Oof
>>113962937That really fucking blows for her and her fans
Another Seth Weinstein special.
>>113962937weird how this keeps happening with vtuber merch
>>113963212and to the same types of vtubers
>>113962937
>>113963130>>113963364I thought this was a /pol/ joke.
>>113963412It's a real guy who ran at least two vtuber scam companies
https://files.catbox.moe/fyisjh.mp4
>>113963479I love how retards like you think this looks like anything except retarded slop.
>>113963479Is that what he really looks like? If so no wonder they got burned. I think suits and ties with a clean cut will be making a comeback.
>>113963479kek
>>113963212It’s not the first time something like this has happened... I wonder if the VTuber and the company owner know each other? Only a cynic would think anything bad
>>113962937How the fuck do people keep falling for Seth's bullshit? How did ANYONE let him be in charge of anything after MSM?
>>113963657It's very easy to scam and hustle women without college degrees and critical thinking skills
>>113963212The VTuber market while really impressive for how young it is, and how lucrative it has been, went balls deep into profiting from the start. A lot of companies jumped in to the markets without knowing a) will it work, b) will makes us money, c) will be possible to keep it stable. Novel Horizon was one of them, they jumped the gun in 2020, and while liggers will keep screaming Seth, this shit was long coming, they had the sword by the neck because it is fucking stupid that you don't have a secure line of production, a stable set of workers and more, to do figures that will be delivered between now and when time ends. That's just a money wasting business idea.Unironically, the absorption of Seth and Glitchless gave them a couple of injections to keep it alive, but it was bound to burst. It's the same deal with VShojo after Henya, they got a huge boost in their PR that they were able to keep their position even if they were bleeding out.
>>113963130>Weinsteinif only there were signs
>>113963717You're right about that. These girls are only popular for their money, once that runs out, the attention will stop. They should have just stuck to their bread and butter streams and called it a day. Now we wait for the sexpests and BF drops to top it all off.
>>113962937How many of mouses new group members scam their fans including this one?
>>113962937I'm glad this only happens to awful people
>>113963585anon, it's very obviously a.i.
>>113963908This is your brain on /#/
>>113963908The Bird is doing something shady with memorabilia auctions so there's that. Mouse's boy Connor got booted from yet another anime project for being a tourist I dunno about the 4th member. I don't follow her. Combined with the Amalee merch stuff and we now have a disaster on our hands.
>>113963479where was this at?
>>113964030Actually no, THIS is your brain on /#/
>>113964143Don't defend their bad behavior. It only makes things worse for them.
>>113964231tumor weeks
>>113963908if things go well, great. if they dont, doki gets to cry victim again. rinse and repeat
>>113963908>>113964030There was a time, a long time ago, when faggots from /#/, despite being bitter tribalists, actually knew things about vtubing (both inside and outside of Holo). Nowadays it's pretty clear they know absolutely nothing - they don't watch streams (not even of their own Holo girls), they don't even watch clips, they don't even fully read twitter posts. Sad.
>>113962937>>113963130>>113963364GEEGA LOVES SETH
>>113963364>Weinsteinlmao
>>113964445You don't even seem to know what the Wildcard Club thing is. It's not a corpo, it's not even an agency. It's a (temporary) music collaboration. That's all.
>novel horizon scalpers just saw a fat paydaywhich figure will be the most sought after now that NH is going belly up?
>>113962937SURELY joining Rin and Doki with HYBE will be the winner
>>113965114I honestly can't tell if this is Seth deflecting of if the "people" who use this board are straight up retarded now...
Vtubers and money laundering go hand and hand
>>113964501Guess who Geega's business partner is in Sponsorbot...
>>113963212companies that will partner with streamers at the size of even a large vtuber tend to be smaller and less stable themselves
>>113965185This, it's one of the last frontiers of unabashed snake-oil tactics since the consumers are literal braindead retards willing to forgive a png of an anime girl over being swindled>Ohh im sorry guys, i would love to give you guys the money back, but ummm they took it!>Im sowwy :(
>>113963364Seth Weinstein needs to get black bagged during a con and beaten like a pinata
>>113965158Some schizo here really hates Dokibird and tries to make every thread about her some reason
>>113965229Damn, is she also a Jewess like Melody and Mint?
>>113965185>>113965281seth, pay your debts, you ugly jew
>>113962937One Seth's schemes I seeWhen will they learn not to trust the long nose tribe?
>>113965386She's NY Italian-American and unironically gives strong fed vibes.
>>113965386A beggar like Nimi? Lucky for her, the fiance debuff is helping her stay out of trouble. She can't raise money. >>113965281Can't save simps. You need a BF lore drop to wake them up.
>>113962937how do this people keep getting scammed by seth scamstein? lmao
ok well the goyim need to stop falling for it every single timehow is it his fault
>>113963968Anonchama this also actually happen to Henya and Kson.
>>113965229proof?
