>>113767156
There's more money and opportunities if you're a fleshy

midas was only good when she was doing shorts. her streams suck.

>>113767156
I mean you're not gonna watch her even if she does this so

>>113767156
it's the "have your cake and eat it" problem
chuuba wants to go fleshie, her fans wouldn't like it
that's not even mentioning yet that normgroids still has this wack hateboner for anything relating vtubers in general, whatever fuckass reason it may be

>>113767186
Probably even more by being both fleshy and virtual, if you can pull it off.

>>113767156
Never should have gone in person to begin with. There has never been a reason to do it

>>113767531
Yeah I saw several groid replies saying vtuber fans are weird, disgusting, parasocial freaks for expecting a vtuber to stay virtual

>>113767186
Then why was Rushia the biggest earner?

>>113767569
One of the biggest appeals for being a vtuber was the anonymity. If people are going to go to cons in person and show themselves anyway, then they should just be a fucking flesh streamer

I was able to drop a bunch of vtubers after this offkai. Never watching berrycrap and friends ever again. Filtering through all the whores has been a long process

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>>113767619
>was
IS* michael catto has big boing boing too

>>113767156
From
>mixed reality is fine, but only if lowkey
To
>Never be seen offline or online ever with their flesh, even if they have another job like act as an idol. This includes handcam.
Good for Midas. Saw the current state of vtubing at Offkai and drew the right conclusions.

>>113767156
The appeal of vtubing is the mystery part it you remove it you become another fleshy and have to compete with other fleshies.
The more you whore out yourself the more people of that type will be attracted to you. You will be judged by how you look and even when interacting with others you would be constantly belittled

Good luck to her if she has an audience who is okay with her being 2.5 vtuber then she will retain them but she will lose quite a bit of them in this process.
Is she a 4view?

>>113767837
What's the total footfall of offkai? Is it more than 6k per day?

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>>113767156
>>113767851
>she barely streams
niggas acting like this is a landmark decision

>>113767569
>You want to separate performance from person behing it? PARASOCIAL
To this day I wonder how those people function in daily life without brain.

>>113767933
>he doesn't know

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>>113767156
>Learnt a lot about the current state of vtubers, vtuber fans, and new clarity to how watered down and flippant everything has become.
What did she actually think vtuber fans were like before? That everyone would just accept fleshposting and keep being Yes-men?

>>113767186
The most successful corpo/non corpo chuubas are the ones that are fully virtual just saying

>>113767837
The thing that caught me off guard was the comment about not expecting to see vtubers at a Vtubers convention. Yes, people expect to see the characters, not the people behind it. It was originally for fans but then the Vtubers themselves decided to go and use it for “networking”. We all know “networking” means sleeping around. The con organizers push for the vtubers to go in person by paying for their flights and accommodation. The biggest groomers in vtubing are the con organizers

>>113768212
>It was originally for fans but then the Vtubers themselves decided to go and use it for “networking”
this is my biggest gripe with the western side of the hobby for the past couple of years
it's less about putting on cool shows for its own sake and more about just calling yourself a vtuber to get invited into these networks and enjoying the prestige of it
being part of the audience is a FOMO-laden shame now rather than a fun experience

>>113768411
Vtubers themselves never should have gone in person and cons never should have paid for them to travel there. I remember someone saying they paid for her airfare and accommodation, she flew from halfway across the world. Why do cons need to do this when they can do everything from home? It’s virtual

>>113767156
I wasnt aware that Offkai is no longer for the fans by the fans? Now it is first and foremost for vtubers to “network”

I guess that is what things like holofes and PhaseCon so much more special compared to Offkai. Those are for the fans.

>>113768038
It was kind of normalized back during the heights of vshojo, not necessarily by vshojo of course. But the fans and vtubers that orbit around them loves fleshposting.

>>113768212
>It was originally for fans but then the Vtubers themselves decided to go and use it for “networking”
I've noticed this too. Kind of sad to think about that something that was meant for the nerdy masses that enjoy vtubers has now shifted focus slightly to be more about the vtubers themselves attending and doing their stuff. Which of course leads to more comments about how creepy vtuber fans are (because they're usually unattractive which is kind of expected in this space anyway)

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>hmph showing your face is.... le bad
>but haha incels don't you know girls le network at le cons?
God
I'm so tired of women and woman logic

>>113767186
Not really, especially for a 2view.

