Only /#/ hates her because Cover includes her in everything and they think she doesn't deserve it since she doesn't have the best numbers in EN.

successful white woman makes retards mad

>>113867590
She talks over people in collabs and won't shut the fuck up. Many of the people she collabs with are introverts so they end up just being silent because they can't get a word in edgewise. That's why I hate her. She's too stupid to realize what a retarded sack of shit she is whenever she collabs. Zero self awareness.

only gurame fans hate her, sadly they will never fuck off even though their oshis did

>>113867590
because i hate white women

>>113867647
Never been to /#/ in my life.
>>113867648
Funny, I don't hate Mori.
>>113867673
Gura is a sack of shit and Ame clearly doesn't give a fuck. Doesn't change how obnoxious Kiara is.

>>113867661
I dunno man the fact that she doesn't seem to be self-aware, does it boil down to her deliberately doing this or just unaware? Is it worth to demonize her over this

>>113867715
Why is Gura a piece of shit? Call me ignorant but wasn't there disagreements between her and the management or so I've been told

>>113867750
I don’t like how she treated her fans. No person with a fully formed conscious does that. Straight up treats the people that support her like trash and I will always anti that. At least she did the right thing by turning off membership now. Even if we give her the benifit of the doubt and just be frank that she has some sort of mental health issue she has done the wrong thing and has not stuck to her word again and again. She’s a coward through and through and I do not like nor respect her

>>113867733
Either way she's obnoxious. But if you want a real answer, a lot of the hate stems from how obnoxious KFP are too. They seem to think she is a perfect goddess and refuse to comprehend how her behavior turns people off.

Is it worth demonizing her? Probably not. I honestly try to just avoid her because I am an adult and can deal with things that upset me, but a lot of autists struggle with that.

>>113867750
If she left Hololive and changed her behavior, then that's one thing. But she barely streams AND kept membership open for MONTHS while doing fuck all. Her entire MO was making people feel loke they had to sub for fomo of not having the best badge. That is predatory as fuck. Good people don't let stupid people continue to send them money for nothing. Scam artists do that. Whatever is wrong with her, she chooses the worst, laziest way of expressing it.

>>113867795
This guy gets it. She's a fucking grifter.

No one hats Kiara anymore, she's the hardest working and most capable idol in Hololive EN.

>>113867820
FWIW I’m radical in that I even stand by Nimi and respected her more for just coming clean. I’ll always respect honesty. Gura/Saba is straight up a bad person

I feel bad for her fans genuinely. They deserve better

>>113867863
I haven’t watched holo since fauna graduated. Out of the loop. Agree though she’s a good egg. Heh

>>113867865
Nimi rubbed me the wrong way with her immediate merch shilling. It's a shame because I used to like her. I don't give a single fuck about the LLD, I just don't think she's a genuine person. Regardless, I just avoid her. I don't fault folks for still liking her though.

>>113867865
>I appreciate honesty
>Gura bad
lol, selective aren't we

>>113867795
>>113867810
about the fan part for Gura there was a divide between people not sharing her values for lolisho content and just allowing her group to make herself look bad over it, but I haven't seen anything about treating the fans like trash in an undirect way, there's those "stupid" people who would still like to donate to her but then again like you said, she hasn't been delivering content as promised. The fact that she isn't commenting on that promise as much raises a concerned eyebrow.

>>113867863
See this is what I mean about KFP. They think Kiara is perfect. I love Kronii and Biboo but even I think they have flaws. KFP is this weird cult where if you step out of line they go full schizo on you.

>>113867924
When has she been honest? Still waiting on that update

>>113867924
NTA but Gura was never honest. She lies as easily as she breathes. Remember how she said in her leaked members post that she'd give an explanation about what's going on with her? How many months ago was that? I lost count.

>>113867590
I just don't like her voice

>>113867911
I hear you but I disagree. I’m curious why you don’t find her genuine? Not saying you’re wrong but that’s the opposite vibe of what I get from her. I feel like she’s kinda always been exactly who she said she was? I don’t watch streams anymore fell out of the vtubing scene in general so maybe I missed something. If it’s doxx I give her a pass, there are crazies out there and sometimes she has to make choices that prioritize safety over integrity and I respect that too

>>113867935
Fuck you're retarded.

