>Relying on fans for 3d modelsWhat happened to the phasecon money?
The average debut time to 3d model for phase girls is about 3 years, sinon would be waiting to around 2028 under that schedule. The fan 3d model is allowed by sakana and piggyjumps that plus her booba is big. There is no reason for sakana to overtly favor Gen 4 or whatever number Sinon is in over the previous gens.
>>113585745So they have money to pay for an entire convention but not enough money to commission 3d models for their talents?
>>113585763Why? What has she done?
>>113585784Be part of phase
>>113585704>sinon:"can i use a 3d model" >sakana:" sure thing baby girl">anya:"c-could i use a 3d model?">sakana:"STFU BITCH! DO YOU THINK I MADE OF MONEY!"
>>113585763Nothing, he's just brown.
>>113585755Can you stop being a dumb faggot for once in your faggot life.
>>113585803'he' stinks of fat, female and nijifan.
>>113585811Answer the question, or are you waiting on Fishman to tell you what to say?
>>113585763not your personal army, try trannysky they love being people's personal army
>>113585833based based based
>>113585704>phasecon moneyWhat money?
>>113585704>she can use a fan made 3d model but you can't anyaThey really hated her, black corpo doing black corpo things I guess
>>113585799Sakana is racist against non-chinese people.
>>113585833Based. If only most people are like you. We need more of that.
>>113585704kiara has a fanmade 3D too
>>113585704That's not it!Runie Ruse will design her own 3D model! How could this have happened?!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqUMake sure to tune in to see how bad or evil this model turns out.
>>113585704>What happened to the phasecon money?the spent it all, on PhaseCon
>>113585704she edited out the nipslip
>>113586566Is it not profitable?
>>113585909The money they spent on phasecon, of course
>>113586689they held it in california so no
>>113586696? Qrd? Why held it in california and not profitable?T. JP mainly watcher
>>113585755The quicker you learn that everything is paid through debt accumulation at Phase the better you understand why their talents don't get shit.
>>113586817Phase connect is doing the gunrun strat where they spend money as fast as possible to convince people they are as successful as hololive
>>113585946>>113585799do you have anything to back this claim up?
>>113585799Black company
>>113585755Sakana said in one of his Q&As that rushing 3D cheapens it (he taking a shot at v4m).
>>113587391Yeah but letting their talents use fanmade 3d models doesn'tMake it make sense
>>113585704https://x.com/MidnightByeolha/status/2079233675649319384Something is off. X account made in March 26, tiny Vtuber for "BNP Agency"Made her(?) own 3d vtuber portfolio, then just makes one for Sinon as a fan.https://x.com/MidnightByeolha/status/2079232146750009761Tik tok is of a male vtuber, or is just clips of a male vtuber?https://www.tiktok.com/@roro_v1020?_t=ZS-952nEbBjCTt
>>113587397They likely come from a background in 3D modeling from game design or some other shit. That's not uncommon.
>>113585755fucking Hololive gens wait year+ for a 3D model and you expect Phase who doesn't even show on the agency market share graph will have 3D models in under a year?
>>113587396>talent gets familar with 3d streaming while the official model is in developmetmakes sence
>>113585799more like nobody cared enough about anya to make her a 3d model for free lmao
>>113587391>rushing 3D cheapens itI agree, but waiting 3 years is too much.
>>113587647Apparently 3 years is approximate period to return money that company spent on character’s debut
>>113587703There's no fucking way it takes 3 years to afford a 3D model when you got indies pumping them out like crazy.
>>113586684>nipslipProof?
>>113585799Any one of them can use a fanmade/homebrewed 3D model at any time, Phase can't tell them otherwise. I remember the croc girl making 3D chibi models of her whole gen for a VR collab a month or so after their debut. Anya's situation was probably her wanting to officiate 3D concerts ASAP but it was too early to get Phase's name of approval.
>>113587802show me those indies
>>113587903This girl alone has got what, 4-5+ holo quality 3D models made now in under 3 years? Not even just herself, she's bought from the same places Holo gets their models and even bought models for friends. Not to mention all the other twitch indies constantly shitting out new quality 3D models like Bao, ShyLily, Veibae, Ironmouse, etc. etc. Though I guess the difference here is that these vtubers actually intend to use those models, while Sakana's hellbent on some bullshit seniority order and wasting them on chuubas like Pippa over people actually willing to use their 3D models.
>Mindbroken catalogniggers think a company should do anything for someone who has streamed 61 times in 6 months and made $5k in super chatsMaybe if she had fans to make her a 3d model like Sinon? :)
>>113588009Lmao I expected that you’ll bring Doki that has her connections in China or any other top tier streamers that aren’t relevant because they have fuckload of sponsorship money, you dumbass.
these holo numberfags should never leave containment. All your arguments are mundane and dumb.
>>113588055Connections to china fucking whatNo, retard. She just shops from the same 3D model artists. They're nowhere near as expensive or special as you think they are.
