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>The women Kanata Loved
>Korone over Marine

Lol, she really just tossed her aside like trash
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>>113720130
I have no clue as what the hell you're talking about
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>>113720130
KanaMari is eternal
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>>113720130
How long until one of them also leaves Kanata? It's part of the cycle; it has to happen someday.
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>>113720130
Marine just used her because Kanata was young and inexperienced just like Shion
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>>113720130
>lamy
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>>113720725
>Kanata
>young
?
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>>113720241
Marine used to be basically BFFs with Kanata. The relationships these three have to her are a lot less intimate and long lasting.
Marine threw Kanata away because Ao told her to.
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>>113721097
This ... Marine had very long friendship from early day of Gen4... I never imagine KanaRine end like this
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>>113721160
She wasn't called the leech of hololive for nothing.
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Low effort Marineschizo thread. Watch how it gets pissed at this and then resort to samefagging like there's no tomorrow.
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>>113721263
Only in your head anon and she proof herself already.

For me Goriliver is better than Kanarien
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>>113721160
what the fuck is kanarine you dumbass monkey?
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>>113721293
>anyone that recognizes how Marine is not friends with Kanata is "marineschizo"
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>>113721360
Kanata is the og leech in hololive. She even made a song called leech, she wasn't unaware of it.
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I thought Kanata was Coco's bitch? And she NTR'd Suisei? When the fuck did Marine come into the equation? Also I have a schizo theory as well. Kanata had a crush on Miko but knew she only had eyes for Suisei. So in a way Suisei got her revenge.
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Kanata chose those three for her graduation stream.
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>>113722488
the Kanata Suisei stuff happened before Miko and Suisei got close (same with P*koMiko)
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>>113722488
Sounds like you're an ENfag who only knows JP through clips and /vt/ shitposts.
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>>113720130
Where's Pekora? I thought Kanata gave that ugly fat prostitute some streaming equipment.
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>>113722782
You just described /#/s
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>>113722805
I think it applies to most of this board.
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>>113722517
Exactly.... also Laplus as well but she aren't streaming frequently and helps Haachama at that time
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>>113722488
You know that Coco lived with Kanata for years and she met all of HoloX right?
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>>113723171
I know Laplus admired Kanata greatly but were they actually close?
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>>113723400
Really close and Laplace is "Kusagaki", need correction but deep down she is kind person at her core.
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>>113723411
Ah they did release that song post-grad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTC5kWgW1sQ
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>>113723400
I really think Laplus stay with Kanata when she still new in Hololive was a net positive to Lapchan. At first she was arrogant brat, but after that Laplus becomes kinder toward other in good ways.
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>>113723400
as far as i know, a couple of months after her graduation laplus mentioned that they were still very much in touch on line messaging each other, kanata was even trying to get them to play monster hunters together
no idea about now
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>>113723427
Kanata is the first senpai that Laplus go to their house and Laplus go to Kanata house several times after that and Kanata likes Lap and good to her
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Well .... Taso always very serious about be a good senpai so it is what it is.

