Does anyone else feel that within the EN sphere, Phase talents are much more entertaining than Cover talents? As someone who has been around since Kizuna AI, hololive EN has been pretty weak lately. Maybe because the talents are so busy with other projects and responsibilities at Cover that in comparison, Phase talents have more time to be creative or just be themselves. When I think about the streamers that I've been putting on recently, it's weighed pretty heavily in favor of Phase. Just to satisfy whoever's curious, here are the talents that have been keeping my attention recentlyCover:Gigi MurinKouseki Bijou (loosely)Phase:marimari_enKaneko LumiAmanogawa ShiinaKomachi PankoNityaClio (only at night for sleep)Runie Ruse (recent addition, I really like her RP streams. Lumi is really good with this too. Lumi's stream acting as a mob boss goon was hilarious and I really enjoyed Runie's valley girl and posh woman streams)
>>114471681I only watch indies
>>114471752If it's indies, I like Essie a lot
>>114471681>Trying to pit Holo against PhaseSo are you a Nijisister or an indiefag?
>>114471832Even odds OP doesn't watch vtubers at all
>>114471832>>114471875It's my genuine thoughts and feelings, though you could say that I'm only a casual viewer. The only membership I ever bought was for an indie Japanese and the only merch I have is hololive stuff
>>114471752Based trans-ally
>>114471681I agree. Holo JP is still top tier but I can't really get into their EN side anymore. Phase unironically has better EN streams. Especially Nitty, Jelly, Shiina, Willy and Sinon - even Lia. Runie is great too but i'm usually busy doing other stuff when she streams. Same with a bunch of their other talents. Their JPs put a lot of effort into their streams but it's just a shame that the JP side doesn't get many eyes on them.
>>114471681HoloEN is better by far quality wise On the JP side PhaseJP is just trash so the comparison is non existent
>>114473523What makes Holo EN streams better other than numbers?
>>114473556Their talents are all way more polished, every single one of them. Phase are amateurs and extremely boring by comparison. The hamster girls can't even zatsu properly without mumbling.
>>114473581I mean Nitty alone mogs most holo EN talents in terms of charisma and 'polish'. Also their latest gen is full of top tier talent. Eimi is a hamster - you can't blame her for being retarded. Runie, Lia, Lumi, and Marimari are all also top tier to name a few
>>114473581The OP knows it too. They all do. That's why they always compare their midlings to hololive instead of nijis or vshojo when they were still around or any other groups actually on their own level and with similar content. Hololive IS the gold standard.
>>114471681Phase will never get a big sponsor like McDonald's or the Los Angeles Dodgers that pays a million dollars. Therefore, the Phase girls have to stream more consistently or they don't eat.I read about the Hololive EN streamers not streaming for weeks. In Phase, sure, some girls take breaks, but there are many others who keep streaming that there's constant overlap in primetime hours.
>>114474062To be fair, holo talents get a massive buff just from being in hololive. Hololive being well established before their EN side was even created. Numbers don't mean too much in terms of raw entertainment value - more of an indicator of exposure and familiarity. Of course there has to be a level of entertainment to keep those numbers but it's only one part of it. And with numbers comes bigger sponsorship opportunities and I don't think that is what OP was talking about.
>>114471681Phase is indie-tier
>>114471681Oh re-reading my post, I also want to shoutout Shiina's Chobits stream. That was PEAM
>>114474328I think that's why I like them so much. There's a certain charm to Phase and indie streams that you don't get from hololive streams. It almost feels like the talents are too stifled in what they're allowed to do on stream
I watch more Phase than HoloEN simply because more people in Phase stream at EU friendly hours.
>>114474062To be fair - if you put any Phase member, or almost any other vtuber in Hololive, their numbers would increase by magnitudes - even if their streams were exactly the same
>>114471681>Does anyone else feel that within the EN sphere, Phase talents are much more entertaining than Cover talents?No.
>>114474393Because they're not under a lot of scrutiny. The second Sakana wants to expand beyond being low-mid tier they will have to start playing ball or bigger sponsors will refuse to do work with them. Being irrelevant nobodies works to be more 'free' but it stops being useful when the company you work for wants to pull in bigger wads of cash.
>>114471832Phasefags are known for shilling and have been trying to say phase is better than holo for years
>>114471681I wish more people were fine with crossovers between the two. I had the idea of a Devil Went Down to Georgia crossover art with Uruka as the Devil and Immergreen as Johnny (since they both play strings), but everyone autism’d about it
>>114471681I will never support phase because they brought in politics and dramatubers. Also they are shills for AI and the CCP.I have to recognize that phase girls play much cooler games than Holos.