>>113768874
Say le again

>>113768740
I was gonna say Ironmouse, Zentreya, post-vtubing Vei, Haruka, Geega, Henya, Melody don't fleshpost. Only Froot, Silvervale, Nyanners, and Matara do.

>>113767156
Good to know that this bitch is just as much of a pontificating self-appointed authority on everything as her thumbnails suggest.

>>113768411
>this is my biggest gripe with the western side of the hobby for the past couple of years
Same. The logic behind vtubing is that the creator is selling a service to the audience (entertainment, gfe, idolshit, whatever), meaning both sides get something out of it. Too many of them now, though, seem to have total contempt for the "providing a service" part, and instead apparently feel like the whole arrangement exists purely for their convenience and benefit.

>>113769115
lemon

>>113769175
woman

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This is the proper response to seeing your oshi deliberately fleshposting or showing herself in the flesh at places like offkai

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>>113767156
>'ENwhores and 3DPD-faggotry are ruining vtubing'
>'NOOOOO chuddie, let women have fun!'
>5 years later
you are now here

>>113767156
translation:
a) I'm ugly as fuck and was recognized and people were disgusted and dropped me
or
b) I'm hot as fuck and now people stalk me and push me to do more flesh content and give up being a vtuber
Either way, she's right, if you're a vtuber just to vtuber stuff or just be a fleshie and be done with it

>>113767156
What's the matter, she didn't get an invite to the OffKai orgy?

>>113768038
That's how twitter behaves, yes.
But none of them are watching streams.

Their so called networking is going to get drunk and high at parties. Then sleeping with guys who get in because of money, friends, or whatever else

>>113769403
Correct response.

>>113769403
Based viewer and I bet she is that ugly

>>113769331
To be fair that does sound like fun

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Both the vtuber and the fan are socially awkward and don't know how to interact, this is just a result of brainworms

I want Bae to come up to me at Holofes and then say "cheesed to meet you"

>mid Asian girl with a covid mask comes up to you
>hey its me, your oshi!
How do you respond?

>>113769633
Rape

>>113769595
Conventions are a mistake.

>>113769633
>Ew, get away from me, WHORE! I only talk to pure anime girls.

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>current state of vtubers, vtuber fans, new clarity on how watered down and flippant everything has become

sorry i'm retarded. what does she mean by this?

>>113769633
puke on her then unbound my secret chakra [[Rape of The Reptile]] then rap all over her

Saw lots of vtubers "networking" with the Densetsu manager Steiner

>>113769689
Conventions for fans are fine. But there is no reason for vtubers themselves to attend in person

>>113769808
Granted.

>>113767186
The overwhelming majority of all content creators are fleshies, including all of the utterly unsuccessful ones.
Vtubers occupy a band of success below the absolute biggest fleshies (though increasingly close) but on average much more successful than the average fleshie.

This drama is purely from fleshies that thought they'd buy a model and capitalize on a trend before circling back to squirting over a camera on OF and fansly, and now they're mad because they don't understand that they've accessed a completely different audience from the indians that pay them 5 rupees per orgasm and don't like that they're being held to a different standard than literal streetwalking sexworkers.

>>113769808
they want to live their lives, have fun and socialize. being a vtuber is where they put all their time and effort, or at least a significant part. its only natural they would want to use it to socialize

>>113769919
They can socialize elsewhere

>>113769919
Conventions should be for the fans, not for women to network

>>113768740
The flesh streamer males that orbit them openly chastise vtubers who prefer to stay completely virtual. They act like you're cowardly or weird for not showing skin.

>>113770029
Sexpests being sexpests? No way

>>113769549
It sounds horrible, normie.

>>113769595
Look at this pickme whore

>>113769633
euhhh my immersion

>Why do vtubers get mad about the Virtual aspect of vtubing?
You say that like viewers don't get mad about every aspect of vtubing.

>>113769633
"I didn't think it would look like that..."

>>113767665
Lol. What did Berry do that has your feathers ruffled?

>>113770224
Given the thread topic I’m guessing it’s about her attending offkai in person

>>113770288
Don't a fuck ton of chuubas attend in person but still do the digital meet and greets? I really don't understand why going to a con about Vtubers while being a vtuber is some mind breaking thing for some people

What did V4Mirai's girls do this time?