Sakamata also likes Kanata as well
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>>113723446
>>113723476
Laplus arranged that "illegal" call-in too. You probably know
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>>113723542
Yes I know...
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There's still a Taso-shaped hole in my heart. I can't watch anything about Kanata without hurting, so I'll have to pass on this.
I'll only be able to watch when she's back.
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>>113723624
It's good and fun news anon and Kekson actually spoiled it lol
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>>113721097
Fanfic-sama ganbatte
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>>113723659
I'm guessing they'll just talk about having hung out together, but that will just make me miss her more.
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>>113723684
They just met recently anon
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The PekoMiko schizo is writting shitty fanfics yet again, huh?
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>>113724011
How many schizos /here/ are motivated by love not hate? Not many. I think this is mostly true btw, Laplus has had a lot going on behind the scenes. Given how fractured Hololive feels lately, they need someone shoring things up who misses the old days.
>yes my dark
I wish her nothing but the best. Good luck.
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>>113720130
You sound like a woman, and not in a good way.
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>>113724198
Why can't you engage with the point?
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>>113722799
Fat ugly prostitute? but Nobody is talking about the shrine maiden who got sneezed on stream at 11pm at night during the bomberman tournament.
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>>113724270
Go back to suki-kira, you larping retard
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>>113724358 (me)
That includes you >>113722799 too
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New unit for Kanata.....
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Kek.....
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>>113720130
They're leeching off someone who graduated like a year ago? What the fuck kind of stream premise is this
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>>113724808
Maybe they liked her? Stop acting like the retards in /#/
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>>113724808
We love it
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>>113720130
Korone and Kanata shared the same brain. I don't know where this Marine rat came from but true fans know how close kanakoro
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>>113725146
The Marine thing is partly true. They were very close, and when Kanata was graduating Marine even said that she wasn't there for her when Kanata was having a rough time that last year.
So it's definitely true that they were close and grew somewhat apart, though the Ao part is just guesswork.
But yes, also Korone and Kanata had been good friends for a long time as well.
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>>113722488
>And she NTR'd Suisei?
That was some kind of misunderstanding and they resolved it. Suisei said it herself.
Stop spreadimg rrats.
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>>113725146
You didn't even watch Kanata if you think she wasn't close to Marine.
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I made this thread to try and bait Marineschizo, but only the chink monkey who can't even make a sentence in English showed up NOOOO
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>>113725238
>the Ao part is just guesswork.
Not at all. Kanata and Marine were actively talking to each other right up to until Marine had a drunk sleepover with Ao after holofes.
After that Kanata never brought up having any kind of private communication with Marine again.
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This entire thread is peak women behaviour.
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>>113725726
Oh sorry
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>>113725736
But that didn't happen because “Ao told her to” as you said earlier
Marine became so obsessed that she lost sight of the people around her, especially in the first few months.
More than two years have passed, and some ppl here still try to absolve Marine of all blame and simply portray Ao as the one who forced Marine to do everything while holding a gun to her head.
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>>113720130
This is just going to make me really sad
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Glorpo broke up with Flybol who lost mad aura and now Spronkly is the new bitch
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>>113725787
Of course Marine is to blame for going along because she never had to, but Ao is deeply manipulative (Ao herself admits this). Marine deserves all the blame for letting that thing take such deep roots in her life, but there's several reasons for why I believe it's not as simple as "Marine is obsessed with Ao and doesn't care about anyone else now".
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The good news is Kanata got a job now...

And she will never comeback....
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Marine got a no Aura boyfriend and that's why she is no longer allowed in the super cool girls group at the studio
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>>113725894
That's horrible news. I really want to hear her sing again...
what kind of a job?
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>>113725998
Boob job
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>>113726070
that's even worse
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>>113725894
>>113725998
Didn' Kson just say she was (still) unemployed?
Like a few weeks ago?
In any case, good for her.
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Miko-san!!! Where is my Kuso thread seal!
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>>113726142
She got jobs recently and trying hard about it and actually Kson also hint about it...but I forget to post in here
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>>113726168
Good thread keep do it
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>>113726142
It should like " Kanata is trying her best in different place" by context I think a new job already because Korone also say Kanata won't come back
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>>113725757
Don’t be sexist. We have to admit to ourselves that men are huge dramatic gossiping faggots and always have been.
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>>113720130
They really like leeching from Kanata huh, She's like the most leeched graduated member despite being the recent one to graduate.
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I actually like Aomari
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>>113722799
lol you can just tell that this was written by an obese 35P
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>>113725787
Ao is honestly one of the worst things that happened to hololive
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>>113726624
Retard.... we just capitible to like someone
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>>113726713
....... I don't want to judge but I can't sympathize to Ao even graduation.... Sakamata actually had solid reason and try her best to be decent people for Taso... but in Ao case.....
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>>113725787
Don't say this in front of Ao schizo
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>>113726778
>>113726812
Yo momma
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>>113720130
Kanata was just THAT bad at fucking
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>>113725787
>>113725859
Get a job, Marineschizo
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>>113727759
>thinking two different people are the same person
You're the schizo
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>>113728145
The voice in your head that you consult to reply to yourself isn't another person. You're just insane and talking to yourself.
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>>113728220
Retard.
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>>113723624
she will never come back anon, she's not the sort that goes back on her determination like that (though I want her to in this case).Cover broke her, and there's no putting her dreams back together again. At best, you'll get her streaming with Kson, fully fleshed.
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Holodori is so accurate
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Imagine how fucking retarded you have to be to think this is leeching when they are doing it for the fucking heimins you industrial shit parasites, retarded larpers never cared a single bit about 'tazo and it fucking shows.

