112334720
Another massive Lumi W.

>>112334720
It says right there
>it wasnt profitable enough
I guess 80% payments in favor of the talents dont pay off huh

>>112334906
Workshopping for ideas Kiara?

So what are these stronny health issues? I saw that she stopped streaming but everyone is vague about it. Is this a play from sabas handbook?

>>112334720
>Wtf Happened?
>>112333531
>>112334897

Mara just quit her irl job to go full time vtubing no?

>>112335107
she's pregnant and has enough simpbux to raise her kid for the next few years. no refunds.

>>112335107
if you've ever had to wrangle just a single woman you would understand. i can only imagine what its like to wrangle upwards of 7-8 of them because they wont do what was int thier contracts

>>112335133
Yeah, she just did a stream reaffirming that she will still keep at it and shares a new community Discord with Ceru and Stronny.

>>112335152
maybe that's why she's been super chonky in those last irl pics

>>112335079
It's more like trying to shun your fellow vtubers and pandering to unicorns didn't really pay off.

>>112335111
But they're on:
>patreon (no longer bans NSFW stuff and they said they regret ever doing so)
>fansly (literally a porn site)
>Merch? Not selling sex toys or anything so no issues

Why wouldn't payment processors work with them?

>>112335193
Yeah seems like bullshit

>>112335193
tbf payment processors (read jews) dont need a reason to just fuck things up for people

now what?

>>112335351
I am killing myself

>>112335351
Business as usual I guess? Nobody is losing any models and they get to do whatever they want

>>112334838
Two more weeks?

>>112335407
Nooo don't kys your so sexyy (probably)

>>112335351
>>112335450
Pretty much
The ones who actually bothered to make content are still going to make content (with Ceru planning on splitting her attention across her three channels for some reason) and the ones that didn't make content are going to continue not to make content but this time you can expect that once they leave they will never come back.

>>112334720
Lemon assassin has struck again. She only just started her vacation.
>>112334838
Lol

>>112335553
>3 channels
whats the third?

I am concerned about stronny. I hope she is okay

>>112335162
>shares a new community Discord with Ceru and Stronny.
Did Vallure die to cliques?

>>112335193
>>112335111
This fucking retard thinks patreon and fansly are payment processors
I swear to god man. Why are we infested by 80 iq retards?
Patreon and fansly DONT HAVE A CHOICE you fucking morons.
If they don't tow the line they lose everything. Because you know they wouldn't be making 10% of the money if they could only accept crpyto.

>>112335079
It literally does not say that
>>112335107
We don't know. Literally the only thing we were told is "stronny is in poor health". Everything else is rrats.

>>112335619
Stronny herself made an announcement that she is soft graduating. All her future content will be prerecorded and her fansly/patreon will close. Reads to me like Stronny is having major health issues and VAllure can't continue with it's CEO

>>112335604
I guess her backup Mother Moldova wholesome channel counts unless that got rolled into her Yunya channel at some point.
>>112335634
Nah those three are just all based in Brittan these days and so have formed a IRL relationship.

>>112335713
Yep i am killing myself

Press S to spit

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Do we know what's going to happen to the gen 3 models? Ceru showed some of them off on her stream.

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>>112334720
Hololive sends its regards

>>112334720
>>112335351
I hope Phylia trucks on

Now it's E-roi's time to swoop in and steal the gooner audience

>>112334720
From what I can tell there were a few different issues
Some of the girls didn't even like doing lewd content
They had a 0% cut from places outside of YouTube and twitch and on Merch
Most of the girls were low 3 views with a lack of desire to stream regularly
Gen 2 was complete flop

>westoid trash
I wish all those companies would disband and their talents retire for good so that vtubing could go back to being 95% JP only like back in 2019.

>>112335939
sold to butchers for meat

>>112336053
This but also all vtubers should just turn to porn and prostitute themselves if they want to whore themselves for money so bad

>>112335939
They're all awful anyway. Stronny was the only good design in this entire company.

>>112336051
>Gen 2 was complete flop
I don't recognize any of the names from their second gen at all. Like I've never even seen them mentioned anywhere.

>>112336086
Ironically Stronny is the only notable chuuba in the whole company. Unfortunately the CEO can't carry the whole thing

>>112335193
>Patreon
Company took a 0% cut from all patreon and money
>Fansly
Company took a 0% cut from all fansly money
>Merch
Company took a 0% cut from all merch

>>112336107
Immy has more subs than her.

That's a shame. Losing small corpos will only likely accelerate vtubing's balkanization, when more unity is needed

Pippa should tweet something nice about them.

>company claims to be talent first and doesnt take cuts
>runs out of money and dies
talent first vtuber agencies have the same succses rate as communism

>>112336051
>>112336086
Ceru is long time NSFW ASMR producer Varyana, but the shift to being a Vtuber was such a dramatic one that it killed a lot of her audience retention between her PL's work and her Ceru content.
Really for the members of Gen 2 that did regularly make content the issue was that they were releasing really nice ASMR videos but were shit streamers, which is the actual bread and butter of being a Vtuber.

>>112334720
Sadly, Stronny has major health issues now, I fear it could be cancer, which is why she has to pull the plug on this, she was literally the CEO and doing everything.

>>112336222
This is why vtubering should be structured around trade associations that hire managers, not managers that hire vtubers. Nobody outside the walled garden GAF about a larger brand anymore.

stronny, ceru, and maybe mara were probably making more in their PLs

>>112336132
Nobody cares about the loli fags

What exactly were they spending on them that they run out of money? Outfits and model 2.0s? Feel like those would play by themselves even when taking 20% of the revenue if the corpo paid in full

I dont get it

>>112336113
What did they actually take a cut from?

