Do corpos not pay enough money? Is vtubing dying?
who is that/ gura?
>>113270163mori and kiara literally are literally accepting work outside of hololive
>>113270163Ok so how much is a night with her?
>>113270186I am not sure but it's jelly alt vtubing account
Kinda hard to watch vtubers in the office.
>>113270163phase doesn't pay very well because sakana takes huge cuts, he needs the money to pay for his new egirlfriend after he gets bored of the last one
>corpo not named nijisanji JP or hololiveNo. small corpos are just a scam
>>113270233I thought he was paying off the mental hospitals for new talents
>>113270163Phase used to pay Jelly extra to be the main music producer and editor. She was terrible at her job and would auto tune the shit out of everyone. The person they have now is much better.
>>113270262they're perfectly normal girls before he rapes them and then forces them to work for him
>>113270163Don't phase girls have like no contract and basically pocketing everything? Last I heard all of origins is in phase connect as long as they want and can leave anytime since they don't have contract restrictions
>>113270263Phase used to pay Jelly extra to be Sakanas girlfriend and whore. She was terrible at her job and would phone it in which made Sakana mad. The person he has now is much better.
>>113270263You'd think she'd still be making a nice living wage though to not ebeg. If she's in Indonesia she shouldn't be paying much unless she's getting raped by taxes, and even with cuts she should theoretically be making some good money if her vocal fans are serious and not a minority.
>>113270163Anon Phase does not get that many viewers, pretty sure most of its fanbase its /here/.
Not sure why anyone would want her to produce anything, she overproduces her stuff so much it loses any charm it might have had. Her main has plenty of whales so im sure the donations will be rolling in if that post is real. Hard to have sympathy for a grifter
>>113270301that's just fancy speak that basically means they don't need to wait a year after a contract renewal to quit, they still only get 45% of what's left after youtube/twitch cut
>>113270163What? Pandering to election tourists doesn't pay the bills?
>>113270301origins have god contracts they are are like mafia made men in phase
>>113270163Corpos are just terrible if you're trying to earn money. Unless you're raking in such a massive amount from donos that losing half of it doesn't matter to you at all then the corpo cut completely fucks your income and pretty much never gets put towards anything that will ever make up for it long term.
>>113270392yeah that's why pippa is still living in a trailer park and tenma can't afford to get married
>>113270444i said in phase, not hololive
>>113270461poor
>>113270233Panko said she made 6700 last month and that was a down month
>>113270595time stamp?panko streamed 3 times last month
>>113270595Either Jelly doesn't have many paying fans or girls like her just blow through money like its nothing.
>>113270349>Hard to have sympathy for a grifterman, this word really just doesn't mean anything anymore huh. mind explaining how she's a grifter? she has always been chuddy, even before joining phase. go look at her old collabs with lumi lol
Do we have an average pay scale chart for vtubers in general? I thought # would have this at least.
>>113270704it is impossible to tracktoo many variables and money avenues that are not public info
>>113270595That's nothing when you consider that Phase is the 2nd biggest corpo in EN
>>113270617When i used to watch her she got plenty of donations, also her gen recently put out an album that supposedly did well. Folks were even buying multiples because Sakana made it a cover art gacha. Seems like a skill issue, or she lost a lot of paying fans since I stopped watching.
>>113270278He has a coffee plantation for them to work on, right?
>>113270732>also her gen recently put out an album that supposedly did wellit did not. they said that the project underperformed.instead of waiting for their turn to be provided this project by the company, they jumped the line by pitching it and the 4 talents had to pay for that entire project with the understanding that they would get any profits it made. needless to say, some of the people in the project are now begging for money on alts.
>>113270704No because pay is not public. How are you going to track it?
>>113270783Wish really should have waited. I understand being frustrated but they just jumped the gun and likely overestimated their commercial appeal as singers.
>>113270163not a clue what happened to her. open twitter seeing her celebrating 4th of July with her drawing and it's locked and she is posting on her moon account
>>113270841especially seeing the big rollout Origins got this summer.and Alias is about to get over the next bit.
>>113270783I could have sworn I heard them on stream a while back saying it was meeting goals, guess I misremembered.
>>113270163Sometimes things can happen suddenly that costs a lot of money. I had a pipe burst recently that cost $800 to replace and it was outside so there was no water damage to consider
>>113270894both things can be true. in business, meeting goals does not mean it was crushing iti dont think it was a flop by any means, but it also wasn't this big thing that they hyped it up to be or like what phase origins pulled off
>>113270877The other thing I forgot was that Wish launched their album and even that big push they had before PhaseCon, the event tons of people were saving up their money for and had their eyes on. So on top of missing out on the boost that might have come after the convention, its overshadowed now on top of that...
