Is she right /vt/?
>>114433991Yes and no. Yes speaking indonesian is a debuff, but no it has nothing to do with racism. Indonesia is a dead market and people don't want to listen to languages they don't speak. Michi dropped it entirely and suddenly skyrocketed in popularity. If all the Indonesian girls stopped speaking Indonesian forever and entered the english market proper, they'd actually grow.
>>114434144I feel that it's crazy you left out the fact Michi leeched off luxiem and even pretended to be Mysta's girlfriend.I think that's more likely to be the reason of her incline than simply dropping indog as a language.
the only entertaining one is kaela
>>114434144Cover should just fold ID to EN branch to make things simpler. Half of EN speaks in JP more than ID talks indo anyways
>>114434337well she's in the circle of leech with irongrift and others.
i don't watch them because they're indonesian
>>114433991Didn't she have some moment where she yelled at someone in chat telling her to speak more Indo by saying the Indo speakers donate less than the English speakers?
>>114434405she’s pretty boring
>>114434674get some help
>>114433991Yes, I discriminate them because of their horrible language.
>>114434711what’s so entertaining about her
>>114434748she says that
>>114433991Yes because Japanese talentsAnyone defending is retarded or just doing it for the love of the hategame against ID
>>114434405*Kobo
>>114433991There are some who just don't like thick accent. I for one wanted someone with a british accent (be careful what you hope for) but others detest it. Then there is the the part of the vocabular and how readily they can they can use it. Then there is timezone and internet speed.Lets not forget the male collabs.
>>114433991Then there's no reason for ID to exist as a separate branch>If the ID market is worth it, the girls should stream more in Indonesian>If the ID market isn't worth it, just fold them into EN and have them occasionally speak Indonesian, just like flips and spics across the EN branches of many corpos speak Tagalog and Spanish occasionally
>>114433991I don't watch because they're homocollabers, simple as. Tell this to Ollie.
>>114435642/thread
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>>114434611Indonesian money is basically worthless anyways, the few people with money, a computer, and time to spend on chuubas are donating equivalent to pennies in chinese yuan.
>>114433991I watch ID. Certain ones.
>>114433991I watch HoloID and my oshi is from HoloID, but it is false to say 90% of their content is in English since all ID collabs are in mostly in Indonesian and their twitter interactions with other ID members are in Indonesian.I now know basic Indonesian, but before that it was hard to enjoy collabs between ID members since I couldn't understand them. There isn't much reason to pick HoloID over HoloEN unless you're Indonesian or really like some HoloID girl.
>>114433991About some things, yes.
>>114435894This. Anya and Reine are the only ones I pay attention to.
>>114436508I wonder if Ollie is aware of how obnoxious her personality is.
Ollie is unironically hot when she's mad
I don't watch ID because I am in EN timezones and they don't stream at friendly EN times. I will watch some ID if they are playing something I am interested in. She is right that they do speak english in solo streams most of the time. But I also wouldn't ever watch ollie because she male collabs way to much and would call me the bad guy for not liking it, so I just won't watch her. Not even a unicorn by the way, I watch other talents that have done sporadic collabs before. But with someone like ollie its clearly more than that, which is why even if I wanted to watch her, I would never member her or spend money in any way
>>114434144Doesn't Kobo speak almost entirely ID in her streams? How does that factor into her being the most popular member?
Does anyone know how popular hololive china was before it was canned?
>>114437021It wasn't terribly huge IIRC. It was bumped up thanks to HoloEN's debut, but then came the crazy antis harassing Coco and I think some HoloCN talents either encouraged their behavior or that company they worked with on Bilibili went full retard.
>>114433991The IDs should serve the local market and try to expand there instead of cannibalizing the ENs
too many of them are crazy lewd and horny all the time
>>114436665>t. seething 2view twitch roastie
>>114437573Anya and Kaela are the most puritanical, by contrast.
>>114437573So no negatives ?
>>114435642When did you give up on ever having sex or even kissing a girl? Or are you a closet faggot?
>>114437573Which is why you only watch Anya (my wife) and Kaela.
>>114433991Not really I don't watch ID because most of them stream at like 4am for me. I actually like Reine, Kaela, Anya, Zeta's content a fair amount but not enough for that, and VOD watching just always feels bad.
Pbrlpbrlpbrlpbrlpbrlpbrlpbrlpbrlpbrl kinda wears on me, and not in the wearing a mouth on my cock way
>>114433991No, she's abrasive and boring. I watch Risu and Kaela even when they're speaking Bahasa. Roll your Rs at me Risu.
>>114433991I don't watch HoloID because they're all whores. Except Kaela who is an honorary EN.
>>114438683Because women are just that bad anon and the chuubas are the best example, just get an ai chatbot and you're good
>>114434337Yes, an english branch. Thanks for reinforcing my point. >>114436872Kobo's a weird outlier. My guess is all of the extra stuff she does with indo celebs but admittedly I don't know much. It's more that it's far easier to grow in the EN space than Indo, which feel like it has a pretty low cap.
