The hero of /vt/Cecilia was way out of line for telling him to fuck off.
>>112556162yeah he is based and did nothing wrongCC is a terrible person
holy basedI will now member CC
Bro's hobby is watching women play videogames and he acts like internet tough guy...
>>112556162I kneel.
>>112556162Based Cece fuck that guy. That shit would drove me up the wall if I were a streamer too
>>112556276I still think it’s always smarter to just quietly ban these people rather than engage with them.
>>112556162they're both acting like huge faggotsthis guy is clearly mentally ill and cc fucked up by refusing to ban him just because he gives her 5 bucks a month
>>112556296True but that just makes her even more based
don't know who this guy is or what he has to do with the kraut but he's based for this
>>112556339now this is based
Stop shitting up the catalog because you got spanked in public Jesus fucking Christ
>>112556162let it be known that they hated this man for speaking the uncomfortable truth when others hid behind comfortable lies. may history remember him more kindly.
don't care guy is a retard and isn't even superchatting his gay opinion so she should just ban him.
>>112556162Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Bad Streaming Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
>>112556299>>112556296It's deeper than that actually. He was a longtime fan that helped her with projects, and she replied to him frequently
>>112556582*I was a longtime fan
>>112556582It's funny that this kind of schizo will shit up threads talking about how they change after they make it big, they stop caring about their fans or whatever, but from the outside it looks more like someone stuck having to tolerate annoying cunts because she can't afford to lose anyone.She was faking it then, not now. Now she's finally free from having to pretend to like him. That's not changing who she is, she was simply wearing a mask before.
>>112556582No wonder he is so butthurt, he was grooming her since the indie days and now she's over him kek
Has he ever posted a positive comment?
>>112556673literally his most recently reply on twitter is praising her
>>112556673When she was an indie, yes. The moment she debuted in Hololive is the moment he started talking shit about her, yet like some weird tsundere fan he kept coming back and kept up his membership.
>>112556582>fanSounds more like a groomer if he's throwing a tantrum that he can't dictate her content.
>>112556339The most dangerous kind of schizo is the one that occasionally makes good points.
>>112556162he comes across as a jaded dude in his mid to late 30s who has nothing else going for him because he's made this shit his entire life. so, pretty much most of /vt/
>>112556582>>112556162What a pathetic loser. Why are some guys like this?
>>112556673His twitter replies are a rollercoaster
>>112556673Yeah back when she was an indie and he could groom herHe's just assblasted because he can't control her with 5 dollars a month anymore
>>112556673He's positive when she's doing things alone, anytime another talent is involved he spergs out.
>>112556772I had to go look myself and jfc>makes a comment shitting on her>immediately after makes a comment about how he loves her and is excited for w/e she's doing>another comment shitting on her>comments about how happy he is with her right after>repeatLiterally a fucking bipolar schizo
Reminder he did this same schizo shit with Amehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxj-mLdIGoQ
>>112556162this is the guy who invented "autofister" btw>>112555548
>>112556942No wonder he's so pissed. He got destroyed by the same thing that he helped create
>>112556865>>112556942holy unbridled eurocuck seething
>>112556162Fucking legend
>>112556942We live in a fucking simulation
>>112556942That's so fucking funny
>>112556673yes he created autofister
>>112556162Went after the poor guy for such an honest and humble comment. Why did she lash out at him?
>>112556942>Tries to groom a chuuba>Gets cucked by another chuuba when she makes the big time (Even makes a name for their ship)
*feels the aura*
>>112557742She went after him for years of schizo rants. It wasn't just for that one comment.
>the hero of /vt/>made his oshis notifications a living hell until she had to corpospeak tell him to kys
>>112556942aaaaaannnddd I just changed my mind completely. Fuck this guy for giving us the worst ship of Holo EN since TakaMori.
>>112556162Can you post CC telling him to fuck off ?
>You're not wrong, Roli. You're just an asshole.
>>112557911>>112557742
>>112557919Really though. If he wasn't such an ass with his comments nobody would be disagreeing with him. Alot of people already said they agreed with his points, he just came off like a like bitch boy while doing it and that's what put him in the wrong.
>>112557742can you imagine this guy being a saba fan?
>>112557983No people would still disagree, that's what the toxic positivity environment of Hololive EN is.
>>112557983Nah. Some of his comments were somewhat normal criticisms, but a lot were not. How he whined at Kiara for organizing a HoloEN New Year karaoke relay was completely unhinged, for example. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was what put his whining on CC's radar.
did you really need to make a thread here because you got BTFO?
>>112558081>HoloEN New Year karaokeWas that about the girls not streaming for new years since they'd just fill up the slot with the relay? If so he was right about that too.
nijisanji financial reports are outand boy is it grim for EN>>112557927it's no wonder they're making these CC threads to distract you
Literally just ban and block him instead of having a melty cc
>>112558142hello roli
>>112556942no he stole that from hololive global thread
>>112558423As is tradition.