>>112336303
Mara jsut started making enough to pivot to Vtubing full time right before the plug got pulled.

>>112336244
Honestly it was probably the designs too. Like I said, VAllure had terrible designs unless you reeeallllly loved exclusively loli characters.

>>112336354
Superchats/memberships and twitch bits/subs.

>>112336345
They were gearing up to launch gen 3, model being complete and all before running out of money For Stronny's medical bills

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we never got to see them...

>>112336405
That really sucks if spoiler is true

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>>112336202
Pippa doesn't like porn and porn addicts as was proven by her crashout over Uma Musume porn and My Little Pony porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDg7EmUmwoA

>>112336411
Ceru showed off two of them. I hope we get to see the rest, I'm curious about "definitely not a clown" girl

>>112336252
This. Stronny's health is fucked, and I'm starting to believe it could be either a disease or cancer-related, so her focus will have to be on paying medical bills towards recovery.

>>112336379
I like Sinthya's design but the rest were a miss.

>>112335713
Damn. Stronny was always my favorite. That accent is god tier.

>>112336428
She has socialized medicine in her country.

>>112336428
The spoiler is half a joke but the company really was being held together by Stronny and her medical issues are directly responsible for her not being able to lead and in turn for not being able to manage revenue into the company.

>>112336379
I guess that's why I liked some of their designs then. Mainly the loli girls

>>112334838
i have never heard of half of these. are they chink brands?

>>112336463
>2026
So she really was just a grifter

>>112336579
It's not a joke, watch more streams, stronny's health has been in the decline and now have been having medical issues. It's a shame they are closing though

>>112336463
I am reminded once again why i despise pippa

>>112336670
That's why I said its half a joke, because Stronny for all intents and purposes, is VAllure so I was jokingly implying that she was using the funds that were meant to go into Gen 3 for her medical bills.

>>112336405
>spoiler
lmao murica moment

>>112336113
>Patreon audios are the only obligatory NSFW aspect of being in VAllure
>Company doesn't take a cut from it
What the fuck

>>112336848
he's wrong lol

>>112336463
>Muh children could see MLP porn in muh brony cons
>Literally just defended FeFe and her wanting to whore in vtuber cons and vtuber orgies
Her crashout over Uma Musume porn also doesn't make any sense. Uma Musume already was big before the whole global release shit, there already was shit loads of porn of those anime chicks, what the fuck are you talking about them cancelling anything over porn?

>>112336113
Doesn't sound very sustainable, beyond Stronny working herself into a breakdown.

>>112336113
>>112336848
They took a cut from Patreon, that guy is a retard. From what I understand that's the majority of their revenue. They don't take a cut from Fansly though due to it not having been written in the contract, I also think there was some weird shit with Icey due to prostitution laws in her country.

>>112334720
So who is phasing in?

>>112336113
I know it's pure fiction but i am constantly reminded from reading this thread of the office arc where michael forms his own company thinking he can sustain the business by being "nice" to his clients with free handouts

>>112335713
I thought it was more she was winding down the NSFW stuff and will be just SFW streaming?

>>112336411
>We were going to have a clanker, some clussy & someone that most likely had female circumcision scars on top of being another gore lover
Day fuckin' RUINED. My best wishes for everyone, especially Stronny and Irmmy, but that sucks wart-ridden cock.

>>112335713
Funny, I didn't read half of the things you said in that announcement.

>>112336670
Oh, last I heard she was having some mental health problems, not general health issues.

>>112337217
mental health issues can turn into physical health issues pretty quickly

Nobody will ever squish plushies like Stronny did...

>>112335079
It literally does not fucking say that at all retard KEK.

>>112336984
Too busy with the convention.

>>112334720
More like FAILLURE

The only good one was Mara because she was consistently streaming on fansly
Shibi was a lazy fat bitch with a bf, fuck you cloudiesabre

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https://x.com/MaraVespidae/status/2061546443953848492
>no 90cm tall clown girl onahole
why live

>>112338131
>that watermarking
real donut steel shit here

Welcome back DTL and Varyana

>>112336821
I don’t think she lives in America.

>>112338131
thigh central

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>>112334720
Wasn't hardcore enough for me to stay interested.
Totally being serious btw. I wanted to see her snatch and butthole on the regular, as well as the other girls.
They were way too softcore and that gets boring quickly in a digital age were hardcore is readily available. For this to work they needed to go hard as fuck. Parasocial combined with a lot of good quality smut.

Also they stopped doing loli stuff which is when I checked the fuck out. Miss me with that pussy shit.

>>112338131
eh not for me but I guess some people like those kind of designs

someone needs to update that graph

>>112338131
We were robbed.
This shit is fire especially the clussy.

>>112338131
>90cm
IMAGINE

>>112338131
the skin colors, body proportions, and gimmicks all suck compared to the older models imo

>>112335457
two more weeks come for everyone and when your shitty literal whos finally fucking die, I will shit on their graduated graves because phase deserves the worst

That Scottish accent makes my cock so fucking hard though, I just wish we had more Scottish AVtubers

>>112335193
It might be the bank that handled the company's finances, it's not unheard of banks to refuse payments even when someone does everything by the book

>Socks will outlive VAllure
what the fuck is this timeline

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>>112334720
How can I trust a group of people if they cannot be honest?