I for one am glad to know she's doing her best and keeps in touch with her friends, and in particular I'm very happy to know she didn't an hero.
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I'm kind of left wondering why isn't there any stories from holos about Ao.
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>>113728234
>>113729640
Your fanfiction is trash.
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>>113730090
tard
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>>113729879
She's chained up in Marine's basement and Marine doesn't allow her to talk to anyone unsupervised.
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>>113729879
Because = corporate NDA. She's reincarnated already, life goes on.
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I thought the "mean girls rumorslop" thing was a meme, I didn't think you faggots were actually like this what the fuck.
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>>113730711
She literally just had an IRL fan meet.

>>113730841
That's bullshit. Every other graduate has someone talking about them every so often.
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>>113730896
There's no "mean girls" being talked about here though?
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>>113730841
People talk about aqua and Kanata all the time
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is kanata back yet
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>>113732511
No, check back in next week
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>>113729820
https://youtu.be/qG1HQ9-QlPI?is=8_tpCOYQSVQC_iQm
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Lo
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Marine won
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>>113732448
Regarding the more social stuff you mean? Regloss wasn't around as long as the main Hololive gens and Dev_IS is a different branch anyway. It would be like Ririka or Raden leaving.
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>>113733506
Ao was around almost exactly as long as Coco down to the exact number of days.
>different branch anyway
You know she had genmates in that same brand, right? There was a time when she talked about them like they're the only friends she has ever had. It's pretty strange how they have no contact with her anymore.
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>>113733604
>Around early to mid-2019: the company had about 20 employees
>COVER Corporation had 679 employees as of May 2025
You're welcome to all the conspiracy theories you want but it's a different place from when Coco entered, and when Ao left. That's just the reality.
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>>113722799
>ugly fat prostitute
Why bring your mother into this conversation?
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>>113729640
Even Kson want that but fail anon
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>>113733604
It not about time but legacy or impression left to other Holomems and Coco always bring the best side of other and positive to the end. And Coco legacy still live as streaming template which Hololive still use to this day.
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>>113720130
>>113720725
>>113721160
>>113721263
>>113721521
Get the rope marineschizo
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>>113735166
Huh???? Why me including too?
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>>113721360
Hang and rape all yurifaggots
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>>113735187
Because you're the worst of all
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>>113733604
She often badmouthed her genmates to other senpais. Like that one time she cancelled a scheduled collab with Raden and then told Miko that Raden stood her up even thought she's the one who cancelled the collab in the first place.
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> O kind one, Who use her own death for leading the way of salvation and retribution before high heaven.
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> A sorrow soul who weep for the departed and yearn to survive. Rise again, for the angel and people who also desires her best of life.
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> O strong one, The one who bore all the evil and hatred and died along with it. She who shares this burden with no one and won in the end.
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Q : what is a definition of Hololive?

A : It's story full of struggling, blood , taers, fear and joy. It's story of "life"itself.
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>>113729879
Because nobody liked her, it's funny how when she debuted she claimed to be a huge fan of Suisei and when Suisei didn't even say a word to her she went off with Marine and ruined her momentum
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>>113729879
It's a very long story but tldr she is manipulating people and several Hololive mems paid that price
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>>113736813
These episodes make all the retards who continue going "Regloss is 5 people!!" so annoying.
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>>113739103
Ao never want to be Re_Gross but want to be part of Micomet's friend
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I really think Mekpark is necessary because of Ao incident.
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And Hololive changes strategy to focus more about old gen also because of Ao incident and may relate to no new EN5
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>>113738630
Polka once asked her what her favorite Suisei songs were and she couldn't name a single one.
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People in here may unnoticed but Ao is " catastrophe " level in Hololive history behind the scene.