>>112558423oldest mention of "autofister" in the archives talks about twitterfags using it
>>112558548wrong, see >>112558423
>>112558113*five fucking threads
>>112556162People like this are just attention whores at the end of the day. A lot of people absolutely agree with everything he says but we all know you have to be polite otherwise no matter how great your points are people will prioritize their hurt feefees and tell you to fuck off. Just fucking let the numbers do the talking. Every single talent is a numberfag, its the nature of corpo vtubing. Once enough people stop engaging with the content it gets canned eventually. Look at Holostars for example
>>112558596>seethe comment was replying to the one you are pointing him to my retarded friend
women are all entitled bitches and none of them deserve your love or attention
collab seethers are really something are this retard doesn't understand Hololive is not gameslop shithole. The talents are busy with actually important stuff
>>112557742Yeah, this retard deserves to be banned. These kind of retards just couldn't adapt from the 2view-fan mindset and realize that a lot of Holo members want to be more than just an average popular streamer
>>112558847holodrones are really somethingthey barely even speak english and don't understand that a streamer's job is to.... stream
>>112558893Yeah, and Hololive members aren't just "streamers'. They are talents, entertainers or virtual idols. The ship has sailed long ago so unless you find a way to time travel back to 2018-2019, that's how it is now.
>>112558893And they not streamers, lil retard. Keep seething and coping about browns or something forever lol
Roli is really something ain't he?
>This is not a dogpile callout post so I don't expect you to answer or defend yourself. It's okay to just quietly make a decision.It WAS a dogpile callout post though.
>>112558892Their whole job is playing shit games because of perms, covers of nip shit because of perms, and yuri shipshit. He's a retard for trying to save his oahi after she willingly went to the soul dealth corporation. She doesn't deserve anyone once she burns out and tries to springboard back into an indie. She's done and told her fans to fuck off.
>>112558987>>112556865>went schizo on multiple talentsThis guy seems like a whiny faggot
>>112559029Roli..
>>112559029Wrong thread bud. /grun/ is down that way, you residential schizo.
>>112559029LMFAOAbsolute clown.
>>112558893they're not streamers they're idols
>>112556162The only thing constant between these schizos that you notice, is the blatant manipulator tactics they employ every single time. It's clear these people are fucking awful and would definitely be the types who abuse their spouse/loved ones(if they had any).
>>1125568652021... This faggot didn't evolve a single braincell in 5 years, still a virgin too
>>112558893The thing I'll never understand about people who say this is that there are literally 10000 vtubers out there who do nothing but stream. Nothing is stopping you from watching them, but you instead bitch at the streamers who are trying to do something special and unique that they wouldn't be able to do outside of holo. Just admit that you're insecure and you think they're better which is why you cope about muh stream hours.
>>112559352True, but it is that mentality that has made the indie scene boom while Holo slowly bleeds out.
>>112559294Vtubers are whores by viture. Some definitely more than others, but they all beg for these type of viewers. That's why it's some hypocritical holier than thou get some help bullshit when they think they're being cute to tell a viewer they cultivated that they are being unreasonable.
>>112559375If that were the cause all the liggers would be celebrating the fact that Holos do projects instead of complaining about it. It would literally be a win-win for both sides, Holos get rid of these annoying whiners and Indies get their stream hours. But of course that's not the case because one side feels deeply inferior
>>112559388"liggers" refer to indie streamers, where "liggermen" refer to the posters.When it comes to Anonymous, they like to proudly proclaim that their decision is the right one, and will try to take any opportunity to say "SEE, I WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL" instead of minding their own business. Such is their way, sadly.
>>112556162I'm sorry op . I hope you get better and stop being a faggot. You should stop samefagging as well.
>>112559376Hi Roli
>>112556162If I was a vtuber I'd ban him a long time ago. He seems like a little whiney bitch and instead of moving on and finding something else, he just stays to keep bitching.Some fans are completely mentally ill. They pride themselves on being "someone" in the community and think they can turn into little control freaks telling talents what can or cannot do.>>112556633I find it funny that for holo fans, no antis apparently exist. Only when a guy openly does it like that, they are FORCED to say it is one of their own antis. Otherwise they just keep deflecting to other corpos.
>>112556942bro shot himself on the foot
Based, ENReco is the kind of Omegatranny faggotry we tried to stop
>>112559662What are you talking about this guy is literally an indie watcher who antis holo because they took his precious indie away from him
>>112556162Annoying ass nigger.
>>112559662This retard literally antis holos because they used to be indies he liked and now collab with holos he dislikes.
>>112559821Wrong CC schizo. Roli never had a big problem with collabs in general. You're thinking of timestampschizo.
>>112559849No, he's right. Roli schizos about everything Holo-related: Merch, collabs, everything that's not solo zatsu/gaming streams. And the reason is very obvious if you know his and CC's history. He spent a lot of time and effort grooming CC during her PL and now is incredibly salty he lost all that influence (real or imagined) on her.
>>112559849Roli also shits himself over not having enough solo streams. Just not as much as our mommy's boy Kraya.
>>112556339fucking BASED!!!
>>112556339Lyger shouldn't be fired for coming up with and writing ENReco, he should be fired because he's a much bigger and more dangerous schizo then anyone who posts mean things on the internet.
>>112559933Is he also the norwegian boyfriend rrat too?
