Hundreds of thousands in undelivered merch, silver disappeared, many /lig/gas and their senpaitachi scammed.It just keeps happening
Corporations are bad, indies can handle their’s merch, only idiots give part of the salar for that.!
>I've bought Hololive, Mint Fantome, Dokibird, Limealicious merch >Never had a problem It seems that only Hololive and the ex-corpos are the only ones worth buying merch from
>>113980444this>bought hololive and ex-corpo (mint, dokibird, nimi, limealicious)always delivered with no problems>bought phase and indie merchalways late, never arriving, or extremely low quality>conclusionnever buy phase or indie merchandiseit's that simple
>>113979920>the money you paid us simply vaporized, it can't be helped
That didn’t age wellhttps://youtu.be/z9adDaD_Kac
>>113980532That's exactly what happens, then the creditors get first dibs on the liquidation of assets.
>>113979920Oh no! Anyways, were there any bad happenings this day?
>>113979920How many scams will poor Grimmi fall for? She's too sweet and gullible.
>>113980544I doubt they even had any assets unless creditors want to be paid in acrylic standees
>>113980510Shhh, Phase shills will tell you its acceptable because Sakana slaves away in the warehouse 23 hours a day
>>113980552Infinite because she has no boundaries.
>>113980552Just wait six to twelve months until seth ropes her into another fun adventure
Here is another onehttps://youtu.be/RBpL9KmLBiM?t=19
>>113980544if the money is gone, where is the product? if all the money disappeared into "operations", then it was never a business, it was a scam.
>>113980688It can't be a scam because if it was basically half of /lig/ knowingly worked with a bunch of scammers.Most of them are sugarcoating it saying they tried but ran out of money for "reasons"
>>113980552Grimmi is in on the scams
>>113979920
>>113980510have literally never had my Phase merch not be delivered to me in anything less than as advertised Sure it took 6-8 months, but I got it.
>>113980510if you want phase merch, the move is to go to one of the 12 conventions they are at in a year. get it that moment + no shippingacting like their products are phantom and don't exist like many of these novel horizons products or vshojo merch towards the end is simply a lie
Why do all the discussions imply the indies are the largest victims? The hundreds of thousands of stolen dollars are from fans who trusted them.
>>113980552grimmi could kill half the population of earth and then use her mommy voice and say im sorry and all her audience would keep watching
>>113979920>many /lig/gas and their senpaitachi scammedDeserved. Fuck /lig/.
>>113981658Now that's one hell of a cuck shrine.
>>113982002I don't like it but you're completely right
You're telling me EVERY SINGLE TIME it involves ex-vshojos and whoreclanLike EVERY TIME it's always themThey clearly don't get a single fuck about whether or not they get fucked over because they get the money, while fans get nothingThis is why you NEVER buy merch from them, NEVER
>>113980624No. Grimmi seemed to actually be mad after realizing how fucked NH has been for a few years
>>113982214she has defended the scammer countless times even after he was exposed for it, i have no sympathy for her, at this point she is one of them.
>>113981521Along with her donation to the tranny charity
>>113981521She isn't gonna do this. Like every other time that froot offers to put up something then backs out or waits until everyone forgets.
>>113981981>Why do all the discussions imply the indies are the largest victims? The hundreds of thousands of stolen dollars are from fans who trusted them.These indie vtubers would be blaming Seth Weinstein instead of defending him if they had been scammed. They got their money and it was only the fans who got nothing. Shit like this explains why Hololive does well despite their issues since the EN vtuber market is filled with scammers.
>>113980711Weird, that's what people said about the vshojos when it imploded
>>113982306>>113982399holoseethe
>>113979920>>113980532I found the corpo guy from the articles fb if thats anything to yous?
>>113980444half of ex-vshoujo corpo vtubers were also scammed in this
>>113983715Wow, that really sucks. I feel bad for them, they have terrible luck that something like this is happening again. I'm glad Wildcard Club is legit and totally not going to implode horribly
>>113979920Just out if curiosity, why didn't the lig scammers use the established companies that always deliver? And instead went with this jew again? Even if the price is like 10-20% more, you have a guaranteed product..
>>113979920Damn Grimmicoin really fucked them.
>>113980552>fall for?She is in on them, you fucking retard..
>>113983833They made a gamble but it wasn't their money so they don't lose anything
>>113983849They seem to have been making these gambles for years now.
>>113983874Why would they stop? Either they make money when it succeeds or it fails and the fans pay for it. They lose nothing
>>113983969>Why would they stop?Fans, if they have 2 working brain cells, would stop buying after the first or second time.
>>113983811>wildcard clubthe music project?
>>113980444idk man the sensetsu thing with mint's spooky shit from last year is fucking annoying. if you didnt buy a bundle ur STILL waiting on ur plushie
>>113984007Don't you want to support your oshi's projects?
>>113984148Numbermonkeys don't care about vtubers, projects, or streams. All they do is ook ook at spreadsheets.
>>113984148Yes, only if my oshi isn't trying to get me scammed. It is the same retarded vtubers stepping on the same scam landmines and their fanbases are always the ones left holding the bag with money lost and no item paid for.
>>113984179They are okay with the scamming because they do the same when they run subathons or whatever donation drive for their next vacation. This hobby revolves around front loaded promises and no refunds.
>>113979920Imagine how smug he feels after Saba fucked off for half a year, all the indie concerts being dumpster fires, holodream printing 20 million dollars in a week and now /lig/gers once again getting scammed by a merch company
>>113983715What does that have to do with my post?
>>113984493Yagoo could literally care less, and I don't know how any of this has to to with Hololive. Hololive exists in its own bubble, brother.