Hololive heavily suffering because of this
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>>113739378
> Even Polka want to expose this Ao
Nice Polmao
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>>113723212
Retard
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>Marine is a vapid, one note shitter who is also a lazy whore
>It's Ao's fault she's not popular anymore!
Kek Marinefags trying so hard itt. She was already a cunt before the tranny came along. She ditched Miko and left her to deal with the gay novel incident. She is the reason why PekoMiko broke up and she tried to break MiComet up when Miko was dealing with a family tragedy by trying to get Suisei and Aqua to kiss on her collab with help from her cunt friend Pekora. You Marinefags need to face reality. Nobody controls her or her bitch behavior.
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>>113740006
>Nobody controls her
I don't dislike Marine but this should be obvious. She's an adult. Everything else in this thread seems like silly rumors.
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>>113740006
>one note shitter
she has some of the most popular music in the company
is one half of one of the biggest duos in the company
is one of the best artists in the company
and is one of the sexiest holos in terms of content and appeal
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>>113740119
To makes everything clear in here may cause unnecessary problem arise and this definitely not in Kanata's final wish but if we left it untouch then Dramafaggot may use Kanata 's corpse as their bullet. ( Actually they did already but Heimin blasted their ass off)

So... the best way is let her story become " legend" in here.....
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>Marine speaking to Kanade
This game is so inaccurate
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>>113740370
This game live in 2022 Hololive era
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>>113740163
>Doesn't refute any of the points of her pre-Ao cunt behavior
>Instead "she popular!"
Kek typical Marinefag response.
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天使の愛は民のために

Ah――天使よ 目覚めよ
Ah――へい民よ 生きて

滅びの空へ拳を掲げ
愛はまだ燃えている
やさしい声が遠く消えてく
瓦礫の都 風が泣いた

比類なきなんて欲しくなかった
ただその笑顔守りたかった
祈りを抱いて 罪を背負って
孤独な険しい道へ歩き出す

誰も知らない涙の理由
誰も許さぬ天使の選択
憎まれてもいい 裁かれてもいい
へい民が明日へ進めるなら

龍の精霊よ胸に宿れ
悲しみさえも力に変えろ

天使の愛は民のために
この身を焦がす炎
偽りの名を纏っても
希望だけは渡さない

天使の愛は民のために
涙を拳に変えて
壊れた世界の果てまで
救済の道を開け

ホロライブよ....泣かないで
私はまだ"戦える"
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(update)
Reminder that
>Ao has been welcomed at marine's house with food made by her.
>"Sasuga Ao-kun no Kanojo-san" -FBK.
>Marine bought merch and plushies of Ao.
>Ao also cooks for marine and takes care of her when she is sick
>Take baths together frequently
>They went to the pool together, playing and fooling around in the water.
>They spent the first days of the year together.
>They spend their time at each other's house.
>Ao has already introduced Marine to her mother
>Marine has met more family members and has even accompanied Ao to babysit her relative.
>They go for aimless walks while talking for hours
>They sleep in each other's arms and have a routine me space designed for eachother.
>They share clothes and buy matching clothes
>They text each other daily
>They make late night phone calls
>Watch series and movies together
>They go to late screenings together
>Go to eat together frequently
>Sticking their fingers in each other asses
>Other holos have talked about how incredibly close they are. Treating them as a couple (and not the jokingly "TeeTee!!")
>Shion contradicted and denied that Marine treated Ao as a sister.
>Get sick at the same time (4 times now)
>“It's a little awkward in collaborations because we don't know how to act” "The interactions behind the scenes are quite deep, and I don't know how to talk about it on stream- MRN"" “What are you doing off stream!? - FBK”
>Spending 90% of their time together
>Marine introduced Ao to her dad and sister
>Marine has Ao's mom's LINE, and they're close enough to chat from time to time.
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>>113740966
友人たちの笑い声が響いた
共に過ごした日々が胸を刺した
愛する民を救えるのなら
天使は悪名も 抱いて眠る