>>112556162>this is how fast you get switched up on by your oshi after she joins hololive Honestly really sad to see
>>112559029>saveAnon your very existence chases reasonable people away.
>>112560013He was right, the one he loved graduated and he was mad that CC wasn't Soya.
>>112559988he should be fire for both desuAlso never hire any discordfag or kike ever
>>112559998Roli is German.
>>112560047So is she and she ended up there suddenly
>>112560013>fastShe tolerated him for almost 3 years of schizo posting. She didn't even ban him, just gave a final warning because she recognized that he was an og
>>112556582>20 years ago>2023Another hag I see
>>112556162All dumbass twitter community leaders need to get a job
>>112556162JUST BAN THEM YOU RETARDED FOIDSDONT ARGUE. DONT EXPLAIN. DON'T ATTACK THEM JUST FUCKING BAN THEM.how are they so retarded to never learn any lessons ever holy shit women are such retards.Literally just ban and block and move on.
>>112560361Or you know, just stream.
>>112560361>spergs out with 0 context or knowledge
>>112560361>LISTEN TO ME A RANDOM RETARDED /VT/ POSTER IM VERY SMART AND KNOW ALL ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHICH I CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE BY BEING ON 4CHANLol. Lmao.
>>112556339I think he's right on this regard. He should probably move on, but he's totally correct on this point. I didn't watch anyone that week.
>>112556162>>112556865seems like a well deserved ban if you ask me
>>112556865the more you dig deeper the worse it gets
judging by how this faggot is, he should just be perma'd by the whole of hololive. never worth it having people like this all up in your shit.
>>112560638You ain't seen nothing yet
Roli is my FUARKING HERO!!!
>>112556339B-B-B-B-BAAAASEDULRABASED
>>112556865What was the political organization?
>>112560657Is he talking about a sponsored stream or something?
>>112560763Al Nusra front
>>112556582Wow and she just ignores the very true opinion of someone that she relied on so much? This should be her wake up call.You really need some blackened heart to make it into hololive these days.
idk which side is correct what is /our guy/ asmongold opinion on this?
>>112560657This dude talks like a fucking fag. I hope his ass gets permabanned.
>Half of EN can't even be bothered to stream 10 hours a week on average>"Heckin noerino! Don't say my qt3.14 girlfriend is being lazy!!!!!"I hate you shit eaters so much. Dude's a schizo and has some real fucking issues, but EN is being lazy as fuck.
>>112556162pathetic schizo lol
The guy probably just needs to quit her. Going from indie to a souless corp is a hard transition for a viewer. He needs to move on if he can't accept it.
>>112561130True
>>112561296It's obvious the guy is jealous as fuck that he has to share her with a much larger audience that demands more of her attention than he does now and he's not ok with that, as given by all the shitty-ness he has towards her actual streams too. I just hate that this fucker will be the one brigaded around as an example of anyone who says they should stream more.
>holobwownies BTFO'd by their own liverslove to see it
>>112561391That retard is a ligger who can't accept that she's in hololive now
>>112561391>btfoing their own fansone of the few things niji actually did better
>>112561419>n-not a true scottsman
It's obvious Roli is pissed that he's been called out and exposed for being a shit stain to other girls. >>112558987>>112556865>>112560657At this point it's not even criticism, he's just a pathetic faggot that has a melty when a girl tells him to fuck off.
>>112561264I think that post was a wakeup call for a lot of people to move on from CC
>>112560031ESL-chama
>>112561391>BTFO'd by their own liverspicrel called you guys cucks on live and laughed about it
>>112560396Fuck off roli
>>112561475I can't wait to see absolutely nothing change because even this retard won't be able to stop coming to streams until he's actually banned.And even then he'll still watch.
>>112561475Roli, we know you'll still watch her and tweet at her
>>112556162>The hero of /vt/>a deranged schizosounds about right
>>112556339I kneel
Roli is obsessed with CC to the point I think he's inlove with her and he's just too tsun to admit it.
You can't be that much of an obvious jackass if you want a girl to change. You gotta be extremely kind & praise them a lot, and then add "I would love it if you did [this]", "hopefully next time you can do [that]", etc. There's an art to it. You can't just be a raving lunatic like this guy
>>112561498CC admitted in the very same post that she will stop streaming for projects bro, there will be no more streams that's the issue.
>>112556162Who is this faggot and why should I care
>>112556162all i see is beggar being butthurt
>>112561571What are you doing outside your /grün/ containment, Birgit?
>>112561349To be fair the guy is talking to Cece like he's a friend and to be fair if they were chill like, 2 years ago thats a reasonable expectation.The only way to really fix it in an amicable way for both parties is to liken it to talking to your friend while they're doing their wagie job. Just PM him in private, ask him for his suggestions/feedback and thank him.Doesn't mean you have to act on it.You zoomers (not you) are quick to call basic conversation schizo. You can talk to people normally on the internet. It's okay.
>>112561663Never once has anyone said something like>that's not what she sayswhich indicates that I'm right, it's always random ad hominem and stawman arguments
>>112556162>>112556339Nah he's just retarded and parrots every talking point like he's from /here/ and lives 24/7 in catalog.
