>>113374777
Why do you still like her? It's time to move on.

>>113374777
I don't think about her at all

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>>113374777
She's irrelevant now

>>113374777
She's Irrelevant now and that's the best Fate for someone like her

Who?

>>113374777
I forgot she existed, honestly. Haven't thought about NijiEN in ages, so fuck you for reminding me.

>>113374777
why did you remind me she existed?

>>113374777
I have moved on unfortunately, the first two years of NijiEN were fantastic but they blew it all up.
Her and her 'sister' are equally to blame, both did what they thought would be best for their careers instead of what was right.

>>113375518
>instead of what was right.
what, pray tell, do you believe was "right?"

>>113375537
For Elira, not throwing someone completely under the bus with a ludicrous public callout video that only benefited the company.
For Selene/Doki, not jeopardising other people's careers to boost her own reincarnation and grifting off the drama for years after

Very little of what Selene complained about was actually substantiated and most of it was between her and management, not the other talents. It's a shame that the talents themselves had to suffer for terrible management.

>>113375609
So you're blaming the abused talent for exposing the abuse by leaving instead of the company who both abused her and the other talents AND set up the callout video that the other chuuba did.

That's definitely a take, that's for sure.

Irrelevant, worthless. Nobody cares. Ahe has like 2 fans

>>113375671
I think people are still incapable of seeing that uniformed front against Selen was a smear campaign. There already was an apology by Riku why was there a different 2nd approach? They got rid of all the others properly by being silent. They just made themselves into a clown show on their own. What was worst was they were baiting for a reaction and the later was already advised not to do anything and just be silent after using a trained statement response.

>>113375881
Nah, it's just people somehow hating people rocking the boat more than the boat that was full of holes and actively sinking to begin with.

>>113374777
I don’t think anyone really thinks about her anymore

Elira's mindset was that she controlled the whole vtubing sphere. Because back then the only way to get big was joining a corpo, and Holo never hired. So therefore the only way anyone had a chance of popularity was through Elira. They had to suck up to her and kiss her shoes, and Elira the sassy feminist might give them a favor if they're lucky.
What enraged Elira so much is that Doki proved her wrong. Doki showed once and for all that you can be populat without a corpo. This sat inside Elira and caused seething rage. She couldn't let it go, she had to knock down Doki and put her in her place.

>>113374777
>>113374880
>>113375070
>>113375741
>>113375390
Literally nobody outside of those involved actually knows what went down regarding Selen. Taking any kind of stance believing you are morally right is stupid since you don't have a clue what happened.

>>113376082
Publicly attacking someone who attempted suicide less than a month prior is not a morally right thing to do.

>>113376082
Oh yes I do because I know the personalities of the people involved. I know that this blackstream was almost certainly the idea of Enna and Millie. As this is their modus operandi for a long time. The whole idea of making huge bold and confrontational moves, that's an enna thing.
This was the clique's hit on doki.

>>113376082
anon they tripled down to manipulate discussion here regarding late night threads after ego browsing over Christmas day reactions to Selens hospitalization.
Their reaction to triple down publicly was what ultimately led to their failure to avoid legal pressure. No one gives a fuck like you said, but because they considered this place a tap on the fans perception instead of something to be ignored.

They felt the need to address publicly = shoot themselves with the very gun they just shot Selen to plead self defense. It could have been a very easy sweep under the rug moment but they did something that contradicts JPs intention.
>>113376150
Very much what happened in the end and their entire EN business paid for it.

It is not a matter of hate. It is a matter of facts and no amount of lying even a decade later will change what happened.

>>113376295
What exactly happened?

>>113376079
Doki hasn't been popular outside of her ten minutes of fame. Everyone lost.

>>113376307
Selen wasn't happy with management and wanted to leave. When she did she blamed the stress she was feeling on Nijisanji because they had, to their discredit, stopped listening to her requests for perms, her complaints about not being heard, and hadn't given her the same opportunities that talents that had better relationships with management had received. On top of that she said that there was an ingroup and and outgroup inside the talent itself and she was picked on by the ingroup who were given preferential treatment.
EN's management's response to this was to get Elira and some other streamers to go live and address the allegations. We don't know why they agreed to this. I think that Ike later apologised and said they were all swept up in the moment. It ended so poorly that Riku had to step in and say they would be cleaning up EN's management.

