it's over

She must've seen her stock value ticking down.

>>114699808
Yeah...for OP's anal Virginity.

Disingenuity up the ass

I'm sure it means nothing that all the talents who live in japan see no big deal while all the talents outside nipland are dooming

>It's not like those who stream in English for English speakers will stop doing so
about that…

the ones that were fearful of change had a very good reason to be afraid.
because they were leeches on the company and they were afraid they were finally going to be looked at and cut loose.
all the normal members that actually operate have no reason to be mad about anything.

>>114699808
>"When JP held an event, all participants would tend to be JP. But now, after the merger, EN and ID members will have an easier time joining the events. Since we're all together, we can hold events for everyone, I think."

so yes, something like breaking dimensions and serendipity will never happen again, because japs must now be included. you rike?

>>114699976
unironically yes
I'd much rather watch pekomiko in the US than bloodraven

>>114699741
Lol what a bootlicker

fubuki pulled it off. she's literally a hololive success story.

>>114699976
>because japs must now be included. you rike?
Considering the absolute fucking state of holoEN, yes. Hard yes.

>>114699741
A very reasonable take from Fubuki as usual.

>>114699976
Don't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about.
Instead, pretend to be retarded. Tell us that the JPs that performed at those concerts you named "didn't count", because they were listed as guests.

>>114699976
This isn't even remotely true. Every major event had some ENs joining up.

EN had a separate concert in the US because it made more sense to host an event for an english-speaking audience in an english-speaking country, and because it made logistics more practical for the talents themselves.

This bullshit is pure spin. Lying about the status quo and then claiming an imagined improvement that won't happen. You won't see more ENs in JP concerts, because travel distance and timezones remain a major barrier for them. You'll just see more of Mori and IRyS LARPing as JPs and being held up as token EN members at JP events while speaking in JP and singing songs in JP. You won't see english concerts anymore, or concerts hosted outside of Japan. You won't see talents that don't speak japanese at events outside of the single yearly big concert that they all get dragged to japan for.

It's a manufactured pretense to justify what we all know is happening, most of the EN branch being discarded and the remainder becoming honorary JPs that get paraded around so Cover can still tell investors that they aren't out of the western market.

>>114699976
Yes, I don't give a fuck about gg and the green grifter

>>114700041
>>114699990
>>114700102
See >>114700133

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>>114699976
Funny how Mori predicted this

>>114699741
https://litter.catbox.moe/au4y83utlhs2jgww.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/8dttuyuban47kemo.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/5byot2rmq3el5nko.png

>>114700199
Because she's an insider. She and others have probably known about this planned branch culling for a year now. That's why there's been such an undercurrent of doomposting.

>>114700199
>>114700228
She is lucky that they didn't throw her into one of Cover's windowless rooms and remove her from being able to do anything until she quit from not acting like this was the best thing ever

>>114700199
How much is the fan overlap between JP and EN? The audience for each seem to have very little overlap

... Are we the baddies?

>>114699741
It's no wonder the doomschizos on reddit and twitter shat on Fubuki for this.
The word bootlicker is abused every time a holo isn't outright trashing Cover, but this is actual bootlicker shit. She has zero right to speak for the corp and "how things will be", especially not on a topic that she has no clue about because she can't even conceive what it means to be a neglected gaijin branch.
When US concerts get axed, will she dogeza and apologize for lying to our faces?
Like fuck outta here, you don't speak for the corp, you don't know more than other talents, you have no right to assert your opinions as the truth.

>>114700295
If you unironically come crawling back after this, I'd say so. Nobody can blame holo fans for getting shafted like this, but if you take the shaft and come back for more whatever happens next is on you.

>>114700055
It's easy for yes-men to always agree with the company.

>>114699741
Yeah it's basically a nothingburger

>>114700329
>you don't speak for the corp
But she do get paid hand over fist to say that Cover is good and not Black Corp

>>114699741
Based Fubs putting those antis in there place!

I'm supposed to care or feel bad about the trials and tribulations of EN/ID for what reason again?

>>114699741
Hololive will now be more united than ever so I think this is a good thing.

>>114700448
First they came for the hombeggars
And I did not speak up, because I was not a homobeggar
Then they came for the indogs
And I did not speak up, because I was an indog
Then they came for the EoPs
And I did not speak up, because I was not an EoP
Then they came for the vocal kaigainiki
And I did not speak up, because I was not a vocal kaigainiki
Then they came for the lurkers
And there was nobody left to speak up for me.

>>114699741
>>"Personally I didn't find anything worrying about the merger. I was like "ah, naruhodo."
JP member surprised non-JP members are pessimistic about becoming JP members when many don't speak JP. News at 11.

>>114699741
Based Company Woman Fubuki

The reason Hololive will stand as long as she is there is because she'll be the last woman out.

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>>114700000
HOLY LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS!!!

>>114700448
You'll care when profits collapse and Cover starts having to press the JP members. Those EOPs pay a chunk of your bills.

>>114699966
>because they were leeches on the company and they were afraid they were finally going to be looked at and cut loose.
Those leeches are the only ones donating superchats. The EN Branch alone makes 1/3rd of the JP branch. Do you think Cover is going to be OK losing that if even a few EN members leave? They won't.

>>114700286
>How much is the fan overlap between JP and EN?
There fucking isn't one. /vt/ is the schizo capital of the Vtuber space where every person here wants to see hololive fail, and they are cheering the idea of mixing the JP and EN audiences because the EN audiences can't speak Japanese. They are EOPs by nature. So if Mori's prediction ends up being remotely true it will grenade their profitability overseas because no one is going to go watch Pekora if they don't understand her. They also aren't going to pay entry level for ticket prices if they can't enjoy 1/3rd of the show.

>>114700617
who tf mentioned numbers
god you're a schizo
this is about what people want out of the company
Nobody wanted shit like holoearth but we got it anyway.

>>114700629
The profits have already collapsed because indo is poor and there's no simpbux from them, and en is underperforming because of trumptariffs and how he wants to make (you) die for the tribe in the straight of gayjews.
This merge is because cover sees that the future beyond glorious nippon is bleak, and so they're trying to nip that shit in the bud.

>>114700681
True, I'm willing to be 3-5x asking price to see the JPs before even considering paying to spend a second of time for a biboo or a mori or any of the other ones.

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>>114699741

If this were true why didn't holostars merge? "was there ever a need to seperate from the begining anyway?"

Obviously yes, same with all branches.
So naturally, it's not about unity, it's about money.

Otherwise "insiders" wouldn't get preferential treatment.

>>114699741
>"It's not like those who stream in English for English speakers will stop doing so. So I'm like... isn't it fine?"
She truly doesn't know about what happened to the twin dogs.