>>113867933
I give zero fucks about giant boobs or loli or whatever. It's just a cartoon avatar. I care about the person behind the avatar.

>>113867952
Gura fans are easy to piss of. You just ask them to keep Samantha to her word :P

>>113867590
how new?

>>113867911
yeah, she specifically waited for her merch and concert tickets to sell out before publicly announcing her marriage

>>113867962
Like I said, immediately doing merch on debut is weird to me. Yes, I know Holo does it but they're a corpo. Doing that solo is just weird. That and how detached she was at the end. She really didn't seem sad at all about leaving. That really sucked for those she left behind.

I don't have a burning hatred for her, I just don't like her.

>>113867974
Coco brought me in. I just never really got the hate. It seemed like I stemmed from super old cosplay drama on CGl? It all seemed incredibly stupid. Chicken lady funny

>>113867865
>>113867924
>>113867935
>>113867820
>>113867952
It's best to not shitfling eachother until a conclusion stated by herself stems from this backlash or controversy or whatever you wanna call it. Or some drama vulture comes in and swoops her. There's no definitive knowledge whether she's vile or just dumbly ignorant yet

>>113867986
Again, the LLD has zero to do with why I don't like her. I can't be assed to care about who is in a relationship with who. At the end of the day, it's entertainment. I don't cry because the star of a TV show I like isn't fucking me. I will never understand the Unicorn mentality. It's so stupid and childish.

>>113867590
The one issue I can think of, is that she switches into a really defeatist attitude the second she starts struggling during some action games, which sours the mood pretty badly and chat has to coddle her for a while, which gets annoying after a couple of times.

She mellowed out of her other issues over time like forcing ships, and being too obnoxious on collabs.

>>113868000
Ok, I didn’t get that vibe but I am obviously biased. FWIW I don’t buy most merch so I guess that’s why I didn’t care? I work in sales so I just see it as her doing her job lol. About the detached thing: she hates showing emotion on stream but she was seconds away from breaking down on the announcement stream. I think her being composed was her way of trying to be professional

>>113868006
Yeah like wasn't Kiara herself assaulted by a creep in Japan and because of how laws worked there he wasn't punished for it or something

>>113868022
I think I've given her more than enough time. She's been doing this shit for YEARS now. At some point, benefit of the doubt runs out. She has given no explanation to disprove what an awful person she is, therefore she is an awful person.

>>113868033
Yeah like I said, I'm rational enough to just chalk it up to vibes. I don't wish her ill, and I'm glad you still enjoy her. I just wish she could have come up with a solution where she didn't leave. But I also get that traveling to Japan constantly can suck, especially if you are a vegetarian.

>>113868022
She’s not gonna say shit. She’ll announce she had a kid in a bit and that’ll be that. Actions speak louder than words. She’s fleeced her fans to tens of millions and is living lavishly. Does she likely have some very real mental health issues as well? I’m sure. Frankly, so do I and that’s especially why I find her actions so reprehensible. If she had just come out from the start, turned off membership while gura or if cover didn’t allow as soon as she became Saba and jsut said something like “I’m struggling guys and streams are gonna be spotty thank you so much for any and all support” I’d be her biggest supporter. That’s not what happened though. If you don’t communicate people can only assume the worst: leading people on and using mental illness as a shield gets me red hot. That’s some satanic levels of evil

>>113867661
Either I haven’t seen enough collabs as I usually auto-skip any GTA/Minecraft stuff or the situations just look different to me. The latest KR stuff, Essie, Anya all seemed very fun and I even had the impression that Kiara generally did a good job minimizing the usual awkwardness you see in holo collabs when it is outside their gen.

>>113868086
She'll never announce anything. If anything she'll just randomly show up and stream like normal for a few days without explaining anything before fucking off again for several months. It's what she's been doing for years now. She clearly is never going to change.

>>113868026
right, but it proves how much of a psychopath she is. she knew some people would be upset about the LLD, so she decided to milk those people dry of their money one last time

>>113868053
She's not holding you hostage to stay to be fair. If she truly is awful there's gonna be severe consequences to her but holding a high level of grudge allows for rrats and other harmful shit associated not exclusively to herself but anyone associated really to manifest.