>>113376307
Alright I'll spoonfeed you the sequence of events, and I'll even keep bias out of it and just keep it to events that were made public.
>selen works on cover for 'last cup of coffee' and was set to release it
>is told by management at the absolute last minute that the green light she was given has been revoked
>releases the cover anyway and tells her fans to dl it if they want to.
>immediately suspended
>millie takes to twitter to post 'um did you get managements permission first' which many people take as passive aggressive mocking in hindsight
>selen disappears for weeks
>eventually revealed to be in a psych ward because of suicide attempt
>reimu makes infamous tweet about food using the exact phrasing 'an attempt lol'
>during same time period enna tweets it's the best year of her life
>selen disappears again for a few weeks
>is eventually fired
>normiesphere hears of the events, shitstorm ensures, nijien starts losing mass subs and live viewers
>a few weeks later starts redebuting as dokibird
>schedules first proper stream
>nijien schedules stream to give their side of the story via prerecorded message on elira's channel, goes on to be known as the infamous 'black stream' or 'black box stream'
>dokibird officially announces her exact time for a neopets stream to return with
>elira moves the release of the black stream forward by a few hours to directly overlap the neopets stream
>message involves elira, ike, and vox and involves them talking about legal documents they weren't allowed access to legally and outright stating selen's allegations involve claims of bullying and harassment
>doki cancels neopet stream barely holding herself together before giving a quick statement her lawyer wrote up for her
>nijien proceeds to start losing subs and viewers on a scale previously unseen
>bleeds out over the years
>you are here
That's the unbiased sequence of events. The obvious read as observers of it is that she was bullied and then niji was pulling its usual black company bullshit. There were some really funny events I didn't include though like how riku tazumi had a pre recorded video he released a few hours after the black stream where he was basically apologizing to the shareholders over selen and directly contradicting everything the black stream had stated.

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>>113376933
>millie takes to twitter to post 'um did you get managements permission first' which many people take as passive aggressive mocking in hindsight
>eventually revealed to be in a psych ward because of suicide attempt
>reimu makes infamous tweet about food using the exact phrasing 'an attempt lol'
>during same time period enna tweets it's the best year of her life
Lions.

>>113376670
Now that's just objectively false. She just had a sold out concert and has been actively invited to every event under the sun.
Not just her own fans, but fans of other scenes she's visited like the esports, minecraft, or fighting game communities love her, other content creators seem to adore her and repeatedly work with her or invite her to things, esports pros (and even some team owners/staff) keep playing with her (even off camera during normal ranked grinds) and inviting her to join them at tournaments, game devs seem to love her and regularly invite her to visit their studios, and she has tons of connections all throughout art and merch circles.

Pre-niji, in Niji, and now post-Niji she's very well liked and quite popular.

>>113374777
whore

>>113376933
So Doki went against her employers wishes and released her song anyway, and then tried to kill herself after getting disciplinary action? This just makes Doki look like a childish idiot. She knew the rules and chose to break them.

>>113377184
selective nitpicking

>>113377184
It was common practice for Nijis to sidestep management because management was completetly incompetent and retarded. After the incident dozens of artists who comissioned with nijiEN came out of the woldwork confirming the same thing, that management had no idea what they were doing. Any time they inserted themselves in a project things became stupid very quickly.
Anything that got done, got done because of the talents. Petra made the overlays for everyone. Pomu organized the anniversary song. Selen organized the tournaments and even got Vox's help with funding. Management meanwhile would sit around failing to get perms their only job.

So when management pulled the cover, in a sense it was like a random lightning strike. Why target her? Why not one of the others? She felt singled out and unfairly put upon. She had funded this entire song, gotten the perms herself. And remember she spent $200k of her own money on projects to support the branch over the previous year, and this is how they treat her.

>>113374777
I like Elira, i watch her for some chill streams, and at least she doesnt constantly laugh like some hyena.

>>113377263
Oh no he's a lobotimite

>>113374777
except I don't have a reason to forgive her, she didn't do anything wrong

>>113377184
yeah but the bigger group decided to stream during hours they have never done or do for Black stream to deliberately over lap.
Who is the childish one out of this situation?