>>113770103
The 2 things we don’t get mad about are the 2 things in the name. 1. Virtual, not flesh whoring and 2. Tubing, so actually streaming. In my experience vtuber fans love these 2 things. Better luck next time bitch

>>113770319
Tell me you are a tourist without telling me you are a tourist

>>113770319
Accidentality bumping into your oshi when they aren't in their online persona is very common at these cons, most people don't take well to their perception of another being shredded particularly well.

>>113770026
Offkai needs to decide if it's for vtuber fans or for vtuber networking

>>113770319
It's not. The trick is that 90% of the time you potentially meet a vtuber in person you'd have absolutely no way of knowing they were a vtuber. You all just look like offkai patrons to one another. Professional and private lives are completely separate.

A group of vtubers made the choice to go around offkai and confront random congoers who had visible merch, revealing themselves as the actress behind the character they have merch of and offering them a sticker. Most of the people confronted were just dismissive of the intrusion and continued on their day without humouring the publicity stunt.

This whole twitter moral panic extends from said vtubers venting how they felt spurned because their fans didn't genuflect at the sight of their real face in person. They just didn't take particularly well to the fact that nobody fucking cares and are trying to twist this into some muh-soggyknee controversy for engagement. So now we've come full circle where it's sexist and gross and pesty to show no particular interest in strangers who accost you in public, maintain a respectful distance or fail to oogle a woman's exposed body.

>>113770457
Offkai is neither of those things, it's primarily about merchandising.

who the fuck is Midas

>>113770468
The problem is vtubers going to offkai. It’s meant to be for fans not for vtubers to party with each other. If the fans don’t go offkai dies. If the vtubers don’t go offkai gets better

>>113770457
Offkai really only exists for sexworkers to meet clients under the veil of legitimacy as "content creators"
Big content creators go there because they're paid handsomely to be part of the veil, and often get to partake in the sexscapades. Mid-sized content creators go there to offer their bodies to larger content creators in exchange for exposure or to collect material for a blackmail google doccy--which they call "networking"
Fans only go to offkai for the promise of being able to pay to fuck their idol, because they already paid to fuck their idol and are coming to collect, or because they're hoping to "That Guy" their way into one of the influencer hotel room sex parties or get jumped by a mid-tier egirl too drunk or blasted on MDMA to tell the difference between Mr. Beast and John Doe.

The entire rest of the con is just patsies that don't get invited to the sex parties and don't realize that's what they're an accessory to

>>113770468
Knowing Midas she probably just got accosted by the 20+ girls who were running around the main floor giving ribbons everybody to advertise their fansly.

>>113767156
Vtubers don't get mad. Ethots and western "Vtubers" do.

>>113770471
King of Phrygia, cursed with the golden touch

I dropped Mint because she won't stop attending cons. If she wants to be a fleshie whore she can do it without me. Never again trusting an ex-niji.

>>113770468
>A group of vtubers made the choice to go around offkai and confront random congoers who had visible merch, revealing themselves as the actress behind the character they have merch of and offering them a sticker. Most of the people confronted were just dismissive of the intrusion and continued on their day without humouring the publicity stunt.
Is the extent of what happened? I keep seeing Vtubers flipping out because of people supposedly mass oshi-ening vtubers they meet because they find them ugly; but the only actual events i've seen brought up is some people being a little standoffish when they get approached by chubbas

>>113770704
You never liked mint. She was going to cons before you were born, chudly

>I'm going to be a Vtuber!
>A passing shadow, one more colorful anime creature to entertain the masses
>I've been careful not to have any disputes so I don't have to give my real name etc to YouTube
>Okay I want attention now
>Starts handicapping
>Real life pages come up
>Attends in person events
Pick a lane. It's like sitting at a dungeon and dragons table, making a character then just playing as your actual self.

>>113770739
Stay defending western e-whores as they corrupt and destroy vtubing

>>113770725
This is the extent of it. There's always a twitter engagement circus following offkai but since nobody is making false rape accusations this year they jumped on this bandwagon instead.

>>113770725
Nah a bunch of minor shit happened as well including indie vtubers sabotaging each other by stealing and trashing each others goodie bags

>>113770742
True. Flesh whore or vtuber, they need to pick a lane and stay with it

>>113770333
NTA but why do you get to decide what is and isn't? I'll agree on the virtual part, but there's no rule requiring "streaming". Original vtubers only made videos, not streams. Content is content, but not all content is streaming.