>>112561671>Just PM him in private, ask him for his suggestions/feedback and thank him.Cover being Cover it wouldn't surprise me if the girls had to ask for permission to DM anyone outside of branchmates or if they had a blanket ban on DMing viewers.
>>112561716Because everyone can smell your schizo from a mile away and knows there's no point in engaging with any of your made up "arguments".
>>112561724You don't know anything about Cover if you honestly think that.Everything the girls say about Cover shows they have full freedom to do whatever they want, and especially on private accounts. The only thing they're not allowed to do is compete against their Cover identity.
>>112561739>made up argumentswhere are the streams? Oh yeah buried below "work"
>>112561724Its possible. I could see that being in place after Rushia. Probably a lot easier to keep tabs on/control but it doesn't feel healthy for the talent.
>>112560396Her crashout on roli is exactly because cover gives her too much work to "just stream""just stream" is the solution that she is not permitted to followCOVER MAKES HER FLY BACK AND FORTH FROM GERMANY EVERY FUCKING MONTHShe had dance lessons at 3 AM over skype because Cover only hires JP instructors on JP time.The only people with consistent streams themselves live in Japan.
>>112561807That's not Cover though. The talents can say no to anything they want to. This has been confirmed numerous times, even by CC herself.She says yes to too many things plus has her own personal projects (the Lag Train cover took 7-8 months to finish). Her workload being high is her own doing, and she likes it that way.
this dude makes Myron seem sane
If he was a newfag I'd understand it more but it's wild that someone who has been a fan since at least 2021 still sticks around in Hololive while only caring about streams, and exclusively solo streams. Go groom an indie, you're wasting your time in a time loop you chose to be stuck in.
>>112561860Not only can say no, they have to pay for dance lessons, Cover isn't paying for that. So they ask for it, can't even say you're too shy to say no or whatever.
>>112561860>The talents can say no to anything they want to.Gura and Fauna left because Cover was trying to force them to do idol shit and travel often. They'd still be around if Cover let them do whatever they want whenever they want.
>>112561871He didThen she joined holo
>>112561871I'd be deep in the sunk cost spiral too if my indie oshi who used to regularly reply to my comments goes big corpo and then progressively enshittifies.
>>112561895KEK, BTFO
>CC hates her fans and doesn't stream (4chan)>eww go away schizo>I hate you all and won't stream - Cecilia Immergreen>WOW so based!!
>>112561912>my indie oshiBoard is full of screencaps of him being a cunt to a bunch of different holos. His oshi is his ego.
>>112561889Gura left because she had been out on a 2 year long leave of absence and got the ultimatum to work or have her contract terms altered.Fauna left because they wouldn't let her go public with her marriage.Mumei was fired.None of them left because of idolshit.
>>112561934Roli, this isn't healthy..
>>112561934People who only care about streams should watch people whose only job is streaming.It's like making Konami your oshi in the PS4 generation and whining every time they do something that isn't releasing games. Why don't you oshi a game company instead?
>>112560657Jezas. Who the fuck goes holo to solostream, their models and community suck and perms are a thing; blue dorito implies diversifying activities in favor of unnecessary shit. If your "wife" applies, it's an expression of her will to stop babysitting the chat for days to come, her way to find enjoyment in life. CC is too kind for still not disposing of damaged goods
>>112556162what is it schizos hating enreco so much?every single containment breaker wears the "I HATE ENRECO" hat like it's a silver medalAnyway reminder that this guy posts in /grün/ like a thread celeb
>>112556162HOLY BASED. I can't believe someone said what we're all thinking. fucking enreco is shit. makes hololive unwatchable for weeks
>>112561964the only reason holocucks even care about thier IP disguised as a vtuber is because they streamed. You're not drunk on yagoos semen and too cucked to realize that them not streaming is fucking bad. This cope with>hurr durr they aren't streamersis the most cucked and spineless shit I'm reading and it's no wonder it can only come from a holocuck
Roli it's time to move on and let go. You look like a mindbroken faggot now and it's very sad.
>>112561759>Everything the girls say about Cover shows they have full freedom to do whatever they wantI used to think this too but then you find out shit like how some exec tried to strongarm Korone into lying to her fans to sell more tickets or them fucking up Marine's game project or Ina's work visa and you can't help but wonder if you're always hearing the full truth.For the sake of honesty I'm a starmin so I don't exactly have a good opinion of management but even when I was just a fan of the girls I had the feeling Cover was more underhanded than everyone assumed.
you permalost rolieternally btfo'dtime to commit sudoku
>>112560361>FoidsHello DN
>mindbreaks you
>>112561983It's funny how you think watching girls play videogames is a real hobby
>this much spamDamn she completely mindbroke this bitch.
>>112562031it's funny that you think consuming cover branded plastic is a real hobby. Kill yourself holocuck
>>112561889>Gura and Fauna left because Cover was trying to force them to do idol shit and travel often.Saba's content is better now that she streams as much as she wants.
>>112560657Who is he bitching about here?
>>112562045Damn
>>112561491Nta but I like this art.
>>112562045Did Gura ever come out and say she had chronic illness, or was it only when she became Saba did she publicly state it?