>>113377285
TRVKE

>>113377290
What was said on the black stream that was so bad or untrue?

>>113377306
ironically it was Vox that said they had read the legal documents which contradicts Selen's statement at the time.
That brought into question how was NijiEN being run if all the others were in on it. You would think a bit of confidentiality in management would occur over a suicide attempt so the stream shot Nijisanji's credibility apart.
Especially like how another anon said JP had Riku made an official announcement already. EN doing its own thing.

>>113377243
>Why target her? Why not one of the others? She felt singled out and unfairly put upon.
That's still on her.

>>113377342
Why did Selen try to rope her coworkers and peers into some kind of legal nonsense? If she wasnt a bpd schizo she wouldnt be involving others in her problems, then they wouldnt feel the need to defend themselves,

>>113376079
This is complete bullshit. Elira's motivation was defending her friends who were being blamed for bullying someone that had very openly bullied others in public for "entertainment". Trusting the word of someone that does that and has very open public meltdowns over anyone else draws your judgment into question more than anything else.

>>113377378
Wtf. There is no room for this question to be addressed in a public forum especially at that time. They should NOT have tried to defend themselves and let Nijisanji do its thing. Riku already did what the company had to do.

There is no justification for the black stream. It does not and did not serve in the best interests of the company to have streamers reflect the company when there is a conflict of interest over the subject at hand.
You are trying to string along questions but you had no idea how badly Nijisanji's fan base here got their shit kicked in with that leading line of thought.
The fact is there was no good outcome to have come from their actions. Silence was what was discussed and advised to them during the entire Christmas situation. It was literally a mood of 'Nijisanji will get away with it' again because their reputation was that huge. It took the people themselves embarrassing themselves to hurt their reputation. You need to understand that Selen had no real hand in that. She didn't point a gun and make them do stupid shit. It was just an accusation after all.

>>113376933
Not fully unbiased at least at the start -
Selen had massive problems with the management for quite a while before this.
She worked hard, but never gave a shit about rules and was always self centered.

Meanwhile niji management were all extra anal and lazy, taking way too long for basic processes.
Also they were corrupt - not paying contractors for commissions, leading Selen to pay them out of her own pocket.

That Last Cup of Coffee was just the final straw.
Selen should have realised earlier that she was not suited for corporate life. Niji management clique are just shitheads so never expected them to do the right thing anyway.

But the most important point is the timeline of the black stream -
- management harass her
- her colleagues harass her
- she tries to off herself but fails
- twice!
- her colleagues hear about this and mock her to goad her into killing herself
- when they realise she's more stable, they publicly do the black stream in an obvious attempt to get her to try to off herself again.

>>113377426
>hey should NOT have tried to defend themselves and let Nijisanji do its thing

You think management didnt encourage doing that stream? Its just random guerilla stream talents made without permission?

Again why did they have to deal with any legal nonsense because of dokie's meltie?
Hindsight is 20/20, they clearly thought it was necessary because they cared about public opinion back then, nobody knew how it would turn out and how much public would buy into selen's sob story about evil villains and bullies at nijien.

>>113377426
You are completely missing the point.
They WANTED her to kill herself.
There is literally no other explanation for them to try to harass someone who attempted suicide because of harassment.

>>113377493
>their lawyer advised them they could read the legal documents
in some shitty response letter they posted later. Anon it is clear they had no idea WTF they were doing. Hindsight isn't 20/20. It is no other company would have been dumb enough to do what they did.
Which is funny because that 'leads' to the question of managements incompetence over the entire situation as the primary guilty party.

>>113377498
lol yeah in the end that was how easy it got to spin how villainous the company was and how 'black company' got stuck to their reputation.
Regardless of truth of events people got to see and judge them by their actions of these events. Nijisanji EN were idiots to have behaved how they did and paid for it even years later.

>>113377498
>There is literally no other explanation for them to try to harass someone who attempted suicide because of harassment.

Lmao, the only harassment happened in her head and in your schizo false narrative. None of what youre describing was harassment. What you are suggesting makes absolutely no sense.
Are you selen? Persecution complex, people cared about their careers not about getting a bpd girl kill herself while blaming them. That makes no sense, since they'd be blamed. (unjustly)

>>113374777
Did she post nudes yet?
Then yes.