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>>113770328
Doc isn't giving me naizuri and/or riding my dick at this very instant, the bitch

>>113770855
Because a cover or video once every 2 months isn’t enough. Streaming has become ingrained in vtubing after it’s early start to the point it’s a requirement

I'm disappointed ChaCha looks like a basic white soccer mom with a light tan when she markets herself as the queen of Latina vtubers. She's probably like 1/4 Cuban or something.

>>113769806
I got a bottle of liquor ready to pop open when this bozo gets caught up in some retarded sex/harassment drama. He already got into bullshit about rigging a meet and greet for discord chums.

>>113770947
>He already got into bullshit about rigging a meet and greet for discord chums.
Nobody besides /here/ cared about that. Most Mint senpaitachi wont shut the fuck up about Steiners and love Discord celebs almost as much

>>113767156
Because they don't want to play a character, they want to be the character. The shortcomings of that approach should be obvious.

>>113771105
That's perfectly dandy everyone loves him and doesn't care.
The point is he's weak and his professionalism broke on something very simple. That lack of integrity is a sign. I'll be here laughing when it crashes down.

>>113770914
It really isn't. Just because some spergs decided that hiatuses are the worst thing ever doesn't mean that the rest of the fanbase requires it all the time. Covers and videos are perfectly acceptable ways to vtube.

>>113770922
She has nice tits

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TOTAL
FLESHIE
DEATH

My culture is not your costume.

>>113771287
Swarmfags and their jeet bot dont get to talk

>>113767156
Because vtubing was created in the super autistic society of japan and doesn't translate well to other places

>>113770549
holy FUCKING trvke
The Western world is nothing but depraved whores, those taking advantage of depraved whores, and those whom depraved whores take advantage of.

>>113771229
Hiatus implies actually producing content not just dropping lazy covers and videos. Wow look at me singing the same cover as 30 different people. Wow look at me reacting to moreparz like 1000 other people. I’m a vtuber! Until I show up at cons in person with a few hundred rules to interact with me, not to mention it ever again, and don’t be creepy

>>113767156
E-girls have flooded the space and have reached a critical mass now. Since they're even more narcissistic than your average woman, having to stream behind a virtual mask is oppressive and forced on them even though nobody made them do it and they're free to fleshie stream at any point they want.

Problem is, their fanbase wants a vtuber not a fleshtuber. This is really oppressive and very unfair and it's actually her fans fault not hers for catering to the vtubing demographic.

>>113767537
You have to be hot, not be cringe af (difficult for a lot of vtubers for some reason), and reject the overall vtubing culture.
You'll have the "muh culture" vtubing fans shit on you, but their opinions are about as valuable as a dog turd and they make for a colossal headache of a fanbase anyways.

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>>113771304
Fine. Better now?

>>113769633
"good for you"

>>113769633
"Ok"

>>113769633
"So who are you here to fuck?"

>>113769633
try to fuck her, drop her ass when it becomes clear that she won't.

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>>113770107

>>113767156
Honestly if you want to interact with your fans, the only way it can really be done is through the Ipad thing or a meet and greet or something. I don't know why they cant just go to the event without making themselves the center of attention. As soon as you aren't an anime girl you aren't a vtuber anymore, you are a fleshie. I don't see how thats hard to understand and why fans don't want to support streamers that dont get the basic rules of it.

>>113772502
>I don't know why they cant just go to the event without making themselves the center of attention.
Women.

Hi midas, I know you are here sometimes, I just wanna say, I'm dropping you. The whole cynical vibe was hot at first but it kinda became so cringe

>>113772434
Good image

>>113770765
Meanwhile, Japanese vtubers:
https://x.com/emoeci_koiyamii/status/2082421121916469353

>>113772662
A most brutal and bloody death to all fleshies

>>113772662
it's fine when japanese vtubers show flesh

>>113772662
Shut down the thread real fast with this

>>113772662
sex
women are so beautiful bros god damn

>an autistic vtuber fan recognized me and acted weird/touched me/stalked me and now i don't want to be seen anymore
translation of the woman's vaguepost

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>>113772662

>>113772913
This board is for straight men

>>113772925
*fleshposting tourist normalfags

>>113772888
Shit so obvious they call it foid's razor.

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>>113771328
>The Western world
JP isn't special

>>113773201
JP HAS whores
The West IS whores
Nowhere is totally pure, but there's a difference between deviants and the backbone of a culture.

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>>113773221
You are deluded about japan you stupid weeb.