>>113963709The issue is everyone who got fucked over by MSM just wanted to move on so there weren't any big public statements like we're seeing now. If you weren't here in that week or so when it collapsed and everything came out you wouldn't know who he is
>>113964501Something about this chick never sat right with me. She went from a literal nobody to suddenly joining a major vtuber agency and everyone singing her praises about how sweet and amazing and hardworking she was. Seemed an industry plant to me. Say you will about Ironlung and Amalee but at least they had notable careers before vshojo.
Don't ask questions. Just watch vtuber and then get excited for next vtuber.
>>113965769Are you Seth?
Remember when we could talk about things without retards trying to turn everything in some tribal-shitflinging contest?
>>113965792Pre-hack? Kinda, it's just gotten worse because a lot of genuine posters left leaving only a few
>>113965386Mint....jew....interesting
>>113965595They aren't getting scammed they're getting a share.
>>113965925seems likely
>>113962937Damn if she falls for scams that many times then I have a chance to date her
>>113965925>>113965943No, only Shondo got paid up front. Ama literally states in her post that she didn’t get paid anything. Can't you read?
>A autistic American involved in 6 different lawsuits in 5 different states who has to spend 12 hours a day doing random hacker man shit to keep his website online is able to successfully run several merch campaigns including handling the manufacturing and shipping himselfIt's fucking impressive how bad vtubers are at this shit
>>113966139Their managers are shit at their jobs. BTW how much does a vtuber's manager get paid?
>>113966026>Just because she says so, it's truestop being so naive.
>>113962937>Item Bounce from Kirby Air Ride plays
>>113966190They seem like they do nothing when they spend all day on twitter and discord shitposting
>>113966190It depends, some only look at emails, others do contracts, few are just for show
>>113963130Oy, vey! SHUT IT DOWN!
>>113966190They can fuck some VTuber pussy every now and then.
>>113966026You can say any lies as long as people can't disprove them and it benefits you. As a cerified psychopath I added 'and it doesn't harm anybody in the process' rule for myself but that's just me.
>>113966190Some don't have one, I know Shondo doesn't. Not sure about Ama or the others who've been fucked by this.
>>113966190That's because their "managers" are their boyfriends kek
>>113962937It's okay because he's really nice
>>113966190>BTW how much does a vtuber's manager get paid?in America? your looking at $60-70k/yr minimum for a manager regardless of industry and that's straight up somebody with no experience straight out of college.
>>113966371hot sauce on this qt?
And what have we learned from this. Don't buy Vtuber figures that is not sold from large retailers.
>>113966477Basically. Logistics is hard for indies even at that scale and size. Small items is one thing but at a certain price point some items are just off limits. Corporations have the advantage of exclusive contracts, stock sales, and investors to raise money and deliver merch.
>>113966026what that other anon saidyou dont know what goes on behind the scenes.
>>113966792>you dont know what goes on behind the scenes.I admit this is something I would like to know more about. I bet the underbelly is far worse than I could have imagined. A lot of questions could be answered.
>>113965769Yeah I never got it. Having a corporate job before becoming a vtuber doesn't mean you're smartShe doesn't seem entertaining either
>>113964974>>113964997>>113965032>>113965122These vtubers have proven time and time again to be retards who only chase money, and yet their stupid simps continue to fall for scam after scamAt this point they deserve each other lmao
>>113962937How retarded and incompetent do these people have to be to fumble merch every time? My oshis has no problem and she's been pumping out merch for years They have to be scamming
https://www.novelhorizons.com/post/the-last-novel-newsHow many figures does this leave in limbo? 10?
>>113965229>who has close business ties to Geega and her businessesAnd the evidence is...?
>>113967686Geega and Seth are the same person.Also Geega said on stream earlier that she was aware of all these problems but chose not to say anything about it because it didn't affect her. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2839178649?t=1h56m0s
>>113965559>NY Italian-AmericanSicilians are just spaghetti jews.>>113965577Nah, a literal Jewess unlike Nimi.>>113965608>If I don't rug pull the goyim, someone else will
this is too stupidthe vtubers can't act as if they were completely innocent they are leading their fans to these scammers knowingly
>>113967843Only makes sense if the vtubers are also in on the scams
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2839178649?t=1h56m0sChatter:>I saw the amalee tweet, is your merch fine?"Geega:>Yes chatter, mine is fine. That's why I mentioned that I already worked on moving my stuff.>I'd already specifically not gone forward with making a figure>I wasn't sure if anybody was gonna tweet or mention it so I didn't wanna say anything because my stuff wasn't affected, so it should only be mentioned by those who are affected by it.>So I'm kinda otherwise keeping out of it.>Because I don't work with that side of things (figurine side), I don't really know that much about it. >I think people have the perception that the merch side and figure side were the same, so they were probably gonna ask anyone who used the merch company about it.>They were not the same thing. So I don't really have much on that side
https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/2085556465973035391
>>113962937Big oof and yikes kind stranger! This ain't it y'all!! Do better!!!
