>>112352069
it would be better for some girls, worse for other.
the problem is that some girls enter when they want/can, that would make hard to design a story that involves all of them.

personally i think any is fine.

yea, all the strong leads are gone so they need some guidance

>>112352069
What the fuck? Is she Lygger's onahole? That's the opposite of what everyone asked for.

>>112352126
>doesn't know
Lygger dropped Festival and is now a pebble.

>>112352069
Fuck énrico and Fuck ligger
Waste of talent and fan's time, and company resources

>>112352069
I think the things the girls come up with are the only parts worth a damn, I do not give a fuck about the "main plot"
I agree with IRyS that instead of being every day it should be one or two days a week spread over multiple weeks

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>>112352069
Naw. They should go in the opposite direction, and neither make a concrete stroy, nor let the girls make shit up. Just acknowledge the character design as cool visuals, and leave it at that.

Pretending to actually be a rock, vampire, tree, mantaray, Demon from the jello dimension, etc is the most cringe part of vtubing. It's fine to have those designs, but going too far with the LARP is annoying.

>I'm gonna make my Skyrim horse clip over the mountain as a shortcut. Hey, look at that rock on the mountain! That's just like me, and you guys too cause all of my fans are also rocks. Yay, rocks! We're rocks!

I don't care for it.

>>112352069
No. Enreco s1 was good because it was mostly improvised; the girls making shit up on the spot and having fun with it, and Cover needs to adapt the main story to what they are doing without being overly intrusive

>>112352069
Yes. The reason? Women.

>>112352069
Look at Botan's current Minecraft event. It's better of storylines or moments emerge from the actions of the talents and the interactions between them because they're more memorable than some fake and gay shit some script writer made up.

>>112352069
Grim day for pebbles. Lyger probably fucked her if she's out there defending him like this

>>112352069
The free form parts were the best.
But if they wanted a static guided part then they should have actually fucking guided it.
You need to tell people about the major plot points in advance.

>>112352069
>live streamers
>completely scripted railroaded content
I might as well just watch an anime with good story writing and voice acting instead. The whole point of streaming is to watch people do interesting things spontaneously.

>>112352212
i feel like that would ruin the whole flow of it

>>112352069
I think it should just be one or the other.
Let them make up their own stories and happenings OR railroad them directly.
The current half this half that state is just bad. It feels like back when Critical Role became popular and every DM thought they were Matt Mercer and tried to copy his very open style of dungeon mastering, but failing horribly.

She's right for once, because EN holos have the personality of a terminally online 10 year old and therefor can't be creative to begin with...

>>112352069
>there should be a more concrete plan/story to railroad everyone instead of letting the girls just make shit up and do whatever they want
I mean that's effectively how ENreco already works tbhdesu
It has it's own plot/story that moves parallel and independently of what the girls are doing with their improv RP.....which is kinda of a bad thing because it means the roleplay in this roleplaying event has zero effect on the world they're playing their roles in

>>112352069
yes
women shoudnt have any freedom at all

>>112352069
eh, they definitely need to communicate things more at the very least. even the gta rps often communicate things outside of streams, not this just kind of wing it and completely sideline half of what others are doing. also does not help that they don't have good tools for making something interesting on the fly, like the jobs/roles are mostly ignored aside from doing the random quests because there's nothing else for them to do besides the main stuff.

>>112352069
I think the entire thing should be thrown in the trash where it belongs along with HoloEN: b-lister edition.

>>112352164
Ludokano will fight him for supremacy

>>112352069
There should be a few major events planned ahead of time but you shouldn't need an overall plot, no.
You need big group events so that people actually meet up and do stuff and they don't just go off mining by themselves all week.

>>112352069
Ditch EnReco entirely. It was never good. Tolerable at best

>>112352069
>Do you agree?
Maybe about needing a more concrete plan and better story. But forcefully railroading everyone removes all the random kino moments that happen from the girls just fucking around and improv. Also, watch people start trying to defend the Lyger fag now, just because Biboo is on his side.

>>112352212
irys does not give a fuck same as every enreco. she is busy yes but if she did gaf she could set time aside. she doesn't gaf so she should stfu

>>112352893
Enreco is simply not worth her time, she doesn't gain anything from it and she doesn't like it, so might as well

>>112352120
If Kronii just agreed to be queen, instead of running away, she could hard carry the final act.