>>113767156
Reminder that midas is as non-functional as grimmi, literal brain trauma in her case

>>113773305
And you are a disgusting fucking normalnigger who should never have been allowed on 4chan, let alone a /jp/-derived board. Hang yourself immediately; your existence pollutes the world.

>>113767156
I don't get it.
What's her problem?

>>113773221
>the backbone of a culture
nobody tell this guy about Noel from HoloJP

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>>113773383
Otaku website not weeb website you dumb faggot. Your oshi has and will continue to take dick no matter her nationality, likely in pursuit of pleasure or career advancement. Your inability to touch a vagina without payment does not change that.

>>113767156
Is she a Twitch whore? She sounds like a Twitch whore.

>>113773496
There's an easy tell for this.
Not Holo = Twitch Whore
Holo = Possibly not Twitch Whore

>>113767973
you don't get it, anon
how DARE you have an opinion about the type of content you consume?

>>113771320
2.5D vtubbing was born in japan, retard, it started with their e-whores posting nudes with their avatar over their faces.

>>113769633
Freeze up completely, because I've obviously traveled into a parallel universe

>>113773496
>>113773505
She started by doing youtube shorts and streams on youtube.

Women being allowed freedom was a mistake

>>113767156
>Why does this schizophrenic woman have inane opinions about a niche topic
It's a mystery for sure

It's very obvious that anybody claiming only ENvtubing has these issues does not watch any JP at all

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>>113774435
The distinction is the level of whore wrangling from the pimp/corpo. When choosing paid for companionship its best to choose a pro. HoloJP is the gold standard

offkai is a mistake, probably the worst thing thats happened to this community

>>113769403
BASED VIEWER

>>113769633
>*Pull up phone*
>"My Oshi, look!"
>*Unsubscribe in front of her*
>*Leave without saying any other word*

>>113767156
rare Midas L

>>113774635
Are they really your oshi if you're inventing scenarios where you're personally making them suffer?

>>113767156
Literally Who ???

ENvtubers hate every part of vtubing that isn't handing them money

>>113769403
Faith in Humanity Restored

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>>113769633
I ask where her sexy husband is

>>113774543
Kill yourself , pekofrogposter

>>113774716
She's into people making her suffer and begging to be let back in. That's why she's a two view literal who.

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>>113774962
seethe more

>>113770468
Say what you will about phase but at least fish man was smart enough to tell his talents to not show up to phase con

>>113775568
They'd have zero camouflage over there. Except for the cosplayers and a couple of artists everyone in phasecon is a dude

>>113767156
Narcissism. They want all the attention on them as a fleshie and not filtered through an avatar.

>>113775568
Now if only he were smart about those merch shipments...

>>113769633
cum

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>>113768212
Offkai's had "industry"/private networking events specifically for small corpo and prominent indies that coincide with the con as far as back as 2023. It shouldn't be to surprising that things ended up as they are

>>113769403
>they
was it a tranny or something?

>>113776353
imagine getting looks roasted by a troon yikes

>>113776391
I'd ACK on the spot

>Midas thinking she has any more integrity than the average Twitch fleshie with an avatar

>Now people don't want to see their oshi's real face.
2026 is too funny.

>>113768212
This desu

>>113768212
You are talking about a significant minority of sexpests with influence in the scene. The networking events are just that, networking events (for the most part). They even gave away anti-rape cups.

>>113777115
>a significant minority of sexpests
lol
The entire "scene" is whores and sexpests.

>>113767711
Why do you keep lying to everyone including yourself

>>113777376
Okay yeah that's literally disgusting. This is some loser's oshi. One of you freaks calls this one your favorite.

>>113776855
>Realized they don't want the world filled with misery AFTER opening pandoras box
Tale old as the tale of pandoras box

>>113769633
marry her on the spot and kidnap

>>113771380
I'm agreeing with you about the virtual part. Just that streaming isn't necessary. Creating content is and in whatever form you choose. Vtubers were not streaming for years before they were. It's not a requirement.

>>113770742
What if she also acts like her character irl?

>>113769633
Take her back to hotel room

>>113772662
Lovely tits

how do I get in on the offkai orgy?

>>113777376
name? and how much for an hour?

>>113777713
Be a whore or be connected

>>113777376
>its real
https://x.com/sukotheangel/status/1578619565424070656

>>113777376
That is twitchcon. That is sexpest central. Offkai is somewhat better in that regard.