>>112562101Stop. I can only read so many based takes in 1 day.
>>112559988why on earth did cover think it was a good idea to hire this schizo stalker?
>>112561868>Myron seem saneHe wasn't. He was a lonely sperg who hated the stars for no reason. He was a Bloodraven anti and therefore also a Nerissa anti. I don't care that he was a day 1 or bought merch. He was wrong
>>112561671>bend the knee to entitled faggotry and give them special treatment with a private audience listening to them complain unfiltered Nah I'm good bro.
>>112556162Are 'people' like this Roli fellow deficient from birth or did something happen that made them turn out that way? A childhood sexual trauma or a brain aneurysm perhaps?
>>112561871I don't get the solo stream autism, but I do get wanting more streams while every EN outside of Nerissa (only because she barely streamed last year) is crushing their stream hours. Everyone is down 10-55% conpare to last year. For some it doesn't feel that bad because people like Biboo, Kiara, Mori, and GG streamed a lot last year. For others like CC, FWMC, and Bae it feels like there's almost NO content on the channel with how little effort to consistant streaming they put in. Not just with CC you see people asking 'Where are the streams?'. No one as autistic and insane as this guy posting like that, but there's people asking multiple talents when they'l stream next because they never fucking do.
>>112562142>for no reason
>>112562101This is totally correct, though and a lot of us complained about it.Nobody could overlap the relay so instead of getting ANY real streams that day it was just a crumb if your oshi singing two scuffed songs before getting shuffled off to a Shiori jumpscare.
>>112562162kissless virgin unc where the only positive interaction with a female was on a screen. Many such cases unfortunatly.
>>112562101Oh, this was this guy? I thought I remembered his name. Didn't CC stream on her own for NYE too?
>>112562162With how he latches onto female streamers so quickly and can instantly turn into an ape throwing his shit whenever he doesn't get his way, makes me think he has mommy issues and is using vtubers to fill the void. There is no way you melt down so hard all because a woman won't stop spending time with her female friend and hasn't been saying hi to you everyday.
>>112561971Grifter tactic 101: latch onto a popular topic/opinion and use it to blend into the crowd "i'm one of you" type shit. Likely they would have anti-ed anything Hololive did as a corpo anti regardless.
>>112562194they literally did stream on that same day, including CC, you pathologically lying freakshow
>>112562101>>112560657>>112556162
>>112562185>Everyone is down 10-55% conpare to last year.This make me think there is an underlying issue with Cover and it isn't just "the girls are lazy".
>>112562200yeah she did, and it's funny because kiara replied that they could still stream solo, and he was just like "i doubt it and it's your fault"
>>112562189Yes for no reason. Everything that cuck said was false. The thing about Nerissa not streaming, about the stars, that she was on twitter too much, all his Bloodraven hate while Nerissa pushes Bloodraven and the things he said about Nerissa not listening to her fans. He is a schizo of the highest tier
>>112562241>stream thinking you need it to live>don't stream for a few days>oh wait those cucks are still paying me? Awesome>stop streaming entirely
>>112562251The Gura special
>>112562241Cover can't make them turn on their PC and hit 'Go Live'. I can understand if they treat it like a job and have a number of hours in a week they want to work, but it still sucks that if that's the actual case with a majority of them, there's so much bullshit to do on the back end that makes it less than 10 hours a week to stream.
>>112561971That's not him. The one in /grün/ is either Kraya who got banned and had to call his mom for comfort or the gigaschizo Birgit, who now spam the thread 15 hours a day because his girlfriend dumped him during an Autofister split fiction stream
>>112562185Work goes up, stream goes down, some holos on the JP side have been checked out since 2021. I don't think it's an unfair sentiment in general, which is why I mentioned I'd get it if he was new, but if all he cares about is solo streams, he's wasting his time with Hololive.I'm not saying that's a good thing necessarily, but it's how it is. Instead of praying for another gen, it's best to just watch the ones already delivering what you want and for a proven period of time.
>>112560657>is 100% rightYeah fuck the new age of holo that is literally just permanent #ad spam.
>>112562245I hust love that the dude was blaming others' laziness on her for putting together a branch-wide mini event. Always everyone elses fault until it can't be passed off anymore.
>>112562268no he definitely posted there and replied to his namedrops
>>112562251>>112562259Why don't you just live on Twitch with all the cam girls if you care about clock in solo streams so much Roli?
>>112562264>less than 10 hours a week to streamI would cry tears of joy if FUWAMOCO would stream 10 hours a week
>>11256230640 hours a month should be the bare minimum
>>112562296desu that's just the kiara effect, that guy would never have the balls to shit on any "approved" ENgirl for daring to organize EN box stuff
>>112562306they are busy preparing for Serendipity
>>112562303Maybe after the ban. He's not the thread celeb though it's always timestamp or Birgit
>>112561941so does notgura stream nowdays?also fauna left to support her husband
>>112561889That is 100% speculation from this website and has been severely debunked.
