BatatSleeping Edition>What is /lig/?/lig/ is a thread for viewers to find, share, and discuss indie vtubers who have on average 500 viewers or more.>Why /lig/?Large indie vtubers have more net fans, but they are outnumbered by 2views by the thousands. This is a thread for the VIP, regardless of what language they stream on.>Can I shill my 499view oshi here?Considering averages fluctuate widely, all the way down to 100 is reasonable. The minimal requirement however is being Twitch partner or the YouTube equivalent in numbers.>Wait isn't that one a corpo?/lig/ is a thread for chuubas of a decent size who aren't defined by their corporate branding, either due to the small size of the corporation or the independence and lack of oversight granted to the talents>/lig/ Numbershttps://lignumbers.neocities.org/>Twitch Clips Guidehttps://pastelink.net/34vd5>VOD Archival Guidehttps://rentry.org/Vod_Archival_Guide>/lig/ VOD Archivehttps://rentry.org/Indie_Vod_Archives_lig_>Koikatsu cardshttps://mega.nz/folder/JYtkXJwL#07gAQCQqI_9FsmX9oQJKSA>/lig/ Wheel of Nameshttps://wheelofnames.com/5jh-93j>Tiermakerhttps://tiermaker.com/create/-lig--16586688-3>/lig/ Chuuba Birthday Calendar (WIP)https://www.canva.com/design/DAE-XgWodVg/ofLz4QC1yPPQ4T6TTAE0fw/edit?utm_content=DAE-XgWodVg>Upcoming BirthdaysJuly 20th - Callie CalicoJuly 23rd - ShondoJuly 24th - ShxtouJuly 28th - Eros ValentyneAugust 5th - ShylilyAugust 6th - TobAugust 11th - Delutaya & ViennaAugust 12th - Silvervale & YanderaeAugust 16th - SigridAugust 19th - Saya SincronisityAugust 20th - Beribug & girl_dm_ & Techycutie>OC material for the OPhttps://mega.nz/folder/IIVD1IaJ#cfsRhWdJvzneIoG8HZUPuw>/lig/booruhttps://ligbooru.moe/>Duckshttps://www.twitch.tv/dashducks (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)Other useful threads:>>>/vt//big/>>>/vt//corpo/>>>/vt//choc/>>>/vt//flip/>>>/vt//haha/>>>/vt//indie/>>>/vt//mint/>>>/vt//swarm/>>>/vt//vrt/>>>/vt//xvsj+/Previous Thread: >>113400490
>>113402888this is me
I love my cute, horny and bratty sex fox. I LOVE HER SO MUCH! ErmĀ®!
which vtubers hate each other
>>113402902the ugly ones and the fat ones
>>113402902Nyanners and Lilypichu
>>113402888Why do you hate the middle aged?
>>113402902It's a very common occurrence, most of them.
>>113402902Coqui vs seemingly everyone these daysMost vtubers anti themselves here but won't admit to it too
>>113402888bedge
>>113402917I do?
>>113402913Remember when Nyan beat the shit out of Lily at ax?
>>113402924UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I hope Layna rubs her ass on my penis
>>113402926>Saya Sincronisity
>>113402944GOD DAMN IT! I knew I forgot something
How is he able to create so many spam threads in a few minutes?>>113402929>>113402922>>113402918>>113402912>>113402910
where shirko
Layna is the love of my life
>>113402997Residential proxy services
batsturbating
>>113402997You are legitimately schizophrenic
>>113403012Stream title just got changed, so she should be here soon
using juniper's butthole to jack off my penis
BUTTSLUT!
>>113403104
/lig/ has fallen
>>113402997Irys needs to start Mass Effect 2.
>>113403133Shhhh we are watching shira
bat is a stupid foid i hate her i hate all of you your all stupid bitches fuck you please die bat sucks ass
>>113403169>your
sex with invisikuu
>>113403203how would it work?
Mako Fuckysuckyhttps://www.twitch.tv/makofukasame
I am going to become the very best ligger trainer and rape every ligger
Liggers for this feel? (no, croc isn't a ligger) https://files.catbox.moe/bm9qok.jpeg
>>113403222Latex shork
>>113403238margo
>>113403201reraeerdaed asshol,w cantn even stpell right lieka fuckig retarded hidiot and you are fuckign retarded chaud isiot faggot nigger idiot moron retard i hate you you are stupid please die you are dimb as fuck and i hat eyou im going to call you and idiot and dumbfuck asshople retard nigger faggot idiot
>>113403260Jesus man you're a bumblebee, how many loras do you have in cooking?
>>113403260Yoro I'm in love with you lets start family
>>113403270The boy is too old for her
>>113403298fair point
>Shira speaking germanwoah
>>113403203Would your dick disapeer inside her or would it be visible ?
gambagods we are washed
>>113403391It's so over
people don't even post about touching themselves anymore
people don't even post pictures of Layna Lazar's ass any more
How can batat videogames ? She is not even potato.
people don't even post pictures of Juniper Actias's tummy any more
I'm going to become a mormon and marry liggers that hate eachother
I'm going to become a moron and marry bat
remember when bat gaslit grape to sterilize herself?
remember when you made good posts
>>113402901>>113403222>>113403507
remember that time geega praised msm and vshojo
remember that time grimmi was going to graduate to join a corpo but then cancelled said graduation a short time later and credited clauvio with being the one who talked sense into her about it
TITTY PARA!!!!
remwmber that time grimmi said something really fucking stupid
https://www.twitch.tv/sleepiebugSleepiebug live, art stream
>>113403555Very nise
>watching most recent Para vod>she stole fucking cheese from the supermarketBro this bunny of shit needs some hard correction.