>>113777713
Why go to an orgy when you can have 1 on 1s.
When attending a con, just message all the ones you're interested in with your desired duration and proposed cash donation for a date.
Move on if they do not respond.
Don't insult them with <1000 per hour.
You still need to be clean and a gentlemen.

>>113777713
>be generically attractive and absurdly rich male streamer
>be generically attractive and desperate egirl
>be sexually attractive(muscular and tall if male, rail thin with big tits and/or ass if female) on the con floor
these are your options

its kinda funny I was disappointed by offkai because every girl I talked to was dismissive and avoidant and now here's a bunch of indie vtuber whores complaining about the same thing but they frame it as some like cultural problem with the con and not just that strangers don't want you bothering them at a convention.

>>113767156
Is this the retard that was randomly walking up to people who had her merch and trying to talk to them?

>>113778172
Well they don't realize vtubers are near bottom of the barrel in terms of digital hobbies. They were expecting World Cup type people but got actual anime fans instead. Vtuber fans are a certain way and won't change, however these vtubers should be very careful WHO they talk to or else they lose donos.

>>113777985
lol
lol
rofl
lmao
wwww

>>113767933
Midas is a mostly Youtube-only streamer

>>113778172
>what do you mean a bunch of nerd that would have been relentlessly mocked and bullied a decade and a half ago about this hobby arent socially receptive or outgoing?
to be so sheltered....

>midas
huwhyte sayu

>>113778368
A decade and a half ago was 2011, fellow oldfag. Normalniggers entered the internet in 2007.

>>113770468
>A group of vtubers made the choice to go around offkai and confront random congoers who had visible merch, revealing themselves as the actress behind the character they have merch of and offering them a sticker. Most of the people confronted were just dismissive of the intrusion and continued on their day without humouring the publicity stunt.
Is there a list of these vtubers? for research purposes...

>>113778419
>A decade and a half ago was 2011, fellow oldfag.
Grim, I swear there must be a problem with the Earth's rotation around the Sun.
>Normalniggers entered the internet in 2007.
And it has been a mistake ever since.

>>113773447
I keep seeing this get repeated again and again but Noel has literally always kept her personas completely separate
she even famously sperged out and destroyed her keyboard on stream when she accidentally called herself Danchou
Same thing for the married members

>>113778517
It's literally their only attack on Holo, let them have it

>Why do vtubers get mad about the Virtual aspect of vtubing?
they do? I only watch Holo

>>113778419
>2007
That's when I found 4chin. Forever newfag.

>>113778517
my oshi keeps her vtubing & irl personas completely separate, but still got shit on in this thread, so why should hololive be treated any different?

>>113778735
explain

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>Midas complaining about dumb shit again

>>113777376
>>113777841
angel vtuber btw

>>113778865
Angels are known sluts

>>113768212
>We all know “networking” means sleeping around
Straight to the sex obsession

>>113778881
Yeah, me

>>113769193
I would too. After that, the magic is gone, just not the same any more

>>113769193
If a viewer gets banned from a chat for reasons he thinks is ridiculous; he's expected to move on and shut up. But if a viewer moves on from a Vtuber for reasons the vtuber finds ridiculous; she's allowed to be salty?

>>113780166
Women legit cannot handle rejection. It crushes their self esteem.

>>113768118
All those holo handcams seem to be a solid counterexample

>>113780807
You mean the ones where the corpo doesn't even let them show bare skin there anymore?
lol
lmao

>>113773383
>let alone a /jp/-derived board
You weren't on /jp/ before vtubers took over from touhou. You definitely weren't on /jp/ before touhou took over from actual threads about japan. Take your own advice.

>>113774794
They have asian traits because of their little eugenics program to "make people less ugly" by introducing white genetics to the gene pool but couldn't get whites to immigrate so they got japanese because "japanese are honorary white"

>>113780815
3dpd is still pd despite gloves

>>113774794
>>113780963
They have "Asian" traits because "Natives" are Asians who crossed over the land bridge. Hence both having straight, dark hair; no body hair; and a weakness to alcohol.

>>113769595
Autism that isn't cute and entertaining? Welcome to my nightmare bitches!

>>113777115
>The networking events are just that, networking events (for the most part).
lol
>They even gave away anti-rape cups.
lmao

>>113768212
>We all know “networking” means sleeping around.
Anon, you're exposing yourself again...