>SFW whores with garbage ASMR flop
Wow, who could have seen that coming

i see why they moved to 8ch, some of you fucks are absolutely miserable lmao

>>112338656
Vtuber corp with a lot of porn on the side will always outlive a purely porn corpo

>>112339261
They're not going to fuck you, little bro.

>>112339261
Did they? Sounds like bullshit.

>>112335939
Oh in which stream did she show them? I'd like to fantasies about Stronny being in good health and debuting gen 3 and everything goes well.

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>>112339326

>>112339349
Her latest one.

>>112338131
Not a single loli, VAllure has been dead u_u)

>>112339261
they never learned that schizos are free advertising

>>112339595
Not all exposure is good exposure, the people brought in by schizos are just exhausting and not worth it.

I'm confident that this is somehow all Icey's fault too.

>>112339627
If you think about it, this is all Eri's fault.

So now the question is
Who is going to keep going
Who is going to keep going but abandon the character for a new one
Who is going to say their going to keep going but drop it in under a year
Who is going to finish their community obligations and then vanish
And Who is going to just vanish

>>112339880
You can just go on shitter and read all of their statements.

>>112339880
Azura will probably just quit. I don't know anything about gen 2.

>>112338253
Same. Shit was pretty awful.
>pay $10 a month to hear me whisper into a mic and tell you Im cumming

>>112339880
All of them posted their messages about it on twitter already but the few that stated their plans:
>Immy and Shibi will be doing guerrila streams
>Mercy is quitting nsfw completely (not like she was posting anything)
Rest will talk about it on stream

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>>112336379
I think Ceru has a pretty decent design overall. Sexy female robocop with dog motif goes together decently well.

>>112340152
nuggets are sex

the models are hideous, the company virtual signals to the talent first shtick

Yeah I wonder why

>>112339880
>Who is going to keep going
Immy, Azura, Shibi, Sinthya, Mara,Ceru
>Who is going to keep going but abandon the character for a new one
Phyla
>Who is going to say their going to keep going but drop it in under a year
Stronny :(, Icey, Quetzu
>Who is going to finish their community obligations and then vanish
Mercy
>And Who is going to just vanish
None

>>112340152
Its alright. I think the worst model was Immy and she designed it herself for the most part. Genuinely awful.

>>112340243
Yet she's the most popular one.

>>112340253
Immy was the only one with any real sauce when it came to streaming, while the rest relied on their coom and asmr aspects.

>>112334720
F

>>112334720
Payment processers hate R18 content and will end up holding the money they earned from them

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>>112334838
inshallah

>>112340273
Basically

>>112340311
This is honestly such a bullshit answer that it's easy to call out. While payment processors have tried to put an end to lewd content and stuff like that recently, half of these girls have already said that they're going to continue doing lewd content and also there are quite a few Vtubers who do lewd content on the side without having any issues with their payment processer.
The truth is that the brand was unprofitable, their second gen went absolutely nowhere and with them shaping up to release a third gen while the founder was dealing with medical issues, that unprofitability finally caught up with them. It turns out that having an 80/20 split does not work especially when you DONT TAKE MONEY FROM ONE OF THEIR PRIMARY SOURCES OF INCOME

First kemono shuts down now vallure
It sucks, should have downloaded their stuff, shibi's was very good

>>112340619
It was all unremarkable ASMR and pussy noises.

>>112340670
>>112340345

>>112340152
thought she had the best gen 2 design which im happy about because ive been listening to her for like a decade now

I remember DTL and Vary had vtuber models of their OCs which they used a couple times many years ago. I wonder if they'll ever go back to that.

>>112340670
can you picture an apple in your head?

>>112335351
We wait for the upcoming Phasecon disaster

>>112340605
There's nothing to suggest they weren't profitable. That's why they can afford to just hand everyone their full IP at no buyout, and why they were able to afford the Gen3 designs.
It's literally just a bus factor of 1 catching up to them.

>>112340605
Its not an issue on the members themselves, its an issue when running a company and trying to invest in anything outside of the talent to grow the compnay.
So since the corposide of things was basically was Stronny with no capability (or money to brute force things because of the 80/20 split) to grow it to outside herself, when she went down it all went down with her.

I'm curious were all of them whores or had a fansly or did some of them just do gfe and didn't go full whore?
Also were there any normal ones?

>>112341132
dude there were 12 members there's going to be a bit of everything

>>112341132
Some just did their monthly 4 patreon roleplays the corpo required and otherwise just gfe

>>112340705
sorry anon, read that guide but still have no clue how to access those vods
thanks still

>>112341166
It was just a question I only am aware of the existence of a couple of the talents vaguely but don't know anything else besides they exist.
>>112341182
Who did what? I might check out the more normal ones

>>112340822
Nothing aside from the fact the corporation is shutting down immediately and selling off all their models that were supposed to go to Gen 3.
You know, something that's very common with extremely profitable and successful corporations.

Damn it turns out running a brothel where you let the whores keep all the money isnt profitable? Who would have guessed

>>112341231
We have a very clear and plausible reason - the CEO can't do the job anymore, and the company can't function without the CEO because there isn't enough staff to delegate the work.
No reason to make shit up.

>>112340152
Good concept with a bad design

>>112335713
She's definitely preggo, deleting all those stuff or rather stopping with lewd stuff before her kid is born, got chunky in her latest irl pics... Wasn't there months ago some convention where vallure attended to? Meet and greet stuff?