All the indies who are money grubbers and don't give a fuck about their fans fall for these scams. They see some no-name bullshit company spring up asking to peddle a $500 figure to their fans and these stupid women immediately take the bait. Asking for a portfolio? Past sales? Product samples? Anything? NOPE! They just go with it and sit and then realize they've been raped 1-2 years later.You're responsible for at least trying to look out for your fans because they trust you. If you're a fan of these dumb bimbos, just remember "First time shame on you, second time shame on me". Stop buying their bullcrap when they pop up with the "OMG GUYS I JUST FOUND SUPER DUPER COMPANY WITH NO EMPLOYEES WHO PROMISED TO MAKE ME A FIGURE THEY JUST NEED A GORILLION DOLLARS FROM YOU!"I hope these fans took something away from their $500 lesson or they'll be repeating class.
>>113984493>>113984798He's a boss, he doesn't even notice it. He is too worried about the empire.
>>113984937Ignorant retarded post. NH successfully delivered products for years.
>>113980444I don't think you can count Vinesauce as a corpo, anon
>>113984798>could literally care lessBased ESL chad.
>>113985021Yes by taking money from new preorders to fulfill old ones, guess what eventually happens when new orders stop?
>>113979920>Indies being laughably retarded and getting scammed yet againAnd they wonder why nobody likes them or takes them seriously lmao
>>113979920Apparently Grimmi won't be able to buy new house now. Please donate her more money...
>>113985250It was unbelievable that they still tried to fulfill orders after silver prices spiked.
>>113985250Grifti does it again, I wonder what next scam she and her boyfriend Seth will do.
>>113985190Do you think they tell that to new clients?
>>113979920vtubers that keep doing business with known scammers are sketchy as hell and i don't understand why their fans keep shelling out money for these things. simps are so fucking braindead
cant be another grimmi scam.....
>>113985746Well some really don't know. You give them too much credit. They don't think about the WHO is behind the company part. Many don't come here to /vt/ because you know we are all racist brown chuds, so they don't have our levels of skepticism. They are trapped in the hugbox of toxic positivity.
>>113985833not knowing isn't an excuse. you're supposed to look into the company or people you're doing business with for obvious reasons
>>113980552Grimmi is missing a 4th of her brain so she is an easy sucker
>be vtuber>announce merch >get preorders>merch company bankrupts>share the scam money >bitch and moan to your audience>cry a little>vague post on xitter>wait few months>repeatIt's that easy
>>113979920Who?
>>113985941>he believes that
>>113985953It's kinda like a ponzi scheme Grimmi will use donations from fans to pay her old fans that got scammed.In a weird roundabout way if you donate to her you're donating to seth rugpulling everyone
Not trying to troll but this board is extremely foreign and I don't think anons here understand that burger law is literally designed to shield corporations as much as possible.>>113985953You almost have a good point but you didn't read anything so you don't know that the talent don't get paid.
>>113985994>that the talent don't get paidYeah? couse they said so?
you will get your 2% and you will fucking like it
>>113986027believe all women, especially the ones who keep getting their viewers involved with the same scams
>>113985833>They don't think about the WHO is behind the companyGrimmi 100% knew seth was behind this she just kept quiet until someone started digging and posted proof here then she slipped up on stream and admitted it.Even during today's stream she tried to downplay Seth's involvement.
>>113985250Kill yourself, Rima.
>>113986027Since I don't have the financial statements in front of me, it's all a matter of trust. And between a talent and some random guy on /vt/, I'd still rather trust the former
>>113986238a sucker is born every minute
>>113986269A rare example of self-reflection on /vt/, I commend you
>>113986238>keeps getting scammed over and over by the same people>continues doing business with them anyway>"she said she didn't know and i trust her!!"what do you even call this?
>>113986027Why would they pay the talent rather than keep the money themselves? Do you not understand how stealing works?
>>113986357>give party 1 (the vtuber) a cut of the money so you can repeat the scam all over again>their retard fanbases keep falling for itI don't think you understand how running schemes works
>>113986355>over and over by the same peopleExecpt for Grimmi none of the people involved in this were affiliated with MSM. So I'm not sure where that "same people" come from, care to explain?
>>113986493so what you're saying is that all of these people are going into business deals completely blind to whoever their new business partners even are, and you're defending this? bro you need help, this level of simping is not normal
>>113986493grimmi and geega are the only two people have been associated with seth. geega made a partnership with seth for her corporation and a version of serybot she is trying to build yet this he has failed three of his businesses
>>113986107She literally stated on stream months ago that the silver obsessed Novel Horizons twitch account that's always in her stream is Seth's partner. Anyone who would believe her downplaying is just as willfully ignorant as she is
>>113985833>They don't think about the WHO is behind the company part.Back up. Why is the World Health Organization dabbling in vtuber merch?
>>113986415What do you mean "repeat the scam"?
>>113986493The culture war tourists on /vt/ don't actually know nor care about vtubers or their relationships, so they seriously believe every indie is somehow colluding in a war against them specifically
>>113986590The company had a good track record.
>>113987055so did vshojo
>>113980444The ex-Vshojos that left early (Nyan, Vei, Silver) don't have this problem either. Really makes you think..
>>113987427Yea
the vtubers sympathy baiting over this is actually sickeningthey lost 1 maybe 2 copies worth of their own money, assuming they even bought their own merchare fans just some infinite money bag afterthought?
>>113987668They lost 6 figures in some cases what are you talking about
>>113987698no they didn't? fans paid NH directly
>>113987055no they fucking didn't, you fucking liar
Interesting
>>113987668>are fans just some infinite money bag afterthought?Only when the vtuber gets in trouble and the fans abandon her.