>>114436872>How does that factor into her being the most popular member?Singing buff
>>114433991dunno, I never avoided them and never saw people saying that, though I don't doubt they exist, and I don't think it's discrimination, it's just that logically people make the assumption that they will mostly speak indonesian and are simply not interested in watching someone they don't think they will understand
>>114433991She's wrong for most of it. I don't watch HoloID (read: Ollie) because I don't want to imagine Indonesians sucking my dick. I want to imagine white girls sucking my dick. Or Japanese girls. Or white anime girls. Or brown anime girls played by non-black IRL girls. Or dolled up plastic Korean girls. I like those phenotypes better.Indonesia has girls from different shades of skin but what I imagine when I hear Indonesian is a brown-skinned maid with a not-so-pretty face because that's what we Malaysians get from Indonesia. They are not sending us their best, and probably for the better 'cos there'd be a lot more rape cases if they did.Indonesians hate us for supposedly stealing their culture. Apparently Bahasa Malaysia sounds funny to them while to me Indonesian language sounds crude and rough. Indonesians I met online in video games can be annoying and antagonistic, though this was years ago and there were nice ones. Ollie is loud, unfunny, sexpesty and prone to get ragebaited. There's also a rrat that she tried to push homocollabs on HoloEN members. I don't like Holostars and their mixed-collab pushers.And lastly, HoloID is not pushed enough. Their earnings are so minuscule (due to their weaker currency) compared to EN and JP and they in turn got fewer opportunities. I did some asspull number-crunching on currencies some time ago and came up with the conclusion that the average Malaysian is two times wealthier than the average Indonesian, the average Japanese is two times wealthier than the average Malaysian, and the average American is (supposed to be) two times wealthier than the average Japanese. This leaves the average Indonesian four times poorer than the average Japanese, and COVER calculates its earnings in yen. Moona herself admitted that a middle class Indonesian would be considered poor if they go to Japan. Hololive Malaysia would be similarly cooked if it existed.Hope this helps, Ollie. Also, no Nendoroid for you, Iofi.
>>114442962>...when I hear Indonesian is a brown-skinned maid with a not-so-pretty face because that's what we Malaysians get from Indonesia. They are not sending us their best, and probably for the better 'cos there'd be a lot more rape cases if they did.I did not know anything about Malesia, but this accidental quote here explains things pretty well.
>>114443172No, we generally don't rape people. I'm just saying pretty maids might lead to rape, which I assume is the same everywhere. Not a Malaysian thing. I should've said affairs as well.
>piss everyone off>they rightfully leave forever>not happy with just that, they're obnoxious enough to cast a shadow on the rest of the girls from their own branch by association>that's raycismThere are no second chances in a industry where there are plenty of alternatives. Personally I find Indonesian people in JP streams and get a laugh at how they'd rather learn a new languages over watching these girls.
>>114434337NTA, but didn't that already happen back when she was still in Niji? Her number was nothing remarkable back thenI think it was a combination of her switching to English audience and moving over to Twitch (as YT shadow filters a lot of SEAfags due to their usages of phone + adblockers)
>>114444041>Her number was nothing remarkable back thenunremarkable by EN standards but she quickly became the highest CCV member of NijiID
>>114433991If the IDs want to attract more English speaking viewers, they should stream more during NA friendly timeslots. Picrel shows the time blocks they streamed in between 8/17 and 8/28, with the NA golden hours highlighted in red. Those hours are noticeably sparse and the NA viewers can't be expected to wake up early or stay up late to watch their streams
>>114438683Tits or GTFO
>>114433991They always speak their fucking star wars languagewhy the fuck would I watch if they dont speak any human language bro
>>114443335Not the same pretty much anywhere, but you assuming it must be is hilarious & says a lot about Malaysia.>>114433991Anyway, speaking a language I don’t understand for a fifth of the stream is enough to make me not watch as it turns out. Include someone who doesn’t speak Indo in the collab as a marker that there will be only English and I’ll consider it.
>>114445972>Not the same pretty much anywhere, but you assuming it must be is hilarious & says a lot about Malaysia.Because all of Malaysia is clearly one person. Dumbass.
Does cute Indo really like exist? Except for Kaela they just seems annoying
>>114433991I don't watch because she's more obnoxiously horny than GiGi and someone said she's fat and that makes it more gross.
>>114433991HoloID is just HoloEN-lite. Prove me wrong.
It's not about language, it's timeslots. Bae woke her ass up in the morning to grind the old 8PM EST Gura timeslot for a year and gained those views. You want Americans or Europeans watching, stream at a time they can watch you. Fuck's sake, that's how Kaela got attention too.