>>114471752Fpbp
I haven't watched a Holo EN stream in years. It's legitimately boring. I think there's a hard limit to the number of chatters before you might as well be watching a VOD. No interaction and a sterilized tone and image to keep shareholders happy. Phase has the possibility for very unexpected things to happen every time. In Holo everything is consistently lukewarm. I'll watch clips of "unhinged" moments from Holo streams and it's just some dull "another talent was in chat while the streamer said something about her."
>>114473276But enough about Trans Connect
Phase embracing the worst parts of their fanbase has put a cap on their potential much lower than it would have been.
>>114477624>/pol/connect>transconnectdecide already you bunch of faggots
>>114473734mari would be a top tier if she wasn't as much of a lazy cunt, the quality of her streams went downhill since she joined phase because she only plays boring dailies and yapps, even with pressuring her more this month that didn't change that much, they should force her into more collabs outside of her close circle of friends she only stays back and just plays friendslop without adding anything like she did in the past with her filian collabs
>>114478082There's no picking there as it's usually one and the same. Virtually no difference between the groups.
HoloEN is only good for their 3D content (concerts and variety). Their regular streams are sterilized and censored because their audience, shareholders and company would have a fit if anything "untoward" ever happened. Their retarded Japanese perms autism prevents them from playing whatever game they want. They also have a million responsibilities outside of streaming so the chances of a stream going longer than 3 hours are like 10%. God forbid I want to put on a 6 hour stream while I do other shit. After a while you're gonna want more out of their content.
>>114471681Didn't your whole village just get wiped out by a typhoon?
>>114471681You said it fellow phase phaggot
>>114478633Bro what lmao
>>114474393This is the reason phase, and indies, never appealed to me.I don't want >le ebin BASED and REDPILLED pickme 4chennelel vtuber!!!1one that vomits forth anything that comes to their womanbrain because I've lived on this shithole for the better part of the past 20 years. I want something nice, polished and mostly clean and already curated. I'm too old to shitpan for gold. I already have to do that in this place, but that's just habit. For everything else, I have this cesspit of a site to entertain me as I while away my remaining time. Give me holo or I just go back to shitposting on 10 boards at once when I'm not doing actually important shit.
>>114480563Disney adult ahh faggot
>>114471681Same, after Gura and Chloe (my EN/JP oshis) went indie I started to check out more indies/small corpos to see what was out there. Turns out there's a lot out there including Phase, and eventually I just found myself watching more Phase/indies than Holo EN over the last year and a half year. Today's Holo EN is just boring, everyone is just going through the motions and the very little amount of branch wide events they do aren't that good. The only entertaining EN member left is GG and she spends most of her time bring up Mori who is the most boring member in the company.
>>114482909>Gura and Chloe (my EN/JP oshis)this guy fucks fish
>>114473276lol the butt hurt is real
>>114474537They've also been known to mask as nijisisters and/or indiefags.
>>114480563yeah like Nerissa, Kiara, CC o wait. How is is that Kronii is a better idol by not losing the plot yet always hanging on the edge of it?
>>114471681I won't watch your cuck company
>>114484043]Numbermonkey>>>/#/
There's a really nice vibe among the EN indies that are all in their 30-40 person chuuba concerts (Ollie made a cameo in one).
Just chiming in this garbage thread to say that I find it the funniest shit how Niji fell so low that the average /vt/ shitposter would rather bait by comparing Hololive with Phase.
>>114478082Boyfriend Connect
>>114471681Beep beep vroom vroom where to park my car, pippa?
There's only one thing that Phase has over HoloEN, and it's perms autism. EN has it worse than ID and JP for perms requests (except da bois), so we're relegated to 70% the same shit every month from all the talents.
>open up the phase board>it's phase fans jerking themselves off in their cuck chairs>go back to watching my oshi who actually cares about me
>>114471681oh look it's "le creative freedom" all over again. are we going to be reading about how phase interns were being paid to shill the company on 4chan a year from now?
>cuck connect
The biggest draw of holo is that they don’t constantly have little dog syndrome like all of the losers in this thread do. You can’t escape the Holo mindshare in the Phase community, meanwhile the average Holo fan genuinely doesn’t know what Phase connect is. No joke if not for this site I wouldn’t know either. So instead of this retarded comparison and insecurity you can just enjoy the talent for what she is.