What is the appeal of the para
>>113403596God I love her
Cute
What is the appeal of the bat
>>113403629she's at videogames.
member when
>>113403606Idk man some dudes just like her
>>113403555Para after our 5th child.
Oh like Para at videpgames
would you convert to islam for bat
>>113403724No. That death cult needs to be wiped of the face of Earth.
>>113403724I would convert to any religion and kill my family if it meant bat died
i don't condone the worship of women. vtubers are an example of women preying on the weak
Layna needs to be stopped
>>113403555Ungodly
Kuu makes me cum diamonds which are the hardest metal known to man.
>>113403778Remember that guy that came pebbles and even showed them to us
Liggers that would tweet during sex?
>>113403747so you're admitting you're weaker than a woman
remember when that one guy wanted to be killed by Haruka
>>113403831You want us to say Deme but we aren't going to do it
remember when Haruka streamed
>>113403831You
remember when Haruka joined vshojo
>>113403596Can't believe my stinky oshi is a fucking thief
Cyphi give birth to Kuu's rough diamonds in the transparent leg spreading chair. Wearing only a choker necklace of large baroque pearls, a straight barbell in your tongue with one ball too large for you to speak without tongue piercing accent, and 4k cameras and microphone to film that in 4KHD VR surrounding you. Film at island beachside in summer daylight.
I love Milky!
>>113403502QRD?
>>113403933Good idea. They should do that
>>113403933where did cyphi go anyway?
>>113404006One would hope she just has to cum.
>>113403283a couple I guess
>>113404006Juat like vesper she now lives on a big beatifull farm outside the city.
i think ecto would make really funny noises in bed
>>>/v/743225424ligger for this feel?
>>113403933>Cyphi give birthScared me for a sec you faggot
>>113404173moids can't get raped
>>113404184Nothing faggot about giving birth to D Clarity Flawless baroque organic womb diamonds and that look on her face and she needs a hand repositioning the inverted teenage womb with someone's fist, passed out in the summer sun. The whole point of cummin' is the eventual Reproduction. Which is Authentic Straight alignment.
The bots are getting weird.
>>113404274>thinking nyggers is a botNewnonny...
Italian fox love
Leaflit is currently teaching everyone how to AI generate their own reactive 2d model using the tools she's been working onhttps://www.twitch.tv/leaflit
>>113404305This shit is just embarrassing.
French bunny love
>>113404322this has to be bait right? she's doing a nikocado 2 steps ahead type thing?>>113404335cute
Good morning! Fallout stream soon. Tell juniper that there's going to be a whole new vod for her to watch!
>>113404340I hope so, but you know how it is with pretending to be something for too long
>>113404322Everything she does is
gambaGODS we are so back
Filian is a wonderful person who is worthy of love and support
wife soon
>>113402902The ones that steal eachothers' regulars and oilers.Also, the ones that see themselves as real as opposed to girls they see as fake.Also, the ones who do not pretend to be nice vs the ones who do pretend to be, or are, nice.Also, some of obsessively skinny women hate fat women, like the women who attacked Kirari Yagi for being fat while playing a loli character, when she did a skin reveal.
painal with para
>>113404498I will rape your wife (consentual)
Krum when I get my hands on her
>>113404524>regularsThey don't care>oilersNow these they care about
I love Lucy
>>113401482What do you call this?
Bat
>>113404649bat
I dont recall Cece being menhera like this when she was a 3 meter tall blue bean woman
why is anon trying to loop something from a month ago
>>113404695German women are rude and entitled
>>113404695>Ahh Monday morning, time to post corpo non drama in the indie thread
non-american hours are the worst times o and in this thread and board
>>113404017Godspeed
>>113404651*cough*
>>113404738It's 7:30. Do you not go post on /lig/ the moment you wake up?
>>113404651I can't believe Zullie is actually a woman
>>113404782>he think americans wake up in morning lmao
>>113404791I'm an American and I got up 2 hours ago so that I could go to work and shitpost about my oshi
>>113404651I can believe Zullie is actually a tranny
Denpa...
>>113404814lol wage slave
https://x.com/i/status/2076631285485948930Hebi x mint ???
>>113404828
Hey so yeah, if anyone wants to chat, I'll be in Olivia Monroe's Discord, later dudes
Hey so yeah, if anyone wants to chat, I'll be in Olivia Monroe's pussy, later dudes
>>113404651Cute bat
Hey so yeah, if anyone wants to chat, I'll be in BatFUCK YOU BATPOSTERS
phew I was quite a gooner sesh I'm exhausted
>>113404878Where cut marks?
>>113404913How can someone even BE a goonsesh?
You guys ever get the feeling someone is watching you, saving up all of your /lig/ posts go show to your oshi?
>>113404925*that haha wowie. my head is.. yeah it was that good
>>113404925How can a bat BE at video games?
>>113404934No, because my oshi does it herself
>>113404915Under the thigh-highs
>>113404960Your oshi shows your oshi your posts here?