>>113987876Did you really forgot to delete two images of a separate shitpost before making a montage?...
>>113987545Well Vei is retired and Nyan just uses GamerSupps for her merch. I'm sure the splits aren't as good, but the tasty lead powder business is probably insanely high profit margin so the business is stable. Silver actually did have one of these shitty figurines, but it was early so I think they actually got made.
>>113987055A track record of working with literally who indies is not a good one
>>113987876......you maybe really on something this time anon...
>>113987949Nice try Johnny :) Gonna take you to court myself even if no shondo fans have the balls to
>>113983833Because one of their friends is linked to it
>>113988015Oh I know I am and I am gonna enjoy watching him squirm. I don't watch Shondo but my friend is one of her favourite paypigs and NOBODY fucks with my friends
>>113987876QRD? what am I looking at?
>>113988104The man running novel horizons and the man responsible for scamming several vtuber fans, Jonathan Solis
>>113988076He'd have gotten away with it to if one of my friends wasn't a Shondo fan who got scammed, unfortunately where I'm from we have a saying, fuck with one of us and you've fucked with all of us
>>113988193I don't see what the connection to Dokibird is
>>113983833This guy get it..... because Vtuber merch have incredible peofit's margin already but the important point is > you must deliver your merch to your friend But they really not understand just plain and simple logic and their fans pay the price.....If this shit continues, Western Vtuber will die in 2-3 years because fans will not trust Vtuber and never open their wallet again.They should learn from Kson, she got scammed but not tell her fans but put her money pocket out and deals with new local Japanese manufacturer and fix all of problem before fan notice anything.Merch all arrived and Kson talked about this as joke like real responsibility person does
>>113987756NH was supposed to pay the talent after that.>>113987819They shipped figures successfully in the past. They hosted tons of meet and greets at conventions successfully. Everything looked legit until this week.
This happens so fucking often I swear to god the chuubas are in on it. They must get a cut of the money and then just make sadposts about how their fans got nothing.
>>113988352They should change merch manufacturers to SEA or Japan now maybe Taiwan is better than this shit
>>113988390There are some for sure. There are 3 layers we have to go through here. 1 is the usual vtuber you see up front, 2 is the vtuber docs we dig up, 3 is the real person behind the screen and what they REALLY think. This is the hardest one to get to. You get here if you can attend the real Offkai meetings, or other vtuber cons business side. You have to see people who do not look like fans and look like investors.
>>113988390Yes, I begin to suspect that as welll because Vtuber really don't lose anything because they put all blame to manufacture but who paid for it can't do anything but wait their Vtuber acts something....Not everyone has a good heart like Kson and in the worst case scenario.....it's a great betrayal ...
>>113988496This guy get it because in the end...>Entertainment never free
>>113988609Coqui has 10x the credibility of Grimmi or Geega
I really think Vtuber should learn about "pre-stock" more than " pre-order" now.
>>113988284>Western Vtuber will die in 2-3 years because fans will not trust Vtuber and never open their wallet againsmall indies who have tried to sell their own merch and get scared when the deadline comes and do not have the merch ready panic. it has happened to many times either they lie or they slight chance they admit it will delayed. this was before kawa and orchid8 the vtubers got contact with some factory in china
>>113988664You base this assessment on what exactly? Vibes?
>>113988590I got interested in it when I kept asking myself how certain vtubers kept getting support from managers and other staff activities? I wondered how vtubers as small as they were kept getting on normie streams and animated videos? Turns out many of these people are from other forms of streaming like Twitch streamers, YT as a whole, some Hollywood, and even AV outfits like Fansly and OF. Good thing is vtubing is very small and easy to navigate but here is a whole 3rd level I have never seen. There is a reason the same names keep popping up all the time.
>>113979920Surely
>>113988390Yea there is no way that two dumb guys jumped into a booming industry a few years ago with no idea how to run a company.
this is already like the 2nd or 3rd scam grimmi has been in this year and it is only august
>>113987876> it's a phasefagCan't make this shit up
>>113988771ember and clio are not real phase connect members. they are like muslims trying to pretend they are french or british via immigration
>>113988708Logistics is much harder and requires people who specialize in it. Big indies despite their size and corpo connections lack the fundraising powers that corpos have.
>>113988862Anonchama..... it's not that hard and if third worlder can do that because exporter. How the fuck first worlder can't do?
>>113988718You may got something anon... because as a businessman, I feel something very off in these cases. It maybe work as organization. This also relates to me as a Vtuber merch collector.
>>113988609i have no trust in coqui but from watching geega and grimmi streams when these matters became public leds me to believe they knew more>grimmimultiple times has defend seth and has said he is involved with NH but did not say what position he was in the company. her nervous breakdown last year when she let it slip that he was working with NH attracted more attention. saying that multiple people have warned her about NH past troubles and she talked to NH about it and admitting it was nothing big >geegasince she was with her old company msm and when she joined vshojo. she always talked business with seth getting all the information she needed. when msm shut down still defended him and vshojo imploded she knew the company was going down when her merch was not coming out and looking at the books. last week she said her merch with NH was done and moving warehouse to finish it
>>113989018Because they have to pay people for it. They need someone to license the goods, they need to contact material suppliers and contractors, they need designers, someone to manufacture the goods, someone to ship the goods, and of course people to handle the money at every step. Sure you can it the 3rd world way but then it's shit. Some small people can do things in small batch but that may require taking time off streaming for it. Then of course there is the sheer number of fans they have to give merch to. Small vtubers can make a few hundred merch items and be good, big indies have to make hundreds of thousands. And you have things like minimum orders that manufactures want. Example, they want 100k units bought but you only want 50k made.