>>113588016anon even holoID lowest income have 3D
Clara made her own models and still got shafted by management. I literally don’t know what this dumb cat thought would happen but given her actual godgiven brain damage she just might have not had any thoughts.
>>113588009>indies>brings up the biggest ex-corpos who were already loaded before debutevery time
>>113588226>he thinks phase connect is hololiveare you the village idiot or something?
sinon owes me sex
>>113587802it's not about affording 3Dit's about not wasting $5k-$10k on a 3D model for a talent who's work ethic and loyalty is unproven and is not bought-in to the program. again, it's like saying as 16-year old gets their drivers license and crying "daddy why did you not get me a new porsche." no, youre not getting a luxury car until you have proven to have a good record. until then, enjoy this used honda civic, or you can go ride the bus.
>>113585755If there is one thing ive learned over the years of watching chuubas is that model artists are ether japanese as fuck and work 15-18 hours a day to get shit done ahead of a deadline or the laziest fucker on the planet who doesn't even finish a model and just scams people
>>113586696Ah yes. The gunrun strategy of "spend a shitload of money to look successful and hope investors fall for it, repeat until the whole thing collapses".
>>113588009>holo quality 3D models
>>113585704This is what being on /vt/ all day does to a brownoid brain, they think phase has holo money and stock options.
>>113589959If phase connect isn't hololive why do phasenigs try so hard to convince everyone they are?
>>113585704she is such a whore she got a simp to do the heavy job for free
>>113585799>imagine wasting 10+k in a brat who barely streams and wasn't even able to pay the debt for her basic live2d model
>>113590655Anya thought so as wellShe really believed all the shit that gets posted on here and twitter about how Phase can compete with holoEN even though their avarage and median is lower than holoID
>>113586689Very unlikely. Even though it was successful on paper the amount they spent on everything was probably still higher than what they earned back. Not to mention they didn't get to sell as much merch as they planned because a ton of it got held in customs and never made it to the con at all, so most of what was old there was fan merch that the company get no profit from.
>>113590655phasecucks when the psyops comes back to bite them
>>113590879Phasefags voted for this
>>113590730phase dumped all their money on the their con, so even if they wanted there wont be another big event they can organize in a whileeven if phase yearly revenue was 5-10mln$ or what ever, they just cant compete to cover whose revenue is around 300mln$ or anycolor which sits at around 350mln$what ever Anya wanted would have to come with a big return, and there is 0 way she could plan anything big enough to be worth it in few first months
>Holo browns jump on the phase hate wagon because of Anya >Cecilia goes on hiatus>Nene suddenly loses hearing in BOTH earsHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>113585811Still waiting
>>113590577>phase>investorslollmao
>>113590577phase has already lasted longer and gone farther than vshojovshojo was throwing away money on itashas and partiesphase has run their on fes and 10+ lives that mog anything vshojo ever did
>>113587396Didn't the Myth girls have multiple unofficial 3D streams before the actual 3D?
>>113593630nice phase deflection, even smaller corpos have better 3d than this shitshow
>>113594505>even smaller corpos have better 3dwhich small corpos have better 3d than phase
>>113594555V4Mirai for startersGlobie had literal 1views with better 3D than Phase
>>113594643>V4Mirai for startersno they dont. they have faster made 3d, that is it.here is "better faster stronger than hololive" v4m doing their maximum: 6 girl group numberhttps://youtu.be/tqmxQ0eBVCQ?t=3291here is phase doing a 9 girl group numberhttps://youtu.be/ubjY0bAJfVk?t=14it's not even in the same league.
>>113594698I didnt realize they had pretty good 3D. Shame about the NTR.
>>113586817NTA but Phasecon only made a little bit of money, it essentially broke even.Though it was never meant to make money directly, it's there to increase market presence, influence and make some of the girls happy that they're in a proper big dick corpo with dedicated conventions.
>>113594698The 3D models are fine but the choreography is completely different. One has them dancing in a static formation while the other feels like they're dancing around each other
>>113595428>One has them dancing in a static formationbecause they have to because of, I would imagine, tech limitations.if you watch their other 6-person group dance from night 2 of the v4m concert, it is the same thing.https://youtu.be/k7kz93V99RY?t=3355or if you are gonna cope and say "no it was just the choreo selection" well then v4m is failing their dancers because phase works with some of the same choreographers hololive does and they are getting the most out of their girls
>>113595530Could it be that the dances were recorded separately? It's easier to adjust complex dance patterns if they are in the same room at the same time with the choreographer so they opt for dancing in unison
Bait used to be better
>>113585704The Phasecon money paid for Phasecon.
>>113595741could be. but get your talents in the same studio at the same time so they can record together. it makes all the difference.what is the point of doing a group dance if every member just sends in a recording? it is 6 solos glued together.
>>113594185Yes.
>>113585799Anya was a terrible vtuber and hire. That being said, if she had any actual fans they could have given her one.