>>112562275The problem is that the JP branch is much larger, and therefore has a lot more option of who to watch. There are hardcore streamers who put in some real worm and rarely stop, usually only for a limited time.Meanwhile everyone in EN is streaming less and even the 'big ones' who weren't close to the top JP talents are cutting back. Add in that there's no shot we're getting EN5 this year and anyone who wants a 'mostly streamer' is getting fucked over. Hell, Mori who's got a ton of work on the back end and Kiara who's been pushing to do a lot of idol work (including the psudo-branch wide Spring concert for example) are still putting in a good chunk of hours. What the fuck are the rest of them doing other than saying 'fuck my fans, I'm clocked out'?
>>112562323What about prep time and everything else that comes with being part of a corpo with a focus on events, MVs, 3D lives, merch, sponsorships, product tie-ins, etc. Schizos are so stupid
>>112556162>>112556582I can understand his POV if she was an indie.but my guy she is in hololive. it's the Walmart of vtubing why are you mad you should know what the deal is you look like a retard.She is not some small indie anymore with a small chat and small community. You should have gotten that clue when she, you know, joined fucking hololive.
>>112562087as sensawa, as gura and as saba
>>112562359>MVsliterally come out once or twice a year>3D livesonce a year>merchslop>sponsorshipsslop>product tie-insslop
>>112562364It's funny cause he did the same thing to Gura and Ame and sperged out in their comments/SC's
>>112562342https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/109267816/#109289672https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/109267816/#109290810just two examples i foundhe only stopped because /#/ started stalking him due to being a holoanti
>>112562142all that does not counter what was written
>>112562364I will never forgive Hololive for ruining and enshittifying a perfectly good indie.
>>112562194Just kys already Roli. Your "oshi" has already told you to do this in the nicest way she possibly can.
>>112562359Fucking retarded. EN doesn't have a Pekora, we don't have a Korone, we don't habe a Miko, we don't have a Koyori. We don't have a Subaru either, or a Luna, or a Lui, etc. I could name another 5-10 JP Holo who stream as much as the top EN streamer, Biboo. That is absolutely fucked and shows just how fucking lazy EN is being.
>>112562378Why are you even watching Hololive then?>waaaah I want her to be indie againYeah that's fine, but she's not. So, you have 3 options
>>112556162Christ, how hard it is to just stream? "muh watching vtuber playing games is not a hobby". Then streaming isn't a job either.
>>112562436Do you think the two branches are run the same way? It's like comparing apples to oranges
>>112562453>not blondeget that mutt drawing out of here
>>112562455I don't give a fuck how they're run, I just no that EN fans are ALWAYS getting the short end of the stick, no matter what. It's bullshit, and if these girls are somehow doing 10x the background work than the JP side (which they aren't), they should be pushing for a cleanup of the management on their side and less tasks.
>>112562505>I just no that EN fans>no
>>112556865>>112556582>annoyed by hololive selling out (even if it's for a schizo reason) and doing events that cut into streams>starts watching an indie>she graduates and joins hololive and stops streamingI sympathize with this schizo
>>112562486Better?
>dramanigger>polfag>schizothe holy trinity
>>112562519>annoyed by hololive>indie he watched graduates and joins hololiveDumbass should have jumped ship if he was already annoyed with Hololive.
>>112562523yes and saved, thank you
>>112562515Don't worry, you can just keep deflecting and shifting blame forever while EN continues to fuck over the fans with less content. Fuck I wish niggers likebyou would hang yourselves.
>>112562574>likebyou
>>112562603>>likebyou
>>112562359>What about prep time and everything else that comes with being part of a corpo with a focus on events, MVs, 3D lives, merch, sponsorships, product tie-ins, etc. Schizos are so stupid40 hours a month is very reasonable. It's barely 10 hours a week. That's 3 3hours20minute streams, 4 2 and a half hour streams, 5 2 hour streams. A full time person works 36-40 hours a week. Making it so that a base 25% of your weekly worktime is spend streaming, including 3Ds, collabs, sponsorships etc. ,(which the Holomem themselves determine what is getting streamed) really isn't that big of a standard
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>>112562603>FWMC>Down 53% on streaming hours so far this yearLol
>>112562659
>>112562359Those are excuses, how gullible do you have to be to think they can't stream at least 3 days a week because of that.
>>112556162i thought people liked enreco
>>112562389>not schizo
>>112562142>who hated the stars for no reasonYou really can't help outing exactly what you are. Stars are dead, tin for you to fuck off
ughhh being a holo is so much work nyooo...
TOTAL HOMO DEATH
>>112562717I can't stream...it's too hard look at how busy I am everyday... - cecilia immergreen
>>112562703>Stars are deadYeah and I couldn't be happier. My oshi no longer has to ever share a space with a crowd of autists like >>112562697. Its genuinely great to know that he's free now.
>>112562717>1-2 hours of daily pussy playtime separate from freetimeDamn those mood elevators got her spun
>>112562747He never had to share the space to begin with, fucking off and doing their own thing was all they ever had to do
>>112562670Are you supposed to be scaring me with cunny or something? Too bad I'm a fan of Holos and want to see them stream more.