>>114700331
What am I gonna do? I like a few of the talents and just because they're getting fucked over doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching. If you mean spending money, I haven't really been doing that for two years, because the general feeling of Holo has become "SUCK AS MUCH MONEY OUT OF THE FANS AS POSSIBLE" all the time. There's constant new merch, constant pushes for corporate collabs and sponsorships, all while multiple talents I like talk about getting more and more tired from everything they have to do. Then some faggot comes here and tells me 'le idol company lolol' like this is the way it's been since the beginning despite it not being that way at all.

>>114700784
Yeah Foobs isn't very aware of their golden week fuckery that really caused a lot of problems or the other JP focused content that has divided ruffians time and time again

>>114699976
>something like breaking dimensions and serendipity will never happen again
Please god let this be true.

>>114700702
He's talking about the quints you joyless faggot.

>>114700649
That's the thing I don't get the most. People act like EN wasn't bringing in anything, on the level of ID. You can make the argument that a Beard Papa corporate sponsorship or Le Sportsac isn't anywhere near as big as something in Japan, and you'd be right, but the EN branch and 'Global' money isn't negligible.

>>114699976
Why would I be upset over the japanese being included? Why would anyone over at EN not be over the moon for the opportunity to work with the Big JP top tier club? It's more of a favor to the latter.

>>114699741
>stream in english
Bullshit, fuwamoco would have been thrilled doing japanese from the start and ID do english for a reason
>easier to join events
They joined events before just fine
>equal
Hololive has never been equal, no corpo is.
I used to like her but after going public she slowly became true corpo woman.

>>114700857
>What am I gonna do?
Find some way to spend your free time that doesn't involve feeding metrics into a company that hates you would probably be the sensible thing to do. But hey it's your time and your dignity.

>>114700941
I think people fear the possiblity of it turning into an arms race of popularity for a lot of the things like that. Now you'll get half a roster of JP talents and a chunk of the popular ENs while the rest of EN gets left in the cold. It's the corporatization of everything that starts to drag on the mental state of some of the talents and comes to mind for the fans. You start pulling back the curtain and people start to get disinterested.
>>114700991
This gets into the territory of "Stop drinking coke because they kill people!"

>>114701008
>It's the corporatization of everything that starts to drag on the mental state of some of the talents and comes to mind for the fans. You start pulling back the curtain and people start to get disinterested.
Yeah it's a job, oh nyooo. what is this backwards nonsense?

>>114699741
>when JP held an event all the members tended to be JP
There have been like eight events in the last month with EN, ID, and JP mixed together.

>>114701036
Right, and they used to do a lot better job at not making it feel like I was watching someone do a job.

>>114701036
Anon the company's business model revolves around viewers donating thousands and thousands of dollars to free livestreams because they feel such a powerful sense of mutual good will with the streamer and their personal goals.

Yeah, when the shoggoth behind them pulls its mask off and shatters the eunoia, it has consequences.

>>114700784
nothing?

>>114701082
that's not the business model, tourist.

>>114701082
As long as the JPs are fine, It's ALL fine.

>>114700286
The overlap is incredibly small, rounding error tier. Some have interest in JP, other nips have some interest in EN, but the effect is mostly temporary as the language barrier becomes more and more of an issue. The nips who stick to EN basically abandon the JP girls and same goes for the EN guys who stick with JPs. There's a limited amount of time, which is split between the girl and learning the language, and money, after all.

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>>114700286
Extremely small
When vtubing was more niche, EN and JP viewer overlaps were far more common because EN viewers didn't have vtubers to watch that actually spoke english. 95% of the reason they kept trending on and actually being a constant for EN speakers is cause of clips, but regardless of that a major motivator was just to see a cute anime girl do some cute shit; you didn't need to speak japanese to get that dopamine hit. When the west started to get more EN vtubers there was a small overlap from JP viewers, but the truth is they already had their outlet for cute girls doing cute shit, so the only reason to watch an EN was for the novelty of watching an EN speaker, and once that gets boring and the feeling of
>"I don't know what the fuck is going on"
Sets in, then the JP viewers return to their JP vtubers. Likewise over time, EN's started to develop this too. Whereas before we had no options, we're now so flooded with options that cater to us that the actual appeal of a JP has become the sheer novelty of
>"I don't know what this girl is saying"
And then once more that feeling of not understanding her will set in and make most people just switch to someone they can actually understand and connect with, much the same as how JP viewers were with EN vtubers.

I won't pretend that there aren't people that exist that make an intentional effort to defy that stereotype; JPbros and ENbros that have forced themselves to learn the respective language so they can become a fan, and even just diehards that like a vtuber even if they can't understand them, but they're a statistical anomaly. It'd be cool if things overlapped more, but the reality is for their to be overlap you have to cater to both actively, and the second you cater to one you risk pushing the other away. It's a very fine line that lots of chuubas struggle with.

>>114700649
that's because almost all the JP's have superchats off lol
i'm also not talking about entire branches, just the ones that are complaining about the merge for no reason and causing a giant mess for their own company.

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>>114700199
>You know, Mori Calliope predicted all of this.

>>114701117
The new business model is make an IP out of a face to sell to corporations so the company can make more money. The NEW business model mind you. It sure as fuck wasn't that 4-6 years ago.

>>114699741
dumb fucking niggercat

>>114699741
"let them eat cake" ahh statement

>>114699741
don't care lying bitch

>>114701224
The problem this is that unlike Chiikawa or Sanrio or something, the popularity of a Holo IP doesn't come from the face looking cute or having a nice line of plushies. It comes from thousands of hours with a real person streaming behind the avatar establishing their persona and gradually building that sense of rapport and good will with a core fanbase who then spread their good will via word of mouth.

Good will is the beating heart of the business. The character IP instantly becomes worthless if you break it. Business leaders frequently make this fatal mistake because they literally do not possess the capacity for good will and cannot understand how it functions in actual humans. And now that they all have an AI yesman in their phones telling them they can do no wrong, the whole market has an even bigger megalomania problem

>>114701377
Man if they are that stupid imagine how stupid the lower level artists and creatives are. Things are grim for them and their subordinates!

>>114701377
Right, I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying that some retards somewhere decided that this was the best course of action because it affects the bottom dollar (or yen). The money has always mattered, but it's REALLY pushing things hard now.
I'd like to add that none of this will affect JP sales, because the JP talents and JP fans will be entirely unaffected by this stuff. Meanwhile EN and the fans around it are having a sort of crisis moment about what this means for the future, and it's causing one hell of a rift inside the fanbase, far worse than basically anything else has so far.

so who are the tiny ones that are going to be forgotten? Is it basically just flowglow and maybe one or two EN?
Ignoring that ID is already basically only twitter popular

>>114700286
ill read subbed anime any day, but subbed shit machine translations of shit/broken english is insufferable

>>114701432
In EN I expect ERB, Kiara, Shiori, and maybe Ina to take a hit. Maybe not in actual popularity, but things will get harder for them.
>>114700681
You're right, a board filled with shiteaters from /jp/ with a superiority complex are lapping this up.