>>113868118
I guess? Maybe she's gotten better. Like I said, I avoid her, so for all I know she fixed her issues. I just really dislike hearing her, so I'm not exactly pining to give her another chance. Unlike many of the autists here, I can ignore things I don't like.

>>113868138
You mistake dislike for a grudge. I don't care what she does. There is little she can do that would change my mind. I just ignore her, which is pretty easy given that she never streams.

>>113867590
I HATE her because she is living the live I should be having. I DESERVE THIS.

>>113868138
>>113868172
Oh also lol at "horrible people suffer consequences". Have you not been paying attention to the world lately? The worst people fail upward. There is no such thing as fairness.

>>113868122
Those usernames are human beings with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams just like her. Treating them as numbers is vile. At least be upfront about it if that’s your schtic. I’ve lived in Nantucket before: the people there are all insane. Rich people crazy. I’m assuming a lot but I think part of why I root for Kiara so much is cause that woman put in the work. She was the biggest of underdogs and just refused to give up. I fuck with that heavy. Samantha was fed money and fame via a golden spoon, didn’t have the courtesy to say thank you, and then didn’t like the taste of it so spit in the face of everyone who gave it to her

>>113867673
It's actually insane how many Gura/Saba fags are still around after all this time.
I guess this is kind of like a woman who is constantly getting beaten up by her man but still stays with him.

>>113868179
You can’t just be happy for her and proud of her? She’d wish the same success for you anon

>>113868203
Well, I'm glad she is what you want her to be for you. I hope she continues to be exactly what you want.

I just want nothing to do with her 8s all, and I just hope the number of collabs she has with people I watch are few.

>>113867934
>she's the hardest working and most capable idol in Hololive EN!
>tHeY tHiNk ShE iS pErFeCt!!!
Man, reading comprehension realls is down the shitter these days.

>>113867590
orange woman bad

>>113868262
Buddy, my point stands. You fucks go schizo the second anyone says they don't like her. If you are different, then props to you. But I have seen far too many zealous KFP have fucking meltdowns over this shit.

>>113868260
Nah I can’t even lie I don’t like her streams. She isn’t my style of streamer which sucks cause I love her story and want her to succeed lol. Cheering her on in the background!

>>113867647
stop trying to ply your psyops in numbers

>>113868311
I get that. People naturally want hard work to be rewarded.

>>113868332
Nobody likes you in here.

>>113868336
I’m a naive idealist till the very end what can I say :P

Well, hope you got some answers OP. I got shit to do so I'll hop out. Hope you get some genuine answers amongst the shitposts.

>>113868294
Nah, I don't give a fuck whether you like her or not, I would just appreciate it if you fags stopped making up arguments in your dreams.

>>113868378
Most of them are very surface level. Gura level brainlets. I think there’s a 1-1 correlation between liking Gura and being low T

>>113867590
I like her but her numbers are too low so I usually don't really watch her.
I watched her soccer streams though, first time in a while she had success.
It's getting tough though.
Nimi fell off, Saba doesn't stream....outside of Ina and Biboo there is barely anyone left to watch. I guess Shylily and Zentreya doing special streams get up there sometimes.
Right now I'm invested into Deme, her numbers doing reacts keep growing.

>>113868172
Not sure if you're the same anon I replied to but you can have the opinion that she's awful. Like you said there's little she can do to change your mind so let's leave it at that for you. What's your stance on others trying to force an aggressive mindset way of thinking to convince others she's Literally Hitler TM?
>>113868201
Are we talking about IRL? It's complicated there's people both left and right that can be horrid and be successful doesn't mean the same can't be said for noble individuals same with failure really. It could be due to one-sided loud majorities taking hold as of late and fringe culture making a comeback

>>113868346
What's the matter, can't ply your psyops anymore?

>>113868543
He holds /#/ accountable as a whole which is unfair to those using it and liking Kiara but then again anons there do act like monkeys at eachothers oshi over trivial numbers

>>113867590
blame /#/

>>113868614
Yeah I can blame /#/ for being a very trendy active threadgen that allows that toxicity to happen freely

>>113868543
>>113868611
/#/ always shits on Kiara all the time for no reason and only people from that specific group do that.