>>113988708Gain contact is easy task but find someone trustworthy is very hard one and if you too greedy.... you are asking to be scammed.Cheap is not important Trust is everything Coco really teach us well....
>>113989069It is off. Vtubing is small and doesn't have institutional guardrails other industries have. It's more like a Wild West really, a wild frontier. We are going to see vtubers graduate not because of conduct but because of bankruptcy. Darwinism for small LLC's. Fans will get burned and sue, vtubers will get in too deep and go into debt because they over extended their dreams, the next generation will rise up from the ashes. The strongest will make from scene to mainstream... or it will all collapse and we will be asking "remember vtubing back in the 20's?"
>>113989164> basic of supply chain Anonchama... many things can be fixed by outsourcing logistic provider and that's also cheap but efficiently
>>113987876What's with the dokibird screenshots? What does that have to do with this?
>>113985987NTA but what about Grimmi makes you think she ISN'T missing 25%+ of her brain
>>113989338Vtubers must learn about " pre - stock" than " pre-order" from now on. And if these controversy out of control, these will make every fandom stop or buy lesser because of fear.Indie Vtuber will die
>>113989069>>113988718I'm surprised that no one is looking into the background of that company's owner, it's not the only one he owns.>>113988821They're not the ones making the deals anon.
>>113989406finding the proof of others involvement is the real question only three I remember where the loudest froggy, kabhaal and vchiban>less than forthcoming with her own audiencecoqui has a lot more secrets in her closet i know not to trust her
As a businessman, my instincts told me these incidents are not coincidence. Somethings very very wrong and smelly in here.If they really want to make figures, Taiwan is the best in cost efficient and JP is the best in quality and trustworthy.> got scammed to the point that can't deliver merch to fan was a great taboo for Vtuber in the past> Kson tried her best to fix situation and didn't tell Ksonfag until shit got fixed and become our joke.> by some reasons, they use this great taboo to farm a pity.....I smell something but not a good one.
>>113989638They should, /vt/ says it's a no-no to look up vtubers but never said anything about non-vtuber businessmen. Besides I found we can do this on another board where the rules simply do not apply.
>>113989783Where
>>113989841/b/ or /pol/. /b/ has streamer threads up and /pol/ has monthly threads on vtubers. /s/ if you got the good stuff.
I really suspicious about 1 thing... why they don't use trustworthy JP manufacturer like FuRyu which not create only figures but various vtuber merchandise is really beyond me.It just like they want logistic nightmre and want to be scammed
HYTE, a company that makes computer cases including many depicting anime and VTubers, is offering victims of Novel Horizons a chance to assess the damage of their broken merch promises and possibly find a way to get some things producedhttps://x.com/hytebrand/status/2085874702191562943
>>113989936Probably out of their reach? FuRyu might want a minimum order too?
>>113989936They're in on the scam and pocket money
>>113988250>>113989350Read the name Johnny :) you're fucked tick tock
>>113988771He's shilled for Cover too tho but yea he seems to mainly be a phasebrown
>>113989976>>113990015Why is Phase Connect able to make hundreds of different items each year and these huge indies can't make anything without it turning out to be some scam?
>>113980444It's more about the merch maker and less about if they are holo or excorpoMakeship has never let me down, a bit expensive, but that's what expect on merch.Meanwhile I bought something from lolja for a friend, never delivered, and had to basically bombard them with mails until I got a refund 3 months later. Teespring is also 50/50 with them, either you get the merch or you get a refund, at least they are quick about it.
>>113989995Idgi, I just want the QRD on the dokibird connection
>>113990053Phase can collectively bargain for it and raise money like any corpo, just smaller in size. They can batch stuff and can provide sponsorships. The indies are just a loose confederation who won't pull the trigger on a corporate charter and make their own company.
>>113980444>ex-corpo>LimeNice try, Doritonigger, but Limes never worked for anyone
>>113990122shitposter probably forgot to remove them from his collage
>>113989995I still don't get it, it looks like he just quote retweeted her
>>113980444>>113980510Is she lying?
>>113989976If they can produce old side characters then their number must be low.
>>113990584Highly possibly because third worlder like Indonesian received all of 2025 Hololive merchandises already. Only thing preventing Pippa from liar is " Trump tarriff excuse"
>>113979920I Thought Indie is the Future?
>>113990584No. What happened is she ordered from Geekjack, and the shipping option she picked ended up getting paused because of tariffs. She can either pay more for another shipping option, or just wait until things maybe change.
>>113985941>>113980552So I have a chance for sex with her?
>>113990886She shouldn't use Watame and involve Hololive in her mess because they don't at fault party in Pippa problem.....I really pray no JP Watamate know any of this, because this will be the beginning of bloodbath fan wars and we know how ruthless of Watamate.....
>>113990948Honestly it's more on the fault of Geekjack for being cheapskates and holding the package hostage until she pays more.
>>113990886> read her comment They blame Watame and Cover but not Trump tariff... Pippa really throw her shit to Hololive and Watame with her misinformation here for protect Phase reputation here.....Pippa can blame Trump tariff but choose to blame Hololive and Watame instead. It really fuck up if Hololive know any of this.This is something can enrage Japanese people to the end of time.Pippa if you read this, You fuck up now and pray no JP Watamate notice your post.
>>113990988People don't understand and blame Hololive and Watame.... look at comments section and quote section.It's really fuck up
>>113979920What's with all this seething about Phase?Worry about yourselves.
>>113989944>Never got my DA WOSE PC case and keycaps cause Hyte wanted to virtue signal about the fatlen shitI want Hyte to die as well.