>>113776281
And people say “networking” isn’t code for sleeping around. Change offkai back to fans only or delete it

>>113769633
Fucking Pekora. Its time for some warcrimes on your pussy. The nut that I would expel inside of her would be enough to make her pregnant 10 times over.

>>113769193
check out her rplay debut tomorrow!

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https://x.com/emec_official/status/2082405780670554593
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you give money to a complete stranger (female) who gets married and gets pregnant from another stranger (male)
that is the future of every retard to who gives a streamer (stranger) money
so fucking funny
anyone who partakes in this "culture" is so fucking pathetic I just can't but laugh the same way I do when jews arrest you for anti-semitism
lol, lmao

>>113785126
Simps create hoeflation.

>>113785126
how come the only jp vtubers you guys kerp posting are emoechi girls which is literally a porn-focused agency

>>113785126
Most of emoecchi are ex AV pornstars. They are very different to real JP vtubers who didn’t just cross over from porn because it’s easier and more lucrative

>>113769633
Call her a liar. My oshi an almost unhealthily pale white woman. She also would never go to offkai in person.

Flood of hugboxy redditor trannies think that vtubers showing their faces is somehow "owning le incels/unicorns"
Which is hilarious because in the early days of vtubing on the EN side at least, creeps that pushed some vtubers to show their real faces were ALSO called incels/unicorns.
Buzzword throwing cattle.

>>113785126
I don't spend any money on vtubers, not even on merch.

Any profession where you have to hide your identity should be a red flag to anyone that these people are manipulative lying whores. Vtubers act like they're doing wet-work for governments when all they're doing is voice work for a shitty cartoon character in their bedroom.

Probably just a bunch of rando ching chong goblinas going up to every hot white dude and claiming to be whatever VTuber they had merch of.

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My oshi isn't physical. If you walk up to me, you're not her. You're just a vessel for her character's voice to speak through. You can't kill her anymore than a killing a priest could destroy God.

>>113767156
why do you get mad about vtubers getting mad?

>>113788536
Based... so fvcking zased...

>>113769173
>the whole arrangement exists purely for their convenience and benefit
holosimps acted like this since 2019. They were probably like that even before.
the fans are performing "being fans" because they were getting something out of it: good vibes. Western vtubing took the providing a service part out

>>113767156
>roastie got rejected by a bunch of SEA monkeys and Fatlus GODS at a con
kek

>>113776855
Actual vtuber fans never wanted to.

>>113773221
kek, you weebs are so delusional
>>113773383
/jp/ has been telling weebs to fuck off since its creation, you fucking newfag
4chan has as a website.
You were never welcome here.
Otaku and weeb are not the same

>>113767156
>>113749590
Kekaroooooooo

>>113769403
>>113769549
Don't be coming at me telling me you're a Real Fan or Real vtuber and then using the hobby as an excuse to be a 30yo degen. I'm pretty sure Mako is a real life homocollaber too.

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>>113769633
rape

>>113790760
Pekoes clapping dumpy can be heard from a mile away

>>113788429
Once upon a time it was “don’t dox me! I’m just a (vtuber theme)girl on the internet so leave the person behind it alone” but now they get mad at people ignoring them dox themselves. The only consistency they have is the money and attention they want

>>113788429
makes it easier to hide a male manager

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saw another post in the same direction. Shouldve know it was bait or worse
https://x.com/CharlottexBear/status/2082672708832186767

>>113790990
This isn’t even a full kayfabe thing. It’s literally walking up to people at cons with merch of you. I go even further and say that Vtubers themselves have no place at cons physically and should only be there on screens. Leave cons to the fans

Because a lot of vtubers desperately wish that they could be fleshtubers, especially the ones that hopped on after the COVID surge, they want to live the life of a internet celeb, getting recognised and simped after by fans in a way that a vtuber model wont allow. No matter how "le creatividad" your oshi is, there is probably a tiny part of her that wishes she could just sit in front of a webcam reacting to tiktoks while simpbucks roll in

Ever since the big boom you just had more and more people joining, flashing their tits and fleshposting without a clue about the culture and instead of assimilating they try to change their environment to suit them.

>>113791466
Market saturation and vtubing being a "fad" are killing that dream. Vtubing like fleshing is a stats game. Sure there may be lots of interest at first and loads of money but over time they decline. People get bored, I mean look how many vtubers all have the same meta of yapping for 2 hours then playing games crapply for 2 more. It gets boring after a while and people move on. The only people who stay are true simps who get hooked, they become whales. The only good thing is when BF lore drops happen is when the spell is broken on these men so there's that. Vtubing is better in that aspect unlike OF simps who pour obscene amounts of money to women doing it on screen.