>>113868700
you mean you shit on Kiara all the time and point to it as Numbers heading kiara

>>113868722
No, actually I really do like Kiara.

>>113868722
And? What are you going to do about it?
Nothing. I will keep making all kinds of bait posts in /#/ and keep getting them timelooped again and again and nobody can do anything about it.

>>113868746
well someone keeps doing that and you fell for the psyops

>>113867590
I want her to give me a footjob

>>113868432
Why is it that you can only watch a streamer if she's doing good numbers? That's mental illness

>>113868611
see >>113868784

>>113868779
Keep doing it. You're actively contributing to this board's death for which I am grateful

>>113868651
and the fact that the remaining jannies don't really punish that kind of behaviour they're allowing it in an impotent rewarding way
>>113868700
They don't really shit on just Kiara have you not seen Shiori being shitted on too? Or any other kind of holoshi, anyone trying to be positive gets shut down. I don't think lumping people that still use that in a good light with those instigators is a good idea.
Baitposter example who needs to be banned off the site for eternity is >>113868779 but that won't happen because the jannies left or are too busy with other things to care about. If this guy posted in the +4 offshoot I'd guarantee you he would be obliterated in seconds.

>>113868826
Please provide proof on how this is a psyops if you want to prove you aren't a schizo.

>>113868812
I don't know, I also only watch popular shows and movies. If I watch, read or play something that people clearly don't like that much it feels like a waste of time.

>>113868951
you mean other than him admitting it himself?

>>113868854
He might also not even be a /#/ bait poster, and you are just falling for his bait.

>>113868970
Cattle

>>113867590
I don't.
I think she's got the passion and the drive.
She's great on stage and the sexiest member imo.
She can speak multiple languages and can fill air naturally on stream.

If I had to be super nitpicky and choose a critique, it'd be her lack of immersion when doing playthroughs. Something my turbo autismo ass gets annoyed by.
But honestly she is rather awesome and I struggle to find anything to be mad about, other than that she'll never be mine.

>>113868812
Dunno if mental illness is the right word here but it sure does look like it from an outside perspective. There's a lot of factors that don't get brought up
>>113868980
I guess?
>>113868991
The line's been blurred so much that it's hard to tell who's genuine and who isn't, this board was a bad idea at the start considering how bad e-celeb topics can become, it's a scar that'll only be killed if another /qa/ incident happens which is bound to happen slowly, give it a decade or so before it happens

>>113869139
>this board was a bad idea
lmao. ALL boards outside of the super-autist ones like /n/ and porn boards are like this.
Actually, scratch that, the biggest porn board /gif/ is also like this.

>>113867590
I like her just fine. I like her general attitude, her design, most of her outfits, her music and her 3D performances are great. Just her actual streams I've found a little boring most times I've tried watching them.

>>113867590
I like her vibes, design, and voice. Just not a fan of her music or streams. If anything I love the idea of Kiara but not her streams or music

Kiara is the Queen of vtubing

>>113871958
what makes ye say that, strangah?

>>113867590
I don't even care about her deep lore i don't like the way she acts that all. It's off putting

>>113867590
>ME ME ME ME
>clings to whoever gives her attention. Be it Njiiwhores or indie grifters
>Constantly tries to yuribait with other girls
>Whenever someone rejects her Maldives invitation she cries about it on her stream for pity points
>Despite yuribaiting all the time, she stayed in a hotel with a random guy and stayed up all night to "take care of him".

She's terrible.

>>113867590
Her personality and voice are grating. Don't care about whatever her sob story is.

I don't hate her I just don't like her. I find her annoying.

(there have been 6 posts without bumping)

>>113867590
blame numbers and the bibot spammer

annoying voice and personality

>>113867590
I love her

>>113867590
>Why do you guys hate Kiara so much?
shit voice
can't sing
shit attitude
shit personality

>>113873875
>she stayed in a hotel with a random guy and stayed up all night to "take care of him".
the fact a member of HoloEN had an actual gomen senpai moment and the it didn't get any attention due to KFP basically going on a crusade against anyone who called Kiara out on it is kinda astounding.

>>113867590
she's annoying
her fanbase is annoying
her haters are annoying
literally everything involving her is annoying
just look at how annoying this thread is

>>113867590
I could never hate any holo