>>114492181The only time I see anything about phase is when I check skeb or pixiv and see porn comms of that Airi girl, who I think is probably commissioning at least some of them herself.
>>114480563Notice how neither of them could argue against your points
>>114471681only talent worth anything in Phase is Clio, everyone else can get sent to the gallows and no value would be lost in the world.the blandest Hololive talent is more entertaining than most of Phase
>>114471681hololive english is full of wet blankets. there's like 3 talents with actually entertaining personalities and the rest is just there.Mori is the chill one. Ina is the chill one. Kiara is the annoying one. Kronii is the chill one. Irys is the chill (and stupid) one. Bae is the chill one. Fuwamocco is a genuine secret CIA experiment/ploy. Shiori is the chill one. Nerissa is the weird fujo woman one. Biboo is the pedobait one. Liz sucks. Raora is italian. Cece and Gigi are ok i guess, THERE ARE NO GOOD TALENTS. 90% OF THESE FOIDS ARE EITHER BORING AS SHIT OR ANNOYING. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU ALL GET FROM WATCHING HOLOEN???? do you just like jerking off to their models?
>>114494257Runie is the most talented vtuber full stop. Uruka and Lumi honorable mentions. Uruka in particular clears Cici on violin by a fucking mile.
>>114494257>>114494621not to mention fucking Nitty, she was born for this medium
>>114471681Parrot please.
>>114494621you're overrating Runie but i don't want to trigger an argument about talents' talents because that's not my point. i'm saying that charisma wise your blandest hololive (let's say Shiori) would clear most of Phasecunts. there's nobody in Phase that has CC's charisma.
>>114494776if CC is so great then why don't I watch her?
>>114494842Because your mom slapped the shit out of you when you were young and left you in the crib every night to get railed so now you're unconsciously attracted to whores
>>114494953cooked 'im
>>114494579Damn when you list all the talents like that and you realize there's only 15 left in total, that's really depressing
>>114494776>there's nobody in Phase that has GG's charismaftfy
Weird thread. Hololive EN talents are boring as fuck. I just assume anyone who still watches Holo just hasn't actually seen any other vtubers before. Maybe they saw a raunchy clip of a Vshojo slut once and assumed everything outside the walled garden was like that. There's no reason to watch Holo EN if you want to be entertained by a stream when small corpos and indies exist.
>>114495564The true blackpill is that 95% of VTubers are boring as shit because they have no life experience and true entertainers of the industry are the 20 viewer randos who travelled the world or have 2 PhDs but decided to stream in their free time because they're kinda introverted and bored with life
>>114495653exactly, once a vtuber quits her day job to stream full time she becomes incredibly dull immediately. Holo is one of the few corpos that pays enough and demands enough time from talents that they end up doing it full time which always makes them boring.
Is vshojo intern working for phase now?
>>114495564I've watched VTubers longer than you and have come to the conclusion that almost nothing outside of Hololive is worth watching. And yes I've probably watched a bit of your whore's streams.
Wht does Cover employ shills to accuse fans of other corpos of being shills?
>>114495786if you're talking about JP then I can understand. If you're trying to tell me that Holo EN is the only vtuber content "worth watching" then you are simply retarded
>>114495800Cover promised me a Gura fleshlight if I call Phase fans gay and retarded in a dramabait 4chan thread. what's your excuse for shilling Phase?
>>114495852I enjoy Phase streams
>>114495912imagine watching women for hours every day
>>114495815I stand by what I said. When the alternative is phase, vspoEN, small EN corpos, or EN indies, I'll just continue watching Hololive. I'm sure your 2/3view is great.
>>114495963bBut why? Holo EN is legitimately not entertaining.
I think this whole HoloEN vs Phase argument is really silly because most vtuber fans just want a nice pair of tits (or, alternatively, a child) to watch on stream and feel a bit more socially fulfilled. You aren't going to convince one person on camp or another that the other camp is better because they have more charisma or talent or whatever the fuck because that's not the point for them. Most people just want easy entertainment and they're attached to the first thing that hooks their tastes. And honestly, who gives a shit? You're just brainrotting yourself with stupid drama otherwise.
Phase is great at attracting the type of people who should be removed from society and physically prevented from having offspring. The same group of people are why Phase will never reach it's potential.
>>114496094You're free to think that, I share the same sentiment towards the rest of EN female streamers. When I'm not working, if I'm not watching a Holo stream I'm indulging in other hobbies and ventures. I've checked indies and non-Holos for years off and on and not a single EN streamer gives me what I want from a VTuber.