>>114701377
pretty sure hololive understands this, otherwise you'd have some new person wearing the skin of the ones that quit the company by now.
they know that graduation is the death of the character and all the effort spent on designing it and growing that brand.

>>114701563
They've spent half of their investor meetings talking about how to circumvent that death of the character.

>>114701589
if people want to quit and they let them how is that a bad thing?
they can only bend so far when they demand things that just can't be reasonably accomplished. one talent demanding the entire management changes their behavior just isn't going to happen at any company, not even the CEO really has control over their company's culture.

>>114701436
I'm fluent in japanese I just can't really relate to them. Japanese have weird ass lives.

>>114701639
truth nuke

>>114699976
what bugs me is how on earth would this matter? Nothing changes if the event was open to all branches to begin with.

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I can't blame her for being surprised. If anything, JP has the least to 'lose' from this merger, so of course they see nothing wrong with it, they were ALWAYS hololive. Let's see if cover makes any of the jp holomems do any english-oriented streams or events, while forcing the EN and ID girls to do JP-only stuff.

JP Shareholders don't see any actual reason to keep doing EN shit in a post-Gura environment, and seeing a lot of the holoEN reaction leads me to believe they see it to.

>>114701631
I'm not saying it like that, I'm just talking about how Cover has been entirely focused on ways to keep the brand going past the talent leaving.
>>114700286
I've watched translated clips plenty, along with almost full stream sections like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkEaiyE0i5c
and had a good time. I just can't be assed to learn an entire language when a good chunk of what I want to watch from Japan has subs anyway. You can argue the quality of those subs and there's always going to be some fuckery by some people with them, but it's done me pretty well in talking to other anime, manga, and VN fans in the past. I've got no hatred for the JP side of the company, but I'm not dumb enough to think this isn't a one-way street.

>>114701690
EN concerts were always open to all members. Sora has been at every single one, leading a cadre of rotating jp talents that are always sent to the EN concerts to cameo.
They just don't send very many because of the costs involved. These events were never ever EN-exclusive, it just never made sense to send many talents who aren't going to stream in english, create english-centered content or ever really do anything that appeals to an english audience beyond sounding like the easy japanese ass you find on tinder in Asakusa.

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mori is collabing with koyori tonight, surely mori will speak english right?

>>114701377
It's a very good point and you can see it in how Nijisanji was blinded in what happened with Selen. The execs don't understand their own business

>>114701639
I don't think they are all that weird. Some of their culture sounds nice, as I struggle with overtly individualistic people to the point where it's detrimental for everyone including the retards in question where I live, so their idea of collectivism sounds attractive. The only thing that kills me from their zatsus is the brand shit and shows they've seen during their childhood

>>114701800
one of them is bilingual and the other is not.
it wouldn't make a very good stream if she just spoke english the entire time while koyori doesn't understand shit.
you people are so fucking retarded.

>>114701845
The mayomutt should learn English

>>114701845
>JP shouldn't have to learn!
>It's up to the EN to stop speaking English, the main language their fans know, and cater to the Japanese!

>>114701880
>>114701894
>want to interact with person that only speaks japanese
>i speak japanese and english
>the other person should learn english
god damn you guys are retards.

>>114701224
the business model are the concerts, events and merch.

>>114701563
They understood this until recently but with stuff like the anime and all the dialog written for holodori it really feels like they're starting to test the waters on seperating the "character" from the person behind it.

>>114701692
>Let's see if cover makes any of the jp holomems do any english-oriented streams or events, while forcing the EN and ID girls to do JP-only stuff.
I don't think its about forcing JP or EN or forcing EN on JP. It's probably just a way to eliminate support on the lesser popular ENs and IDs. Basically a less severe version of the homostar treatment.

>>114701845
Koyori literally does her news streams in both japanese and english and reads the english aloud every time. She has the english competency to do full english streams solo or in collabs with ENs if the almighty investor deemed it so.

>>114701800
Surely Koyori will speak english right?

>>114701692
Nobody was ever forced to join, but there were several EN-exclusive events that they were pushed into, like ENReco, the EN concert, and many other EN-exclusive events.
Now that guardrail is gone, we get to see bitchass talents with nothing to show for themselves bitching, and bitchass viewers with nothing to offer bitching right alongside them.

>>114701942
glass half full or half empty scenario really.
having them be included is either an homage to someone that used to work at hololive or an insulting cashgrab or whatever depending on how mentally ill you are.
if they were excluded you'd have the same people getting upset either way so what the hell can you do?

>>114701780
I think you're looking at it backwards.
It sounds like she's saying it'd be easier for EN and ID to join the JP events, to which I'd ask what was different before?

>>114701934
The point being made is that this whole 'It's good for everyone' is what people are upset about. It isn't good for fans who don't know Japanese. People are willing to put up with some content they can't understand, some more than others. If the point of the branches being killed off was to make it so people watched more streams from other branches, they'd have to put the effort on those other branches to speak in a language that can be understood. I've never been mad about some JP streams. Sometimes I watch them anyway because it's something that doesn't require a lot of context, like those friend slop games. The issues is that EN fans see the dissolving of branches and see multiple EN talents start posting Japanese tweets right afterwords, and it makes it seem like the EN are fishing for JP viewership, which means more possible JP streams and less things that are 'watchable' for people who want context.

>>114701934
Yes you're retarded anon we understand that

>>114701934
what is this main character syndrome lol

>>114701956
show me a clip of her showing fluency in english and i'll believe you, i honestly don't really watch her.

>>114701950
It is absolutely forcing ENs to be JP. That's precisely why a parade of them took to twitter to beg for a new audience in japanese.

What is actually happening? All I see is doom. Aren't they just getting rid of middle management bloat?

>>114701937
In no world are those the main money makers.They drive engagement with streaming and personable talents, that engagement leads to viewership and sales of merch, which gives them the opportunity to do things like concerts and gives them more chances to score corporate collaborations which is where the big bucks are.
Tell me, if you start taking away that base, the thing at the start of all of it, do you really think the rest of the blocks built on this tower are gonna stay up?

>>114702066
>What is actually happening?
Nothing good I can deduct that much

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>>114699741
>>"Personally I didn't find anything worrying about the merger. I was like "ah, naruhodo."

>>114702067
the revenue from streaming like 20%, Cover does reports every quarter, and concerts and merch are way higher.

>>114700199
RIP. This is definitely happening.

>>114702093
>>114702066
They will remove any managements that fought to get EN stuff when the Japanese management didn't give the things or just ghost them and replaced them with the same Japanese management who ghosted them to start with

Fubuki might as well be the Mouth of Sauron at this point.

>>114702153
Oh, so you're just being retarded on purpose. Got it.
>>114702197
This might be a little ridiculous, but the majority of the fighting in the EN fanbase is this + the fact that Cover has shown that they don't go out of their way to really try to cater to the EN fans when related to JP content.