>>113377531
the company and Black stream very much addressed an incident occuring. You can believe she faked it but you cannot make her the guilty party for how Nijisanji handled it. What is so hard to understand about these facts?

>>113376933 (me)
>>113377184
The way events happened it seemed like the suicide attempt either happened the same time she uploaded the cover or very soon after since she went missing right after her tweet over the cover, or at least that's what my memory of the events is.
Regardless of her fuckup on that specific point it doesn't change the fact nijien handled the entire thing basically as badly as possible at every single turn and the entire thing is their fault.

Had nijien simply terminated her contract over the uploaded cover without permission, stated as such and kept the statement brief and professional, and moved on odds are they'd still have a large presence in the en vtuber industry.
Instead they took the ball selen had given them and proceeded to repeatedly shoot it into their own goal.
>>113377379
Selen never publicly made those claims until the black stream anon. Until elira and vox released that stream saying there was a legal document of selen alleging bullying and harassment by nijien members to her (with elira outright naming herself enna and millie) there was nothing beyond rrat'ing /here/ about it.

>>113376082
No one cares anymore

>>113374827
I think about her tits

>>113374777
Who?

>>113374777
I'll forgive her once she makes a VP suffocating the listener with her huge tits

>>113377551
>addressed an incident occuring

That doesnt mean someone was at fault for her mental illness episode. If she imagined that she was bullied when she wasnt, then she is the guilty party. She was causing trouble for everyone, but the public bought into her narrative.

>>113377661
they didn't buy because 'she said it' they bought it because this is 'how' Nijisanji EN reacted doofus

>timelooping this 2 year old topic
dramacucks must be really bored, huh?

>>113377379
The funny thing is... Doki never made such claim publicly. The bullying first come out in Selen termination notice.
Nijisanji is the one that openly revealed it.

>>113376933
>is told by management at the absolute last minute that the green light she was given has been revoked
Why did this happen? If I recall correctly LilyPichu was okay with it, the art was commissioned by Selen herself so... why?
It's ironic how the management catalogued as incompetent and lazy could've done the latter, be lazy and do nothing and this whole situation might've been postponed if not avoided.
But really though, why was it revoked?

>>113377675
Yeah they reacted by denying, and denying it means theyre guilty. Nice kafkatrapping.

>the one solo niji-samurai still on about this shit two years later
pls tell me this is larping for some shitty screenshot xitter/youtube post

>>113374777
she didn't give me apology paizuri

do we really have to timeloop this shit discussion with some retard repeating same phrases over the years like a bot? noone cares about nijisanji anymore

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>>113377763
According to screenshots shown in the black stream, it was to do with the fact that she included Mysta and Nina in her MV.

>>113374827
Yeah

>>113377774
Denying should not involve the people in question who obviously had no fucking PR training moron. Vox fucked up. One of them didn't even want to be there 'crinkles water bottle'.
The twitter messages after divulged too much.
You do an AWFUL lot of work just to shift responsibility off Nijisanji for handling it so poorly. I do not think you will be capable of accepting that they made mistakes like how everyone else who is normal did.

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>>113377938
I care about niji though. My oshi is still there

>>113374777
>Why do you still hate her?
why is this still up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

>>113374777
It's fucked up how there was literally zero evidence she did anything wrong and yet people ran with /vt/ shitposts and blamed her for everything and then it broke containment and now everyone believes she's some evil mastermind

Ok Elira and Enna. Time to piss off back into irrelevancy. Go work at Burger King at this point.

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>>113378112
no those threads were great. We gave you guys here an option between blaming 'no name management' or going along the schizo direction that no EN management existed or at least a horrible intern and that Elira was the primary connection between the branches.
Guess which of those two options you chose because you were too dumb to shift the flow of conversation in the moment and didn't want the brand name to be disgraced. lol

>>113377733
Probably some bored dramafags after people ignored them whining about the concerts last week.
It was pretty entertaining watching them be gobsmacked at the idea that some people still enjoy vtubers, though.

We also predicted if you kept the clique Nijisanji EN would never recover. We must have been wrong right lol

>>113378007
Well that's a load of bullshit. You're telling me management didn't know about who would be included in a video featuring nijien? Just how incompetent were they?