>>112341132
Icey couldnt do fansly because shes a ukranian migrant or some shit and her country wouldn't allow her to

>>112334720
Not surprising with Stronny having 5 past online personas

>>112341348
shes not stopping, and i hope she keeps the weight. it looks great on her

>>112334720
Did any of them have any nude models, or was it just all NSFW audio and images?

>>112334897
>Stronny refused to let them hyper focus on a handful of paypigs via commissions.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't since you're at the mercy of those few people then and if they're anything like when furries get involved in patreon projects, things go to shit fast.

>>112339346
It's the one that's not run by far right epstine pedos.
Some people stayed there after 4chan got hacked because they implemented IDs and it exposed extreme samefagging by some schizos.
Which is nice, but defeats the point of total anonymity.

>>112341306
Let's say that's true, why didn't she find a successor to take care of the company. Find somebody to sell the company off to that understood business and understood the talents? She would have had several months to do so. Medical issues that could cause you to stop your entire life don't just suddenly pop up.
Let's be real, every single one of these companies that has advertised a massive split in favor of the talents has ended up shutting down and all for the same reason, profits. A 0% merch cut or fansly cut was retarded especially if they were only taking 20% on superchats and memberships. For reference, YouTube already takes 30% from both of those. Each of the girls would have to be making several thousand through superchats, bits and memberships just to justify the cost of the models, debut songs and artwork.

>>112341484
>Medical issues that could cause you to stop your entire life don't just suddenly pop up.
You'd be surprised. You drag yourself along every day and then one day you just break down. Assuming you're employed, it might happen to you one day.

>>112341481
Sinthya did have a full nude 3d model, don't know about the others

>>112341359
>refugee tries to prostitute herself
That is depressing

>>112341521
You act like she was doing anything physically intensive and it just suddenly happened.
She was masturbating once a month and streaming 2-3 hours for 3 days a week if that.
Regardless of what anyone will try to claim, a company cannot survive when it's making absolutely nothing off of the people that it employs.

>>112341484
>She would have had several months to do so. Medical issues that could cause you to stop your entire life don't just suddenly pop up.
They do and it is sad to witness. The dramatic sudden medical turn for the worse in media is very much real.

>>112336048
>all those shellyu bikini pics

>>112341606
you clearly have never tried to tard wrangle a woman, let alone 10+ before. that shit would nearly kill a man let alone some tiny scottish chick

>>112341606
It happens to office workers, too. Like I said, you'd be surprised.
But sure, they had money for Gen 3 but not to just operate the company that employs practically no one and had to shut down immediately.

>>112341669
My guess is after the bill for Gen 3 came in they suddenly realized
>we don't have shit for money....how the fuck are we going to pay for a new gen, artwork and a debut song?
Stronny likely declared bankruptcy and used the models/rigging as liquidation, which is why there have been a few people who knew that they passed the auditions but won't be getting their gen3 model. They likely will be using any additional merchandise, phones, logos, trademarks and etc to pay off debts.

What do you think is the more likely option, that out of every single person who does adult content on places like fansly or patreon, only these girls were targeted and they couldn't possibly start doing business on subscribestar or rplay, or that the company went bottom up after 2 years of making little to no profit?

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>>112338131
What were their names /vt/?

>>112341484
>Medical issues that could cause you to stop your entire life don't just suddenly pop up
Not saying that is what happened here, but they absolutely do. My cousin got diagnosed with stage 4 cancer recently with no prior warning and it fucked him up real bad.

>>112341932
>which is why there have been a few people who knew that they passed the auditions but won't be getting their gen3 model.
There never were auditions. They pushed them back and never held them. People are just talking bullshit.
> They likely will be using any additional merchandise, phones, logos, trademarks and etc to pay off debts.
If they had that much debt, handing over talent IPs for free would be a crime.

No... not again... I miss Riifu.
https://files.catbox.moe/ghoyr6.mp4

>>112342032
https://youtu.be/wKBUcGGvbto

>>112338131
Wow these are not very good...

>>112342131
Most of them are fine. Third one looks stupid. Clussy looks fire.

Riifu...

>>112341990
It depends. What she did right now was dissolve the company. And the next couple of days she will likely file for a chapter 7 and say that the company is bankrupt. What will happen then is that she will talk about how the company violated the contracts of the girls who were in it because they did not fulfill the obligation of providing them with employment, representation, or support for the entirety of a year like the contract stated and the girls were given the IPs as compensation and thus waived the right to sue.
Assets, trademarks, and the rest of the models and rigs will be liquidated.

>>112342427
>And the next couple of days she will likely file for a chapter 7 and say that the company is bankrupt.
You are aware that the UK has a different legal system, yes?
Also, that is a lot of making shit up dude.

Did any of them do JOI, POT and SPH content? Chuuba cumplay with "now eat it" segments are probably among society’s biggest needs

I haven't been paying that much attention to them but they always seemed rather successful to me, what happened to turn things around so fast?

>>112342559
Stronny has a health issue and can't run it anymore, and the agency is so lean that without her nothing runs.

>>112342624
Well, that sucks I guess. Can't imagine it was fun for her to be in that position before either if she was such a load-bearing member of the company. Hope she was at least well compensated for it.

look on the bright side, cucklings.
now she's got all the time to sit in the groomcord with austin ben and alex, they'll take good care of her, while you pay up

>>112342503
The uk has a similar system called Creditors’ Voluntary Liquidation. Same shit different name. She says the company is broke and liquidates everything that remains but beforehand she'll send out a Settlement/Compromise Agreement which the talent will sign and it'll say that the girls can't sue her for contract breach or any damages and in exchange they get the model.