>>114433991Nah its just that her voice gets annoying compared to the other IDs.>t. I watch Kobo and Risu
>>114433991ID is great. If you want to know why they're less popular, you need look no further than time zones. I watch a few English speaking SEA vtubers with the same issue. I love them, but I'm not quitting my job to watch when it's convenient for them to stream. So I get to see maybe one stream a week when our free time lines up.
>>114448453starting stream at 2 am must have been rough for Gura
>>114442962>we MalaysiansYou probably look like Ian Miles Cheong. Take whatever you can get, bro.
>>114436872it's honestly insane how people still can't understand simple thing:loli and kusogaki buff, it always work
>>114440664>>114449053I love Risu's voice so much. She should marry me so I could listen to it every day
These turbo lesbians are gross ie; gigi and ollie
>>114433991Girl will do anything but admit the obvious. She's spent so much time doing homocollabs that she's practically purged every potential paypig from her audience which is especially stupid in a business where a chuuba's entire value is selling the fantasy of being their internet girlfriend. I'm genuinely in the minority who thinks her voice is cute but her collab choices are so dogshit that they've single-handedly made her unwatchable to me.
>>114433991>we can’t do shit and we are poor. Fucking racis whypepo>now excuse me, I will throw my trash outside the window, because I have no sense of responsibility for community and I will bribe tax officer so that I get away with working with no formal employment to avoid taxes and health insurance, because I can’t plan shit for my futurewhy brown people are like this?
erb is such a whore
>>114457516Wrong thread?
>>114458702yeah but still
>>114457516Jailbird...
>>114433991>Is she right /vt/?She's right in the sense that "ID" label is a debuff that keeps potential viewers away from watching them It's not discrimination tho, HoloJP speaks JP, HoloEN speaks EN, so logically you'd think HoloID speaks ID but that's not actually true most of them speak english for the majority of their streams
>>114459059>HoloEN speaks ENbau bau...
>>114459299FuwaMoco might as well transfer to HoloJP to justify their investment in the JP fanbase
>>114433991I don't watch ollie because she's the worst hire.
>>114437657nta, but she's annoying as fuck. there is a reason she just gets the sideshow treatment.
>>114459299>bau bau...Fuwamoco speak an overwhelming amount of englishPeople who don't watch them hyperbolically meme about them like they were Melcoco or someshit, but outside of reading and responding to the occasional JP comment in chat, or speaking a statement to their audience and translating what they said in Japanese, the only words coming out of their mouths are entirely english
>>114459545Literally their last four actual non-event streams have been JP. And they canceled their one EN stream in that time due to """""""""""""tech issues"""""""""" that were magically fixed for the JP stream that same day.
>>114459682>anon is a huge fucking retardsugoi
>>114449466>it always workcope, slapping pedobait on a chuba doesn't automatically equal success
>>114433991Sure, but as soon as I hear those 20% the illusion is broken, it's like hearing a cute girl talking and then she breaks out into mean sounding chinese and laughing loudly like an ugly pig and such, leaving me confused, it's a big gap that lacks any moe
>>114459682>Literally their last four actual non-event streams have been JP>English collab>English collab>English karaoke>English collab???
>>114433991of course, of all ollie's hate threads none have been "too much indo"
>>114433991it's because you're all male collabing trashy whores
Messages like >>114438683 are demonstrations on how 4chans fell.Now it's filled with feminists, homosexuals, democrats, negroes, vegans, jews, and women.Just like western vtubing.
>>114433991Yeah it's not that they spam male collabs, think loud = funny, or their fanbase are third worlders obnoxious and disrespectful enough to spam a wall of SKIP AD messages when they have merch.It's that everyone is racist and would rather watch the other branches that don't do that.
>>114433991Maybe If she didn’t have a face reveal showing her ugly brown face? Nobody has ever even said that everyone knows they speak English.
>>114433991yes
>>114433991I refuse to watch browns. Already can’t avoid them in real life, so why would I ruin my entertainment?
>>114433991A dedicated fan would delight in any language that his oshi speaks, but most of the 'fans' have no interest in a foreign culture and language, in this case indonesian. I myself am not interested in it. If it's all in english anyway, the ID label makes no sense in my opinion. That said, it's a japanese company and japanese culture. When idiots complain about their 'oshi' speaking japanese, it's different. They cant say 'idc about the jp side', it just does not apply.
>>114473173Simp lol
>>114437530>The ENs should serve the local market and try to expand there instead of cannibalizing the JPsLolAt this point, it's not as many or as bad as it is for ID doing EN, but it's growing little by little.
I hate Ollie so much
It's just a matter of timezones. Everyone knows they all speak English they're just hard to watch. I enjoy Zeta vods sometimes because she is very cute, though.
>>114454037True, the worst debuff of ID is that they all homocollab and they are heavily against GFE with their "halu GSH" bs.>But KaelaKaela was still an edge case of GFE even if she denies it, her only mistake was homo collabing.
>>114433991Given that every time i tune into a Risu stream she is speaking Indonesian and i need to go out of my way to find the english ones, no shes wrong.