>>114702153
NTA but even so the other guy is right or partially right, concerts and merch may be how the character is monetized but streams build the character. At least initially (until you get something self sustaining like gura). Streams are like the loss leader in a store. They're important and if some retard exec reads the statistic you mentioned and concludes "streams dont matter lol" in typical genius exec fashion it'll lead to bad decisions.

About time normies realize how meaningless Fubuki's words are

>>114702024
i think you have to be extremely negative to see it that way.
you really think they were forced to learn japanese so they could slowly turn into full time japanese language streamers?
it isn't possible that they're super weeaboos that joined a japanese company that learned japanese to interact with the other 80% of their peers?
i'm not even a fuwamoco fan and even i know they were hyper weeaboos to begin with and this is practically their dream. if you liked them it shouldn't be considered a "betrayal" to you to see them have fun interacting with japanese people just because you personally can't understand them.
all of the ones that are fluent enough to be considered bilingual still stream mainly in english.

>>114702066
In non-spin terms, the EN and ID branches are dead and the remaining talents have "officially' been folded into the main branch. Like the stars, they no longer have managers, no longer have access to budget or resources or studio time and are expected to either lapse their contract and graduate or coast as forgotten periphery streamers. And, of course, there are no longer bilingual intermediaries available to translate between branches so ENs have to either learn japanese or fuck off.

Of course it also means that there will no longer be events hosted outside of Japan. And, since EN is gone as a brand, there will almost certainly never be another gen geared towards the english-speaking audience. Basically, EN got the stars treatment and are now officially mandated 3rd class citizens in the corporation, except for the small minority of ENs living in Japan who can do their own paperwork in japanese and established a japanese fanbase before their branch blew up, ie Mori, IRyS. Those ones will just become honorary JPs and be pressured to cater their content even more explicitly to japanese viewers.

And just speculation on my part, but having gutted so much of their bilingual support staff, there is almost certainly going to be a big blowup in a few months when Cover fails to properly file visa paperwork and some ENs that live in Japan get deported.

>>114702214
I wouldn't put it pass them not even getting them the English version permissions for stuff because they didn't understand that the English speaking Vtuber want the permissions for the English versions of games

>>114702331
No one said they were forced. People might not like when someone they like, follow, and support suddenly starts doing more and more JP streams. I think it's interesting you discredit that I said I didn't mind some JP streams here and there. It's just a little ridiculous for a bunch of EN talent to make prepared Japanese tweets about watching them if they have no interest in doing more Japanese content, given I'd assume most JP fans are not interested in watching someone who speaks mainly a language they don't fluently know.
The notion that the EN, ID, and JP stamp kept anyone from watching a talent is over-the-top and is one of the cruxes of this argument. It's not the title, it's the language spoken that stops people from watching.

>>114702373
>but having gutted so much of their bilingual support staff
Proof

>>114702049
That anon is full of shit. Koyo has zero understanding what she reads in english. Her news show has machine translated text at best

I'd be curious to see if Fubuki herself will start collabing with some of the ENs or IDs besides Anya and Mori.

>>114702548
I'll give Koyo a nod for at least trying to do something for EN viewership. 99% of the JP side of the company doesn't give a fuck though.

>>114702401
my argument was that if you "like, follow and support" and are actual fans of these particular people you should probably be aware that they're big fans of japanese culture. them learning japanese to interact with their japanese coworkers to be able to have fun is part of their journey.
if their viewership dies down then they'll probably stop doing it, there's probably a pretty good reason why these collabs usually happen on the JP collaborator's channel (like the mori collab happening on koyori's channel).
like i dunno, do you guys want them all to apologize for learning a whole ass language to talk to a new set of people they couldn't interact with at all before? they aren't even "leaving their EN fans behind" because their main streams are still in fucking english and none of them have announced plans to change that.
it's really hard to actually force humans to learn another language, just look at what happens when people migrate to other countries.

>>114702401
also i don't know why people are focusing so hard on the one japanese tweet they all posted after the announcements.
it's basically just a formal greeting.
you really think they're just going to start posting about their daily lives and other random stuff in japanese now?

>>114699741
Of course the company mouthpiece would see nothing wrong with the merger.
Unity is an illusion.
And the kaigai members know this deeply

>>114702643
No, you're misunderstanding that i seriously think something like the one-off baseball collab that Mori's doing with Koyo is a bad thing. No one is upset about one-offs, but people are questioning when a talent shows some level of interest in garnering a following with people who speak a different language. A random Japanese tweet saying "Don't forget about me JPnikki!" wouldn't even be that bad in and of itself, but when coupled with branches titles getting killed off and what amounts to a bunch of corpo-speak saying "DO NOT WORRY CITIZENS", you're gonna look at that and think it's a bit fucked.

Ultimately it comes down to this: us fans do not know what this really means. There are a billion different things it could mean behind the scenes or could literally be as simple as a name change.
But the talents should know what it means. And the fact that there has been some negative sentiment about it from them is not a good sign.

>>114702604
there's around a dozen JPs who are willing to at least humor the idea of speaking English, even if its just broken passion English. some like Subaru are actively studying. others show up to those meme Mori teaching collabs, like Miko.

>>114702709
Bet they will. JP management, now their management will demand it. This was a bad idea for EN. I can see the argument to fold ID though

>>114702729
yeah alright fair i might be associating your arguments with some of the more schizophrenic posts around these parts.
but i think you guys should actually see what happens before complaining over nothing. i feel like stopping to think about it logically is enough to realize people are acting dumb over this.
even in the absolute worst case scenario, your oshi will graduate and come back as an independant free to do whatever the hell she actually wants to do (assuming cover is forcing them to do things they do not want to do).

>>114700896
Shit you're right.
I am being a joyless faggot and he did make good quints

>>114702758
>us fans do not know what this really means.
We do, we're just in the cope phase right now. We understand completely that there has never been a restructuring that is better for the final product. We don't own hololive stock so this is only a detriment to us.

>>114702806
>even in the absolute worst case scenario, your oshi will graduate and come back as an independant
I mean that is the absolute worse case and a bad scenario the fuck? People are worried because of this exact scenario you retarded mf'er

>>114702769
When you say humor the idea, you mean in fragmented sentences where the stream then just becomes Japanese anyway for the ease of conversation between the collaborators. You'll get a rare psudo-translation collab where someone like FWMC sit with Laplus and Nerissa to do something, but the only time on the EN side of things I've ever seen someone really stick to their guns about trying to keep it English with JP partners is Kiara. She had a soft-rule that if you did the collab on her channel, she would do some translating for fans occasionally and would try to get your to speak passion English often, if on your channel it was almost entirely JP.
>>114702806
This is a VERY FRESH thing with multiple talents ranging from somewhat happy about it all the way to doomposting on their own about it and everything in-between
This is honestly the biggest rift I've ever seen in this community, and it isn't just schizos here having these concerns and comments.