>>113790990
Kayfabe does not mean not talking about IRL stuff ever. That hasn't been true since livestreaming became the main mode of vtubing. It's about blending your avatar seamlessly into yourself. Even things as simple as saying "oh in kayfabeland" instead of "in [vtuber's country of origin]" or "when I was a little [vtuber creature]". When you start fleshposting or saying things that directly contradict your appearance, they become two clearly separate entities and the allure is gone.

>I hate my fans
okay?

>>113768212
Exactly, it's just fucking weird, they aren't going there for fans, or for vtubers they are fans of, they go there to network.
It's like if mangakas and artists would attend events purely for networking reasons, rather than buying/selling art. I mean ofcourse they meet up and drink, but main thing is attending as a fan or a shop, rather than networking connections, and fucking around. Or so it seems to me.
Also, I feel like a lot of people dislike offline events, because girls tend to comeback acting differently or whatever.

If you don't know the color of your oshi's nipples and labia then you don't really know her.

>>113792372
The thing I hate most about cons (concerts are the same too but at least they stream them) is if they have something planned for it, its like a month of reduced/guerilla schedule or straight up cancelled streams, no streams for con week and then they usually get sick or tired so theres another week gone minimum (if your lucky) and then the con circlejerk goes on for a little longer.

For a 3 day convention it derails streams for like 2 months just so they can larp as an influencer for a weekend

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>>113793163
The same level of knowledge as her uncles or multiple boyfriends, except you paid to see them and didn't even get to fuck

>>113772662
Similar body to her model, doesn't show face.

>>113785126
Isn't that the girl who stuffs her pussy with some sort of eggs

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>>113790582
>Otaku and weeb are not the same
Pot calling the kettle black.

>>113769212
>a) I'm ugly as fuck and was recognized and people were disgusted and dropped me
Maybe this, many vtubers who went aleady said that and were pretty discouraged from doing shit... seriously, these whores are popular for their models most of the time, why the fuck would you ruin it? you have anonimity and simps who thing you're some 10/10 goddess and then you show yourself because somehow you need the fuckin attention?

>>113793590
>sick or tired
don't forget after those few days of resting, they get lazy and don't wanna boot it up, because it's pretty much work at home, except easier and more forgiving.

>>113796271
>somehow you need the fuckin attention
Because they know the fans think the model is attractive and they subconciously acknowledge that their model =/= them

>>113796387 (me)
It is essentially being jealous of a image of your self with bunch of filters to make you prettier than you actually are. It is as retarded as it sounds

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Ok yeah I'm now even more convinced they need to make it for the fans mainly. No more of this networking bullshit

if they could get away with it marine and kiara would 100% flesh stream

>>113780815
the same corpo that just had 6 talents graduate last year?

>>113796667
Offkai organizers are the biggest groomers in the industry. It’s not going to happen unfortunately. This thread will die and in a day and everyone will forget before history repeats itself

>>113767156
>Go to a Star Wars convention to meet the actors behind the characters.
>Go to an anime convention to meet the voice actors from your favorite animated series.
>Go to a VTuber convention to meet the girls behind the anime avatars.
I really don't see why it's a problem.

>>113796945
It is a problem because the fans are fans of the anime girl not the girl behind it

>>113796945
Fuck off tourist

>>113767156
because they dont want you to get comfortable with the idea of vitrual money, they want REAL money, YOUR REAL money.

HEY MIDAS
I JERKED OFF TO YOUR SISTER SMASHING THE WINDOW WITH THE CROWBAR OUT OF SPITE BECAUSE I KNOW YOURE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE LEWDING YOUR IRL FAMILY
TAKE THAT, FOID

>>113796979
>fans of the anime girl not the girl behind it
Why not both?

>>113797059
if they were to be fans of the girl behind the anime avatar there wouldn't be a need to have a anime avatar

>>113785126
Hello kike

>>113797112
I don't know, it's not like the two are completely unrelated either. A good avatar needs a good roomate.

>>113797232
I hate roommates. They are usually talking shit about people who support them and fucking guys in the next room

>>113797232
Best vtubers tends to be the ones that keep the roommate away from the vtuber