>>113404498If she's not even going to play a game then meh
blue thang livehttps://www.twitch.tv/kuul
I hope Layna doesn't read my posts
>>113404821That's not poutine
>>113405049ofc she's playing a game today
>>113405073Oh, just not a horror game? That's ok then
I hope Para reads my posts and goes>kuhuhu look at this PERVERT posting these things about me! tch
I hope Layna posts pictures of her butt on the internet
Gonna listen to para's friend speak french. I don't understand a word but I love the sound of it and her voice is really nice aswell
I hope Juniper posts pictures of her butt on the internet
>>113404838mint has to stop grooming women worldwide
uuu
many people are saying Layna and Juniper should order pizzas together and eat them to gain weight
>>113404305thats nice of her
which ligger do you regularly watch during morning wagie hours? my oshi is being lazy and i need someone in my ear
>>113405167Sleepiebug
>>113404695>digging this up againhi roli
>>113405167They all keep dying, but Kuu is still here sometimes
Layna is pathetic and so is her ass
>>113405069I've had that kind of "poutine" before its shit
I hope Bat reads my posts and goes>Look at this fucking drooling retard posting these things about me FUCK they need to KILL THEMSELVES
>>113405167Fallenshadow Road to Empress VOD.I'm currently watching it.
>CC doomposting.>Mori doomposting.>ironmouse doomposting.>kiara doomposting.>kronii doomposting.>snuffy gone for 2 weeks.Uhhh marge?
>>113405154Nimi forma the lemonwhore
>>113405233Watch a ligger VOD, like Oli or Shondo or Inis or Meat
And you tell me people who use periods in greentexts and at the end of their post aren't retard schizos>>113405254It's simongoy. He doesn't watch streams
>>113405278Aww zoomy baby too stupid to use correct punctuation.
>>113405308Never call me a zoomer ever again
>>113405188why would roli be in /lig/ and not just make a thread shitting up the catalog?
Anyone else enjoying the Shondo Road to Empress VOD? That was a fun stream
Lululasso?
>>113405347Shondo actually banned me actually.
>>113405347I can't stand the way they talk Chinese in that game. It's grating to my ears
Snuffy is probably on vacation, ironmouse and holos might be related to hololive hosting concerts next year, moving to Japan or a homo branch in hololive getting shafted.
>>113405427The future is Chinese. Better get used to it.
>>113405441As long as they don't speak Chinese like that it's fine. Normal Chinese sound fine to me
>>113405440>Snuffy is probably on vacationYeah, there is this leaked clip.
>>113405441yeah
Who let in the rambling hobo?
I need to be rapped by a chinese woman
>>113405441The future is hapa
>>113405211That's what she whispers to me when I show her my posts
>>113405467https://youtu.be/VBsikl5ddscThis is a ronin thread.
Alright who are you guys going to watch now that Essie is gone until September I might check out neppie
>>113405475this but its a fat white woman from alaska
Layna melted my ice cream
>>113405475This but a gang of bats
pling plong
>>113405501essie is only gone for a few more days
Essie was killed by angry futbol fans
its so cute how autistic tobs gets with analog horror and argsshe gets so invested and scared
God I really want to cum inside Shyrei (Squchan)Good morning!!
i hate twitch so fucking much
>>113405501>I might check out neppieWhy? Do you need to cum?
>>113405686Same but Layna instead of twitch
>>113404651Zullie the loretroon
>backreadCoqui should kill herself for bringing more politics into vtubing. simple as
>>113405789no u
>>113405719Odin...
>>113405686This, but a certain pink person (not from this thread); but why don't you like the animated emotes?
I will give 0/5 reviews for any hospital that helps Layna
I love saiiren's body
>>113405649its funny how angry she gets that people keep calling her mascot analog horror series fnaf
>>113405052>fae as a pronoun option in game yeah this is a major faggy game
>>113403833I met Nina once and she pushed me down and... It's too painful to say anymore.
>>113404305Someone make a liggerman one.
>>113405698No but I like her model and she came up in my youtubed shorts and she seems nice
>>113404695Most people don't care about your corpo.
i need to be raped by moriko
Getting raided into saiirens tummy on display by buttslut. Thanks shira
A moriko wife would fix me
>>113406093many people are saying this
>>113405951>>113406138>Being on the U.S. gave her a squeeze zone
forsen doing a 2d debuthttps://www.twitch.tv/varidetta
>>113406180Great, isn't it?
when you really think about it all liggers can be categorized into two simple groups:>i need to rape themand>i need to be raped by them
>>113403082Nah, he's right. This dude would get nuked within minutes back when this board had actual moderators
>>113406193alright
>>113405981joyless faggot moment
forsen
>>113406231Only is you're a closeted homosexual without an Adam's apple
>>113406265pretty cute
>>113406034in my 3.7 years of lig this might be the most forced and unfunny bit
Saru and Deme collab later today
>>113406180let me squeeze and kiss her womb damn it!
>>113406268>Only is you're
>>113404305She's doing numbers on her posthttps://x.com/Leaflit/status/2075245874674889013Honestly surprised just how many people are reaching out to her and asking when they can try it it out
>>113406297grim
>>113406324Is that a tweet?
>>113406297Girls should use Deme as an example of what a good chuuba should be Such a sexo model
use krimbos convenient pussy then leave
>>113406324imagine trying to help people instead of seething about saudi and ruining an entire event tens of thousands of people look forward to and train for
>>113406324>33:27Can someone tl;dr this?
>>113406324>doing numbers>4k likes
Lululasso anyone?
Does Ywuria just RP yap now?
>>113406344This bait
and one more downgrade to the list
>>113406053I like the way you think anon. Just not enough to do it myself.
>>113406395ayo wtf
>>113406395Why the long face?
that's enough. back to hearthstone
>>113406395I hate the :3 shit in vtuber models so much dude, just because it works in 2D doesn't mean it will in L2D
>another scammed by an artist
>>113406395To the liggers reading this thread (you know who you are): Don't cheap out on the rigging
>>113406441
@Broners, where is necro lina?