>>112342710
VAllure is an australian company

>>112342710
That still assumes your fantasy of the company being dead broke and deep in debt would have to be true. There is no sign that it is. Yeah, they didn't make much money. They also didn't spend much money, and even if the calculations for gen3 costs were wildly wrong, stronny could've and would've easily covered that out of pocket. We're not talking about millions here.
The much easier timeline goes something like this:
>company runs fine, gen3 ready
>auditions delayed because stronny breaks down
>diagnosis is no improvement in the short term, stronny can't run the company anymore
>doesn't trust anyone else with it, decides to shut it down, gifts the talent the IP because she doesn't answer to anymore
>sells gen3 designs to recoup cost because no auditions ever happen
>company closed, that's it

>>112339880
Mercy's 100% gone. She hated the NSFW work, was pissed all the time, and had a big doomer member stream last month

>>112340822
>The company abruptly shut down HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY WEREN'T PROFITABLE?
>But but but they gave them the assets that were already created and paid for why would they do that

you have to be an actual retard

>>112335193
>>patreon (no longer bans NSFW stuff and they said they regret ever doing so)
really? they backed down? they were making more money out of nsfw stuff than they thought kek

Good fucking riddance immy and shibi were shit at what they were doing and need to kill themselves. Azura needed more love.

>>112342931
You will be shocked to hear that sometimes companies are being closed for reasons other than bankruptcy.

>>112334720
turns out a 80% cut for the talent or whatever they had isn't profitable! who would've thought

>>112342810
Thanks for reminding me to just go ahead and archive all of her works off Patreon.
I like Mercy her taste in games and VNs were based, but I've no idea why she joined the whore companies for omega whores. For a lewd company with four lolis and several girls kink teirlist with fucked up fetishes at the top Vallure was painfully Vanilla, and you could still feel Mercy was uncomfortable in the space. She'll pack it up, maybe rebrand, but this life was never for her.

>>112334720
Oh no, not the whores

>>112342729
Even if it were, if it's a first world country outside of asia they all basically have the same shit. You declare a form of bankruptcy and have people agree not to sue you in exchange for a breach of contract (like not fulfilling the previous obligations mentioned for the one year contract) >>112342774
Also
>didn't spend much money
Lmao
>Design artist for models: 1500-3000
>Rigger: 2000-5000
>Assets
>Marketing costs
>Promotion
>New iPhones
>Debut song and all the stuff that comes with that
When you add all of that shit up it's super expensive. With a rather conservative estimate I'm going to say they would have had to have earned a minimum of 500k to break even and seeing as the most popular girl didn't even make $10k from supas it's pretty unlikely the rest made anywhere close to enough to be profitable

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>>112334838
Da hells The Box

>>112342810
Oh yea Mercy said long ago she thought ASMR was fucking lame too which is why she almost never did it.

She made up excuses like saying her parents being around was the reason she never did it or was late on her NSFW stuff, but the real thing was she never wanted to do it in the first place.

Any vallure knowers know why Stronny didn't post anything on youtube for over a month?

>>112343626
we don't really know much other her getting admitted to the hospital and taking a health break. she's a known workaholic and was probably working herself to death.

>>112334720
I wonder how long before the talents leak how bad it actually was working in this company

I give it 3 months

>>112343684
If there was anything to tell we would have gotten it from Willo already

>>112336463
Vtubing is essentially porn with zero stigma or downsides, without the subject having to do anything clearly gross or demeaning, but for the end audience its a form of porn. The entire reason the market for male vtubers is pitiful compared to female ones is because men find this hotter and cuter(in a sexual sense) than women do.

I'm not taking away from the fact that many vtubers are good streamers who bring various forms of talent to it, but the function of that stuff for 95 percent of the audience is like how Romans had very high status prostitutes who were cultured and could engage in deep conversation and play instruments and shit. They were renowned and considered valuable because they weren't just prostitutes, they were also fun to hang out with for hours and built up to it. Male sexuality isn't all about the body, personality does come into it even with strangers, and so the ostensibly non sexual parts of this are really just an emotional, soft extension of the functionally pornographic foundation.

>>112334720
KWAB

>>112334720
sorry to your chuubas

>>112343750
she wasnt there long enough to even know

>>112342032
God what a trainwreck of a generation that riifu debuted with

>>112343456
I can assure you they did not spend that much. That's the cost if you want the top artists and riggers. They did not hire the best.

>>112343750
>>112343966
my first guess is Icey. she's had a rough start in vallure and afaik did not enjoy her time there

>>112338482
>NOOOOOOOOO THEY NEED TO DIE FOR MAKING FUN OF HECKING WHOLESOME NIGGERINOS AND OUR GREATEST ALLIES
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODSSSSSSSSSSS

>>112343807
And a bunch of vtubers do real porn now too so vtubing isn't special at all in any way

>>112343750
Apparently there's rumors of leaked documents like the contract already

>>112343684
We know there is a Ceru, Mara, Stronny clique based on Mara and Ceru's proximity and Stronny and Ceru's PL experience so anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt.
But I'm betting the dirt is going to come from a Gen 1 member, likely Mercy on account of being the black sheep and if not her then Icey out of feelings of betrayal over it ending.