優しさだけじゃ届かぬ未来
ならばこの命で闇を裂く
許されなくていい 忘れられていい
ただ一つだけ 願いを残す

>生きよ へい民よ 明日を選べ ( live Heimin live)
>天使の涙を 越えて行け

天使の愛は民のために
太陽よりも熱く
この身が闇に沈んでも
希望だけは渡さない

天使の愛は民のために
すべてを敵に回し
憎しみの矢を受けながら
未来へ道を開け

龍から決意よ 空を裂け
聖なる拳いよ 燃え上がれ

>へい民の笑顔が 続くのなら
>この敗北さえ 勝利と呼ぼう

愛はへい民のために 罪は天使のために
光よ どうか 明日を照らせ

In the name of kindness, all evil ends with her.
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>>113740370
I believe was mostly written in 2024.
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>>113738630
while I don't always like comet I do appreciate that she knows how to spot a fake. she also gave some advice to kanade when monday asked how to be seen as a more music focused holo
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>>113741668
2025 Hololive is unbearable
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>>113740006
>She ditched Miko and left her to deal with the gay novel incident.
In what way? Marine was the one actually handling it by talking things out with the author while Miko sat back.
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It has always been an Ao problem. She is the biggest fumble hire of all time. Hitomi Chris / Necromancer have nothing on her.
You can refer to the well documented JP source of all her misdeeds (Just use translate if you don't do reps):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QFBUOWXYla-mc3fhfV4xi7Tor31k4ndGIleSIdKy9aA/edit?tab=t.0
Also, always notice how the Ao criticisms are only countered by calling you "Marineschizo"?
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>>113742120
..................sadly but ....yes
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>>113742120
The latest update is pretty insane, considering she still has full access to everything in Marine's home.
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>>113720130
Eh? Holos just change their best friends all the time, i tho luna and suba were close but then it became Poluna and Subaru with Okayu ?

Okayu and Korone had to made a video that they were not mad and drifting from eachother
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>>113742712
Marine was best friends with Kanata for 4 years + who knows how much longer before hololive. Now she has no friends in hololive.
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I'm sorry, but if they get along so well even with all the attitudes shown in front of Marine, it just means that Marine also has a percentage of snake inside her.
He cannot be excused solely with lobotomy and voodoo tricks performed by Ao.
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>>113743144
It would be really sad if she gets terminated, but if it happens it will be completely deserved.
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>>113742852
Yeah..... Marine even bathed in KanaCoco house and had fun together...even YuujinC laugh about this in background noise.

