Whatever happened there? No, really. Idol was a big deal once. What happened that no one talks about them anymore?
Roca is still amazing
the exist to make mid 3d nobody watches
>>113829832Besides ~2 talents, no one watches them. What is there to talk about?
>>113829832phase killed them
>>113831184No, they killed themselves.
Avril ran out of money, and he and his buddies were awful at managing the company. They sold off to Brave, but in the process were dumb enough to give their best known talents the option to leave and keep their IP.Brave realized the leftovers weren't making money because supporting them took more than they could generate, and pawned them off again. Now they're stuck with a company that just tries to squeeze a little cash out.They're not bad, just very mid.
>>113829832One of the senior staff was treating it like a japanese idol company and fucking the talents. Eventually that coming out destroyed the company and forced the ceo to sell
Market is saturated, too many options and the target audience already picked what they watch.Just look at the catalog, it's handful of the usual corpos, some generals dedicated to one specific chuuba, /big/ and /lig/ for 2-view to 4-views, And then, everyone else crammed into stuff like /corpo/, /micro/, /indie/ or /asp/ that mashes all those too slow or irrelevant to keep up.Just a case of having more supply than demand.
their foundation was built on 2 gens of landmine girls. some of the worst hires you will ever see like the struck on 4 Twisty's in 2 gens.
>>113831558>Good News: they strike gold and get the posterchild YouTube golden girl of Shorts>Bad News: she is in a company with kyoresu, Yuko, Pochi, and Menacetragic
They play it too safe
>>113831558kinda sad because most of their current girls seem pretty inoffensive but their company has a doomed reputation because of what menheras, jews, and menhera jews did a few years ago
>>113829832Jewish money had to be redirected to The War so they couldn't shill their girls.
>>113829832it's literally been dead since probably mid 2023
>>113832683>jewish money>paying for the warlmao no, that's for american taxpayers to handle
>>113832575>most of their current girls seem pretty inoffensivebut that is also why the corpo is cold and has never had any momentum. nobody who is still there was a needle mover for growth. and even then roca is a great vsinger, but she is not THE guy in terms of being a vtuber.
>>113832575They already rebranded because of that but the main issue is the fact that being unoffensive and safe isn't good enough to keep rising. Sure, they sponsored Offkai with what money they got from separating from Brave and do hold 3D concerts but that doesn't mean viewership will come and etc. in droves. I'm not going to say their efforts were fruitless because they managed to right the ship and stabilize it but it's not any better or worse. Don't you forget that we're currently in a contraction of Vtubing in general with a bunch of corpos dying off as a result. A lot of people don't trust corpos and getting attached with that in mind.Also linking the last time we had a substantial discussion thread on this. >>107088096
>>113833070brave 3d lives do as low as 300 viewers some times.
>>113833070I don't think it's about trusting corpos, it's all about standing out. I think they'd actually do better with a proper menhera getting into shit every other week. At least it brings attention to what you're doing. Even negative attention is better than a slow death because everyone forgets you even exist.
>>113833150For individual streams, yeah, but 3D by itself on the fly in the way they do it is basically kinda like a normal stream with extras so it doesn't stand out so much. The concerts do draw in more people from what I have seen especially at Offkai this year.>>113833206No corpo listed is currently clearing that bar then in my opinion right now. Size is negating it for at least Hololive and Phase so they have their own center of gravity that helps it. Indies is where you will still get that attention breakout though but it's not enough to stop the medium on the whole declining.
>>113833324eh, their 3d stuff is a waste of money. free concert at offkai is whatever and even then pictures of the room are half empty.they have only ever had 1 3d live break 4view: roca. 3d debuts are meant to be big, and some of them were in the 300s. tonya who is really talented her lives have done sub 300 before.chromashift is white noise.
>>113833523my theory is that the 3D concerts and events are produced to keep the talents from leavingthese are seen as the main benefits of joining a company. without those, the talents will just leaveif the talents leave, then all the investment is wasted and there's no chance of profit in the future
>>113834455this also explains mariya and lisa leaving their companies as they have produced their own events
>>113834455...but nobody makes any money there tho>lets throw more money away so we can keep this endeavor that makes us no money going for even longer so then we can throw more money away on it
>>113834516That is unironically how many companies are run.
>>113829832>debut a es gen>argentinians gift thousands membership with their meme money (10 cents per membership)>everyone realizes they can also pay with meme money>go fucking broke>sell to ultra blackrock corporation >they make all girls collab with males
>>113831697Trannyqueer
>>1138298323 menheras (pochi, yuko and riro) leaving the corpo causing the most PR damage they couldMoney dried up and forced to be sold to brave (bad and shaky management structure for most of Idol's lifespan)A gigaflop of a 4th gen (Wildfyre) when they needed a good one to recover from all the drama.
What's there to talk about?
>>113836060regardless, they had a golden goose and fucked it up with bad supporting hires.compare it to phase who had a golden goose, and they surrounded her with unique genmates who complemented her and were on the same page
>>113829832scammers
>>113829832Literally nothing happened in October 2023.
>>113831408>Avril ran out of money, and he and his buddies were awful at managing the company.>They sold off to Brave, but in the process were dumb enough to give their best known talents the option to leave and keep their IP.You skipped step 3: Brave rebranded "Idol" as "Chroma Shift," and reshuffled most or all of the gens' lineups, so that half of the girls were no longer genmates with the girls who had debuted alongside each other. As if they didn't realize that there'd be any costs involved with making and trademarking new logos, and copyrighting the new gen names.>Brave realized the leftovers weren't making money because supporting them took more than they could generate, and pawned them off again. Now they're stuck with a company that just tries to squeeze a little cash out.Giving Koa a new outfit and banning her from using her debut outfit did little to help
>>113846405Wait, what? They told Koa she can't use that absolute sexo outfit anymore?Man, at least Avril understood the value of cunny. This is just pure retardation at this point.