I honestly don't think about NijiEN much at all anymore, they're borderline irrelevant now

>>113377426
The real truth nuke is that she deserved to be bullied.

>>113374777
kys Elira

>>113374777
I don't know who she is

>>113377938
Hey I care about Lulu
And maybe Finana when her PL posts her cleavage

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>>113374777
I love her though?

>>113374777
>Hate her
I don't even know what the fuck she did other than host black screen. The vtuber community put more effort into defending sex pests and corpo racists then finding out whatever happened with Niji EN.

>>113376079
>they had to suck up to her
This happens everywhere unfortunately. People do this to Mori or Kiara, Nimi now, Ironmouse, Michi, Mint, Pippa, Filian, Henya. And it's cause they engage so much with people outside their spheres. People like Gura had a wall up and you couldn't social climb on her and that might have pissed a lot of people off.

>>113378112
Even if she did nothing else wrong ever, hosting the black stream more than justifies all the contempt she gets.
It wasn't just petty and spiteful, it was incredibly stupid, if they had left it at Riku's milquetoast statement a few hours earlier the whole thing would have been forgotten within a week.

>>113379737
hmmm, you're right. i watched salome recently

>>113378084
What a cute model wasted on such a vile and disgusting person.

>>113382242
but enough about doki

>>113376082
making a video standing on your soapbox shit-talking someone who's not even there and who can't defend themselves is absolute shitdick behavior regardless

>>113378214
Considering the constantly ignored selen and anyone outside of the clique, I doubt they even bothered to watch it until just before the release despite having months to a year to do so.

>>113378084
You chose poorly. This girl took the past 6 months off streaming because of her STD. She got Luca to buy her a place in Japan in exchange for sucking his dick. She openly dated Kyo and fucked Hex.
This is like choosing a massive pile of crap.

>>113383703
How do you know? Why do you know? Kind of sus.

>>113383385
Judging from the video there are literally 3 frames, 3 images, 3 pngs placed featuring ex-livers. Could be at most 5 but I won't bother searching for their exs mascot design. All in a 3 minute video.
The only way I could understand is if Selen didn't tell anyone from management about her video until the last second. That's hard to believe. To believe that nowhere did she say "I'm going to include everyone from Nijisanji EN!" and that managament didn't bother to ask, and mind you in advance, if "Are there going to be ex-livers? There are some things to confirm if so"
Fucking hell, I'm the most anti-social fag there is and I could've done a better job piss drunk.

I wish Elira had made it into Myth. She would easily be the best singer in Myth right now by a mile

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>>113374777
EN members moving to Japan will fold into the main branch, and those not moving to Japan will be left behind. It was the deathblow to the branch and it was entirely optional to upload that right after Riku made an official apology.

It could have been Niji black company vs Doki, but Elira invited the entire harassment campaign to her fellow coworkers. Now Finana has to beg for money and post tits for any kind of relevance.

>>113376933
I'd like to add that management took down her cover video. Also, the video had been in production for something like 1.5-2years with all the permissions bullshit and recording/video editing.

I saw my oshi playing with her once and I was really disapponted.

>>113384998
obsessed schizo autist

>>113385102
i dont even watch collabs, whereas you have a encyclopedic knowledge. Explain that sister?

>>113385281
You sound like some girl who is jealous of her seducing men you like. How else to explain you have all this knowledge while hating her?

>>113374777
Buy an ad

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>>113384396
>management says "dont upload the video without permission"
>upload it anyway without waiting
>management takes down the video
>surprisepikachu

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>>113385506
>literally hatewatching like an incel
admire the dedication

>>113385652
Still avoiding the question of how do you know all this information? All the tiny details of her streams? You are a luca fangirl? Who do you actually watch?

it's funny how whenever there's one of these threads all the niji people congregate here because these are more active than all of those generals combined

>>113374777
the only one I hate is Enna because she shit up /vt/

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>>113386622
I feel like that's more millie's fault with the secret gc stream and constantly baiting with vague tweets than enna.