>>112562264Most of the "bullshit to do on the back end" are optional unless we are talking about asking for perms which has been a thing since forever. Large majority of those recordings or meetings are just there because the girls themselves decided to take on a job or two few months ago>>112562355Why don't you think that "the rest of them" also have a tons of work behind the scene, too?If anything, I'd expect Kiara to have less non-streaming works compared to most other EN members simply because she doesn't live in JP
>>112562644>Making it so that a base 25% of your weekly worktime is spend streamingWell that's the real question isn't it. Suisei has what looks like around ~21 live hours on her channel in the last month, she's clearly career focused and anything but lazy. So, who knows.
>>112556162oh hes one of those niggers that bitched about this years ENreco. This year was great it was better than last years cringe ass dogshit one and as good as the first years so fuck this bitch faggot he deserved that ban
This is why you don't give these animals a lick of attention Soya/Cecilia shouldn't have give this man attention in the first place.
>>112562793So at the end of the day, them killing their streaming hours is entirely on them and their choices. Why try to downplay that and act like they totally don't have a choice in the matter like 99% if thise board seems to any time people talk about lack of streams, the schizo in the OP notwithstanding
>>112562786hello cunny lover
>>112562364Even if she still was an indie, nobody wants a controlling bitch like this as a fan.
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>>112562818You can't just go compare anyone to Suzy because no one has 10 shows annually or released more than 4 albums, EPs etc.
>>112556162sounds like a groomer angry he missed his chance
>>112562874
Obviously it's not her fault, but rather the recruitment HR that passed her entire gen of lazy fucks into Holo. She's just being herself.
>>112562883Mori has a lot going on, as did Kiara for a while, and both of them still managed to stream more than 90% of EN as a whole. Nowhere near as much as Suisei, but fucking christ if it doesn't prove just how lazy a majority of EN really is.
>>112562917>entire gen of lazy fucksnot all of them fuck you
>>112562917Fans said "we want euros" and Cover delivered. I don't think anybody really understood what the European work ethic looks like
>>112562778>fucking off and doing their own thing was all they ever had to doI think this applies more to EN than JP. At least what I've seen of JP they never really interact much with the girls.
>>112562390should've taken better care of her when she was an indie then
He's completely correct though? Where's the lie?
>>112562943I will never understand how Mori and Kiara have not given the girls advice on how to handle the Hololive workload and streaming at the same time. Even Bae is someone that streams even if she's busy with other shit. Do these girls not pass down advice or something?
>>112561475the blowup on the catalogue would certainly support this conclusion even if apologists resist
>>112562987They do, but the cunts don't listen. Just go look up all the clips about FWMC receiving advice from the first two gens. Funny enough, most of the people in the threads when they brought up talking to Mori, Bae, and Kiara about finding a groove and taking it easy were saying that those three were trying to fuck over content on their channel and ruin streams. Looks like they didn't need help doing that at all.
>>112562883Did you look at how many live hours CC has on her own channel in the last month?
>>112562703Myron is a cuck, an anti and a schizo.
>>112563009This place is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean others won't move on because lack of streams.
>>112563078you need to google the word "emblematic"
>>112562987There's no advice to be given, they just don't want to do more than the bare minimum.
>>112562864He was a relatively active member and in streams his comments were normal. I didn't know how schizo he was until years later because I never saw what he posted on twitter. Even in bean days he was constantly getting in arguments with randos with that same incredibly aggressive tone.She once had a collab with Nina where she talked about ignoring internet trolls and I'm pretty sure it was an indirect message to him (meaning that he should stop letting internet trollbait live rent free, not that he was a troll at the time).
>>112562306Ruffians got hit hard with the karma stick
>>112563092You say that, but most people just stop watching and say nothing. Here you have people who have intense passion for either loving and wanting more, or hating and wishing a talent was dead. It's extremes all around and 'discussion' almost entirely revolves around grumbling or spamming images if a talent isn't streaming. People like this are far more likely to keep watching even if mad instead of going 'Damn, they fell off, unsub' and never looking again.
>>112562987As much as I know I'm going to sound like a schizo here, no girl is going to listen to Kiara's advice because she is nowhere near one of the most successful HoloEN members. Of course, her streaming hours being vastly different from the rest of EN (including CC) matters, too.>Even Bae is someone that streams even if she's busy with other shitBae is in bottom half in streaming hours and she doesn't have to travel to JP like some of them. If you are fine with Bae, you should be fine with more than half of HoloEN
>>112563125>Even in bean days he was constantly getting in arguments with randos with that same incredibly aggressive tone.I wonder if he might have legit BPD or some regulatory disorder.
>autist schizo manchild groomer anti STILL seething about being put on his place There's like 4 threads full of seethe lmao
>>112563050>Funny enough, most of the people in the threadsI remember that. Bae got most of the hate from that and even in the yt comments people had an issue with her for it.
>>112559738>>112559821>but you see it doesn't count because blah blah blahhe was a chumbud and teamate long before CC even joined holo
>>112563172Its genuinely fascinating. vt hasn't been this lively in ages.
>>112556201This but unironically.
>>112563058Am I stupid or is it like 60 hours of stream time in the last month? There's 24 hours in EN Reco alone
>>112562045is being an unwelcome apologist exhausting? i've always wondered where y'all find the stamina to be such dedicated corporate bootlickers.