>>113990948>>113991080holy ESL
>>113988021>myselfhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
OshiSpark will be next
>>113979920The problem is that the Vtuber industry merch partnership wise is generally partnering up with small operation kickstarter style esque start up companies with little to no business track records. This leading to shady handshake deals made at cons half of the time letting said scammers get away with thousands in merch orders taking advantage of streamers and fans. It's why i just donate money to my favorite vtuber rather than buy merch the only company i found even slightly reliable is GamerSupps and they aren't a small start up operation anymore.
>>113991728I guess neonshrine is good too i haven't really had issue with them but be wary unless it's stated to be in stock its almost always made to order just a FYI
>>113991080>>113991101Cover is partially at fault. Geekjack is their business partner, they really shouldn't be allowing Geekjack to keep people's packages hostage.
>>113991622unlikely, because they need the merch to be physically available at the venue for people to buy in order to recoup the costs for the concerts/venue
>>113991451Don't bother. This retard >>113991080 is clearly schizophrenic.
>>113989650The sad thing is, is the Coqui mistrust is aftermath from Seth and MSM. If you believe that shit you’re as stupid as the vtubers that thought NH was trustworthy.
>>113989406Comparing not revealing what job you have that doesnt cost people anything and swindling thousands of people out of great sums of money are not the same.
>>113991373Seethe more, Nijipig
>>113992103Wait is he right though? Is Pippa really trying to use 3rd party non-Holo delivered merch impacted by an unprecedented event (tariffs enacted between order and delivery) to justify first party Phase merch delayed for no reason whatsoever? That's kind of pathetic ngl
>>113979920https://x.com/zentreya/status/2085929327497969841
>>113992473tl;dr?
>>113989406Are you stupid? This is not an example of a scam and not even comparable.
>>113992384You think the nickname "Sakanas lapdog" is a joke?
>>113988352>They shipped figures successfully in the past.and? their figures were trash and often looked way worse than the renders they used. they were so low quality they'd famously melt in their warehouse but they'd send them out anyway. do you know what google is? i suggest looking things up before talking about it
>>113989406Yes, lying about what you do for a living is definitely just as bad as...stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from people. Retard. I bet you're some 2view seething sis
>>113980510Phase merch is slow from my experience and agreed about by many but bad quality is pure imagination and bullshit from you.
How the hell can all these people plead ignorance when they're always attending industry mixers? What do they talk about at those?
>>113985250>buys a house while breastfeeding her 20 siblings with her anorexic tits
>>113992473He's washing his hands like he did before; he's still associated with a bunch of shady people. All VTubers should blacklist him.>>113992927Still better than you jealous femanon.
>>113980552At this point is hard to tell if she's a victim or an accomplice
>>11399337030%victim 70%accomplice
>>113990948>>113991080It's over for phasers
why is it always the VShojo circle? why is it always Bao and Shondo?why is it always Grimmi?>>113991622not in the same way I don't think. I do think they are gonna go out of business because those concerts dont come close to making any money whatsoever and the quality is getting worse
>>113993584You know why. Say it.
>>113993584no doubt 3d concerts are the single biggest money sink i dont know how any of them outside of hololive make a dime + the novelty has worn off and interest in them is getting lower every month
How do you fuck up a business where the products are often paid for before they are manufactured?
Why don't they have contracts with milestones?
Life sure does suck when you watch Twitchtubers, huh?
>>113993617Do you have any credible evidence of what you say? I find your claims interesting.
>>113979920>Hololive does nothing >Wins
>>113980532This but Ironmouse
>>113993617You can start providing receipts whenever you want. Let's see how much you really know.
IT IS ALLMISTER SETHWEINSTEIN'SFAULT!AND ALL OFYOU KNOW IT!
>>113991991Are you idiots? Cover can't control Trump
>>113994606But Cover /can/ control Geekjack's handling of unshipped packages. "Ship those packages out now or we will no longer partner with you for future business".
>>113993617You’re coming across as extremely jealous.
>>113993617>she manufactured a narrative that Seth was leaking her personal info to get public sympathyHer personal info was leaked, multiple times in fact. Moreover what evidence do you have that she faked it? If Meat's info was leaked by Seth, and it definitely was by him since she said it was info only he knew from when he interviewed her for MSM, why wouldn't he do it for Coqui too when he also was privy to her details?
OK so *checks notes*Seth is an honest but financially unlucky businessman doing his best in a harsh industry where external factors are continually the principle factor in their failure. AndCoqui is a manipulative liar who behind the scenes is intensely disliked because word of her true nature being found out, and has been rightfully blacklisted by most vtuber circles.Sounds about right.
>>113995238>Seth is an honest but financially unlucky businessman doing his best in a harsh industry where external factors are continually the principle factor in their failure.Nobody but Grimmi will ever say anything like this.>Coqui is a manipulative liar.Yes. Seth can be a shitbag and Coqui can be a liar. Two awful things can be true simultaneously.
>>113993786Dude just didn't do the groundwork, chose shit suppliers and got fucked.
>>113981658I’ve never smelled something so mexican
>>113993694Companies just need to be realistic about scale for vtuber gigs. Hiring a venue or hall isn't THAT expensive usually (I've done it before (though they usually want a cut of ticket sales on top, and you have to pay for the bar employees)), and you basically have a bunch of equipment you can re-use for every event.
>>113993786By skimming money off the top and betting on more new orders to keep the grift going.
I’m gonna scam Henya. tell her that if she gives me her virginity I’ll get her ten virginities in like a couple months. Then leave her when the child is born.
>>113995400Anon....