>>113387317
Watch her stream
>Luca did this..
>and then Sonny was like...
>and Wilson was omg
>then I saw Vanta make a face like...
In order to watch her stream you need to be cognizant of/famiar with a bunch of homofaggots I don't give a fuck about and am never going to watch.

>>113387560
I dont want to watch her streams, I want to listen to her lick my ears and simulate blowjob noises.

>>113387621
>we are not friends, we will never he friends
Direct quote

>>113387633
Correct she is a blowjob slut.

>>113387678
Her streams are long diatribes about fujo shit, with constant references to her male coworkers, because most of her audience is women and she has to keep entertained somehow. If you are a man and you don't give a fuck about Sonny and Wilson and whoever the fuck, then you have no reason to watch her streams. Plus she's a bad person.

>>113387817
>most of her audience is women
0% chance that is true

Whoever posted this is an excellent baiter and also proved his point. As much as we like to pretend otherwise, Elira still does live rent free in our heads. The bitch.

>>113388127
In NijiEN? It is true. Like 90% of the viewers are women. Girls like Enna and Elira spend their whole career sucking off the boys, so they get some female viewers by proxy.
Elira is constantly talking about fujo shit and giving secret inside details about the boys.

>>113388373
You must be a woman to talk like this, a delusional ugly fat woman. No, most of the audience of any girl are men, i dont believe any female vtuber at niji are women.

There are no numbers that suggest otherwise, but you dont need any statistics cuz youre delulu

>>113388570
NTA and the 90% is clearly an exaggeration, but I would not be surprised if it's a majority women, especially after NijiEN's collapse.
Most of the people left watching the girls are just runoff from when the boys aren't streaming. For a bit, Enna was even the biggest female streamer in EN because the boys would constantly raid into her after their streams, boosting her substantially.

>>113388748
>Most of the people left watching the girls are just runoff from when the boys aren't streaming

That's just a convenient narrative under assumption that everyone else is sheep like you. I never watched or cared about Selen and i thought that internet mob was wrong, i kept watching girls for the same reasons i watched them in the first place, like many others.

Not everyone is a pussy ass bitch that will drop vtuber because clueless clipwatchers and redditors throw tomatos and harass them.

>>113388870
So it's just a coincidence that the biggest 2 girls are Enna and Elira who both do female oriented content?
>>113388748
90% of NijiEN's audience generally is women. The girls either ignore the boys a d go parasocial, but get tiny audience as a result. Like Scarle and Aia. Or they spend their whole career sucking off da bois and get mostly women audiences, but get almost no donations as a result. Like Enna and Elira.

>>113389019
>So it's just a coincidence that the biggest 2 girls are Enna and Elira who both do female oriented content?

talking about fujo stuff is cool, guys like listening to girls talking about weeb things and things they are passionate about. Its more relatable for me to listen to fujo stuff than Kiara yapping about Seinfeld.

You realize that the girls had big audiences before male vtubers even appeared? You think 90% of viewers were women then too? And if not, then why do you think all of the old viewers have left? I have not.

Your reasoning is dumb man

>nijifags still mindbroken by selen after two years

>>113389362
>You realize that the girls had big audiences before male vtubers even appeared?
Before they poisoned their content with a constant bombardment of nijimales and before they shot themselves in the head with shit like "PARASOCIAL FUCKS" and the black screen stream.

>>113389362
>You realize that the girls had big audiences before male vtubers even appeared?
They were chased away by the males, and only a stump remained. Most of their viewers after that point were women. It would be hard for a man to even watch this stuff. Unless you're really excited about Enna's teatime chatting about family matters? Most men want gameplay and some sex appeal.

>then why do you think all of the old viewers have left? I have not.
You are probably a turbo autist. Most people move on to other things after a while. It's not normal to stay on the same thing for half a decade.

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>>113389362
>And if not, then why do you think all of the old viewers have left? I have not.
Back when they debuted, Elira and Finana were averaging 2000+ viewers and hundreds of dollars of donos per stream (even $1000+ when they were doing pulls in Genshin)
Now Finana is averaging 200 viewers and begs for donos on Throne (bypassing corpo cut) because she has $10k+ in debts to pay, while Elira is averaging 500 and cried on twitter about being poor.