>>114699741
Sweet corpo damage control PR talk

NijiEN won
Somehow
What the fuck

>>114702868
but how the fuck is it a bad thing?
if we're going by the flawed assumption that corporate is forcing them to do these things that they don't want to do.
they get to be free and be whoever the hell they want to be and there's already pretty good evidence that it's a path that works.
are you not going to follow your oshi just because she is not under a corporate umbrella that doesn't care about her anymore?
she's still the same person, the only thing she will lose is access to member collabs and you guys apparently hate it when they do that already because it's with a person that speaks another language.

As they say. If it ain't broken, no need to fix it.
This restructuring only means that something is broken and upper management are faggots that would rather dissolve the identity of different branches rather than address and find the solution to the core problem. And we all know what the core problem is.

>>114702962
>are you not going to follow your oshi just because she is not under a corporate umbrella
It's not the same.
It will never be the same anymore.

>>114702962
Do you watch every anime you come across cause there is a voice actor you like? or do you like the anime she was in? Same concept. Culture and vibe all changes when they play as someone else.

>>114702981
>And we all know what the core problem is.
Subhuman japs being in charge?

>>114699741
It means there’s never gonna be a new EN talent, and Fubuki knows that, and she’s just pretending she doesn’t understand the issue in the same way that leftists like to do

>>114702887
I've seen it the most when they are doing the big collabs where they are all independently playing a game (minecraft, GTA, rust) and randomly run into each other and they try to communicate. hopefully with this new company "unity", they will do those things more often, though the ENs would need crazy sleep schedules to catch the JPs being active.

>>114703023
it's the same person, you got too attached to the jpg and not the actual person. i know the visual appearance is a large part of the appeal for a vtuberr but if you really do actually like a person you'd still like them even if they wore another jpg.
>>114703033
i don't really subscribe to seiyu culture, it's interesting when i see the ones i recognize but i understand they're playing roles. i'm not even really sure this is an apt comparison.

>>114703047
Since no one has pointed this out in this thread I shall lay out some patterns.
Which branch had new gens recently?
Which branch had failed new gens recently?
Which branch are people looking forward for a new gen?
How did management address the people's expectations?

>>114702981
That saying exists because of meddling idiots, anon

>>114703126
I mean they all have a roommate, if you have a oshi go watch their roommate and see that it is in fact not the same at all

>we're not going to sell out after going public
Shill streams and gacha out the wazoo.
>we're not going to drop streaming in favor of idolshit
Streaming hours through the floor, "homework" for weeks at a time.
>we're not consolidating to pump all our resources into JP
Will you fall for it a third time, anons?

>>114703126
>he separates the ego and id
It's like I'm talking to tourists once again.

>>114699741
>so... was there ever a need to separate ID and EN from the beginning anyway?"
lmao bruh this better not be real

>>114703170
Coco's a good example. As much as I like her new identity, she had genmate chemistry and an environment in Hololive that worked better for many people who were fans. It's not wrong to say it. That's just how some things are.

>>114699741
>why fan backlash
because fans know how jp is towards the foreign/en talents.

this is your typical "japanese woman doesn't want acknowledge how they treat their foreign guests"
they pretend to not know what the big deal is, but they know they treat foreign talents badly.
naruhodo wont save you

>>114703184
>Will you fall for it a third time, anons?
Nope. I learned my lesson already.
Now I'm making dumb mistakes with indies instead.

>>114699741
Of course FBK has nothing to worry about, she's practically just as much the face of the company as Sora is. She'll be fine no matter what happens, while there's a reason talents like Haachama were having mental breakdowns on stream over always getting passed up for everything and having all her ideas shot down by management.

>>114703170
maybe if they can't hold up the act anymore after becoming independant then they really weren't being true to themselves. it's character development if anything. if they didn't have any fun acting as that character then isn't enjoying that persona kind of a cruel thing to do to someone?
>>114703190
just being real, we're already in a thread talking about corporate happenings so it's not like we're in a space where we're all pretending they are digital anime girls that talk to us.

>>114703116
Ah you see. Simple solution, the ENs and IDs must move to Japan. Graduate if you don't.

>>114703269
It's not great for FBK either. Being the face of management is a dangerous position to be in

>>114703269
Can't wait for a chunk of EN to get that now that they're all ONE BIG FAMILY!!!
Good for FWMC and Mori, likely bad for the rest.

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>>114703147
And who do you think suggested this "unity" bullshit?

>>114703299
The EU members are fucked

>>114702758
if it was as simple as a rebranding with nothing else changing, there wouldn't have been so much gloom and doom from the talents themselves leading up to this. instead we're getting paragraphs of tweets explaining how nothing's wrong. something has already gone wrong, they just can't break NDA to say what.

>>114703311
I've heard it called the good idea fairy. Don't think this shit is only seen in vtubing

>>114703291
You really are a tourist, fuck off man

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>>114703347
yeah sure, i don't subscribe to schizophrenic delusions so i'm a bit of an outsider i'll admit.
considering the state of this stupid ass board i really don't know what i'm doing here either.

>>114703344
mori wouldn't have gone on a hiatus and called out the company on it if it wasn't "nothing".

>>114701506
ERB will be fine because she mostly just wants to sing anyway. You don’t need to speak much Japanese for that, and JPs will be happy to invite her for that kind of thing

>>114703511
Divesting emotionally from Cover is smart whether you're a talent or a fan. It's obvious they don't care about either

>>114703428
she's appearing on a stream tonight in one hour, is that really a hiatus?

>>114699741
a few years ago fubuki became the biggest corpo bootlicker in the company

>>114702373
>they no longer have managers, no longer have access to budget or resources or studio time

Why did you need a manager for that? Why were the girls unable to send emails to the studio manager themselves saying they would like x amount of time, is there any open time between y and z dates? Why is a manager required to send an email to merchandise/marketing saying I think kiara phoenix shaped lava lamp that glows orange and red would be rad, here's a reference of a eu company that would do it for 100k for 1000 units, maybe you guys can find a better deal or a NA or JP manufacture to reduce shipping costs. Hell you probably could just email marketing saying that you want to do a sake colab and marketing would figure it out. And now that there's no more branches/managers she could just send choco a dm and ask if she wanted to colab with her. Or just straight up go on slack or discord or whatever chat they use and blast a "I'm want to do a blah blah stream on the third week of October anyone want to join"? Like everything I've read or heard about the managers were that they were 1)expensive calendars and 2)tried and stopped the talents before they put their feet in their mouths.

>Of course it also means that there will no longer be events hosted outside of Japan.
Why not? Who actually set up the dodgers stadium or concerts? I bet it was covers marketing team, which is on the Japanese side of the company.

Like what is actually being lost? Not what you speculate is being lost.