>>113967843They're in on the scam, they get their cut early and then the company ghosts their viewers and they get to blame the bad guys. Meanwhile the bad guy(Seth) makes a new company and they go right back to him.
>>113963130>Seth WeinsteinWho the fuck is this and why do I keep seeing the name in every other thread? I don't follow indie shit.
>>113967989seems kinda weird
>>113967989>I got mine fuck you
>>113968258See this>>113968295She probably kept quiet so her shit would actually be delivered
>>113963541Anon, it is not impressive that you were able to figure out that this is AI.This is about as blatant as it gets. You are almost certainly brown.
>>113968174From what I've gathered in about 10 minutes is, he is some scam artist that has 5-6 vtuber/streaming related companies that are at different stages of forfeiture
lol get fucked seth
>>113963040There are none
Novel Horizons always felt like a scam about to fall apart, they were stringing people along for YEARS with their preorders. It was clearly acting as a Ponzi with preorders on new products clearly providing the funding to fulfill old orders, and that carousel is eventually going to end.
>>113966428blake belladonna from rwby
>>113963717>It's easy to scam women without college degrees and critical thinking skills HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAOh yes! The pinnacle of high intellectualism, a shiny 21st century DEGREE that likely cost upwards of sixty thousand dollars. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAA "CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS" that operate almost entirely on the basis of leftist ideological frameworks that apply an "oppressor" and "oppressed" dichotomy to every single relationship between groups. While simultaneously applying demonizing White men on a cosmic level with the ever present, ENDLESSLY invoked, completely unfalsifiable boogeyman of "White supremacy" that is then used in their prescriptive ideological narratives to explain any and all disparities between groups. THEN they create socially engineering initiatives that directly intervene to explicitly disenfrachise White men, all the while justifying it by applying a "sins of the father" narrative that places retroactive "accountability" for the supposed actions of said White males supposed ancestors. Then, simultaneously, removing accountability from black people and other "POC" for their literal actual behavior that they actually do. Thus creating a ridiculous situation where you demand White men be disenfrachised for the actions of people in the past and demanding that "POC" never be held accountable for their own behavior and even blaming "White supremacy" for their behavior, thus once again invoking the ever present boogeyman of the "evil oppressive White man." THIS is what "college degrees" teach women in the West and little else.
>>113968618bro just put my fries in the bag
>>113968618please tell me this is a copypasta. I can't find a source for this.
>>113968618/pol/
Holy melty
>>113968670Damn, that's really.. lucky
>>113968670Geega more like 'Lucky Larry'! Weird how Vshojo and MSM both got destroyed and she was in both of them, and now she totally didn't know about problems with THIS company!
>>113962937Seth wonGeega wonGrimmi won>"Those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed"
>>113968670>As mentioned a week agoSo Geega knew shit was blowing up for a week or more?
https://www.novelhorizons.com/post/the-last-novel-news
>>113965032>>113968670>>113968850Seems legit
>>113968837yeah, just like with vshojo just like with msm
Coqui was right
>>113968850Interesting timing
>>113968174A career scam artist. He ran MSM, which was one of the largest indie chuuba talent companies until someone did some digging and found out that not only was it operating without a business licence but Seth had a long history of previous ventures that all ended in people getting screwed. When MSM collapsed he quietly folded his merch business into Novel Horizons and they've now scammed people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of merch. He's also a genuine sociopath who spent the better part of a year quietly trying to ruin the careers of an indie group called 3am, badmouthing them at cons to try and get them blacklisted and even pretending to be interested in having them join MSM so he could get their dox and leak it online, seemingly just because he could
>>113962937Is it be or Vshojos love to do these kind of scams?
>>113969204Easy money, easy pity farm, or both
>>113968670>store's closed
>>113968174Scam artist and one of Grimmi and Geegas best friends. He's scammed, doxxed, and signed deals in his talents name without telling them.
>>113966190nothing, you just get to fuck them.
>>113968837seems like itshe saw it coming and arrange to bailNH saw it as a chance to split the group, Geega gets to keep her share while everybody else holding the bag and seth can point to this as proof that he isn't all that bad fr frshe probably got tipped of from here >>113967989and the distinction between merch and figure sounds like sales talking point from the insidelike who the fuck talks like that?
At this point I'm inclined to believe they're all in on it and these failed companies are just a way to launder money. And now everyone 'affected' gets to cry and farm a fuck ton of sympathy and donations from retarded fans. Then they say they'll never let it happen again because they're handling everything before it happens all over again in a year or two.
>>113968670she didn't warn anyone else? kek
Another set of bastards has scammed Henya. Dayo...https://x.com/henyathegenius/status/2085572868092686355
>>113969492She has no obligation to just like the vshojo situation
>>113968618>vtuber assylum users are unironically this retarded
>>113968816>>113968942(((Melody))) won too
>>113968670Waiting for the inevitable Geega dockey
>>113969480More like most indie vtubers are the easiest group to scam because they're all in a rate race for clout and following trends. I feel bad for them but it'll keep happening.