I'll be completely honest: outside of debut vtubers rarely make the model a main focus of the stream. It's okay to cheap out on a model.
>>113406471Coming back this week, since they got the caring for her dying uncle situation sorted out
>>113406486Of course you would say that
>>113406395Should've updated her kemono model.
Saiiren got a bit chunky, huh?Not that I mind, she still looks greatI just liked her toned tummy more
>>113406093>>113406170>>113406174
>>113406324You're really starting to look desperate by doing this shit you know
wait is varidetta 30s years old?
It should be socially acceptable to go to vtubers doing irl content and tell them they should lose weight
>>113406499Don't reply to the fuck. You're going to make him think that anyone at all wants him to be here when that definitely is not true.
>>113406533kill yourself rin
>>113406514Blame rain
Most vtubers could probably drop the model, and stream quality would stay the same. Only vtuber I can think of at the moment that lets the model get some action is pillow, but she's just one vtuber, and doesn't really reflect the current zietgeist.
>>11340654229 or 30
>>113406514Evidently she was chunky before but lost weight, so this is more of a reversion to the mean. Thanks for the heads up. >>113406545It should be socially acceptable to go to vtubers doing irl content and tell them they should gain weight
>>113406556nta, I like RES more than a lot of you faggots, filter him if you dont like it, he is the only one itt you can easily and completely filter.
>>113406351dis nigga thinks coqui was the one who made the decision
>>113406545especially if they're skinny
>>113406395If it wasnt scuffed it wouldnt be Vari.>>113405501Remember that /wool/ exists, we have all the cute girls like Essie.
>>113406577Put your trip back on fag
>>113406577nta but i do have him filtered, i still see replies so yes, don't reply
>>113406324Essie wearing a Colombia team jersey got 7 million views
Saiiren stimming with her chub...
I browse this shithole with zero filters. I just ignore the retards.
>>113406597why would you have replies on to filtered posts
thoughts?
>>113406662LICKA
>>113406395she looks retarded
>>113406700She IS retarded.
tob is NOT my friend
>>113406700fitting, then
>>113406662Sausage toes
>>113406711why what did she do
>>113406437
>>113406655Why did Ray do it?
>>113406733so brave of them to show RTX!!!
wtf Nazuna live https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
>>113406764>>113406778
Reminder that para is a dainty and demure jade princess, pale as snow and she smells like gentle spring in mountain regions of northern china.
Is it normal that actually I like watching the hololive gem?
>>113406797its not nice to lie on the internet anon
myra laughs my beloved
The rathttps://www.twitch.tv/bodegarrat
>>113406797true if the mountain stream was polluted by a nearby chemical processing plant
>>113406733Yoro's reaction at the end makes me laugh every time
>>113406797Not even Para believes that
>>113406662Whose?
I hate that bitch ashton marten
>>113406533I think the people trying to call this embarrassing or even evil look like the desperate ones
>>113406890It's not evil, it's just Indian behavior.
>>113406905Not if her program actually works
>>113406764>>113406778O fuck, it's the OG model
I think Juna Unagi should get a model that's just a KainƩ cosplay for no particular reason
>>113406917vibecoded slop to make more slop is peak twitter indian behavior. stop coping
>>113406945
bodega should grab my cock like this
>>113406957Being able to generate a fully rigged model including toggles seems pretty sophisticated actually
>>113406973>t. twitterjeet
>>113406324i don't really care about ai but that rigging kinda looks shitty. like it feels stiff and the mouth tracking is significantly off
>>113406973
>>113406982>>113406991If it's twitterjeet slop then no one will use it and you have nothing to worry about
>>113406973No not really. Rigging is easier than you think.
>>113406810It's normal. She seems to be a really nice girl. Smug and bratty and needs to get put into a full-nelson hold and fucked silly.
>>113407010Then why does it cost thousands of dollars and take months to do?
>>113407041lazy artists
>>113407041Basic supply and demand. I thought leaflit and her fans loved capitalism?
>>113404305>>113406324>>113406890Another great set of posts from MisterPersonGuy
>>113407054No they enjoy triggering twitter liberals
>>113407044And that's why Leaflit is making her tool, and why some people are actually excited for it>>113407054What does that mean? She's working to meet a demand right now
>>113407071cringe
>>113407079ah yes the great demand for... dogshit AI slop!
>>113407041because riggers refuse to make any kind of public ressources to help newcomersthe only reason it costs that much is because they're making sure supply stays low
>>113407101this is bait
>>113407101>any kind of public ressources to help newcomersthere's a million and one tutorials on youtube
>>113407108this is bat
>>113407100The demand for accessible models not bound by constricting terms of services
>>113407101>look on youtube for tutorials >hundreds pop up >some 5 years old lmao what are you talking about
is this bitch ever okay? there's ALWAYS something with her
>>113407115
>>113407116>I wanna have a model while I stream on kik and scream niggertruly the cream of the crop
>>113407132Screaming nigger is VTuber culture. If you don't like it then I suggest you move on to another hobby
>>113407115The HYRULE Strait is OPEN, and will remain OPEN, with or without Gerudo. We are reinstating the THE GERUDAN BLOCKADE, so named because it is only stopping Gerudoās ships or romhacks from entering or being randomized. All other gamers will have fair and open use of the Strait. The GIRLS F.C. will be, from this point forward, known as āTHE GUARDIAN OF THE HYRULE STRAIT,ā but as such, and as a matter of FAIRNESS, will be reimbursed, at the rate of 20% on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of streaming and singing to this very volatile section of Twitch TV. The process and formation will begin immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President BAT A. VIDEOGAMES
>>11340608550.39% of all those independent viewers are watching my nigga Glunk
itās funny because vinegar chips
>>113406659you're right. i'm very silly
>>113407185kek
>>113406053even with AI i am still too lazy
>>113406601>sports ball faggotry
>>113407160>>113407132we like para here tourist, where do you faggots blow in from? at least try to blend in, its courteous to lurk for a bit to understand thread culture
>>113407079>What does that mean? She's working to meet a demand right nowWhat demand? People wanting cheaper art isn't the same thing as people wanting to replace artistsIf she was just "meeting demand" she wouldn't need to sell it as some grand moral crusade>>113407116>The demand for accessible models not bound by constricting terms of servicesConstricting how? You're talking as though restrictive terms are the norm instead of one option among manyIf people don't like a particular artist's terms, they can commission someone else. Explain why that suddenly becomes evidence that the industry needed to be replaced rather than people simply choosing different artists
>>113407044I FUCKING HATE ARTISTS!