>>114703749
Fubuki is actually a manager that streams. CMM

>>114703749
the more you know both sides, the more you tend to favor the corpo
hard to imagine the hell that is working with a large group of mostly hysterical women

>>114699741
imagine during the early years you debuted a group of Indonesian-speaking talents for the Indonesian market, and didn't even bother to make the ID distinction. how the fuck would you market that?

Fubuki: "let them eat cake"

Acting like things such as the Dodgers collabs can never japan again when the very first one was 2 JPs and 1 EN

>>114703777
>Why did you need a manager for that?
Probably to do the practical work of deconfliction in a large organization, like everywhere else on the planet

>>114704199
Good ol corporate bloat. Gotcha m8.

>>114702709
I mean probably half of FWMC's tweets are in Japanese, but they're not representative.

>>114704317
Sure thing, burger flipper.

>>114703107
Shut up you retarded /pol/tard lmao

>>114704317
You can't really "gotcha" a speculative example. Let's say you have 8 EN talents, 8 JP talents, and 8 ID talents. Is it easier to coordinate each branch with their manager then engage with the 3D studio, or have 24 girls in a free for all and just see what happens? This isn't even a complicated question.

>>114699741
I think when Fubuki pulled out that "As long as I'm in Hololive, everything is okay" bullshit and people were actually stupid enough to fall for it, Cover realized that all they have to do is keep Fubuki happy and they will have a legion of mindless drones that will support them no matter what.

>>114704498
TRVE

>>114704498
Even r/hololive is in rebellion. Fans still want to like Hololive, but almost nobody bit on Cover's rrat

>>114699741
It's very annoying that there are hardly JP-only events nowadays. What used to be JP-only events is now riddled with EN ID members. With the merger, it's going to happen more.

>>114704525
agreeing with redditors isn't really a good point, let's be honest.

>>114699741
I think it would've went smoother if it was announced that the new generation had ID and EN speakers in it too. Obviously JPs don't have to worry about the merger, nothing changes for them. It's ENs and IDs that need a little extra convincing.

>>114704431
Like I asked earlier, why do they need to talk to a manager to have him talk to another manager to see if something can work? Why not just have the girls talk directly to the latter manager?

>>114704634
Isn't the whole point to marginalize ID and EN?

>>114704634
That wouldnt work very well given all the protests from the talents themselves, which are basically shooting themselves in the foot by doing so as they're steering people away with their statements.

>>114704753
Why do you call 911 dispatch and not each individual working at an emergency service directly? Is that 'bloat'? Come on anon. Be a little more open-minded

>>114704814
Because 911 needs to be dispatched immediately. You emailing a manager can wait 24-72 hours and not be in any danger of not making your appointment because it hasn't even been scheduled yet.

>>114705351
That's not the reason. When you're dealing with multiple people, limited resources and prioritization questions, usually it's wise to attempt some kind of coordination.
>we could just do away with all of that
Yes, and it becomes a fucking mess. Imagine all 24 talents in our example book their Holofes 3D studio time, late, in a slot that overlaps each other, it physically doesn't work, and the event has to be cancelled or talents get cut. This is why management exists, to ensure those kind of scenarios are avoided. Or just trust me on it. Inefficiency does exist but it's not always bloat.

Of course management's strongest bootlicker does not see anything wrong with the merge lol

>>114700199
The fat cunt can quit any time she wants if she's unhappy.

>>114705689
>Yes, and it becomes a fucking mess. Imagine all 24 talents in our example book their Holofes 3D studio time, late, in a slot that overlaps each other, it physically doesn't work, and the event has to be cancelled or talents get cut. This is why management exists, to ensure those kind of scenarios are avoided. Or just trust me on it. Inefficiency does exist but it's not always bloat.

Yes and cover has a japense guy(probably a couple of women) already doing time management for the studios. Cover already has a marketing and promotional team in japan that deals with marketing and product colabs. Which they completely capable of doing worldwide activities. Why hire other marketing and promotional teams for other countries when those teams are still going to have to go through japan's leadership anyways? Why have to go through a bunch of tax and legal bull shit to hire those guys? Why does risu have to ask a guy so he can ask another guy who will end up having to ask a third guy to sign off on off some kind of razzle dazzle stream she wants to do?

To me this merger just sounds like it's getting rid a bunch of extraneous expenses.

>>114700000
praise the repeating digits

>>114706298
The answers are so obvious I struggle to understand how you're even asking them. What about time zones and language barriers for example? What would some random JP intern know about marketing in New York or California? What about collabing with non-Japanese producers in those countries?
>well it makes me mad it's complicated to operate foreign branches
Ok, new plan. Everyone moves to Japan and speaks Japanese, no need for foreign branches, we fire all the talent that makes overseas expansion complicated. Voila! No more bloat. Was that your idea?

>>114706267
Calli is happy the changes that have been made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNC3ueDsxBU

>>114706467
Hey, now you're getting it!

>>114706467
i don't think the talent managers are unpaid interns.
they are likely capable enough to at least know someone that can solve those issues. there's a lot of money on the line and they aren't trusting a minimum wage retard to handle it. we live in a digital age where none of those things need actual physical presence in another country to handle.
and we don't know if they are even shuttering the physical offices in the other countries.

>>114699990
whats wrong with nerissa?

>NijiEn won in the end.
What a timeline.

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>>114699741
>fans
Someone needs to tell her who the shitposters are

>>114706678
> and we don't know if they are even shuttering the physical offices in the other countries.
Exactly. It’s all a speculation at this point and if en or id were as successful as schizos claim why would they imagine a company will cut them out? Cover already got bombarded at the stonk meeting about graduates and promised to do their best to keep their talents from leaving. Why would they merge if it meant two branches worth of talents would graduate from it?

It could even mean they now will put more direct management in en and id and won’t treat them as branches. Who knows at this point?

>>114706467
>What would some random JP intern know about marketing in New York or California? What about collabing with non-Japanese producers in those countries?
Cover is big enough now to hire someone talented for marketing. 5 of the 15 highest grossing media franchises in the world are Japanese with number one being Japanese. They also have the biggest car company in the world. No cover isn't going to get toyota's marketing team but Japanese know how to sell and market shit to the world.

>>114699741
Management dog has bark but no bite

>having your department downsized is a good thing, actually
You can tell who has never worked a real job here.

>>114707462
>You can tell I have never ran a company

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It's good and Fubuki is right here

>>114707684
You keep that cute blue amphibian out of this

>>114700286
It is much reduced from its 2020 hayday, blame the shriveling up and lack of EN pandering by JP members. Pull up any JP stream, even the likes of Korone or Lui, and you will maybe see 1-2 english comments every 3 minutes.

And always grey names.

>>114700286
It is extremely low nowadays but at its peak you had some members like Towa and Aki had 30-40% overseas fanbase.

>>114699741
Fubuki the Dead Canary

>no more EN talents
Why is this a bad thing again?