>>113594698>>113595530You're kind of missing the point here.3D concerts are separate from being able and allowed to use models themselves for various purposes. You're also including lighting, choreo, song rights, post production, etc. when only comparing concerts. The same model can look vastly different with any of these changes. In Doki's case, artists like Karakuripower or Mari can just be commissioned to make these models in a range from like 5-10k USD. (with the higher prices mostly involving multiple outfits and hairstyles) While pricey, this is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of a corporate vtuber's debut and design processes, especially for a cryptobro tossing around hundreds of thousands everywhere for projects like PhaseCon.
>>113595903not missing any point. he wrote v4m does 3d concerts better than phase connect. they do not and i am showing him why.
>>113590730>She really believed all the shit that gets posted on here and twitter about how Phase can compete with holoENAnya, you fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders
>>113595945eh, I guess so. I chimed in midway through but my points about the models do apply to the overarching topic of "phase should be focusing on getting 3D models to the members that can actually use them so they can do their jobs."Models are expensive, yeah, (even Doki talked a bit about how much she spent on all the models she ordered for the concert) but I feel like that should've been part of the initial plan when hiring a member to begin with. It seems like common sense to not hire people you can't afford to support, or without a proper plan on what they're actually going to do with the company.
>>113586566>>113586689>>113586696>>113586817>>113594913PhaseCon wasn't expected to break even, it was a shock to sell so many door passes, which is why the merch sales were so fucked up, on top of the point of sale machines screwing upAlso a bunch of merch that was supposed to be in by PhaseCon got held by customs
>>113590617Cartoon Caroon, Movie
>>113596115Phase has debuted 13 new 3D models in the last 7 months I don't know what to tell anybody who is acting like they haven't been supporting the shit out of 3D in the last year.I think the overarching thing should "unless you get 100k or pull in insane supas and have worked hard to demonstrate your hunger to do 3D, you will get 3D when it is time (probably 2-3 years)." prove you are not a flight risk and are committed to the group.Like I posted here: >>113590195 you shouldn't give someone who just got their licenses a new Porsche to drive. You let the bang up a honda civic (ie fanmade, chibi, loypoly 3d) and then when they get a little older and prove themselves they get the upgrade.Go be an indie and do the same fast food 3D concert every indie is doing that's fine that's your business. But it is not gonna be half the quality that it is in hololive or phase connect or v4m. If you have a little patience, it will be worth the weight.
>>113596270*worth the wait
>>113596115They gave her a 2D model to do her job, vtubing. Since when are vtubers 3D by default? When did this transition happen?
i would imagine for a mom and pop company like phase that, in order for them to even consider getting you 3d, the very first thing you have to do is earn back the initial investment that was spent on you for debut.once they get back that investment, more fun shit gets unlocked like outfits etc
>>113596303>When did this transition happen?I think L2D was pushed hard by Nijisanji JP. I don't think Roboco has ever had anything but a 3D model, it wasn't always the industry standard.
in the last 1 year for phase connect 3d>13 new models>4 sponsorship concerts>4 new 3d alternate outfits>2 3d concerts on 2 continents in 6 days>3 official 3d debuts (1 of them live)>2 full gen concerts>2 intergen mega concerts>2 sololives rumored>additional 3d projects that have been recorded but yet to be announced
>>113596681Phase winning hardlosing a single cat won't deter things
>>113585763I think no one should be wishing something that bad to one of our oshis, after all aren't they just giving us entertainment just for free? I mean she got it from her fans and for her fansY2FuIHdlIGRveCB0aGlzIGZhZ2dvdCBhbmQgZG8gYSB1bm8gcmV2ZXJzZSBvbiBoaW0
>>113588009And you do realize that Doki has gone on record saying that she has a problem with managing her money. With all the models and projects she commissions she often stays in debt.
>>113592994how the fuck is niji still making more money than holo??????
>>113597118Nijisanji JP is huge.They barely have any overseas influence but locally they're a media superpower.
>>113597094She also has an accountant and a manager to help reel in her budgets, and several employees she's able to pay with zero issue. Her problems stem from wanting to always pay for more, not that she's been incapable of any particular project.
>>113597094Her tendency to overspend is well known, but I don't know where you read that she often ends up in debt because of it, because that's not true
>>113590657They are not. It's your ooga booga tribalism brain making you feel threatened by them which is why you constantly schizo out about them
SHOW ME THE SINONIPPLES.
>>113585704Paid all the money to dick sucking brown /vt/ mods. Got to let them brownniggers eat pagpags.
>>113598750The phasenig shrieks in horror upon being found out
>>113585704It's almost time!Phase has NO money, so Runie Ruse, from Phase's third generation, Phase Euphoria, needs to create her own 3D model!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vEhYwhWqU
>>113601450>Phase has NO money, so Runie Ruse, from Phase's third generation, Phase Euphoria, needs to create her own 3D model!Runie has 3d.
>>113601450>>113601563runie makes disposable 3d models for sport.some people do 3d stuff for the love of the game and passion, not because they want to clout chase doing "big" concerts with random big liggers