>>113407221that one ligga that hates everything
>>113407224I was being sincere, one of the most influential VTuber clips in the culture's history is a compilation of VTubers saying nigga
nigga what the FUCK are you talking about?
>>113407237it truly is just the equivalent of people being told to pick up a pen and practice, but they're lazy faggots that just want the end reward and not put in any work to get ittruly indian behavior
Guys you have to see Kittyflute's most recent ASMR on Kick
>>113407237uh oh dya melty, havent you sold enough $80k models?
hi Tobs
sex with juniper
>>113407126Some sort of chronic/long-term condition?
>>113407273No it's the equivalent of paying someone else to pick up their pen but then they take months longer than they said they would and because they're depressed and their mom has died three times and your money is already gone
>>113407126trannies are known to constantly have health problems
nice one tobs
>>113407259That's a pretty interesting way to describe a niche part of the community. You're taking a handful of edgy clips and acting like they define the entire mediumAnd even if I granted that point, what exactly does that have to do with AI models? People aren't criticizing Leaflit because they're afraid she'll take away their racial slurs
>>113407271it is very important that i argue with retards about this very important issue that i am suddenly very invested in
>>113407302So now we've gone from "AI lowers the barrier to entry" to "sometimes commissioners have bad experiences"Those are two different arguments. Unless you're claiming that most artists behave that way, you're still using horror stories to justify replacing an entire process that, for the overwhelming majority of people, works perfectly fine
>>113407302>and your money is already goneyeah I also love scamming bao.
>>113407237She's advertising her project as a free tool for people who don't want to be beholden to those terms of service agreements, what you paint as a moral crusade is just part of the advertising. It's another option for people looking to get into VTubing, and if there's value in it then people won't use it. The part that's scaring some artists and VTubers is that some people are seeing value in it
>>113407302This
>>113407341no one is scared you tard. people are making fun of leaflit being a twitter indian yet again
>>113407341How do you know that's what's scaring them?People criticizing AI doesn't automatically mean they're afraid of it succeedingAnd "some people are seeing value in it" doesn't really tell us anything. How many? Enough to meaningfully change the market, or just enough to generate engagement on social media? You're taking "people are talking about it" and quietly turning it into "artists are threatened by it", which aren't the same claim
>rummy plush fully funded with an hour and a half leftyippee
>>113407337Both are reasons why Leaflit is making her tool and why people want to use it>an entire process that, for the overwhelming majority of people, works perfectly fineI don't know, almost every big ligger has had a nasty public experience with an artist or rigger not doing their job. Imagine how much more isn't talked about, or how rampantly smaller VTubers without reach get abused and manipulated because they have no audience to out them to
>>113407337>there are multiple reasons why this is good>>erm no, you can only say one at a time for my peanut brain!vtubers are definitely not known for bankrupting themselves for models! pretty sure at this point you are just trolling. [-]
Olivia status? I feel like we havent heard much about here recently
>>113407341>a free tool for people who don't want to be beholden to those terms of service agreementsuse any of the tons of free video tutorials on how to make your own model on the internetstop being a lazy pajeet
I hope Layna gets replaced by a better person
>>113407384>he says while grimmi's first model cost 5 dollars
>>113407302>and your money is already gone
>>113407375"Almost every" is doing quite a lot of work thereYou've named a handful of public incidents involving some of the biggest liggers in the space and then jumped to "imagine how much more isn't talked about". Why is that?If the argument relies on all the cases we can't see, how is anyone supposed to evaluate it? And "smaller VTubers without reach get abused and manipulated" is the same thingYou're taking a few high-profile disputes and extrapolating an entire hidden pattern from them. What exactly is that based on besides suspicion?
>>113407363The posts in this thread tell a different story>>113407368>How many? Enough to meaningfully change the market, or just enough to generate engagement on social media?We don't know, but Leaflit is passionate about this and it's being made so no one can really stop it. We'll just have to see how many people wish to circumvent the artist and rigger process
>>113407373With how unreliable shipping is, and vtubers are with merch I wouldn't be celebrating that.
>>113407394she seems to be doing okay
>>113407373>average viewers: 66
Did you see shondo got mistaken for a child today
>>113407411not a single post in here reads like someone who's scared
>>113407411>The posts in this thread tell a different storyHow? People mocking Leaflit, calling the tool slop, or making fun of her politics isn't evidence that they're secretly worried about it succeeding>We'll just have to see how many people wish to circumvent the artist and rigger processRight, which is why it's strange that you're already talking as though artists and riggers are threatened by it. You've gone from "people are interested" to "artists are scared" to "we'll have to wait and see"If we have to wait and see, then what exactly are you basing the earlier claim on?