>>113969535>if you don't literally HAVE to do it you shouldn't even if it fucks over your """friends"""Extremely jeet and/or bugman coded post
Maybe you should choose partners by the quality of their products and reliability instead of their’s political views and amounts of posts on twitter?
>dropshipping>dropshipping merchI feel somewhat sorry for them
these indie VTubers always play the victim when their scam is successful and it worksjust look at the average fulfillment rate of donathons
>>113962937This is a good start for antisemitism in vtubing spaces
>>113969514Maybe she shouldn't have left where she was before, things might have been better
>>113969605That's just how geega conducts her business. The other people are clearly not her friends or close enough to discuss business with them
>>113969708Maybe I should fuck your face, dayo
>>113969730You can't just say that to people, Pikamee.
>>113969369How does someone get to con the same scene/social group thrice? Wouldn't he have gotten mega blacklisted by most big chuubas after the first huge scam?
>>113969708I miss Pikamee.
>>113969587Why don't they get a trustable manager or agent or assistant to help weed out the shady dealers?
>>113969788You are THIS close to realizing it just use your brain a little more.
>>113969788Live laugh love *hand heart*
>>113969824Because those guys groom and date them.
>>113969824Not everyone can be so lucky to have a man like steiner in their lives
>>113969788The answer is blackmail and subterfuge. For some, Seth Weinstein has all of their personal info and private conversations which leads to subterfuge, where he has purposefully used the information he gathered against other people already.Or, in Geega's case, she's in on it and happily taking a cut, like with Sponsorbot. Yes, Seth is co-owner of sponsorbot. Yes, part of their NDA specifically says you cannot tell anyone who actually works there. Geega is as bad of a scammer as Seth is.
>>113969824Yeah, they could get a manager at MSM-oh
>>113969756Pikamee can fuck MY face any time she wants!!!
>>113962937>bankruptcalled it a year ago figures never made and grimmi silver coin scam
>>113966139>>A autistic American involved in 6 different lawsuits in 5 different states who has to spend 12 hours a day doing random hacker man shit to keep his website onlinedidn't know Null did vtuber merch
>>113965886The other Mint, the fat one, is a jew.He is confussing the two.
>>113967989>>113968670There's no way she wasn't in on this
>>113969902>>113970277Bruuuuh I always liked Geega a lot so I don't want to think she could be that kind of person...
Geega was right
>>113970362>Geegabusiness first and her friends are too stupid in believing her words
>>113969902>Seth is co-owner of sponsorbothe is doing the same thing again collecting usernames, real names and addresses like he did with his last company>NDA specifically says you cannot tell anyone who actually works therewhy all this secrecy?
>>113970471Secrecy so they can spin up another company under someone else's name
>check which tubers were involved>it's all the usual greedy western whoresGood, their fans deserve to get scammed whenever possible.
>>113969902>by deception, do merch
>>113965032>$300,000 of her fan's money down the toiletoops!
>>113970525>it's all the usual greedy western whores>t. fandead
>>113966139Seth is a jew man, not an American >WeinSTEIN
I shall now declareMister Seth Weinsteinofficially,...#CURSED!!!!https://youtu.be/md2rzVo5Jp0?si=uBtWwXXqkeiFIt4B
>>113965386>Melodythe slut?
>>113962937>Bao>Vienna>Amalee>Shondo>Zentreya>MataraSucks for them but it couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people
>>113970831Vienna and Ama are pretty innocent tho
>>113970831>Zentreyawhat did she do to deserve this?
>>113970831Apart from pretending to be a woman for a decade Zentreya does not strike me as a scammer.
>>113970842>>113970858>>113970864>Not my e-whore! She couldn't possibly deserve to get scammed
>>113965032>>113968018This whole thing is nuts. I hope she was in on the scam, because otherwise going from "I haven't heard anything good or bad from the company aside from getting my money from them" to "I haven't heard anything from the company, but everybody charge back your transactions" in the space of two hours would be a huge red flag to any merch companies who want to work with her in the future.
>>113970842Didn't Amalee just try to start some south korean ponzi scheme where she asks other people sign a contract to make songs for her?
>>113962937Scamming VTubers is the new META
>>113963130
>>113962937Uh oh indies oopsies?
>>113962937How many of the figures that they took preorders for actually get made? I remember they had an issue with some figures melting in trailers early on and that was a huge red flag for me so I never bought anything from them.I ask because all the pictures on their site look like renders and not the physical products.
>>113970401I'm sorry, what?>take preorders for products>use money to make molds and stuff and produce the productsEven with things increasing in price, how do they lose two million dollars in two years? They set their own prices, there should be lots of room in the selling price for overhead, and along the way they can increase the price of newer products to offset their increasing costs. This isn't even business 101, it's more basic and intrinsic than that.>300k wire fraudWhat's the story there?
>>113969093Law enforcement is too lax with these guys, that's why they start doing it just for fun when they could make plenty of money just doing legitimate business and building a good reputation.