>>113271081tbf PhaseCon and its timing was always about 1 thing: Phase Origins 5th anniversary.it's like if PhaseCon happens next year, I expect fully for the main thing to be Alias 5th anniversary and they get their gen concertWish jumped the line and hot shotted their project at a bad time in hindsight. Saga debuting was the main focus of the company from October-December, then they had Lia who even had Mint show up for her solo live which did a very good number for the company 2 weeks before it and overshadowed it. Wish did their stuff over Christmas when everybody in vtubing is doing Christmas theme stuff/concerts/relays so it felt lost in the shuffle. Also the concert was at a mid convention so there was no impact made.
Who takes the biggest cut?
>>113270163Guess it was worth it.
>>113271091Where did you come up with that?
>>113272229Pajeet fantasy
>>113271081wish deserved for the self serving project to be forgotten and overlooked. they skipped over alias. at least 3 alias members have commented about it and were not happy with them politicking. it wasn't even that they skipped over just alias, they skipped over origins too which is laughable too. but it worked out in the end because origins got their flowers in the best way possible, and alias' time will come as well it is gonna mean something when all 6 of them are together for the first time after 4-5 years. invaders being together for the first time after 2 years didn't mean all that much to the fanbase because they aren't like loved like that no matter how hard they try they just aren't on the level
>>113270212And literally they literally have literally always literally done that, literally.
>>113270212None of them are exactly begging for money though, are they? They never stopped doing work on the side.
>>113271081PhaseCon was only officially announced at the end of that concert
>>113272627Even within Phase there are multiple talents with other full time employment, Airi and Tenma.The whole Invader concept was a mistake, so many good talents in the normal gens that should have been prioritized. Doubt this is an issue that will be corrected given the amount of nepotism in Phase, and how close Dizzy is with Sakana
>>113272836Sure thing. Where proofs?
>>113272890Dizzy and Fishman are close to where it wouldn't be a shock if they were family, but its doubtful if he listens that much to her considering how venomous he seems to be towards her in private messages. And if its true that the big project for Wish underperformed, he's probably not going to prioritize her gen or take them seriously, especially not after Jelly dragged the company into some drama before the convention. Why bother when Alias is on the up and up, Euphoria needs help with Hina MIA and Saya graduating, and Saga is fairly healthy with basically no drama outside of Anya (who is basically just there and affects nothing)?
>>113273317Invaders Wish are over represented and hopefully they back burner them a bit until other gens get what is coming to them
>>113270163buy an ad
>>113272990I'm not getting banned by the phase janny, do reps
>>113270731Phase isn't even the 3rd biggest
Personally I've more or less stopped watching vtubers and just keep up with vtuber news. I've gone back to playing games and watching anime like I did before.
>>113273588No
CHUDS ARE BROKE LAMOOOOO
>>113270163All VC money is now on AI and SpaceX, old man. Vtubers are of the past.
>>113270377>Pandering to election tourists doesn't pay the bills?It pays Pippa's bills. But the other talents are supposed to act more respectable.
She's had plenty of oilers in the past dropping multiple $1000's on a whim, I dunno how much the Invaders stuff was but it's hard to imagine how she'd go from that to broke>but woman lolShit, I guess
>>113275091It is hilarious how the moment Pippa stopped doing it her viewership plummeted
>>113270336She's in Malaysia. No one knows what the difficulties are, might be a sick relative with an expensive to treat disease. Phase members make ok money but aside from Pippa they aren't rolling in piles of cash
>>113270364It's 35%. Youtube takes 30% off the top company and talent splits the rest (70%) 50/50.
>>113275946She still does, they just pay her directly via ko-fi donations to avoid the phase cut. She has had donations pouring in, and by her reaction to some of them they arent small, look at the response from 2 hours ago.
>>113274718Not nearly as broke as Clara's hymen
>>113275946>OilersYou do realize oilers were the poor saps who worked the oils rigs and barely made a living, and they weren't the owner class who got all the money, right?
>>113276872NTA but that's just the lingo these days. Oilers, whales, paypigs, etc. end up just being lumped together or used as synonyms half the time, regardless of their original definitions.
>>113270163>Join phase>become poorMany such cases
>>113276872I always imagined it referred to oil tankers
>Bad things happening to bad peopleYou love to see it
>>113273801>>113270731Phase is nowhere as big as you faggots think it isAlso its avenues for revenue are significantly smaller because you know what
>>113273801It's the 2nd biggest and no other corp really come close to Holo and Phase. Again, I'm talking EN only.
>>1132775510.6% Connect isn't even close to the biggest of anything. Its fanbase on this board being loud and obnoxious doesn't translate to fans anywhere else.
>>113277268It refers to oil BARONS, i.e. the people who made all the money from oil. Jesus I'm worried what else you imagined and never thought to ask about
>>113277632That's when including japanese corpos. Are you unable to read, you stupid retard?