>>114699741
>"Personally I didn't find anything worrying about the merger. I was like "ah, naruhodo."
Almost as if her branch wasn't dissolved? Of course she wouldn't care since it doesn't affect her. Japs are so selfish lol

>>114700382
Prove it. Prove to me it’s a nothing burger. You can’t. You literally can’t.

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>>114701429
I miss Koro's daily gaming streams and frequent marathons so much, nowadays it feels like she's always busy with corpo/sponsor/idol work or taking care of family stuff and constantly taking breaks. My sole opinion about the merger is that it's the culmination of a series of corporate and investor-driven decisions that only happened to make the shareholders happy, and I have accepted a long time ago that me, the vtuber watcher who enjoys gaming streams, has become the minuscule minority under idolfags who don't hesitate to open their wallets to spend an overpriced concert ticket, a minute to speak with their oshi, or an akasupa because Ayame managed to get out of bed this morning.

>>114700243
is it even luck though? Fubuki, Mori, and Kaela are basically untouchable after Yagoo said he'd leave them in charge of Hololive when asked

>>114702067
>Tell me, if you start taking away that base, the thing at the start of all of it, do you really think the rest of the blocks built on this tower are gonna stay up?
unironically yes, yes it will
history's shown that to be the case with many, many brands

>>114708198
>Missing Korosan
>Doesn't know about her personal complications
That's why they abandon tourists like you

>>114702962
>>114703126
It's like if your girlfriend got a tattoo, changed her hair color and got a breast reduction.
SURE, she is the SAME girl with the SAME personality as she always has had but the visual/physical appeal is gone. And sometimes that is all that is holding together the relationship.

Humans be shallow yo

>>114699976
I rike

>>114703033
I actually used to do this but for eroge
But she stopped doing eroge because she's a big name anime seiyuu now ;_;

>>114708287
Basically yeah. Zombies can shamble along for decades. But I won't.

>>114699741
>>"It's going to feel very equal, that's what I think."
does that apply to the remaining boys? lol

>>114699741
>corporate shill SHOCKED by criticism
wow no way holy fug

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>>114699741
>"It's not like those who stream in English for English speakers will stop doing so.
Compare Bae's EN:JP stream ratio before/after she moved to Japan.
And you can't say it's a timezone issue because Australia's a whole 1 hour ahead of Japan.

soooooooo
are the new gens gonna be a mix of jp, id and en? also do you anons think that they will be ''forced'' to speak jap and move to nihon as par of their contract?

>>114708764
How much is even up to the talents?
This is where Cover's NDA work against its purpose. You can't trust anything that's said openly, because it's not really allowed in the first place.

CC speed run graduation no JP lessons 100% lets gooooo!

>>114708939
This tbdesu

>>114708578
Nah, not that.
Once a brand shifts from it's niche to merch, they quite literally don't need to go back.
Hell, look at Pokemon for a fantastic example. They completely gut the games and release absolute trash every few years when they remember it, but the power of the merchandising and brand recognition carries it to the point where the games just don't matter anymore beyond throwing in some new toy designs to sell.

>>114708799
>How much is even up to the talents?
the language? probably most of it
they are encouraged to pander to nips during certain periods or whenever they've got merch to sell, they're good customers outside of SCs, but in the end the final call should be on the girl

>>114707233
>Why would they merge if it meant two branches worth of talents would graduate from it?
This is the company that spent millions on holoearth...

>>114699976
Unironically, yes, ENsharts had it coming.

Funny thing is JOPs think Yagoo has merged all the branches in order to save ID from getting Holostar treatment.

>>114709189
All the melting down on this board only for that to be the case does sound characteristic of this board

So they killed all the international progress, they went back to square 1, losing good and cute EN girls along the way, just because old jap men don't understand the west and muh market and shares.
The japs love to do this shit, every fucking time, worse than moot selling out 4chan.

>>114709349
>losing good and cute EN girls along the way
who? the only ones i can think of that qualify as such already live in japan and dont mind the changes all that much

>>114709189
Japanese are famously very retarded

Cover doesn't do this to prevent graduations, but to prevent high earners from having too much leverage over their own graduation. By making the chain of command flat, they have more control over which resources are allocated to whom. That's why only shitters complain. They don't have a free pass anymore.
Keep in mind that Kiara used to have more merch slots than everyone else in HoloEN until this year. Let that sink in for a bit.

>>114701950
>It's probably just a way to eliminate support on the lesser popular ENs and IDs. Basically a less severe version of the homostar treatment.

I could see it. This is definitely not going to help CC, ERB and Shiori. Biboo may also be affected since she's not exactly Gura 2.0 yet.

>>114702054
I'm wondering why Nerissa is so excited this.
But to be fair, none of the ENs are close to Mori, Kobo and Gura in terms of popularity & sub count. Biboo is not even a million yet

>>114702066
>middle management bloat is eliminated by consolidating separate branches
Foolish summer child.

>>114702957
Won yet still irrelevant, no one cares about Elira or Millie.
Despite this merger, the holos remain holos. Hell, an idol IRyS is even more relevant now because of her superior nihongo. The only real bummer is no more EN and ID concerts, but we got a recession coming up.

>>114710103
They are still around. That's all that matters. HoloEN got killed off to cut cost which means they make even less money than NijiEN

>>114708795
There will not be mixed gens
Every new unit will just be JP now

>>114710247
Retardrd thinking - HoloEN is more profitable than NijiEN, but Yagoo is prudent. He knows its better to save costs due to the coming recession.
Riku keeping NijiEN because of his accelerate policy. I bet you can't name the latest Niji wave nor state anything uniquely interesting about them

>>114709465
Any future debuts, since now there won't be any.

>>114710323
Name ONE gpod indie english vtuber. ONE, that you think should be in Holo, and who was not in a previous corpo.
I wpuld say Kou Mariya, but she was attached to v4mirai.

>inb4 Mini
Anycolor might never allow Luna 2.0 to happen

>>114710378
Nimi

>>114710390
Nimi was Fauna you RETARD.
See, you can't name one.

>>114710378
I don't fucking know, retard. Indies are all irrelevant. I didn't know jackshit about Kronii or Bae or Gigi or CC until they showed up in hololive. It's not my job to scout them. It's theirs.

>>114710378
Shondo

>>114710378
I have one and she is very sweet but this sounds like begging with this timing.

>>114710378
Rin Penrose and Victoria Roman seem promising

>>114710415
People knew of the twins before they got scouted. People knew Shiori before she scouted. Hell, Nerissa and Biboo did things. I can even tell you I knew who Kronii was as the person responsible for the creation of fluffy ponies
And I cannot think of a single current indie worthy of Holo status. I want to say Roca Rourin, but she's in Chromashift.

>>114708178
>asking to prove a negative
You are the one who should try to prove that this change will somehow be impactful

>>114710490
>>114710417
>Penrose
Too lefty to be functional in a proper workplace or even be a team player
>Shondo
Hiatus simulator and Mike simulator, that wouldn't go well

>>114710490
Rin Penrose could be a good fit: her current model is quite shit. She'd be ERB 2.0, but the homobeggars do need a bone from time to time

>>114710465
Its a honest question - I do wish I was in Cover but I am an unemployed loser ojisan he is busy playing Guild Wars 2 and fapping to Gura and Biboo. I cannot think of anyone whose as good as those two.