>>112352447
go fuck yourself Donie

>>112352069
That may work for advent, but not for the rest of en. En women back then could only unite under watson, without her no one care about unity anymore

>>112352069
Yes. Also, they should ban Shiori.

>>112352069
That's... completely reasonable though?
Any DM knows that you need a strong central theme because letting everyone just do whatever the fuck turns into a catherding shitshow.

That said, they need a MUCH better DM than Lygger because fucking hell everything about his scenario is grabage. I don't know who he sucked off for the job but he doesn't deserve it.

>>112352069
>most of us suck at roleplaying so we need better hand holding and prompt reading

>>112352212
She only said that because she's too lazy to stream more than twice a week at most

>>112352069
They don't have checkpoints in the story that needs to take place?

Usually how it works in a DnD game is that you suggest personal storylines to the DM before the session along with your character sheet... That method usually works fine, but they basically did the exact opposite. Seriously, none of Cover's 500+ employees have ever played a DnD game?

>>112352281
JP have an Discord server and talk about how things should turn out in general. They don't just wing it

A lot of the girls seem to have issues with the plot this season.

>>112352069
I'd agree with it in principle for most roleplaying games, but the problem here is that only a few Holos can actually 'act' and basically none of them are into RPGs. Most Holo talents are the same entitled suburban whores who laughed at you in high school for playing Magic the Gathering and later went woke in university because they were too stupid to pass math. And it doesn't help that they still have to act the part of their vtuber identities during the event so they're basically playing a role within a role.

Honestly, I don't think there is a way for a Holo RP session to work. Cover should have just let them play minecraft for real.

>>112352212
That's the worst idea i have heard. The events are short for a good reason. Viewers will lose interest at week 3. The girls won't remember what they did 2 weeks before

>Biboo thinks
That's where things went wrong. Nobody watches Biboo for her intellect.

>>112352069
kek
Botan's events give the members total freedom. Behind the scenes, it's just Botan and Dozle Corp tweaking the rules

>>112354088
They are all asians or trannies, so apparently no.

We really need to look back at HoloARK, which basically shaped what Hololive is today. The answer is right there. Simply put, Biboo is way off base. ENReco’s story and setting are just way too scripted. Besides, management’s only real reason for doing this project in Minecraft is to sell merch. Viewers would honestly be way happier if the EN members just put together a few collab events on their own.

>>112352069
>Biboo thinks

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>>112352069
She is right in a way. You need some planning to pull off the plots that aren't just cooked up on the fly. The girls need to be on board for example to meet Shiori at the picnic and not run off when Shiori reveals her plan. The girls coming in and out when they want and missing days hurts a lot of the long term prep stuff.

At the same time you lose the surprise element and push the creativity down of the other members that want to do something else. The other talents are naturally going to be loud when together because so many things are happening with other plots coming together and they have to try to entertain their chat so Shiori is going to get overwhelm when trying to get everyone to do stuff.

You got to find a balance, which the girls did for the most part (ex: CC calling Nerissa to confirm what she is suppose to forget while balancing her story; Nerissa helping Tam get into the Dungeon despite being a villain) until the last day that is.

>>112352069
Unironically how many Holo talents do you think have actually played DnD? Of all their 80+ talents, I think it's just Mori and Ame, who's dead now.
Roleplaying games aren't made in the spirit of cozyslop so the vast majority of the talents would have no idea what to do.

>>112354465
You can’t artificially force a situation where people game together until dawn, get joined by others waking up, and keep playing for days. Even in JP right now, that's impossible to pull off. If you're running it as a business, it has to be reproducible.

>>112354588
Ollie would absolutely play DnD but I think they execute you for owning it in ID.

You can't really put everything in one week.
Pick two: grind, roleplay, script

I am tired of minecraft sloppa.

>>112354588
you don't need DnD for roleplaying. Watch some JPs how they play their rpgs and immerse into the game while most of EN is just playing the game not even following the plot

>>112354588
Raora and ERB played DnD
I think even Gigi.
Cecilia is too normie for that

>>112355276
Ok, I'll bite. Anyone in particular? Seems like forever since the last time I saw a JP playing something unrelated to Mario.

ENreco needed a DM for the plot and some one doing BTS work to help the girls actually communicate. a number have Ideas but it is clear they aren't communicating with each other off stream. ERB and Nerissa are some of the only one's to talk while their plot is banal boring doomed yuri. It is at least consistent. Shiori got excited for the Shakira thing because Kiara involved multiple members and got others on board, only for no one to talk after day one so it fell a part and took to much time.