>>114496161Hololive fans are NPCs
>>114496206i think what the other person was asking you is what you're getting from Holo girls that you're not getting from other EN chuubas. what do you want from a VTuber?
The twitter lesbo/tranny pandering in holoEN has gotten really bad. The heckin based pick me stuff in phase is far less annoying in comparison.
>>114496290What tranny pandering lmao?Phase is full of gaybaiting lesbians as well.I'll take hololive over le edgy=pant wetting comedy any day, phase has some good talents but the fans are actual chimps
>>114496273I enjoy the box and Hololive's sense of community. I find it elevates every one of them above what an "equivalent" streamer would be outside of Hololive. I like the idol stuff, I like the music, I'm happy to finally have a game for them too. I like how many of them are passionate in their activities.I know there are talented people outside of Holo, I just don't find them more entertaining for that alone. I've come across a few EN indies over the years that I thought were alright but I've never stuck with watching any of them, but I do for some Japanese small corpo and indie chicks.
>>114496323There is a difference between modern intersectional queer shit and good ole fashioned yuri baiting. And I know the difference when I see it.
>>114496206what exactly do you want from a vtuber? Holo EN is the fluorescent office lighting of virtual entertainment. A bologna sandwich on white bread.
>>114488964My sides.Still would want to taste those wontons.
>>114471681
>>114496417>>114496409Let's hear who you think is better, and your reasons.
>>114496409this is a very fair take in all honesty. the sense of community also helps bolster the fandom, it makes you feel like you're a part of something bigger
>>114496409Breh you can find the sense of community outside of hololive too. Phase Connect just had their first convention
>>114496468A bigger community is rarely better. It’s the difference between a hot tub with your friends and a public pool full of indians.
Are phaseniggers really gonna try to pick a fight against HoloGODs right after the Pippa omegayab ???? This has to be a falseflagger
>>114496456Runie Ruse, voice of an angel, talented and hard working, never took a week off streaming in her life even without Internet, writes and performs choose your own adventure roleplay streams with chat decisions, has amazing chat interactions in general.Lia, super fujo gremlin, tsun towards chat in a fun way, but mostly she's elevated by also being the main dancing talent of Phase. Seeing this bratty little sister who told me to kill myself last week because I made fuj of her yaoi rant performing on stage is surreal.Lumi, similar appeal to both of them others. Ger role play streams are much more improvized than Runie but she bounces off chat more directly. Very good at "yes, and". Possibly the most beautiful voice in Phase.For me it's the gap moe of women being unhinged daily but pulling it together for performance. Holo just doesn't let their talents be quite so crazy so the contrast is less. Gigi is the closest obviously but her schtick is too "safe" and she doesn't really perform much.
>>114496615Phase is immune to yabs. Pippa listened to her community and that was the end of it.
>>114496714"her community" doesn't give a damn about collabs like that. It was a Discord raid and nothing more. She should not have canceled the stream.
>>114496468>>114496545I don't just mean the fan community, I also mean the interactions between Holo members. There really is nothing like it in the VTuber or streaming world. And personally I find the Holo community better.>>114496671Just a difference in opinion. I recognize that there are vtubers outside of Holo that are talented but I just don't click with phase and most female EN vtubers/streamers(and I don't watch male vtubers or any fleshies). I don't really find the "unhinged" aspect endearing or entertaining, and I've seen it lead to major crashouts and hostility towards their own fanbases. I'm fine with some restrictions being in place if it gets rid of that. My only real complaints are game perms and some workload issues.
>>114496835I find that most of the girls in phase are very emotionally mature under the unhinged act whereas holo girls seem fake and catty
>>114496915>seem fake and cattyI don't really get this, especially the claim for cattiness. There are endless stories from Holos hanging out with each other off stream and getting along well. Even some JP nijisanji girls were shocked by how different and supportive Holos are of each other.
>>114471681>Hololive en has been weak latelyThey'd have to actually stream to be present enough to compare
>>114497043Cover needs to take half of EN out back and shoot them with the affiliate gun to make room for new gens that actually stream.
>>114496782>It was a Discord raid
I've made my points enough in this thread, another phase yab just happened so I'm sure I don't need to tap the sign more than I have already.
>>114496915>>114497043>>114497195Is the 0.3% this delusional ? phasewhores will never come even close to a Holo talent
>>114501978>another yabWhat now?