>>114710562
>fapping to Gura and Biboo
pedo alert

>>114710520
>"People"
No one knew or cared. Notice how you didn't mention gigi or CC. There obviously is talent out there we don't know about. Cover just doesn't want that low return on investment because they're in their line go up era and JPs have a better ROI

>>114710545
>She'd be ERB 2.0
As far as I know she doesn't sing, so that would be different from ERB. Rin relies on her quirky sense of British humor.

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>>114700286
Who knows, but Mori sure doesn't have many of either since she brought in less viewers to Koyo's baseball stream than Ririka did, Ririka is a bigger draw than Mori is in JP, Ririka!

>>114710577
>virtue signalling about anime women

Wow... how about you focus that effort to the actual child trafficking in your SEA country instead of crying over fiction

>>114710605
I meant in terms of homobegging and male collabs, but point there. Rin had a very strong shorts game, and Cover is going all in on shorts

>>114710607
do mori or her fanbase care about boreball? thats the important question

>>114710584
Gigi was a horse. I do think she had stayed a horse but she fid very well to be in two corpos.
CC was in Shondo's circle, a reason why some /vt/ anons called Shondo a kingmaker.
Again, if that talent exists out there, it would be a name we have heard of. The fact that Holo is focusing on a new JP gen with a quirky JP comedy name is a clear sign it will not be a mixed language

>wtf is quirky JP comedy
Watch any Super Sentai or Kamen Rider episode and you will know why Power Rangers is the way it is. A series like Donbrothers could never ever be adapted to Power Rangers. Thats how alienating Japanese humour is.

>>114710378
Raki Kazuki (former PixelLink). Yes, I know you said "who was not in a previous corpo" but I don't see what the point of that was

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>>114710686
probably not cause they didn't show up for her world cup watchalongs either, meanwhile people definitely showed up for Kiara.

>>114710584
NTA but yes, people.
I think the only EN members that I didn't know anything about or watched before they joined hololive were Mumei, Sana, Bae, Biboo and Ina, the rest were fairly well known to an extent.
Had the majority of members not been fairly well known people we wouldn't have had the massive waves of shitposting and doxing the moment people found out who they were because nobody would fucking care.

>>114710295
>HoloEN is more profitable than
If it was profitable, then why did it disappear?

>>114710417
>Shondo
She'd go on hiatus a month into joining and then have a meltdown that results in her getting terminated.

>>114710295
>I bet you can't name the latest Niji wave nor state anything uniquely interesting about them
They're a male music duo who are classically trained musicians.

>>114710762
Kiara has a large Euro fanbase, Euros love soccer. Mori has twitter bots who talk about her and give her thousands of likes, but don't watch her.

>>114710850
Holy fuck READ

>>114710762
Kiara had already established herself two years before with Euro 24 watchalongs.

People who think this will make managing the EN, ID branch more efficient don't know how short-sighted and shitty Japanese management can be with regards to catering to non-Japanese markets.

>>114699976
>breaking dimensions and serendipity will never happen again, because japs must now be included
but jps were literally included in those events as well?

>>114710697
>Japanese humour
as long as its not manzai I can digest it, still im not a fan jap humour

>>114710950
lmao you think the guy can even afford to watch the concerts?

>>114710950
Shitposters like him don't actually watch events, they are here just to drum up drama over nothing.

>>114710878
Yet you can't name them.
Also
>male
Hard pass

>>114699741
Based foobs with the TRVKE

This new unit and mekpark should clue you in what the new direction is, they want a pipeline to regularly churn out smaller units to pad out their gacha and card game roster. That's why you don't need separate branches anymore it doesn't matter what language they speak or if anyone watches their streams they just want as big character pool as possible for their multimedia franchise

>>114699741
I like how this is now a locked topic at reddit
Holo mods over there are not capable of handling the backlash

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>>114711767
>"The point is, Ms. Takanashi,... that you are under a misconception that we are an Idol company. We are not. What we are, really, is a gacha company. And you are not our most valuable asset. That would be our gacha card game. Which you, womanchild that you are, released into the wild."

>>114711767
This was discussed officially.
https://finance.logmi.jp/en/articles/385775
>VTubers have often been viewed as live, constantly evolving entertainment that is difficult to develop into enduring IP
That's for sure the "problem" they're trying to solve

>>114709189
i mean they're not wrong! ID is just one investor question away from getting axed. consolidating them into one hololive would shield their numbers from prying investor eyes

>>114712211
>protecting the branch in ID
>protecting the ID talents in Hololive
Are you sure this will be easier? Foreign staff obviously just lost any branch protection they might have had

>>114712265
at least investors wont have any power to downsize ID now because if they try in the current setup it also means Peko and Miko would get downsized too because everyone are branchmates now!

>>114712339
I don't see how that makes sense. It's more likely "JP" could reallocate resources to 1st army which used to be marked for ID. That's one of the effects of centralization. If ID had that kind of influence, it's unlikely they would have been downsized organizationally in the first place.
>what about overseas expansion
Maybe they want 1st army to be the real core of their overseas expansion, and not the branch members? This change would make sense if they were clearing the runway

>>114699741
She's just happy that she can now show up at Biboo's house without a mane-chan stopping her anymore

>>114700199
genuine question

do you think all of EN should be forced to do concerts every year if they don't want to?

do you think the people who want to do concerts won't get the opportunity to do them?

>>114699741
Fubuki is pure

>>114699741
>homobegeggar twitter trannies looking for a new angle
>fans

>>114699741
Next move is the mixed gaming gen and then merging holostars with hololive.

>>114702373
>Like the stars, they no longer have managers, no longer have access to budget or resources or studio time and are expected to either lapse their contract and graduate or coast as forgotten periphery streamers.

Where the hell did you get any of this from?

I just want to remind everyone that they started paying for less and less of the travel that talents outside of Japan have to make. The entire point of this is to try and force talents not in Japan to move to Japan by crushing the support outside of Japan. You can see this as a good or bad thing, but there's likely other consiquences that come from the merger than just fucking over talents abroad, given people like Bae and IRyS are cautious about it.

>>114712972
I wonder how long this has been going on for. It makes me ask questions about how they saw Gura.

>>114712972
They pay what they need to. travel and hotel stay. sorry they don't get first class, hilton and a free tour.

>>114712995
>Gura
lmao, you faggots still talk about that grifter?

>>114713031
>This post was written by Hololive (JP)

>>114712972
Also with Japan changing Visa requirements once they're in Japan they have a hard time leaving the company and staying in Japan

>>114700133
sounds like nothing will change then. those western bitches are just having a woman moment