>>112336411
Honks was denpafish btw

>>112336411
Man, I know I would've loved most of those.
Hope they reveal the designs at least

>>112336482
>>112336252
That sucks. She seemed like a nice girl so I hope she gets better.
Real shame since the corpo itself seemed ok.

>>112338131
Fuck, all of those designs are hot as hell. Real shame.

I liked the Vallure girls. Shibi was kind to my oshi and Immy had a nice fat butt. Plus Sinthya was an absolute pawg.

>Shibi, Azura, Mercy, Ceru, Quetzu have given names of affection to their former company members in the associated channels section on their youtube pages
>Immy, Icey, Phyla, Synthya, Maru have not changed anything
>Stronny has purged them all
Grim

>>112344496
Yea Stronny seemed done with this shit. It's why she immediately fucked off to her new discord after the announcement.

>>112344496
seems like the biggest menhera was the chief bitch all along

>>112343626
Overworked herself so hard she ended up in the ER. Doctor strictly told her she vastly needed to de stress her life or it could happen again. Her dad flew out from Scotland to take care of her and since dropped her workload to the bare minimum to get by while she recovers.

>>112338131
Wow it's all the exact same thing repeated 6 times in a row

>>112344225
Mercy has been complaining about Vallure for months but her complaints are mainly centered around ASMR and NSFW stuff but she's a dumb bitch for joining lewd vtuber company and deciding she didn't want to do lewd stuff or ASMR but unlike Willow she didn't have the balls to actually quit because of it. She also very clearly the black sheep of Gen 1.

Knew one of the managers. Apparently the girls were really behind and bad at keeping to an upload schedule.

>>112344848
>She also very clearly the black sheep of Gen 1.
I barely watched her due to timezones. How come? I know she barely collabed due to her motion sickness but that's all I know

>>112344901
Its like anon said she never really was down for what VAllure was about and kept the rest of the company at arms length.

>>112344052
Even on a lowball estimate it's several thousand dollars per debut when you count the iPhone, the marketing, the rigging, the art work, the promotions, the song and etc. Again, I think you need to look at how much the most popular girl made in the entirety of VAllure. We're looking at less than 8k in superchats. Even if we assume that she had maybe 200 members who all paid $5 a month for a year straight, VAllure made a whopping total of 2800< off her YouTube. Assuming that even if we assume she made an additional 30% of that income on patreon, taking patreons cuts into account we're looking at maybe 3k earned from Immy and that's being incredibly generous

>>112343807
Female weebs don't need the interactive element as badly as men do because they have semi-acceptable communities they enjoy their porn with already. Horny women into weeb shit can read and write fanfiction and look at 18+ fan art and talk about it with other fans. Many men write stuff like fanfiction off as being for girls, and posting on porn sites has a stigma to it, so they end up looking for an outlet for their fantasies and somewhere more "acceptable" to talk about them.

>>112345215
>We're looking at less than 8k in superchats.
Yeah, because everyone was using streamlabs so youtube won't get a cut

>>112335111
Ah so it was the jews again

>>112345215
Not taking a side in this argument, but its also important to note that this was Stronny's company so her personal income could technically be reinvested into the company if need be.
Still with her being sick that not very useful.

>>112345340
which is really funny because stronny was one of their best pets despite her hating on them
>anti natalist
>commie
>anti racism
>atheist
she pretty much agrees with them on every point, except she wants to kill them. an unwilling asset so to speak

>>112335181
What fellow Vtubers? That tranny bitch that complained about not getting hired?

Pretty much all the indies didn't have anything but kind words for them.

>>112335181
okay ana valens lol

>>112345337
Okay so let's double that and say that Immy somehow made double the amount of money based on streamlabs
She still earned 6k or less for the company. The most popular girl in the company made under 10k for the company the entire time she was in. Considering how half of the girls weren't all that active in either streaming or patreon, I would be surprised if Gen 2 even made 1.5k altogether for the company

>>112342536
Icey does on her patreon

>>112346031
The only problem with your calculation is that Immy was able to live alone off her income, doing fulltime youtubing. And Mara also made enough to quit her job. So there's gotta be enough money coming in for that.

>>112346149
Sure but VAllure took a tiny cut, 20% off of streamlabs/elements YouTube, patreon and twitch with 0% from merch and fansly
Not exactly hard to see how these girls could afford to go full time while VAllure still didn't make enough to pay for itself. Like I've said from the beginning, all these companies that brag about their generous cuts toward the talent never seem to realize that the corpo cuts exist for a reason.

>>112346235
If you consider that Stronny was effectively unpaid because she took her money from her own income, and that gen1 was already paid off from debut from her initial investment, and that they offered very little in terms of services for the talents, I don't see why it'd be impossible for them to operate at 20%. I seriously think you're just wrong about the available cashflow.

>>112346235
>>112346316
I know I'm being a middle ground person here but "Stronny got sick" and "They ran out of money" are both touching on the likely answer.
The low operating costs were enough to get by with Stronny managing everything herself, but it was never enough to actually flesh out the company as a proper company with redundancies and a financial cushion for when things went wrong.
So when the one two punch of spending for Gen 3 and Stronny getting sick with no other admin staff to support her and a lack of funding to get someone on the payroll, that was that.