>>113993617>>113995222I have never really watched Coqui and have no idea about her job before being a vtuber but this is all extremely interesting.I also don't know who Seth is but i'd like to hear more about all of this because I have nothing better to do
>>113995222>zero evidence beyond her wordA first hand account from someone who was directly involved isn't good enough but you can peddle your little theory with zero evidence to back it up? Complete nonsense. You've imagined a scenario and convinced yourself it's real
>>113995470I already specifically mentioned that I don't trust a word that comes out of her mouth. So no, her word isn't good enough in my eyes. You're convinced she's telling the truth simply because she said a thing happened. I'm convinced she's making shit up because she's been a serial liar since before she became a vtuber.
We know Seth is here trying to bury his involvement and throw other people under the bus, don't know why he's still so obsessed with Coqui tho.I've seen people speculating that maybe he's involved with Geega's new company but maybe he isn't. But being able to skim money off the top of sponsor sounds like the kind of scam he'd enjoy.
You'd think vtubers would stop taking handshake deals and agreeing to do merch collabs with people who have never delivered a product before. But most of them are women who are incapable of doing their due diligence when it comes to business deals and just go off vibes.>t. still waiting a year for my Mint fumo
>>113993617Obviously Seth could smell a liar and a manipulator and didn't want someone like that involved with his company.Then she had the audacity to start her own company and try to poach his talents. His hatred of her is pretty justified IMO.
>>113995619Why do all that work if you can just say 'I didn't know' when things go bad and people will forgive you
>>113995238Ok. How do you whitewash MSM or selling Grimmi a worthless hot sauce company and running off with the cash?
every time weinstein gets caught he runs to the board and does damage control, usually bringing up coqui's name for no reason and trying to smear her because she's the one that's been actively hounding him about his activities
>>113995607I imagine because she was the first one to fight back and start asking questions. Remember that she tried to DM various people in MSM early on when she heard rumours about 'someone' badmouthing 3am at con events
So is anything actually going to happen this time? Millions of dollars of unfulfilled orders just poofed and all involved parties get away with it by saying "we're deeply concerned and exploring all available options"?
>>113990988>>113991991>>113994738Why would Geekjack bear the brunt of express shipping and tariffs for customers? All they're asking for is customers that selected the cheaper Airmail/EMS(Japan Post paused these) shipping can wait or upgrade to DHL/ECMS. You pay the difference for shipping with DHL/ECMS, in the meantime they'll store packages for free. If you don't know, most proxy/forwarding companies will charge for storage so this is already very generous.
>>113995976With the sheer amount of people fucked over surely at least a couple will sue, this is far far bigger than last time
>>113990988What? No it's her fault, she's a millionaire and chose to wait instead of dropping a few bucks on upgraded shipping. Then tries to act like holo merch delay from one very specific timeframe, which is a direct result of her individual choices is same as every single piece of phase merch taking 2x as long as it should to ship.
>>113996075lmao, must be true. Everybody swallowed vsj money scheme and there’s zero action. Why anyone would care about this?
>>113996138because in that case it was isolated to mostly just the talents. in this case it's includes potentially thousands of people out 200-300 dollars
>>113995976Just gaslight everyone into thinking it's tariffs that caused NH to collapse and then vtubers will be making veiled politically remarks about the state of government
>>113996168> isolated to mostly just the talents- 500k of donations gone- preordered merch goneAre you sure it was just the talents?
>>113996168Shondo's figure alone apparently had a thousand preorders, this is a LOT of people including rare metal autists who bought the coins as an investment
>>113996210hence why i said "mostly" in that sentence. as for the 500k that was on ironmouse and the charity to pursue, this is more individuals that have legal options overall.
>>113996075Sue who? The bankrupted company?
>>113996210Don't worry all the vshitshow talents have their "teams" and "lawyers" working on "something"!!
>>113996239how about the man who owns the company and whose name is plastered all over the legal documentation, Johnathan Solis
>>113995976Anon forensic audits are very rare for small businesses that are facilitating sales for pre-orders. The scam basically works because this type of thing is not usually pursued by the FTC and bankruptcy lets them walk away without proof of intentional financial crimes or a whistleblower. If everyone is complicit and quiet robbery is basically free.
>>113996238Frankly, Ironmouse could be held criminally liable as she was the donation solicitor. It would be on her to prove she was unaware that the 3rd party(vshojo) was actually pocketing the donations because on face value she was telling viewers its "her charity" and the money is going to such-and-such cause. In this regard I would not see her chasing any legal case with vshojo regarding the charity money as it would be opening her up to a criminal investigation. One that probably hasn't happened because this was just viewed as internet drama.
Where's Seth?
>>113984148>projectsoutsourcing your merch isn't really what i would call a project.especially considering that all of them were so disconnected from the process that they somehow had no idea nothing was being done and all the money that their fans poured in went straight into a hole.blindly supporting someone like that just because they attach their name to it just makes you a dumbass.
>>113981658Nice shrine, king.
>>113987055It literally didn't some fans were waiting for over a year for their merch to be shipped it's the usual chuubas don't want to admit they worked with scammers so they pretend nothing happened until they announced bankruptcy
>>113996724They should learn from Kson
>>113980552>Grimmi seemed to actually be mad after realizing how fucked NH has been for a few yearsLMAOOOOO she was still defending seth today in her doomer stream
>>113995567are you extrafuzzy or one of grimmi's simp mods?