>>113376132
>attempted
DOCTOR DOCTOR I'VE BEEN SUSPENDED BY MY COMPANY FOR NOT DOING WHAT I WANT REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>113389552
>"PARASOCIAL FUCKS" and the black screen stream

Like i said, youre projecting. Most people dont care what some schizo on vt is crying about, and not everyone is following the mob and jumping from one shiny thing to the next.

>They were chased away by the males, and only a stump remained. Most of their viewers after that point were women

This is just projection and a completely false narrative with no evidence at all.

> Enna's teatime chatting about family matters?

as opposed to any holo member chatting about family matters or some other nonsense? Hell people even tune into silent "work" streams.

>It's not normal to stay on the same thing for half a decade.

as opposed to be like some adhd numberfag that just watches the next dangling keys in front of him?

>>113389673
no one disputes they have way less viewers, im disputing the idea that 90% are women, i dont think its even 50%.

>>113389567
>It would be hard for a man to even watch this stuff.
NTA but that's not true at all. There's plenty of other chuubas and streamers to point at you can use as examples.
Hell, by this logic idols in general wouldn't exist. After all, what self-respecting man would spend money to watch a girl prance around on stage in a cutesy outfit singing songs that sound like they were made for children?
You can't just reduce everything down to "gameplay and some sex appeal."
>Most people move on to other things after a while. It's not normal to stay on the same thing for half a decade.
This is also ridiculous. Only really teenagers and young adults hop hobbies and trends that quickly. Anyone older usually sticks with their hobbies and invests quite a lot of time and energy into it.
You're also ignoring the fact that generally you're supposed to work to gain new viewers to replace any that do leave. If they're all leaving and not being replaced, that's a failure in its own right.

>>113389794
>Most people dont care what some schizo on vt is crying about
Why did 90% of their fans leave? Over half of Elira's current viewers are women. Without that she's getting like 200 ccv per stream. When she debuted all those years ago she had 10x that audience.

>as opposed to any holo member chatting about family matters or some other nonsense?
Holos do male oriented content. They have 99.5% male audiences.

>>113389794
>Like i said, youre projecting. Most people dont care what some schizo on vt is crying about, and not everyone is following the mob and jumping from one shiny thing to the next.
If "people don't care", then where did their audience go?

>>113389840
>what self-respecting man would spend money to watch a girl prance around on stage in a cutesy outfit singing songs
Those are cute girls who are desireable. But Elira is exactly the opposite. She has said in no uncertain terms "I am not your friend". Her content is intended to be for entertainment only. If you are entertained by listening her squeal about Vanta holding the umbrella over her, or how cute Wilson's expressions are, then watch her. Otherwise you are not getting anything out of it.
Her pathetic fan in this thread is posting blowjob fantasies about her. He might not realize Elira has specifically said she does not want fans like that in her fandom. Go away, she does not want you.

>Only really teenagers and young adults hop hobbies and trends that quickly.
Elira plays games for teenages and young adults. The books and movies she talks about are for teenagers and young adults. She is perpetually stuck in that period of her life and I suspect the same is true for the 100 or so male fans she has left.

>>113389673
>because she has $10k+ in debts to pay
worse, $60k in back taxes + $20k in other debts

>>113389893
They care about the new popular thing, and many are bandwagoners and follow the mob. Not because of some clipnigger being mad

>>113389891
>Over half of Elira's current viewers are women.
prove it.

>>113390085
>"th-they weren't real fans! they were just bandwagoners who watched streams and vods, donated, bought merch, and went to cons!"

>>113374777
I genuinely don't understand why so many people blindly took Selen's side during the feud.

>>113391748
because she had an "attempt"

>>113391748
NijiEN has like 10 sex scandals at this point. I don't know why people still watch. I think to be honest a lot of people were on the verge of leaving anyway and Selen just gave them the excuse

>>113391748
People actually liked Selen more than Niji so it's not that hard to explain.
Many of NijiEN's connections and network was actually Selen's network.

>>113391881
People left as the covid buff disappeared and as the main vtuber they watched graduated. There was a lot of a fanbase crossover, but every time someone left, most of their fanbase left with them. There was no reason to stick around if the people their oshi watched was never going to interact with the others ever again.