>>113969093Is there any proof he's involved with Novel Horizons? I'd be disappointed with Grimmi if she let it happen twice.
>>113971112>he thinks it was only twice
>>113970947>newBro, it's been happening for YEARS now
>>113970929No
Has Legal Mindset done a video on this Seth Weinstein guy?
>>113971112>if she let it happenOh she let it happen alright>hey, we did make silver grimmicoins>but not enough for everyone who bought one>you might not get one, too bad
>>113971112>twiceanon look up the last three years
>>113971161>Seth Weinsteinopenly talk about a jew on youtube like that will not get him banned
>>113962937Everything indies do is scam money out of their fans and go to orgies
>>113970831>They're all in Vshojo circle Do you guys think it's a conspiracy ?
>>113971112Grimmi is part of the scam ring, anyone still supporting her or buying anything she shills is a fucking retard and deserves to get scammed.
>>113971373Yes, I remember how bao used to brag about getting into all the vshojo parties at cons. My guess is she joined the scam cult there.
>>113971396>scam cultpart of the whore clan but scamming is not her strong point like her fansly and stream schedule she baits
>>113971396i would hope that bao is good at scamming after being the victim of so many scams herself
how do people even keep falling for this shit?honestly everyone involved just deserves it at this point.
It looks like they did deliver some figures, so were they really a scam or just couldn't create a viable business model?It could just be that they didn't sell enough to cover the costs of the design work.
>>113962937>Phase Connect partners with them>the company diesCoincidence?
>>113971590I forgive her because she is insanely hot and like me she also goons to the idea of her cute little feet being tickled.
imagine spending money on vtuber merch lmao
>>113968018>the last I heard a month ago the sample was still being madehold the fuck up, they didn't even have a sample made when they sold this shit? vtubers were peddling and fans were buying a fucking purely conceptual 300 dollar figure from a known scam artist????? what the actual fuck is wrong with liggers, jesus christ
>>113965769There isn't much of a conspiracy. Her sudden boost to fame was a mix of being a Zentreya orbiter and VShojo membership. Once you hit a certain point, it's easy to sit there as long as you don't do something that rocks the boat (and even then, a chunk of your fans will stick around).
>>113971796>what the actual fuck is wrong with liggersMore money than sense. I wouldn't say many of them "lucked" into popularity at an early age, but its also true that they're not exactly businesspeople weathered by experience and the strikes of real life.
>>113971112>twiceShe also got stuck with the bag for his worthless hot sauce company
>>113971879Grimmi is Seth's dump, she takes all his shit and does it with a smile.
>>113971678Ponzi scheme, start big projects, pay out initial orders (after paying yourself) take on new orders to pay out the first orders, repeat. Once you rake in enough paying yourself you declare bankruptcy and never fulfill the ongoing projects/orders.
>>113971979so this is actual provable fraud
>>113972047>provablenot in a court of law it isnt and thats what counts
>>113972047Not unless they got a whistleblower or a forensic audit.
>>113968351And the AI slop defender appears. Yes, faggot, it's very obvious it's AI. No one is doubting that. The thing I'm mocking is that someone still decided to post it as if it was worth posting. If I shit on a plate and presented it to you at a dinner table you'd rightly tell me to fuck off.
>>113963479kek this is funny
>>113971979Yes, presumably what they do is start lots of companies, pay themselves a nice salary from all of them with minimal work time invested, and let them survive paying costs with preorders until the house of cards collapses.
>>113972270Also even if they were over extending they can just play stupid, you basically have to prove that money from later orders was paying earlier pre-orders and it was knowingly unsustainable with potentially manipulated financial records. Which only happens when enough consumers complained that it actually gets a forensic audit.
No bank is going to do chargebacks for this shit some of them bought figures over 2 3 years ago and were still waiting
>>113971678>were they really a scam or just couldn't create a viable business model?Yes, and also yes.The scam is that these outfits promise indies the moon for the price of a coffee with a completely unrealistic projection of revenue. Gura and Pewdiepie and Mr. Beast have enough paying viewers that the math in the brochure works out in practice. For anybody else it goes past a simple error or poor market timing right into lying through their teeth.The figures and dakis and gamersupps cups need to sell like a million units to keep everybody above water and there was no fucking way anybody is selling a million vtuber ass pillows except Gura.
>>113972324>it actually gets a forensic audit.Aren't you giga ultra fucked in the case an audit does happen tho
>>113971103>theywho exactly are 'they'?
>>113972443Regular audit? No you can cook the books by pooling money together so no one knows who/what the account is for, send it through multiple banks etc. It can get really muddy without the accusation of a criminal intent to make it a forensic audit. If enough people complain which is what they should do, it might get looked into. But it's not necessarily true that any bankruptcy gets that level of audit normally.
>>113972443>>113972432>>113972324>>113972270>>113971979The guys who ran Enron are still out there pulling the same scam today, the entire system is setup by design to not be able to prosecute people like that.Seth will be scamming people till the day he dies. We're going to have threads about shit like this for the next 50 years.