To think that Marine becomes like this is sad....KanaMari end us like this really is tragedy
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>>113742120
Are there any other good resources like this for other drama?
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>>113744217
JP schizo shit isn't a "resource"
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>>113745185
It's literally a collection of things Ao has said. How is it not a resource? Because you don't understand Japanese?
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>>113745185
It actually well detailed document
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>>113745185
>Posting proof is schizo now
Anon...you ok?
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>>113741828
Sui-chan also made a surprise appearance on Ririka's stream earlier this month to play shadowverse with her.
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>>113738252
>>113738347
>>113738438
Faggot.
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>>113745329
Have you never seen crazy JP shit before? I don't even waste my time now
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>>113745421
What's "crazy" about a google doc that literally only compiles timestamps of Ao saying things?
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>>113745467
Anyone who goes out of their way to compile a google dockey is almost certainly guaranteed to be a fucking nutcase
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>>113723446
>>113723488
Holy ESL
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>>113745386
Melty
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>>113745521
As opposed to what? Making shit up?
I believe there's a term for that here.
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>>113745521
>NO NO NO THIS IS NOT PROOF THIS SCHIZO BABBLE
Move goalposts more, jackass.
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>>113745521
Anonchama..... do you really think who watch Vtuber are the sanitiest people?
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>>113745549
What's next, posting NOTE machine translation lol. Continue your downwards slide by all means
>>113745548
Indeed, the term is rrat. /vt/ anons beware
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>>113745543
I'm sure your mom had one when she gave birth to trash like you.
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>>113745571
Your denial is amusing.
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>>113745571
>literal timestamps and quotes
>r-r-rrat
Pathetic.
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>>113745572
Melty so hard kek
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>>113745386
Shut up Phasecuck
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>>113720241
same
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>>113740508
yeah I took you to task for telling lies, i'm not concerned about your opinions of her, just the slander
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>>113745185
>>113745421
>>113745571
Your denial is only making gonna make it worse for you. You're like a mealworm struggling as its being fed to an axolotl.
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I saw marine's dildo reincarnated a while ago, did she quit again yet
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>>113749010
She's live now.
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weird era of hololive
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>>113749187
>moonafags still think they are part of the team
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>>113749187
Pekora said four words to Moona, and from then on brownindos never let Pekora go.
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>>113749957
Yeah... it's very kino moment and beautiful
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>>113750322
Stfu you dumb yellow monkey
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>>113749187
Micomet is strong as ever.
PekoMoona? Nonexistent. It's only PekoVivi now.
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>>113745756
>>113745802
You have psychosis.
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>>113750322
She ain't gonna eat whatever that is.
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Ao
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>>113752403
PekoVivi also good bro don't be aggressive
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>>113749187
For me.... I really don't know about KanaSui ship except Hoshi no Kanata and Dokyusei era.... it would be more accurate if they are talking about Kanata NTR Watame with Coco... Why Suisei?
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>>113752464
She ate hamburger instead because it may too hot for Pekora but Moon also put red chillies in hamburger too and Pekora screams for this....
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An Angel’s Love Is for the People

Ah—O Angel, Awaken
Ah—O Heimin, Live On

Raising my fist toward the sky of doom
Love still burns
A gentle voice fades into the distance
In the city of rubble, the wind cries

I never wanted to be “unparalleled”
I just wanted to protect that smile
Holding my prayers, bearing my sins
I set out on a lonely dangerous path

The reason for these tears, known to no one
The angel’s choice, which no one will forgive
Let them hate me, let them judge me
As long as Heimin can move forward toward tomorrow

O Dragon Spirit, dwell within my heart
Turn even sorrow into strength

The angel’s love is for the people
The flame that consumes my very being
Even if I must don a false name
I will not surrender hope

An angel’s love is for the people—
Turn tears into fists,
And all the way to the edge of this broken world,
Open the path to salvation.

Hololive... don’t cry...
I can still “fight.”
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>>113760708
Laugh sound of my friends echoed through the air.
The days we spent together pierced my heart.
If it means saving the people I love,
an angel will sleep even with a tainted name.

A future that kindness alone cannot reach
then I’ll use this life to tear through the darkness.
I don’t need to be forgiven, I don’t mind being forgotten.
I leave behind just one wish.

>Live Heimin! Choose tomorrow. (“Live Heimin live!”)
>Go beyond the angel’s tears

An angel’s love is for the people—
Hotter than the sun.
Even if this body sinks into darkness,
I will not surrender hope.

An angel’s love is for the people—
Turning everything into an enemy,
While taking the arrows of hatred,
I’ll clear a path to the future.

O resolve from the dragon, tear through the sky!
O holy fist, blaze forth!

>If the smiles of Heimin continue,
>then let’s call even this defeat a victory.

Love is for Heimin Sin is for the angel.
O light, please illuminate tomorrow.

In the name of kindness, all evil ends with her.
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>>113742120
I guess the parts about ReGloss are useful, but what about the rest of the document, which is literally useless information?
Why is there a section on “games she used to play”? Who the hell cares if she likes to play Slither.io?
Or times when she's mentioned in regular streams where not much is said, like with Okayu
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>>113762789
>Why is there a section on “games she used to play”?
Because there's a timestamped link to her saying "I never played games before this".
>she's mentioned in regular streams where not much is said, like with Okayu
Why ignore what was said? She mysteriously joined an off-stream chat between Marine and Okayu for quite literally no reason after she had been removed from hololive.



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