>>112352212
at most a two day break could help, anything more and most of EN forget what they were doing or what had happened, and you just waste streams catching up. if the started on a Thursday-Friday do 2 days and than take one or two day break than do the rest of the event that could work. anything more than that and viewers stop watching and girls forget.

>>112352069
In the sense that this railroading appears organic or natural sure, but if it's
>WE HAVE RECEIVED A PROPHECY LAST NIGHT, X IS THE BIG BAD, TOM & JERRY NOW
That's bullshit.
If it's decided that a conflict will erupt between two groups (say Advent & adjacent and Anti-Advent) then there should be a discussion on the broader way of how it's gonna go down and around which time. The talents don't need to know how Advent will initiate, they just need to know that it'll happen.
There should also be some consideration for talents that don't really want to participate much and have some planned arcs (be it NPC like, sacrificial pawn to advance the story, etc) as well as clear roles for those closer to a MC.
>>112354251
Debatable. I'm sure there are viewers who lose interest when they miss a few days due to personal or professional reasons and now their only way to somewhat catch up are clippers. With a bigger span between episodes, from the POV of the admin team you can change the framework to suit the talents' needs, and from the POV of a viewer you might have normal non-RP streams.
A personal anecdote is JJBA, I watched all the parts back to back before part 5 was even announced and the experience of having weekly discussions about each episode was fun. Compared to part 6 where you get Netflix batches to the point that I didn't even finish it past the initial 12 episode batch and now part 7. Or perhaps it's a skill issue due to me or getting older.
Talents not remembering or at least having a manager / fan summarizing everything that happened is another skill issue.

It's really ironic how the problems of Season 2 / Chapter 2 were the lack of direction and how long it was meanwhile it's the opposite for Season 3 / Chapter 3 with the exception of "main lore" that lacked direction and even went against the wishes of some talents. It should go for as long as it's needed whether it takes 5 days, 8 days or more, it's not like there are perms for it. Have it happen live every Friday-Saturday once a week or every other week.

>>112354142
EN is the only branch that doesn't communicate about event/project. JP and ID are much more engaged in actually communicating and working together, EN is mostly silo's and "friends" groups.

>>112352069
Yes. There needs to be more coordination with main RP story behind the scenes on how to progress and get all the main characters to stay engaged with the story properly. Talents can do what they want outside of it, but without communications between talents on what the story would be, its hard to steer towards the story.

>>112352069
I don't know. The whole premise of Enreco is lame. The world and the mechanics and npcs are fine. I think they should just give them a premise and an end goal, give them multiple ways to win, timegate some things so someone who is Minecraft-obsessed doesn't do everything in one day, and see what happens.

>>112352069
Hopefully management listens to Nerissa and kills all writer faggots.
This lost child should be corrected before she causes more damage

>>112352069
thats how it was last year and it was dogshit. this year was how things should be, nobody was trying too hard and forcing shit like last year and this year was actually watchable because of it. less lore shit and no forced rp shit is the correct way.

>>112354465
EN will never be able to do something like holoArk, they are to inactive and bad at communicating for that to work. Just look at the Hytale server, if not for ID being included shit would of been dead by day 2. And no it being a Kiara thing isn't the main issue, as she has managed the Among us and wizard arena

>>112352069
Biboo wants everyone to WORK as hard as a ROCK does.

>>112352069
maybe

>>112352069

>>112352069
The problem is some want to roleplay, some just want to play Minecraft, and some don't want anything to do with it at all.

>JP member hosts a minecraft event
>20-30 people
>5 hours every day
>translate rules/manual into English in case some EN members want to play
>they don't

>EN management has to force EN members to play together in a minecraft event
>whine whine whine
>once a week please!


EN deserves to lose viewership. Lazy bitches.

>>112356977
The problem with Enreco is the same problem we had in 2022. Somehow some pathetic grooming faggot was hired to force some gay lore shit nobody cares about on everyone.

>>112364850
>Catalog
Ina is participating in this new one. Though I do believe she is the only one.

Shes right but more importantly the event needs to go on longer with sporadic events to progress the story. Shoving everything into a week is retarded and they should be allowed to just sand ox it up for longer to allow creativity and RP before being hamfisted into narrative storybeats.

>>112352069
is this about minecraft

is there a dramabait thread about mine craft