>>113962937>last week liggers shit talk phase merch for being slow>another liggers scam involving the same liggers dropstalk shit get hitKWAB
>>113962937Well, she's in the Turd's clique. Wouldn't be much a surprise to me if it turns out that she is in with this "bankrupted" company and now is counting her free scam money while laughing at retarded fans who gobbled the entire thing up without asking any questions and even provided her with some free "victim" exposure.
Geega is scummy and people need to wake up to this fact.
CorpoCHADS send their regards.
Grimmi status?
>>113972513Partially true yeah, financial crime is a joke if they know the right people. Or they end up like Sam Bankman Fried cause they wont diddle kids for moloch or whatever.
>>113972521You realize that Phase also had a deal with them?
>>113972521Phase wins
>>113964974and bitches won't do anything about it can they even?
>>113972594>expecting a phasefag to actually know anything about phase
>>113970362Funny it was the other way around for me, she seems alright, but she just stinks, I can't explain it, even early on when she got boosted and just became popular.
>>113972707>the ligger bitch cries in horror as their trash gets scammed again
>>113971112Grimmi was always pathetic, always picking the worst existing option, why would anyone be surprised?
>>113972740phase is a "ligger bitch" I guess.
>>113963479The script may be funny but the ai slop is absolutely abysmal, one of the guy's flaps move and no sound comes out. Jesus Christ. Anyway i hope somebody brings this whole shtick up to geega to see what she says about the new scam
>multiple merch drops>massive order numbers>near perfect fulfillment every timeTake notes fleshoids. And this is even accounting for some inevitable hiccups along the way. One of the plushes I ordered got lost, so they sent an email immediately, offered either a full refund or a replacement, then delivered the replacement I chose within a week.
>>113971678People are being dramatic, it just wasn’t a viable business (obviously). Real figure companies are Japan and China where everything is cheaper. Combine this with Trump’s tariffs and costs are just gonna rise beyond what you can manage. The statues they designed aren’t exactly great, but for these girls who Japan wasn’t gonna touch it was their only option.
>>113972920There's a huge difference between not being able to take on new orders and having to close down, and not fulfilling who knows how much $ in preorders and not offering refunds. They'd have to be operating on debt to go insolvent with this much stuff hanging in the air.
>>113969708No... Pikammee can't have 3D
>>113973001>Increased logistical costs, production costs, and shrinking sales eroded our cash reserves. That forced us to take on debt just to keep operating, and ultimately left us assetless and without capital.Congratulations, you figured it out.It’s happened to a million companies before, it’ll happen to a million companies again
>>113972882so true saarai are the futures and benchod luddite are left behinds
>>113971112The only proof we have is Coqui's words. She also called out Geega but Geega ignored her. How much you want to trust someone like Coqui is up to you.
>>113973051>continued taking on costs in the red without fulfilling orders for like a year without maintaining capital to honor refundsEven the most basic economically literate person would understand you can't keep launching projects to get you out of the red if you can't even honor initial projects. Hopefully enough people complain that they get a proper audit though.
>>113972920but the tariffs got refunded.
>>113969788they're all in on it, do you think she's gonna pay out of pocket to refund her fans?
>>113969788In Grimmi's case she does have an actual brain tumor
>>113973213She led the craziest life man. Still can't believe she worked as an escort (?) or lived in her car for a while. Obviously super glad that she is safe now but man does she have the wildest IRL lore.
>>113970831>Chud Orbiter Connect seething at anyone remotely near the Vshojo community take 42
>>113963130>Weinsteinof course its a fucking jew
>>113962937>Indies can do whatever corpos can doWell well well
>>113970831Why are there so many scam adjacent people connected with vshorejo?
>>113971396bao is the leader of the whore clan one of the strongest circles within the vtubing sphere so not exactly vshojo but she and the whore clan have an insane amount of power and own a majority steak in most of the companies that sponser vtubers like gfuel uwu market ect.
>>113972521>liggersit was the holobros who were badmouthing phase.
>>113973082keep getting scammed mexibro.
>>113974291Makes it crazier that when you check out her streams she comes off as this uwu so silly wholesome cute girl who could do no harm and is totally innocent.
>>113962937classic indie vtubing
>>113974061>Matara gets an offer to do a thing>Tells everyone she knows to do the thing tooIt's what she did when she joined Vshojo too except back then she only knew Nijisanji members. Now she knows Bao and other bigname indies so she convinces them to follow her dumb shit instead.Shondo isn't part of the in crowd but thinks if she keeps copying them all the time they'll notice her one day.
>>113971734>insanely hotYou have severe yellow fever. She's a solid 6.5 but is too muscly now. Asian women don't look good when they gym too much.
>>113974378The key is whether Matara is a Slav or a (((slav)))
>5 years of merch rugpulls and drama are somehow always connected to the Bao + Vshojo circleBeing a nooticer might put a target on my back but I will fight on
>>113962937Using a known scammer to take the blame. Get all the money and no merch sent out.