After how loud all these 4XL chuddy starknights were, to think they couldnt even financially support one pint-sized SEA person is pretty funny.
>>113276872Oilers refers to Arabs with oil money not rig workers
>>113270163Time to commission the most racist song in the world
>>113277850Starknights are still waiting on a drowning pool cover she promised after getting a dono of like $500 or $1000 requesting it a year ago, so don't get your hopes up on anything timely.
>>113277312get back to work Clara
>>113277924Really? Lol
>>113270163If you see outside of vtubing, most of big instrusties are dying, because they got too big and everything is becoming too expensive.So except many people leaving and doing other stuff, and only a bunch of them actually stand out of this oversatured market.
>>113278020*so expect
>>113270212Mori already explain everything: work in Holo by itself is shit but you can get a lot of connections and opportunities
>>113270163>Phase talent does something non-phase related>phase fans immediately turn on her and relentlessly shit on herCurious.
>>113278092This is standard drone behavior anon. You see the same thing when Holos say they have money issues.
USAID gets terminated, Jelly runs out of moneyCoincidence?
>>113270731>>113277551>>113277660nigger we've seen the fucking stats chartsphase is so irrelevant it loses to NijiEN's shambling corpse
>>113277924Monkey bitch wants more money!!!!
>>113270163Black coffee company
>>113276961>>113277758>An oiler (also known as a "greaser") is a worker whose main job is to oil machinery. In previous eras there were oiler positions in various industries, including maritime work (naval and commercial), railroading, steelmaking, and mining. Today most such positions have been eliminated through technological change; lubrication tends to require less human intervention, so that workers seldom have oiling as a principal duty. In the days of ubiquitous plain bearings, oiling was often a job description in and of itself.It sounds like some ESL read that and wrongly assumed it's an oil baron. Just because more people adopted the wrong definition, doesn't make it correct, or right.
The 'booming economy' paradox.The stock market is high, but it's actually down 10%Only boomers have sufficient capital invested to benefit from these movesThere is sufficient gatekeeping of Alpha to prevent you from making decent moneyThe average 4channer claims to make 150k a year as a software doctor or something, but then talk about being nearly bankrupted by merely donating 3000 dollars to their oshi to try and get her attentionThe average person claims to be doing well, but no one can afford anythingThe job market claims to be 'hiring everyone' but no one can actually get a second interviewThe economy is good, but somehow also worse than the great depression
>>113280294>The average 4channer claims to make 150k a year as a software doctor or something, but then talk about being nearly bankrupted by merely donating 3000 dollars to their oshi to try and get her attentionI'm doing alright. Most people with moderately high incomes fall into lifestyle creep, if your income increases but keep your lifestyle very simple and frugal, than you're going to do fine.Don't be a retarded boomer who burns all of their lifesavings away on vacations or at the casino, or the average /biz/ 4channer throwing away their money at every memecoin or so their oshis can notice them.>T. Lurker >The stock market is high, but it's actually down 10%The stock market is up by alot, don't conflate day to day or week to week market volatility with annualized aggregated performance. But again P/E ratios are high and everything is overvalued, so there's constant talk and doom forecasting of an adjustment happening, but really that's just another buying oppertunity.
>>113270212Kiara should just do more lewd photoshoots if she needs money
>>113272229They made it the fuck up
>>113270163All the chuds in the world can't sustain a grifter's lifestyle it seems
>>113278122holos and their PL never said they have money issuejust complain 0 salary after they did their project
>>113280294Look up K shape economyOnly the rich are doing well and everyone else are getting fucked. Of course the red hats wanted and voted for this.Especially the tariffs, which came to bite Phase in the ass too.
>>113270217three fiddybut you need to be white, muslim, and circumcised
>>113270212They've been doing that since day 1
>>113281215They all should
>>113270163Explains why Camilocord is mad and they're making 20 Saba threads a day to cope
>>113281717>Look up K shape economyIts a trend that has been happening since the mid 2000s, but everyone seems to be suffering from brainrot and need to use these stupid memeable terms.
>>113276153Malaysia seems to be more expensive to live in compared to other SEA countries like Indonesia, but it still provides a comparatively lower cost of living since two of her genmates in America (Dizzy and Ember) both mentioned the possibility of having to look for an IRL job IIRC. I do agree that we don't know what her situation is fully like, but even with Phase and YT taking their cuts she still should be relatively fine unless she's living somewhere very expensive there, or she didn't plan for a situation where vtuber fans around the world are having to tighten their belts due to the global economy going downwards.
>>113283617Something tells me this is all related to the Invaders Wish concert and that each member (Dizzy/Ember/Lumi/Jelly) bankrolled it using their own personal funds and they are still suffering financial difficulties from that decision.