>>113996910She's already lost most of her vtuber friends running defense for him, it's crazy to me she hasn't lost her audience yet
Even if these women knew what was happening behind the scenes it's actually in their benefit to ring the warning bells and inform their fans. If the company is still running and they start trying to rally fans to charge money back then there's room for fans to demand the vtubers do something, take legal action, or attempt to find another remedy while the company still exists. However, by waiting until the company closes down they can call it a wash with a "well they don't exist anymore so this so sad guise! try a charge back 2 years after paying!" and walk away. It's just better to let it implode so they can make their sad tweet and let things blow over. Sympathy heals all fans' wallets. Look at the comments and see these sheep who were swindled out of hundreds of dollars and all they can think about "I'm so sorry this company took advantage of you X!"
>>113996248true but watching the amount of shondophernics and grimmi fans are filing this as fraud with their banks might make this a bigger issue
>>113998029To be honest, this isn't new. It happened a lot in the Japanese indie VTuber scene back in the day. Usually, they'll try to solve problems themselves first, and only after they've resolved them will they tell their fans.In cases where the problem is unsolvable, they would inform you as soon as possible, not take several years like this. Let me tell you, the smell in this incident is terrible.
>>113998029>Even if these women knew what was happening behind the scenes it's actually not* in their benefit to ring the warning bells and inform their fans.typo
>>113998136This is something that has never happened on the Japanese side. This is very strange.
>>113998136Anyone who fits this description should be considered a suspect or an accomplice, because the real losers are the fans who paid for the merchandise not the VTuber themselves.
this baffles me how this did not set any alarms
>>113998245That's easy, isn't it? They receive the money, say they're bankrupt and the money all disappears. Fan have no choice but to believe what Vtuber say and can't do anything about it.except endure, tolerance and pay again...
>>113998245I'm sure it did, they just don't really care. Novel's issues have been known for years, anyone who seems surprised by all this is completely full of shit
>>113998306Because the ones who suffer the most in this situation are the ones paying the money not those women. This is really terrible.
>>113998245The deals usually involve the vtuber not getting a payout until fulfilment is complete as the profit margin might change if things happen causing production or logistics to cost more/less. Not defending them, just something to consider.
>>113998336That's the system of big-name Vtubers or corpo Vtuber and not indie Vtubers. In the past, they used a pre-stock system.
Traditionally, JP indy Vtubers in the past used a system of paying manufacturing company with their own money after they got merchs.After that, They stocked in their place or outsourcing wharehousing and merch distribution form JP logistic provider.If the manufacturer is scamming, they'll get targeted by Vtuber first so her fan won't get scammed out of their money and not receive the product.This calls " Pre-stock" system, it's still in use today and there are no problems at least not among indy Japanese Vtubers.There's definitely something strange hidden in this incident
Another strange thing is that normally money for merchandise is transferred directly from fan to indy vtuber or their vtuber company. It's never possible to transfer money to the product manufacturer "first" like that.Don't you think it's strange that the design prioritizes the financial flow to the manufacturing company first and leaving Vtuber, who should be responsible for ensuring the products reach the fans with no bargaining power at all? She doesn't even have the money she receives from fans in her own hands.
>indy vtuber
To make it easier to understand.Let's say we want to buy Hololive products manufactured by Furyu. Our money will go to Hololive and they will then deal with Furyu. The products will be delivered to us later.But if I understand correctly, in this case...How does the money from fans flow into this Novel Horizons company "first" to the point that vtubers don't hold any of the money and no bargaining power to Novel Horizons at all?> How?
i think everyone knows this stinks to high heaven at this point, there's just not going to be an effort to investigate them for some reason.you'd have to tip off one of those investigative journalist youtubers or something to try and get the scoop and they probably won't care.
>>113998716They don't care
>seth this coqui that geega this shondo that vshoujo this whoreclan that>mfwI try to give some leniency to grimmi because I do genuinely believe she's brain damaged enough (both metaphorically and literally) to simply be a terrible judge of character, but even then I think anybody buying her merch is a fool because they should know better than to trust whoever she trusts.
>>113982002link to said mommy voice? for research purposes
>>113992500he joined with the company early on and ignored all the idiotic decisions and shady behavior until it was convenient to post about it and mostly absolve himself
>>113996966No. Unaffiliated third-party.
>>113982562>They got their money and it was only the fans who got nothingalmost all of the people whose figures werent delivered got nothung, artists who worked on the figures werent paid and also even chuubas like henya, whose figure was delivered (but only to american customers and noone else) got nothing
>>113983833>Just out if curiosity, why didn't the lig scammers use the established companies that always deliver?Like who? What company is making 1/7th scale figures for vtubers that will work with independent talents for a run of figures that might in the absolute best base sell just over a thousand units?
>>114000118> thousand 1/7th scale figuresMany figures manufacturer definitely accept and like this anonchama
>>114000157Name 3 that work with western vtubers and have a track record.
i dont even know the sound of grimmi's voice all i know about her is she habitually gets her fanbase scammed and she is always in drama
>>114000197that is the funny thing. retarded 2view vtubers have tried to insert themselves in this situation saying>just use kawa for vtuber merch they deliver usually!bitch we are not talking about your little wannabe merch like acrylic keychains/stands or stickers. this is big boy merch for big vtubers, not small potatoes kawa merch
>>1140001971. Taito
>>114000267Ironically Novel had a regular merch branch also and they were relatively punctual and successful so that helped to launder their reputation.
>>1140001972. Kakifuji ( not JP but Taiwan) ( shipping late but responsibility)
>>114000234>habitually gets her fanbase scammed and she is always in dramaand it always involves seth
>>1140001973. Youtoz ( never buy thou)
>>113997967Acting kind and nice can get you a long way, even if you're a massive asshole/idiot/narc.After MSM and VShojo went under and all the scummy things came out about them, chuubas should have dropped NH and ran like it was a live grenade. NH was way too tied into those two previous agencies and had a worryingly large overlap of people involved with them.Alas, people are stupid though.