>>113974670Cut Bao some slack. She's a rookie, she's still really inexperienced about business things.
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>>113972047The first part is normal business stuff except they were either really really bad at it, or they scammed people.
>>113973213>>113973826I really do genuinely believe grimmi isn't a hardcore grifter and has a good heart, but it leads her to being gullible as fuck at times and the brain cyst can only be used as an excuse for so long. At the very least I don't feel sorry for any fans that are still getting rugpulled because of the company she keeps. After a certain point you have to learn that you simply can't trust some people with your money no matter how much you like them.
>>113975123you are gullible and a rube
The worst part is ex-vshojo members are still involved.>Vshojo stole the money guys Im Sowwy( 2 jews involved behind the scenes daniel sanders and melody)>novel horizons(another jew involved behind the scenes Weinstein) which most ex-vshojo members are involved with stole the money Im sowwy.I know simpcity has shown the average IQ of a simp but even there is a limit to how braindead a simp can be to realize a pattern.
>>113972882piss lamp
>Geega just happens to end her involvement with Vshojo before shit goes down>Geega just happens to move her involvement off of NH before shit goes downin other walks of life or respectable industry, this is kinda like insider trading.but it is vtubing and vtubing is fake business, so you can do whatever and people dont ask questions
it sure is strange that the same circle of vtubers keep falling for the same scams at the same time and scamming their fanbases out of thousands.aint that something, fellas?
>>113975164้huh
Grimmi's just gone live and is going to talk about it apparently for anyone interested.
>>113975356>at the same timeThis has been happening for years nowIt's just that no one called out the figures never being delivered until now
>>113963717It's easy to scam women in general.
>>113975377>don't go and attack Novel Horizons>the people there are still good peopleJesus Christ
>>113975406there are gullible retards out there that will tell you Grimmi is a good girl and just gullible
>>113975406>the people there are still good peopleDon't they have 2 employees left
>>113965769>She went from a literal nobody to suddenly joining a major vtuber agency and everyone singing her praises about how sweet and amazing and hardworking she wasYea that's extremely sus. *turns on hololive stream*
>>113975377>they told me the coins had already been minted>they hadn't so I was pretty pissed about thatThen how can she say they're good people?
>>113975258geega is the kind of person who, if she was the ceo of a big company, dumps the toxic waste into the local water supply to save a couple bucks and sees nothing wrong with it
>>113975443Nta and I've no real opinion of Geega other than finding her arrogance irritating but those simply aren't comparable situations. In the case of Hololive it's the brand that suddenly makes unknown vtubers known obviously.
>>113975455From her perspective, anyone who didn't rip someones finger off twice is not evil
>>113975455Grimmi is a bad person and gullible tards keep falling for it and making excuses for her. Coqui the only vtuber who had the balls to call Grimmi what she was, and Grimmi had shit running down her leg instantly in fear because someone with a name dare challenge her.Like all of the people involved in this are the same bad actors who have scammed their fanbases several times before. It is comedy theatre at this point.
>>113975377>it's not a ponzi scheme they were making the productsYou LITERALLY just said your products weren't made. Multiple other vtubers have said they've been waiting years for models. This is insane.
so basically if there is an "opportunity" with Zen, Geega, AmaLee, Matara, Henya, Shondo, Grimmi, Bao etc involved, then know it is bullshit and dont give them a dime. Viewers need to stop falling for their scams.
>>113962937she sould send nudes as compensation to them, being fleshie gives her that option
It's laughable how easy it seems to be to infiltrate the EN indie space and get away with a scam. All you need is one semi relevant vtuber to be in on it and then once they announce it all the jealous others will follow the trend because if someone else is doing it then they should be too. There's hardly any one left that puts thought into things for themselves, it's all a corrupt incestuous shit fest.
>>113975562I feel bad for henya out of all of those because I genuinely believe she is just trying to follow people she thinks she can trust for this other stuff. After this I don't see how she trusts any of them ever again.
>>113975387Didnt Vshoujo go down a year ago? Has she mentioned any problems before? It seems like kind of a bad look if she was told a year ago it basically wasnt happening and didnt say anything until it exploded
>I heard Geega is going to have a company, maybe we should work with herReading Grimmi's chat is very funny.Absolutely lmao
>>113975623Everyone knew the fans weren't getting the figures
>Seth is not at the top of NovelhorizonsGreat I did not want to know he's the bottom
bet these girls wish they had a corpo to shield them from their latest scam
>>113975627I fucking hate cunts like this
>>113975672What do you mean, dude..the system is working as intended
>>113975672Corpos are just advanced scams in general, particularly the smaller ones.
>>113975710At least fans usually still get merch and things they pay for, unless it's phase connect.
>>113975377>I'm not going to be able to get any money back>when a business is shutting down it's overIf they're actually declaring bankruptcy she could at least declare herself as a creditor. Yeah she's probably going to be low down the list and might not receive anything but she could still try.