>>113283909i am pretty sure they "paid" for it as in phase paid for it up front, but then it came out of their future paychecks in installments
>>113270163Clara sends her regards
>>113273622"I dont have any proof and even if I did have proof I am too scared to post it and receiving a 48 hour vacation." Do you really need 4chan that badly? What a loser
>>113270163What is even going on in phase, man
Is vtubing worth it?
>>113290126as a hobby yes. as a career no
>>113284054It could also be likely that all of Wish pulled all their cash together out of their own pockets with the expectation that their concert would not only be a success but that their album would take off, rather than wait for Phase to foot the bill themselves. Except it backfired due to being horribly timed, releasing a few days before Christmas.
>>113270163>Is vtubing dying?Yes and it's primarily because of twitch whores.
>>113293044Twitchtubers are so different. There is something I just don't like.
>>113272449Honestly I disagree. Wish actually put some work into a project and that resulted in them getting a reward, a concert. If these other girls actually put some effort into making something unique with the extra time they've had they would also get something. But no, they "have brain worms" and can't do their jobs.
>>113293623you say that as if those girls havent put in the workwish getting a concert before just origins is comicalit worked out in the end because origins got their in the grandest way possible, didn't have to pay for it because it came to the naturally and wasn't forced, and i expect the same for alias.if you watch streams and know twitter alts, you know it has been a bit of a sore issue for at least 3 girls who were in phase before wish so they have tenure over them and are bigger than wish so they have numbers to back it up, yet got skipped over because dizzy is a politician. it was bogus.
>>113293623Its good that they got a concert, but its not hard to see why people felt like Wish were really pushing it. Yeah their album, concert and VN were funded out of their pockets because they didn't want to wait around, but they also had a full 3D concert event before the rest of ALIAS even were able to show off their 3D IIIRC. And only Lumi was there a few months before Phase Gen 2, the rest of Wish debuted nearly a full year after. So its not hard to see why it sort of rubbed people the wrong way when Wish had a big rollout before Alias did.
>>113294431nevermind alias. wish got a concert of just them before even origins en got a concert of just them. it was bogus and forced. they knew it and phase knew it, which is why they were made to self pay for it because there was no other justification or demand for it otherwise. compare that rollout to the origins 5th anniversary rollout and it is just night and day. i believe alias will get a better deal by waiting just like origins didthe chad phase origins>5th year anniversary project>phasecon is a celebration for their 5th anniversary and for the company they founded>does their first stand alone gen concert at a convention they created>the days after debut 7 new outfits that are all actually wearable and themed to new original song that debuted in the 3d concert>probably the sweetest 5th anniversary gift everthe virgin invaders wish>doing a project just because. no reason for it>had to pay for their project themselves because phase knew there was no justification for it otherwise>did it during the busiest vtuber month when nobody is paying attention because of christmas>concert is at a c-tier convention outside of con season>gets forgotten about immediately because the end focus of it is phasecon getting announcedwaiting was better for origins, and i trust waiting will pay off for alias too.
>>113280251Back before the vtuber COVID boom, Twitch streamers used to call the guys who whaled for them "oil prince" but along the way, ESLs started to call simps that spent big on their oshis Oilers.
>>113294431I think the thing about Invaders Wish jumping the queue is that I don't Wish understands how big of a deal gen concerts are in a traditional sense, especially since Wish are not even a real gen (Lumi was added like a year later) and meanwhile Origins/Alias were sitting there both intact and still got fucked over by them in a way. I don't think Wish saw it that way, they just saw it as doing a project.It's like how I don't think Lumi understands what 3D debut/lives are meant to be in a traditional sense, like she rushed to do one just to say she did one. Compare her 3d live with Lia & Hime's. Theirs were legit 3D debuts like you would see from hololive or nijisanji. Lumi's was like a twitch indie 3D debut. Night and day when something is done right vs. just rushing to do something just cause.
>>113281717Tariffs still make sense when used in specific markets but slapping tarrifs on entire nations because they made you mad is retarded. But that's Don's style. Lots of talk and not much follow through. Phase still should have kept the original US warehouse.
>>113270704varies insanely because of whalesBasic math tho is anything under $10k/year per 100 ccv
>>113274718muh trades meme gottem
>>113287368you say this but they gave me a vacation just for mentioning it, phase janny would 100% perma my IP if I linked to it, just do like 15 mins of searching and you'll find it anon
>>113283424Because we've been using the same shitty trickle down economics for 40+ years, it's only been put in overdrive in the past decade and being a recession makes things more much noticeable and painful.On top of the failed trade war which makes supporting vtubers by buying their merch much more expensive and difficult.
>>113270221is this really her or is this rats?
She said it was related to a medical issue. She also made 10k in 2 days on her moon Kofi after making that tweet.
>>113300123NTA but it's literally her pre-phase account. Phase made her make a legally distinct Jelly IP so that they could own it to avoid another Yuri situation.