>>113407425stop spamming nigger
>>113407425all mine btw
>>113407434It's about the behavior, you notice what topics people get offended by and how hard and long they work in an attempt to dismantle positive or even neutral discussion about it
>>113407467So now "people disagreeing with me" has become evidence that they're afraid? If someone thinks Leaflit's tool is low-quality, functionally dubious, or simply unnecessary, why wouldn't they argue against it?You're treating criticism itself as proof that you've struck a nerve. Explain why those people can't just genuinely dislike the project
>>113407363>twitter indianschizo jfc
>>113407425
>>113407467don't get your panties in a bunch because people made fun of your oshi for being a twitter indian little jit. this whole 4chan thing might not be right for you
I agree that the artist cabal should be taken down a peg in regards to their control over vtubing because of all of these TOS that are and their total lack of accountability in any regards to things like ghosting but I don't think the solution is dogshit AI rigging that looks like a bad animated gif when you talk
>>113407433Yeah, by me, nearly harassed her before realizing the mistake
a piece of crap frog girl trying to take over the south side sponsors, if your game has gen-ai in it, please shove my offer up your shithole since that's where it goes.
>>113407484I agree
>>113407484*TOS that are draconian
>>113407484Thanks for the update MisterPersonGuy, any other things you want the thread to know?
>>113407484Sounds like /asp/ talk.
cum blasts it happenned so fast i didn't really even know that naz wanted to smash
>>113407484It's not a perfect solution but I think it's a great way to scare artists and riggers into getting their shit together if people are coming out with AI tools to replace them. I would say that the smart ones would see this as a wake up call but the smart ones probably weren't fucking over their clients in the first place
The leaflit fag is seriously still samefagging? It's been all morning bruh move then fuck on
im not mad or scared im just replying on cooldown for an hour because this topic is so interesting to me and i vehemently defend one side for the same reason. btw i have no monetary investment in one side succeeding
>>113407525Scare them into doing what, exactly?Artists who ghost clients or miss deadlines already have every incentive not to do that. Bad reviews, chargebacks, and losing future work existed long before AI models didAnd if, as you say, "the smart ones probably weren't fucking over their clients in the first place", then who is this wake-up call actually for? It sounds less like a solution to a widespread problem and more like a way to punish a group of people for the behavior of a minority within it
>>113407115and this is ascended bat, or, you can call bat 2
>>113407484>>113407525>>113401473>>113401473>>113401473>>113401473Here you go backseat managers.
>>113407475NTA but what's the difference between genuine and non-genuine dislike?For someone going through the motions of asking for rigor, you're sure a fan of loading your whole line of questioning.
>>113407531the leaflit antis are quite feral, i hid the original post hours ago desu. would you like to hear about my daughter krum
someone is gonna use an AI model and 100% gonna cry on twitter how all vtubers are meanies because they don't want anything to do with them
>>113407507>>113407525unironically mindbroken
>>113407539>already have every incentive not to do that.No they don't because they're too poor to sue and it's been too long to chargeback and VTubers have to dox themselves to sue, and many VTubers don't have the clout to get a message out about a bad artist. There is no recourse to righting a wrong done by an artist, and that's why people are starting to make ways to circumvent them
>>113407290need her fat and horny
>>113407554The difference is that you're the one who introduced the idea that they're secretly scared. If someone says "this tool is ugly" "this isn't necessary" or "I don't like AI" then that's straightforward dislike. The burden is on you to explain why those posts are actually expressions of fear rather than people sincerely disagreeing with youAnd I'm not "loading" the question. You're making a claim about other people's internal motivations. That's a much stronger claim than "they don't like the project"
>>113407548>>113407521>>113407036>>113406945WHO IS THIS????
smells like curry in here
>>113407563How so?
>>113407578No recourse? People warn each other all the time. Blacklists exist. Artists build reputations over years and can absolutely lose future work if they become known for ghosting clientsAnd you've quietly shifted from "artists and riggers need to get their shit together" to "small VTubers have little leverage in disputes". Those are different claimsEven accepting that some commissioners get burned and have limited options afterward, how does that become "this entire system lacks accountability"? You're still taking the worst-case scenarios and presenting them as the absolute norm
>>113407592More like backseat managers who forget that outside of pillow nobody really uses the model as a focus for the content.
>>113407592
>>113407583What does NTA mean, retard-kun?Being afraid is a reason to genuinely dislike. Your whole logic is loaded. It's an asinine way to ask for rigor.
>>113407561yes just like deme, powdur, leaflit, neuro, etc etc. we wonnered sisters. meanwhile coqui is a 4view with millions of views for every tweet
Some of these bitches have crazy avatars
>>113407600>Just let an artist scam people for yearsI don't think people are going to go along with that
>>113407633who are you quoting?
>>113407616You inserted yourself into a conversation about whether criticism of Leaflit stems from fear and then got angry when I responded to that topic.>Being afraid is a reason to genuinely dislike.Sure, and then we're back to the original question: what makes you think fear is what's driving these people rather than simple disagreement?>Your whole logic is loaded.No, the logic is pretty straightforward. "People dislike X" and "people dislike X because they're afraid of it" are different claims. The second one requires you to infer someone else's motives, which is exactly what the other guy was doing
>>113407620nobody mentioned coqui or any of those vtubers outside of leaflit. stop stirring shit
Vtubing is mostly collab podcasting, and recorded gaming friend slop discord calls. Let's not pretend that the avatar is a central focus in any streams outside of pillow kino.