>I can't hold them accountable, they have no moneyThere's still jail time
>>113975742phase merch is actually real and I can go on ebay and find phase produced merch of my oshi if i want. cant say the same thing about these cheap novel horizons coins or figurines.
I've tried nothing and I'm out of options. Anyways, please buy my latest gamersupps flavor!
vtubing is the only industry where hundreds of thousands of dollars can be stolen at a time, and nobody so much as gets charged with a crime. not even a little fall guy on the bottom rung of the ladder.everybody gets away with it
>>113975820>the only industrylmfao
>>113975820Not really man, that's pretty much every industry. This kind of shit is really common.
>>113975901>>113975884my point is that they dont even have the decency that a low level fuck gets legally held accountable. it's just shoulder shrug "oh well, onto the next thing that surely isn't a scam"when are customers gonna try and organize a class action lawsuit against some of these people?
>>113975939The company can say they didn't know and the fucker who got in bed with them is hiding behind a virtual mask, getting to blame the vtuber is already a task too high up the ladder for most fans since they just forgive them anyway. I was expecting vtubers to pull an ironmouse honestly since it seems like it works really well. Say that your donation money got stolen then ask for people to donate again instead of tanking that hit yourself since you know...you are the one who was responsible for the money
>>113975939that's not how laws work
>>113975939How would they hold a low level person accountable? >"whoops we ran out of money" >"its uhh... all bobs fault" >"yeah, fuck bob, its his fault, stupid fuck" >swat team busts down the door and arrests bob
Grimmi live defending Seth and Novel right now. "They're all really good people that just made a few mistakes, you shouldn't be mad at them"
>>113969708What a nijisister thing to say.
>>113976258Lol. She halfway defended them til she found out it wasn't just her and one other person who got fucked over. She found out how widespread it was then just dropped the defense of novel
Servers amalee right for not joining Hololive
>faggot scammer scams vtubers and their fans>incels blaming the girls and screeching at them, ignoring the actual scammer incels are such low iq monkeys
>>113975820lolwhat. the only way anyone ever gets punished is if they steal money from people richer than they are (see theranos, sam fried, madoff).when it's the other way around nothing happens. literally one (1) guy got jailed after the 2007 GFC. ONE. After they illegally collapsed the entire global economy. And it was some Egyptian sandnigger no-one cared about.
>Meanwhile grimmi is staying quiet and flying out to amsterdam to play shitty horror gamesrumao
>>113976577The girls should stop taking bad deals and asking the viewers to pah for their mistakesIt is always the same girls doing it how many more times do we need a Grimmi, Shondo, Bao, Zen etc sob story?
>>113975472Now imagine hololive except it's natural
>>113976970Doing shady deals is basically just them gambling with other people's money
>>113976970they dont care because someone else ends up having to pay for it and hold the bag
>>113976501She defended them for months if not years while everyone knew this was going on. She's just backtracking because she's finally being called out for once
Why does this happen to indies so much
>>113970929You're talking about the Hybe thing, and yea they're extremely shady.
>>113962937Youd would think, with the rise of 3d printing farms, production would be less of an issue.
Isn't this actually a perfect scam? Even if a collective group could get together to sue, they would make no progress because:1. the manufacturer declared bankruptcy and has no capital to pay damages out from2. the indie can claim they were a pure licensor to dodge the apparent manufacturer doctrine
>>113977220its easy to get young women to work with you without them doing due dilligence whereas corpos have actual lawywers and good practice so it is slightly more challenging
>>113977220>happen to indieswhat happened to them? the only ones affected seem to be their fans
I actually got a Grimm coin
>>113977735Post coin
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>>113977735At least you didn't lose your money
>>113978212it is worth nothing
>>113978212Timestamp your image I want to see your hand in frame with a date as you hold the coin.
>>113978292I'm not white so won't post my hand
>>113978212How big it is?
It was taken from novels website, sorry anons
>>113975939The company is its own legal entity that gets off scot-free. This is how the US works. And it's often brought up literally that serial entrepreneurs can keep trying until they strike gold is a reason the US is a richer country, Asia in Europe or Japan if you fail like that they can actually come after you personally and hence they never manage to groom the same level of sociopathic high-level CEOs as the US does.
if I ever see my oshi do some merch project and Shondo, Bao & the Vshojo clique are among the clients, I am running. I may even just deactivate my credit card or report it stolen just to get a new one. why risk it these people are all walking ponzi schemes.
>>113976970Let me give you a hint, the girls are also the scammers
>>113978271Nta but they're solid silver, so they are worth something. That's part kf the issue.
>>113978292>Timestamp your image I want to see your hand in frame with a date as you hold the coin.Nta but it isnt that unusual; some of the smaller orders were shipped out
>>113974291>bao is the leaderbao doesn't lead anything lol what is this
>>113975472And with GEEGA it was vshojo
>>113978212It's too bad she tainted this idea because I feel like oshi coins would be a good collectible.
>>113979511Just don't use precious metals and it's quite easy to do
>>113962937EverysteinSinglebergTimeowitz