>>113392315
>Vox's numbers started collapsing exactly when Reimu interrupted hias ASMR
>nija started getting death threats because she was too close to the boys causing her graduation
>Luca couldn't stop flexing his access to the girls causing his parasocials to desert him
>the girl's side of the branch started collapsing when Enna started dating Kyo and telling incel chuds who had a problem to leave her fandom
>pomu's fans in open revolt because of Luca
>entire branch started entering a death spiral as the livers kept fucking each other, breaking up, dropping dox ln each other
>branch becomes a social mindfield as everyone is having breakups and cheating on each other and nobody will talk to each other
You got the cart before the horse. People graduate because of the sex orgy pile the branch became, not the other way around. I mean look at the aster situation.
A mixed gender branch with no guardrails was always going to end this way. But because of Elira's crazy gender ideology everything had to be mixed. Even the JP branch doesn't do that.

>>113392310
Projection

>>113377426
>They should NOT have tried to defend themselves
Least tone deaf fagoon

>>113392743
>>113391881

Only doxfags know about any "sex scandals"

>>113392310
I was a moderate niji fan at the time and I didn't like Selen. Most people didn't like Selen. That's why most within the company didn't support her

>>113394640
I'm sorry you feel that way, but clearly you and Niji were outnumbered so the point still stands.

>>113394953
outnumbered by tourists, yes that's true

>>113375609
You're conveniently ignoring that Elira and a few other members of Nijisanji EN were staff members themselves, so when you say Selen had trouble with staff it was actually Selen having to go through Elira to get anything done.
Calling that situation black/toxic would be a huge understatement.

>>113395461
>Elira and a few other members of Nijisanji EN were staff members themselves

Out of all the rrats around this whole thing, this is the dumbest one. I'll give credit to the people that first pushed this though, they must be laughing their asses off every time they see it.

>>113395557
Ok nijitard. Go jerk off to Vox

>>113394640
nah you were (are) a mongoloid retarded faggot who eats his own shit and slurps homeless mens cum

>>113395640
no need to get so pressed :3

at this point i think people bringing her up aren't fans and just want newfags or have such a hateboner for her they want to relive her downfall again
i'm well past hating her or anyone in nijien, i frankly am not even the biggest dokifag out there and pomu was the only talent in nijien i liked

but chirst, regardless if they bullied her or how deep the bullying was, i don't feel bad for elira, millie, vox, enna or anyone else associated with this clear attempt to throw her under the bus
they made the stupidest mistake of their careers and have to pay for it. i don't get why i should feel bad about it. i mean just read the comments on the video.
it literally cost her half her fanbase and made her prisoner to the nijiEN brand

>>113374777
I don't hate her, if anything I kinda feel bad for everyone involved. Except for Enna, she deserves everything bad that happens to her. Most of NijiEN had nothing to do with Selen and just had their careers tank overnight because management and Enna/Millie/Reimu couldn't stop being unprofessional cunts.

Regardless I'll always be on Selen/Pomu's side because they're my oshis.

>>113395819
>Regardless I'll always be on Selen/Pomu's side because they're my oshis.
pumpkin spice basic bitch

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>>113395857
I was a fan of mint since before Niji and was confident she was going to Niji when she graduated. I was one of the first posts in the first /NijiEN/ thread celebrating her having "made it" because of all her past struggles with wagie life. That is all to say I'm not just a tourist pretender, I love Mint with all my heart.

Selen is like my #5 desu maybe I shouldn't call her my oshi but I like her.

>>113374777
sorry who

>>113395943
saying mint/doki is your oshi is like saying star wars is your favorite movie

>>113395974
We're on the Hololive board anon. Accusing someone of not having an obscure enough oshi is silly.

>>113395974
cool
nta but this isn't going to make people watch elira or anyone from nijien
i think i got a millie stream in my recommend this week, she had like 185 live viewers lmao

how the mighty have fallen

>>113395974
People like Millie and Enna and whatnot have like 500k subs my dude. They are not unknown. They aren't like some undiscovered indie with 200 subs.
The reason they have low viewers is because people stopped watching them. They threw away their audience.
They are like Britanny Spears past her prime. You can't say she's some undiscovered niche person nobody knows about. I mean for fuck's sake these are full time streamers.

>>113397808
what a cutie

>>113374777
I’ve never hated her