>>113407648What else could be meant by>Artists build reputations over years and can absolutely lose future work if they become known for ghosting clients
>>113407041You are paying for>quality>time spent>reserving artists slot>brand>contactsrigging itself isnt really hard and simple works do not take a lot of time.
>>113407633Who's saying that?Pointing out that artists can lose work, damage their reputation, and get publicly called out isn't the same thing as saying scams should be tolerated. You went from "there is no recourse" to "so you think artists should scam people for years," which is a pretty massive leap
>>113407586Why Nazuna and Biboo are fouth world slave females who would put the entire ruling elite in pillory, in all their inexperience, as Emporor of the U.S.A.E.. They are risen up and broken out of such total crap just so.
>>113407592wish it smelled like cunny instead
>>113407653Baffling reply, anons always imagine retarded scenarios. Dont be upset when I provide real examples proving you wrong
>>113407658That bad behavior has consequencesYou interpreted "there are consequences" as "therefore we should just let it happen", which are aren't the same thingIf your position is that those consequences aren't sufficient, then argue that. But pretending I said artists should be allowed to scam people for years is just putting words in my mouth
>>113407667That's the natural conclusion of your argument. You assert that there is recourse but then the only example you give is "after years the artist becomes known for ghosting clients and gets blacklisted". That's years of scamming and abuse they get to do
>>113407686I'm not even arguing, i'm just calling you a faggot for trying to start shit
>>113407665the DYAĀ© BRAND carries a lot of weight. Nobody watched any of the vtubers she modeled for before they got a DYAĀ© BRAND model. Being able to contact the DYAĀ© BRAND was the opportunity of a lifetime.
>>113407689>You interpreted "there are consequences" as "therefore we should just let it happen"Where did I do that?
>>113407701"That's the natural conclusion" according to what?You said there is *no* recourse. I pointed out that reputational damage, blacklists, public callouts, and loss of future work are forms of recourse. You can argue that they're insufficient, but that's a completely different claim from "there is none"And notice how the argument has shifted again. We started with artists missing deadlines and ghosting clients, and now we're talking about "years of scamming and abuse"How common is this supposed to be? Because if your argument depends on artists being able to prey on people for years with no consequences, then that's a much bigger claim than "some VTubers have had bad experiences"
>>113407650I inserted myself because I find you stupid and wanted to let you know why. Your whole logic is "straightforward" because it's loaded and stupid. There's nothing obvious about why people voice dislike and there's nothing straightforward about what makes a dislike genuine or not. Don't be autistic.
>>113407425She bots her comments too?
>>113407676what does U.S.A.E. eman?
>>113407686Can you post the real receipts of these real examples, or just tweets from a literal cartoon character?
vtubers?
>>113407676>biboook now i know yer takin the piss. and women should stay fourthie slaves
>>113406085did they ever release a version of this chart restricted to English streams
>>113407559Fuck you faggot
>>113407726Ultimate Sport American English
>>113407719What else could be meant by>Just let an artist scam people for years
>>113407720There's no recourse for almost every VTuber because they aren't popular enough to call them out and get them blacklisted. Only the top percentile of our liggers have that luxury
>>113407743thanks for answering. I laways wondered that
>>113407592you're not fooling anyone, burger
>>113407739yeah youd like to fuck me u little gayboi
>>113407752Influencers, and public figures politics?
>>113407721If there's nothing straightforward about it, then why are you acting like my question is impossible to answer? You said fear can be a reason someone genuinely dislikes something. I agreeThe disagreement is whether you can just assume that motivation from someone criticizing the tool. If someone says "I don't like this", that tells you their opinion. It does not tell you why they have it
>>113407749That's a summary of your post, a mockery of your idea. Where is the source of this interpretation that you're claiming I made?
>>113407765We're meant to be discussing streams. Not politics revolving around the social media industry.
>>113407752Then the argument is about power imbalance, not a total lack of consequencesA small creator having fewer options doesn't mean there are no consequences for bad actors. And if the issue is that smaller VTubers don't have enough visibility to warn others, how does replacing artists entirely solve that problem? The same accountability issue can exist with any service people rely on
Jakarta rampageTotal SEA domination
>>113407768>>113407765>>113407752>>113407749can both of you kill yourselves retarded niggers go make a log thread
>>113407790jacked off to a great doujin about her today where she goes to walmart and gets raped
>>113407525>but the smart ones probably weren't fucking over their clients in the first placeThe most popular ones were though
>>113407768How is that a summary of my post?
>>113407790Pippa collabed with uwo.
>>113407792How am I a retarded nigger?
>>113407759It's actually and absolutely All Earth As-Is as well.
who was the ra's al ghul of lig
>>113407821Bat.
>>113407683Youāre disgusting and I hope you get arrested for being a pedo piece of shit.
>>113407807Reminder Nano got away scott free after years of willingly taking Sinder's money. It's insane just how untouchable artists are in vtubing community.
>>113407765I actually didn't do anything of the sort. I just pointed out that you come off as really stupid to a third party. You might not have realized that, which is why you're engaged in this behavior.