>>114000503Also Goodsmile
>>1140001974. FuRyu : no record about western Vtuber but they accept even small Vtuber
Never trust a figure that isn't sold on multiple stores
>>1140001975. Raise Dream : no record with western Vtuber but they accept small quantity order
>>113998245Wait so the "deal" is that NH pays for the design and production of the figure, the VTuber advertises it to their fanbase, and they only get a cut after the end of the production run? Why are the VTubers pretending as if they're the ones that got scammed? They only lost a potential payout, not actual money they put into it themselves.
I really think FuRyu is the best choice for indy western vtuber, they accept smaller quantity compared to Goodsmile, very high quality , expensive but worth it and trustworthy enough.
>>114000645Yes and this never happen in Japanese side, if any Vtuber does like this burns so many bridges in Vtuber community.T. Random giraffe passing by
>>114000546> 4. FuRyu : no record about western Vtuber but they accept even small VtuberFuRyu doesn’t even make crane machine slop for HololiveEN. What kind of crack are you smoking that they’ll make prize figures for Twitch indies?
>>113980552She's scammed her fans how many times now? Does she not love and respect them?
>>114000723They have records about product small indies vtuber but in JP side with Fe:NEX
>>114000806>product small indies vtuber figures but in JP side with F:NEX
>>114000806> They have records about product small indies vtuber but in JP side with Fe:NEXYour list is just whoever made figures of JP indies without any context isn’t it?
>>1140001975. Kotobukiya : my beloved... but.. I think they don't have any record about Vtuber figure and maybe thousands too little. Only Tomari Mari can pull this miracle
>>114000861The point is these companies are Japanese and trustworthy ( no scamming shit). I really thing indies vtuber should try to contact them.
>>114000645Thinking about it, this was really well executed. As >>114000098 says, all the people with actual followings, artists and chuubas, didn't lose any money - only a promise of money in the future. I guarantee if the contract said the design costs were split they would be making a much bigger stink about this than just tweeting>plz contact ur bank :'(But then again they probably wouldn't have agreed to it in the first place if they had to pay out of pocket for the design phase KEK
>>114000903You didn’t even properly answer the original anon’s argument, YouTooz doesn’t make 1/7 scales and all but 1 have 0 track record of working with western vtubers. Your delusional cope isn’t going to convince anyone to make a ligger figure over Tokisaki Kurumi scale figure #6,752.
>>113996041Because if the customer already paid for shipping, it's your duty as a business to ensure the package actually gets shipped. It's not the customer's fault that YOUR fulfillment options changed. It's not the customer's fault that something YOU use to offer is no longer available. The customer should not have to bear the cost of changes to YOUR operations.
>>114000861To the point1. Goodsmile : too big2. Kotobukiya : too Japanese, focus mainly in game and anime figure, may too big, not western friendly. 3. FuRyu : new compares to above, adaptive and accepting small quantities, their work actually good compares to prize. The best choice for western indie vtuber.4. Taito : their work aren't the best but at least they worked with Ironmouse in the past so.... I think they defenitely accept western indie figures order I think FuRyu and Taito are the best and possible choice.
>>114001000I think FuRyu and Taito are the best possible choice for western indies vtuber here. Even Ironmouse knows Taito.
>Ironmouse and Kson use JP manufacturer. > no problem > Ex Vshojo use HNL > got scammed for yearsI think they should consult with Kson and Ironmouse more than this.
>>113998245Vtubers are either unironically retarded or malicious
>>114001108>1. Goodsmile : too bigThey released nendos and plushies for several EN indie, and a Pop Up Parade of Ironmouse
grimmi didn't know guys she had no way to know this would happen
>>114000645>only get a cut after the end of the production runwere most of these retards don't seem to understand in their contract if they even bothered to read it must have said that NH would have kept some of the money to burden the cost and production and whatever % the vtubers made a deal. i do not understand why they are throwing a fit if they did not read it the flags were there and everyone ignored it. the ones who suffered where the naive fans whose trust they abused
>>114002575It's pretty much the standard model for western vtuber merch, so I guess nobody batted an eye. Even bigger names like Makeship operate under a similar model.
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>>114003237lol
>>114003237>Now back to horror games and chillingIf only that was true
>>114001098Absolutely ridiculous. The customer doesn't have to bear the cost of anything. The customer paid to ship through Airmail/EMS and can simply wait for when Japan Post resumes Airmail/EMS service. The customer always had the initial option to purchase Express shipping and even now they still have the option to upgrade their shipping to Express. Geekjack is just the middle man here, there's no reason they should be responsible providing free upgrades for Americans, and specifically Americans because this doesn't affect other nations serviced by Japan Post. Japan Post deciding it needs to temporarily suspend service to USA pending infrastructure upgrades to satisfy Donald Trump's tariff regulations isn't something for Geekjack to jump in try to fix for Americans.
>>114003204>similar model.you are right but it is when they reach a number and the vtuber puts down a small deposit
>>114003237she is so retarded
>>113979920Seth runs away with Grimmi fans money again lmao
>>114004058Imagine if it happens a third time kek
>>114003861>The customer doesn't have to bear the cost of anything.Geekjack is literally forcing the customer to pay more money to get their package shipped, or they'll hold it hostage until some indeterminate point in the future. (already been over a year)Yes, Geekjack (and by extension Cover) should be biting the bullet and shipping the packages out with the next available shipping method. The customer has already paid for their order, now it's on you to get it delivered in the customer's expected timeframe. It should not fall on the customer to pay extra for changes/issues encountered by your shipping partners.
>>114004058she is stupid enough to make sure he does but not posting the tweet but she is already trying to pay people back
