Is the EN scene on its deathbed?>NijiEN in completely collapse>HoloEN forcing members to move to Japan and speak in Japanese and pushing out members who can't or won't>Vshojo, the primary normalfag channel, completely destroyed and its members scattered to the winds>Phase constantly riddled with drama and scandals>Indie corpos constantly in a state of scandals and collapse
IRyS 1.0 is cute there I said it
Everyone formerly vshojo is doing even better than they ever had, and not just because they're actually getting paid now. Phase has no drama or scandals apart from what nijisisters are hallucinating.Also what the fuck is an "indie corpo" you fucking moron. Niji is dead but they shot themselves in the face, that much is true.
>>113754426GoblinRyS did grow on me over time.
Indies don't need corpo structure to function
>>113753539>HoloEN forcing members to move to Japan and speak in Japanese and pushing out members who can't or won'tRemind me again, who's being pushed out of Holo EN specifically for being unwilling or unable to move to Japan and speak Japanese? For that matter, who exactly is leaving Holo EN for any reason at all? Nobody has left in over a year, and the only two members who've left in the past 18 months haven't exactly been the most prolific streamers since their departure.
>>113754536I mean look at Gura and Ame. They stream just as little as before without management getting in the way!
Not at all. Big corpos like Cover, Anycolor, and Brave failed to win the EN scene. Doesn't mean the scene can't be won. If anything, it's up for grabs. The demand is there, for whoever finds the way to grab it.
>>113753539there's no scandals in the indie scene unless you watch literal whores
>>113753539>Indie corposI don't think you understand what an indie is
>>113754684They are legit retired, like old peoplehas money and no health
>>113753539Mouse seemed to be doing fine during her 16 hour stream today.
>>113754684>without management getting in the wayEeeeeh I dunno about that one chief
>>113754481sound like you are the nijinigger that is hallucinating.
>>113753539yeah but it will be a while, its a very slow process and i dont think it will ever be gone entirely
>>113753539Yes
>>113753539I used to put on EN holos in the background while I worked just to have something other than silence.Recently I've started feeling like most of them are worse than silence.
>>113753539EN is doing just fine BAU BAU
its never beeen more over
>>113753539>>Indie corposwe just call them small corpos you retard
>>113753539I think Venture Trade Co. is doing fine.What you are seeing is the rot washing away to make way for better talent.Also, Phase has no drama, nijisister.>>113754688Literally this.
>>113753539It's a failed venture. Hololive should cut off funding on subsidized branch which is entirety of HoloEN just like what they did to the homos other corpos will follow suit.
>>113753539>Indie corpos
>>113753539Indies are fine, phase is fine outside of a dumb and/or crazy bitch every couple years. True about the rest though, sucks.
Is it
>>113756343i know what you mean, i replaced music with streams but i switched back to music now
>>113754481>Phase has no drama or scandals Isn't one of their girls literally graduating due to problems with management.
>>113753539Holy fuck this is awful
>indie corposHe doesn't know what a small corpo is.....
>>113754688>>113758523Hololive was 95% of the EN scene in 2020, the entire reason they have lost and are now like 20% is because they NEVER debut new generations, the existing vtubers get lazy and stop streaming and people move on or find a random 19yo shrimpcat to sexpest even though they're 43 and balding.
>>113759425What? Give me a qrd then
>>113763297>Hololive was 95% of the EN scene in 2020, the entire reason they have lost and are now like 20%What alternate relative do you guys live in? lmao
>>113763536The alternate reality where we literally have charts showing 50% of viewship among english speakers goes to indies and niji+holo have about 40% combined.
>>113753539>>Indie corpos
>Forcing the girls to move to Japan, just in time for the jap PM to introduce stricter standards to live there They will all be forced to move back eventually.
>>113754426on her own yes but it stick out in collabs.
>>1137535391. NijiEN ate themselves alive, most people liked them until the drama started dropping and Selen was the last straw. The only way it could be saved is scrubbing EN clean and restarting with entirely new people at some point. 2. Japanese corpo be Japanese corpo, if there really is that much pressure other move I can see more people leaving.
>>113753539Yes. There never was an "EN scene", only twitch grifters and fleshtubers who tried live2d once.Vtubing is a Japanese hobby for Japanese streamers and the only group that matters (HoloEN) is going to pander hard to JP audiences and exist in the shadow of main branch from now on.
>>113764070i hope so, they need to all be banned from japan so they'll actually stream
>>113763589>The alternate reality where we literally have charts showing 50% of viewship among english speakers goes to indiesA hundred ants are ultimately still weaker than a single bear
>>113766411there are no bears in indonesia
>>113766411Filipinos are the ants
>>113754684>how do I make this about gura ?!Go kiss a crocodile Camilo
>>113763589Imagine how many 2view whores and trannies are required to have 50% of viewership a single Holo can achieve
>>113753539People getting into fights with management and then leaving happens at every company, in every field and industry.It's a normal part of life. When it happens to Vtubers at a Vtuber company people try to frame it like some kind of happening or like it means something.
>>113766072>restarting with entirely new people at some pointBy the Beat felt a little bit like that and thankfully they seem to be doing ok.>>113766679I guess it feels way more significant when its a popular person the viewers have feelings for.
>>113766411Ah yes, the pound of feathers is lighter than the pound of lead.
>>113766791>it feels way more significant when its a popular person the viewers have feelings for.That's why smart chubas maintain a professional distance with their fans.
>>113753539No, only niji and phase are dying out
>>113770496phases numbers have improved YoY and is in a position to start pushing real 3-D, doesn't seem like a company that is on the downturn
>>113754481>Phase has no drama or scandals In 2026 Phase has had the biggest scandal of the year out of any vtuber corpo, and not only have more talents left the company in the last six months than in its entire previous four and half years, but there have been more Phase graduations than Hololive and Niji graduations combined this year. You could've argued Phase was mostly drama-free up to the end of 2025, but 2026 has objectively been their worst year yet by a huge margin.
>>113759425thats not a drama or scandal
>>113770747>2026 has objectively been their worst year yet by a huge margin.They debuted their best gen yet and had their first con that went very well
>>113770747Graduation isn't drama or scandals hallucinating nijisister
phase
>phasefaggots pretending their cancerous fanbase didn't publicly harass their own talent out of their own company over doxxshit>phasefaggots pretending /pol/shit hasn't rotted their community so much that no one outside of their grifter bubble wants to associate with them