>>113407816interesting
>>113407840vtubers getting scammed is always a good thing
BAFFLING posts today sisters
>>113407736
>>113407785The argument is that if people feel fucked over enough by the artist and rigger space in the VTuber community then they will find other ways to get models. Leaflit is creating one of those ways, and even though it very likely won't replace the concept of commissioning artists and riggers, the fact that it's being made and even being celebrated by some people is evidence enough that artists and riggers are losing their favor in the community through bad behavior
>>113407850Then what exactly is the point you're making? You aren't explaining why my argument is wrong, you're explaining that you personally dislike how I phrased itIf I'm "obviously stupid" for asking people to separate their opinion from assumptions about their motives, explain why instead of just repeating that you don't like the question
>>113407861The existence of an alternative doesn't prove why people are interested in it. People can like Leaflit's tool because it's cheaper, faster, novel, politically aligned with them, or because they are IndianYou're assuming the reason is that artists and riggers have lost favor due to bad behavior, but that's the part that still needs to be demonstrated. An alternative existing is evidence that there is some demand. It isn't automatically evidence of why that demand exists
Make your closing arguments until next bread. Any posts in the new bread about this shit and I longspam for the rest of the day
who are the JRPG liggers?
Social media politics is not stream discussion.
>>113406573Based boomer with sexy chuuba posters
Imagine defending artists for free
>>113407891you are the biggest pussy on all of 4chan
I actually like watching Jhinxx but her man is so fucking annoying, could she really not do any better?
>>113407302Just put in the contract>estimated time of completion>limit of free revisions>regular checkups>pay after completion
>>113407866No, I did explain it. In fact, I frontloaded the explanation before calling you stupid. You were too dumb to get it. Check yourself.
>>113407912You don't like pussy?
>>113407919You explained that you think the question is loaded. You didn't explain why asking someone to distinguish between "I dislike this" and "I dislike this because I'm afraid of it" is invalid. Those are two different claims. If you think they aren't, explain why
>>113407890That's not something that needs to be quantified or proven, it's the lived experience of many people in the VTubing community, people know inside of themselves whether or not it's true even if they disagree with Leaflit's actions
>>113407911if they commission me to post and defend them Ill do it but only 6 weeks later and after my dog gets sick 15 times and i fall down 6 flights of stairs and break my hand and butt
>>113407911
>>113407933>>113407933>>113407933
Saruei is playing Meccha Chameleon with Deme and the guy who stabbed her. Also Bao, Crelly, Camilla, and Fraiki are there toohttps://www.twitch.tv/psp1g
>>113407914VTubers don't even make contracts with artists or riggers, that's how clients are able to be abused so regularly
I hope juniper watches my gameplay.
>>113407938Then it's still an assertion. "People know inside themselves" is not a substitute for showing that your conclusion follows from the evidenceIf you want to call it lived experience, fine. But that still doesn't make it proof that Leaflit's tool is succeeding because artists and riggers lost the community's trust
>>113407936When even RES realizes you're kind of being a dunce, you're not making a strong case
>>113407985Appealing to who agrees with you isn't an argument. If I'm wrong, explain why the question is wrongLatching onto a schizo is just another way of saying you don't have an answer
>>113407911imagine defending AI
>>113407964This isn't a conditional argument with a binary right or wrong answer, like proving whether an event happened or not, this is an emotional one based off of the feelings and experiences of individuals or groups of individuals. None of what you're asking for proof of needs to be proven or even can be proven, the fact of the matter is that it just "is" and what is being discussed is the "why"
>>113407998You really are kind of hopeless, aren't ypu?
>>113408017Feelings can explain why someone wants an alternative. They don't prove the explanation you're assigning to everyone else. If someone says "I dislike commissioning artists because I had a bad experience", that's their lived experienceIf someone says "artists and riggers are losing favor because of widespread bad behavior," that's a broader claim about a community. You're treating those two things as interchangeable>>113408019I accept your concession of defeat
>>113408029you can't see that RES is a heuristic that should give you some pause
>>113408029Analyzing the feelings of the wider VTuber community is the entire point of this argument. If people aren't getting fed up with artists and riggers, then why is someone making a tool to circumvent them and why are people cheering it on?
>>113408067Because people liking a tool doesn't necessarily mean they dislike the thing it's replacing. People buy cheaper alternatives to products they already like all the time. Convenience, cost, speed, novelty, and personal preference can all create demandYou're assuming the existence of demand proves the specific reason behind that demand. It doesn't. The question isn't "is there interest in Leaflit's tool?" Clearly some Indians are interestedThe question is "does that interest prove a widespread loss of trust in artists and riggers"? That's the part you're adding
>>113407402oh the model she had jaez make for her while she did porn
>>113408089>Because people liking a tool doesn't necessarily mean they dislike the thing it's replacingIt does in this case because the opposite is true. AI is replacing artists, and this tool is an AI tool, so people speaking out against it are doing so in defense of artists, very openly and rabidly they are doing so. If this tool is threatening to replace artists, then people who are supporting the tool must be at least neutral to the idea of replacing artists
>>113408157Not necessarily. Someone can support a cheaper or more convenient alternative without wanting the original to disappearPeople use fast food without wanting restaurants to close. People use digital cameras without wanting photographers to vanishThe existence of a competing option doesn't tell you whether someone dislikes the original, only that they see value in the alternative
>>113407911I get paid ten US cents per post and get a 20% discount on pagpag
>>113406560Change your diaper genericusernamename rin
>>113408176>People use digital cameras without wanting photographers to vanishWhen digital cameras were first invented this exact struggle between artists and AI happened exactly like the struggle between painters and photographers. It happened exactly like this.
>>113408214And the fact that a similar pattern happened before doesn't mean every detail of the current situation is identical. Photography did disrupt painting as a commercial medium, but painters didn't become irrelevant. Many adapted, and painting continued as its own form of expressionThe question isn't whether new technology can disrupt existing work. It obviously canThe question is whether this disruption means the people who adopt the new technology are motivated by wanting to eliminate the old one, or simply by wanting access to a new tool