>>112563172many more than that in the archive already. you know why? because it's not just one schizo, it's people being pissed off at the way CC had a public hissy fit. much harder for you to handwave this way, huh?
>>112563215Most of her stream hours that month are enreco which it why it doesn't count. CC never streams longer than 3 hours because of random excuses like getting dizzy or hungry or sleepy or whatever but those never affect her collabs. Surely it's not because she's lying her ass off or anything
>>112563244She righteously slapped down an incel retard, and it was funny
>>112563244>peopleretards and antis aren't "people"
>>112563244Sure thing manchild. Keep crying and seething lol
>>112563050I remember Kiara telling FWMC to take a small break because they were going to burn themselves out with their schedule and /vt/ ruffians malding over it 3 years ago
>>112563256>streams 60 hours last month>not including collabs>"it doesn't count"lmao. you devious motherfuckers
>>112563244Half of the post in the threads are from that anon alone and probably self replies too.
>>112563330>>not including collabsretard it does include collabs. This month she will have a lower streaming time than ERB and ina because she announced that she doesn'T care about streaming anymore
I asked this before and I'll ask again cause I didn't get an answer. Has CC given a valid reason as to why her streams have been lacking? Even if (You) think it's a bs reason, I'm curious if she's address it besides a "sorry for no streams". Was it the traveling, "homework" something? I know she just did TAN, but from the way people are bitching about it, they make it seem like she's been dodging streams even before having to prepare for TAN.
>>112563290It was Bae actually
>>112563244I'd personally had more respect for vtubers if they actually finished the games they start instead of leaving them behind and only playing them one or two times because it's trendy and have to follow the herd. Even fucking Watson Amelia ragequit GTA 5 because she got filtered by that first plane mission, apparently didn't know that you can play controller on a PC. Same female who was praised for getting through Zelda btw while DSP didn't even though literally anyone is better than DSP, it's a pretty low bar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZqmh8yR_R8
>>112563361Anon, you sound smart enough to work as Cover management
>>112563373They mentioned Mori and Kiara too over their first year and some change.>t. Salty-ass Ruffian
>>112563367She hates her fans and streaming for them. And it's always "muh projects" and muh big things coming (which usually just means autofister slop). She's just taking your money to do basically nothing and taking pseudo vacations in japan
>>112563433>t.seething failed groomer
>>112563290https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SBUsKtRHQw
>>112563373Kiara actually replied to a tweet of theirs where they were talking about a 50 day streaming streak telling them to take a day off among other instances
>>112563458you wanted an answer and I gave you one. It's on you if you can't accept the truth
>>112563433>muh projects" and muh big things comingOkay so basically her excuse is she's busy with projects? That's all I needed, the extra seething is unnecessary though and makes you look bitter, even if you are rightfully (in your own mind) pissed. >>112563498wrong one buddy, right here
>>112563433Based, no wonder you're crying. You sounds like those jealousy bitch, my advice, groom some 1view on twitch.
>>112563523I wouldn't wish oshing CC on my worst enemy. It's like a CIA torture methond. It's almost as bad as oshing gura
>>112563264>>112563278Yass queen, slay!! Show the incel chuds what's what!
>>112557742100% deserved
I wan't to cumflate Cecilia.
>>112563634And you're still crying, damn.
>>112556162Autism.
>>112556162Who?
>>112562747>My oshi no longer has to ever share a spaceNow they no longer have professional space, so if anything your oshi will be closer to them once the stream ends.
>>112563634Roli has already been slain
>>112563550Nah, FWMC are worse than CC. Can't miss something if you never really had it in the first place. FWMC are down 50% for their stream time this year alone. Last year was like 20% from the year before, and 2023 (wgich was Aug 1 to the end of the year) had the same stream time on their channel as last year as a whole.
you know youre dealing with a walking red flag when you put down basic boundaries and they go apeshit
>>112559029They play all the same games in Holo that they'd be playing as indies.
>>112556162Where's the lie?
>>112563696I don't care about what happens behind the scene with the RMs unless it brings troubles to the public / the vtubers. If not for homos eating up resources, Kanata might still be here so fuck them
>>112563750Vesper would not agree with that
>>112563548>based she should totally just slack off membership money and not sream
>>112560657>my wifeand there you have itanother retard that thinks of the chuuba as his wife and that's why hubris gets his ass
So how many replies here are just OP samefagging and having a meltdown since he couldn't groom her?
>>112563726FWMC obviously had a plot from the getgo to get their foot in the door with a maximum effort debut year and then transition to the jp branch and coast as diversity hires. As cynical as it is, the plan was obvious from the word "go," they never managed to conceal their absolute contempt for the EN fanbase and, well, they succeeded. Hard to hate someone that plays a disgusting game and wins it.The sad thing about CC is that she's not even doing well so this kind of lashing out is obvious self-sabotage. Clearly there's a template for success laid down by the biggest channels that if you just knuckle down and stream a consistent schedule in a regular timeslot, put in the hours and don't bite the hand that feeds you, you can break 1m subs and get all the favouritism from Cover. Instead she chose to have her "PARASOCIAL FUCKS" moment.