>>112346316
Even if we assume that Stronny was funneling 50% of her money back into the company it's not exactly like she was earning hundreds of thousands. Her play board shows under 39k and even if we say she made half that through stream elements and like 10 thousand from fansly+patreon and had 250 members renewing at $5 for 12 months and another few thousand from merch
The company is still not operating at any sort of profit. It's operating at a massive loss that she alone is trying to cover for. Most of the girls in VAllure were making way less than either stronny or Immy and we'll assume the company paid for different outfits and models for the girls too, that's pretty expensive. This also doesn't take into account that since VAllure was operating out of the UK, they were taxed a minimum of 19%-25% on their annual net profits and as the CEO she would have been taxed for any money she made from the company too. Even if she invested some of her earnings into the company she's getting fucked by taxes.

Also it's probably worth looking into on whether or not VAllure paid for accountants because that's also an expense

>>112347504
The point is that they also didn't spend hundreds of thousands. You're overestimating expenses.
Also you can't have it both ways. Either they make no money, or they get fucked by taxes on profits.

>>112347469
No you're definitely right I'd imagine. But of course this again stems back to the company needing to take a larger cut. With a larger cut they'd have more money to spare and she'd likely be able to hire admin staff or someone to take over but looking at the stats it seems like stronny was likely investing a good portion of her own money back into the company in an attempt to keep it afloat. If she was unable to do that because she was no longer able to regularly put out content, there is nothing there.
>>112347550
You get taxed as a corporation no matter what. If VAllure was based out of the UK they'd be paying 19% in taxes annually if they made anywhere between £0-50,000 and each paycheck is also going to be taxed. This is the same for most countries. In places like Australia you have a minimum of a 25% tax even if you didn't make shit for money.

So end of day 1 the members who have actually done streams are Ceru, Mara, and Quetzu, with members that already have streams planed for tomorrow or the day after being Sinthya, and Shibi
Also no planned stream yet from Strony, Immy, Mercy, Icey, Azura, Phyla
So far from the three streams we have gotten Ceru and Mara are going to be moving forward as is with Quetzu wanting to gradually pivot into being a Spanish language Kick ASMRtist.
Also while their is talk of love between all of Gen 2, the post-breakup cliques that seem to be forming are Ceru, Mara, and Stronny, & Quetzu, Phyla, and Azura.
Overall Gen 2 seems to be a lot more engaged with the whole affair and none of them seem happy with it, but that's not surprising because Gen 1 went through the wringer of having multiple members deal with not fully getting what VAllure was before getting wrapped up in it and dealing with issues in part because of that Gen 2 never had to deal with.

>>112338131
Pink Oppai Loli

Who's got a link to an archive of Immys lewd asmrs I need to beat my dick to the racoon one

>>112338073
>>112342977
Shibi is an /asp/ie called Rinna which explains why she is obese and bad at streaming. All that thread has shat out is the worst slutchuuba, a literal meme male that's the company lolcow and Gumpai.

>>112334720
I'm beginning to think it was almost completely thanks to their e-whore centric business model. I've seen at least two of the girls state outright or imply they're immediately ceasing nsfw activities. Like they didn't know exactly what they were getting themselves into.

>>112350488
A lot more vtubers than you realize came from asp

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>>112340228
Nice "argument",SCHIZO.
Why don't you back it
up with a source?

And is your
source called;
"I MADE IT
THE FUCK UP"???!!!,...
Well?,...Is it?

Whatever.

Go crawl on back
to >>>/b/
where you rightfully belong,
you ill-brained,...pathetic,...toxic,..."KID-FUCKER"!,...
There,I said it.

Don't mess with the old people,you whippersnapper.

MAJIFUZAKENNAAAAA!
(DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH ME!)
ORRRRRAAAAA!

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>>112351078

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>>112351109

"Are You Scared??!!"

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>>112334720
If only she could read contracts

>>112350704
That's at least partly because youtube is winding up another erotic ASMR purge and everyone knows it, so they are hedging their bets.

>>112341570
Is there a working downloadable video?

>>112351249
Nta but they usually didn't do the super erotic stuff on YouTube it was on patreon and fansly and I think 3 of them so far said they're not going to do that anymore

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Take a look,everyone.

I made this(!) on
that imgflip website.

And the top image
reminds me of the
gullible,SALTY,parasocial,
schizophrenic,and toxic
so-called "VTuber fans".

They are not actual "VTuber fans".
They are living,breathing,INTERNET TROLLS,
who should have been PERMA-BANNED from
The Internet.

Please trust me. "Internet troll" sounds
a lot more common sense making,and
much more logical than "tourist".

You people don't even know what
a tourist is,and what it does,either!
YOU ALL KNOW NOTHING!
YOU IDIOTS!!!

Freaking schizophrenic INTERNET TROLLS!,...All of you.
YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME FUCKING SICK!

>>112334720
Nice. Less cancer in the industry is a good thing.

>>112335181
Unicorns aren't interested in literal whores.

Is Shibi going to go back to fleshposting sucking her boyfriend's dick and will Icey open back up her onlyfans so we can watch her blasting her little slavic pussy?

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>>112351837
>>112351870

Try talking trash about
"RealCamana",the FORMER
C-E-O of the now-defunct
and DEAD VTuber agency,Luminara.
There is a place in HELL saved
for THAT jackass for what it did.

>>112344848
QRD on those toe being short sighted prudes?

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>>112351870
Be quiet,troll.

>>112351908
Don't be trolling.

>>112351927
No more trolling for you!


Online trolling is so NOT totally cool.

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Don't feed the Internet trolls.

Do not reply,and do not engage.

Block.
Report.
Ignore.
And move on.

Only YOU can,....
Make The Internet Great Again.

Oh no, where will I get shit quality ASMR now?

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Mods.
Kill this thread now.

And please
PERMA-BAN
this(!) idiot. NOW.
>>112334720


Thanks.

>>112338253
Bingo. Even worse when they originally advertised themselves as an AVtuber corp but all we got were some shitty scripted audios behind a paywall. When they finally did start up fanslys their streams weren't near the quality as other basic bitch indies either. Just disappointing all around desu

>>112352248
this
>call yourself a whorecorp
>not allowed to show nipples or any of your holes or even gooning
>in reality its just the most softcore gravure idol

>>112347504
Never invest you retard. Literally everything you have said is based on wrong assumptions.

>>112336516
Fakest shit ever

Be honest guys, were there ever any good talents from this agency?

>>112352374
I like Phyla but mostly because shes a actual whore. Stronny should've found more like her

>>112352332
>i-its all wrong!!!
>there's no possible way that a company that didn't have a single girl able to make 50k in supas could have possibly been doing poorly!!
That's some pretty big cope. Go ahead and tell me what I got wrong.

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lol

>>112350488
i hope she gets off the internet. shibi really was trash.

>>112352374
Mercy was a bad whore but a good chuuba. Plays a lot of really interesting games like old fmv and adventure stuff

>>112335107
Fuck knows. Like 4+ years ago she was gonna quit at the end of the year for health reasons and write up a playbook for anyone else who wanted to use her strats, and then she just never stopped for some reason (she may have said why, but I never saw).

>>112341484
Anon you could literally have a stroke before you finish reading this comment without ever realizing there was anything wrong and be stuck in a chair for the rest of your life unable to speak.

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Almost 2 weeks since this banger post dropped.

>>112352374
Quetsu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilqZPg2qalk

>>112353455
Eh sure I'll take back what I said about sudden medical shit not happening but what I'll point out is that Stronny isn't stopping content according to her and that several posts itt talk about how she's had these issues for a while and even has been on hiatus for the past while because of said issues.
Like it was discussed earlier, chances are she's gonna reduce her presence online and without her injecting her own money into the company it would have been bound for failure and she likely couldn't afford to pay medical bills and hire people to run the company in her absence.

>>112353460
I don't see why anyone would think of grudgeposting them. They were inoffensive. They haven't killed anyone's cat. They're not NijiEN.

>>112353460
He isnt wrong though? The girls are making bank.

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To be honest, I'm not even sure it's money-related. They don't pay salaries and it's a pretty low-key operation overall - do they even have any obligatory outgoings? If they were short on cash, couldn't Stronny just put a hold on funding stuff until they had built their war chest back up?
Isn't it more likely that Stronny couldn't/wouldn't run it by herself anymore and, because Vallure is her baby, she'd rather Old Yeller it than have someone else run it?

>>112352468
You are taking one irrelevent value (superchats) and basing the entire theory on it.
You dont know a think and have not even mentioned basic shit like gen 2 being funded largely by Stronnys donothon.
I am sure your mom told you that you are the smartest monkey in your village but the truth is you are barely sapient, and I will not waste anymore time on you.

>>112354871
Stronny wanted to fund her futa penis and impregnate all the girls but some of the girls had a issue with it

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I hope Stronny goes back to making videos with her face in them. I know she talked on Twitter that she wasn't very confident in her looks, but I always thought she looks good and I still enjoy all the old videos and streams of her I have saved.

>>112336303
Stronny absolutely made more in her PLs, that's where she got all the fuck-you money to make Vallure to begin with. She could have retired five times over by now if she wanted. This is why I don't buy the idea that the company went 'broke', from the start the entire thing was an absurdly rich woman's hobby project, not an actual for-profit venture.

>>112352248

Absolute trvth nvke. I also find great enjoyment when a whore bites the dust in one way or the other.

looks like stronny is the one who became a percentage after all kek

>>112334720
>E-whores don't actually earn millions
Saars...

>>112336222
real talent first vtuber agencies have never been tried

>>112344848
Mercy wanted to be able to play Eroge so her lewd content was going to be primarily that but then due to reasons I can't fully remember wasn't allowed to.

>>112355911
Not now tranny.

>>112334720
RIP /whorepo/

>>112336113
From what I remember the company couldn't really make money off of a lot of NSFW stuff due to having to navigate through various laws surrounding sex work

>>112336936
Last I heard Icey was having issues with making NSFW material because she's a Ukrainian war refugee and her documents were left behind when she fled

>>112336463
The idubbbz of vtubing.

>>112338253
>>112352248
This. Not only were they too cowardly to do anything remotely hardcore, they outright taunted people who wanted something harder. Good riddance.

>>112336113
>>112336354
>>112336848
>>112336924
>Patreon
Company took a 0% cut from all patreon and money
This is wrong. They took 20% from patreon and youtube money
>Fansly
Company took a 0% cut from all fansly money
>Merch
Company took a 0% cut from all merch
You got 2 / 3 right.
>>112336222
Wasn't the money that caused the collapse. They do or I suppose did better than phase for money.
All of the vallure girls moved out and quit their jobs to do VTubing full time.

>>112352248
>>112338253
>>112352277
>>112355779
>>112357291
>>112340083
How did they think this was a good idea? Did they really expect to keep blue balling people with ASMR, thinking that would hold peoples attention for an extended period of time?
There's no shot that was ever going to happen.

For a 'whoretuber' company they definitely didn't deliver.

>>112351870
...But you guys like Hololive girls?